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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:28:24 -0500 Method: Mail From: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> To: kdriscoll@thermafiber.com File: old_photos.zip Action: clean failed - deleted Virus: WORM_NETSKY.P From esoriano@lsub.org Thu Jul 1 17:00:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 01:34:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 63ce5098_cab3_11d8_8ce2_00304828b574_6151; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:34:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C2334515B for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:34:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 639722bc_cab3_11d8_9766_00304828b574_6148; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:34:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 742667580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:34:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240567580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:34:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 634e109a_cab3_11d8_9034_00304828b574_6145; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:34:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C2634515B for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 629551c2_cab3_11d8_8bf9_00304828b574_6142; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA1D21A11E for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D06619BC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23108-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5759719B0A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ronin.dat.escet.urjc.es ([193.147.71.93]) by aquamar; Wed Jun 30 18:34:12 MDT 2004 X-warning: suspect envelope domain X-warning: suspect From: domain From: Enrique Soriano Salvador To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Laboratorio de Sistemas, URJC Message-Id: <1088613091.12879.269.camel@ronin.dat.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:31:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] drawterm-macosx problem... X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: esoriano@lsub.org, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I cannot connect to a cpu server from MacOsX using drawterm. I am using the binary downloaded from (with SSL support): http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/ When I type my username, the term says: "not a local console; won't ask for password" It's extrange, because the drawterm is being executed in the same machine (my laptop). I have sniffed the network, and the CPU server is responding: unsupported auth method cpu: bad auth method: '/dev/draw' does not exist. Note that drawterm (the one with SSL downloaded from the same site) in a linux box ( that is in the same subnet) connects to the CPU server without problems. Any idea? Thanks. Q pd: wow!! two mails about macs the same day!! sure you hate me!! :D From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Thu Jul 1 17:00:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 02:13:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c7e73cc0_cab8_11d8_9226_00304828b574_9928; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:13:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154F9344B68 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 02:13:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c7b671ee_cab8_11d8_8de4_00304828b574_9925; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:13:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E9F437580FB; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 02:13:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5F77580FA for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 02:13:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c773ff58_cab8_11d8_999e_00304828b574_9922; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:13:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B007B344B68 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 02:13:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c6c71dce_cab8_11d8_91da_00304828b574_9916; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:13:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C35071A0FB for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:13:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38CD11A0CC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00903-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail68.messagelabs.com (mail68.messagelabs.com [193.109.255.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9CE8219F02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:12:55 -0400 (EDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: steve@snellwilcox.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-68.messagelabs.com!1088615573!8434413 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.173.15.4] Received: (qmail 18441 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 17:12:53 -0000 Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (195.173.15.4) by server-12.tower-68.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 17:12:53 -0000 Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:12:54 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5UHFsEr026660 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:15:55 +0100 Message-ID: <769b58520aa9ebe0aec7e645f4dae8bc@snellwilcox.com> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:12:52 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] cifs guinea pig wanted X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, My cifs client does most of the things I want. It works in my enviroment (win2k/Xp/W95/NT4/Samba) though I am pretty sure I have broken NetApp support along the way. Anyone out there care to be a beta tester? -Steve From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jul 1 17:00:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 03:16:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9e913ff2_cac1_11d8_9ef8_00304828b574_30414; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 03:16:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAE13442BC for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:16:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d7ace9e_cac1_11d8_898d_00304828b574_30403; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 03:16:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 791647580FC; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:16:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D749D7580FA for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:16:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c64c992_cac1_11d8_9d14_00304828b574_30392; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 03:16:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9FD3442BC for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:11:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea6365c8_cac0_11d8_9786_00304828b574_25078; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 03:11:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6A0619BBF for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:11:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6CA919B37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04929-01-83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5256419AC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <29704ef8a935e277a66c309709087473@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cifs guinea pig wanted From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:11:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <769b58520aa9ebe0aec7e645f4dae8bc@snellwilcox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pabnlihwyhhkhzgsubxlwyuibd" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pabnlihwyhhkhzgsubxlwyuibd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put somewhere for me to download. BTW, we're using aquarela right now and it seems to work well enough for us. --upas-pabnlihwyhhkhzgsubxlwyuibd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Wed Jun 30 19:13:05 MDT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A52B1A0D4 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:13:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38CD11A0CC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00903-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail68.messagelabs.com (mail68.messagelabs.com [193.109.255.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9CE8219F02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:12:55 -0400 (EDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: steve@snellwilcox.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-68.messagelabs.com!1088615573!8434413 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.173.15.4] Received: (qmail 18441 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 17:12:53 -0000 Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (195.173.15.4) by server-12.tower-68.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 17:12:53 -0000 Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:12:54 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5UHFsEr026660 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:15:55 +0100 Message-ID: <769b58520aa9ebe0aec7e645f4dae8bc@snellwilcox.com> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:12:52 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] cifs guinea pig wanted X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu Hi, My cifs client does most of the things I want. It works in my enviroment (win2k/Xp/W95/NT4/Samba) though I am pretty sure I have broken NetApp support along the way. Anyone out there care to be a beta tester? -Steve --upas-pabnlihwyhhkhzgsubxlwyuibd-- From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 1 17:00:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 05:59:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f745a4e_cad8_11d8_80c6_00304828b574_13201; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 05:59:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8A13442BE for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:59:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f37492e_cad8_11d8_97fa_00304828b574_13196; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 05:59:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E2E34758100; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:59:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A1C7580FD for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:59:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ce5bd72_cad8_11d8_852d_00304828b574_13165; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 05:59:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9530F3450DA for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:41:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dbe7ea4a_cad5_11d8_9570_00304828b574_25992; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 05:41:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C7C11A125 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:41:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9FD919BB4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03297-01-90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C7B519AE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.24]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F37A467301; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:40:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <02d601c45ee2$4892b310$18587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <1088613091.12879.269.camel@ronin.dat.escet.urjc.es> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm-macosx problem... Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:39:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > When I type my username, the term says: > > "not a local console; won't ask for password" sounds like an old hack that was in passwd(1) to stop idiots changing their password on cpu servers. [allowing this would xmit your passwords(s) in the clear] From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jul 1 17:00:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 05:59:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6fbbfb10_cad8_11d8_9abf_00304828b574_13213; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 05:59:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2B4344768 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:59:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f7dac52_cad8_11d8_8d74_00304828b574_13202; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 05:59:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BDB95758109; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:59:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AC675810B for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:59:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6d03243e_cad8_11d8_89a5_00304828b574_13166; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 05:59:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA023442BE for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:45:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 737e8b84_cad6_11d8_9c8c_00304828b574_30090; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 05:45:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09C901A14D for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:45:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A57A19ADB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25683-05-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB87B19C77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2c36282226f2a755976c24c4299ca83a@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm-macosx problem... Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:45:16 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <02d601c45ee2$4892b310$18587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> When I type my username, the term says: >> >> "not a local console; won't ask for password" > > sounds like an old hack that was in passwd(1) to > stop idiots changing their password on cpu servers. > > [allowing this would xmit your passwords(s) in the clear] lunix drawterm checks whether $DISPLAY is 'host:#' or just ':#' and decides whether it should prompt for a password or not. no idea whether there's a difference in OSX andrey From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 1 17:00:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 06:17:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e6fe38da_cada_11d8_810e_00304828b574_27430; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:17:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BD4344F95 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:17:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e6c31642_cada_11d8_9480_00304828b574_27427; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:17:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E73037580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:17:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D75E7580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:17:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e6825648_cada_11d8_86bc_00304828b574_27424; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:17:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1C3344F95 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e5d5f542_cada_11d8_9c40_00304828b574_27421; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:17:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D06BC1A0EE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6C2A19CBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29309-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4BA719B5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.24]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4215D378F7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:17:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <030201c45ee7$55d84670$18587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <85f02f6cb97f9c7eaa11ea22b81d91d2@9netics.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:15:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Whitesmiths: was started by P. J. Plauger (previously of Bell Labs), > had a UNIX workalike (V6, and later V7) called Idris, which didn't > require hardware MMU. They had a line of nice C compilers for > a number of processors (starting with z-80 i think). Got sold to > Intermetrics. yes, Whitesmiths had a good reputation. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 1 17:00:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 06:19:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21bf65f2_cadb_11d8_9009_00304828b574_28902; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AA3344FD6 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:19:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21888500_cadb_11d8_95b3_00304828b574_28896; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:19:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8FC297580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:19:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441F07580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:19:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 214bc99e_cadb_11d8_8bb0_00304828b574_28862; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:19:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5148C344FD6 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:19:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 209d8190_cadb_11d8_9847_00304828b574_28791; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:19:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88CFB1A123 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:19:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE81219B5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26594-01-93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98FAA19CBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.24]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 36BA037959 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <030601c45ee7$90bdca30$18587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <0d89a9ba82835a948760df05b10d9227@hamnavoe.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:16:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > Amdahl: made IBM 360/370 plug compatible (clone); > > Was bought by Fujitsu (I think?) I can't recall what UNIX variant > > they had for it, or who did the work. This wasn't the MERT stuff, was it? weren't fujitsu sued because that had stolen trade secrets from IBM? From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 1 17:00:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 06:25:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fdbb6312_cadb_11d8_8f36_00304828b574_1033; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:25:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4EF345123 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fd897ab4_cadb_11d8_9963_00304828b574_1030; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A341F7580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:25:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AACB7580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fd4bbc38_cadb_11d8_9b92_00304828b574_1027; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E522345123 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:25:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fca0ae4c_cadb_11d8_8b85_00304828b574_1023; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:25:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2101B1A148 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:25:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B009219E0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29309-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 757C219EF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.24]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B7BB67263 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <030e01c45ee8$6bd2b090$18587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:22:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ... and no fsck. one time an ex-colleague screwed up and used the wrong [new] kernel with an old [not upt to date] RM03 [80mB; our root f/s]. the standalone tools worked-ish, but it took tape, a screwdriver, a 9 track, adb and standalone fsdb. we wasted a lotta 132x60 fanfold paper that night. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 1 17:00:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 06:31:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d88cae2e_cadc_11d8_9925_00304828b574_5954; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:31:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B77345178 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d85afee2_cadc_11d8_8f29_00304828b574_5951; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BBDCE7580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:31:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C217580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d81a8fb0_cadc_11d8_9353_00304828b574_5948; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85273345178 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:31:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d76e9d0e_cadc_11d8_8822_00304828b574_5945; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:31:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF6E71A137 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:31:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D66919E0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26124-03-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96A7A19B6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.24]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 697D16717C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:31:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <031a01c45ee9$481ae6d0$18587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <85f02f6cb97f9c7eaa11ea22b81d91d2@9netics.com> <20040630183542.3f8f912f@dhcppc1> Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:29:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > in the absence of a real OS fork() with open FD 0 1 2 state, eunice beat > the hell out of the VMS alternatives for many things. I never liked > 'mailboxes' which was their IPC model. story goes that sydney uni comp sci [basser] has the choice between VMS and unix. all those in the know wanted unix (some of 'em ex-UNSW) and so a 60 user benchmark was run on an 11/780. iirc, VMS swapped all over itself, smashing the 'system' pack. unix didn't. so basser got to run unix. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 1 17:00:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 06:36:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 93b9bcdc_cadd_11d8_898c_00304828b574_9852; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:36:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDC934519F for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:36:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9386d0ec_cadd_11d8_814e_00304828b574_9849; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:36:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C0A7F7580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:36:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751A67580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:36:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9344a2b2_cadd_11d8_8e0b_00304828b574_9845; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:36:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8665E3451A8 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:36:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92980520_cadd_11d8_9c0a_00304828b574_9837; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:36:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF1051A163 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:36:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0264B19ECD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10003-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9231119E8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.24]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 666BA378DC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <035c01c45eea$01378330$18587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:34:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The Wollongong Group was a California company set up initially to > market the Interdata port of 7th edition Unix which had been done at > the University of Wollongong, Australia - hence the name. that sounds right. strange that i've heard of them and 'the gong' being close to sydney but then they evaporated. wasn't the Interdata a 'strange' m/c? maltby would probably know. 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Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.81.73 with SMTP id e73mr10942rnb; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c06204063019121619b641@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:12:12 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] cifs guinea pig wanted In-Reply-To: <000601c45eff$45140d70$d1fa7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <769b58520aa9ebe0aec7e645f4dae8bc@snellwilcox.com> <40E3542F.5030104@ajft.org> <000601c45eff$45140d70$d1fa7d50@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 02:06:28 +0200, boyd, rounin wrote: > is propagating that garbage a good idea? Is it propagation of CIFS or supplantation of Samba and Windows Server? -Jack From knapjack@gmail.com Thu Jul 1 17:01:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 11:23:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 97b02664_cb05_11d8_8bf6_00304828b574_3434; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:23:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE5F344584 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:23:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 96e64f2e_cb05_11d8_8361_00304828b574_3356; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:23:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7AF67758109; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:23:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD03C7580FD for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:23:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 943236ee_cb05_11d8_95fc_00304828b574_3029; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:23:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B8E34491B for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:16:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a77f53fe_cb04_11d8_8997_00304828b574_28559; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:16:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24C261A12E for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:16:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7C9919D2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16096-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9191F19CC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so479041rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.51 with SMTP id e51mr10056rng; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c06204063019165e9c7b39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:16:08 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Greylisting X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Anyone here experimenting with greylisting? http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/whitepaper.html -Jack From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jul 1 17:01:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 11:31:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7b2cdf8_cb06_11d8_8ff5_00304828b574_12843; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:31:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D10634425F for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:31:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b772935a_cb06_11d8_8043_00304828b574_12822; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:31:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0F682758107; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:31:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A1975810F for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:31:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2093090_cb06_11d8_9177_00304828b574_12147; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:31:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4AA34503B for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:23:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b6162ba8_cb05_11d8_9d85_00304828b574_4060; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:24:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10B181A181 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:23:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CDBF1A0FA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20740-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CD5019E3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Greylisting Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:23:37 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204063019165e9c7b39@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Anyone here experimenting with greylisting? > Geoff is. it's already included in p9's smtpd: http://lists.cse.psu.edu/archives/9fans/2003-November/029402.html From vdharani@infernopark.com Thu Jul 1 17:01:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 12:48:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 95a3ef66_cb11_11d8_999d_00304828b574_16953; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:48:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FC8344568 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:48:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9550cbba_cb11_11d8_9ca0_00304828b574_16949; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:48:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 45FC4758103; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:48:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEE57580FE for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92eb4044_cb11_11d8_9e5b_00304828b574_16922; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:48:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E0C34492E for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f67ee1e_cb10_11d8_9cb2_00304828b574_9080; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AB821A111 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:41:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A59C19C7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23787-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C81E19B64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i618n3am008545 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:49:03 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:49:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32807.67.85.61.176.1088671743.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <769b58520aa9ebe0aec7e645f4dae8bc@snellwilcox.com> References: <769b58520aa9ebe0aec7e645f4dae8bc@snellwilcox.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 03:49:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] cifs guinea pig wanted From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, > My cifs client does most of the things I want. > > It works in my enviroment (win2k/Xp/W95/NT4/Samba) > though I am pretty sure I have broken NetApp support > along the way. > > Anyone out there care to be a beta tester? I am interested. Please give me more details. Thanks dharani From geoff@collyer.net Thu Jul 1 17:01:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 12:58:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1dbfec2_cb12_11d8_916c_00304828b574_26687; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:58:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCA6344A66 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:58:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1a8f978_cb12_11d8_90e2_00304828b574_26682; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:58:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 35D5C7580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:58:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30217580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:58:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e16c676a_cb12_11d8_9b79_00304828b574_26677; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:58:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025A8344A66 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:58:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0c10c1c_cb12_11d8_98d6_00304828b574_26673; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:58:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA0951A111 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:58:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F5D7199DE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09355-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 58C0C19DB4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <927fb5452b4655606d7ee06a84f40811@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history From: Geoff Collyer Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:57:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <035c01c45eea$01378330$18587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The Interdata was odd. I first tried to implement my interrupt queuing scheme for changing fixed interrupt priorities (see the Computing Systems paper) on one running Edition VII. The machine maintained a queue of pending interrupts in main memory. Even with the processor manual and the source code to Edition VII, I couldn't get it to do what I wanted correctly. I suspect that there was something very subtle and not quite documented about the machine. (I did get my interrupt queuing scheme to work on the AMD 29200, another odd machine.) Steve Johnson has commented (see A Quarter Century of UNIX) that he and dmr tried to get Interdata to fix various bugs that they tripped across in their Unix port, without success. From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Thu Jul 1 17:01:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 13:51:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4bc5e152_cb1a_11d8_815c_00304828b574_7893; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:51:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8F8345D37 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:51:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b8c0cde_cb1a_11d8_80ed_00304828b574_7890; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:51:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 59F157580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:51:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F30D7580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:51:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b506a6c_cb1a_11d8_9c28_00304828b574_7887; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:51:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AF8345D37 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:51:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a9da792_cb1a_11d8_90e6_00304828b574_7884; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:51:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ADA9E1A184 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:51:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C15219C75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09355-02-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8A57819C48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33770 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 04:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 04:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 04:50:53 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i614orF376555; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:50:53 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:50:35 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I encountered a "sys: fp: stack underflow" error in my program. When I change the uint arguments of a2b() to int, the modified program ran successfully. What's wrong with my program? Thanks in advance. ++ program and acid stack trace are attached below ++ % nashi@valinore cat suflow.c #include #include /*{ 8c suflow.c; 8l suflow.8; ./8.out }*/ ulong a2b(uint fr, uint fg, uint fb, uint tr, uint tg, uint tb, double dis) { uchar r, g, b; r = fr + (tr - fr)*dis; g = fg + (tg - fg)*dis; b = fb + (tb - fb)*dis; return (r<<24)+(g<<16)+(b<<8)+0xFF; } void main() { int i; ulong p; for(i=0; i<256; i++) p=a2b(0, 0, 0xFF, 00, 0xFF, 00, 2.0*i/256.0); exits(nil); } % nashi@valinore ./8.out 8.out 1167: suicide: sys: fp: stack underflow fppc=0x1118 status=0x80a1 pc=0x0000118f % nashi@valinore acid 1167 /proc/1167/text:386 plan 9 executable /sys/lib/acid/port /sys/lib/acid/386 acid: stk() At pc:0x0000118f:main+0x46 /usr/nashi/src/test/suflow.c:27 main() /usr/nashi/src/test/suflow.c:21 called from _main+0x31 /sys/src/libc/386/main9.s:16 -- From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jul 1 17:01:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 14:23:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9691ab2_cb1e_11d8_8237_00304828b574_7301; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:23:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6E03449E1 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:23:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c933835c_cb1e_11d8_8b0c_00304828b574_7298; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:23:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2BF6D7580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:23:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66307580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:23:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8fa7a3a_cb1e_11d8_8ffd_00304828b574_7295; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:23:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA4D3449E1 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:23:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8465000_cb1e_11d8_846d_00304828b574_7292; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:23:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD3D01A167 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:23:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80A0919D62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02607-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C3B9B19CEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i615Lw04012870; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:22:30 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <05b7bfa7987a0369c75b542f2d0859fa@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cifs guinea pig wanted Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:20:13 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <769b58520aa9ebe0aec7e645f4dae8bc@snellwilcox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu * I'm posting this rather than replying off list because my previous * attempt to contact Simon failed to deliver. If it works now, I'll * mail him directly in future. > Anyone out there care to be a beta tester? With pleasure. NT4 with SP 6.1 and an oldish SAMBA (I can upgrade, if necessary). ++L From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 2 14:52:31 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 18:15:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22d66ec2_cb3f_11d8_81e0_00304828b574_22628; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:15:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44223442F6 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:15:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 225323aa_cb3f_11d8_902c_00304828b574_22576; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:15:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 509C0758115; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:14:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A56A758100 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:14:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0fb4d752_cb3f_11d8_838c_00304828b574_22011; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:14:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D918134456D for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:54:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a8f9874_cb3c_11d8_91ad_00304828b574_32388; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:54:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D2931A157 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 04:54:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87F0219BBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 04:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08824-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 04:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3817819BA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 04:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7549f198696335dda5fba154f63068af@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:55:37 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-dyigsroshjkswuhohlpglgfdlz" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-dyigsroshjkswuhohlpglgfdlz Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably, you see some comment in a ghostscript program gshtscr.c by Russ (ssearch RSC string). Because now Russ is out. Kenji --upas-dyigsroshjkswuhohlpglgfdlz Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.103.2]) by diabase; Thu Jul 1 13:50:14 JST 2004 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3p2+/3.7W-04061611) with ESMTP id NAA27454 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:51:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 444651A146 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:51:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C15219C75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09355-02-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8A57819C48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33770 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 04:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 04:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 04:50:53 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i614orF376555; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:50:53 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:50:35 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I encountered a "sys: fp: stack underflow" error in my program. When I change the uint arguments of a2b() to int, the modified program ran successfully. What's wrong with my program? Thanks in advance. ++ program and acid stack trace are attached below ++ % nashi@valinore cat suflow.c #include #include /*{ 8c suflow.c; 8l suflow.8; ./8.out }*/ ulong a2b(uint fr, uint fg, uint fb, uint tr, uint tg, uint tb, double dis) { uchar r, g, b; r = fr + (tr - fr)*dis; g = fg + (tg - fg)*dis; b = fb + (tb - fb)*dis; return (r<<24)+(g<<16)+(b<<8)+0xFF; } void main() { int i; ulong p; for(i=0; i<256; i++) p=a2b(0, 0, 0xFF, 00, 0xFF, 00, 2.0*i/256.0); exits(nil); } % nashi@valinore ./8.out 8.out 1167: suicide: sys: fp: stack underflow fppc=0x1118 status=0x80a1 pc=0x0000118f % nashi@valinore acid 1167 /proc/1167/text:386 plan 9 executable /sys/lib/acid/port /sys/lib/acid/386 acid: stk() At pc:0x0000118f:main+0x46 /usr/nashi/src/test/suflow.c:27 main() /usr/nashi/src/test/suflow.c:21 called from _main+0x31 /sys/src/libc/386/main9.s:16 -- --upas-dyigsroshjkswuhohlpglgfdlz-- From esoriano@gsyc.escet.urjc.es Fri Jul 2 14:52:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 18:41:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e5c3bf40_cb42_11d8_86f4_00304828b574_12217; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:41:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97D9344C4D for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:41:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e58c9042_cb42_11d8_81ea_00304828b574_12213; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:41:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8BFF47580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:41:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA97580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:41:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e54781a0_cb42_11d8_89f4_00304828b574_12210; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:41:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482FA344C4D for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:41:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e4984474_cb42_11d8_9b04_00304828b574_12207; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:41:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8CB61A18C for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:41:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8CA419BC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01547-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc064.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42A9219BA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsyc093.dat.escet.urjc.es (gsyc093.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.93]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD86E5C43B2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:42:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm-macosx problem... From: Enrique Soriano To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2c36282226f2a755976c24c4299ca83a@plan9.ucalgary.ca> References: <2c36282226f2a755976c24c4299ca83a@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1088674730.32019.18.camel@ronin.dat.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:38:51 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > >> When I type my username, the term says: > >> > >> "not a local console; won't ask for password" > > > > sounds like an old hack that was in passwd(1) to > > stop idiots changing their password on cpu servers. > > > > [allowing this would xmit your passwords(s) in the clear] > > lunix drawterm checks whether $DISPLAY is 'host:#' or just ':#' and > decides whether it should prompt for a password or not. > > no idea whether there's a difference in OSX > That was the problem... in my MacOSX console $DISPLAY was set to '0:0' If I set it to ':0.0', then drawterm works well. Now I understand why it worked ok on a xterm and not in a mac console... Thanks!!! Q. From steve@quintile.net Fri Jul 2 14:52:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 1 20:24:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f633686_cb51_11d8_82a5_00304828b574_5883; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:24:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316AD3454CC for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:24:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f3151de_cb51_11d8_874e_00304828b574_5880; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:24:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 138417580FA; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:24:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFA87580F9 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:24:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2ef1e580_cb51_11d8_9d00_00304828b574_5877; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:24:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B1A3454CC for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:24:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e3c71d2_cb51_11d8_85fb_00304828b574_5874; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:24:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D5E319E80 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:23:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D05E519BD6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16264-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0BA519BC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2504fb0feb9a5aaa2750f3801f06adb7@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:23:29 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cifs guinea pig wanted In-Reply-To: <000601c45eff$45140d70$d1fa7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have no choice as our Novell servers are about to be replaced with Windows servers. Its a matter of need rather than informed choice. You known when you are really starting to understand CIFS, when you get to the point where you cannot beleive that the designers where that incompetent, and start to wonder if it was deliberatly obfuscated. -Steve From BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu Fri Jul 2 14:52:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 03:00:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7f8766d2_cb88_11d8_9a0e_00304828b574_5060; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:00:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEF2344F59 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:00:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7f537458_cb88_11d8_8fd7_00304828b574_5057; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:00:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CD2EB7580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:00:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EEE7580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:00:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7f10f9c0_cb88_11d8_9eda_00304828b574_5020; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:00:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F07344F59 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:00:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e579322_cb88_11d8_9b8c_00304828b574_4949; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:00:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E13F1A192 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:00:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BF7F19E54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11431-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drax.ntdom.cupdx (drax.cu-portland.edu [65.170.220.179]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DF4D1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vargas.ntdom.cupdx ([65.170.220.154]) by drax.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:59:44 -0700 Received: from cellctl ([10.24.36.24]) by vargas.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:59:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:59:43 -0700 References: AAw4yhBAAAgDAaTsLseeeKUMOBBGyNdf X-Mailer: Groupwise 6.5 Message-ID: <20040701T105943Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> From: Ben Huntsman Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm-macosx problem... To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2004 17:59:44.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[30B8A6B0:01C45F95] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In the past, didn't one have to recompile drawterm to use their servers = instead of Bell Labs'? =20 >>> Enrique Soriano 7/1/2004 2:38:51 AM >>> > >> When I type my username, the term says:=20 > >>=20 > >> "not a local console; won't ask for password" > >=20 > > sounds like an old hack that was in passwd(1) to > > stop idiots changing their password on cpu servers. > >=20 > > [allowing this would xmit your passwords(s) in the clear] >=20 > lunix drawterm checks whether $DISPLAY is 'host:#' or just ':#' and > decides whether it should prompt for a password or not. >=20 > no idea whether there's a difference in OSX >=20 That was the problem... in my MacOSX console $DISPLAY was set to '0:0' If I set it to ':0.0', then drawterm works well. Now I understand why it worked ok on a xterm and not in a mac console... =20 Thanks!!! Q.=20 From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Fri Jul 2 14:52:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 03:35:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6e8f8ff8_cb8d_11d8_9002_00304828b574_1526; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:35:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F9734429B for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:35:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6db36758_cb8d_11d8_9096_00304828b574_1513; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:35:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 951F8758102; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:35:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1F9758100 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:35:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6cc4b018_cb8d_11d8_92e1_00304828b574_1501; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:35:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B45A3442E5 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:34:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c019260_cb8d_11d8_9008_00304828b574_389; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 03:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CA5F19F12 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:34:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16CB719E98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14653-01-92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A47719D0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm-macosx problem... Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:34:09 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <20040701T105943Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > In the past, didn't one have to recompile drawterm to use their servers instead of Bell Labs'? > > the '-c' and '-a' switches are there for that reason :) From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jul 2 14:52:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 04:18:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 762c8ddc_cb93_11d8_9fc5_00304828b574_8872; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 04:18:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C64344F84 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:18:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75f1bf72_cb93_11d8_86c2_00304828b574_8869; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 04:18:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8FA937580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:18:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A037580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:18:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75b5a906_cb93_11d8_9fe0_00304828b574_8866; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 04:18:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44588344F84 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:18:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74f95a4e_cb93_11d8_944a_00304828b574_8863; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 04:18:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A66A1A183 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:18:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C244319EE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22286-02-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6D6519BAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:24:23 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I encountered a "sys: fp: stack underflow" error in my program. looks like a compiler bug. here's a simpler version of the code that does the same thing. who'd've thought that a2b() would generate such convoluted code? what's that comparison for? TEXT a2b+0(SB),0,$12 MOVL tb+4(FP),CX SUBL fb+0(FP),CX MOVL CX,.safe+-4(SP) FMOVL .safe+-4(SP),F0 CMPL CX,$0 JGE ,2(PC) FADDD $(4.29496729600000000e+09),F0 FMULD dis+8(FP),F0 FSTCW ,.safe+-8(SP) MOVW $3967,.safe+-6(SP) FLDCW .safe+-6(SP), FMOVLP F0,.safe+-4(SP) FLDCW .safe+-8(SP), MOVL .safe+-4(SP),AX RET , #include #include int a2b(int fb, uint tb, double dis) { return (tb - fb)*dis; } void main(void) { a2b(1, 0, 65); a2b(1, 0, 66); } From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jul 2 14:52:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 05:34:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 148a3970_cb9e_11d8_8927_00304828b574_11992; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5DE3456B4 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14553392_cb9e_11d8_9f2c_00304828b574_11989; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4B11A7580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:34:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030597580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 141c1cf6_cb9e_11d8_8855_00304828b574_11986; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5B53456B4 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:34:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1366793c_cb9e_11d8_95ce_00304828b574_11983; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:34:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 379FF19D04 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:34:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9249119B64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21745-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC92E19B52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6fc74aace6aaa6d707faa91c25612eb9@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:32:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>convoluted code? what's that comparison for? getting the right answer for unsigned to double conversion. if the integer value is negative, the conversion needs to add 2^32 to adjust it. i haven't looked it up but i imagine that the stcw/ldcw is to set the control word to the right rounding mode for the conversion, because it's in a global machine word not the instruction. the source operand is required to be a memory location. From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jul 2 14:52:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 05:41:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e1fa3b2_cb9f_11d8_9073_00304828b574_18088; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A606345C47 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0de9026c_cb9f_11d8_9b2d_00304828b574_18085; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 050AC7580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:41:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF847580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0dadef56_cb9f_11d8_886e_00304828b574_18082; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CEA345C47 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:41:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0cf93c6e_cb9f_11d8_953a_00304828b574_18079; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E662A19F30 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:41:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56AB419D04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27506-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9B4819D03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.209]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BFA0672DF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:40:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00db01c45fab$63bc7d00$d1fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6fc74aace6aaa6d707faa91c25612eb9@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:38:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > to add 2^32 to adjust it. the shifts looked like an invitation for woe. From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Fri Jul 2 14:52:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 09:36:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d8aae428_cbbf_11d8_90ba_00304828b574_32167; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:36:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9E434571D for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:36:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d878ff08_cbbf_11d8_9ece_00304828b574_32161; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:36:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B10A47580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:36:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649CD7580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:36:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d836bc92_cbbf_11d8_9c7e_00304828b574_32158; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:36:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBA934571D for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d78193bc_cbbf_11d8_812e_00304828b574_32155; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DFD71A169 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:36:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E744619F29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29595-03-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 27EBE19F25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95290 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 00:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 00:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 00:35:53 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i620ZrF427087; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:35:53 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <9d154d11b02f962757dac9074d63087c@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:35:42 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Probably, you see some comment in a ghostscript program > gshtscr.c by Russ (ssearch RSC string). Because now Russ is out. Sorry. I couldn't find the comment in /sys/src/cmd/gs/src/gshtscr.c. I fetched it from sources. Had I looked into wrong one? If it is a compiler bug as Rog and Forsyth mentioned in other mail, I will walk around it by using int-typed arguments for the present and sleep soundly tonight. Thank you, -- Sincerely, YAMANASHI Takeshi From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 2 14:52:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 10:01:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 63857358_cbc3_11d8_912a_00304828b574_20745; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:01:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361D43457D1 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:01:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 634874a8_cbc3_11d8_98d0_00304828b574_20742; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:01:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 25F137580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:01:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F3D7580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:01:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 630afd4e_cbc3_11d8_9c6a_00304828b574_20738; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:01:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76DE3457D1 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:01:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 62505caa_cbc3_11d8_8f57_00304828b574_20735; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:01:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBF1F1A134 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:01:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5185019A33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03112-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC9A019A0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3fa68af7ca1dc086916af4803b114dbe@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:02:47 +0900 In-Reply-To: <9d154d11b02f962757dac9074d63087c@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Sorry. I couldn't find the comment in /sys/src/cmd/gs/src/gshtscr.c. > I fetched it from sources. Had I looked into wrong one? Oh, sorry, RSC was added by me.? It was like this: /* RSC: THIS DOES NOT WORK WITH ken 8c sample = (ht_sample_t) ((value + 1) * max_ht_sample); */ sample = (ht_sample_t) (value * max_ht_sample); sample += max_ht_sample; /* convert from signed to biased */ Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 2 14:52:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 10:03:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 916363e8_cbc3_11d8_923d_00304828b574_21754; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:03:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352F134581B for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:03:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 912d2044_cbc3_11d8_834c_00304828b574_21741; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:03:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1F36B7580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:03:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28807580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:03:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 90c417b6_cbc3_11d8_895b_00304828b574_21704; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:03:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA4F345824 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:03:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8ff25f3c_cbc3_11d8_862c_00304828b574_21608; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:03:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C68F19F25 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:02:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A6B419A33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25646-01-72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D517219A0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:04:03 +0900 In-Reply-To: <3fa68af7ca1dc086916af4803b114dbe@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Oh, sorry, RSC was added by me.? Hmm, interesting try again =E2=98=BA Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 2 14:52:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 10:04:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba843b12_cbc3_11d8_9551_00304828b574_23058; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:04:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3263A345824 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:04:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba4bf1a8_cbc3_11d8_8817_00304828b574_23055; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:04:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1D7067580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:04:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C797A7580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:04:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba10969e_cbc3_11d8_9175_00304828b574_23018; 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Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:05:20 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > =E2=98=BA Once agian, =E3=81=91=E3=82=93=E3=81=98 Kenji From BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu Fri Jul 2 14:52:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 13:21:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 47bed364_cbdf_11d8_937d_00304828b574_11281; 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Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:15:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:15:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Groupwise 6.5 Message-ID: <20040701T211505Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> From: Ben Huntsman To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2004 04:15:08.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[29424A20:01C45FEB] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] bootalphapc X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm working with some of the Alpha sources, and could use a bit of = insight. For starters, the bootloader is called "bootalphapc", as opposed = to "bootalpha", which leaves me wondering, is this only for AlphaPC-style = Alpha systems, or should it work on AlphaServers and the larger systems as = well? =20 Also, is there a technical reason that it must boot from a network, as = opposed to from a CD or floppy? After all, the SRM firmware is fully = capable of booting from such things... Thanks in advance! From geoff@collyer.net Fri Jul 2 14:52:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 13:29:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67f0376c_cbe0_11d8_9d62_00304828b574_18175; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:29:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1302A344A78 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:29:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67b964e4_cbe0_11d8_9189_00304828b574_18172; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:29:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F3FF77580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:29:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2007580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:29:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67807d0a_cbe0_11d8_8ecd_00304828b574_18169; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:29:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A43344A78 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:29:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 66ca6d8a_cbe0_11d8_9152_00304828b574_18166; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:29:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D21321A182 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:29:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41FB619D8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00167-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5941F19D8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5bb09b1aba0c3cd4348972f59e4a6a08@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bootalphapc From: Geoff Collyer Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:29:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20040701T211505Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The Plan 9 port for the AlphaPC is only guaranteed to work on AlphaPC 164s. I have a 164LX and Plan 9 worked on that until some months ago, when interrupts from the PCI bus stopped working. DEC continued its trajectory from the PDP-11 through the VAX to the Alpha of excluding more and more of the sorts of things you'd need to get a machine booted from what it considers to be Architecture and calls them Implementation-specific. Having granted themselves licence, they then went hog-wild and build lots of systems with wildly varying Implementation bits. Andrey made a quick attempt at getting the AlphaPC port to run on an Alphaserver. It didn't work, didn't look easy to make work, and he couldn't devote much time to it. The Plan 9 alphapc boot code uses the SRM firmware for the actual I/O, which may be why it's so slow. If you're willing to write the code, it ought to be possible to boot from other devices. Getting documentation on the firmware is likely to be the tricky part. From ggm@apnic.net Fri Jul 2 14:52:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 13:36:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 626177ec_cbe1_11d8_9d54_00304828b574_23844; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:36:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39448344B3E for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:36:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 62283bda_cbe1_11d8_8f32_00304828b574_23840; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:36:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2552A7580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:36:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06A07580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:36:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61ee175c_cbe1_11d8_92d6_00304828b574_23837; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:36:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49A2344B3E for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:36:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61368bf0_cbe1_11d8_9657_00304828b574_23834; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:36:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E13601A14E for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:36:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E5D11A14B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14415-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnic.net (cumin.apnic.net [202.12.29.59]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5767A19D8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnic.net (durian.apnic.net [202.12.29.252]) by apnic.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i624a5pY000850 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:36:05 +1000 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:36:05 +1000 From: George Michaelson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bootalphapc Message-Id: <20040702143605.3cb14e96@garlic> In-Reply-To: <5bb09b1aba0c3cd4348972f59e4a6a08@collyer.net> References: <20040701T211505Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> <5bb09b1aba0c3cd4348972f59e4a6a08@collyer.net> Organization: APNIC Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) X-Fruit-Of-The-Month-Club: persimmon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AP-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100 required=6 X-AP-Spam-Score: -100 (notspam) USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu NetBSD Alpha loyalists are.. well loyal. If there is a frob, they are likely to know about it. It might be hateful, but would booting or boot-strapping via a NetBSD kernel initialization phase maybe be the way to go? You could acquire control of a machine in a tolerably well initialized state that way. I don't mean to imply they know any more than anyone here, more that they do seem to be tenacious, and have squirrelled away a wide variety of the hosts, the proms/srm revisions, tech notes etc. http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/ -George From BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu Fri Jul 2 14:52:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 13:58:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6aaaeb06_cbe4_11d8_9d7b_00304828b574_9741; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:58:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CBF34520A for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:58:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a76f274_cbe4_11d8_84f7_00304828b574_9736; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:58:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8509B7580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:58:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1187580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:58:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a361be6_cbe4_11d8_8a54_00304828b574_9701; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:58:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3964134520A for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:58:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 697aa8a2_cbe4_11d8_8a18_00304828b574_9630; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:58:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BAA21A194 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:58:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E1B01A134 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17171-01-98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drax.ntdom.cupdx (drax.cu-portland.edu [65.170.220.179]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37F3A1A12A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vargas.ntdom.cupdx ([65.170.220.154]) by drax.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:57:49 -0700 Received: from cellctl ([10.24.36.24]) by vargas.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:57:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:57:47 -0700 References: AAQBzhBAAAgDAaTsLseeeKUMOBBGyNdf X-Mailer: Groupwise 6.5 Message-ID: <20040701T215747Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> From: Ben Huntsman Subject: Re: [9fans] bootalphapc To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2004 04:57:49.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FB0E420:01C45FF1] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu My thoughts also. Using the *BSD Alpha bootloader to boot a Plan9 kernel = shouldn't be impossibly difficult. I also did scrounge up a very = excellent piece of documentation on SRM, and even acquired the OSF = Palcode, which may be of assistance. As for Mr. Collyer's post, do you remember what didn't work and/or why for = the AlphaServer port? Thanks again! >>> George Michaelson 7/1/2004 9:36:05 PM >>> NetBSD Alpha loyalists are.. well loyal. If there is a frob, they are = likely to know about it. It might be hateful, but would booting or boot-strapping via a NetBSD = kernel=20 initialization phase maybe be the way to go? You could acquire control of = a=20 machine in a tolerably well initialized state that way. I don't mean to imply they know any more than anyone here, more that they = do seem to be tenacious, and have squirrelled away a wide variety of the = hosts, the proms/srm revisions, tech notes etc. http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/=20 -George From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Fri Jul 2 14:52:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 14:09:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ef766f62_cbe5_11d8_9d41_00304828b574_18660; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:09:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82F93458B9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:09:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ef423e2c_cbe5_11d8_995d_00304828b574_18657; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:09:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D0B397580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:09:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FB97580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:09:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eeef3c7c_cbe5_11d8_8193_00304828b574_18581; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:09:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640273458B9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:09:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee34e4ee_cbe5_11d8_8d21_00304828b574_18506; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:09:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B75521A1A3 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:08:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB9811A152 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04854-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43AD71A134 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <309bcad4365fe447ba24b4475107d5d2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bootalphapc Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:08:26 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <20040701T215747Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > As for Mr. Collyer's post, do you remember what didn't work and/or why for the AlphaServer port? i got the kernel loaded via the usual means (srm+bootp) but could get no interrupts working for the ethernet so i couldn't mount the file server... (i.e. i got it up to 'root is from:') andrey From BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu Fri Jul 2 14:52:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 14:20:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78a8bb18_cbe7_11d8_927d_00304828b574_27415; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:20:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADC43458F6 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:20:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 786bc5d2_cbe7_11d8_8b84_00304828b574_27376; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:20:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6BC7D7580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:20:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197317580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:20:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78250138_cbe7_11d8_81f3_00304828b574_27364; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:20:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0973458F5 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:20:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 77571930_cbe7_11d8_9a7f_00304828b574_27224; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:20:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9839B1A1AC for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:19:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 408C11A166 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02006-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drax.ntdom.cupdx (drax.cu-portland.edu [65.170.220.179]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CD531A157 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vargas.ntdom.cupdx ([65.170.220.154]) by drax.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:19:40 -0700 Received: from cellctl ([10.24.36.24]) by vargas.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:19:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:19:38 -0700 References: AAwBzhBAAAgDAaTsLseeeKUMOBBGyNdf X-Mailer: Groupwise 6.5 Message-ID: <20040701T221938Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> From: Ben Huntsman Subject: Re: [9fans] bootalphapc To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2004 05:19:40.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CDB1230:01C45FF4] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >i got the kernel loaded via the usual means (srm+bootp) but could get >no interrupts working for the ethernet so i couldn't mount the file >server... (i.e. i got it up to 'root is from:') Dumb question, I'm sure, but did you have the EBSDK? I know it contained = netbooting code... From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jul 2 22:46:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 18:40:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc344020_cc0b_11d8_94d2_00304828b574_9031; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:40:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3373442F6 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:40:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dbad92c8_cc0b_11d8_8d65_00304828b574_9016; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:40:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1FDAF7580F9; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:40:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93837758109 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:40:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6b01bd8_cc0b_11d8_896c_00304828b574_8935; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:40:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4F4344C47 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:37:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 73ca02f4_cc0b_11d8_9d76_00304828b574_5647; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:37:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D65D1A21C for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:37:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57BA319F23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02813-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C48AB19F2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <626179c9c80b6b82cfbaa9789a485bac@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:34:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-jknstduvduujhofdsqdvrfxrsd" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-jknstduvduujhofdsqdvrfxrsd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that produced invalid operation when i tried it, not the stack underflow of the previous example. the result won't fit in a signed integer, and unsigned integer isn't supported by the hardware, so you get a trap as documented. in fact, the compiler could and probably should compensate by converting to and from 64-bit signed integers, which would also eliminate the test-and-skip mentioned earlier. i think 64-bit is supported, since it's listed with an opcode, although the textual description then claims `word- or short-integer format' only. it's an Intel handbook. ``beware DEC manuals'' the stack underflow is more likely to be a compiler problem. (stack overflow on the other hand is quite likely to be a missing prototype.) --upas-jknstduvduujhofdsqdvrfxrsd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu Jul 1 20:20:30 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BB201A110 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:18:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C244319EE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22286-02-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6D6519BAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:24:23 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > I encountered a "sys: fp: stack underflow" error in my program. looks like a compiler bug. here's a simpler version of the code that does the same thing. who'd've thought that a2b() would generate such convoluted code? what's that comparison for? TEXT a2b+0(SB),0,$12 MOVL tb+4(FP),CX SUBL fb+0(FP),CX MOVL CX,.safe+-4(SP) FMOVL .safe+-4(SP),F0 CMPL CX,$0 JGE ,2(PC) FADDD $(4.29496729600000000e+09),F0 FMULD dis+8(FP),F0 FSTCW ,.safe+-8(SP) MOVW $3967,.safe+-6(SP) FLDCW .safe+-6(SP), FMOVLP F0,.safe+-4(SP) FLDCW .safe+-8(SP), MOVL .safe+-4(SP),AX RET , #include #include int a2b(int fb, uint tb, double dis) { return (tb - fb)*dis; } void main(void) { a2b(1, 0, 65); a2b(1, 0, 66); } --upas-jknstduvduujhofdsqdvrfxrsd-- From geoff@collyer.net Fri Jul 2 22:47:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 19:26:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39ab8956_cc12_11d8_9130_00304828b574_13542; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:26:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480C0344C5D for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:26:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 397572b2_cc12_11d8_83be_00304828b574_13505; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:26:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 34E837580FA; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:26:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBFB7580F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:26:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 393b23a0_cc12_11d8_8ef6_00304828b574_13502; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:26:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BF8344C5D for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:26:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3882927c_cc12_11d8_8c79_00304828b574_13430; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:26:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8EA01A1C6 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:25:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B501F19F49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10405-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0089D19F15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error From: Geoff Collyer Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:25:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: <626179c9c80b6b82cfbaa9789a485bac@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu `word- or short-integer format' only can't be right, since `word' in intel manuals means 16-bits (even in their 64-bit processor manuals, I imagine), and 32-bit signed integers do work. From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jul 2 22:47:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 2 20:02:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ebcb9c8_cc17_11d8_9b8e_00304828b574_17290; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:02:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D306B34416C for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e5f268c_cc17_11d8_81ce_00304828b574_17283; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5714A75810F; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:02:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3202D758102 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:02:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 489d40ee_cc17_11d8_91dc_00304828b574_17193; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:02:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE81A344331 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:56:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ea21a5e_cc16_11d8_9d1a_00304828b574_9780; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:56:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7E7C1A141 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:56:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0F5D19F8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05181-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7301219D23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <88b41190969914dbec1b2ec70f7b923c@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:53:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-lmxuwxwaeiwtrjycozupqjdlgx" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-lmxuwxwaeiwtrjycozupqjdlgx Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i assumed the list of opcodes and short instruction descriptions was correct, and that indeed, being a manly lot, the floating-point implementers who wrote that section loftily regarded 32-bits as being the bare minimum for a `word', and included decent 64-bits within the term. (hence the reference to `short-integer' for the 16-bit runts.) still, in this case i think the 8.out 708: suicide: sys: fp: stack underflow fppc=0x1118 status=0x80a1 pc=0x0000118f is saying stack underflow only because /sys/src/9/pc/main.c isn't reading the status correctly, unless i'm getting the bits wrong myself compared to the handbook. i think it's `inexact result (precision error)'. 0x40 is set for stack fault; it's checking for (status & 0x30), although perhaps (status & 0x30) == 0 was intended, to avoid masking other faults? the exception flags are sticky. that would be good because i couldn't see the incorrect stacking in the 8c code. --upas-lmxuwxwaeiwtrjycozupqjdlgx Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Fri Jul 2 11:27:51 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 909821A1B2 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:25:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B501F19F49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10405-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0089D19F15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fp: stack underflow error From: Geoff Collyer Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:25:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: <626179c9c80b6b82cfbaa9789a485bac@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu `word- or short-integer format' only can't be right, since `word' in intel manuals means 16-bits (even in their 64-bit processor manuals, I imagine), and 32-bit signed integers do work. --upas-lmxuwxwaeiwtrjycozupqjdlgx-- From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jul 3 07:47:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29075-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A354219CBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1025bb5d8752bfa9aaa46ad147d88b35@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:40:18 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bootalphapc In-Reply-To: <309bcad4365fe447ba24b4475107d5d2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri Jul 2 01:09:06 EDT 2004, mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca wrote: > > > As for Mr. Collyer's post, do you remember what didn't work and/or why for the AlphaServer port? > > i got the kernel loaded via the usual means (srm+bootp) but could get > no interrupts working for the ethernet so i couldn't mount the file > server... (i.e. i got it up to 'root is from:') > > andrey Fixing problems like that is not usually too difficult, by looking at the *BSD code as has been mentioned. Jean Mehat did it recently for one of the Alpha DECstations. There is a wealth of information out there about the hardware and how to make it work. It's a pity the companies who bought the pieces of Digital didn't inherit their attention to documentation. From stevemw@place.org Sat Jul 3 23:12:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 3 16:23:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d2df4d74_ccc1_11d8_8950_00304828b574_27925; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:23:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594EB344332 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:23:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d221ee5a_ccc1_11d8_9ca7_00304828b574_27849; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:23:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 096CF7580FD; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:23:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B02E7580F9 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:23:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1b26058_ccc1_11d8_9acf_00304828b574_27840; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:23:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C059344332 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:18:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1fe4ea94_ccc1_11d8_9999_00304828b574_22417; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AB6D1A20B for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 03:17:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B73EA19A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 03:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20255-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 03:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zachs.place.org (unknown [65.163.18.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BAE519A12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 03:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zachs.place.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D744180E1; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 02:17:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40E65D6D.4050101@place.org> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 00:17:01 -0700 From: Stephen Wynne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] cpuserver: dhcp for authsrv, rio, users, ssh, factotum, pull X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm attempting to setup both a cpuserver and an authserver on one system. I'd like it to be a terminal, too. First, I more or less followed the advice on it at http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Configuring_a_Standalone_CPU_Server while also looking at http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/lanlp9/4e/cpuauth.html This may sound funny, but can I setup a CPU server, auth server, and terminal all on the same system and have it all configure itself dynamically based on a DHCP IP address? Although my system worked just fine from the gnot install defaults, after converting to a cpuserver, I got this: RIO says: aux/vga: mga2164w: can't set mga type rio: can't open display: initdisplpay: /dev/draw/new: no framebuffer init: rc exit status: rc 12: rio 13: display open Adding lines of display setup logic from from termrc didn't help. I am unclear what passwords to assign to secstore and bootes as I'm setting up the authserver for the first time. I'm also unclear what the difference is between bootes and other users I might create after this. Also, SSH fails to connect now that I've rebooted and setup bootes as the terminal "owner" (if that's the right term, pardon my pun). I figure something must be haywire in my authentication (Factotum?). Following instructions at http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/lanlp9/tips.html I figured I should combine both authserver and terminal instructions. I get: cpu% auth/secstore -p /tmp/factotum can't dial tcp!$auth!5356 secstore authentication failed Out of curiosity, I tried to do a pull to update my system. That didn't work, either. I was running as bootes connected through drawterm: cpu% /usr/glenda/bin/rc/pull post... srv tcp!sources.cs.bell-labs.com!9fs: mount failed: authentication failed bind: /n/sources/plan9: '/n/sources/plan9' does not exist servermount: bind 363: bind cpu% 9fs sources srv tcp!sources.cs.bell-labs.com: mount failed: authentication failed I apologize for asking so many questions at once, but there doesn't seem to be a true cookbook recipe posted on just how to do this with all the obvious steps included for mortals like me. One problem I hit was trying to setup fossil by default on this system. There were exceptions to the flow of the normal KFS setup that threw me off and I was in a hurry. I have something else I want to do that I was almost able to do with a plain KFS gnot install, so I'm tempted to just do it over again and get back to that... By the way, can I reboot a system from drawterm and how would I do that? My cpurc is at http://www.place.org/~stevemw/junk/cpurc The ftpfs command is really handy! 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Kindest regards, Tom From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sun Jul 4 06:57:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jul 4 01:38:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ea61f70_cd0f_11d8_8c09_00304828b574_28413; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 01:38:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AD8345522 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 01:38:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e685eba_cd0f_11d8_8787_00304828b574_28410; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 01:38:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D93CA7580FA; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 01:38:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5147580F9 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 01:38:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e2fd234_cd0f_11d8_8983_00304828b574_28373; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 01:38:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2DA345522 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 01:38:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d586056_cd0f_11d8_8578_00304828b574_28300; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 01:38:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6125419FC3 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 12:38:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3E2519B18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 12:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13365-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 12:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6201919AEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 12:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:37:38 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <40E65D6D.4050101@place.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu that's a long one! let's try step by step :) > This may sound funny, but can I setup a CPU server, auth server, > and terminal all on the same system and have it all configure > itself dynamically based on a DHCP IP address? there's no reason why not. the only trick you'll need to take care of is to configure the ndb properly in case the IP address of the machine is constantly changing. it won't be, would it? so, by following the instructions on the wiki you should do something like: - compile 9pcauth - edit /rc/bin/cpurc to dhcp an ip address, start auth/keyfs and start rio for the terminal part. > > Although my system worked just fine from the gnot install defaults, > after converting to a cpuserver, I got this: > > RIO says: aux/vga: mga2164w: can't set mga type > rio: can't open display: initdisplpay: /dev/draw/new: no framebuffer > init: rc exit status: rc 12: rio 13: display open copy the 'vga*' lines from /sys/src/9/pc/pcf to the kernel you're compiling (/sys/src/9/pc/pcauth) cpu server kernels by default have very few graphics cards compiled in. > I am unclear what passwords to assign to secstore and > bootes as I'm setting up the authserver for the first time. > I'm also unclear what the difference is between bootes > and other users I might create after this. > bootes (or any other user you dedicate as the cpu owner) will control the resources on a particular machine. bootes is just a conventional (?) name bell-labs have adopted -- people in other places have chosen other names for the cpu owners, and i myself used to boot under my own user when i had a setup identical to yours (a single machine for everything). if you choose a diffferent name and want users to login edit /lib/ndb/auth appropriately :) when users log in to a Plan 9 installation their passwords are verified by an 'auth/keyfs' on the AUTH server of that particular installation. those are the 'plan9' passwords. on the other hand when a user logs in they may decide to initialize their factotum with passwords from the secstore. secstore is just a convenient storage for secrets (an encrypted file system if you wish) and has no role in the interaction between machines in an installation. you won't need a secstore for your installation to work. check the /sys/doc/auth.ps paper (also on Bell-Labs' site) for more detailed information on the secstore/factotum pair. > Also, SSH fails to connect now that I've rebooted and > setup bootes as the terminal "owner" (if that's the right term, > pardon my pun). I figure something must be haywire > in my authentication (Factotum?). Following instructions at > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/lanlp9/tips.html > I figured I should combine both authserver and terminal > instructions. I get: > > cpu% auth/secstore -p /tmp/factotum > can't dial tcp!$auth!5356 > secstore authentication failed you'll need to have both auth/secstored and auth/factotum started. secstored should be started from /rc/bin/cpurc, you can put 'auth/factotum' in your profile or just start it by hand. also make sure your /lib/ndb/local has an 'auth=' entry for the subnet you're in, here's an example: ipnet=hidden ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 proto=tcp cpu=plan9.ucalgary.ca fs=plan9.ucalgary.ca auth=plan9.ucalgary.ca authdom=plan9.ucalgary.ca dns=136.159.5.14 dns=136.159.5.15 > > Out of curiosity, I tried to do a pull to update my system. > That didn't work, either. I was running as bootes connected > through drawterm: > > cpu% /usr/glenda/bin/rc/pull > post... > srv tcp!sources.cs.bell-labs.com!9fs: mount failed: authentication failed > bind: /n/sources/plan9: '/n/sources/plan9' does not exist > servermount: bind 363: bind > cpu% 9fs sources > srv tcp!sources.cs.bell-labs.com: mount failed: authentication failed that would indicate you have no auth/factotum started. > > I apologize for asking so many questions at once, but there > doesn't seem to be a true cookbook recipe posted on just > how to do this with all the obvious steps included for mortals > like me. it's like riding a bycicle -- once you do it you'll always know how it's done :) you're welcome to write a howto from your perspective (once everything is done) and we'll put it on the wiki :) > By the way, can I reboot a system from drawterm and how would I > do that? echo reboot > /dev/reboot good luck: andrey From stevemw@place.org Sun Jul 4 06:57:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:55:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40E6E4F3.8030306@place.org> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:55:15 -0700 From: Stephen Wynne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Virtual PC + Toshiba Tecra 8100 (SavageMX) vgadb entry and vgainfo.txt X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This works well enough to run the installer. ----------- addition to vgadb ------------ ctlr 0xC000E="VIDEO B" link=vga hwgc=s3hwgc linear=0 ctlr=virge --------------- vgainfo.txt -------------- main->snarf vga->snarf virge->snarf virge->snarf->s3generic Unknown ViRGE/Trio64+ - 0x8810 Trio64+ vga->attr: 0xC000E=VIDEO B vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 03 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 06 40 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga virtual 0 0 vga panning off vga clock[1] f 135000000 vga clock[1] d i m 0 0 - 127 vga clock[1] n p q r 31 0 - 0 3 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 virge->dump virge Crt30 E1 85 00 00 00 00 02 00 - 48 A5 05 5A 10 00 virge Crt40 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF - FC FF FF FF FF FF FF DF virge Crt50 00 00 00 00 38 00 00 00 - C0 F8 00 00 80 00 00 00 virge Crt60 07 00 A1 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 virge hde 280 640 virge shb 288 648 virge ehb 2AA 682 virge ht 320 800 virge vde 190 400 virge vrs 19C 412 virge vre 19E 414 virge vt 1C1 449 virge Crt70 00 00 80 80 80 80 80 80 - 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 - 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 - 80 virge Seq08 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 virge Seq10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 - 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 - 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 - 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 00 virge Crt2D 88 10 00 virge dclk m n r 14318180 0 - 0 0 virge mclk m n r 14318180 0 - 0 0 vmf 0 vmdf 75000000 vf1 135000000 vbw 75000000 using frequency 75000000 rr 69.24 membw 54448777 virge->options vga->init s3hwgc->init s3hwgc->resyncinit on 0x00000800 off 0x00000000 vga->init 0x00000811 virge->init virge->init->s3generic dbdumpmode type=multisync75, size=1024x768x8 frequency=75000000 x=1024 (0x400), y=768 (0x300), z=8 (0x8) ht=1344 (0x540), shb=1096 (0x448), ehb=1232 (0x4D0) shs=1072 (0x430), ehs=1232 (0x4D0) vt=806 (0x326), vrs=771 (0x303), vre=777 (0x309) hsync=45, vsync=45, interlace=0 vga->attr: 0xC000E=VIDEO B vga->dump vga flag Uenhanced|Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc EF vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt A3 7F 88 9A 86 1A324 FD - 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 303 292FF 80 60303304 A3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga virtual 1024 768 vga panning off vga clock[0] f 75000000 vga clock[0] d i m 154968 0 - 113 vga clock[0] n p q r 9 0 - 0 1 vga clock[1] f 135000000 vga clock[1] d i m 0 0 - 127 vga clock[1] n p q r 31 0 - 0 3 vga vm a b 8388608 0 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 virge->dump virge flag Hlinear|Uenhanced|Henhanced|Hpclk2x8|Fdump|Finit|Foptions|Fsnarf virge Crt30 E1 8D 40 20 10 00 02 00 - 48 A5 15 95 00 00 virge Crt40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF - FC FF FF FF FF FF FF DF virge Crt50 00 00 00 00 A8 00 00 00 - 98 00 0A 00 80 00 40 00 virge Crt60 07 00 A1 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 virge Crt70 00 00 80 80 80 80 80 80 - 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 - 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 - 80 virge Seq08 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 virge Seq10 00 00 29 71 00 02 0 From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Sun Jul 4 06:57:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6BD4B42; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:11:40 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9ports cvs Message-ID: <20040703171140.GA15044@mero.morphisms.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 10:48:04AM -0500, Sam wrote: > cvs.pdos.lcs.mit.edu no longer resolves. Try exokernel.lcs.mit.edu. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 6 06:39:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jul 4 07:24:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b28e2224_cd3f_11d8_8e96_00304828b574_13436; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 07:24:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF0B344460 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:24:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2591c64_cd3f_11d8_9fe0_00304828b574_13399; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 07:24:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 299D475810E; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:24:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4DF758109 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:23:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id adf228d2_cd3f_11d8_945c_00304828b574_12921; 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Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:00:20 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] snapshots + DMTMP files X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu running 'check' on my fossil results in many errors of the type: ... error: could not read block in meta file: /snapshot/2004/0702/1500/usr/andrey/tmp[61]: file is not archived error: could not read block in meta file: /snapshot/2004/0702/1500/usr/andrey/tmp[62]: file is not archived ... /usr/andrey/tmp and all files in it are chmod-ed +t.. is this expected behaviour? by the way, is it a good idea to make the DMTMP flag inherited for directory trees? it makes no difference for venti archives (the file won't be reached anyway, right?) but it makes it easier to check whether a particular file deep in the hierarchy is going to be venti-ed or not.. andrey From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jul 6 06:39:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] troff X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+pat=picoworks.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+pat=picoworks.com@cse.psu.edu me getting old and that, i forget what a 3 part title is/was: .tr maybe? -- MGRS 31U DQ 52572 12604 --upas-aumqorcaryacyayoqwqqzugbix-- From barlow@cse.psu.edu Tue Jul 6 06:39:17 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 5 09:33:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 01499692_ce1b_11d8_9b21_00304828b574_24334; 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Thus my response to your e-mail may be slow. Unless you are spamming me, I'll attend to your message regarding "[--SPAM--] 9fans@cse.psu.edu - Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:36:22 -0600" as soon as possible. Best regards. Jesse L. Barlow. _____________________________________________________________________________ Jesse L. Barlow, Professor Office:+1-814-863-1705 Department of Computer Science and Engineering Dept.: +1-814-865-9505 343G IST Building FAX: +1-814-865-3176 The Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA 16802 USA URL:http://www.cse.psu.edu/~barlow E-mail: barlow@cse.psu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stevemw@place.org Tue Jul 6 06:39:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 5 13:17:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3f9a5e8a_ce3a_11d8_8ae9_00304828b574_10656; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:17:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC953444DF for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:17:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3f396260_ce3a_11d8_9d50_00304828b574_10648; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:17:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 619CB7580F9; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:17:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C48758100 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3bf627aa_ce3a_11d8_95e6_00304828b574_10620; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:17:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8CA344901 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:08:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee45419a_ce38_11d8_9847_00304828b574_23443; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:08:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56F9519E89 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:08:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F44E19B5D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02567-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zachs.place.org (unknown [65.163.18.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DC7019C69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zachs.place.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4286618144 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:06:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40E8D3CE.6000802@place.org> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:06:38 -0700 From: Stephen Wynne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: SdV: neuromancer 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=J_CHICKENPOX_34, J_CHICKENPOX_43, J_CHICKENPOX_46, J_CHICKENPOX_54 X-Spam-Level: **** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu andrey mirtchovski wrote: > you won't need a secstore for your installation to work. OK, I guess I don't need it for connecting with drawterm, either. But apparently I need it for SSH and pulling updates. I may also need it for other stuff. I'm running an app that makes a call to auth_getuserpasswd() and it fails now that I've tried to setup securestore; it used to get past that point before. > check the /sys/doc/auth.ps paper (also on Bell-Labs' > site) secstore/factotum pair Well, . Here's where I am now: On my terminal via a drawterm connection (I haven't recompiled for more GUI support yet), I'm following http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/lanlp9/tips.html on setting up secstore. The mkdirs were done before. One small issue, factotum wanted /adm/secstore/store/bootes/factotum/ (I think it was). > on auth server: > > auth/secstored > mkdir /adm/secstore > mkdir /adm/secstore/store > mkdir /adm/secstore/who > auth/secuser dpx > > on terminal: > > touch /tmp/factotum > auth/secstore -p /tmp/factotum > ramfs -p; cd /tmp > auth/secstore -g factotum > secstore password: > echo 'key proto=apop dom=x.com user=dpx \ > !password=y~1' >> factotum > auth/secstore -p factotum > secstore password: > cat factotum > /mnt/factotum/ctl This is where I'm still stuck. > you'll need to have both auth/secstored and > auth/factotum started. I do, but there must be something else wrong. I found one thing: my lib/ndb/local file still had localhost and 127.0.0.1 as the sys'name from my initial fumbling around to get it online. Now I get to the ramfs stage! However, secstore -g complains about /tmp/factotum not existing. If I skip the ramfs step, I see this: cpu% auth/secstore -g factotum secstore password: secstore implausible filesize for factotum secstore cmd failed On the console of the PC, I see "implausible filesize -1 for factotum," but no information about which file is too small. This is what I have in /mnt/factotum: cpu% pwd /mnt/factotum cpu% cat ctl key proto=p9sk1 user=bootes dom=9net !hex? !password? cpu% ls -l -lrw------- M 48 bootes bootes 0 Jul 4 23:46 confirm --rw-r--r-- M 48 bootes bootes 0 Jul 4 23:46 ctl -lr-------- M 48 bootes bootes 0 Jul 4 23:46 log -lrw------- M 48 bootes bootes 0 Jul 4 23:46 needkey --r--r--r-- M 48 bootes bootes 0 Jul 4 23:46 proto --rw-rw-rw- M 48 bootes bootes 0 Jul 4 23:46 rpc > it's like riding a bycicle -- once you do it you'll > always know how it's done :) I'm still trying to bolt on my training wheels, I think. But thanks for your patience! From stevemw@place.org Tue Jul 6 06:39:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 5 13:54:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6627da3c_ce3f_11d8_8284_00304828b574_10804; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:54:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0F4345CBE for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:54:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65cfff9c_ce3f_11d8_9a86_00304828b574_10801; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:54:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3E6A77580FA; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:54:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E639A7580F9 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:54:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 658c9338_ce3f_11d8_97fb_00304828b574_10798; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:54:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01489345CBE for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:54:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 64de62e0_ce3f_11d8_8213_00304828b574_10795; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:54:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9624C19E00 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:54:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29ABB19B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14553-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zachs.place.org (unknown [65.163.18.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAC1C19A88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zachs.place.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA29918144 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:54:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40E8DEDF.7080800@place.org> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:53:51 -0700 From: Stephen Wynne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Virtual PC doesn't see Ethernet X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I see this at bootup: "pcirouting: South bridge FFFF, FFFF not found". Is there an easy way to get the installer to find my NICs or use the "local" or "nat" options? From japcuh@gmail.com Tue Jul 6 06:39:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 5 20:05:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 335fc342_ce73_11d8_864a_00304828b574_30229; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:05:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F970344164 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:05:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 332cc924_ce73_11d8_85e7_00304828b574_30223; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:05:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 31FF37580FA; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:05:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34419758116 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:04:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2608ce1e_ce73_11d8_968b_00304828b574_29228; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:04:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F253444ED for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:51:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 488ce97c_ce71_11d8_91a5_00304828b574_14078; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:51:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F3DF19E21 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:51:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65FB419D8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24423-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1FD4919D3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BhQxh-0001JJ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:44:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:44:12 GMT From: Japcuh Message-ID: <3a8cbb2e.0407021218.207f600c@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ACME on Linux X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a free way that I can set up ACME as a user interface on a Linux machine running XFree86? Japcuh (Just Another Perl C Unix Hacker) http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.htm#what_is .0. ..0 000 From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 6 06:39:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 5 22:10:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a2698c44_ce84_11d8_89bf_00304828b574_8096; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:10:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0018734535A for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:10:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a2373938_ce84_11d8_83b9_00304828b574_8093; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:10:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D64CA7580FA; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:10:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918917580F9 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:10:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a1f98bce_ce84_11d8_8a5b_00304828b574_8056; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:10:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEE134535C for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:10:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a1449296_ce84_11d8_9ebc_00304828b574_7941; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:10:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50BD819E13 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:09:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B82619C5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22644-03-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E2EA19BA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <74913c1199c26375d379918907d78c7b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ACME on Linux Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:09:40 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <3a8cbb2e.0407021218.207f600c@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there a free way that I can set up ACME as a user interface on a > Linux machine running XFree86? > yes, check the archives for plan9port... andrey From stevemw@place.org Tue Jul 6 06:39:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 5 22:22:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67fdf642_ce86_11d8_85e0_00304828b574_17735; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:22:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE556345906 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:22:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67caeafe_ce86_11d8_96dd_00304828b574_17732; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:22:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B21C17580FA; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:22:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533B67580F9 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:22:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6755380e_ce86_11d8_92a7_00304828b574_17729; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:22:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446D2345906 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:22:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 66a9424c_ce86_11d8_8c80_00304828b574_17726; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:22:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CC3519E0D for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:22:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E961719D12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19787-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zachs.place.org (unknown [65.163.18.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78D7D19B04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zachs.place.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697A518144 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:22:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40E95601.50900@place.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 06:22:09 -0700 From: Stephen Wynne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Virtual PC + Toshiba Tecra 8100 (SavageMX) vgadb entry and vgainfo.txt References: <40E6E4F3.8030306@place.org> In-Reply-To: <40E6E4F3.8030306@place.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Interesting quandry: if I attach the plan9.iso to a Virtual PC instance, it can boot it up and run the installer. That kernel can see the NIC, which is evidently emulating a 2114x, but then can't find disk/kfs* commands. I rebuilt 9pcflop.gz from a fresh install on a normal PC but while it can see the NIC when it boots, it can't deal with my VGA controller, which I had hacked around by recognizing VIDEO B, etc... The vgainfo.txt is a lot less informative. Shouldn't 9pcflop.gz be very similar to what I get when I download? I guess I'm building different kernels, but I'm not sure what to do next. I'm curious what will happen once I finally get serious about talking to the outside world with this NIC. I see: #l0: 21140: 0Mbps port 0xEC00 irq 11: 0003FF9A5B41 at boot. I've tried a couple of quick "experiments" (like batting in the dark to you scientists) with the ip/ping command. I've tried NAT and direct connection to the network. It looks like I'll have to have /lib/ndb/local fixed up first. From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Tue Jul 6 06:39:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 00:33:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a87db0e2_ce98_11d8_9d38_00304828b574_7775; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:33:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198063453F2 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:33:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a8470d94_ce98_11d8_8d0d_00304828b574_7772; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:33:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 07C697580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:33:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38957580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:33:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a80ea7f6_ce98_11d8_929e_00304828b574_7769; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:33:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58543453F2 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:33:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a7627e0e_ce98_11d8_8aff_00304828b574_7766; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:33:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D423719E0D for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:33:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8118619AAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05123-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0ADAB19AA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <88e62d5828221da78b137ccf4ffe86cd@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:33:02 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Virtual PC + Toshiba Tecra 8100 (SavageMX) vgadb entry and vgainfo.txt In-Reply-To: <40E6E4F3.8030306@place.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat Jul 3 12:55:52 EDT 2004, stevemw@place.org wrote: > This works well enough to run the installer. > > ----------- addition to vgadb ------------ > ctlr > 0xC000E="VIDEO B" > link=vga > hwgc=s3hwgc linear=0 > ctlr=virge > --------------- vgainfo.txt -------------- > main->snarf > vga->snarf > virge->snarf > virge->snarf->s3generic > Unknown ViRGE/Trio64+ - 0x8810 > Trio64+ > vga->attr: 0xC000E=VIDEO B > ... Which version of VirtualPC are you using? I worked a little on it a few months ago to make it work (I used a Connectix Windows 5.something Free Trial version). 'Unknown ViRGE/Trio64+ - 0x8810' is correct, there is no chip I am aware of with that ID. Fortunately, the code falls through to using the parameters for the chip with ID 8811 in this case. There is an entry for it in /lib/vgadb already: ... 0xC0045="S3 Savage\IX BIOS Ver. 4.02.50 - 39" # IBM Thinkpad T21 0xC000E="VIDEO B" # Connectix Virtual PC link=vga hwgc=s3hwgc ctlr=virge linear=1 ... --jim From stevemw@place.org Tue Jul 6 06:39:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 00:51:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2eddc350_ce9b_11d8_8578_00304828b574_22245; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B951345988 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e83a21c_ce9b_11d8_997b_00304828b574_22242; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2E0C57580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:51:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75337580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e424a06_ce9b_11d8_907d_00304828b574_22239; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA285345988 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:51:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d96b0ce_ce9b_11d8_91c1_00304828b574_22236; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3CDD19C5D for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:51:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E15819AFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25009-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zachs.place.org (unknown [65.163.18.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24B8919AC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zachs.place.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAEC18144 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:51:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40E978D9.2070605@place.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 08:50:49 -0700 From: Stephen Wynne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Virtual PC + Toshiba Tecra 8100 (SavageMX) vgadb entry and vgainfo.txt References: <88e62d5828221da78b137ccf4ffe86cd@plan9.bell-labs.com> In-Reply-To: <88e62d5828221da78b137ccf4ffe86cd@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: >Which version of VirtualPC are you using? > MS Virtual PC 2004 (Build 582) I said linear=0 to make the cursor look right. But I didn't see an entry in there, so I added my own at the very end. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 6 06:39:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 02:24:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a3d637a_cea8_11d8_9dee_00304828b574_16057; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 02:24:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4145D345EB2 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 02:24:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a0b55e2_cea8_11d8_83ec_00304828b574_16053; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 02:24:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 234AA7580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 02:24:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4E27580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 02:24:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29ca2ea0_cea8_11d8_8f49_00304828b574_16050; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 02:24:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36FD345EB2 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 02:24:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28f8a3b2_cea8_11d8_9d87_00304828b574_16047; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 02:24:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BFB7C19D7A for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:24:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E373199E1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01013-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8584D19B0A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:23:55 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <40E8D3CE.6000802@place.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: MessageCare: neuromancer 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=J_CHICKENPOX_43, J_CHICKENPOX_48, J_CHICKENPOX_54 X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > > you won't need a secstore for your installation to work. > > OK, I guess I don't need it for connecting with drawterm, > either. But apparently I need it for SSH and pulling > updates. I may also need it for other stuff. I'm running > an app that makes a call to auth_getuserpasswd() and it > fails now that I've tried to setup securestore; it used to > get past that point before. you don't need secstore for pulling from sources. you don't need it to ssh out from Plan 9, you don't even (necessarily) need it to ssh to the Plan 9 machine (though you'll get a warning for the changed key every time you reinitialize with auth/rsagen, i.e. after a reboot). in fact, secstore can be left as the last thing you setup, after having made sure everything else works -- it's just a (very useful!) convenience. > The mkdirs were done before. One small issue, factotum > wanted /adm/secstore/store/bootes/factotum/ (I think it > was). > > > on auth server: > > > > auth/secstored > > mkdir /adm/secstore > > mkdir /adm/secstore/store > > mkdir /adm/secstore/who > > auth/secuser dpx > > did this succeed? you've read the secstore(1) man page, i presume? it basically explains why the above steps should be taken (and why there should be a chmod 770 somewhere in there too): Secuser is an administrative command that runs on the sec- store machine, normally the authserver, to create new accounts and to change status on existing accounts. It prompts for account information such as password and expira- tion date, writing to /adm/secstore/who/$uid. The /adm/secstore directory should be created mode 770 for the userid or groupid of the secstored process. [...] /adm/secstore/who/$uid secstore account name, expiration date, verifier /adm/secstore/store/$uid/ users' files > > on terminal: > > > > touch /tmp/factotum > > auth/secstore -p /tmp/factotum > > ramfs -p; cd /tmp > > auth/secstore -g factotum > > secstore password: > > echo 'key proto=apop dom=x.com user=dpx \ > > !password=y~1' >> factotum > > auth/secstore -p factotum > > secstore password: > > cat factotum > /mnt/factotum/ctl > > This is where I'm still stuck. so, what do you see (as the user who started secstored) in /adm/secstore? here's a sample from our machines: plan9# ls -l /adm/secstore/store/andrey --rw-rw---- M 4951 bootes bootes 696 Sep 15 2003 /adm/secstore/store/andrey/factotum plan9# you should see a single file (factotum) if you've put it properly. from what you gave above it looks like you're looking for a file named 'factotum' already existing in secstore, however when you initialize a user's secstore there's absolutely nothing in it -- you need to put the files there first. > > Now I get to the ramfs stage! However, secstore -g complains > about /tmp/factotum not existing. If I skip the > ramfs step, I see this: > > cpu% auth/secstore -g factotum > secstore password: > secstore > implausible filesize for factotum > secstore cmd failed > > On the console of the PC, I see "implausible filesize -1 > for factotum," but no information about which file is too > small. > secstore doesn't have any files in it by default, it just encrypts whatever you decide to store in it. usually that is a file suitable for initializing your factotum. it looks like you have a bad file in it, so all you need to do is remove it and store it anew. here's how to do it: % auth/factotum # hit enter on the 'secstore password' prompt % ramfs -p # you may wish to log in to a few places before the next step, # just to make sure you have as many passwords as you can # from the beginning. ssh to one or two machines, just for fun % cat /mnt/factotum/ctl > /tmp/factotum % cd /tmp # edit /tmp/factotum and change all question marks to the actual # passwords you use, for example if /mnt/factotum/ctl has: # key proto=p9sk1 dom=plan9.ca user=somebody !password? # in /tmp/factotum it should appear as: # key proto=p9sk1 dom=plan9.ca user=somebody !password=mypassword % # now simply add this file to the secstore: % auth/secstore -p factotum # and kill the ramfs session (^D) and verify that the new password works by starting a new factotum and attempting to login to one of the machines whose passwords you've added to the factotum file in secstore. if doing it for bootes you may want to add the ssh server key there too (follow the ssh(1) instructions) andrey From eli.collins@gmail.com Tue Jul 6 06:39:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.68 with SMTP id m68mr7746rne; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4dcfaaa704070511036c4e620c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:03:18 -0500 From: Eli Collins To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9ports cvs In-Reply-To: <20040703171140.GA15044@mero.morphisms.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040703171140.GA15044@mero.morphisms.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu an empty password no longer sseems to work... wasabi(1)% cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@exokernel.lcs.mit.edu:/cvs login Logging in to :pserver:anoncvs@exokernel.lcs.mit.edu:2401/cvs CVS password: cvs [login aborted]: connect to exokernel.lcs.mit.edu(18.26.4.85):2401 failed: Connection refused On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:11:40 -0400, William Josephson wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 10:48:04AM -0500, Sam wrote: > > cvs.pdos.lcs.mit.edu no longer resolves. > > Try exokernel.lcs.mit.edu. > From boyd@sdgm.net Tue Jul 6 06:39:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] euro woe X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable brahma% grep -i euro /lib/unicode 20a0 euro-currency sign brahma% unicode 20a0-20aF 20a0 =E2=82=A0 20a1 =E2=82=A1 20a2 =E2=82=A2 20a3 =E2=82=A3 20a4 =E2=82=A4= 20a5 =E2=82=A5 20a6 =E2=82=A6 20a7 =E2=82=A7 20a8 =E2=82=A8 20a9 =E2=82=A9 20aa =E2=82=AA 20ab =E2=82=AB 20ac =E2=82=AC= 20ad =E2=82=AD 20ae =E2=82=AE 20af =E2=82=AF brahma% echo $font /lib/font/bit/pelm/euro.9.font seems the unicode for =E2=82=AC is a bit consufused. 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The archives seem to indicate X calls completing out of turn with a gesture towards hardware acceleration. I'm running XFree86 4.3.0 using the standard VESA driver on FreeBSD 5.2.1. 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Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:38:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 04a23196_ced4_11d8_989e_00304828b574_2013; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:38:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C057819DD2 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:38:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C19619B50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08388-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 678EA19AE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <875690c16396b6e622a0bd23f9aec398@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] euro woe From: Charles Forsyth Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:41:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5508a3647ea96133759776567adac8b0@sdgm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-fgekehmdtaifiiqryvfncognmp" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-fgekehmdtaifiiqryvfncognmp Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 20A0 symbol is for an older EEC/EC unit of account that had more limited usage than the current Euro (20AC) that possesses coins and notes, which presumably now has replaced it except historically. the symbols really are different, thus different code points, although /lib/unicode probably ought to have an entry for the latter. --upas-fgekehmdtaifiiqryvfncognmp Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Mon Jul 5 20:25:33 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2B4119DBD for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:23:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3885F19B9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02555-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brahma.sdgm.net (brahma.sdgm.net [64.32.179.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF63D19B9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5508a3647ea96133759776567adac8b0@sdgm.net> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:23:41 -0400 From: boyd@sdgm.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] euro woe X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable brahma% grep -i euro /lib/unicode 20a0 euro-currency sign brahma% unicode 20a0-20aF 20a0 =E2=82=A0 20a1 =E2=82=A1 20a2 =E2=82=A2 20a3 =E2=82=A3 20a4 =E2=82=A4= 20a5 =E2=82=A5 20a6 =E2=82=A6 20a7 =E2=82=A7 20a8 =E2=82=A8 20a9 =E2=82=A9 20aa =E2=82=AA 20ab =E2=82=AB 20ac =E2=82=AC= 20ad =E2=82=AD 20ae =E2=82=AE 20af =E2=82=AF brahma% echo $font /lib/font/bit/pelm/euro.9.font seems the unicode for =E2=82=AC is a bit consufused. --upas-fgekehmdtaifiiqryvfncognmp-- From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jul 6 20:32:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:46:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001001c462e1$a2d72970$a4fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <875690c16396b6e622a0bd23f9aec398@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] euro woe Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:44:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ues, it was called the ECU iirc. > ... the current Euro (20AC) that possesses coins and notes be nice if troff groked the UTF sequence. i think it's troff. well, it groks it, but either it or page go gaga. i'm no longer drawtermed there to test it. From forsyth@terzarima.net Tue Jul 6 20:32:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 08:14:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2009a13a_ced9_11d8_8391_00304828b574_4977; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:14:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311B5344160 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:14:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1fab535a_ced9_11d8_9aa7_00304828b574_4967; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:14:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E3248758103; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:14:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F056A758104 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:14:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 18fbb69e_ced9_11d8_860d_00304828b574_4856; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:14:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D404344E14 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:56:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 897cc69a_ced6_11d8_89b3_00304828b574_17226; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:56:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C83919DC1 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:56:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47E8319B6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01482-02-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2840219AFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0a5fd908650a691ef1ebb3b801839fc4@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] euro woe From: Charles Forsyth Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:59:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <001001c462e1$a2d72970$a4fb7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zdahcbpqvregrugkgphrrwsflr" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zdahcbpqvregrugkgphrrwsflr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it's tr2post, which needs a postscript version of the character. there's a euro-site that gives the amazing rules for forming the symbol (protractors at the ready, gentlemen!) which might also have ready-made postscript for conversion to whatever tr2post might expect. there might also be a newer version of /sys/lib/postscript/font/lsunr20.pfa that includes it. --upas-zdahcbpqvregrugkgphrrwsflr Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Mon Jul 5 23:47:58 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EB3419DFD for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:46:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D102019CD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08388-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F9E719CA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.164]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EEF6067295 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:46:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001001c462e1$a2d72970$a4fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <875690c16396b6e622a0bd23f9aec398@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] euro woe Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:44:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu ues, it was called the ECU iirc. > ... the current Euro (20AC) that possesses coins and notes be nice if troff groked the UTF sequence. i think it's troff. well, it groks it, but either it or page go gaga. i'm no longer drawtermed there to test it. --upas-zdahcbpqvregrugkgphrrwsflr-- From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jul 6 20:32:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 08:14:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22c33ef4_ced9_11d8_9b30_00304828b574_5020; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:14:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6CB3441EC for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:14:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22911d66_ced9_11d8_9529_00304828b574_5017; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:14:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 88A7B758112; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:14:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D51B758101 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:14:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ad044c6_ced9_11d8_8f30_00304828b574_4883; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:14:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD953442CA for ; 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Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:01:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002401c462e3$b587ca50$a4fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <0a5fd908650a691ef1ebb3b801839fc4@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] euro woe Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:59:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu bugger it, i thought, just write 'euros'. 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July 6, 2004 K.Okamoto Tahahaha... Kenji From matthias@mteege.de Tue Jul 6 20:33:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 17:05:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4073767c_cf23_11d8_8b31_00304828b574_27162; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:05:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949403450BE for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:05:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 403e1ae0_cf23_11d8_9dd2_00304828b574_27159; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:05:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7DE9F7580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:05:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323C57580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:05:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 40008608_cf23_11d8_97d9_00304828b574_27155; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:05:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DB83450BE for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:05:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3f560854_cf23_11d8_8364_00304828b574_27147; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:05:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80F5519DD9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:05:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB39A19DC6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01316-02-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (unknown [82.149.227.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E260C19D6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72622 invoked by uid 66); 6 Jul 2004 08:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11770 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2004 08:02:58 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 08:02:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 73154 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 07:53:24 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 07:53:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4d15bfd6fcde2c7697ccc3e891216759@mteege.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:02:11 0000 From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <6aebde77e6556eecda1516dcf84c0374@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue Jul 6 07:44:53 GMT 2004, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > 1) make a new GUI standard for Plan 9 What do you missing (most)? Matthias From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Tue Jul 6 20:33:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 17:12:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 394cb600_cf24_11d8_8024_00304828b574_449; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66C534570C for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 38f47c06_cf24_11d8_91c3_00304828b574_446; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C02B17580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:12:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764CA7580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 38b84c5e_cf24_11d8_82cc_00304828b574_443; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B13934570C for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:12:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 380dd33c_cf24_11d8_8f64_00304828b574_440; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1008B19E37 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:12:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 984B119DDB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08854-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F210D19DD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61726 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 08:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 08:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 08:11:56 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i668BuF187431; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:11:56 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:11:39 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > 1) make a new GUI standard for Plan 9 > What do you missing (most)? need Sun Looking Glass or something? http://wwws.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.html Don't you want to break a looking glass, do you? -- From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jul 6 20:33:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 17:12:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 47575c96_cf24_11d8_8ea6_00304828b574_510; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A273934570C for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:12:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 472209b0_cf24_11d8_84ad_00304828b574_507; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8E5067580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:12:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F3B7580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:12:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46e830b4_cf24_11d8_9a9a_00304828b574_503; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599E834570C for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:12:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 463d0a54_cf24_11d8_9f4f_00304828b574_499; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 92A0D19DE1 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:12:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47EC519DE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11106-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ABA5E19E37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: matthias@mteege.de, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:11:21 +0900 In-Reply-To: <4d15bfd6fcde2c7697ccc3e891216759@mteege.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > On Tue Jul 6 07:44:53 GMT 2004, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: >> 1) make a new GUI standard for Plan 9 > > What do you missing (most)? I don't like the programming interface using library call. If I want to change it, I suppose I may have to change the user interface, too. Kenji From lucio@proxima.alt.za Tue Jul 6 20:33:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 17:23:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bdd02230_cf25_11d8_8aae_00304828b574_10054; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:23:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8948345758 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:23:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bd770a38_cf25_11d8_879e_00304828b574_10051; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:23:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8CAA77580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:23:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443F57580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:23:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bd3847d0_cf25_11d8_8a98_00304828b574_10048; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:23:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD7F34575D for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:23:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bc859298_cf25_11d8_8dcd_00304828b574_10039; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:23:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E604819E1E for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:23:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C0A219DDB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03061-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E58A19DB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i668LW04018754 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:21:45 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <0a031009269926585b96b2aeb633657d@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:19:40 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I don't like the programming interface using library call. > If I want to change it, I suppose I may have to change the user interface, too. I don't know, you could map the library calls to file I/O, largely write. I was thinking that a similar approach would enable Plan 9 to map X library calls to the native graphics and thus provide a migration path. But I haven't given it any serious thought. And the number of available X functions is daunting. But lesstif may at least illustrate what is possible. ++L From steve@quintile.net Tue Jul 6 20:33:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 19:58:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68f5a314_cf3b_11d8_9947_00304828b574_18881; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:58:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5BD34521B for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:58:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68c24816_cf3b_11d8_9b45_00304828b574_18878; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:58:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5CD5B7580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:58:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9587580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:58:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 687e5516_cf3b_11d8_8cd9_00304828b574_18873; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:58:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB5A34521B for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:58:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67d0aeb6_cf3b_11d8_8e98_00304828b574_18870; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:58:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E34519E29 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:58:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B6A819CF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06234-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (unknown [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AACA19DB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:57:03 +0100 To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <0a031009269926585b96b2aeb633657d@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu If you where to undertake such a mammoth task, how about an API mapping for GTK - thus we would get the Gallion browser and (I think) open-office for free. And yes, I don't beleive either are beautifull pieces of software, however they would be very usefull. -Steve From boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee Tue Jul 6 20:33:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 20:18:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28baa864_cf3e_11d8_9c9b_00304828b574_5790; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:18:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BA834459E for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:18:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 287b0e3e_cf3e_11d8_9dea_00304828b574_5779; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:18:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B7F1F7580FE; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:18:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC30758103 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:18:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 261bb134_cf3e_11d8_9667_00304828b574_5452; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D1534492A for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:08:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6fd80a6_cf3c_11d8_869f_00304828b574_27948; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:08:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4674419E47 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:08:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACEC919ACD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09281-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.starman.ee (mx1.starman.ee [62.65.192.16]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FD5C19AB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF355193460 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:08:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ajukaja (ip64.cab5.lsn.starman.ee [82.131.5.64]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC381934D9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:08:19 +0300 (EEST) From: Boris Maryshev Organization: The Estonian IT College To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:08:12 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407061408.13154.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tuesday 06 July 2004 13:57, Steve Simon wrote: > If you where to undertake such a mammoth task, how about an > API mapping for GTK - thus we would get the Gallion browser > and (I think) open-office for free. Galeon and OpenOffice.org for Plan 9? I doubt it... Galeon won't work without Mozilla by the way. > > And yes, I don't beleive either are beautifull pieces of > software, however they would be very usefull. If you want to put Plan 9 machine on paperworker's desk, think again! > > -Steve Boris Maryshev -- You will be Told about it Tomorrow. Go Home and Prepare Thyself. From bituman@enerla.net Tue Jul 6 20:33:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 20:26:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5c2d2fea_cf3f_11d8_95e4_00304828b574_15889; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:26:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A23344153 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:26:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5bf33f06_cf3f_11d8_83e3_00304828b574_15886; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:26:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 69432758100; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:26:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B94D758113 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:26:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53bfd5ec_cf3f_11d8_8e13_00304828b574_15750; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:26:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB43344153 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:21:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac7c66f6_cf3e_11d8_901c_00304828b574_10208; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:21:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84C3519EA1 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:21:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CD4619DC4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21526-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsp01-c02d3.vodafone.hu (um-relay-out.vodafone.hu [80.244.96.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D38F319DB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [195.56.94.211] (127.0.0.1) by gsp01-c02d3.vodafone.hu (NPlex 5.1.046) id 40E4A0030002EFFC for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:21:23 +0200 Message-ID: <40EA8B2E.9080204@enerla.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:21:18 +0200 From: bituman User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>1) make a new GUI standard for Plan 9 >> >> > > >>What do you missing (most)? >> >> > >need Sun Looking Glass or something? >http://wwws.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.html > >Don't you want to break a looking glass, do you? > > i checked out the video :) nice.. it'd be fine to have for plan9 all i want to add to this todo list: X) web browser. i know there's ip/httpd. but where can i find a lynx links clone? (maybe im just blind and its already somewhere ;) ) PS: one small question: ip/pppd supports gprs? From gdiaz@ipsoluciones.com Wed Jul 7 10:04:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 20:53:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 08bdb830_cf43_11d8_986d_00304828b574_3761; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:53:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037EF34521C for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:53:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 087a8736_cf43_11d8_9f0e_00304828b574_3721; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:53:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BF8F47580FB; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:53:01 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F387580FA for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:53:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 080fe14c_cf43_11d8_95b4_00304828b574_3657; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:53:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E514734521C for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:52:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07266c1a_cf43_11d8_828a_00304828b574_3619; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:53:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C298419DEA for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:52:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A7E819B7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10645-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.ipsoluciones.com (unknown [213.0.106.89]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1FBD919C3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srtapepis ([192.168.2.15]) by mailer.ipsoluciones.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i66Bobua019600 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:50:37 +0200 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:52:28 +0200 From: "gabriel diaz" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: <40EA8B2E.9080204@enerla.net> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40EA8B2E.9080204@enerla.net> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.50 (Win32, build 3778) Organization: ip soluciones Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-IPSoluciones-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-IPSoluciones-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IPSoluciones-MailScanner-SpamCheck: no es spam, SpamAssassin (puntuaci€n=-4.9, requerido 5, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char F3 hex) in message header 'X-IPSoluciones-MailScanner-SpamCheck' X-IPSoluciones-MailScanner-SpamCheck: ...am, \n\tSpamAssassin (puntuaci\363n=-4.9, requeri... ^ X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think the web browser and graphics toolkit topic have been discussed in the past. iirc the conclusion was that an acme based webbrowser was the desired tool. at the moment i think everybody who want web browsing are using other machines with windows/lunix. gtk?!?!? i don=C2=B4t think that would fit well on plan9, may be updating libcontrol with more controls is the option and making rio, acme, etc, to work using that lib the way to make the "desktop" (don=C2=B4t know if that word is correct here) looking more uniform. but all of that sounds a bit big to the busy people of the plan9 community, isn't it? is there anybody with enought force ( or strength?) and time to do things like that? :) gabi On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:21:18 +0200, bituman wrote: > >>> 1) make a new GUI standard for Plan 9 >>> >> >>> What do you missing (most)? >>> >> >> need Sun Looking Glass or something? >> http://wwws.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.html >> >> Don't you want to break a looking glass, do you? >> > i checked out the video :) nice.. it'd be fine to have for plan9 > > all i want to add to this todo list: > > X) web browser. i know there's ip/httpd. but where can i find a lynx =20 > links clone? (maybe im just blind and its already somewhere ;) ) > > PS: one small question: ip/pppd supports gprs? --=20 Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From jm@ai.univ-paris8.fr Wed Jul 7 10:04:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 21:09:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51aeed3c_cf45_11d8_9c4b_00304828b574_17461; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:09:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1310345287 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:09:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 511156da_cf45_11d8_9609_00304828b574_17441; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:09:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 70C5A7580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:09:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289137580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:09:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 50bbe4de_cf45_11d8_83c4_00304828b574_17435; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:09:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0DD345287 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:09:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c183482_cf45_11d8_96c4_00304828b574_17289; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:09:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 467DF19E6F for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:09:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80D7A19C45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08282-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F164219C3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (localhost.ai.univ-paris8.fr [127.0.0.1]) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i66C8o4I013825 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:08:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from jm@localhost) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i66C8o3w031326 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:08:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:08:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Message-Id: <200407061208.i66C8o3w031326@hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pxeload _then_ 9pc X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have a PC with a network card supporting PXE. In the /lib/ndb/local, I can specify bootf=/386/9pxeload, and it loads successfully the secondary boot loader, but then it asks for a boot method, and I have to specify ether0!/386/9pc.gz on the keyboard. Can I pass this argument to 9pxeload without human intervention? From davel@anvil.com Wed Jul 7 10:04:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 21:20:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1b3d15e_cf46_11d8_9073_00304828b574_26224; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86773452A8 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:20:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d17f0b36_cf46_11d8_9fae_00304828b574_26187; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8DC8D7580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:20:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF5C7580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:20:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d13bde10_cf46_11d8_9b68_00304828b574_26181; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498A93452A8 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:20:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d08c3294_cf46_11d8_81ee_00304828b574_25798; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9438019E71 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:19:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBE7A19D05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10645-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 842B519BD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 22B67711C; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:21:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9707008; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:21:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB59517262; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:18:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40EA97DC.1090904@anvil.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:15:24 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: lucio@proxima.alt.za X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Steve, I suspect that, if the answer were as simple(?) as converting GTK to 9p or similar, someone would have leapt on it by now. In reality I suspect that if you tried to port OOO or some other monolithic megalith, you would almost certainly die the death of a thousand config-files, fonts, shared libraries, external dependencies etc. etc. etc. Cheers, DaveL. Steve Simon wrote: >If you where to undertake such a mammoth task, how about an >API mapping for GTK - thus we would get the Gallion browser >and (I think) open-office for free. > >And yes, I don't beleive either are beautifull pieces of >software, however they would be very usefull. > >-Steve > > From matthias@mteege.de Wed Jul 7 10:04:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 21:20:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id def257b4_cf46_11d8_94cf_00304828b574_26454; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC31C3452A8 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:20:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id debc57a4_cf46_11d8_90d6_00304828b574_26451; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CD2AA7580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:20:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB697580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:20:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de8288e4_cf46_11d8_9b40_00304828b574_26448; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868CB3452A8 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:20:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ddcf3ece_cf46_11d8_8ba8_00304828b574_26445; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC29919E12 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:20:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7B3A19DEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12870-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (unknown [82.149.227.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA2BA19BD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76604 invoked by uid 66); 6 Jul 2004 12:20:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 30221 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2004 12:15:31 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 12:15:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 90638 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 12:05:55 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 12:05:55 -0000 Message-ID: <4e4669a43cd6559b4fc2652467fbbed7@mteege.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:14:46 0000 From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue Jul 6 12:00:02 GMT 2004, gdiaz@ipsoluciones.com wrote: > is there anybody with enought force ( or strength?) and time to do > things like that? :) Hmm, I have the time but my C knowledge is nearly nonexistent. ;-) Matthias From lucio@proxima.alt.za Wed Jul 7 10:04:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 21:26:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a6f9c33c_cf47_11d8_9140_00304828b574_31311; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:26:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4223452E9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:26:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a6c7c472_cf47_11d8_89a8_00304828b574_31274; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:26:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5E20E7580FB; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:26:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148BE7580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:26:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a68509fc_cf47_11d8_9f58_00304828b574_31270; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:26:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BE43452E9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:26:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a5cc77de_cf47_11d8_926c_00304828b574_31199; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:26:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8C9A19E9B for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:26:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79B4019C45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08282-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B4FF19C3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i66COq04019969 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:24:54 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <34a00edf10030e0deaeabb2cb1337f9e@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:23:02 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <4e4669a43cd6559b4fc2652467fbbed7@mteege.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Hmm, I have the time but my C knowledge is nearly > nonexistent. ;-) No, I don't think you have the time. Learning C is the trivial portion. ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Wed Jul 7 10:04:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 21:28:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f35976fa_cf47_11d8_8e57_00304828b574_1134; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:28:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9C0344C49 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:28:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2ae0edc_cf47_11d8_82e9_00304828b574_1056; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:28:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 989427580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:28:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534607580FC for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:28:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f25ef338_cf47_11d8_8cee_00304828b574_1049; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:28:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFDA3441F7 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:27:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd04d3e0_cf47_11d8_81a0_00304828b574_32653; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:27:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBE9719E01 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:27:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AABB419DED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12870-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 76B7719DB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i66CQq04019997 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:26:53 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <014ab17db907373dad2a393fbc8b173e@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:25:02 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <40EA97DC.1090904@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > In reality I suspect that if you tried to port OOO or some other > monolithic megalith, > you would almost certainly die the death of a thousand config-files, > fonts, shared libraries, external dependencies > etc. etc. etc. Good point. Some of them shared with Plan 9, mind you, but a thousand thousand curses nevertheless. ++L From noah.evans@gmail.com Wed Jul 7 10:04:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 21:41:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c1f00960_cf49_11d8_9393_00304828b574_15156; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:41:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8239344548 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:41:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c1b47b0c_cf49_11d8_853d_00304828b574_15149; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:41:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D5F47580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:41:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D1B758105 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:41:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf4597b6_cf49_11d8_874f_00304828b574_14839; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:41:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4101B344C49 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:33:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb0ff3c2_cf48_11d8_97b6_00304828b574_6667; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:33:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 372DF19EC1 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:33:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D69BF19DEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08282-01-75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 82BA119D05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so50170rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 05:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.1.62 with SMTP id 62mr391229rna; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 05:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <56a29700040706053359357eb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:33:30 +0900 From: Noah Evans To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <6aebde77e6556eecda1516dcf84c0374@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <6aebde77e6556eecda1516dcf84c0374@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu What kind of gui changes are you interested in? Noah On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:26:59 +0900, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > My too much todo lists for Plan 9.=E2=98=BA >=20 > 1) make a new GUI standard for Plan 9 > 2) grass for Plan 9 > 3) PostgreSQL for Plan 9 > 4) USB strage device for Nikon CoolPix 3200 > 5) USB interface for HP scanner (PSC2550 etc) > 6) ... >=20 > July 6, 2004 K.Okamoto >=20 > Tahahaha... >=20 > Kenji >=20 > From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jul 7 10:04:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 21:43:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 179f564a_cf4a_11d8_8d77_00304828b574_17747; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:43:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDF934442D for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:43:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 176ce8f4_cf4a_11d8_8719_00304828b574_17741; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:43:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EF1E57580FB; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:43:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B2E758100 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14f33006_cf4a_11d8_919f_00304828b574_17697; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:43:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD503446D0 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:35:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f7275b48_cf48_11d8_9860_00304828b574_8736; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:35:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8232A19EAA for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:35:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E643919C45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14798-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B441A19DEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.164]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 58DE337A40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:35:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00f401c46355$6ecc76c0$a4fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <34a00edf10030e0deaeabb2cb1337f9e@proxima.alt.za> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:33:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > No, I don't think you have the time. i think you'll run out of sanity before you run out of time. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Wed Jul 7 10:04:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 22:15:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8824d274_cf4e_11d8_85af_00304828b574_12591; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:15:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D642345297 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:15:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87d1cf8e_cf4e_11d8_88ca_00304828b574_12588; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:15:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E2FB07580F9; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:15:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4C37580FA for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:15:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8791501c_cf4e_11d8_8400_00304828b574_12585; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:15:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE98345297 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:15:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 86e5607c_cf4e_11d8_837a_00304828b574_12579; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:15:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9700A19EBA for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:15:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E47D19DED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29251-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A11BD19D05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51000c909699fc3d6c2ee5e5e8f1faf3@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:14:47 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <40EA8B2E.9080204@enerla.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > X) web browser. i know there's ip/httpd. but where can i find a lynx > links clone? (maybe im just blind and its already somewhere ;) ) http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/links/ andrey From davel@anvil.com Wed Jul 7 10:04:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 22:21:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5c357ad2_cf4f_11d8_95bd_00304828b574_17547; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:21:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F663452D2 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:21:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5bff1726_cf4f_11d8_9281_00304828b574_17543; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:21:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EAA5E7580FA; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:21:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8EC7580F9 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:21:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5bc540d2_cf4f_11d8_84fc_00304828b574_17540; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:21:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B081B3452D2 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:21:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5b190bf0_cf4f_11d8_9833_00304828b574_17537; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:21:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9A6419E17 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:21:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 237EB19B26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13711-02-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C814D19AFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 6712F7129; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:22:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94D170ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:22:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50A417262 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:20:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40EAA63B.7090405@anvil.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:16:43 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: <6aebde77e6556eecda1516dcf84c0374@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <6aebde77e6556eecda1516dcf84c0374@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > My too much todo lists for Plan 9.=E2=98=BA Well done for making a list at least! > 2) grass for Plan 9 Why can't plan9 score it's own drugs:-) Seriously: have you seen http://grass.itc.it/grass5/source/REQUIREMENTS.html ? It's non-trivial. > 3) PostgreSQL for Plan 9 I think you need shared memory, and other such weirdness. > 4) USB strage device for Nikon CoolPix 3200 Is this generic USB mass-storage? I know my Fuji works fine with an out-of-the-box linux USB mass-storage=20 setup, which is enough for me: I lose the EXIF stuff, though, so some day (not soon!) I will just bite the bullet and start porting=20 that stuff (yuk), unless someone else does it first. (That would also mean I could connect my MP3 player!) > 5) USB interface for HP scanner (PSC2550 etc) I don't know anything about these beasts: there is SANE though:-~. Cheers, Dave. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Wed Jul 7 10:04:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 6 23:11:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 64896dd6_cf56_11d8_86aa_00304828b574_31945; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:11:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7762E34461A for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:11:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 645050aa_cf56_11d8_94c1_00304828b574_31939; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:11:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0B83775810F; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:11:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9A475810D for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:11:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5994c31c_cf56_11d8_89ae_00304828b574_31766; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:11:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05515344200 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:05:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7dda4bbc_cf55_11d8_9cd1_00304828b574_24677; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:05:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE26519EF8 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:05:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FCF219B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14798-02-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D861E19B5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i66E3j04020509 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:03:47 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <558dfbc0c183bc62c78ec66e7a4d0383@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:01:55 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <40EAA63B.7090405@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > My too much todo lists for Plan 9.=E2=98=BA >=20 > Well done for making a list at least! I hate lists, but mine has, in no particular order and doubtlessly incomplete: . SCSI LUs . Bluetooth . S/MIME and PEM . update Binutils and GCC . PXE features in ip/dhcpd . SiS 550 graphics . OHCI and EHCI for USB . Remote Desktop . Tcl/Tk/Expect (needs APE updates) . Graphviz If anyone needs a compilable copy of dot, neato, twopi, circo and fdp from Graphviz 1.12 (the most recent version I could get hold of) with ps ps2 hpgl pcl mif pic gd gd2 jpg jpeg png wbmp ismap imap cmap cmapx vrml vtx mp fig svg svgz dia dot canon plain plain-ext xdot (not all tested, png gives rise to: png: only 24 bit per pixel supported for now [2] which I have not investigated further) I have a bunch of mkfiles and a very few patches that will do it. But the editors are not ready, of course. There is also some tidying up required. ++L From steve@quintile.net Wed Jul 7 10:04:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 00:05:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f8355868_cf5d_11d8_9d40_00304828b574_11028; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:05:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDE634582F for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:05:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f7feb7f4_cf5d_11d8_8cc3_00304828b574_11025; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:05:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9B4BE7580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:05:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510FD7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:05:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f7c5e924_cf5d_11d8_9e22_00304828b574_11022; 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Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:05:24 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ncpfs update X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, ncpfs on sources updated, fixed suicide if network disappeared during a read, also swapped -v option for Session psudo file. -Steve From matt@proweb.co.uk Wed Jul 7 10:04:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 00:23:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a917278_cf60_11d8_9e12_00304828b574_27663; 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Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:18:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A391B19E74 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0B2B19AB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01642-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (unknown [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFCC619A8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:20:29 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu browser : too complex, waste of time gtk : too complex, waste of time my desires : bluetooth for my 3COM bluetooth dongle more audio devices / different audio subsystem dual monitor support m From paurea@lsub.org Wed Jul 7 10:04:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 00:27:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fac160e2_cf60_11d8_8b20_00304828b574_32093; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:27:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784BB3446B3 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:27:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa8e9784_cf60_11d8_9565_00304828b574_32090; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:27:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4BDD57580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:27:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C1975810A for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:27:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f8b17ea4_cf60_11d8_964e_00304828b574_32058; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:27:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D0E3444B8 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:20:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07f1b93e_cf60_11d8_9767_00304828b574_24545; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:20:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 99E9619EA0 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:20:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 171A919D65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01642-01-66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sailu.dat.escet.urjc.es (gsyc031.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D05619AB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <714e74c5e31189a2ae4fcc645af2f9de@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:20:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C3 hex) in message header 'From' From: Gorka Guardiola M\303\272zquiz List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > browser : too complex, waste of time > gtk : too complex, waste of time ... > more audio devices / different audio subsystem > dual monitor support And you say a browser is complicated?. Vga and audio... good luck. G. From steve@quintile.net Wed Jul 7 10:04:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 00:28:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e5b6c2c_cf61_11d8_85be_00304828b574_942; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:28:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EFA344414 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:28:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e22ef96_cf61_11d8_85ee_00304828b574_938; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:28:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2BE9C7580FF; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:28:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63420758109 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:28:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2bfa3710_cf61_11d8_984a_00304828b574_910; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:28:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218C2344A31 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:21:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2bfe153e_cf60_11d8_99b9_00304828b574_25622; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:21:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4675919EE6 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:21:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09FC919E2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11606-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (unknown [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A01A19E1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <87d8e351baf5dc3b4bf2e08807c55702@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:21:19 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] cifs tentative release X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have put a copy of my cifs client in /n/sources/steve/cifs.tar.bz2 It mostly works mut needs a load more testing against different servers. I have fixed a couple of minor bugs and added a few more psudo files which can help debug problems. Finally I would like to appologise for my outburst agains CIFS the other day. We all have legacy code that we need to support and Microsoft have done much to help third part developers understand its wrinkles in recent years. 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Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:42:35 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i66FgYVU011714 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:42:34 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i66FgYwO009709 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:42:34 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:42:33 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] cifs tentative release In-Reply-To: <87d8e351baf5dc3b4bf2e08807c55702@quintile.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu well, hmm. let's suppose we have Xen working so we have virtual machines. (I'm up to the boot prompt ... just need to get the network driver going). You could build an audio server OS, and a bluetooth server OS, etc. and then connect them as servers. So no drivers in that sense. modload? no modload. When a new device is added, you fire up an OS to run it. Plan 9 has the ideal protocol to support this. Xen muxing of an OS is as efficient (almost) as OS muxing of processes. It's not vmware. Could be interesting ... ron From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jul 7 10:04:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 00:43:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45940a64_cf63_11d8_8a2b_00304828b574_14775; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:43:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1452344AC7 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:43:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 455cbc30_cf63_11d8_9a72_00304828b574_14772; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:43:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DC3E77580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:43:47 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C0C7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:43:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45223754_cf63_11d8_8c79_00304828b574_14769; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:43:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A73344AC7 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:43:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4476a574_cf63_11d8_834d_00304828b574_14766; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:43:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E111019E47 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:43:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1763F19E57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05316-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0DCE19E1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.164]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BCFC13790F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:43:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <011f01c4636f$b1a114a0$a4fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:41:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > seems like we will need some sort of modules sometime. hmm, dunno. i think brucee said, at some point, that research inferno had 'em. From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jul 7 10:04:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 00:45:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7aed3f64_cf63_11d8_845a_00304828b574_16390; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:45:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750D4344AD5 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:45:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7ab404ba_cf63_11d8_998b_00304828b574_16385; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:45:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 61FC47580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:45:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B2A7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:45:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a79991a_cf63_11d8_878c_00304828b574_16382; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:45:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D9B344AE4 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:45:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79cc46de_cf63_11d8_898b_00304828b574_16373; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:45:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 621AE19F0B for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:45:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E37A19E44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05316-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D62D19E1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i66FiwCp009816 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:44:58 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i66Fiv1p014770 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:44:57 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i66FivwO009812 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:44:57 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:44:56 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <011f01c4636f$b1a114a0$a4fb7d50@SOMA> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, boyd, rounin wrote: > > seems like we will need some sort of modules sometime. > > hmm, dunno. > > i think brucee said, at some point, that research inferno had 'em. which brings up another issue. How come (he said naively) we still have the inferno/plan 9 split? I never did figure that one out. I was pretty clueless about the whole business, though. ron From scriptfu@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 7 10:04:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 01:03:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1038050c_cf66_11d8_8968_00304828b574_30655; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:03:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CC5344D49 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:03:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ff1f88c_cf66_11d8_8785_00304828b574_30652; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:03:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B1F3A7580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:03:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6799B7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:03:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0faf83c6_cf66_11d8_8ca3_00304828b574_30649; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:03:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C52344D49 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:03:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0f0190c2_cf66_11d8_801e_00304828b574_30645; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:03:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7279519F0C for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:03:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A26F519C48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21264-01-90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.72]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03FAF19B3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.158]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with SMTP id <20040706160324.RJSP1737.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:03:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) X-Originating-IP: [68.215.239.183] From: adrian Organization: fu-labs To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] private mail box Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:03:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040706160324.RJSP1737.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Yeah okay, what are you trying to do ? You want an anonymous mail slot ? No problem. > > From: moonstar > Date: 2004/06/24 Thu PM 09:44:52 EDT > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: [9fans] private mail box > > hi! i read your article from february i think, about > the mail slot and mail delivery system. I have been > having problems recieving mail from the post office, > and thought if I could figure out why you do not own > your mail box or mail slot, I would be able to figure > out how to get my mail easier. I noticed you stated > you'd written people about prvate ownership of > mailslots and was wondering if you could send me back > anything you've found out or information on why this > is and maybe see if there are ways around this. I > agree it's silly and Europeans have a much better way > of dealing with things... Anyway, good article... > email back please? > sincerely, rachael > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! 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Albert Einstein From forsyth@vitanuova.com Wed Jul 7 10:04:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 01:13:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68de019c_cf67_11d8_8c52_00304828b574_6913; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:13:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340293453A0 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:13:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68abbbd8_cf67_11d8_9a83_00304828b574_6910; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:13:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 165327580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:13:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C121C7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:13:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 686b444a_cf67_11d8_892c_00304828b574_6907; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:13:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40EB3453A0 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:13:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67bfade2_cf67_11d8_9e44_00304828b574_6904; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:13:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8EA0C19EE6 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:13:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFDB019E00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11890-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 296FF19D65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f88bd5cf0f847c3739535b81b4d6312@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: C H Forsyth Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:19:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>How come (he said naively) we still have the inferno/plan 9 split? I never >>did figure that one out. I was pretty clueless about the whole business, >>though. although quite a lot of the kernel code is indeed the same or similar, especially now, at least on the pc, clearly related, and i/we increasingly get them to interact with fewer gateways, the upper architectures are actually rather different in principle. bits have gone back and forth between them below that, where sensible, for quite a long time, and you never know what might show up next. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Wed Jul 7 10:04:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 01:18:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ebf52f4_cf68_11d8_8f1f_00304828b574_10903; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:18:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D113453C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:18:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1e836e24_cf68_11d8_9ba9_00304828b574_10898; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:18:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 34BB07580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:18:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4547580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:18:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1e478bd4_cf68_11d8_8b40_00304828b574_10895; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:18:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1B23453C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:18:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d9ab274_cf68_11d8_9958_00304828b574_10891; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:18:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D5DC19EFE for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:18:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F19FF19E1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11904-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (ensc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.2.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3EBCE19E00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.5.9]) by ensc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i66GDob5016254 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i66GDjpj022287 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:13:45 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:13:41 -0600 (MDT) From: andrey mirtchovski To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bootalphapc In-Reply-To: <1025bb5d8752bfa9aaa46ad147d88b35@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > Fixing problems like that is not usually too difficult, > by looking at the *BSD code as has been mentioned. > Jean Mehat did it recently for one > of the Alpha DECstations. > my alpha is up officially, though there's still some IRQ weirdness to be ironed out. thanks to Jean Mehat for the sources. it is an Alpha Personal Workstation 500au: alpha% cat '#P/cputype' 21164A 500 alpha% pci 0.12.0: 03.00.00 1011/000d 248 0:90000008 4194304 0.3.0: 02.00.00 1011/0019 240 0:00009001 128 1:80159000 128 0.7.0: 06.01.00 1080/c693 240 0.7.1: 01.01.80 1080/c693 222 0:000001f1 16 1:000003f5 16 4:000090a1 16 0.7.2: 01.01.00 1080/c693 223 0:00000171 16 1:00000375 16 4:80140000 65536 0.7.3: 0c.03.10 1080/c693 218 0:80158000 4096 alpha% andrey From BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu Wed Jul 7 10:04:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Also, is your filesystem running locally on the PWS, or from = another machine via network? How much trouble was all this? Thanks! -Ben >>> andrey mirtchovski 7/6/2004 9:13:41 AM >>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: >=20 > Fixing problems like that is not usually too difficult, > by looking at the *BSD code as has been mentioned. > Jean Mehat did it recently for one > of the Alpha DECstations. >=20 my alpha is up officially, though there's still some IRQ weirdness to be ironed out. thanks to Jean Mehat for the sources. it is an Alpha Personal Workstation 500au: alpha% cat '#P/cputype' 21164A 500 alpha% pci 0.12.0: 03.00.00 1011/000d 248 0:90000008 4194304 0.3.0: 02.00.00 1011/0019 240 0:00009001 128 1:80159000 128 0.7.0: 06.01.00 1080/c693 240 0.7.1: 01.01.80 1080/c693 222 0:000001f1 16 1:000003f5 16 4:000090a1 16 0.7.2: 01.01.00 1080/c693 223 0:00000171 16 1:00000375 16 4:80140000 = 65536 0.7.3: 0c.03.10 1080/c693 218 0:80158000 4096 alpha%=20 andrey From mhosey31@hotmail.com Wed Jul 7 10:04:31 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 03:30:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bbd1f68_cf7a_11d8_95a2_00304828b574_30717; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:30:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F02344E0F for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:30:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b66bb46_cf7a_11d8_8ca6_00304828b574_30714; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:30:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A02AF7580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:30:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FF67580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:30:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b25250a_cf7a_11d8_891e_00304828b574_30711; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:30:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51319344E0F for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:30:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a6dc7ca_cf7a_11d8_80cc_00304828b574_30708; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:30:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B916019EB3 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:30:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 262C819E26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26653-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay19-f28.bay19.hotmail.com [64.4.53.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79F2619E0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:30:23 -0700 Received: from 217.43.131.200 by by19fd.bay19.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:30:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.43.131.200] X-Originating-Email: [mhosey31@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mhosey31@hotmail.com From: "michael hosey" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:30:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2004 18:30:23.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D06E9D0:01C46387] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] hi X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu dont know if u can help me.i have looked everywhere for a resolve to my problem. i have a geoforce fx5200 and all i am getting is a flashing screen now and again.? i have updated the drivers but still the same? thanks for any help and advice also if u could point me in the right direction? mikeyh _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From knapjack@gmail.com Wed Jul 7 10:04:31 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 03:44:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b9c727c_cf7c_11d8_8e48_00304828b574_9290; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:44:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16680345934 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:44:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b6a4ae0_cf7c_11d8_8b4d_00304828b574_9287; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:44:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E88E27580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:44:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10DE7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:44:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b286562_cf7c_11d8_867f_00304828b574_9284; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:44:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03AD345935 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:44:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a7a4e64_cf7c_11d8_988b_00304828b574_9278; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:44:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E18A119E29 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:44:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D08919D73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29264-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C154E19CEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d15so51875rng for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.65 with SMTP id e65mr20904rng; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c06204070611434410ba53@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:43:52 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] hi In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:30:23 +0000, michael hosey wrote: > i have a geoforce fx5200 and all i am getting is a flashing screen now and > again.? It's likely that you're trying to drive your monitor at a higher refresh rate than it can handle. If you're still booting from CD, try setting your monitor to multisync75 and keep the resolution down to 1024x768. Does the default 640x480x8 and xga monitor flash as well? -Jack From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Wed Jul 7 10:04:32 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 04:54:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5514f804_cf86_11d8_8aa1_00304828b574_6289; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:54:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6747F344AD3 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 04:54:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54e350e2_cf86_11d8_8ff8_00304828b574_6286; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:54:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4FC8B7580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 04:54:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD6D7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 04:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54a016f6_cf86_11d8_9660_00304828b574_6283; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C94C344AD3 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 04:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53f31cd0_cf86_11d8_862c_00304828b574_6280; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BF5519E32 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D35DE19D65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03797-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D94F119D80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46dc3dd0e49ca017454e8cddb6385471@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bootalphapc Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:54:21 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <20040706T093258Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: sonic.net: neuromancer 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=J_CHICKENPOX_35, J_CHICKENPOX_53, J_CHICKENPOX_83 X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Did you use the out-of-the-box bootalphapc, or some other method to > get it going? Also, is your filesystem running locally on the PWS, or > from another machine via network? How much trouble was all this? > i boot using bootalphapc from a Plan 9 cpu server on which i've started ip/tftpd and ip/dhcpd. the ndb configuration for the alpha (i.e. what the dhcp server will look at) is: sys=alpha ether=0000f875fafa ip=192.168.1.5 bootf=bootalphapc proto=tcp fs=136.159.220.110 auth=136.159.220.110 authdom=plan9.ucalgary.ca ipgw=192.168.1.1 dns=136.159.5.14 dns=136.159.5.15 not all of this is required (it should be in the ipnet= configuration). bootalphapc looks for a configuration file describing the machine in /alpha/conf/AA.BB.CC.DD (the ip address of the machine booting). there's an example there (10.0.0.2), and here's what i have: plan9% cd /alpha/conf plan9% ls 10.0.0.2 192.168.1.5 plan9% cat 192.168.1.5 bootfile=/alpha/9apccpu bootargs=tcp ether0=type=2114x fs=136.159.220.110 auth=136.159.220.110 plan9% bootalphapc downloads the kernel via tftp and jumps to it. as for hard -- it wasn't hard at all. the kernel booted to 'root is from:' immediately, the only thing i needed to do is fix interrupts (the PCI interrupts seem to be offset by 8). there's still something wrong with the clock interrupts, of which there are about 500 extra ones generated every second. the combined time wasn't more than 4-5 days, of which most was spent trying different permutations of the IRQ settings and waiting for others who know to reply to my silly questions. andrey ps: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/alpha.png From jdyldd@therightonetoget.com Wed Jul 7 10:04:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Goto the website below to confirm your blind date: http://e.therightonetoget.com/confirm/?oc=546944 notifications off http://sb.therightonetoget.com/support/ From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Wed Jul 7 10:04:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 10:02:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f469b1e_cfb1_11d8_81c5_00304828b574_17650; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:02:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBCA3442E4 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:02:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f0b7eb2_cfb1_11d8_9baf_00304828b574_17646; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:02:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EA270758105; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:02:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AA975810D for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:02:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42d18f4c_cfb1_11d8_9349_00304828b574_16955; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:02:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CFB344781 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:55:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6005bf1c_cfb0_11d8_9384_00304828b574_9872; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:55:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE12819E1A for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:55:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A94919B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15726-02-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B80ED19A7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a15c568fff889461de80ea33dccad5a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:54:08 +0900 In-Reply-To: <56a29700040706053359357eb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > What kind of gui changes are you interested in? > > Noah Are you back? Plan 9's most importtant feature is that all the resources are files. I'd like to modify it, all the classes of the Plan 9 are the user level file systems. Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Wed Jul 7 20:41:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 10:05:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b8c7ec78_cfb1_11d8_96af_00304828b574_20417; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:05:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A49A344376 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:05:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b838c2dc_cfb1_11d8_8f3e_00304828b574_20414; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:05:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4C5B17580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:05:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0030B7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:05:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7f681e2_cfb1_11d8_80f7_00304828b574_20411; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:05:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEC3344376 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:05:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b748b788_cfb1_11d8_854a_00304828b574_20408; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:05:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09D0D19E7A for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:05:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D92919C1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15726-02-59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7248919C74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:03:46 +0900 In-Reply-To: <40EAA63B.7090405@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Why can't plan9 score it's own drugs:-) > Seriously: have you seen > http://grass.itc.it/grass5/source/REQUIREMENTS.html > ? It's non-trivial. Because I expanded the grass4.1 for other planets by myself. Anyway, I'll check the 5 version, thanks. > > 3) PostgreSQL for Plan 9 > I think you need shared memory, and other such weirdness. Presotto said we have it. > > 4) USB strage device for Nikon CoolPix 3200 >=20 > Is this generic USB mass-storage? > I know my Fuji works fine with an out-of-the-box linux USB mass-storage= =20 > setup, > which is enough for me: I lose the EXIF stuff, though, > so some day (not soon!) I will just bite the bullet and start porting=20 > that stuff (yuk), > unless someone else does it first. > (That would also mean I could connect my MP3 player!) I expect someone do it soon.=E2=98=BA > > 5) USB interface for HP scanner (PSC2550 etc) >=20 > I don't know anything about these beasts: there is SANE though:-~. No, I have dilemma because I want to do it for a new GUI system.=E2=98=BA SANE is not for Plan 9 concept, I think. All the programs using some special RPC protocol should be rewritten by user level file server for Plan 9. Fortunately or unfortunately we have philosophy, not by myself but by the= designers of Plan 9, which makes us not so easy to do something. However, if ther= e is no such philosophy in Plan 9 who loves her? Kenji . From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jul 7 20:41:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 10:16:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49cbfa88_cfb3_11d8_9c3d_00304828b574_29855; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:16:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861CF344DDA for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:16:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 496dcb34_cfb3_11d8_8254_00304828b574_29852; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:16:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 67C2B7580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:16:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6927580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:16:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 492c6dec_cfb3_11d8_9df4_00304828b574_29849; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:16:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27951344DDA for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:16:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 487b35c2_cfb3_11d8_804d_00304828b574_29846; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:16:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB49D19E9D for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:16:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE24919C1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28816-01-74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35A6919B25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.53]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C73F4672A4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:16:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004101c463bf$b5908ff0$35fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:14:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > > 3) PostgreSQL for Plan 9 > > I think you need shared memory, and other such weirdness. > > Presotto said we have it. sure do, but there are other ways. i think it's doable. done a bit of postgres hacking. this: http://www.insultant.net/blog/doc/ifc.pdf was done in python and i see no reason why postgres couldn't be ported (in an intelligent way) to plan 9. the python interface to it [psycopg] was very simple. i know how i'd do it. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Wed Jul 7 20:41:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 10:28:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f3479026_cfb4_11d8_97fd_00304828b574_7074; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:28:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C53344F2B for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2d096d8_cfb4_11d8_8aac_00304828b574_7071; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1DD767580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:28:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CE67580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:28:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f29178cc_cfb4_11d8_93f5_00304828b574_7068; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:28:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD4B344F2D for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:28:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1e67044_cfb4_11d8_91eb_00304828b574_7065; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:28:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B04F19E29 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:28:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EE8E19D38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28816-01-96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CF1F19C1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <831861bd308e77a861dcab0f12c12632@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:26:54 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > And yes, I don't beleive either are beautifull pieces of > software, however they would be very usefull. I agree with Dave's answer, and I think you know it well. My TODO lists mixes different levels, and it's personal to me.=E2=98=BA Kenji From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jul 7 20:41:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 10:29:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f76822e_cfb5_11d8_9cf0_00304828b574_7877; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:29:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51ED8344F33 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:29:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1efc72ae_cfb5_11d8_89af_00304828b574_7874; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:29:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3DEA27580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:29:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D8A7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:29:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ec2402a_cfb5_11d8_934e_00304828b574_7871; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:29:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0811F344F33 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:29:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1e169fb8_cfb5_11d8_95a3_00304828b574_7868; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:29:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FD9B19DEF for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:29:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 393D819D46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28816-01-99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2F2619D38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.53]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AAEFE67304 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:29:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004901c463c1$8f4331c0$35fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:27:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu depending on your USB device you might not be able to get to a user mode proc fast enough, so (as ron said) some sort of core kernel + modules may be required. i would keep in mind that the kernel (like the cheese) should stand alone; it should boot with as little f/s or module support as necessary, otherwise you wind up in lunix hell. From noah.evans@gmail.com Wed Jul 7 20:41:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 13:03:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aac51e7a_cfca_11d8_85a5_00304828b574_15779; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C34344501 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:03:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa71fd1c_cfca_11d8_909f_00304828b574_15776; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 975277580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:03:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4127580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:03:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa30978c_cfca_11d8_9500_00304828b574_15773; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB13344501 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:03:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a98405b2_cfca_11d8_9a38_00304828b574_15770; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB1F919EA8 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:03:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFB8A19D4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17435-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 78CF919B62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so61768rnh for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.1.62 with SMTP id 62mr497634rna; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <56a29700040706210335274d93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:03:03 +0900 From: Noah Evans To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <7a15c568fff889461de80ea33dccad5a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7a15c568fff889461de80ea33dccad5a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Not quite :) I'm waiting on my friends landline. Right now I'm posting from a yahoo bb store. Noah On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:54:08 +0900, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > > What kind of gui changes are you interested in? > > > > Noah > > Are you back? > > Plan 9's most importtant feature is that all the resources > are files. I'd like to modify it, all the classes of the Plan 9 > are the user level file systems. > > Kenji > > From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Wed Jul 7 20:41:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 13:45:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8361fcb2_cfd0_11d8_8252_00304828b574_17814; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:45:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481E634562A for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:45:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 82da37a0_cfd0_11d8_99b4_00304828b574_17811; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:45:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 33A287580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:45:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97F47580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:45:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 82a67712_cfd0_11d8_861f_00304828b574_17807; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:45:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0A234562A for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:45:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81fca23c_cfd0_11d8_8eb5_00304828b574_17804; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:45:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 183FD19DE1 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:45:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4980A19AC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18450-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7BA219BB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6d5e32b0591c18388a05bfb8e5c14945@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:43:50 +0900 In-Reply-To: <56a29700040706210335274d93@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Right now I'm posting > from a yahoo bb store. I havn't known we can do such! Which one, in Wakayama? Kenji From lucio@proxima.alt.za Wed Jul 7 20:41:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 14:49:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67b40632_cfd9_11d8_9ad0_00304828b574_10134; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:49:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDA43450B5 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:49:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 675c5e28_cfd9_11d8_96fe_00304828b574_10131; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:49:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 89E317580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:49:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB6E7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:49:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67221a88_cfd9_11d8_95de_00304828b574_10128; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:49:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465CE3450B5 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:49:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 666ee5d0_cfd9_11d8_8a87_00304828b574_10125; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:49:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E36E19B62 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:49:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9D9E19B2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10243-01-25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBE6E19B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i675ma04025822 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:48:37 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <3636b37d7a6b91f5aed13bef56b1ebce@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:46:45 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <011f01c4636f$b1a114a0$a4fb7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i think brucee said, at some point, that research inferno had 'em. Yeah, we keep hearing about them, but no one is making any attempt at releasing the details so one can progress with it. ++L From noah.evans@gmail.com Wed Jul 7 20:41:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 16:15:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f7394c6_cfe5_11d8_8812_00304828b574_20217; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:15:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EE634519C for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:15:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f193666_cfe5_11d8_88c7_00304828b574_20196; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:15:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 70F1F7580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:15:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276C17580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:15:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ed8a36c_cfe5_11d8_9b4f_00304828b574_20189; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:15:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB4734519C for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:15:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6e25b05e_cfe5_11d8_95ac_00304828b574_20153; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:15:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68BC219E3C for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:15:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE64819B95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25938-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6A97B19AA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so69508rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.16 with SMTP id y16mr1948218rnb; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <56a2970004070700153fa59c74@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:15:03 +0900 From: Noah Evans To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <6d5e32b0591c18388a05bfb8e5c14945@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6d5e32b0591c18388a05bfb8e5c14945@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Yeah, they have a muryou taiken. I've been taikening for all of my mail lately. I think the one's in Osaka do too. Nice way for free internet during business hours. Noah On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:43:50 +0900, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > > Right now I'm posting > > from a yahoo bb store. > > I havn't known we can do such! > Which one, in Wakayama? > > Kenji > > From davel@anvil.com Wed Jul 7 20:41:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 18:17:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7ad6557c_cff6_11d8_97d4_00304828b574_761; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:17:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542F13442C9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 796ac4d4_cff6_11d8_830a_00304828b574_727; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D93D275810F; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:17:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5697580FB for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:17:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 751e03aa_cff6_11d8_8470_00304828b574_672; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:17:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDC834437D for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:15:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b374e12_cff6_11d8_863a_00304828b574_31012; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:15:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C40B719BAF for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:15:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF86019B95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21214-01-96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C0EE19B92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 840847032; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:17:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B65700E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:17:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E01F172AC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:14:32 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40EBBE29.8090109@anvil.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:11:05 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: <714e74c5e31189a2ae4fcc645af2f9de@plan9.escet.urjc.es> In-Reply-To: <714e74c5e31189a2ae4fcc645af2f9de@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > more audio devices / different audio subsystem<> I haven't looked at the audio stuff yet: I was under the impression that it was basically soundblaster: what do you want that isn't there at the moment, Matt? > dual monitor support Well ... once you've done the dual-head case, you might as well generalise to an NxM matrix (seriously!), so you can define the physical layout (I might want one above the other to save desk space). > And you say a browser is complicated?. It is! Also, a browser is dependent on lots of other stuff. > Vga and audio... If you're careful, you avoid actual <>vga and soundblaster stuff and do it at a level above that<>. e.g. I can imagine a cons type "device" that spreads stuff across multiple screens. You can also simplify things by, for instance, insisting on identical resolutions/depths on all screens. > good luck. Gorka: we _all_ need good luck dealing with all the crazy h/w and s/w that's out there!:-) DaveL. From k1_god@hotmail.com Wed Jul 7 20:41:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 18:21:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 141a7df8_cff7_11d8_9ca3_00304828b574_4305; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:21:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5B73448AF for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:21:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13e40d2c_cff7_11d8_8a80_00304828b574_4302; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:21:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 681797580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:21:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB5A7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:21:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13a9641a_cff7_11d8_8b79_00304828b574_4297; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:21:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACF43448AF for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:21:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 12f03a12_cff7_11d8_8173_00304828b574_4293; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:21:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E4F319E09 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:21:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F3DD19C4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25855-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3F1D19BAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1Bi8V7-0007OF-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:14:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:12:57 GMT From: Reiko Ullmann Message-ID: <13bd193a.0407050823.6ac26209@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Distributed OS for nearly 30 Sun SparcStation5 + LX X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone,=20 we've nearly 30 Sun SparcStation 5 + LX here at the university of applied sciendes of berlin / germany amd want to run an distributed operating system (beside amoeba) on them. Can anybody suggest me an 'nati= ve' (means good 'group-supported' or documented) distributed os for the sparc= -arch=20 (Mach, Chorus, Plan9 or something else) ? Thanks a lot reiko From davide+receptionist@cs.cmu.edu Wed Jul 7 20:41:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 18:22:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2093e916_cff7_11d8_9296_00304828b574_5030; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EAF344A33 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 205d7e1c_cff7_11d8_9ced_00304828b574_5024; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5536E7580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:22:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BFC7580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 201e8b3a_cff7_11d8_84b7_00304828b574_4990; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AE5344A33 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:22:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f48a150_cff7_11d8_81fa_00304828b574_4916; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:22:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D85019E29 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:22:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A39E119C4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15512-02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9306719C4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1Bi8V7-0007OL-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:14:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:13:14 GMT From: David Eckhardt Message-ID: Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Advice on balky cardbus (#Y)? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is an old laptop (Samsung "SENS 810", 133 MHz Pentium, 40 meg RAM), but I got *two* of them for the same low, low price of zero... having spare parts makes the deal more attractive. Windows and Linux both see an i82365-compatible device at port 0xfcfc (Linux claims it's a PnP device, for whatever that's worth). PCI enumeration on this machine seems to go a little weird, with the Cardbus bridge (a Cirrus PD6729) turning up a gajillion times, though I have worked around that with judicious use of "*pcimaxdno=3". Because it seemed faster than building a kernel, I used a hex editor to ram 1013/1100 into the "variant" array in devpccard.c. The result is: #Y0: No interrupt? i8259enable: irq 0 shared but not level intrenable: couldn't enable irq 0, tbdf 0xC001800 for cardbus #Y0: Ricoh 476 PCI/Cardbus bridge, 0000FCFD intl 0 (it's not a Ricoh, that's just the array slot where I rammed in my vid/did). #Y contains only one file, cb0ctl, which contains "slot 0: SlotEmpty" no matter which slot I put my 3c589 Ethernet card into, so it seems like not having a valid IRQ for the bridge is a show-stopper. If I "*pcihinv=1" I get this: bus dev type vid did intl memory 0 0/0 06 00 00 8086 1235 0 0 1/0 06 80 00 8086 1234 0 0 2/0 03 00 00 1013 0038 255 0:fc000000 16777216 1:fd000000 16777216 0 3/0 06 05 00 1013 1100 255 >>From glancing at the code it seems as if the 255 is causing #Y to "inherit" the IRQ of 0 from the parent bus, and of course 0 isn't the wisest choice. Suggestions? Is it possible to override the IRQ information obtained by the PCI bus scan, or is that just not possible? What Linux says is Cirrus PD6729 PCI-to-PCMCIA at bus 0 slot 3, port 0xfcfc, 2 sockets ... ISA irqs (default): 3,4,5,7,8,10,11,12 polling interval = 1000 ms which makes it seem as if it's relying on fallback code for devices which can't be assigned an IRQ... Dave Eckhardt P.S. http://www.linux.com/howtos/PCMCIA-HOWTO-2.shtml mumbles something about The Cirrus PD6729 PCI controller has the fast_pci flag, which should be set if the PCI bus speed is greater than 25 MHz. Does that mean that the Cardbus driver would need to be taught to recognize the 6729 and how to set this flag? From brucee@chunder.com Wed Jul 7 20:41:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 19:52:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id af617670_d003_11d8_8c01_00304828b574_17445; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:52:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD908344BA5 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:52:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id af204704_d003_11d8_9972_00304828b574_17414; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:52:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8B3A47580FE; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:52:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369C87580FB for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:52:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aeb378e0_d003_11d8_94ba_00304828b574_17372; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:52:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278C9344B9C for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:52:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id adefb748_d003_11d8_979c_00304828b574_17208; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:52:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2F5919E17 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:51:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0EB519D00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08604-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4208319CF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11432 invoked by uid 89); 7 Jul 2004 10:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 10:51:34 -0000 Message-ID: <40EBD6C9.6030107@chunder.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 20:56:09 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: <3636b37d7a6b91f5aed13bef56b1ebce@proxima.alt.za> In-Reply-To: <3636b37d7a6b91f5aed13bef56b1ebce@proxima.alt.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu well i have no idea what to do. my personal inferno base is derived from the original '96 beta. diff'ing it with VN code just gives me headaches. it continues to work well on many devices - the original dis files still run-anywhere. ask me ... is it fun running inferno on a ps2. answer, yes. aske me ... can i give you the code. well, if i understood either license then i'd give you a better answer. brucee lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: >>i think brucee said, at some point, that research inferno had 'em. > > > Yeah, we keep hearing about them, but no one is making any attempt at > releasing the details so one can progress with it. > > ++L From matt@proweb.co.uk Wed Jul 7 20:41:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 19:54:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e081378_d004_11d8_8a48_00304828b574_19409; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:54:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B0D344BB8 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:54:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0dd6d45c_d004_11d8_935b_00304828b574_19406; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:54:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A7F477580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:54:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608817580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:54:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0d979f8a_d004_11d8_9011_00304828b574_19403; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:54:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73915344BB8 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:54:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0cec0756_d004_11d8_96a9_00304828b574_19400; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:54:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49FB919B75 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DBDE19D00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08604-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (unknown [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F9BA19B75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6a07576a3c6d3d78b47e476078f6999f@juice.thebigchoice.com> From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:57:04 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <40EBBE29.8090109@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I was under the impression that it was basically soundblaster: > what do you want that isn't there at the moment, Matt? PCI Soundblasters are hens teeth and I've never gotten AC97 to work in soundblaster mode USB audio doesn't always work I have to have a separate machine switched on to play mp3s is all dual monitor - can't ever have enough screen both same resolution would be a bit duff though I do like the NxM approach, be great to have arbitrary monitors plonked around the place I would say that a browser is at least a magnitude of complexity greater as there is too much out of your own control. I wouldn't even mind being forced into a single brand of sound card so long as I could actualyl buy the things m From stevemw@place.org Thu Jul 8 20:57:17 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 7 21:18:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b75b6e7e_d00f_11d8_8acc_00304828b574_28987; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:18:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504A5345292 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:18:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b725cf1c_d00f_11d8_828a_00304828b574_28957; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:18:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D8957580FA; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:18:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A827580F9 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:18:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b6e2bf88_d00f_11d8_99b8_00304828b574_28924; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:18:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA25A345292 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:18:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b635ae6a_d00f_11d8_95f0_00304828b574_28849; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:18:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B46F19EB5 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:18:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B47C519D31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27513-02-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zachs.place.org (unknown [65.163.18.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F60019BB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from place.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zachs.place.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FF718153 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:17:41 -0500 (CDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Stephen Wynne Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 07:17:41 -0500 Message-Id: <20040707121741.E1FF718153@zachs.place.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] I'm pulling sources, thanks everyone! X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen Wynne , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Some notes on what I had to do: http://www.place.org/~stevemw/plan9/setup.txt You'll all say this is obvious stuff. 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The question is: do we treat them as separate screens or as one huge screen? I much prefer the latter, since otherwise you can't have huge windows BUT ... > both same resolution would be a bit duff though If you don't have both screens the same resolution (and colour depth!), then the shenanigans needed to tessellate the screens become tedious. For example, if you slide a big window across the join onto a lower res. screen, you have to either lose some part of the window, or scale it (yuk!). Similarly moving the mouse and drawing windows across the join both become problematical (to say nothing of eyestrain inducing). > I do like the NxM approach, be great to have arbitrary monitors plonked around the place Exactly: when you've got enough width and height in your workplace, you can have 2x2 arrays of 19 inch screens: I've seen that done with X on a Sun, and it's WAAAAAY cool. (Also, if you gotta join them side-by-side, the extra work to do it up-down is not a lot). Dave. From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Thu Jul 8 20:57:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 01:59:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1c29f66_d036_11d8_8082_00304828b574_11187; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:59:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5728C3457DB for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:59:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f154b028_d036_11d8_89ff_00304828b574_11145; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:59:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 184057580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:59:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AE77580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:58:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f107da14_d036_11d8_94f8_00304828b574_11087; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:58:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACE83457DB for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:58:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f05d9b62_d036_11d8_99de_00304828b574_11083; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:58:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCFDA19EBE for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:58:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A7D219B08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19579-02-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3363D19AB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:58:34 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <40EC234B.40206@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > dual monitor - can't ever have enough screen A summer student did dual monitor support about 10 years ago. It was for a previous Plan 9 graphics model. It was done on the Carrera using the Carrera's own framebuffer and an ISA VGA card plugged in to the EISA bus (I think it was a Tseng ET4000 -based card); the framebuffer and VGA card had different resolutions but the same depth. It appeared as one large virtual screen. I saw it demonstrated but don't remember much more about it than that. From forsyth@vitanuova.com Thu Jul 8 20:57:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 02:50:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 234a681e_d03e_11d8_8255_00304828b574_25446; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E78E344D06 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 231496e4_d03e_11d8_9723_00304828b574_25443; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 28B017580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:50:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E2A7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:50:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22d7720a_d03e_11d8_93da_00304828b574_25440; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:50:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D5B344D06 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:50:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 222b3652_d03e_11d8_94c4_00304828b574_25437; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:50:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B61319EB7 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:50:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18B4619CFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24459-02-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 047F719CFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a74ef3889fb9d649f1d6017aad082c1@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:56:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: <40EBD6C9.6030107@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>well, if i understood either license >>then i'd give you a better answer. i take the usual jaundiced view of someone that with others has spent much time and treasure getting something sprung out of expensive trade-secret/product status, and spending even more time and treasure on it: yes, yes, it's not the GPL or BSD or MIT or ..., but especially when we now don't even charge for it, they should be bloody grateful they got it at all. nevertheless, each time someone complains in public or private i dutifully trot off and look again at the inferno licence(s) and frankly i see little difference in complexity between our Liberal one and any other, including Plan 9's Lucent Public one. it follows a standard licence form with with Licence Grant and Licence Restrictions/Conditions, and generally those are the key bits. 1.1 you can adapt it; 1.2 you can distribute it as source or binary provided you keep the licence and notices attached; 1.3 you can offer support etc. but that's nothing to do with us; make up your own agreement. clause 2, the Conditions, is similar in intent to parts of the GPL in requesting fair play: a recipient that uses what we provide as Free software is required to reciprocate (but only to the extent he further distributes things, as opposed to private use). its phrasing is tighter to prevent some known abuses of the GPL (dynamically-loaded binary modules, services only on a network.) there's probably a Plain English award to be had for simplifying it. i don't think we're being especially difficult. actually, there's a bigger potential glitch in this case, but it's nothing to do with Plan 9 so i'd better stop discussing it here! From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jul 8 20:57:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 03:10:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9208260_d040_11d8_8f02_00304828b574_9219; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 03:10:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D29344D60 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:10:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8e6df6a_d040_11d8_85c6_00304828b574_9215; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 03:10:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 02E297580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:10:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00847580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8a71e2a_d040_11d8_82d7_00304828b574_9212; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 03:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D552344D60 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:10:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7a7f97c_d040_11d8_87e9_00304828b574_9209; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 03:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C25DD19EFC for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:10:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1A6619ACD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11121-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 992E019CFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0f2191233b2a7bb1f6da28ff4d419c6f@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:09:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4a74ef3889fb9d649f1d6017aad082c1@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > especially when we now don't even charge for it, they should be bloody grateful > they got it at all We all are. That's for sure. But there will always be people paying more attention to licensing issues than to the system or the code itself. I suspect that's because they're not capable of understand or rework the latter two. I only ask myself why they did not become lawyers instead of engineers... (Hmm, perhaps they did ;-) ). I'd suggest just to skip this kind of comments, since they are mostly noise in the list, and just keep up the good work. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jul 8 20:57:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 04:00:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd6277d8_d047_11d8_9538_00304828b574_20359; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:00:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE3E344817 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:00:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd288276_d047_11d8_9827_00304828b574_20323; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:00:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CB8FB7580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:00:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8390B7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:00:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dcef631a_d047_11d8_926f_00304828b574_20317; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:00:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A46344817 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:00:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc3b420e_d047_11d8_860d_00304828b574_20245; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:00:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FCD219E51 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:59:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3904F19C2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07963-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8041B19BD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0d5923983aac24aa7a1bb189b982e6c2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:59:34 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <0f2191233b2a7bb1f6da28ff4d419c6f@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'd suggest just to skip this kind of comments, since they are > mostly noise in the list, and just keep up the good work. will brucee release his sources? i want to see the good work he's kept up for so long :) From boyd@sdgm.net Thu Jul 8 20:57:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 05:13:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 285a99fa_d052_11d8_80d7_00304828b574_18169; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:13:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBA634470C for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:13:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 282840ae_d052_11d8_9ba6_00304828b574_18164; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:13:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8C3207580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:13:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4406F7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:13:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27e69b0e_d052_11d8_8afd_00304828b574_18160; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:13:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5890E344704 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:13:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 273c0ca2_d052_11d8_9670_00304828b574_18156; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:13:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A889019E34 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:13:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F66619D00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08435-01-100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brahma.sdgm.net (brahma.sdgm.net [64.32.179.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD5C219BBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5fb4ea58b7dfe77167db73971c8572e5@sdgm.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:13:26 -0400 From: boyd@sdgm.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ip(3) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu this must be a typo, IP ports being 16 bit unsigned: brahma% diff /sys/man/3/ip $home/tmp 490c490 < Port numbers must be in the range 1 to 32767. --- > Port numbers must be in the range 1 to 65535. From boyd@sdgm.net Thu Jul 8 20:57:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 05:49:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33c415e6_d057_11d8_8edc_00304828b574_14231; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:49:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53227345434 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:49:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3392250e_d057_11d8_9e25_00304828b574_14226; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:49:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 34BB17580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:49:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1AD7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:49:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3350e92c_d057_11d8_84c9_00304828b574_14223; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:49:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41F3345434 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:49:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32a6ae9e_d057_11d8_8235_00304828b574_14220; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:49:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F04CE19E6E for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32B5C19D00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16035-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brahma.sdgm.net (brahma.sdgm.net [64.32.179.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 059F419BF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ab028dd4760bc876c83bf8f2c87be51@sdgm.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:34 -0400 From: boyd@sdgm.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] /sys/lib/tmac.bits X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu is there any doc or examples on this macro package? From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 05:57:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f2c77b4_d058_11d8_91e6_00304828b574_20565; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:57:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7775134433A for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:57:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ec802fc_d058_11d8_901d_00304828b574_20562; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:57:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5C0387580FE; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:57:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1BD7580FB for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:57:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e1dab40_d058_11d8_9a7e_00304828b574_20559; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:57:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C36C34433A for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:57:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4cba08ac_d058_11d8_9dd0_00304828b574_20541; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:57:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 727D519E05 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:57:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A373B19BBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16035-01-93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8203819BF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/lib/tmac.bits From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:57:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1ab028dd4760bc876c83bf8f2c87be51@sdgm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-jnjhqaokniufxobwfhmpejjiyo" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-jnjhqaokniufxobwfhmpejjiyo Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the top of the file doesn't look healthy, for a start: .ds Bp /usr/lib/btroff \" bitmap filter /usr/lib? btroff probably produced lots of helvetica dots. i've had success with man 6 mpictures --upas-jnjhqaokniufxobwfhmpejjiyo Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Wed Jul 7 21:53:26 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D795319E1B for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32B5C19D00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16035-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brahma.sdgm.net (brahma.sdgm.net [64.32.179.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 059F419BF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ab028dd4760bc876c83bf8f2c87be51@sdgm.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:49:34 -0400 From: boyd@sdgm.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] /sys/lib/tmac.bits X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu is there any doc or examples on this macro package? --upas-jnjhqaokniufxobwfhmpejjiyo-- From nickw@pobox.com Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 06:31:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f529689e_d05c_11d8_8540_00304828b574_18860; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:31:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436A3344413 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:31:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4f593d4_d05c_11d8_96ca_00304828b574_18829; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:31:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 265A67580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:31:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF807580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:31:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4b37eae_d05c_11d8_8b53_00304828b574_18820; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:31:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC210344413 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:31:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f404cf80_d05c_11d8_80bb_00304828b574_18747; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:31:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A13DE19E1D for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B317E19DE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25406-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puzzle.pobox.com (puzzle.pobox.com [207.8.214.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53EAD19DD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puzzle.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8C01393BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (adsl-50-100.swiftdsl.com.au [218.214.50.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by puzzle.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7E81393BA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:30:33 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Waples X-X-Sender: nickw@debian To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > dual monitor support Im currently having a go at this on the nvidia cards. Each head has its own view of the framebuffer, so it shouldnt be too hard. I can get either head working separately (as well as panning), so its just a matter of doing both at the same time now. Nick. From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 06:45:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f36018bc_d05e_11d8_9427_00304828b574_29912; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:45:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C24344A3D for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:45:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f301390a_d05e_11d8_85de_00304828b574_29909; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:45:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D5FF57580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:45:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D29A7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:45:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f29a3f3e_d05e_11d8_9841_00304828b574_29905; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:45:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EEE344A3D for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:45:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f19e8ac2_d05e_11d8_8d87_00304828b574_29902; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:45:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1932519E04 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:45:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FDF019DD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29597-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6693619CFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45aaaa0d4eacfaacb6f3f7c680bab51b@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:44:58 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/lib/tmac.bits In-Reply-To: <1ab028dd4760bc876c83bf8f2c87be51@sdgm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vfjusdayctcrpsdmhofglyercn" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vfjusdayctcrpsdmhofglyercn Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed Jul 7 16:49:59 EDT 2004, boyd@sdgm.net wrote: > is there any doc or examples on this macro package? ethel% ls -l /sys/lib/tmac/tmac.bits --rw-rw-r-- M 1240870 ken doc 1089 Nov 6 1990 /n/emelie/sys/lib/tmac/tmac.bits ethel% Looks like a dreg brought over from the 10th Edition UNIX when the Plan 9 filesystem was initially populated. Attached is the 10th Edition mbits(6) page. --upas-vfjusdayctcrpsdmhofglyercn Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=mbits.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit .if "\*(Bp"" .so /usr/lib/tmac/tmac.bits .TH MBITS 6 .CT 1 writing_troff .SH NAME mbits \- macros to typeset bitmaps .SH SYNOPSIS .B troff [ .I option ... ] .B -mbits [ .I option ... ] .I file ... .SH DESCRIPTION These macros are used to typeset bitmaps. They are compatible with other .I troff macro packages, so that bitmap figures may be included in documents. .TP "\w'\f5.BM \fIf s dX dY\fR'u+1m" \f5\&.BM \fIf\fR Set the format for subsequent \&.BM requests to .IR f . The default is .L b for .IR blitblt (9.1) output. The other possibility is .L i for faces and large icons in .SM ASCII format. .TP \f5\&.BM \fIf s\fR Insert the bitmap from file .IR f ; each pixel will be .I s basic units square. The bitmap origin is placed at the current point, which is left unchanged. .TP \f5\&.BM \fIf s dX dY\fR Set the number registers .IR dX " and " dY to the width and height (in basic units) of the bitmap in file .IR f , assuming pixel size .IR s . This form may be used to calculate positioning. .SH EXAMPLES .PP This sequence centers the bitmap and spaces past it to continue with the text: .PP .EX \&.BM i \&.BM /n/face/48x48x1/pjw 6 dX dY \&.sp \&.in (\en(.lu-\en(dXu)/2u \&.BM /n/face/48x48x1/pjw 6 \&.in \&.sp \en(dYu .if n .ig .sy echo >/tmp/pjw\n($$ -e '\ 0x0000,0x1FA0,0x0000,\\n0x0000,0x7FFC,0x0000,\\n0x0000,0xFEFF,0x0000,\\n\ 0x0001,0xBFBF,0xC000,\\n0x0001,0xEFFA,0xE000,\\n0x0002,0x00FF,0xF800,\\n\ 0x0002,0x007F,0xFF80,\\n0x0000,0x001F,0x7E00,\\n0x000C,0x001F,0xFFC0,' .sy echo >>/tmp/pjw\n($$ -e '\ 0x0000,0x0015,0xFFC0,\\n0x0030,0x001F,0xFFF0,\\n0x0070,0x000F,0xFEB0,\\n\ 0x00C0,0x0007,0xFFF8,\\n0x00E0,0x0007,0xFFE8,\\n0x01E0,0x0003,0xFFF8,\\n\ 0x03C0,0x0001,0xFFF8,\\n0x03E0,0x0001,0xFFF8,\\n0x07C2,0x8000,0xFFF0,' .sy echo >>/tmp/pjw\n($$ -e '\ 0x0FFA,0xF83F,0xBFF8,\\n0x0FE0,0x7C67,0xFFF8,\\n0x1FF1,0xEFF9,0x7FF8,\\n\ 0x1FF7,0xFFFF,0xFFF8,\\n0x1FF5,0xA4FF,0xFFF8,\\n0x1FD0,0x247F,0xFFF0,\\n\ 0x0FE0,0x8045,0xFFF0,\\n0x1FA0,0x0870,0x3FF0,\\n0x0320,0x0060,0xDFE0,' .sy echo >>/tmp/pjw\n($$ -e '\ 0x0B80,0x1030,0x1F80,\\n0x0181,0x601F,0xF780,\\n0x0085,0x405A,0x5F00,\\n\ 0x0000,0x0BFB,0xFF00,\\n0x0180,0x1FE8,0xEE00,\\n0x0380,0x07F2,0xBE00,\\n\ 0x0182,0x03D5,0xEFC0,\\n0x0080,0x0075,0x7F80,\\n0x01C1,0xD5DD,0x4F80,' .sy echo >>/tmp/pjw\n($$ -e '\ 0x00C1,0x57FF,0xFF80,\\n0x0040,0x0039,0x7F00,\\n0x0060,0x006B,0xCE00,\\n\ 0x0004,0x1FEB,0x6000,\\n0x0000,0x07FF,0xF800,\\n0x0002,0x0015,0xA000,\\n\ 0x0000,0x0057,0xC000,\\n0x0002,0x003F,0x4000,\\n0x0000,0x804B,0xC000,' .sy echo >>/tmp/pjw\n($$ -e '\ 0x0002,0xBBFE,0x8000,\\n0x0000,0x8FFB,0xC000,\\n0x0001,0x7ABF,0xC000,' .BM i .BM /tmp/pjw\n($$ 6 dX dY .sp .in (\n(.lu-\n(dXu)/2u .BM /tmp/pjw\n($$ 6 .sy rm -f /tmp/pjw\n($$ .in .sp \n(dYu .. .EE .SH FILES .F /usr/lib/btroff .SH SEE ALSO .IR blitblt (9.1), .IR troff (1), .IR bitfile (9.5), .IR ms (6) .SH BUGS At time of writing, .I mbits does not work with PostScript output devices. See .IR mpictures (6) for an alternative. .br .B \&.BM does not work inside a diversion. .br The concept of `pixel size' varies among typesetting devices. --upas-vfjusdayctcrpsdmhofglyercn-- From matt@proweb.co.uk Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 06:47:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 321a2156_d05f_11d8_9533_00304828b574_31268; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C5E344B70 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 31e34078_d05f_11d8_81c2_00304828b574_31231; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6285A7580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:47:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1652E7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 31a592aa_d05f_11d8_9ab9_00304828b574_31228; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200CD344B70 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:47:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 30ee4c26_d05f_11d8_8763_00304828b574_31147; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:47:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4EF1619CFE for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:47:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF53E19DE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26301-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (unknown [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33EDC19CFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b3a5c374db63824cfc947862a2c7d86@juice.thebigchoice.com> From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:49:28 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <40EC234B.40206@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> USB audio doesn't always work >Do we know whether it's buggy driver(s) or dodgy h/w? for me it's that USB doesn't even work on the motherboard I use as my terminal I have had audio come out of it with plan9 on a compliant motherboard I seem to recall multi monitor - My expectation would be that each display is a view on to a 2d bitmap and if you want me to shhot for the moon : I should be able to choose the zoom, scale, orientation and rotation of the viewport independently for each display, even if they overlap and at any time where I put my windows and the strain on my eyes should be my concern I never expect it to be done, really it should be the VGA card doing it. I wonder the the matrox parnhelion (sp?) works in plan9, it has 3 VGA outs and iirc pretends in Windows to be one big wide screen I want one anyway so we may yet find out matt From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 06:53:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0d1279ac_d060_11d8_9f75_00304828b574_3897; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:53:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA66A344D45 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:53:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ce0b296_d060_11d8_8b58_00304828b574_3894; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:53:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B9E817580FB; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:53:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A177580FA for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:53:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0c9f1fe8_d060_11d8_9cc1_00304828b574_3891; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:53:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842E3344D45 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0bf3463c_d060_11d8_84aa_00304828b574_3885; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDCA019E44 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:53:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57D7519CCE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26301-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DAD1719A87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:53:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5b3a5c374db63824cfc947862a2c7d86@juice.thebigchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>for me it's that USB doesn't even work on the motherboard I use as my terminal if it's UHCI it might be enough to add the vendor and device IDs to the driver. if it's OHCI it might be enough to do a fair bit of work From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 06:58:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cdfe3dd6_d060_11d8_9b73_00304828b574_7694; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:58:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84026344E37 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:58:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cdc92cd6_d060_11d8_8bc9_00304828b574_7691; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:58:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 73AB47580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:58:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2778A7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:58:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd8f3904_d060_11d8_8819_00304828b574_7688; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:58:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A52F344E37 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:58:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cce39d56_d060_11d8_94e1_00304828b574_7685; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:58:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7EE4019E62 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:58:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E38DC19DA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29597-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7AC3F19D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f44f80d8ce0cc17f171a309a15045bb@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/lib/tmac.bits From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:58:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <45aaaa0d4eacfaacb6f3f7c680bab51b@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >--rw-rw-r-- M 1240870 ken doc 1089 Nov 6 1990 /n/emelie/sys/lib/tmac/tmac.bits ^^^^^ i like that! From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 07:12:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cdeb161e_d062_11d8_8eac_00304828b574_19822; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 07:12:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59018345471 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:12:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cda86cd8_d062_11d8_9125_00304828b574_19819; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 07:12:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2EA007580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:12:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85107580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:12:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd662a6c_d062_11d8_8843_00304828b574_19816; 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Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34aaddf1258075d0ce631674d5c9fb49@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:12:32 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <5b3a5c374db63824cfc947862a2c7d86@juice.thebigchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I never expect it to be done, really it should be the VGA card doing it. > generalize it over several /dev/{draw,mouse,cons} so that you can import another machines' aux/vga-served files and build a random-sized desktop out of however many you've got, not having to depend on dual-head vga cards... i've always wanted to do it, just never had the time/guts :) okay, maybe just /dev/draw, unless you want one of those 'multiple users/single desktop' groupware thingamajigs. andrey From knapjack@gmail.com Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.181.19 with SMTP id d19mr166661rnf; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c062040707160130c6e39b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:01:50 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <34aaddf1258075d0ce631674d5c9fb49@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <34aaddf1258075d0ce631674d5c9fb49@plan9.ucalgary.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:12:32 -0600, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > okay, maybe just /dev/draw, unless you want one of those 'multiple > users/single desktop' groupware thingamajigs. Somewhere there's an interesting groupware project that does just that. Each user can have his/her own viewport on a single virtual screen, or can organize shared workspace with his/her "neighbors". The workspace can be zoomed out so that the group's work can be seen in a larger context, or windows can be moved into another user's workspace. There's also a similar project somewhere with a large videogame-style table where windows can be passed across/around the table and they orient themselves correctly to the table's edge. -Jack P.S. Made myself chuckle with the "his/her", wondering if there are actually any female Plan 9 users (not counting embedded devices). Any guesses how many Plan 9 users there are? Accounts on sources x 2? From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 08:12:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21cc13f2_d06b_11d8_885c_00304828b574_6656; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:12:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBD5344B75 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:12:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 219a4e1c_d06b_11d8_8324_00304828b574_6653; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:12:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 014FB7580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:12:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC027580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21588d06_d06b_11d8_9ffd_00304828b574_6650; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB017344B75 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:12:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 20ab4218_d06b_11d8_8fe3_00304828b574_6646; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6979119E41 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:12:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23B5019DE3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26606-02-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6B6819C4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2687d40c7f1605d09ed8a02f72709004@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:12:08 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <6e35c062040707160130c6e39b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Any guesses how many Plan 9 users there are? Accounts on sources x 2? the actual number is irrelevant since we, as a group, already worship a female deity -- glenda :) From brucee@chunder.com Thu Jul 8 20:57:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 08:26:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b8f336e_d06d_11d8_876d_00304828b574_17421; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:26:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F490344D98 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:26:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b5c7e88_d06d_11d8_844c_00304828b574_17418; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:26:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 81B247580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:26:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BF07580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:26:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b1b2b86_d06d_11d8_9593_00304828b574_17415; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:26:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A158344D98 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:26:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a6fbfd0_d06d_11d8_8f67_00304828b574_17410; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:26:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA90719E9C for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:26:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 604FF19B7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00488-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C6E5319B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6716 invoked by uid 89); 7 Jul 2004 23:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 23:26:18 -0000 Message-ID: <40EC87AE.9080004@chunder.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:30:54 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: <0d5923983aac24aa7a1bb189b982e6c2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> In-Reply-To: <0d5923983aac24aa7a1bb189b982e6c2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I will try and find time to put together a distribution. I'm rather busy at the moment but it should be done. brucee andrey mirtchovski wrote: >>I'd suggest just to skip this kind of comments, since they are >>mostly noise in the list, and just keep up the good work. > > > will brucee release his sources? > > i want to see the good work he's kept up for so long :) From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jul 8 20:57:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 08:27:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 352e1ae2_d06d_11d8_8f47_00304828b574_18312; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:27:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77CB344D6B for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:27:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 347e5580_d06d_11d8_9bff_00304828b574_18301; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:27:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EAE907580FD; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:27:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C0B758105 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:27:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 330f70e4_d06d_11d8_97fa_00304828b574_18281; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:27:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B585344D6B for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:27:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f25203c_d06d_11d8_9c90_00304828b574_18229; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:27:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3849019E0A for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:27:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29D3519B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02807-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.2.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 765A719CF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (imgw1 [136.159.5.9]) by ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i67NPL3f020307 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i67NPGpj029882 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:25:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:25:15 -0600 (MDT) From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <6e35c062040707160130c6e39b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <34aaddf1258075d0ce631674d5c9fb49@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <6e35c062040707160130c6e39b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Jack Johnson wrote: > Any guesses how many Plan 9 users there are? Accounts on sources x 2? > i'd say the number of accounts on sources overestimates the active Plan 9 population by about [ does `{9fs sources; wc -l /n/sources/adm/users} ] a 1300 :) From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Thu Jul 8 20:57:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 09:02:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29d5165a_d072_11d8_8a70_00304828b574_20553; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0890E3441AA for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 299936e4_d072_11d8_94e9_00304828b574_20546; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 12714758118; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:02:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE7C758110 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:02:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a5b3d8a_d072_11d8_99cd_00304828b574_20287; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:02:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C9734416D for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:54:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id faccc57a_d070_11d8_82c8_00304828b574_11004; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:54:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32D6519E7F for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:54:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2BE019B7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12805-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ECFC119C4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:54:02 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Jack Johnson wrote: > Any guesses how many Plan 9 users there are? Accounts on sources x 2? > We usually refer to them as the 9 fans. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 8 20:57:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 09:56:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 948bbcfe_d079_11d8_8bc3_00304828b574_31725; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:56:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBB6344ECF for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:56:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94563fca_d079_11d8_97b7_00304828b574_31722; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:56:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6F38D7580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:56:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2676D7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:56:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94165612_d079_11d8_9dff_00304828b574_31719; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:56:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38705344ECF for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 936a1050_d079_11d8_992b_00304828b574_31715; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3931B19DAA for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:55:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87BD619B16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15431-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC75A19CF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.230]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C721367195 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:55:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006601c46486$0e9222f0$e6fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <45aaaa0d4eacfaacb6f3f7c680bab51b@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/lib/tmac.bits Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:53:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From: > > is there any doc or examples on this macro package? ta. but it doen't really do what i want it to do and troff jobs are hard to find ;) From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Thu Jul 8 20:57:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 11:06:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6fc5e3a4_d083_11d8_881b_00304828b574_29586; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:06:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD09E344EBE for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:06:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f8f008c_d083_11d8_86ad_00304828b574_29583; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:06:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B7F5E7580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:06:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD4B7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:06:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f538138_d083_11d8_886e_00304828b574_29580; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:06:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81661344EBE for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:06:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ea838f0_d083_11d8_865e_00304828b574_29577; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:06:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D760419EAA for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:06:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F0AA19B64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17644-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC16919A66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6c08307518d4c9328b308190df577d0e@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:06:07 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ip(3) In-Reply-To: <5fb4ea58b7dfe77167db73971c8572e5@sdgm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Forgive me for including a 'personal message here. On Wed Jul 7 22:00:17 EDT 2004, boyd@sdgm.net wrote: > Either you're a spammer or I don't like you or I don't know you. > > Email me this rejected message with exactly this code: > > b247f1edf4cd7b9401aba8315f32d6b5 > > in the Subject: line and I'll decide if I'll add you to my list > of people I'll accept mail from. > > ---- Original Message ---- > > Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([204.178.31.2]) by brahma; Wed Jul 7 22:00:05 EDT 2004 > Message-ID: <295b1dc668a54a3c4a0ee0ec0c079feb@plan9.bell-labs.com> > Subject: 958dff697fde96319247a022ee90fb69 > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:00:03 -0400 > From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com > To: boyd@sdgm.net > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > i don't know if i can handle the rejection. > it cuts both ways. > > On Wed Jul 7 21:57:08 EDT 2004, boyd@sdgm.net wrote: > > Either you're a spammer or I don't like you or I don't know you. > > > > Email me this rejected message with exactly this code: > > > > 958dff697fde96319247a022ee90fb69 > > > > in the Subject: line and I'll decide if I'll add you to my list > > of people I'll accept mail from. > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > ... Now you'll never know. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 8 20:57:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 11:20:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 66266268_d085_11d8_9262_00304828b574_9342; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:20:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799C3344EFA for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:20:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65d273e2_d085_11d8_9ecb_00304828b574_9339; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:20:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 37A207580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:20:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E457E7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:20:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 657c9404_d085_11d8_9ae0_00304828b574_9336; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:20:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01351344EFA for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:20:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 64cfbbbc_d085_11d8_9f05_00304828b574_9333; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:20:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B391419E9C for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:20:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBBA319ABA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28799-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60A88199D9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.230]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0374D6725E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:20:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008201c46491$dd243670$e6fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6c08307518d4c9328b308190df577d0e@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] ip(3) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:18:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Forgive me for including a 'personal message here. yes, i broke that script and it fell off the pile. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jul 8 20:57:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 11:48:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4141506c_d089_11d8_96c2_00304828b574_4404; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:48:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEE834419E for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:48:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 410951da_d089_11d8_98cb_00304828b574_4395; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:48:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A63D9758104; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:48:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B877580FE for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:48:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a947258_d089_11d8_9b43_00304828b574_3668; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:48:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045D73442EF for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:41:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5df83e42_d088_11d8_883d_00304828b574_29226; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:41:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DD0519D55 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:41:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 269A919C9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28541-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 679F419A78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:40:22 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>>for me it's that USB doesn't even work on the motherboard I use as my terminal > > if it's OHCI it might be enough to do a fair bit of work I tried once, and gave up, because I did find I had to read thick manual... Kenji From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 8 20:57:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 11:48:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41c16fae_d089_11d8_96a8_00304828b574_4417; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:48:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977183441A2 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:48:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41875d00_d089_11d8_81d6_00304828b574_4410; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:48:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CF42D7580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:48:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C457580FC for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:47:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 392eceea_d089_11d8_992e_00304828b574_3561; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:48:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836E23441AE for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:39:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 16c14852_d088_11d8_98a7_00304828b574_27012; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:39:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2545E19E56 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:39:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C81319C9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29273-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D74D719A78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.230]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B018C67147 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <009401c46494$8f2b6620$e6fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6c08307518d4c9328b308190df577d0e@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] ip(3) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:37:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Forgive me for including a 'personal message here. hey jmk, cut the hair splitting and post to 9fans. 32k is just wrong, unless you have a better argument. From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jul 8 20:57:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 16:01:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b23d44c4_d0ac_11d8_9478_00304828b574_29957; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:01:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA89E344387 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:01:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b17edea8_d0ac_11d8_8652_00304828b574_29954; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:01:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B17287580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:01:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5F07580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:01:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b110c6de_d0ac_11d8_9e1e_00304828b574_29951; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:01:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B698344387 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:01:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b01164e6_d0ac_11d8_901c_00304828b574_29948; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:01:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C39119D49 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:01:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04D4C19B05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21522-01-92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D43719AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4006c3dfebd8808c076b25ea1128954f@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:01:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-yywubqeujnteskrkpmgigxvhzt" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-yywubqeujnteskrkpmgigxvhzt Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are users here that don't have sources accounts. Perhaps the same might happen at other sites :-) --upas-yywubqeujnteskrkpmgigxvhzt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Thu Jul 8 01:27:08 MDT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6427619E48 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:27:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29D3519B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02807-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.2.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 765A719CF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (imgw1 [136.159.5.9]) by ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i67NPL3f020307 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i67NPGpj029882 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:25:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:25:15 -0600 (MDT) From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <6e35c062040707160130c6e39b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <34aaddf1258075d0ce631674d5c9fb49@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <6e35c062040707160130c6e39b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Jack Johnson wrote: > Any guesses how many Plan 9 users there are? Accounts on sources x 2? > i'd say the number of accounts on sources overestimates the active Plan 9 population by about [ does `{9fs sources; wc -l /n/sources/adm/users} ] a 1300 :) --upas-yywubqeujnteskrkpmgigxvhzt-- From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jul 8 20:57:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 16:19:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 25f88980_d0af_11d8_9f3e_00304828b574_12009; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:19:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458F2344928 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:19:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 256764f0_d0af_11d8_83a4_00304828b574_12006; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:19:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 288EE7580FB; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:19:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8307580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:19:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2521f190_d0af_11d8_8291_00304828b574_12003; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:19:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCC3344928 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:19:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 246dc166_d0af_11d8_837e_00304828b574_12000; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:19:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 148E319E34 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:19:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CF9219AED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14259-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA03319ABA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i687Im04003654 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:18:50 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:16:53 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <0d5923983aac24aa7a1bb189b982e6c2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > will brucee release his sources? > > i want to see the good work he's kept up for so long :) Maybe he should just release the diffs relative to the then release of whatever (I haven't even figured out if it's Inferno or Plan 9, but the VN reference suggests Inferno) and shut us all up. Then we'll see what mettle the mailing list harbours. ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jul 8 20:57:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 16:31:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e251cca8_d0b0_11d8_839b_00304828b574_21869; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:31:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F07B3441E2 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:31:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1851456_d0b0_11d8_9a23_00304828b574_21860; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:31:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CA9A3758103; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:31:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728267580FF for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:31:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0606d46_d0b0_11d8_92e4_00304828b574_21839; 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Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i687UD04003841 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:30:15 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <87ff28cb622bd86abac5e770d5148463@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:28:19 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i'd say the number of accounts on sources overestimates the active Plan 9 > population by about [ does `{9fs sources; wc -l /n/sources/adm/users} ] > a 1300 :) Yep, they ought to have an expiry date and an e-mail notification. ++L From paurea@lsub.org Thu Jul 8 20:57:28 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 19:12:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5af5e5e8_d0c7_11d8_93fb_00304828b574_30438; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 19:12:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA62F344B97 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:12:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5866336e_d0c7_11d8_8946_00304828b574_30434; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 19:12:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9FAE47580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:12:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC7D7580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:12:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 58207ebe_d0c7_11d8_9412_00304828b574_30431; 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Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03588d5cb0a5109fa15fa34443da9b6e@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:12:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C3 hex) in message header 'From' From: Gorka Guardiola M\303\272zquiz List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > A summer student did dual monitor support about 10 years ago. > It was for a previous Plan 9 graphics model. It was done on the My own naive analysis :-). The problem with current graphic model is that it has to be done directly at the level of VGA driver (if I understand it well) or really high level using libdraw and sharing video rectangles and mouse and keyboard events between multiple machines over the net. There are to ways of doing it using hardware. Using a VGA bridge or different cards. Using a bridge means one has to contend with the different ways VGAs use VGA bridges, in which some resources are shared (DAC, registers, resolutions) and some not it is normally limited to the number of video bridges/outputs of the card. That is easy to do for one card model, but difficult in general. It has the advantage of being able to use it with a laptop which is what I use as terminal now :-). I don't know how difficult it is to use multiple VGA cards (even if they are equal). Sharing resources across the net means using more than one CPU and using the net which is costly in money and fan noise. What path would you choose and why?. G. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 8 20:57:29 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 8 20:38:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46215f38_d0d3_11d8_8d52_00304828b574_5805; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:38:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD061345058 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:38:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45e99f1c_d0d3_11d8_813c_00304828b574_5802; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:38:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 93B3D7580FA; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:38:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF227580F9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:38:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45ab9d70_d0d3_11d8_81fa_00304828b574_5761; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:38:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDEC345058 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:38:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 44cfe9ce_d0d3_11d8_8b38_00304828b574_5671; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:38:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24E9419E73 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:37:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C87CC19AA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27130-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C872019A80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.230]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DABB673BD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:37:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00e001c464df$b7f6dcb0$e6fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <03588d5cb0a5109fa15fa34443da9b6e@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:35:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Sharing resources across the net means using more than one CPU and using the net > which is costly in money and fan noise. i agree with andrey. each monitor+vga should be a seperate device and they can be imported like anything else that talks 9P. to group them together as one virtual display should be done by abstraction. From vdharani@infernopark.com Fri Jul 9 13:19:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 03:18:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3916be72_d10b_11d8_986d_00304828b574_26604; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:18:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4C6345310 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:18:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 38e02740_d10b_11d8_8542_00304828b574_26601; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:18:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 81BB97580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:18:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCBC7580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:18:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 38992f0c_d10b_11d8_94f7_00304828b574_26598; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:18:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A26345310 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:18:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37c75c20_d10b_11d8_9531_00304828b574_26594; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:18:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B424219CBC for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:18:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8754519AEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00389-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DF5B19AED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i68NQHam021839 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:26:17 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:26:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <6a07576a3c6d3d78b47e476078f6999f@juice.thebigchoice.com> References: <40EBBE29.8090109@anvil.com> <6a07576a3c6d3d78b47e476078f6999f@juice.thebigchoice.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:26:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> I was under the impression that it was basically soundblaster: >> what do you want that isn't there at the moment, Matt? > > PCI Soundblasters are hens teeth and I've never gotten AC97 to work in > soundblaster mode > USB audio doesn't always work i recently tried with many audio cards/devices but most of my efforts failed. after carefully going thru the mailing lists, i bought some audio devices. - the first one i tried was USB Sound Blaster (MP3+) Go USB device. plan = 9 didnt recognize it. win2k recognized it and was able to play audio throug= h it without any additionaly software. - the second one i tried is Xitel Pro Hifi-Link. plan 9 seemed to recognize it although not consistently. it complained that it cannot set the volume (but i could see /dev/audio and /dev/volume, etc). when i trie= d to play some audio, i couldnt hear anything. not sure where the problem is. again, this one worked well with win2k without any additional software. - frustrated, i tried with an old soundblaster card (really old full size ISA card) that i had used it earlier. this one played like half-music/half-noise. not sure if i should have tried other options but = i didnt proceed further. - next, i used a half size ISA soundblaster card. luckily, i noticed that the bios(?) displayed the irq and dma channels. i configured accordingly and it worked fine. - next, i used another old half size PCI soundblaster (i think it is SB16 PCI) card. this just didnt work. after going thru the details, i realized that this is ENSONIQ PCI sound card actually (ensoniq was bought by creative?) that i have had troubles with earlier also. yes, getting the audio to work in plan 9 is very troublesome. if someone knows how to get the USB audio working in plan 9, please let m= e know. thanks dharani From paurea@lsub.org Fri Jul 9 13:19:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 03:25:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 34b7fa7a_d10c_11d8_8811_00304828b574_521; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:25:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF5C345338 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:25:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 34842880_d10c_11d8_8541_00304828b574_517; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:25:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B092E7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:25:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FE47580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:25:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3445a3c6_d10c_11d8_8c94_00304828b574_514; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:25:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77700345338 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:25:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3397d3f4_d10c_11d8_9158_00304828b574_509; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:25:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD1D319C41 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:25:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4219B19B05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16662-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sailu.dat.escet.urjc.es (gsyc031.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C36D19AF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3235d84121b9b5c454f48cfa6a1722d9@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:25:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C3 hex) in message header 'From' From: Gorka Guardiola M\303\272zquiz List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > if someone knows how to get the USB audio working in plan 9, please let me > know. We are using here Genius usb speakers. Nemo did work on the driver (I think mainly to be able to recognize the buttons they have for the volume), though I don't know if the changes reached sources. G. From sape@plan9.bell-labs.com Fri Jul 9 13:19:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 03:34:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7583a512_d10d_11d8_8a0c_00304828b574_7296; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD4F34535A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75523158_d10d_11d8_95b9_00304828b574_7293; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E2F3F7580FB; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:34:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997087580FA for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:34:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7510d8e8_d10d_11d8_9f04_00304828b574_7290; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:34:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A933534535A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:34:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 746336d4_d10d_11d8_9ddd_00304828b574_7287; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:34:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAAC919E45 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:34:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BBB119B35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05637-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B253F19B05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <80547680d99613e656e0289625210f5b@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:34:08 -0400 From: Sape Mullender In-Reply-To: <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > if someone knows how to get the USB audio working in plan 9, please let me > know. I wrote the first cut at the USB audio driver. There is a standard for USB audio that some devices obey. Our driver implements a subset of that standard. The standard specifies a bunch of audio components inside a USB audio device. There are USB inputs and outputs, speakers, microphones, line-in, line-out, and other ports, volume controls, treble/bass controls, switches, mixers, equalizers and so on. The list is endless. Each component connects to other components. When starting up, you need to read the `descriptors' for each of the components, find out the interconnections and discover the internal topology (if you want to know which volume control controls playback volume, you've got to study the topology). Buttons on a USB device are usually just buttons that you can read. You have to find out what the buttons mean by reading more descriptors. Writing a generic USB audio driver that can tackle arbitrary USB devices is not a trivial task, especially if you only have one or two devices to try out on. I can successfully drive Philips Model DSS 370/17 USB speakers, the Xitel AN-1, Xitel MD and Edirol UA-3. I tried a Roland device that turnen out to be completely non standard, haven't tried anything else. Sape From vdharani@infernopark.com Fri Jul 9 13:19:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 03:35:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f1f0a02_d10d_11d8_9080_00304828b574_8100; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:35:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF690345360 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:35:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8ee7e004_d10d_11d8_9a84_00304828b574_8097; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:35:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DB6E07580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:35:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918957580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:35:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8ead2f7c_d10d_11d8_95e4_00304828b574_8094; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:35:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24F2345360 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:35:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8e002fde_d10d_11d8_80a7_00304828b574_8091; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:35:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBBF919DA8 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:35:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F82C19C34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05637-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1765519B94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i68NhEam021988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:43:14 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:43:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <8974.192.11.226.116.1089330194.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <3235d84121b9b5c454f48cfa6a1722d9@plan9.escet.urjc.es> References: <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> <3235d84121b9b5c454f48cfa6a1722d9@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:43:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >> >> if someone knows how to get the USB audio working in plan 9, please le= t >> me >> know. > > We are using here Genius usb speakers. Nemo did work on the driver (I > think mainly to be > able to recognize the buttons they have for the volume), though I don't > know if the changes > reached sources. can you tell me the model no. and any other details with it? thanks dharani From paurea@lsub.org Fri Jul 9 13:19:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 03:43:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9781a72_d10e_11d8_9373_00304828b574_14361; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:43:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845043453B8 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:43:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b94372fe_d10e_11d8_9faf_00304828b574_14358; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:43:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 704AF7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:43:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277B27580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:43:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9097090_d10e_11d8_9a7d_00304828b574_14355; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:43:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF393453B8 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:43:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b8573cea_d10e_11d8_9928_00304828b574_14352; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 03:43:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D46C19C41 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:43:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21DE719B5E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00389-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sailu.dat.escet.urjc.es (gsyc031.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B8FF19B35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:43:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8974.192.11.226.116.1089330194.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C3 hex) in message header 'From' From: Gorka Guardiola M\303\272zquiz List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> >>> >>> if someone knows how to get the USB audio working in plan 9, please let >>> me >>> know. >> >> We are using here Genius usb speakers. Nemo did work on the driver (I >> think mainly to be >> able to recognize the buttons they have for the volume), though I don't >> know if the changes >> reached sources. > > can you tell me the model no. and any other details with it? > The model is SP-M06U they are Genius USB speakers. I have made a diff with our usb directory and they are the same. So any change nemo made must be on sources. G. From bwc@coraid.com Fri Jul 9 13:19:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 04:11:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 992da878_d112_11d8_9fdc_00304828b574_8136; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:11:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247FE3441A9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:11:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98d9d914_d112_11d8_8343_00304828b574_8130; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:11:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 73993758102; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:11:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DBD7580FC for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:11:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 90d1cb78_d112_11d8_9223_00304828b574_7674; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:11:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF02B3445EE for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:05:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bc0d5970_d111_11d8_85f3_00304828b574_1862; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:05:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21F8719DE4 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:05:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C63E19B3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22099-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [209.179.94.82]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF68319B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5bf0e5a7a3dbd4beb21bb004959f2011@coraid.com> To: sape@plan9.bell-labs.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu Jul 8 14:34:36 EDT 2004 Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Brantley Coile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > if someone knows how to get the USB audio working in plan 9, please let me > know. I wrote the first cut at the USB audio driver. There is a standard for USB audio that some devices obey. Our driver implements a subset of that standard. The standard specifies a bunch of audio components inside a USB audio device. There are USB inputs and outputs, speakers, microphones, line-in, line-out, and other ports, volume controls, treble/bass controls, switches, mixers, equalizers and so on. The list is endless. Each component connects to other components. When starting up, you need to read the `descriptors' for each of the components, find out the interconnections and discover the internal topology (if you want to know which volume control controls playback volume, you've got to study the topology). Buttons on a USB device are usually just buttons that you can read. You have to find out what the buttons mean by reading more descriptors. Writing a generic USB audio driver that can tackle arbitrary USB devices is not a trivial task, especially if you only have one or two devices to try out on. I can successfully drive Philips Model DSS 370/17 USB speakers, the Xitel AN-1, Xitel MD and Edirol UA-3. I tried a Roland device that turnen out to be completely non standard, haven't tried anything else. Sape From bwc@coraid.com Fri Jul 9 13:19:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 04:11:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9fef8262_d112_11d8_8575_00304828b574_8221; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:11:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A606D34417C for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:11:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9fb94530_d112_11d8_92dc_00304828b574_8218; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:11:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 33B877580FB; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:11:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65538758101 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:11:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ef83868_d112_11d8_877c_00304828b574_8212; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:11:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B9834417C for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:11:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 90654fd4_d112_11d8_87bc_00304828b574_7673; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:11:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB21319E60 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:11:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D390219B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16788-01-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [209.179.94.82]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48A6A19B3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Brantley Coile Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:06:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] sorry X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Fat finger. Powerfull acme. Sorry for reposting Sape's email. 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off : -1; From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Fri Jul 9 13:19:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 11:08:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dfbc0c96_d14c_11d8_95cb_00304828b574_9407; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:08:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A0E3447D4 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:08:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df759446_d14c_11d8_9fa9_00304828b574_9400; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:08:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 474ED7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:08:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AE27580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:08:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df38dc86_d14c_11d8_83f2_00304828b574_9397; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:08:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC0B3447D4 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:08:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de87b6f4_d14c_11d8_82bb_00304828b574_9391; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:08:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6077019D15 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:08:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAA9F19B85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00345-02-75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B697519B19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCC724FD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 55B4A27; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:08:06 -0400 From: "William K. Josephson" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20040709020806.GA49912@mero.morphisms.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9 ports X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have pushed a more recent copy of the CVS repository to the CVS Web server on exokernel.lcs.mit.edu and updated the tarball on swtch.com. I don't have access to enough different machines to test adequately, but the changes should be fairly small. Complaints and patches to me. -WJ From ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz Fri Jul 9 13:19:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 11:25:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4df733a0_d14f_11d8_8d2a_00304828b574_23074; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:25:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7519D344EB5 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:25:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4dc449e0_d14f_11d8_9edd_00304828b574_23071; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:25:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 29B7F7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:25:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA5B7580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:25:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d626216_d14f_11d8_8491_00304828b574_23068; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:25:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC45344EB5 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:25:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4cb5a0d0_d14f_11d8_9c9a_00304828b574_23065; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:25:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBBE419C0F for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:25:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F61F19BAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23763-02-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kaukau.mcs.vuw.ac.nz (kaukau.mcs.vuw.ac.nz [130.195.5.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73CC319B85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from square-affair.mcs.vuw.ac.nz (square-affair.mcs.vuw.ac.nz [130.195.5.170]) by kaukau.mcs.vuw.ac.nz (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i692PF3C027496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:25:19 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by square-affair.mcs.vuw.ac.nz (8.12.11/8.12.9) id i692PFPv009070 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:25:15 +1200 (NZST) From: Nick Jamieson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:25:14 +1200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407091425.15192.ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9 laptop X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi. I shall buy a laptop soon and I'd like to run plan9 on it with support for the graphics card, mouse, modem, ethernet card and sound card -- in that order of preference. I'm assuming that the cpu, memory, keyboard, etc. are likely to be compatible ;) I have not had success with the modems or the sound cards in any of the computers I have used for plan9 so far. That is, I am not confident that I could make these work on a laptop for which this is possible. Therefore, I may not recognize a compatible laptop when I see one ;) Is there a kernel configuration and a collection of shell scripts that I could try on a prospective laptop to test for compatibility? Many thanks, Nick From vdharani@infernopark.com Fri Jul 9 13:19:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 12:17:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b38e20c_d156_11d8_8ab8_00304828b574_5593; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:17:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5E0344642 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:17:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8aa8a21e_d156_11d8_89ad_00304828b574_5590; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:17:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 079937580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:17:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2097580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:17:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a61c290_d156_11d8_9cd9_00304828b574_5587; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:17:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0284344642 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:17:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89b4d3be_d156_11d8_8bb7_00304828b574_5584; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:17:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E372519C59 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:17:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13A7819AF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23554-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FEFC19A7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i698Peam024456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:25:40 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:25:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32791.67.85.61.176.1089361540.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <200407091425.15192.ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz> References: <200407091425.15192.ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:25:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 laptop From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I shall buy a laptop soon and I'd like to run plan9 on it with support = for > the > graphics card, mouse, modem, ethernet card and sound card -- in that or= der > of > preference. I'm assuming that the cpu, memory, keyboard, etc. are likel= y > to > be compatible ;) > as far as i know IBM Thinkpad T23 model is one that runs plan 9 well and recognizes most of the devices you said. of course there are variations within t23 but still any t23 is better than other laptops as far as plan = 9 is concerned. > I have not had success with the modems or the sound cards in any of the > computers I have used for plan9 so far. That is, I am not confident tha= t I > could make these work on a laptop for which this is possible. Therefore= , I > may not recognize a compatible laptop when I see one ;) > > Is there a kernel configuration and a collection of shell scripts that = I > could > try on a prospective laptop to test for compatibility? i dont think there is one such thing. in general, i would attempt to use the bootable CD or try to install plan 9. in the process, i can check wha= t best screen resolution and depth i can get. then the network interface. then modem and sound card. CPU, memory and keyboard should be fine, i think. a new laptop of your choice + vmware is also not a bad idea. thanks dharani From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jul 9 14:53:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 14:22:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eee7de50_d167_11d8_82d3_00304828b574_20653; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:22:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2778E34557F for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:22:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee8e7fea_d167_11d8_8d68_00304828b574_20619; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:22:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0929B7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:22:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA96D7580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee51d176_d167_11d8_954f_00304828b574_20613; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7AF34557F for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:22:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed9bfed2_d167_11d8_9d90_00304828b574_20528; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5ABC819BC6 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:22:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B0F1E19AB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00596-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACB8119A64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i695LGE9008425 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:21:20 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <8d4a4c1fe658b9ce6b6b05f740444a52@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:19:19 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > - the first one i tried was USB Sound Blaster (MP3+) Go USB device. plan 9 > didnt recognize it. win2k recognized it and was able to play audio through > it without any additionaly software. Is anyone else interested in the USB side of Plan 9? Well, forsyth and jmk excluded, I have little doubt they are. I believe a good case can be made to concentrate on USB as the preferred interface for Plan 9 (yes, I know that vendors break the standard more often than not, but I believe they will document the breakage if properly persuaded :-) and that we have the skills and interests here to make progress in that direction. And Plan 9 is as close to ideal for the task as one can get. In fact, in the light of rminnich's suggestions, it would make sense to define a mini-OS for USB off the Plan 9 base and I'd be interested in spawning a separate mailing list (member posts only, while we're at it) to investigate this. Somehow, I feel that the main 9fans list would dilute the effort (it's also a cynic's paradise and that is not constructive, for all the entertainment value). Anyone else feels this way? Then 9usb would seem an appropriate name and OHCI and EHCI would be amongst the objectives. Lobbying the USB org and the vendors would also be a useful goal, I think. ++L From geoff@collyer.net Fri Jul 9 20:00:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 14:54:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ceda060_d16c_11d8_90ef_00304828b574_17060; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:54:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747093442D5 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:54:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6c84a506_d16c_11d8_805c_00304828b574_17054; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:54:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0BA7A758100; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:54:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780237580FA for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:54:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a2479bc_d16c_11d8_9101_00304828b574_17018; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:54:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A207A34453F for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:48:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a30af388_d16b_11d8_99ea_00304828b574_10715; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:48:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B784E19B63 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:48:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FB4419B54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00596-01-59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5731819B05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6a263ece94ca821dcf381a1896043c65@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Geoff Collyer Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:48:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: <8d4a4c1fe658b9ce6b6b05f740444a52@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm not sure that a mini-OS makes sense; I'd rather just see the standard USB support improve. A good first step would be to gather together all the available USB documentation, starting with the actual on-the-bus protocols and programming the host interfaces (OHCI, UHCI, etc.). That will be a fearsome pile, alas. The first obstacle to using USB for storage devices is that USB 1 is slow and USB 2 (the original USB 2, not the USB 1 that has been renamed to USB 2) is fast enough but requires new code to run OHCI interfaces (yes, that's redundant). From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jul 9 20:00:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 15:08:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 701b4498_d16e_11d8_95c6_00304828b574_30549; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:08:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257CB3448BC for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:08:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6fe7f8b8_d16e_11d8_9c6e_00304828b574_30544; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:08:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0AC7A7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:08:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39A57580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:08:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f9e033e_d16e_11d8_9fc5_00304828b574_30540; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:08:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFFA3448BC for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:08:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ec4664c_d16e_11d8_976a_00304828b574_30533; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:08:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A055719D30 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:08:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F155A199D7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27562-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2ADE19BB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i6967mE9008629 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:07:53 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:05:52 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <6a263ece94ca821dcf381a1896043c65@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'm not sure that a mini-OS makes sense; I'd rather just see the > standard USB support improve. A good first step would be to gather > together all the available USB documentation, starting with the actual > on-the-bus protocols and programming the host interfaces (OHCI, UHCI, > etc.). That will be a fearsome pile, alas. I have such a thing, the paper version is not even luggable. > The first obstacle to using USB for storage devices is that USB 1 is > slow and USB 2 (the original USB 2, not the USB 1 that has been > renamed to USB 2) is fast enough but requires new code to run OHCI > interfaces (yes, that's redundant). Huh?! You are not serious, are you? I was under the impression that matching the 480Mhz bus speed of 2.1 would be hard to do, what with the need to poll devices. But I am not speaking form a position of knowledge, most of what I know is very superficial. What I did figure out, is that 2.1 uses EHCI and falls back to OHCI for the slower speeds. It makes it look like OHCI suffices, but then the speed is nowhere near as fast as the real thing. Good enough for a suprprising number of products, but one feels a little cheated. I know NetBSD is still developing EHCI but seem to have a working version of OHCI (and UHCI, of course). I don't know where Linux is at, or Windows, for that matter. BTW, the Bluetooth spec (for comparison purposes) is 1200 pages, which is not trivial. Fortunately, that includes details the average developers won't need, but it is still a bit much, specially when my immediate interest is to drive a USB/Bluetooth device :-( As for the mini-OS, it is a very vague idea, but it caught my imagination. My foggy image is of a xen-like thing at the core of things and the guest OSes knowing how to talk to each other in a 9P fashion. 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Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:46:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 330DC19D9E for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:46:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 149B119BA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09718-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CF1819B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f87546d33e316d70df89e414dc2e003@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:45:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8d4a4c1fe658b9ce6b6b05f740444a52@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is anyone else interested in the USB side of Plan 9? Well, forsyth > and jmk excluded, I have little doubt they are. I am. We have a student proyect to write an initial version for a usb bt device. We have included some HID devices, including processing for a touch screen, a little bit of improvement for usb mouse devices and usb keyboards. I think I sent it all to sources. In any case, I'll be writting drivers as I need them. If anyone else is going that way, I'm willing to help depending on my time availability. From capt.nemo@gmail.com Fri Jul 9 20:00:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 17:47:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a0b32d1c_d184_11d8_88b1_00304828b574_7492; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:47:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883F33441AB for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:47:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a07822c6_d184_11d8_9292_00304828b574_7489; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:47:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3F3FE7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:47:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7290C758102 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9fd1f5e0_d184_11d8_9cad_00304828b574_7486; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6533441AB for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:47:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d19747c_d184_11d8_817f_00304828b574_7457; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:47:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52CCE19CE5 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:47:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8FA019BFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03778-02-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85D8A19B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 laptop From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:47:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <32791.67.85.61.176.1089361540.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > a new laptop of your choice + vmware is also not a bad idea. The tiny vaios used by paurea and kleal here are really cool. They use vmware to run Plan 9 on it. I just love them (the vaios ;-) ). From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 9 20:00:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 18:11:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f494f57a_d187_11d8_85a0_00304828b574_26612; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:11:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E5F34496B for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f45d863a_d187_11d8_9867_00304828b574_26608; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id ABE987580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:11:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6379B7580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f421361c_d187_11d8_9034_00304828b574_26605; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D9C34496B for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:11:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f375dcd6_d187_11d8_8d27_00304828b574_26602; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:11:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 888D019D36 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:11:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D27C719BA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07540-02-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 44A2619A6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9767ac855cf323df18d84b56a0d1d923@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:09:45 +0900 In-Reply-To: <9f87546d33e316d70df89e414dc2e003@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > for a usb bt device. What is this device? I've thought you are in diving this summer, too. Kenji From paurea@lsub.org Fri Jul 9 20:00:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 18:12:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 19bd6b70_d188_11d8_9944_00304828b574_27401; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231FF34496C for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 198611ac_d188_11d8_80f6_00304828b574_27398; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0F3727580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:12:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6CF7580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:12:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 194c000c_d188_11d8_9273_00304828b574_27395; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:12:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED9134496C for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:12:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 18a1317c_d188_11d8_8d15_00304828b574_27392; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:12:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 107DF19C50 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:12:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B56C519BCD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07540-02-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sailu.dat.escet.urjc.es (gsyc031.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0321A19B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f4354d367e6fbaa94a2a4cab32e313c@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:12:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9767ac855cf323df18d84b56a0d1d923@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C3 hex) in message header 'From' From: Gorka Guardiola M\303\272zquiz List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> for a usb bt device. > > What is this device? > > I've thought you are in diving this summer, too. Bluetooth dongle. G. From geoff@collyer.net Fri Jul 9 20:00:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 18:16:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a34674ae_d188_11d8_8486_00304828b574_30597; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:16:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B0334497A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:16:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a315a2c0_d188_11d8_9a9e_00304828b574_30594; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:16:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C2CCC7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:16:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE097580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:16:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a2d4b242_d188_11d8_9a9c_00304828b574_30591; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:16:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900DE34497A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:16:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a229eb00_d188_11d8_8360_00304828b574_30588; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:16:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EED1919DE4 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:16:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A237B19BAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14561-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAC2719B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Geoff Collyer Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:15:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm afraid that I am serious about USB 2 needing OCHI code (unless the OCHI interface is compatible with the UCHI interface, but I can't believe we'd be so lucky with PC hardware). I haven't been tracking USB recently, so I hadn't heard about 2.1 and ECHI, but my understanding is that UHCI can only drive USB 1 devices, and that USB 2 devices require OHCI interfaces to get the increased speed (480Mb/s for 2.0 also). I suppose one could look at the *BSDs to see how different the various USB interfaces are. The USB folks haven't quite got around to re-inventing IBM 360 channel programs, as far as I know, but they're getting there. I suppose somebody will eventually have the clever idea of a simple, direct I/O interface addressed as though it were memory. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jul 9 20:00:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 18:28:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5bd6f9fc_d18a_11d8_9e11_00304828b574_8721; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:28:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FEC3449F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:28:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ba0a0b4_d18a_11d8_97a3_00304828b574_8718; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:28:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EA8657580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:28:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A9B7580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:28:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5b66ce0c_d18a_11d8_9cc9_00304828b574_8715; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:28:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74423449F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:28:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ab2e432_d18a_11d8_935f_00304828b574_8712; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:28:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDE0519DF3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:28:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A503F19BAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13427-02-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 511F119B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i699RgE9009445 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:27:49 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <1df49ca90762af86ffcb01ec2f50ea44@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:25:43 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'm afraid that I am serious about USB 2 needing OCHI code (unless the > OCHI interface is compatible with the UCHI interface, but I can't > believe we'd be so lucky with PC hardware). I haven't been tracking > USB recently, so I hadn't heard about 2.1 and ECHI, but my > understanding is that UHCI can only drive USB 1 devices, and that USB > 2 devices require OHCI interfaces to get the increased speed (480Mb/s > for 2.0 also). I suppose one could look at the *BSDs to see how > different the various USB interfaces are. As I read the spec, a 2.0/2.1 (maybe I got this last one wrong - in fact, it is USB 1.1 and USB 2.0) controller has to be able to address 1.1 devices and it seems that implementations do this by providing a 1.1 controller (OHCI seems to be the norm, I don't think it is superior to UHCI) as well as a 2.0 controller. The latter is apparently EHCI exclusively. I have only encountered this on PCI buses where it seems to me that the OHCI device stands independently of the EHCI one. As for getting clever, I think the desire to spawn new industries dovetails too well with the idea of standardising everything and the kitchen sink into a single norm. Thus simplicity is not the objective. At least not until the economics change. ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jul 9 20:00:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 18:33:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 020e6b2a_d18b_11d8_97e0_00304828b574_12684; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:33:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31FA345043 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:33:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 01dbc3dc_d18b_11d8_8860_00304828b574_12681; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:33:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C576E7580FB; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:33:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EF87580FA for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:33:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 01a03f4c_d18b_11d8_85b8_00304828b574_12678; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:33:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9F9345043 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:33:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 00ecf1ee_d18b_11d8_8b6c_00304828b574_12674; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:33:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F37E219CE0 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:33:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B6B419C03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13427-02-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 560BB19BFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i699WZE9009483 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:32:41 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:30:37 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <9f87546d33e316d70df89e414dc2e003@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I am. We have a student proyect to write an initial version > for a usb bt device. We have included some HID devices, including > processing for a touch screen, a little bit of improvement for usb mouse > devices and usb keyboards. I think I sent it all to sources. > In any case, I'll be writting drivers as I need them. If anyone else > is going that way, I'm willing to help depending on my time availability. What I would dearly like to see is a forum where USB+Plan 9 related issues are discussed as they arise so that interested parties do not go about reinventing USB wheels. The final product is great, but the learning that goes into it oughtn't to be lost. Mind you, I'm only repeating what EJ Dijkstra suggested in 1969 or thereabouts ("A Discipline of Programming"). But I certainly would appreciate an archived mailing list as a record of developments. I'm assuming that the Plan 9 developers would find little solace in any existing USB mailing lists. ++L From capt.nemo@gmail.com Fri Jul 9 20:00:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 19:07:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d28d48f8_d18f_11d8_8eaa_00304828b574_11433; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:07:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAB434430A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:07:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d259721c_d18f_11d8_9821_00304828b574_11430; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:07:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CE8DB758106; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:07:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3D0758101 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:07:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d000d0c8_d18f_11d8_9a0b_00304828b574_11402; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:07:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04AE34430A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f17ba9e0_d18e_11d8_9931_00304828b574_4634; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:01:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA97D19D6C for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:01:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C91019C03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03138-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 86EA919BD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:59:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > What I would dearly like to see is a forum where USB+Plan 9 related > issues are discussed as they arise so that interested parties do not > go about reinventing USB wheels. The final product is great, but the > learning that goes into it oughtn't to be lost. Go ahead, I think that this list can be used for that. It's a 9fans issue, isn't it? From capt.nemo@gmail.com Fri Jul 9 20:00:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 19:08:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e3df09a2_d18f_11d8_934e_00304828b574_12322; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:08:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CB9344363 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:08:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e3a832f6_d18f_11d8_99ac_00304828b574_12317; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:08:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EFDD3758108; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:08:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010B67580FC for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:08:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e204e458_d18f_11d8_931d_00304828b574_12216; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:08:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091713449AE for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:01:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fe3b3fba_d18e_11d8_83e0_00304828b574_4764; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:01:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F30C519CF9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:01:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4CB7519BD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13390-02-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9DA219BA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b3b1b9d03cafe55b0b7672adc722582@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:01:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1f4354d367e6fbaa94a2a4cab32e313c@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> I've thought you are in diving this summer, too. You can bet. I'll become a divemaster this summer :-) Sadly, my aladdin does not run Plan 9, so this might be off topic. From geoff@collyer.net Fri Jul 9 20:00:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 19:12:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7cb11c24_d190_11d8_98e6_00304828b574_15945; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:12:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282A33449B3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:12:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c7ec206_d190_11d8_8a02_00304828b574_15942; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:12:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 090DE7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:12:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62AC7580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:12:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c3ee5dc_d190_11d8_80a0_00304828b574_15939; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:12:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C480F3449B3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b905b34_d190_11d8_9901_00304828b574_15936; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:12:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B824919CD0 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:12:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B013A19BA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04940-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3AC419B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1afc3ca5d80c7130d54cdd41d9805836@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Geoff Collyer Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:11:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1df49ca90762af86ffcb01ec2f50ea44@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Too many acronyms and it's been a while since I read USB docs. I think OHCI and UHCI were competing USB 1 interfaces. One was from Intel and appears on lots of motherboards; I'm guessing that that's UHCI, since that's what Plan 9 currently supports. EHCI must be the USB 2 interface I was thinking of. I started a proposal for sane software interfaces to hardware. I don't understand the fetish for software controller and bus interfaces. From my perspective, that's all peripheral hardware overhead and not of much real interest to software, at least in the common case. I'd like to have essentially the same interface to a disk drive, whether it's reached via ISA and IDE or PCI and SCSI or PCI and USB. And I really don't care who makes the SCSI card. All the stuff between the OS and the device is just plumbing. If we built household plumbing the way we build computer systems, you'd have to know the intimate details of every elbow joint between the sewer and your toilet in order to flush it. On another topic, A Discipline of Programming isn't that old; its copyright date is 1976. I inherited my copy from a friend who found it impenetrable. I didn't get very far with it either. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jul 9 20:00:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 19:29:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6537de2_d192_11d8_8865_00304828b574_29690; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:29:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84083345196 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:29:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6215402_d192_11d8_81d7_00304828b574_29685; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:29:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 66A367580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:29:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1F17580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:29:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5e05af6_d192_11d8_897f_00304828b574_29682; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:29:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D79F345199 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:29:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d529d02e_d192_11d8_850e_00304828b574_29674; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:29:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34C5019CD0 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:29:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C398B19C0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04940-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4935519A12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i69ASTE9009967 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:28:36 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <9845fd89f2b71ab39811835f0e9be044@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:26:31 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <1afc3ca5d80c7130d54cdd41d9805836@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] A Discipline of Programming X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > On another topic, A Discipline of Programming isn't that old; its > copyright date is 1976. I inherited my copy from a friend who found > it impenetrable. I didn't get very far with it either. Could this be a New World/Old World issue? I found the book hard to assimilate, but the individual topics (I no longer have my copy) extremely interesting. I assumed I did not have sufficient theoretical background to make the most of it. The more pragmatic New World approach to programming, epitomised by the C language, is much more approachable, but has its own drawbacks (I suspect that Perl is precisely where that road leads). No doubt there is a middle road, but it is not in widespread use yet (Limbo?). ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jul 9 20:00:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 19:37:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed1420b2_d193_11d8_83a2_00304828b574_3634; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:37:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0CD34558D for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:37:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ecdf571a_d193_11d8_9705_00304828b574_3604; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:37:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5C9BD7580F9; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:37:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009AE758102 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:37:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb90e31a_d193_11d8_9b42_00304828b574_3429; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:37:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0417734558F for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:37:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea40ffea_d193_11d8_90bf_00304828b574_3351; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:37:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6681C19D49 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:37:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4EB4919A98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04940-01-74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62F3419A93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i69AaIE9010051 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:36:24 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <56cf6b7b6176d2a7d381d7d8d91e1896@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:34:20 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <1afc3ca5d80c7130d54cdd41d9805836@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I think OHCI and UHCI were competing USB 1 interfaces. One was from > Intel and appears on lots of motherboards; I'm guessing that that's > UHCI, since that's what Plan 9 currently supports. EHCI must be the > USB 2 interface I was thinking of. I'm sure there are others whose knowledge is greater than mine, but they must be asleep as no one has shouted at me yet :-) I have both UHCI and OHCI specs (and EHCI, believe or not). I haven't yet been able to read both (either, really, I only superficially read the UHCI one) and so I don't know how they differ: Universal (Intel) and Open (Compaq, of all names, but all USB designers at the time seem to have had a hand in this one). I have a feeling that OHCI has superseded UHCI in practice, possibly because of its appearance in all EHCI implementations. But I'm guessing and my experience is not very broad. As for EHCI, by volume the specification does not seem much greater than OHCI, but I'm sure there lurks some serious complication somewhere in its innards. ++L From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jul 9 22:34:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 20:21:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 115bdf22_d19a_11d8_80b1_00304828b574_8397; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:21:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60E634428E for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:21:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0f303c8e_d19a_11d8_86cf_00304828b574_8158; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:21:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2C93B7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:21:01 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E50C7580FF for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:20:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0defceca_d19a_11d8_9148_00304828b574_8011; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:21:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CED344A22 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:18:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c66062a4_d199_11d8_9bb0_00304828b574_5856; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:19:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB65B19E27 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:18:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3C8619B39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20102-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D61D19B1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.230]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 21185671DE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:18:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <01ff01c465a6$3b77f3f0$e6fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7b3b1b9d03cafe55b0b7672adc722582@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:16:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Sadly, my aladdin does not run Plan 9, so this might > be off topic. i did hear that intel put a wireless web brower thing in a surfboard. From nigel@9fs.org Fri Jul 9 22:34:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 20:22:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39611b2c_d19a_11d8_93ff_00304828b574_9779; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:22:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0D5344576 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 38b258c6_d19a_11d8_8392_00304828b574_9703; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 165EC7580FC; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:22:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E707580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:22:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37c2862a_d19a_11d8_9102_00304828b574_9623; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:22:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFA1344A12 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:19:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d7577016_d199_11d8_82c2_00304828b574_6761; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:19:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AAB519D3D for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:19:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE7AA19C08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20102-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nietze.cachelogic.com (unknown [212.44.43.80]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80F2E19B1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amavis by nietze.cachelogic.com with scanned-ok (Exim 4.30) id 1BitD8-0002qO-Cd for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:06:34 +0000 Received: from cronus.saviso.com ([192.168.0.86]) by nietze.cachelogic.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BitD7-0002qH-S5 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:06:33 +0000 Message-ID: <40EE7F2A.70104@9fs.org> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:19:06 +0100 From: Nigel Roles User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: <56cf6b7b6176d2a7d381d7d8d91e1896@proxima.alt.za> In-Reply-To: <56cf6b7b6176d2a7d381d7d8d91e1896@proxima.alt.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: >>I think OHCI and UHCI were competing USB 1 interfaces. One was from >>Intel and appears on lots of motherboards; I'm guessing that that's >>UHCI, since that's what Plan 9 currently supports. EHCI must be the >>USB 2 interface I was thinking of. >> >> > >I'm sure there are others whose knowledge is greater than mine, but >they must be asleep as no one has shouted at me yet :-) > >I have both UHCI and OHCI specs (and EHCI, believe or not). I haven't >yet been able to read both (either, really, I only superficially read >the UHCI one) and so I don't know how they differ: Universal (Intel) >and Open (Compaq, of all names, but all USB designers at the time seem >to have had a hand in this one). I have a feeling that OHCI has >superseded UHCI in practice, possibly because of its appearance in all >EHCI implementations. But I'm guessing and my experience is not very >broad. > >As for EHCI, by volume the specification does not seem much greater >than OHCI, but I'm sure there lurks some serious complication >somewhere in its innards. > > > OHCI has not superceded UHCI. It's simply that UHCI came first and was designed by Intel so appeared in the chipsets first. OHCI came later, and took longer to make silicon. VIA in particular made OHCI based chips, so bit by bit OHCI took off. It is a better specification, requiring less activity in the interrupt handlers to decide what to do. Also, bandwidth limiting (if you want to get into that) is easier to do with OHCI. Or, rather, UHCI is missing a level of sophistication compared to OHCI, so the first step in writing a UHCI driver is to introduce some OHCI-like structures to make up the deficit. There is no fundamental reason why UHCI style silicon could not support USB 2.0, if you turn the clock speed up. I imagine, though I don't know, that those organisations keen to promote USB 2.0 just preferred to develop OHCI because the already had silicon IP in that style. I've not looked at EHCI, though I doubt there is much which changes things. I've written an OHCI driver for non PCI (i.e. embedded) silicon for an operating system not unlike Plan 9; it's not mine to give away. The first thing I would lay my hands on is a USB bus analyser. Really, honestly, you will save an order of magnitude in development time and your sanity. Despite the bad impression early drivers gave (i.e. Win95), USB is easy. It does what is says on the tin, and there are few gotchas. The bus just works. However handling hot plugging, and attachment of device specific drivers in a manner which is bomb-proof is harder. Unless things have changed recently, the Plan 9 approach with the namespace and usbd is too simplistic on account of having been developed in the early days of USB when things were very clean. Choosing which of the multiple interfaces and configurations available to use is unfortunately unavoidable, so I have felt for a time that a new driver architecture is required, whether or not the underlying hardware is UHCI, OHCI, EHCI, or just ICKY. From bwc@coraid.com Fri Jul 9 22:34:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 21:42:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81e34342_d1a5_11d8_9118_00304828b574_19008; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:42:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506CC3442C3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:42:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81abb670_d1a5_11d8_8f18_00304828b574_18992; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:42:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 098AD758108; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:42:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A74B7580FD for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:42:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c845aee_d1a5_11d8_91f1_00304828b574_18928; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:42:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8EC344155 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:41:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 43c78550_d1a5_11d8_85a0_00304828b574_17530; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:41:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F051019E44 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:41:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14BAC19C19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12516-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [209.179.94.82]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 525E019BA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <239b02548abf81a01e884444aa9482bf@coraid.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Brantley Coile Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:36:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] icky specs X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Anyone have a pointer to where on the web I can get a copy of the *CHI specs? Brantley From rminnich@lanl.gov Fri Jul 9 22:34:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 21:45:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id db778742_d1a5_11d8_849c_00304828b574_21446; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:45:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1973443AD for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:45:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id db40dde6_d1a5_11d8_9e30_00304828b574_21440; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:45:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7BDAF7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:45:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5FF7580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:45:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id db05b37e_d1a5_11d8_8564_00304828b574_21434; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:45:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5183443AD for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:45:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da58b8d6_d1a5_11d8_9554_00304828b574_21425; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:45:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7890A19C53 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:45:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B34219C19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12516-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8676719B39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69Cj6Cp022862 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:45:06 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69Cj5VU025535 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:45:05 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69Cj5wO018991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:45:05 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:45:04 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <6a263ece94ca821dcf381a1896043c65@collyer.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Geoff Collyer wrote: > I'm not sure that a mini-OS makes sense; I'd rather just see the > standard USB support improve. it was more of a "now that you have virtual machines you could do this" idea. I have no idea if it makes sense. ron From rminnich@lanl.gov Fri Jul 9 22:34:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 21:47:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17bb0fbc_d1a6_11d8_9ad7_00304828b574_22885; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:47:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB30B3443C0 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:47:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17879bd2_d1a6_11d8_8141_00304828b574_22852; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:47:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8CFED7580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:47:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F857580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:47:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1749b10a_d1a6_11d8_804e_00304828b574_22845; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:47:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575C03443C0 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 169bb7f8_d1a6_11d8_9553_00304828b574_22774; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F19219CE5 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:47:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B13E919C24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12516-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 233F719C1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69CkoCp022968 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:46:50 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69Cko24006623; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:46:50 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69CklwO019035; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:46:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:46:46 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > As for the mini-OS, it is a very vague idea, but it caught my > imagination. My foggy image is of a xen-like thing at the core of > things and the guest OSes knowing how to talk to each other in a 9P > fashion. Is that totally absurd? that's the idea, and I think it is quite intriguing. I'm hoping to have the Xen port done but Xen 2.0 is coming out, interfaces are changing, so I have some rework to do. ron From nigel@9fs.org Fri Jul 9 22:34:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 9 22:23:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33a928bc_d1ab_11d8_9520_00304828b574_19462; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:23:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05498345078 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:23:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3372634a_d1ab_11d8_8dca_00304828b574_19459; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:23:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E4D757580FA; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:23:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADE37580F9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:23:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 333759c6_d1ab_11d8_821f_00304828b574_19455; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:23:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD423345078 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:23:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 328b40d2_d1ab_11d8_8f8e_00304828b574_19452; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:23:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3732919DA3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:23:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F84219C68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01256-02-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nietze.cachelogic.com (unknown [212.44.43.80]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE09119C3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amavis by nietze.cachelogic.com with scanned-ok (Exim 4.30) id 1Biv9L-0003IR-O9 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:10:47 +0000 Received: from cronus.saviso.com ([192.168.0.86]) by nietze.cachelogic.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Biv9L-0003IK-77 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:10:47 +0000 Message-ID: <40EE9C47.7040302@9fs.org> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:23:19 +0100 From: Nigel Roles User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] icky specs References: <239b02548abf81a01e884444aa9482bf@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: <239b02548abf81a01e884444aa9482bf@coraid.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Brantley Coile wrote: >Anyone have a pointer to where on the web I can >get a copy of the *CHI specs? > > Brantley > > > http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/ Well well, I took a cursory look at EHCI, and it's an Intel spec., which admits to fixing a lot of USB 1.1 host controller issues (i.e. those specific to UHCI). Most of the changes relate to reducing the overhead I/O load. This is achieved by allowing descriptors to reference more and bigger buffers. (UHCI or OHCI) reads in-memory descriptors to decide what to do for each endpoint. These are chained and there can be as many of them as the driver designer chooses. It always worried me that there must be a limit as to how many of these can be walked before the chip runs out of time to make a decision. Evidently, at 480mbps, it became a real issue. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jul 10 08:49:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 00:02:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fbd77d86_d1b8_11d8_8e8c_00304828b574_7947; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506A43455B8 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fba1042c_d1b8_11d8_965c_00304828b574_7944; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3D3BF7580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EF97580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fb67bc9e_d1b8_11d8_9159_00304828b574_7941; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0756D3455B8 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fabbdf28_d1b8_11d8_90f4_00304828b574_7938; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7085719EBF for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:02:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAF8219C02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15717-01-25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36C1D19BD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 laptop Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:01:51 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i'm in a similar situation so i > would like hear from you, too... > > ++pac the ibm laptops from the T series are good. -- T21, T23, T30 are the ones i have personally tried. the T30 has a radeon card which should work with Philippe Anel's drivers just fine. From capt.nemo@gmail.com Sat Jul 10 08:49:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 00:06:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 82aa52b6_d1b9_11d8_8003_00304828b574_10900; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:06:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868453455C3 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:06:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8275ab74_d1b9_11d8_9582_00304828b574_10863; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:06:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 66FA77580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:06:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1EA7580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:06:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8235c950_d1b9_11d8_9128_00304828b574_10860; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:06:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7563455C3 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:06:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81891d54_d1b9_11d8_8b80_00304828b574_10786; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:06:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0641919E0A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:06:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B33C919CCB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15717-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31B7D19CE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 laptop From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:05:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > the T30 has a radeon card which should > work with Philippe Anel's drivers just fine. Are there any vga drivers outside sources? I mean, we don't have too many cards, even if there is no entry by default in pcdisk, why dont we include all the drivers we have in the std distribution? Perhaps this is already done, and I'm just aslept... From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jul 10 08:49:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 00:24:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 087b83b8_d1bc_11d8_80cc_00304828b574_29065; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:24:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70A034424C for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 082eb312_d1bc_11d8_9cec_00304828b574_29030; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 296C875810A; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:24:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7F87580FB for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:24:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 05ba7d0a_d1bc_11d8_80eb_00304828b574_28759; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:24:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9989344A80 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:17:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13b05462_d1bb_11d8_89fb_00304828b574_21522; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:17:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F29FE19E89 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:17:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7761A19CE8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20080-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2ED2B19CCB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 laptop Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:17:03 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> the T30 has a radeon card which should >> work with Philippe Anel's drivers just fine. > > Are there any vga drivers outside sources? > I mean, we don't have too many cards, even if there is no entry > by default in pcdisk, why dont we include all the drivers we have in > the std distribution? > Perhaps this is already done, and I'm just aslept... I think there's a licensing (oops, said the L-word again) issue with the radeon drivers, since they were derived from XFree86, which prevents them from being included into plan9 on sources. that's how i'd explain it. it may be a good idea to have the driver in the installation CD kernel, even though the sources aren't distributed. From knapjack@gmail.com Sat Jul 10 08:49:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 01:11:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id afae6d3e_d1c2_11d8_9dc0_00304828b574_3088; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:11:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53ABB3452A9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:11:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id af5ce306_d1c2_11d8_956b_00304828b574_3085; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:11:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 34EA57580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:11:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FFC7580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:11:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id af15133c_d1c2_11d8_868b_00304828b574_3082; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:11:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E664E3452A9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae687eec_d1c2_11d8_9de8_00304828b574_3079; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:11:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E47B819DA3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:11:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26F7519C7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14558-01-74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 563DC19C3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d15so149868rng for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.208.57 with SMTP id f57mr29679rng; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c062040709091143128502@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:11:17 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A Discipline of Programming In-Reply-To: <9845fd89f2b71ab39811835f0e9be044@proxima.alt.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9845fd89f2b71ab39811835f0e9be044@proxima.alt.za> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:26:31 +0200, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > No doubt there is a middle road, but it is not in widespread use yet > (Limbo?). It's a stretch of the imagination to call me a programmer, and I'm not familiar with the book, but I think there are good examples out there of the middle of the road, and Limbo is one. I used to program in Oberon (which is less popular in the New World, especially back when I was doing it), and certain aspects of using it that I always enjoyed I find in Java and Limbo and a handful of other languages now, and even languages like Python bring an interesting flavor to the mix. It's not so much the middle of the road, but that so much lands firmly either in the practical or the theorhetical that when you find something well done *and* handy it's a novelty. I think the C represented in Plan 9 is not the C you find elsewhere (or at least anymore), and the Plan 9 folk (philosophy?) has done a nice job of striking that balance. Even some of the earlier trash-talking around the Links web browser code comes back to this subjective idea of what C is and should be. Unfortunately, the practicality of the New World also means that we don't always value history, because next week it'll be Visual Basic 2008 and GTK++ with all of it's inherited baggage, and a thousand otherwise bright programmers will either reinvent the wheel to avoid the horrors (or the history), or slap another patch on the middens of the previous generation to keep the wheel turning. -Jack From tom@insolvencyhelp.org Sat Jul 10 08:49:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 01:51:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28530902_d1c8_11d8_9dfc_00304828b574_6188; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:51:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6621C344178 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:51:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 281d1338_d1c8_11d8_8bd0_00304828b574_6182; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:51:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DCD577580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:50:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729C37580FF for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:50:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 24923a68_d1c8_11d8_850e_00304828b574_6115; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:50:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A035F34462D for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:44:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49cf100e_d1c7_11d8_9cfa_00304828b574_31660; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:44:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C46519E89 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:44:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B65719CE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20080-02-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40BB1199E0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aluminum.miller.net (h0004e267c13e.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.91.163.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004070916442501500hun3ee>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:44:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:03:05 -0400 From: "Thomas Miller" Organization: InsolvencyHelp.Org To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 ports Message-ID: <40EEC1B9.nailF711H483@insolvencyhelp.org> References: <20040709020806.GA49912@mero.morphisms.net> In-Reply-To: <20040709020806.GA49912@mero.morphisms.net> User-Agent: nail 10.7 3/19/04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Thomas Miller , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu "William K. Josephson" wrote: > I have pushed a more recent copy of the CVS repository > to the CVS Web server on exokernel.lcs.mit.edu and updated > the tarball on swtch.com. I don't have access to enough > different machines to test adequately, but the changes should > be fairly small. Complaints and patches to me. > > -WJ If you wish, we probably can arrange for you to have access to my machines running NetBSD on i386, macppc, and hpcmips. There would be some futzing as they are not all up 24/7 and minor version updating might be required. Also, you would need to make generous allowance for the limitations of the resident administrator. :-) Kindest regards, Tom From 9nut@9netics.com Sat Jul 10 08:49:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 01:51:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b20bbfc_d1c8_11d8_9100_00304828b574_6528; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:51:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226AA344178 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:51:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2aee97d0_d1c8_11d8_9876_00304828b574_6511; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:51:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C938975810F; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:50:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73284758101 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:50:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2492898c_d1c8_11d8_8eb2_00304828b574_6119; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:50:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6814F3446A7 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:45:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7366305a_d1c7_11d8_9abc_00304828b574_412; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:45:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A141319D29 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:45:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70D9E199E0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24718-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 827F119CE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <993f67a355873c6dfbfd3deddd8f4c40@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:45:43 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <01ff01c465a6$3b77f3f0$e6fb7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> Sadly, my aladdin does not run Plan 9, so this might >> be off topic. > > i did hear that intel put a wireless web brower thing in a surfboard. is it prone to wipe out? From knapjack@gmail.com Sat Jul 10 08:49:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 01:58:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a7b256a_d1c9_11d8_9f55_00304828b574_12461; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:58:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F6F344AC9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:58:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a403f5e_d1c9_11d8_946a_00304828b574_12452; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:58:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5C3917580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:58:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0165B7580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:58:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29f58540_d1c9_11d8_92cc_00304828b574_12442; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:58:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AE3344AC9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:58:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2922a972_d1c9_11d8_93fe_00304828b574_12344; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:58:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4FBC919E9B for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:58:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD19B19B57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09637-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0CE5419B00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d15so153654rng for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.208.57 with SMTP id f57mr35270rng; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c06204070909578cc2ad1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:57:48 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:05:52 +0200, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > What I did figure out, is that 2.1 uses EHCI and falls back to OHCI > for the slower speeds. It makes it look like OHCI suffices, but then > the speed is nowhere near as fast as the real thing. Good enough for > a suprprising number of products, but one feels a little cheated. I > know NetBSD is still developing EHCI but seem to have a working > version of OHCI (and UHCI, of course). I don't know where Linux is > at, or Windows, for that matter. > > BTW, the Bluetooth spec (for comparison purposes) is 1200 pages, which > is not trivial. Fortunately, that includes details the average > developers won't need, but it is still a bit much, specially when my > immediate interest is to drive a USB/Bluetooth device :-( > > As for the mini-OS, it is a very vague idea, but it caught my > imagination. My foggy image is of a xen-like thing at the core of > things and the guest OSes knowing how to talk to each other in a 9P > fashion. Is that totally absurd? There's an interesting interview with one of the Apple engineers that mentions some of his ideas surrounding Rendezvous / zeroconf and the idea that 10Mbit Ethernet chipsets are cheaper than USB controllers and easier to program. Rather than having USB, he thinks it would be nice to have another Ethernet jack and a mini hub or switch to replace your USB hub and your keyboard, mouse, printer, etc. autoconfigure on a network local to your box, speak open protocols, and use a single cabling system. In that kind of environment, I could easily see Plan 9 or Inferno as the embedded OS for a suite of networked devices, and even that might be overkill. Though it doesn't help in the short term, I would much rather see something like a CerfCube (even running WinCE) with all my USB devices plugged into it and then imported into my Plan 9 system rather than deal with the local USB chipsets and standards. Let someone with cash deal with the mess and just end-run the problem. -Jack From rminnich@lanl.gov Sat Jul 10 08:49:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 05:39:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 230f9f1c_d1e8_11d8_92c6_00304828b574_1000; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:39:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F65345701 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:39:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22dd1a06_d1e8_11d8_9ca5_00304828b574_994; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:39:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5DBBE7580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:39:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113147580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:39:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 229b98d8_d1e8_11d8_9b09_00304828b574_989; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:39:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210CB345701 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:39:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21ee0d76_d1e8_11d8_9348_00304828b574_983; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:39:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 160C019EE3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:39:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5696F19D07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21496-01-89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8364519B86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69KdRCp011930 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:39:27 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69KdRVU023214; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:39:27 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69KdPwO009084; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:39:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:39:24 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204070909578cc2ad1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: lucio@proxima.alt.za X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Jack Johnson wrote: > > There's an interesting interview with one of the Apple engineers that > mentions some of his ideas surrounding Rendezvous / zeroconf and the > idea that 10Mbit Ethernet chipsets are cheaper than USB controllers > and easier to program. Rather than having USB, he thinks it would be > nice to have another Ethernet jack and a mini hub or switch to replace > your USB hub and your keyboard, mouse, printer, etc. autoconfigure on > a network local to your box, speak open protocols, and use a single > cabling system. yes, USB is a train wreck and an unnecessary one at that. All they had to do was add power wires to enet and all would have been well. But we're stuck with USB. Look around and you can see all the junk running on it. It would be nice if Plan 9 could play. ron From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jul 10 08:49:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 05:49:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 83fe630c_d1e9_11d8_9201_00304828b574_10624; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:49:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1B33445A4 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:49:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81b68a52_d1e9_11d8_9f62_00304828b574_10612; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:49:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E4C117580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:49:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA147580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:49:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 816bc7ba_d1e9_11d8_9981_00304828b574_10606; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:49:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787CA3445A4 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:46:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e2c477a_d1e9_11d8_9584_00304828b574_7319; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:46:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39E7D19E45 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:46:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D744F19D07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22837-01-79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3810C19B86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.230]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B7AC37B83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:46:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004301c465f5$6fa2ce30$e6fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:43:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > yes, USB is a train wreck and an unnecessary one at that. All they had to > do was add power wires to enet and all would have been well. yup. aren't there two spare on an RJ-45 or am i thinking ISDN S/T bus? From rminnich@lanl.gov Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 05:55:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 57cfe8ae_d1ea_11d8_9a0f_00304828b574_17188; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:55:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABB83443A7 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:55:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 57980236_d1ea_11d8_8ff3_00304828b574_17181; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:55:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AE6697580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:55:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718D97580FE for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:55:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 558195d4_d1ea_11d8_8575_00304828b574_17153; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:55:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7121A344A7B for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:49:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8394ab74_d1e9_11d8_8ee9_00304828b574_10620; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:49:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7628419DC0 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:49:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A8CE19A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01638-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DC4419A28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69KnRCp013618 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:49:27 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69KnQ1p018422 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:49:26 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i69KnQwO009532 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:49:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:49:25 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <004301c465f5$6fa2ce30$e6fb7d50@SOMA> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, boyd, rounin wrote: > yup. aren't there two spare on an RJ-45 or am i thinking ISDN S/T bus? yes, the trick is making it all work right with the hardware on the boards. But it was possible. Universal Serial Bus can be scrambled to spell: Hubris 'R Us. ron From knapjack@gmail.com Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 05:59:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3ee9296_d1ea_11d8_8342_00304828b574_21467; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:59:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D7834420C for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:59:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3b9782c_d1ea_11d8_84e3_00304828b574_21429; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:59:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 24C0E75810F; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:59:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA10758108 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:58:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cb53575c_d1ea_11d8_96b9_00304828b574_20702; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:58:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B0A344D2F for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:52:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da54d362_d1e9_11d8_97e5_00304828b574_13630; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:52:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 034A419D07 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:52:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62A4419B91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22837-01-90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E0ADE19A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d15so171170rng for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.40 with SMTP id p40mr207851rnb; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c0620407091351b4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:51:56 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <004301c465f5$6fa2ce30$e6fb7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <004301c465f5$6fa2ce30$e6fb7d50@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:43:45 +0200, boyd, rounin wrote: > > yes, USB is a train wreck and an unnecessary one at that. All they had to > > do was add power wires to enet and all would have been well. > > yup. aren't there two spare on an RJ-45 or am i thinking ISDN S/T bus? Two spare pair, actually. And there's an official standard for power over Ethernet: IEEE802.3af -Jack From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 06:00:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f6352ea0_d1ea_11d8_8434_00304828b574_22445; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D4C3441EF for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5ee55d4_d1ea_11d8_9d4b_00304828b574_22437; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 009D97580FF; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AEB758111 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f134c442_d1ea_11d8_9ec6_00304828b574_21841; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1C03441EF for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:54:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23f1103a_d1ea_11d8_8793_00304828b574_15882; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:54:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B448519DAD for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:54:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD1D119C3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01638-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rhome.plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1799A19B91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:52:18 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Look around and you can see all the junk running on it. sometimes the things running on it are just too weird: http://www.raymondsnest.com/flick/archives/tooth1-thumb.jpg wonder why the dependency on USB? From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 06:00:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f6773354_d1ea_11d8_8557_00304828b574_22491; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1048734420B for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f62df798_d1ea_11d8_99f9_00304828b574_22446; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 00D7A758106; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97608758104 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1c270bc_d1ea_11d8_89e6_00304828b574_21850; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537933444A1 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:55:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 449e56b2_d1ea_11d8_9224_00304828b574_16851; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:55:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8479D19CB5 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:55:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19E0219BD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01638-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95B8219A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.230]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6207C37A20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:54:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004f01c465f6$ab96e650$e6fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:52:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > yes, the trick is making it all work right with the hardware on the > boards. But it was possible. yeah, simple X-base-T hack. > Universal Serial Bus can be scrambled to spell: Hubris 'R Us. utter disaster. although i do like my USB 256Mb flash disk, but i'm ignoring that USB is involved. From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 06:00:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f6a4776a_d1ea_11d8_95f9_00304828b574_22494; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528693442E0 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f6598ec6_d1ea_11d8_8919_00304828b574_22485; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AEE94758104; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A055758103 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f29c2d66_d1ea_11d8_843f_00304828b574_22007; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE2A3441B0 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:57:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92184920_d1ea_11d8_87cf_00304828b574_19329; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:57:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8535219EA3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:57:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48B4C19CB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03912-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C957819B91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.230]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CBAE3796B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:57:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005d01c465f6$f879f980$e6fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <004301c465f5$6fa2ce30$e6fb7d50@SOMA> <6e35c0620407091351b4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:54:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Two spare pair, actually. And there's an official standard for power > over Ethernet: IEEE802.3af wel, there's a niche market. From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 06:00:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f6ebbc4c_d1ea_11d8_80aa_00304828b574_22535; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43DD3441B0 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f6af29b2_d1ea_11d8_8fd3_00304828b574_22525; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3F6027580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4126E75810B for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f226b84c_d1ea_11d8_9260_00304828b574_21858; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:00:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2626C34416E for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:56:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7695a698_d1ea_11d8_8534_00304828b574_18276; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:56:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D1F519E1A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:56:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E893019CB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01638-01-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D84B19A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.230]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D7AA37998 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:56:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005701c465f6$dcf10640$e6fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:54:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > wonder why the dependency on USB? warm-ish (sic) swap? From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 06:04:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b48158e_d1eb_11d8_9145_00304828b574_26064; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:04:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB51A3444A1 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:04:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b13fe70_d1eb_11d8_8546_00304828b574_26061; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:04:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B1ED27580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:04:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFA17580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:04:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8acfa090_d1eb_11d8_8492_00304828b574_26058; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:04:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EA33444A1 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:04:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a1f9eac_d1eb_11d8_99fd_00304828b574_26054; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:04:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F65419A69 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E0F419A6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03912-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6A9119A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i69L3lxj006218 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:03:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i69L3lgS027055 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:03:47 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i69L3kq21993 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:03:47 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200407092103.i69L3kq21993@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:51:56 -0700." <6e35c0620407091351b4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com> References: <004301c465f5$6fa2ce30$e6fb7d50@SOMA> <6e35c0620407091351b4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:03:46 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > > yes, USB is a train wreck and an unnecessary one at that. All they had to > > > do was add power wires to enet and all would have been well. > > > > yup. aren't there two spare on an RJ-45 or am i thinking ISDN S/T bus? > > Two spare pair, actually. And there's an official standard for power > over Ethernet: IEEE802.3af For what it's worth: the wireless access points on our campus somehow get power over the ethernet cable. From vdharani@infernopark.com Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 06:15:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 135ab926_d1ed_11d8_895c_00304828b574_2132; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:15:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B11344D2D for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:15:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13236ec6_d1ed_11d8_9980_00304828b574_2129; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:15:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7E0A57580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:15:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3391B7580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:15:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 12e7f35a_d1ed_11d8_811a_00304828b574_2126; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:15:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459A1344D2D for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:15:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 123bc260_d1ed_11d8_8961_00304828b574_2123; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:15:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1458119DA3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:15:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8B4719A75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03912-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D515219A86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6A2N9am030986 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:23:09 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:23:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44277.192.11.226.116.1089426189.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <200407092103.i69L3kq21993@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> References: <004301c465f5$6fa2ce30$e6fb7d50@SOMA><6e35c0620407091351b4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com> <200407092103.i69L3kq21993@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:23:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> > > yes, USB is a train wreck and an unnecessary one at that. All they >> had to >> > > do was add power wires to enet and all would have been well. >> > >> > yup. aren't there two spare on an RJ-45 or am i thinking ISDN S/T >> bus? >> >> Two spare pair, actually. And there's an official standard for power >> over Ethernet: IEEE802.3af > > For what it's worth: the wireless access points on our campus > somehow get power over the ethernet cable. ---^----- basically, still the access point will have some kind of power adapter except that the DC wires are connected to the unused wires in ethernet cable. the advantages are the access point need not have, say, AC outlet closer to its location and there is only one wire going to the box. thanks dharani From vdharani@infernopark.com Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 06:22:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2460dae2_d1ee_11d8_80e0_00304828b574_7912; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:22:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D87344E1A for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:22:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 242de344_d1ee_11d8_9f16_00304828b574_7909; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:22:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8A65C7580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:22:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416687580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:22:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23edd6c8_d1ee_11d8_90ad_00304828b574_7905; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:22:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5393D344E1A for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:22:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2341bab4_d1ee_11d8_9517_00304828b574_7902; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:22:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D54119BFE for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:22:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7676A19B54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00787-02-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD0CF19B27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6A2Utam031017 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:30:55 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:30:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <64879.192.11.226.116.1089426655.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204070909578cc2ad1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e35c06204070909578cc2ad1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:30:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > There's an interesting interview with one of the Apple engineers that > mentions some of his ideas surrounding Rendezvous / zeroconf and the > idea that 10Mbit Ethernet chipsets are cheaper than USB controllers > and easier to program. Rather than having USB, he thinks it would be > nice to have another Ethernet jack and a mini hub or switch to replace > your USB hub and your keyboard, mouse, printer, etc. autoconfigure on > a network local to your box, speak open protocols, and use a single > cabling system. I used to think even serial port should be replaced with ethernet port. I= t would be the usual ethernet port except that it will be a seperate circui= t (like RS232) in the box and its utility is debugging/monitoring, etc. The ethernet device itself could be specific to the purpose (that is simpler than the robust ones) and a simple, seperate driver could drive it. That way one need not hunt for the right cables for the serial port, go thru the configuration hassle, or worry about speed. May be it is already in practice. I dont know. thanks dharani From vdharani@infernopark.com Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 06:36:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ff96fed8_d1ef_11d8_9582_00304828b574_19302; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:36:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C2F344E2E for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:36:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ff5fdade_d1ef_11d8_9357_00304828b574_19298; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:36:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 188747580F9; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:36:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F45975810C for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:36:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fdc777a4_d1ef_11d8_9825_00304828b574_19126; 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Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6A2hXam031107 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:43:33 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32593.192.11.226.116.1089427413.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> References: <40EBBE29.8090109@anvil.com><6a07576a3c6d3d78b47e476078f6999f@juice.thebigchoice.com> <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable btw, does anyone know of a good book on USB. preferably, it should introduce the concept well and also be useful for working on the USB driver. any help appreciated. thanks dharani From jason@tommyk.com Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:42:11 -0400 Message-ID: <40EF1131.8000607@tommyk.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:42:09 -0400 From: Jason Gurtz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6b (Windows/20040427) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: <004301c465f5$6fa2ce30$e6fb7d50@SOMA> <6e35c0620407091351b4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6e35c0620407091351b4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On 7/9/2004 16:51, Jack Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:43:45 +0200, boyd, rounin wrote: >> yup. aren't there two spare on an RJ-45 or am i thinking ISDN S/T bus? > > Two spare pair, actually. And there's an official standard for power > over Ethernet: IEEE802.3af Excepting 1000Base-T which uses all 4 pair for data. Guess the af thingy won't work there. ~Jason -- From nigel@9fs.org Sat Jul 10 08:49:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 06:53:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61543af8_d1f2_11d8_862c_00304828b574_32735; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:53:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A04345753 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61226d66_d1f2_11d8_9399_00304828b574_32732; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C7C057580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:53:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8078E7580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60e32fd4_d1f2_11d8_85c9_00304828b574_32729; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921D3345753 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:53:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6036be5c_d1f2_11d8_927b_00304828b574_32726; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9375419E44 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:53:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6110819B19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10512-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9fs.org (82-68-131-214.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.68.131.214]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2BFD19AEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.100.111] (helo=office) by 9fs.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Bj3IW-000KSS-ED for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:52:48 +0100 From: "Nigel Roles" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:52:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > yes, USB is a train wreck and an unnecessary one at that. All they > had to do was add power wires to enet and all would have been well. > > But we're stuck with USB. Look around and you can see all the > junk running > on it. It would be nice if Plan 9 could play. > > ron Ethernet interfaces still cost more than usb interfaces all this time later. CF cards for my camera have USB built in; that simply would not happen if ethernet was used. At the time, the 1.2mbps interface was available on 8051 silicon for free. USB could address many devices through very low cost hubs, at a time when ethernet hubs were very costly. Now, USB 2.0 offers 480mbps from $20 host controllers. How much for the equivalent gigabit ethernet interface and switch? You might regard it as a train wreck, but the technical requirement and demand was and still is there. From forsyth@terzarima.net Sat Jul 10 08:49:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 07:44:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a33e480_d1f9_11d8_9741_00304828b574_12301; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:44:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42D6344DE6 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:44:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89d1390c_d1f9_11d8_9cac_00304828b574_12298; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:44:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8455D7580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:44:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A0D7580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:44:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89619304_d1f9_11d8_8d5a_00304828b574_12294; 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Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3698ba8e6fff70826595deee1069ce07@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:41:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <32593.192.11.226.116.1089427413.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-lxshxnzgmbefbnrthvmcrkpdur" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-lxshxnzgmbefbnrthvmcrkpdur Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i found the standards themselves fine for all that. i did look at a book but it didn't notice the ambiguity in the endpoint definition either, and the book won't help you write the code for OHCI. it might even mislead: as with PCMCIA, there's a peculiar terminology and assumed structure to device interfaces that doesn't necessarily match the way the software might choose to see it. it's a bit like books that tell you that BSD sockets are the only way to do networking. it's not as bad as books that told you that OSI was any way to do networking. i think my main moans about USB would be that the raw protocol and interfaces are tolerable, but neither UHCI nor OHCI are the way i'd choose to see those, for different reasons; also that the device description and manufacturer-independent driver approach didn't work out in the end. perhaps the latter has improved since i last dealt with it. in any case, it's there, growing, and needs to be dealt with. --upas-lxshxnzgmbefbnrthvmcrkpdur Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Fri Jul 9 22:38:55 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F35D19BDF for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:35:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7AD5819B74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10512-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D9E019B54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6A2hXam031107 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:43:33 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32593.192.11.226.116.1089427413.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> References: <40EBBE29.8090109@anvil.com><6a07576a3c6d3d78b47e476078f6999f@juice.thebigchoice.com> <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable btw, does anyone know of a good book on USB. preferably, it should introduce the concept well and also be useful for working on the USB driver. any help appreciated. thanks dharani --upas-lxshxnzgmbefbnrthvmcrkpdur-- From forsyth@terzarima.net Sat Jul 10 08:49:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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boundary="upas-ccxtwanbtrfipnfyvroxinkxmj" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ccxtwanbtrfipnfyvroxinkxmj Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry, i forgot to list EHCI. --upas-ccxtwanbtrfipnfyvroxinkxmj Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Fri Jul 9 23:47:47 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 664AE19D52 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:44:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DD5A19BA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20415-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6276319A75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3698ba8e6fff70826595deee1069ce07@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:41:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <32593.192.11.226.116.1089427413.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-lxshxnzgmbefbnrthvmcrkpdur" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-lxshxnzgmbefbnrthvmcrkpdur Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i found the standards themselves fine for all that. i did look at a book but it didn't notice the ambiguity in the endpoint definition either, and the book won't help you write the code for OHCI. it might even mislead: as with PCMCIA, there's a peculiar terminology and assumed structure to device interfaces that doesn't necessarily match the way the software might choose to see it. it's a bit like books that tell you that BSD sockets are the only way to do networking. it's not as bad as books that told you that OSI was any way to do networking. i think my main moans about USB would be that the raw protocol and interfaces are tolerable, but neither UHCI nor OHCI are the way i'd choose to see those, for different reasons; also that the device description and manufacturer-independent driver approach didn't work out in the end. perhaps the latter has improved since i last dealt with it. in any case, it's there, growing, and needs to be dealt with. --upas-lxshxnzgmbefbnrthvmcrkpdur Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Fri Jul 9 22:38:55 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F35D19BDF for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:35:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7AD5819B74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10512-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D9E019B54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6A2hXam031107 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:43:33 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32593.192.11.226.116.1089427413.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> References: <40EBBE29.8090109@anvil.com><6a07576a3c6d3d78b47e476078f6999f@juice.thebigchoice.com> <15391.192.11.226.116.1089329177.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable btw, does anyone know of a good book on USB. preferably, it should introduce the concept well and also be useful for working on the USB driver. any help appreciated. thanks dharani --upas-lxshxnzgmbefbnrthvmcrkpdur-- --upas-ccxtwanbtrfipnfyvroxinkxmj-- From forsyth@terzarima.net Sat Jul 10 08:49:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 07:53:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cfe9e780_d1fa_11d8_88e3_00304828b574_19360; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:53:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2709D3453B6 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:53:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cf8c9daa_d1fa_11d8_8e7a_00304828b574_19357; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:53:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0691D7580FB; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:53:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714EC7580FA for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:53:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cf226f7a_d1fa_11d8_8be2_00304828b574_19354; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:53:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003AE3453B6 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:53:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ce2448f0_d1fa_11d8_9568_00304828b574_19347; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:53:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 390D519D8F for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:53:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24BDC19BA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16006-02-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4C5C19A86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27227f5062ee1a10659b69969e55d977@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:51:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-jnjvvpidbrmofxxsullgnssisd" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-jnjvvpidbrmofxxsullgnssisd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>I'm afraid that I am serious about USB 2 needing OCHI code (unless the >>OCHI interface is compatible with the UCHI interface, but I can't >>believe we'd be so lucky with PC hardware). OHCI is significantly different from UHCI. both do slightly odd things. you get over it, in time. >>USB 2.0, if you turn the clock speed up. I imagine, though I don't >>know, that those organisations keen to promote USB 2.0 just preferred >>to develop OHCI because the already had silicon IP in that style. i suspect the problem with using UHCI is the patents/licence, in other words the deal from Intel for all those nasty clone makers, hence the O for Open in OHCI. that's what i remember, but it might be wrong. >>I've written an OHCI driver for non PCI (i.e. embedded) silicon for an >>operating system not unlike Plan 9; it's not mine to give away. The first i'll see if i can. could save some time if so. --upas-jnjvvpidbrmofxxsullgnssisd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Fri Jul 9 10:19:42 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B71A519E2B for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:16:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A237B19BAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14561-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAC2719B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Geoff Collyer Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:15:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu I'm afraid that I am serious about USB 2 needing OCHI code (unless the OCHI interface is compatible with the UCHI interface, but I can't believe we'd be so lucky with PC hardware). I haven't been tracking USB recently, so I hadn't heard about 2.1 and ECHI, but my understanding is that UHCI can only drive USB 1 devices, and that USB 2 devices require OHCI interfaces to get the increased speed (480Mb/s for 2.0 also). I suppose one could look at the *BSDs to see how different the various USB interfaces are. The USB folks haven't quite got around to re-inventing IBM 360 channel programs, as far as I know, but they're getting there. I suppose somebody will eventually have the clever idea of a simple, direct I/O interface addressed as though it were memory. --upas-jnjvvpidbrmofxxsullgnssisd-- From forsyth@terzarima.net Sat Jul 10 08:49:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 07:54:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9ac6ce6_d1fa_11d8_9af1_00304828b574_20142; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:54:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CD83453C3 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:54:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9783f7a_d1fa_11d8_8953_00304828b574_20138; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:54:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 638EE7580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:54:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1994C7580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:54:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f93d5658_d1fa_11d8_89f3_00304828b574_20131; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:54:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD373453C3 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f891423c_d1fa_11d8_8804_00304828b574_20128; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6530C19D52 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:54:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC65B19BA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10651-02-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6EE5819A86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] These points on homes won't last forever From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:52:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu are all these cheap mortgages on houses in new jersey now that so many are have moved to california? 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Hancock" Subject: Re: [9fans] These points on homes won't last forever To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-id: <1eadb81ee267.1ee2671eadb8@rutgers.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.26 (built Mar 31 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: Virus Scanned by NBCS X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Off topic, but I live in New Jersey and people are still moving here. Many people in Southern California are moving to Colorado and Washington, times have changed. California is not so attractive anymore. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Forsyth Date: Friday, July 9, 2004 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [9fans] These points on homes won't last forever > are all these cheap mortgages on houses in new jersey > now that so many are have moved to california? > > From cross@math.psu.edu Sat Jul 10 11:02:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 09:31:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79827070_d208_11d8_91f4_00304828b574_5912; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:31:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C564345432 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:31:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7951b6ec_d208_11d8_9712_00304828b574_5909; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:31:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4EBCA7580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:31:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F4D7580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:31:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79125204_d208_11d8_894e_00304828b574_5906; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:31:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181B8345432 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:31:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78652b74_d208_11d8_9ec2_00304828b574_5903; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:31:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18E4019E97 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:31:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1612D19AA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27459-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE23A199F6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6A0UtMC029305 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i6A0UtP13424 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407100030.i6A0UtP13424@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:03:46 +0200." <200407092103.i69L3kq21993@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:30:54 -0400 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Axel Belinfante writes: > > Two spare pair, actually. And there's an official standard for power > > over Ethernet: IEEE802.3af > > For what it's worth: the wireless access points on our campus > somehow get power over the ethernet cable. So do a lot of IP phones. - Dan C. From cross@math.psu.edu Sat Jul 10 11:02:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 09:57:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 142976d4_d20c_11d8_9ee4_00304828b574_32131; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:57:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381E03441F4 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:57:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13d85556_d20c_11d8_9498_00304828b574_32125; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:57:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 453387580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:57:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B47E758114 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:56:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09fb17d0_d20c_11d8_88c8_00304828b574_31364; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:56:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F10344469 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:49:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0d0b0166_d20b_11d8_9cd8_00304828b574_23544; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:49:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C782F19E7F for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:49:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B010B19BBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24357-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D45519BB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6A0nVMC001817 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i6A0nUP13519 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407100049.i6A0nUP13519@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] These points on homes won't last forever In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:13:28 EDT." <1eadb81ee267.1ee2671eadb8@rutgers.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:49:30 -0400 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu "Herbert B. Hancock" writes: > > Off topic, but I live in New Jersey and people are still moving here. > Many people in Southern California are moving to Colorado and Washington, > times have changed. California is not so attractive anymore. I'll say. I'm stuck in Southern California for a few more months, and I'm hating it. I can't wait to go back to the East Coast. But then again, my work related reason for being here is probably a little different than that of most other 9fans. - Dan C. 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Hancock" Subject: Re: [9fans] New Jersey: Plan 9 and Inferno meeting To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-id: <1f0d0f1ee3b9.1ee3b91f0d0f@rutgers.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.26 (built Mar 31 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: Virus Scanned by NBCS X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I was wondering from Dan's last email, how many Plan 9 users are in the NJ area? Of course, this is where it began but Bell Labs (Lucent) is not what is was unfortunately. I work at Rutgers and use Plan 9 and Inferno and wonder if there would be enough interest to hold a one day conference here on recent developments. How do you use the OS? We're using Inferno from VitaNuova for a grid for Humanities departments here and some people may be interested in it. It is nice. I can get a lecture hall to hold 100 people in the library and will be willing to organize the event. The hall has an overhead projector and you can use your laptop, it's just DHCP. If there's any interest, please let me know. We can try for late fall or early next spring. Regards, Brian From rminnich@lanl.gov Sat Jul 10 15:30:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 10 13:26:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 48a1de5c_d229_11d8_8243_00304828b574_17312; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:26:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B7B345525 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:26:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 486f67c4_d229_11d8_9e5d_00304828b574_17309; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:26:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AAF2F7580FA; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:26:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0747580F9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:26:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 482d6284_d229_11d8_8843_00304828b574_17306; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:26:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E568345525 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:26:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 477f77b4_d229_11d8_90be_00304828b574_17299; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:26:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36F1119EBD for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:26:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1579519CE3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14807-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C7C919C96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6A4PkCp028885 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:25:46 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6A4Pk24023948 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:25:46 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6A4PkwO025925 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:25:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:25:45 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <3698ba8e6fff70826595deee1069ce07@terzarima.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Charles Forsyth wrote: > in any case, it's there, growing, and needs to be dealt with. sounds like a case of ringworm. ron p.s. sorry, too hard to resist. From shay@shayohayon.net Sun Jul 11 08:11:32 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jul 11 01:09:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a6e7fc8_d28b_11d8_9f3a_00304828b574_1970; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:09:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92590344D84 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:09:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79f70128_d28b_11d8_91cc_00304828b574_1967; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:09:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 72B797580FA; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:09:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D677580F9 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:09:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79aff288_d28b_11d8_828b_00304828b574_1930; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:09:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23463344D84 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:09:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78fa6242_d28b_11d8_838b_00304828b574_1737; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:09:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7880619F25 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:09:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AA7819EDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18407-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valen.shayohayon.net (bzq-82-81-124-123.red.bezeqint.net [82.81.124.123]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE7D619EDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shay by valen.shayohayon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BjKHU-0006VC-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:00:52 +0300 From: "Yehoshua (Shay) O'Hayon Suchar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: shayohayon.net Message-Id: <1089475247.800.14.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:00:47 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: shay@shayohayon.net, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans. I just installed plan9 on one of my machines, but it seems like my video card it's not supported. Linux says: $ lspci |grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) >>From a little research that I did before installing plan9, I was kinda sure that all the Mach64 card are supported. In the installation it didn't bring "rio" up, instead it gave me an error; "no frame buffer", so I decided to make the textonly installation and then try to solve the video issue. So I finished the installation and here I am, trying to find out if I can make this video card to work on plan9, and asking if someone had solved this already. I searched the mailing this archive and found this: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=9t1b3q%24crc%241%40newpoisson.nosc.mil&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dplan9%2B%2Bmach64%2Bgtb%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D9t1b3q%2524crc%25241%2540newpoisson.nosc.mil%26rnum%3D1 I think that is the same problem that I have, is there any success? Any help would be appreciated. Shay. 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Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.5.9]) by ensc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6AGMgmO004975; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6AGMbpj027606; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:22:37 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:22:15 -0600 (MDT) From: andrey mirtchovski To: shay@shayohayon.net Subject: Re: [9fans] ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] In-Reply-To: <1089475247.800.14.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> Message-ID: References: <1089475247.800.14.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Yehoshua (Shay) O'Hayon Suchar wrote: > Linux says: > $ lspci |grep VGA > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ > 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) > do an 'lspci -n' and save the vid/did pair for the same device (vid should be 0x1002, i believe). edit /lib/vgadb on the plan9 machine and add the vid/did pair to the ctlr section for ati cards (ctlr=mach64xx). reboot and if you see that it works send the change to vgadb to bell labs :) good luck :) andrey From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sun Jul 11 08:11:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6AIPmpj030583 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:25:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:25:26 -0600 (MDT) From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] In-Reply-To: <1089482151.800.19.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> Message-ID: References: <1089475247.800.14.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> <1089482151.800.19.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Thanks andrey, it works > > The line I added is: > > vid=0x1002 did=0x4755 > i've added this to the patch fs on sources as vgadb-rage (just FYI) andrey From shay@shayohayon.net Sun Jul 11 08:11:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:38:42 +0300 Subject: Re: [9fans] ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] From: "Yehoshua (Shay) O'Hayon Suchar" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <1089475247.800.14.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> <1089482151.800.19.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: shayohayon.net Message-Id: <1089495521.800.26.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:38:42 +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: shay@shayohayon.net, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hmm, seems like adding this isn't enough, I got "rio" but I can't see anything, the screen looks fuzzy, at first I though that it has something to do with the monitor setting, but I tryed various combinations in the "vgasize" line, on plan9.ini, and nothing seems to work, tryed with two different monitors. Any ideas? maybe there's something to be changed/added to the driver/vgadb file? Thanks. El s=E1b, 10-07-2004 a las 21:25, andrey mirtchovski escribi=F3: > > Thanks andrey, it works > > > > The line I added is: > > > > vid=3D0x1002 did=3D0x4755 > > >=20 > i've added this to the patch fs on sources as vgadb-rage (just FYI) >=20 > andrey From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sun Jul 11 08:11:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jul 11 06:51:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4dec085a_d2bb_11d8_9f9a_00304828b574_30436; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:51:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B8B3446EE for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:51:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4dbb0566_d2bb_11d8_8d6b_00304828b574_30433; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:51:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E3EC77580FB; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:51:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898B17580F9 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d4fb23e_d2bb_11d8_842e_00304828b574_30429; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEB83446AB for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ca0f1d6_d2bb_11d8_9d4c_00304828b574_30425; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03B4B19F20 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:51:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF55219B0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22547-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 096DA19B06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3bdb07b42ddede51c3f79f9de21468e8@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:51:04 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <1089495521.800.26.camel@valen.shayohayon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Hmm, seems like adding this isn't enough, I got "rio" but I can't see > anything, the screen looks fuzzy, at first I though that it has > something to do with the monitor setting, but I tryed various > combinations in the "vgasize" line, on plan9.ini, and nothing seems to > work, tryed with two different monitors. > > Any ideas? maybe there's something to be changed/added to the > driver/vgadb file? > > Thanks. > that's not very good... what resolutions are you trying it with? start with 800x600x8 and work your way up. there may be changes to the vga driver required -- look at XFree86's driver for hints (usual movie quote applies: "Smokey, my friend, you're entering a world of pain"). 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Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:55:41 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6CFtf24023742 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:55:41 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6CFtewO026210 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:55:41 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:55:39 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] the Thread War X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I hate to revive this but what the heck. http://pl.atyp.us/misc/threads.tar.bz2 describes some thread microbenchmarks. These two programs test context switch rates for threads. Usual disclaimers apply about stupidity of microbenchmarks. But I'm curious to see what those of you with 2.4 Ghz P4 boxes get. No need to cc: Linus on this discussion. ron From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 13 08:34:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 01:49:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7634aa88_d423_11d8_963d_00304828b574_19699; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:49:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520273449AB for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:49:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75d609d8_d423_11d8_81b6_00304828b574_19696; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:49:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 371377580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:49:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979F17580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:49:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7568c71a_d423_11d8_8ee6_00304828b574_19693; 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Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3363177410434d70d7debab1ad28e867@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] the Thread War Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:49:00 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-xxqqlptgewmfemttwphjqoyugk" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: sonic.net: neuromancer 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=J_CHICKENPOX_44, J_CHICKENPOX_45, J_CHICKENPOX_54 X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-xxqqlptgewmfemttwphjqoyugk Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > http://pl.atyp.us/misc/threads.tar.bz2 attached is the pthread.c program as it'll look (approximately) if written in Plan 9. it uses two channels to send between parent and child. 8c -Fvw 9thread.c; 8l -o 9thread 9thread.8 the results below were obtained on a 2.6ghz P4 (note the big difference when compared to the 2.0Ghz linux below. do i have a bug in my code?): plan9% for (i in `{seq 1 10}) { 9thread } did 1000000 iterations in 1.998280 seconds 500430 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 1.998884 seconds 500279 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 1.997603 seconds 500600 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 1.997107 seconds 500724 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 2.002966 seconds 499260 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 2.000637 seconds 499841 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 1.997824 seconds 500545 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 2.016934 seconds 495802 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 2.003826 seconds 499045 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 2.017029 seconds 495779 iterations/second 0 misses plan9% i don't have identical hardware running linux/bsd unfortunately. on my 2.0ghz P4 I get: mirtchov@fbsd$ for i in `seq 1 10`; do ./pthread; done did 1000000 iterations in 5.1 seconds 195115 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 5.2 seconds 193529 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 5.2 seconds 192888 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 5.1 seconds 195341 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 5.2 seconds 193341 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 5.2 seconds 194050 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 5.1 seconds 195621 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 5.1 seconds 196538 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 5.1 seconds 194644 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 5.1 seconds 194906 iterations/second 0 misses mirtchov@fbsd$ andrey --upas-xxqqlptgewmfemttwphjqoyugk Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=9thread.c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #include #include #include Channel *cchan, *pchan; ulong iterations = 0; ulong misses = 0; enum { Parent, Child, }; int state = Parent; void child(void *unused) { char data = '1'; USED(unused); for (;;) { recv(cchan, &data); if (state == Parent) { ++iterations; state = Child; } else { ++misses; } send(pchan, &data); } } void threadmain(int argc, char **argv) { vlong tbegin, tend; double diff; char data = '1'; USED(argc, argv); cchan = chancreate(sizeof(char), 1); pchan = chancreate(sizeof(char), 1); threadcreate(child, nil, 1024); /* could be even smaller? */ tbegin = nsec(); while (iterations < 1000000) { send(cchan, &data); recv(pchan, &data); if (state == Child) { ++iterations; state = Parent; } else { ++misses; } } tend = nsec(); diff = (tend - tbegin)/1000000000.0; print("did %ld iterations in %f seconds\n",iterations,diff); print("%.0f iterations/second\n",(float)iterations/diff); print("%ld misses\n",misses); threadexitsall(nil); } --upas-xxqqlptgewmfemttwphjqoyugk-- From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 13 08:35:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:32:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6CJW0pj015424 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:32:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:31:54 -0600 (MDT) From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] the Thread War In-Reply-To: <3363177410434d70d7debab1ad28e867@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: References: <3363177410434d70d7debab1ad28e867@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > did 1000000 iterations in 1.998280 seconds > 500430 iterations/second > 0 misses with a simple change one can measure the same ping-pong between two processes, thus involving context switches and a few syscalls (btw, using unbuffered channels makes no difference): plan9% diff 9thread.c 9threadproc.c 42c42 < threadcreate(child, nil, 1024); /* could be even smaller? */ --- > proccreate(child, nil, 1024); /* could be even smaller? */ plan9% plan9% for (i in `{seq 1 10}) 9threadproc did 1000000 iterations in 7.200755 seconds 138874 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 7.235651 seconds 138205 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 7.181722 seconds 139242 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 7.272081 seconds 137512 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 7.249308 seconds 137944 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 7.202701 seconds 138837 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 7.173075 seconds 139410 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 7.256470 seconds 137808 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 7.523487 seconds 132917 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 7.225779 seconds 138393 iterations/second 0 misses plan9% From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jul 13 08:35:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:41:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <015401c46847$eaf99b50$2fec7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <3363177410434d70d7debab1ad28e867@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Thread War Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:39:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu crapHat (sic) implements a thread as a proc; all procs are threads. this should mean that, unless context switches are blindingly fast (which i doubt), they should be slower than user mode threads. From micah@cnm-vra.com Tue Jul 13 08:35:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 04:51:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d7eaec4c_d43c_11d8_91a7_00304828b574_11979; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7417B34518D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d76bcbce_d43c_11d8_8801_00304828b574_11970; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1C50D7580FC; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2837580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5542ef8_d43c_11d8_9ef9_00304828b574_11929; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9DA345188 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d0fce926_d43c_11d8_8fe5_00304828b574_11573; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 739E119D58 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7260819A99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22445-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epaphras.cnm-vra.com (adsl-66-122-178-130.dsl.chi2ca.pacbell.net [66.122.178.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8C8F19B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by epaphras.cnm-vra.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1BC2496; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:50:43 -0700 From: Micah Stetson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Thread War Message-ID: <20040712195043.GA4759@epaphras> Mail-Followup-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <3363177410434d70d7debab1ad28e867@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3363177410434d70d7debab1ad28e867@plan9.ucalgary.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > mirtchov@fbsd$ for i in `seq 1 10`; do ./pthread; done > did 1000000 iterations in 5.1 seconds > 195115 iterations/second > 0 misses Something's weird about those Linux results, maybe it's the hostname. Still, Linux on my 900MHz Thinkpad T22 manages about 270000 iterations/second. I wonder what's making it go so slow for you. Could it be a laptop in power-saving mode? My Plan 9 results on the same hardware are comparable to yours, a bit over 318000. Micah From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 13 08:35:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 05:07:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22358b70_d43f_11d8_92b4_00304828b574_24741; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:07:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA48B3451EC for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:07:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 218b8e18_d43f_11d8_8101_00304828b574_24731; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:07:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 88CA17580FC; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:07:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8817580FE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:07:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2134bdf4_d43f_11d8_9520_00304828b574_24726; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:07:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2705B3451EC for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:07:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c3f1dd0_d43f_11d8_94b3_00304828b574_24673; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:07:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5233C19E1B for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:07:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38F8819B3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09161-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD4FD19B30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] the Thread War Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:07:00 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <20040712195043.GA4759@epaphras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Something's weird about those Linux results, maybe it's > the hostname. Still, Linux on my 900MHz Thinkpad T22 > manages about 270000 iterations/second. I wonder what's > making it go so slow for you. Could it be a laptop in > power-saving mode? the host name is a leftover from happier times, when universities weren't linux-only :) no, it's not a laptop but it is running the 2.6 kernel (the only machine i have with this): model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz stepping : 4 cpu MHz : 1994.092 cache size : 512 KB you're right though -- i get much better results on everything else i try this on. andrey From rminnich@lanl.gov Tue Jul 13 08:35:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 05:55:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d494dc66_d445_11d8_9ec6_00304828b574_2695; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:55:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C632334423C for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:55:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d45c620a_d445_11d8_9363_00304828b574_2692; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:55:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3447075810C; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:55:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5195A7580FC for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:55:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1186f76_d445_11d8_92d4_00304828b574_2643; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:55:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E757344B91 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:51:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 325631ca_d445_11d8_84ea_00304828b574_29849; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:51:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ECE4F19C5E for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:51:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1778A19B6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14518-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66FA819ACA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6CKoiCp020104 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:50:45 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6CKoiVU023373 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:50:44 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6CKoiwO012434 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:50:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:50:43 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Thread War In-Reply-To: <20040712195043.GA4759@epaphras> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Micah Stetson wrote: > Something's weird about those Linux results, maybe it's > the hostname. Still, Linux on my 900MHz Thinkpad T22 > manages about 270000 iterations/second. I wonder what's > making it go so slow for you. Could it be a laptop in > power-saving mode? > > My Plan 9 results on the same hardware are comparable to > yours, a bit over 318000. well, does this constitute the measurement presotto said we could do, back during the 'my TLB flushes are smaller than yours' flame war, and if so, what's it tell us? Anything? ron From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 13 08:35:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 06:45:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd28fca8_d44c_11d8_933b_00304828b574_11177; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:45:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AE534585A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:45:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ccf6e006_d44c_11d8_9474_00304828b574_11174; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:45:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B98BE7580FB; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:45:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5CA7580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:45:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ccb585e8_d44c_11d8_9ace_00304828b574_11170; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:45:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDE834585A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cc06aed8_d44c_11d8_9052_00304828b574_11165; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51F2C19C8E for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:45:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66C6319BF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28834-01-72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA96A19BF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93bd3c05f7aa6efc91653c210074f0ed@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] the Thread War Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:45:02 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > well, does this constitute the measurement presotto said we could do, back > during the 'my TLB flushes are smaller than yours' flame war, and if so, > what's it tell us? Anything? it gets even more interesting if you compile the 9thread.c code using plan9port (you'll need to change the USED(argc, argv); into two separate, single-argument USED's). this is on the same 2.6.6 linux machine as previously (with the confused prompt): mirtchov@fbsd$ for i in 1 2 3 4; do 9thread; done did 1000000 iterations in 1.976096 seconds 506048 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 2.006277 seconds 498436 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 1.968269 seconds 508061 iterations/second 0 misses did 1000000 iterations in 2.070409 seconds 482996 iterations/second 0 misses so try it on the same box you run the original pthread program and see what you get :) andrey From rminnich@lanl.gov Tue Jul 13 08:35:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 07:18:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7602768e_d451_11d8_92f2_00304828b574_9038; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:18:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169083441F2 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:18:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75c7b918_d451_11d8_82c5_00304828b574_9026; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:18:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 28B807580F9; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:18:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF603758103 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:18:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 73c4cd7c_d451_11d8_80db_00304828b574_9010; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:18:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705CF344244 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:18:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6cf01de4_d451_11d8_857d_00304828b574_8926; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:18:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14DED19E2A for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:18:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BCBF19C14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22827-01-66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8983919BFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6CMIGCp021879 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:18:16 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6CMIG24029798 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:18:16 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6CMIGwO017696 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:18:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:18:15 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] since we have Python ... X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu http://www.twistedmatrix.com I have only a minimal knowledge of it so far, but ... it does this: - SSH - FTP - HTTP - XML-RPC (using xmlrpclib) - SOAP (using SOAPpy) - NNTP - SOCKSv4 (server only) - SIP - Jabber - SMTP - IRC - telnet - POP3 - AOL's instant messaging TOC - OSCAR, used by AOL-IM as well as ICQ (client only) - DNS - MouseMan - finger - Echo, discard, chargen and friends - Twisted Perspective Broker It might give us ssh 2, who knows. or it might just be useless. ron p.s. shame the world didn't just "go limbo", but there you are. From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jul 13 08:35:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 07:25:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 613b4086_d452_11d8_9193_00304828b574_14553; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:25:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF573344A9A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:25:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6108d63c_d452_11d8_9931_00304828b574_14549; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:25:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A1C8E7580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:25:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D997580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:25:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60c810ac_d452_11d8_87f7_00304828b574_14546; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:25:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C164344A9A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:25:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60135504_d452_11d8_9233_00304828b574_14543; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:25:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9626919A2F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:25:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FF8419A60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07005-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5FD519C14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.236.47]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8534B378F1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:25:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <018001c4685e$c03352a0$2fec7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] since we have Python ... Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:22:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > http://www.twistedmatrix.com they are insteresting guys. i've spent a few days with itamar. pity it's in python. he had some nice ideas for future stuff that i was working on. trouble with python is this mentality of: do everything, but do it badly twisted seems to be better than most. From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jul 13 08:35:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 07:54:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 699ca05e_d456_11d8_9587_00304828b574_5025; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:54:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E14A3452BE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:54:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 69083b80_d456_11d8_8441_00304828b574_5015; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:54:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 852507580FC; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:54:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58457580FE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:54:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 66f9dca4_d456_11d8_8e41_00304828b574_5005; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:54:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BC23452BE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:54:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60760aec_d456_11d8_87d1_00304828b574_4444; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:54:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37D2719DE4 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:54:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BC0C19B91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23485-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD38D19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.44]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 73FA3378E2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:53:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c46862$d82b0c00$2cfb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:52:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] USB [OT] X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu on this program loader it prints one page on the usb port, that the printer is connected to. so i click on 'print' and it tries to print it on my 1M/320Kbit/s usb adsl. go figure ... where is the UDA-50 interface when i need it? From newsham@lava.net Tue Jul 13 12:21:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 11:18:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9512fdc_d472_11d8_95de_00304828b574_26992; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:18:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41F4344416 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:18:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9169278_d472_11d8_8b31_00304828b574_26983; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:18:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9651C758105; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:18:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074FB7580FF for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:18:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2152174_d472_11d8_90dd_00304828b574_26854; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:18:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D49D344DAD for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:01:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 909287cc_d470_11d8_85e3_00304828b574_7943; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:01:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D87B419CCC for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:01:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B1BA19B6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08536-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensemada.lava.net (ensemada.lava.net [64.65.64.27]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7890A19A6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by ensemada.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2058E300F7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:01:08 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:01:08 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] newbie question - keeping up to date X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, I'm using the plan9 vmware image. Following the wiki I do the following to keep up to date: disk/kfscmd allow replica/pull -v /dist/replica/network >[2] up.txt after reviewing up.txt and removing any conflicting files (its a clean dist so I figure updating everything is best) and repeating I get a complete update. At this point I reboot and login again and I notice a few things no longer work properly: - up/down keys in rc windows. Instead of paging up and down within the window they now just output some odd character. - menus in rc windows - never pop up. - status window - the status window (which is started by default for the glenda account) suicides. What's going wrong here? Are there additional update steps I need to perform? (Thankfully this is vmware and I can just revert the changes). Tim N. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 13 12:21:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 11:19:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e91462a_d473_11d8_9fe7_00304828b574_28014; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727CF3441D8 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e5ba6e6_d473_11d8_964e_00304828b574_28010; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4315C7580FD; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C30758125 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 055954c6_d473_11d8_9c7e_00304828b574_27598; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A194344698 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:17:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5dc7be8_d472_11d8_8c8c_00304828b574_25690; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:17:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B157B19C5D for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:17:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D387219B6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08536-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E42619B19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <98cef57e7d5a720154b7cdce4a9a073d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] newbie question - keeping up to date Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:16:44 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > - up/down keys in rc windows. Instead of paging up and down > within the window they now just output some odd character. that should be fixed after a kernel recompile. > - menus in rc windows - never pop up. never seen that before... > - status window - the status window (which is started by default > for the glenda account) suicides. which status window? /usr/glenda/bin/rc/riostart starts them all so try and see which one particularly fails. if it's 'stats' try executing the command itself and see if it'll still crash... which conflicting files did you have when you pulled? andrey From newsham@lava.net Tue Jul 13 12:21:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 11:20:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37671688_d473_11d8_8f10_00304828b574_28818; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:20:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC573441D8 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 373170be_d473_11d8_987e_00304828b574_28815; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DBA877580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:20:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9068E7580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36f668f2_d473_11d8_8128_00304828b574_28812; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10CB3441D8 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:20:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3649487a_d473_11d8_9d36_00304828b574_28809; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8C3F19C24 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:20:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46D3219B22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13152-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C95D919AE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE86B17196 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:20:13 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:20:13 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] newbie question - keeping up to date In-Reply-To: <98cef57e7d5a720154b7cdce4a9a073d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: References: <98cef57e7d5a720154b7cdce4a9a073d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > - status window - the status window (which is started by default > > for the glenda account) suicides. > > which status window? /usr/glenda/bin/rc/riostart starts them all so > try and see which one particularly fails. if it's 'stats' try > executing the command itself and see if it'll still crash... The strip-scrolling system status (cpu load, etc..) utility. Sounds like something that could benefit from a kernel rebuild. > which conflicting files did you have when you pulled? it said that the /386/lib and /386/lib/acme files were locally built and that it wouldnt replace them. I manually deleted them and repeated the update. There were a few other files as well (some .8 files and one or two .c and .h files). Let me try again and rebuild a kernel this time. > andrey Tim N. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 13 12:21:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 11:31:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b32daa7e_d474_11d8_870d_00304828b574_5151; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276DA344726 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2fbd864_d474_11d8_9e79_00304828b574_5120; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 073FE7580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C137580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2b9c064_d474_11d8_9a91_00304828b574_5111; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F74344726 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b20c0ec4_d474_11d8_820b_00304828b574_5038; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7E6319D95 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:31:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E97E319B6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13152-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42F0A19B19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <68a46a69df8a1fbf2ed3c4f120cf5c5b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] newbie question - keeping up to date Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:30:40 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i forgot to mention -- you can just copy the kernel from /386. run '9fat:' and see what's in /n/9fat (plan9.ini and a kernel are there) and copy the same kernel from /386, it should have all updates. as far as i can see on my system all kernels in /386 contain the vmware graphics device so you ought to be safe :) >> which conflicting files did you have when you pulled? > > it said that the /386/lib and /386/lib/acme files were locally > built and that it wouldnt replace them. I manually deleted > them and repeated the update. There were a few other files > as well (some .8 files and one or two .c and .h files). > > Let me try again and rebuild a kernel this time. > next time do 'replica/pull -vs', which will overwrite conflicting files with the ones from sources and save you the trouble of having to delete them by hand. just make sure you don't overwrite important configuration files like /rc/bin/{cpu,term}rc or /lib/ndb/local which you may have modified for your system (until you've set up venti, or fossil snapshots at the very least:) From newsham@lava.net Tue Jul 13 20:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 14:11:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a926c98_d48b_11d8_982f_00304828b574_17106; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:11:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87188344BB7 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:11:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a60530c_d48b_11d8_936e_00304828b574_17103; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:11:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 69A037580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:11:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D768E7580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:11:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 19f9e3a6_d48b_11d8_89fd_00304828b574_17096; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:11:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91FD344BB7 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:11:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 194d721a_d48b_11d8_8cf0_00304828b574_17091; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:11:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9215319D1A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:11:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E5AA419C4E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23253-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7663519C4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C53D133D0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:11:06 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:11:06 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] newbie question - keeping up to date In-Reply-To: <68a46a69df8a1fbf2ed3c4f120cf5c5b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: References: <68a46a69df8a1fbf2ed3c4f120cf5c5b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i forgot to mention -- you can just copy the kernel from /386. run > '9fat:' and see what's in /n/9fat (plan9.ini and a kernel are there) > and copy the same kernel from /386, it should have all updates. Thank you. This resolved all of my problems and had the added bonus of supporting mousing out of the vmware window. Nice. Tim N. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jul 13 20:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 14:43:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 923bc60a_d48f_11d8_824d_00304828b574_10282; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:43:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475D134543F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:43:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9208ad60_d48f_11d8_9659_00304828b574_10279; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:43:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 28E9E7580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:43:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45777580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91c82cc2_d48f_11d8_8646_00304828b574_10276; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F7334543F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:43:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 911b9976_d48f_11d8_9ca9_00304828b574_10272; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88A4619D7D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:43:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 232E619BBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13196-02-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7448919B51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:42:39 +0900 In-Reply-To: <40EAA63B.7090405@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > 4) USB strage device for Nikon CoolPix 3200 >=20 > Is this generic USB mass-storage? > I know my Fuji works fine with an out-of-the-box linux USB mass-storage= =20 > setup, Today, I had some time to try this on my Linux 2.4 (RedHat=E2=98=BA). If I use SD memory attached to SanDisk Smart Media Reader, I can read images from that SD memory card into my Linux box. I don't need any additional procedures for it. However, if the CoolPix is connected directly to the USB port, it is not recognized. Then, Nikon has somethi= ng special USB interface other than SDDR device... Kenji From 9nut@9netics.com Tue Jul 13 20:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 14:51:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f81c656_d490_11d8_9bb2_00304828b574_15942; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:51:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F11134442C for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:50:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c833912_d490_11d8_9dde_00304828b574_15841; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:51:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 84D1D7580FB; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:50:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458F87580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:50:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bddb9ce_d490_11d8_91cf_00304828b574_15813; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:50:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B43345B9D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:50:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 964d035c_d490_11d8_98f6_00304828b574_15753; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:50:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C131919E4C for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:50:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35A5419C4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29355-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1A8719C3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7697b982eca0d2ba56b0c1f05a4b07f8@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:50:09 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> > 4) USB strage device for Nikon CoolPix 3200 >>=20 >> Is this generic USB mass-storage? >> I know my Fuji works fine with an out-of-the-box linux USB mass-storag= e=20 >> setup, >=20 > Today, I had some time to try this on my Linux 2.4 (RedHat=E2=98=BA). > If I use SD memory attached to SanDisk Smart Media Reader, I can read > images from that SD memory card into my Linux box. I don't need > any additional procedures for it. However, if the CoolPix is connecte= d > directly to the USB port, it is not recognized. Then, Nikon has somet= hing > special USB interface other than SDDR device... Wouldn't this still need a TWAIN driver so something like it? From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jul 13 20:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 14:56:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 625998e8_d491_11d8_92e1_00304828b574_20970; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:56:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A3E345BA7 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:56:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6223bc6e_d491_11d8_8c77_00304828b574_20966; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:56:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CF2C47580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:56:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFE17580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:56:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61e4cedc_d491_11d8_998f_00304828b574_20963; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:56:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85580345BA7 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:56:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 613150dc_d491_11d8_8d79_00304828b574_20960; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:56:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDD7519C58 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:56:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B574819AFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13196-02-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8677819A96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <80257bc2f91af565f7b696c4e4d9b66a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:55:49 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Nikon has something > special USB interface other than SDDR device... Plan9's usb/usbd reports like this: term% usb/usbd -vd enumerate port usb0/0.1 enumerate port usb0/0.2 usbd: usb0/0: port 1 attached enumerate port usb1/0.1 enumerate port usb1/0.2 usbd: usb1/0: port 1 empty usbd: usb1/0: port 2 empty usb0/0.1 status 0x3 enabling port usb0/0.1 usb0/0.1 status now 0x3 usbd: usb0/0: set speed high usbd: usb0/3: set speed high device usb0/3: 9.0.0 04e1/0201 USB version: 1.10 maximum control packet size: 64 device release: 1.10 configurations: 1 configuration 1: 1 interfaces, 100mA required attributes: buspowered selfpowered remotewakeup interface 0: 9.0.0 alternate 0: 1 endpoints endpoint 1-in: type Interrupt maxpkt 1 poll 255ms usbd: usb0/0.1: hub 3 attached usbd: traversing hub usb0/3 usbd: usb0/0: port 2 empty usbd: usb0/3: port 1 empty usbd: usb0/3: port 2 empty usbd: usb0/3: port 3 attached usb0/3.3 status 0x110103 enabling port usb0/3.3 usb0/3.3 status now 0x110103 usbd: usb0/0: set speed high usbd: usb0/2: set speed high device usb0/2: 0.0.0 04b0/0120 USB version: 2.00 maximum control packet size: 8 device release: 1.00 manufacturer: NIKON product: NIKON DSC E3200 serial: 000002219337 configurations: 1 configuration 1: 1 interfaces, 0mA required attributes: buspowered selfpowered interface 0: 8.6.80 alternate 0: 2 endpoints endpoint 4-out: type Bulk maxpkt 64 poll 0ms endpoint 3-in: type Bulk maxpkt 64 poll 0ms usbd: usb0/3.3: 2: not hub, high speed usbd: usb0/3: port 4 empty usbd: enumeration complete usbd: usb0/1.1: portstatus: setupreq: setupin: short read (0 < 4) usbd: usb0/1.2: portstatus: setupreq: setupin: short read (0 < 4) usbd: detaching usb0/2 from usb0/1.3 usbd: usb0/1.3: portstatus: setupreq: setupin: short read (0 < 4) usbd: usb0/1.4: portstatus: setupreq: setupin: short read (0 < 4) Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jul 13 20:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 14:58:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba804440_d491_11d8_844b_00304828b574_22605; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:58:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D007A345BB3 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:58:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba4e7bf4_d491_11d8_8474_00304828b574_22602; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:58:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B0F517580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:58:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6919D7580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:58:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba0e2478_d491_11d8_905c_00304828b574_22599; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:58:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1F3345BB3 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:58:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b961ca48_d491_11d8_9920_00304828b574_22594; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:58:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B3EDA19D0F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:58:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5211019A96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14292-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB45E19C4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:58:36 +0900 In-Reply-To: <7697b982eca0d2ba56b0c1f05a4b07f8@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Wouldn't this still need a TWAIN driver so something like it? scsi emulation driver. Kenji From matt@proweb.co.uk Tue Jul 13 20:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 15:51:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0209161e_d499_11d8_87b9_00304828b574_5899; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:51:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0A83452B1 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:51:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 01ccaf62_d499_11d8_813e_00304828b574_5884; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:51:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1FDD77580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:51:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1EB7580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:51:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 01818f46_d499_11d8_84e8_00304828b574_5820; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:51:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFD33452B1 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:51:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 00d244a0_d499_11d8_9603_00304828b574_5745; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:51:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 945F219D9A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:50:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A52819ACA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20730-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc3-nott7-3-0-cust54.nott.cable.ntl.com [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47DA419A82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7970e7cf4debabc3a611c1156d5d2465@juice.thebigchoice.com> From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:53:18 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Mysql client on Plan 9 !! In-Reply-To: <40efca40$0$17505$636a15ce@news.free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu although I have lost interest in mysql since discovering postgres, I am intreagued as to what file system you present for your client ? does it have much benefit over 'ssh -C host mysql -n -u user database' ? matt From matt@proweb.co.uk Tue Jul 13 20:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 16:48:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 142095c2_d4a1_11d8_9eae_00304828b574_25422; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:48:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94757344855 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:48:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13e53b94_d4a1_11d8_9ca4_00304828b574_25418; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:48:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3F1E4758103; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:48:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5377580FD for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:48:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 11b9f648_d4a1_11d8_9d5c_00304828b574_25392; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:48:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92A93443B6 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:40:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e48e0200_d49f_11d8_9c6b_00304828b574_16567; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:40:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 992CB19DE4 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:40:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45F2B19AD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20730-02-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc3-nott7-3-0-cust54.nott.cable.ntl.com [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21C8919A60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <957af04f81108932d0e0eb1d2f790194@juice.thebigchoice.com> From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:42:39 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Mysql client on Plan 9 !! In-Reply-To: <7970e7cf4debabc3a611c1156d5d2465@juice.thebigchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > does it have much benefit over 'ssh -C host mysql -n -u user database' ? of course I have realized my own answer "yes it does if you have no ssh access, which isn't that uncommon" m From boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee Tue Jul 13 20:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 17:29:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b5ac1f10_d4a6_11d8_83a8_00304828b574_27312; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:29:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037AB3454D0 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:29:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b560b318_d4a6_11d8_9daa_00304828b574_27274; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:29:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D8C427580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:29:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914D37580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:29:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b520c24e_d4a6_11d8_9a6e_00304828b574_27269; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:29:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CB63454D0 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:29:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b46a1d46_d4a6_11d8_91bb_00304828b574_27156; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:29:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 92DC019E60 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:29:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4A5B19CEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11279-02-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.starman.ee (mx1.starman.ee [62.65.192.16]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3486B19C35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3116D193362 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:28:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ajukaja (ip33.cab6.lsn.starman.ee [82.131.6.33]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AD5193371 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:28:40 +0300 (EEST) From: Boris Maryshev Organization: The Estonian IT College To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Mysql client on Plan 9 !! Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:28:38 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <7970e7cf4debabc3a611c1156d5d2465@juice.thebigchoice.com> In-Reply-To: <7970e7cf4debabc3a611c1156d5d2465@juice.thebigchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407131128.38737.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tuesday 13 July 2004 09:53, matt@proweb.co.uk wrote: > although I have lost interest in mysql since discovering postgres, I am > intreagued as to what file system you present for your client ? Will it speak 9P? Then we'd have SQL filesystem, wouldn't we? > > does it have much benefit over 'ssh -C host mysql -n -u user database' ? > > matt boris -- All his life he has looked away... to the horizon, to the sky, to the future. Never his mind on where he was, on what he was doing. -- Yoda From davide+receptionist@cs.cmu.edu Tue Jul 13 20:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 17:37:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9594454_d4a7_11d8_8a87_00304828b574_1518; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACD134551F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8d41036_d4a7_11d8_8ed3_00304828b574_1509; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4A1317580FB; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAE67580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7ff2006_d4a7_11d8_9024_00304828b574_1498; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0594E34557D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e24406cc_d4a7_11d8_8671_00304828b574_1424; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29E9E19DB6 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:37:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1CF419B5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11279-02-59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73EFF19C35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BkIer-00018Q-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:29:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:25:21 GMT From: David Eckhardt Message-ID: Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 write cache? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Am I being overly paranoid? http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda7200.7.pdf is the "data sheet" for the SATA version of the Seagate Barracuda. Section 4.3.2 ("Set Features command") on logical page 31 (physical page 41) seems to indicate that the drive defaults to handling sector writes via a write-back RAM cache, which the host OS can disable. Is it just me or is this a very bad default except (maybe) for battery-backed systems? Is this a standard thing in IDE disks (either the feature number or the default setting), something Plan 9 should watch out for, nothing for me to worry my pretty little head about, ...? Dave Eckhardt From boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee Tue Jul 13 20:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 17:48:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a24a090_d4a9_11d8_8150_00304828b574_10333; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:48:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC6C345C66 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:48:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79f0d8b4_d4a9_11d8_85cc_00304828b574_10330; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:48:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A239F7580FB; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:48:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487B37580FA for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:48:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79a64362_d4a9_11d8_8e0b_00304828b574_10327; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:48:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5058B345C66 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:48:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78f39d5c_d4a9_11d8_9411_00304828b574_10321; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:48:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A6EF19E11 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:48:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8C6E19D4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25586-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.starman.ee (mx1.starman.ee [62.65.192.16]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6594119AF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107DE1933C4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:48:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ajukaja (ip33.cab6.lsn.starman.ee [82.131.6.33]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE87193362 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:48:31 +0300 (EEST) From: Boris Maryshev Organization: The Estonian IT College To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 write cache? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:48:29 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407131148.29808.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tuesday 13 July 2004 11:25, David Eckhardt wrote: > Am I being overly paranoid? > > http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda7200.7.pdf > is the "data sheet" for the SATA version of the Seagate Barracuda. > > Section 4.3.2 ("Set Features command") on logical page 31 (physical > page 41) seems to indicate that the drive defaults to handling sector > writes via a write-back RAM cache, which the host OS can disable. > > Is it just me or is this a very bad default except (maybe) for > battery-backed systems? Is this a standard thing in IDE disks > (either the feature number or the default setting), something > Plan 9 should watch out for, nothing for me to worry my pretty > little head about, ...? It isn't enabled by default on all IDE HDDs AFAIK. Some recommend to enable it, because you get increased throughput, but some UNIX vendors do not, as you can get filesystem corruption in case of power failure. Journalling doesn't help here either IIRC. > > Dave Eckhardt Boris Maryshev -- A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining and wants it back the minute it begins to rain. -- Mark Twain From davel@anvil.com Tue Jul 13 20:11:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 18:06:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9993b3c_d4ab_11d8_8219_00304828b574_27917; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:06:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3475344895 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:06:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e95b7c48_d4ab_11d8_8e89_00304828b574_27914; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:06:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B5FDA7580FF; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:06:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF1B7580FA for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:06:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7026a2e_d4ab_11d8_8182_00304828b574_27880; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:06:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4633344A77 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:59:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f756fc6a_d4aa_11d8_89dc_00304828b574_20447; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:59:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4E0619DD7 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:59:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1970219B6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25586-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC92F19AFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 3F63D720B; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:02:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1CD70A7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:02:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F22F172AC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:58:16 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40F3A3CD.7030107@anvil.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:56:45 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 References: <80257bc2f91af565f7b696c4e4d9b66a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <80257bc2f91af565f7b696c4e4d9b66a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Kenji Okamoto wrote: >>Nikon has something >>special USB interface other than SDDR device... >> Check the camera settings: you may find it supports different modes (PTP?). Cheers, DaveL. From forsyth@terzarima.net Tue Jul 13 20:11:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 18:14:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fbcbc54e_d4ac_11d8_92fe_00304828b574_3741; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:14:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B614B3443B5 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:14:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fb90261a_d4ac_11d8_93ed_00304828b574_3710; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:14:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E90D8758102; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:13:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBDC75810F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:13:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f3deaa54_d4ac_11d8_8d83_00304828b574_3481; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:13:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE1734417A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:10:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6c03ba70_d4ac_11d8_941c_00304828b574_31569; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:10:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 805DB19E5A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:09:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B58B019D7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25358-02-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 167E819C6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <80c90c50264d433c9b2e4b74b10bc072@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Charles Forsyth Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:04:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7697b982eca0d2ba56b0c1f05a4b07f8@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu TWAIN is a (rather elaborate) software interface, for applications to use, paired with a device-specific target driver that does the translation between TWAIN requests and the device's own protocol, and never the twain shall meet, so knowing TWAIN does not guarantee being able to talk to any given device. you still need a driver from the manufacturer, in general. thus, for a system such as Plan 9, one might as well design a reasonable interface to such things. as a `union' interface, TWAIN is so big and complicated I'd be somewhat surprised if there were many devices that implemented most of it directly. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jul 13 20:11:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 18:16:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 59220442_d4ad_11d8_834a_00304828b574_6324; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CF1344571 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 58e0c78e_d4ad_11d8_829b_00304828b574_6321; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 354397580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E956C7580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 58abe30c_d4ad_11d8_9355_00304828b574_6318; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08285344571 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 58004b64_d4ad_11d8_9f1c_00304828b574_6315; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41C3419BFD for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:16:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D49B519BFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28764-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35F9219BE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:00 +0900 In-Reply-To: <40F3A3CD.7030107@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Kenji Okamoto wrote: > >>>Nikon has something >>>special USB interface other than SDDR device... >>> > Check the camera settings: you may find it supports different modes (PTP?). Mine has two items, PTP and Mass Storage, and I'm selecting Mass Storage. Kenji From sankhukai@free.fr Tue Jul 13 20:30:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 20:28:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3714f1c_d4bf_11d8_9156_00304828b574_22938; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:28:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BA6345D1E for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c33a71ae_d4bf_11d8_991f_00304828b574_22935; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8F4077580FA; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:28:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CD57580F9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c2ff1b7c_d4bf_11d8_97f0_00304828b574_22932; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C3A345D1E for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:28:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c251972c_d4bf_11d8_847e_00304828b574_22928; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:28:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C4F219988 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:28:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA39619ADA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07651-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7093F19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tatouine (lns-p19-19-82-65-142-22.adsl.proxad.net [82.65.142.22]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 620CD1740CB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:28:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002e01c468cc$76928f30$0200a8c0@tatouine> From: "Sankhukai" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <40efca40$0$17505$636a15ce@news.free.fr> <40F29AEA.8070102@enerla.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Mysql client on Plan 9 !! Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:28:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu thanks for your help If you're still interested in this project i will send you all the source code. I'm close to finish this client but i want to update it with a ssl support in the transaction (authentification, data stream ...). This client is based on ftpfs using same procedure If you're still interested, just answer this email thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "bituman" Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] Mysql client on Plan 9 !! > heres my email addr, i already wrote a mysql client for various OSes, > contact me and i gladly help. From sankhukai@news.free.fr Tue Jul 13 22:27:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 21:07:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39aa8504_d4c5_11d8_8f4b_00304828b574_27754; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:07:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744C5344E8F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:07:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39702940_d4c5_11d8_8331_00304828b574_27748; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:07:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 54E017580FD; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:07:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CE37580FC for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:07:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 392afce4_d4c5_11d8_83e5_00304828b574_27743; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:07:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4A6344E8F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:07:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 38819d84_d4c5_11d8_84c1_00304828b574_27734; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:07:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4AF8519E6F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:07:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34DAF19DE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11717-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B13E19DDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BkM0w-0003dl-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:04:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:03:57 GMT From: free93 Message-ID: <40f3c634$0$15318$626a14ce@news.free.fr> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France References: <7970e7cf4debabc3a611c1156d5d2465@juice.thebigchoice.com>, <200407131128.38737.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> Subject: Re: [9fans] Mysql client on Plan 9 !! X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu yes, the mysql client speaks 9P as did ftpfs. You've got a filesystem with specific file descriptor where you can send query, get data stream .... :) "Boris Maryshev" a écrit dans le message de news:200407131128.38737.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee... > On Tuesday 13 July 2004 09:53, matt@proweb.co.uk wrote: > > although I have lost interest in mysql since discovering postgres, I am > > intreagued as to what file system you present for your client ? > Will it speak 9P? Then we'd have SQL filesystem, wouldn't we? > > > > does it have much benefit over 'ssh -C host mysql -n -u user database' ? > > > > matt > boris > -- > All his life he has looked away... to the horizon, to the sky, > to the future. Never his mind on where he was, on what he was doing. > -- Yoda From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jul 14 08:23:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 13 22:58:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ad1457fe_d4d4_11d8_9fef_00304828b574_26592; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:58:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877BB344668 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:58:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id acd95988_d4d4_11d8_966a_00304828b574_26586; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:58:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 173687580F9; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:58:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D08758101 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:58:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id abb05c32_d4d4_11d8_82f1_00304828b574_26445; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:58:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C075344668 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:57:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a4651cec_d4d4_11d8_9ea1_00304828b574_25928; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:57:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A6E1E19F65 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:57:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE18919D81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04238-02-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF31019B52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6DDvGCp028924 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:57:16 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6DDvGVU010602 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:57:16 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6DDvFwO015727 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:57:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:57:15 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu working with Xen has convinced me that devcons.c is not totally portable. The key problems are assumptions that certain devices are there, such as a uart. Also, there is the /* * how many different output devices do we need? */ comment, which leads me to believe whoever wrote it was thinking that all the permuations of devices for devcons were getting out of hand. There are a lot of cases in there. Your kernel has to define some symbols it might not really want to. If you don't have a uart, what do you do about uartputs? You have to define a dummy of course. So I got to wondering: what if we used the fact that namec is so simple and easy in the kernel? Define the following two files in devcons.c: consout consin Let me take the case of consout first. If you write this: +file to consout, devcons driver does a namec of 'file' and adds it to the list of files it writes to when it does output. So, e.g., echo +/dev/eia0 >>/dev/consout will add serial output for console output. Of course it can go to a file: echo +/log/console >>/dev/consout or a socket: echo +/net/tcp/blahblah >>/dev/consout (console logging to a remote machine) or a window you want: echo +/dev/wsys/9/cons >>/dev/consout console output goes to the window of your choice (try doing that in X!) or a pipe or whatever. to remove a file that is used as console output echo -file >>/dev/consout you can select some devices: cat /dev/consout | sed '/eai0/s/\+/-/' > /dev/consout eliminates console output to eia0 Now, we've got a really portable console output design. You can do the initial setup in main() in the kernel, you remove all the special cases, and you don't need special things like uartputs in devcons.c OK, what about input? I don't know. The multiple output case is easy to do, the input case I don't understand in all variants due to the use of interrupts for console input devices. I don't know how to hook them up. Currently, as interrupts happen on (e.g.) /dev/eia0, there is a callback (what else to call it?) that is provided by /dev/console to buffer up the characters and lower interrupt overhead. The driver for a console device has to know it is a driver for a console device, and it has to call the right thing in devcons. You get multiple console devices by making sure that each device that *might* be a console knows to call one of several console handlers from their own interrupt handler (I have the Xen stuff call echo()). Unlike almost everything else in Plan 9, you can't really use any random file for a console. So: echo +/dev/eia0 >>/dev/consin echo +/dev/xencons >>/dev/consin is not going to work, since xencons might be a socket. So does that kill this whole idea, or is there a way to do it, or is it just a bad idea? ron From capt.nemo@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 08:23:47 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 00:20:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1def59b4_d4e0_11d8_8d25_00304828b574_1222; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:20:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434A2345E4D for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:20:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1da7b7bc_d4e0_11d8_81c9_00304828b574_1192; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:20:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 29D1E7580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:20:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C437580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:20:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d6a97ba_d4e0_11d8_980b_00304828b574_1181; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:20:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD31E345E4D for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:20:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1cb76474_d4e0_11d8_8906_00304828b574_1022; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:20:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39A6919F0A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C697319D43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00946-01-83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A98A19D15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <70318f8bfcd8ebbeb1f5e454f1a3e057@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:19:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] (no subject) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Subect: mimio usb driver I've pushed to /n/sources/nemo the source for a usb driver for mimio electronic whiteboards. It's kind of fun to run it using a projector on the whiteboard. As it is, the colors generate button events. (black is 1, etc.) It's been exhaustivelly tested (i.e. it worked today for the first time). So use with care. I'll write a manual page and push it too. From sah@softcardsystems.com Wed Jul 14 08:23:47 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 02:52:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7871978e_d4f5_11d8_9d7e_00304828b574_5056; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:52:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AC0344B67 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 783f3d84_d4f5_11d8_8efa_00304828b574_5053; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8D2E97580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:52:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449107580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78001dde_d4f5_11d8_8c16_00304828b574_5050; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55796344B67 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7752df48_d4f5_11d8_9e59_00304828b574_5047; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 773A319E56 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:52:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E2DA19BD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23723-02-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B16B519B8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6E87JYs014800 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:07:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:07:19 -0500 (EST) From: Sam X-X-Sender: sah@athena To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme mail print X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu How do other acme mail users print out e-mails? I have a long flight itenerary and while I could sweep the whole window and run >lp, surely there's an easier way. An Edit of 1,$>lp doesn't seem to do it. Sam From rog@vitanuova.com Wed Jul 14 08:23:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 03:00:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b1a097e_d4f6_11d8_886f_00304828b574_11202; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:00:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78446344B9F for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:00:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8ae74b10_d4f6_11d8_9948_00304828b574_11196; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:00:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 57A897580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:00:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099987580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:00:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8aa23f48_d4f6_11d8_85d6_00304828b574_11191; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:00:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDA7344B9F for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:00:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89f76726_d4f6_11d8_92c1_00304828b574_11186; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:00:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52B2E19F74 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E77EB19E2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03868-02-79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9101119CC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme mail print Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:06:02 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > An Edit of 1,$>lp doesn't seem to do it. it should do. i usually do: Edit ,>lp you could do "lp body", or "lp 1/body.pdf" to print a pdf. the problems come when someone sends me html mail (e.g. an airline confirmation). i don't know any way of printing out a decent representation of a web page from plan 9 - i'm usually forced to go to windows for that, eugh. word and excel documents are bad too, aux/antiword notwithstanding. From sah@softcardsystems.com Wed Jul 14 08:23:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 03:08:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 963e5b56_d4f7_11d8_827b_00304828b574_17267; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:08:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E322344BC6 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 960672e0_d4f7_11d8_935d_00304828b574_17230; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8A8607580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:08:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9DC7580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 95cb65b0_d4f7_11d8_8a43_00304828b574_17227; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E47344BC6 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:08:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 950d1d44_d4f7_11d8_8593_00304828b574_17116; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:08:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DC7619E66 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:08:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D57019A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03868-02-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1A5D19CC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6E8MRRS014916 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:22:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:22:27 -0500 (EST) From: Sam X-X-Sender: sah@athena To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme mail print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > An Edit of 1,$>lp doesn't seem to do it. > > it should do. > > i usually do: Edit ,>lp Doh. Running 'Edit ,>lp' works. Highlighting ',>lp' and 2-1 chording Edit does not. Brain fart. Thanks - Sam From forsyth@terzarima.net Wed Jul 14 08:23:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 04:33:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 771aa03e_d503_11d8_8c78_00304828b574_25266; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:33:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567B1344C70 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:33:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76d8333e_d503_11d8_9653_00304828b574_25230; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:33:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 290487580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:33:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE78B7580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:33:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 769345bc_d503_11d8_91ea_00304828b574_25213; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:33:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9B8344C70 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:33:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75ccb226_d503_11d8_87c7_00304828b574_25122; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:33:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E53F819EAB for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:33:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F61A19AED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14902-02-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4A0319E2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41039197d5495c29b8a81bbc2fba1d0e@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme mail print From: Charles Forsyth Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:26:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu htmlfmt often works fine on confirmation htmls. From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jul 14 12:38:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 10:31:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 86a9d466_d535_11d8_840a_00304828b574_11704; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F8E34418D for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 867567ee_d535_11d8_8f15_00304828b574_11699; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6F99F758101; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:31:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EE8758103 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:31:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 83e6761c_d535_11d8_986e_00304828b574_11658; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:31:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B5434418D for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:24:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92e933c6_d534_11d8_9988_00304828b574_4114; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:24:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3ACC19EBC for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B00519E43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21014-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B926319DFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <882fc2f9657e61ebdecf99c01a858855@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:24:11 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe that the idea of console printing (if not input) is that the mechanism should be simple so that when the system is in trouble, it can still get a message out about the nature of the trouble. So the more mechanism needed to get characters printed, the less likely that goal is to be achieved. In particular, you'd really like the kernel to not block for long waiting for console output. Admittedly there's a fair bit of mechanism already. If only every PC came with a DECwriter attached as its console device. =E2= =98=BA From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jul 14 12:38:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 11:11:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d7a2a12_d53b_11d8_8ef3_00304828b574_14651; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:11:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6E43446DD for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:11:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d45dfdc_d53b_11d8_8895_00304828b574_14648; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:11:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AEDB97580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:11:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6804F7580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:11:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d072940_d53b_11d8_85d4_00304828b574_14645; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:11:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67ADC3446DD for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:11:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c4c9274_d53b_11d8_8a7e_00304828b574_14641; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:11:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 703C919FB5 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:10:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5241F19A20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13753-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9267319A21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2AZCp012665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:10:35 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2AYVU010944 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:10:34 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2AYwO022764 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:10:34 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:10:34 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: <882fc2f9657e61ebdecf99c01a858855@collyer.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Geoff Collyer wrote: > I believe that the idea of console printing (if not input) is that the > mechanism should be simple so that when the system is in trouble, it > can still get a message out about the nature of the trouble. So the > more mechanism needed to get characters printed, the less likely that > goal is to be achieved. In particular, you'd really like the kernel > to not block for long waiting for console output. Admittedly there's > a fair bit of mechanism already. I would actually be making the whole thing simpler, but judging by (lack of) reaction my idea did not get a good response. Ah well, that console code is still a bit messy. ron From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jul 14 12:38:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 11:42:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7eae593a_d53f_11d8_9637_00304828b574_12133; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:42:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB5F3442A9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:42:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e707d18_d53f_11d8_976c_00304828b574_12130; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:42:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1F8FF758105; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:42:47 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E23E758104 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:42:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b39d8ce_d53f_11d8_8746_00304828b574_12091; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:42:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D8A3442D0 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:30:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cc45d526_d53d_11d8_90ef_00304828b574_31138; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:30:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79D0219BBC for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:30:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C42AB19B8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03531-02-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E77B19AAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:30:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu It's just not the amount of mechanism at issue, but the odds of a panic message or other serious complaint being seen, for instance. If you've got console prints going only to a pipe, and the process reading the pipe blocks, for a while prints will go into pipe buffering (and not be seen) and then finally kernel processes doing prints will start to block when the pipe buffering fills. Actually, the panic case is worse: the message would go into pipe buffering, and no matter what the reading process is doing, the system will shut down and the reading process is unlikely to run (or run for long enough to matter), and again the message wouldn't be seen. So the user experience of a panic in that case would be either a mysterious hang of the entire system or a sudden blanking of the screen and a reboot, possibly both (the hang, a delay and a reboot). The current devcons is messy but pragmatic. Plugging your serial consoles into a console server gives you remote access to the consoles and logging. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Wed Jul 14 12:38:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 11:46:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f6071bca_d53f_11d8_80ff_00304828b574_16270; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:46:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8E33442D3 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:46:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5af4b16_d53f_11d8_9713_00304828b574_16228; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:46:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8250B758103; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:46:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CA5758100 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:45:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e248cf52_d53f_11d8_9258_00304828b574_15472; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:45:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319E0345225 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:34:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65c8f5d4_d53e_11d8_92a0_00304828b574_3065; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:34:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C213119F6B for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:34:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04D1A19BBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03531-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 573A919BB0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6dae1972705299296848e4b53ffab507@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:34:29 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I would actually be making the whole thing simpler, but judging by (lack > of) reaction my idea did not get a good response. > i think one must do something really outrageous to elicit reaction on this list nowadays. silence isn't necessarily discouraging, just a sign that either nobody cares or they've all gone to the beaches of california. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Wed Jul 14 12:38:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 11:46:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f8530024_d53f_11d8_96e3_00304828b574_16491; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:46:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1983442D3 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:46:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f81a225e_d53f_11d8_89b6_00304828b574_16458; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:46:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2ACB47580FE; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:46:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F56758120 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:45:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb24042a_d53f_11d8_9f8d_00304828b574_15617; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:45:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE763445E6 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:39:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ffc05dd0_d53e_11d8_8171_00304828b574_8555; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:39:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5A7319F53 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:39:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B7DB19E59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03373-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AE3519C13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5163edd58190d4009b6242e9a5030c82@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:38:37 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I would actually be making the whole thing simpler Actually I didn't understand why you needed that modification. Because of porting the system to another? Kenji From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jul 14 12:38:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 11:47:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27de6360_d540_11d8_90e1_00304828b574_17400; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EEE344349 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27a81670_d540_11d8_977e_00304828b574_17397; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A4C197580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC297580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 276640f6_d540_11d8_9fa6_00304828b574_17394; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8C2344349 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26866b5c_d540_11d8_8417_00304828b574_17391; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3506719F20 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:47:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D767519E9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27824-02-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32BF519E5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2lBCp014326 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:47:12 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2lB1p020047 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:47:11 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2lBwO023851 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:47:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:47:11 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Geoff Collyer wrote: > It's just not the amount of mechanism at issue, but the odds of a > panic message or other serious complaint being seen, for instance. If > you've got console prints going only to a pipe, and the process > reading the pipe blocks, for a while prints will go into pipe > buffering (and not be seen) and then finally kernel processes doing > prints will start to block when the pipe buffering fills. yes but ... it was not just a pipe. The thing I was proposing was to allow multiple console devices while - removing the hardcode junk that is in there now (What happens when you have a machine with NO uart and NO display -- I have some now -- simple -- no console output). port/devcons.c is no longer portable. - avoiding the hellish Linux 'structs with lots of initialized pointers' since in Plan 9 you can just do a namec() and get to the device that way. So using a pipe did not at all rule out using a serial port, AND a window, AND a tcp connection, AND vga if you were that crazy. Anyway, I'll stop talking and at some point try to implement it. > The current devcons is messy but pragmatic. Plugging your serial > consoles into a console server gives you remote access to the consoles > and logging. asuming you have a serial console. I have an HP K8 node with no serial console at all. This is going to be the common case soon -- those serial connectors are huge, require odd voltages, and vendors want them to go away. ron From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jul 14 12:38:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 11:47:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36e89f1a_d540_11d8_8fe5_00304828b574_17442; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6553443FA for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36b204d2_d540_11d8_9dae_00304828b574_17437; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DCAC07580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A107580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:47:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36793efe_d540_11d8_8968_00304828b574_17433; 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Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2lTCp014344 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:47:29 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2lTVU017485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:47:29 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2lTwO023861 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:47:29 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:47:29 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: <6dae1972705299296848e4b53ffab507@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > I would actually be making the whole thing simpler, but judging by (lack > > of) reaction my idea did not get a good response. > > > > i think one must do something really outrageous to elicit reaction on > this list nowadays. silence isn't necessarily discouraging, just a > sign that either nobody cares or they've all gone to the beaches of > california. > or are running MacOS :-) ron From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Wed Jul 14 12:38:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 11:50:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 832f2844_d540_11d8_9936_00304828b574_19406; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71973446AD for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 82f7a612_d540_11d8_84f8_00304828b574_19376; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C7D527580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF157580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 82b59204_d540_11d8_8c20_00304828b574_19339; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6E93446AD for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81fd81a0_d540_11d8_96a6_00304828b574_19268; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A96CA19EEE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:50:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E1FC19EC6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27824-02-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDB8F19EC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:49:27 +0900 In-Reply-To: <6dae1972705299296848e4b53ffab507@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > silence isn't necessarily discouraging, just a > sign that either nobody cares or they've all gone to the beaches of > california. Or this is the habbit of this list. I can rmind many cases with no react= ion when someone posted I made something and put it there. =E2=98=BA Kenji From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jul 14 12:38:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 11:50:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 921ef17c_d540_11d8_9657_00304828b574_19762; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FF2344679 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91e6c4e6_d540_11d8_8195_00304828b574_19759; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DE3747580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBF17580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91a9675e_d540_11d8_9af0_00304828b574_19756; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943A7344679 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 90f1f1be_d540_11d8_90c7_00304828b574_19752; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF70C19F16 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:50:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56AFA19F44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03373-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C059519F3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2nwCp014571 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:49:58 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2nw24025745 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:49:58 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6E2nwwO023926 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:49:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:49:58 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: <5163edd58190d4009b6242e9a5030c82@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > > I would actually be making the whole thing simpler > > Actually I didn't understand why you needed that modification. > Because of porting the system to another? the devices in port/devocns.c are hardcoded to assume that there's a keyboard, a uart, a vga console in some form or another. There are queues and pointers in there that get initialized in random places. Random different devices initialize (or don't) those variables to enable different kinds of console I/O. I understand the pragmatism, but it's a jungle in there. There are machines that don't have keyboard, uarts, or vga coming out now. port/devcons.c is living on borrowed time and we need to do better. ron From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Wed Jul 14 12:38:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 11:51:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bbba6b92_d540_11d8_81eb_00304828b574_20576; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E5D3445BF for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb863fde_d540_11d8_8c2f_00304828b574_20573; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B5A347580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9197580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb4d332e_d540_11d8_87e0_00304828b574_20570; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C47434471B for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba922a48_d540_11d8_83d9_00304828b574_20567; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94CFC19ECC for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:51:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0096D19EB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03373-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A2AF19EB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <62d1d44c9b3fd93e7d67709fd50bc22c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:23 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > or are running MacOS :-) Because it comes with no sources? =E2=98=BA Kenji From cross@math.psu.edu Wed Jul 14 14:06:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 13:16:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 891e79ec_d54c_11d8_9e15_00304828b574_30613; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:16:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3E734478F for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:16:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 88e3b2bc_d54c_11d8_8e90_00304828b574_30609; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:16:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BA8327580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:16:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E9E7580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:16:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 88ad2102_d54c_11d8_86a8_00304828b574_30573; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:16:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B90934478F for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:16:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87eda386_d54c_11d8_930e_00304828b574_30261; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:16:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 22FEB19F38 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:16:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91BCE19F0A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14405-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35A4F19AB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6E4FhMC021748 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i6E4FhP00696 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407140415.i6E4FhP00696@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:15:43 -0400 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] VirtualPC and kernel recompile causes CPU usage to skyrocket? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I just recompiled my kernel on my Mac using VirtualPC 6 (CONF=pcf) and the CPU usage on the machine (the Mac) all of a sudden shot up to 100%; mouse movements in the virtual PC seem really jerky and everything is sort of sluggish. Does anyone have any ideas off the top of their head as to what might be up? Or do I need to dig deeper? I suppose the last time I mucked with the kernel would have been in January before I went on active duty. Thanks! - Dan C. From cross@math.psu.edu Wed Jul 14 14:06:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 13:31:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b006d764_d54e_11d8_9eb3_00304828b574_10617; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:31:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250463452C2 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:31:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id afd39f98_d54e_11d8_907a_00304828b574_10614; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:31:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0A81C7580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:31:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CF77580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:31:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id af8adf24_d54e_11d8_9c1e_00304828b574_10611; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:31:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AB33452C2 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:31:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aecfe674_d54e_11d8_94da_00304828b574_10607; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:31:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F25E19F4C for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:31:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D97F319B7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14420-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3725F19A78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6E4VAMC022990 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i6E4VAP00788 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407140431.i6E4VAP00788@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:57:15 MDT." Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:31:10 -0400 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Maybe this is relevant, maybe not. My brain's been shot (uhh, not literally for anyone who might wonder about that statement) over the last few months so bear with me. I have a digital camera that uses the mass storage protocol over USB. I looked briefly at writing a driver for it, but realized at one point that I would have to duplicate a lot of code to speak, e.g., the SCSI protocol over USB to talk to it. It occured to me that one way to deal with it might be to write a SCSI loopback device that would speak the SCSI protocol to/from a file descriptor that was passed into it somehow (say by mounting it on one). Then a user-level program could provide a transport over say USB and let something above it talk SCSI so it would still look like a disk as far as the rest of the system was concerned. As for console input, we already have a console input file, right? Or at least a keyboard input file that effectively emulates a console input file. Can't we just cat whatever into that file to provide console input from multiple sources? E.g., cat /dev/eia0 > /dev/kbdin (possibly parsing what comes out of /dev/eia0 to look for latin1() style key sequences. Perhaps it's time to look at pulling latin1() out of the kernel and plonking it into libc again. Everything that needs to do alt sequences uses it, why is it still in the kernel? But I digress). That is, just put the loopback in userland where it belongs. I think you're trying to get at something more subtle, though, and I'm probably missing the point. - Dan C. From cross@math.psu.edu Wed Jul 14 14:06:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 13:36:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f95a894_d54f_11d8_8fe3_00304828b574_14532; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:36:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9823452D2 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:36:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f5dd2ac_d54f_11d8_80c7_00304828b574_14529; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:36:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 66C477580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:36:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7F27580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:36:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f2300be_d54f_11d8_8a00_00304828b574_14526; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:36:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2483E3452D2 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:36:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6e6dcf0a_d54f_11d8_9313_00304828b574_14523; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:36:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F50A19F63 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:36:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9312E19F13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14420-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1FEF719C72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6E4aYMC023391 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i6E4aYP00834 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407140436.i6E4aYP00834@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:34:29 MDT." <6dae1972705299296848e4b53ffab507@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:36:34 -0400 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu andrey mirtchovski writes: > i think one must do something really outrageous to elicit reaction on > this list nowadays. silence isn't necessarily discouraging, just a > sign that either nobody cares or they've all gone to the beaches of > california. There are beaches in California? Oh, that's what the Mojave desert is! Surfs up, dude! If I grab my board and start running for the water, I should make it in ... about three days. I guess the tide will have gone out by then. Random Boydism: God, I hate this state. ``UA, I wanna go home!!'' (Reaches....) - Dan C. From cross@math.psu.edu Wed Jul 14 14:06:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 13:41:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 158ff4e8_d550_11d8_91ae_00304828b574_18799; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA173452F3 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 15592990_d550_11d8_8154_00304828b574_18796; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D641C7580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFE07580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14e1ff00_d550_11d8_9a8c_00304828b574_18792; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3529A3452F3 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 142bac78_d550_11d8_9895_00304828b574_18789; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B519319FEE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:40:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8471419A9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14420-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CCE219AB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6E4edMC023819 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i6E4ecP00889 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407140440.i6E4ecP00889@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:23 +0900." <62d1d44c9b3fd93e7d67709fd50bc22c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:40:38 -0400 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Kenji Okamoto writes: > > > or are running MacOS :-) > > Because it comes with no sources? ☺ Not true! You can get the sources to MacOS X. Well, most of them anyway. I suppose it is technically true, though, as you have to go get them seperately: they don't come with the system. :-) - Dan C. (ps- Nemo is Dr. Evil: ``I will call it, `The Allen Parson Project!' '') From 9nut@9netics.com Wed Jul 14 14:06:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 14:01:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d536515a_d552_11d8_9826_00304828b574_2625; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:01:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C17B345359 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:01:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5007350_d552_11d8_8afe_00304828b574_2618; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:01:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 682177580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:01:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEEC7580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:01:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d4c3bd70_d552_11d8_845e_00304828b574_2615; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:01:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F000345359 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:01:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d40bf294_d552_11d8_9571_00304828b574_2543; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:01:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C301A19F3A for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:01:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B135719F13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14586-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17BA019EFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8ca02d1523e9fc3a4a8938787f98e9e5@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:00:44 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> i think one must do something really outrageous to elicit reaction on >> this list nowadays. silence isn't necessarily discouraging, just a >> sign that either nobody cares or they've all gone to the beaches of >> california. >>=20 >=20 > or are running MacOS :-) ron 1 : rob 0 =E2=98=BA From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jul 14 17:53:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 14:22:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c38eaa94_d555_11d8_9d17_00304828b574_22405; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:22:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A323447D4 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:22:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3551626_d555_11d8_89ef_00304828b574_22377; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:22:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 76B84758103; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:22:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF137580FB for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:22:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c0cf55ba_d555_11d8_9759_00304828b574_22096; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:22:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34B73447D4 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:16:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9f6d55e_d554_11d8_80de_00304828b574_15821; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:16:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A64FF19F4A for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:16:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAF6C19F16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11171-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F013819B01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f9a7273973b108984291e13e0febd3e@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:15:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > There are machines that don't have keyboard, uarts, or vga coming out now. Maybe I (we) should finally read ericvh's paper on Console Over Ethernet (actually over TCP) from a Usenix ago: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/full_papers/kistler/kistler_html/. Ron, can you cite model numbers of the sorts of machines you're taking about? From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jul 14 17:53:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 15:42:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0336a3ee_d561_11d8_8066_00304828b574_27884; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D297F34437E for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 028a4608_d561_11d8_8f61_00304828b574_27873; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 97B5D7580FD; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586057580FC for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 023dddf4_d561_11d8_8f90_00304828b574_27868; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D86834437E for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:37:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 57aa1e2a_d560_11d8_8eb6_00304828b574_22712; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:37:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 883E21A00B for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:37:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D8BE19AF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26538-03-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACCD519F4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f595cc18e4bf04cac6587d952034233@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:36:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: <9f9a7273973b108984291e13e0febd3e@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like this is a job for LinuxBIOS (serial port emulation per future directions in the paper), so back to you, Ron! =E2=98=BA From matt@proweb.co.uk Wed Jul 14 22:50:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 19:32:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0f1eef0c_d581_11d8_8830_00304828b574_475; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:32:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DED83454E5 for ; 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Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:32:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A13CF19DBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24255-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc3-nott7-3-0-cust54.nott.cable.ntl.com [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD92F19AF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8475f74f8d5360fd4262360f61aae5fa@juice.thebigchoice.com> From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:34:30 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi Ron, I thought it sounded like a good idea it's just not something I feel qualified to comment on being able to set consoles in plani.ini to console=+/tcp/host/875 sounds like it adds flexibility while, if your coding assumptions are correct, it reduces complexity elsewhere m From davel@anvil.com Wed Jul 14 22:50:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:39:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B197120 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:39:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559E8172AC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:34:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40F53616.9070407@anvil.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:33:10 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: OT: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able References: <62d1d44c9b3fd93e7d67709fd50bc22c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <62d1d44c9b3fd93e7d67709fd50bc22c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu No, because they're cute. (Guess what DaveL just got given?) I finally gave in the battle, accepted a friend's donation of an eMac=20 and I am unembarrassed to say I'm hooked. davel. Kenji Okamoto wrote: >>or are running MacOS :-) >> =20 >> > >Because it comes with no sources? =E2=98=BA > >Kenji > > =20 > From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jul 14 22:50:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 22:48:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b3dc558_d59c_11d8_9c15_00304828b574_10311; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:48:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF6C34463B for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:48:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b07bd82_d59c_11d8_9ede_00304828b574_10308; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:48:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3AAF97580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:48:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E539C7580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:48:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7acdb394_d59c_11d8_9b64_00304828b574_10305; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:48:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E954134463E for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:48:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a15335a_d59c_11d8_98b6_00304828b574_10296; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:48:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E84EE19C68 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:48:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15F0A19D3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00259-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7869819C68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EDlxCp012692 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:47:59 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EDlx1p014491 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:47:59 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EDlwwO011096 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:47:59 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:47:58 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: <9f9a7273973b108984291e13e0febd3e@collyer.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Geoff Collyer wrote: > > There are machines that don't have keyboard, uarts, or vga coming out now. > > Maybe I (we) should finally read ericvh's paper on Console Over > Ethernet (actually over TCP) from a Usenix ago: > http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/full_papers/kistler/kistler_html/. I don't have the model number of the HP machine without serial, I put it back in the box when I realized what a headache it would be. The keyboard-less, vga-less, serial-less nodes are all blades at this point. [[some not sold yet ]] ron From rminnich@lanl.gov Thu Jul 15 22:26:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 23:05:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da7f3c7a_d59e_11d8_8077_00304828b574_23938; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:05:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E8C3455C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:05:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da4c812c_d59e_11d8_88d3_00304828b574_23935; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:05:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0A4A57580FA; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:05:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F137580F9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:05:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da0d5a6a_d59e_11d8_9569_00304828b574_23932; 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Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by neuromancer.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server (Backup MX)) with ESMTP id 311C91B54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EE4jCp016590 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:04:45 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EE4iVU012861 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:04:44 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EE4iwO011962 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:04:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:04:43 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: <8475f74f8d5360fd4262360f61aae5fa@juice.thebigchoice.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 matt@proweb.co.uk wrote: > I thought it sounded like a good idea it's just not something I feel > qualified to comment on well, that's enough for me, I'll prototype it under Xen :-) ron From davel@anvil.com Thu Jul 15 22:26:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 23:08:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3cf634e4_d59f_11d8_98cd_00304828b574_26114; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:08:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515A034561A for ; 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Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:06:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40F53D8A.4080005@anvil.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:04:58 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able References: <8475f74f8d5360fd4262360f61aae5fa@juice.thebigchoice.com> In-Reply-To: <8475f74f8d5360fd4262360f61aae5fa@juice.thebigchoice.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Problem is, when there's a "panic: smashed stack" type condition, after that, the only complexity that matters is the complexity of the code path leading to the characters becoming humanly visible. I tend to agree with (?jmk?) that serial lines and terminal servers are the way to go for the moment: the serial line gets the bits easily out of the danger zone (the dying machine), and you can then log them at leisure. As to the future, I'm sure that we'll all have USB consoles in a few years. Oh, joy. Is there any space in nvram where one could dump the last N bytes of console output? At least that way you'd be able to see it eventually ... Of course, what would be cool would be a "panic display": an lcd with some nvram that keeps the last message in it. DaveL. matt@proweb.co.uk wrote: >Hi Ron, > >I thought it sounded like a good idea it's just not something I feel qualified to comment on > >being able to set consoles in plani.ini to console=+/tcp/host/875 >sounds like it adds flexibility while, if your coding assumptions are correct, it reduces complexity elsewhere > >m > > From rminnich@lanl.gov Thu Jul 15 22:26:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 23:08:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4fb42a50_d59f_11d8_942f_00304828b574_26257; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:08:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81AE34561E for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:08:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f7c59b8_d59f_11d8_9197_00304828b574_26254; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:08:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A46DD7580FB; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:08:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598D17580FA for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:08:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f41488c_d59f_11d8_8e7a_00304828b574_26251; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:08:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E95434561E for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:08:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e8a1338_d59f_11d8_851a_00304828b574_26245; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:08:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85DA1199EE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:08:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBB0D199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14201-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7436D19C1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EE8CCp017629 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:08:13 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EE8CVU014777 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:08:12 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EE8CwO012268 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:08:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:08:11 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: OT: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: <40F53616.9070407@anvil.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Dave Lukes wrote: > No, because they're cute. (Guess what DaveL just got given?) > > I finally gave in the battle, accepted a friend's donation of an eMac > and I am unembarrassed to say I'm hooked. Me too. I have an ibook. Not my only laptop, just the one I like the best so far. MacOS makes Linux's attempt to emulate Win XP look pretty sad. ron From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 15 22:26:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 14 23:55:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ddf865c8_d5a5_11d8_8ca3_00304828b574_5133; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DD7344217 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ddbdfe42_d5a5_11d8_84a7_00304828b574_5127; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AE7577580FE; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:55:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67A4758115 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:55:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d9e4c328_d5a5_11d8_8622_00304828b574_5079; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:55:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D638344217 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:54:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id baf333a0_d5a5_11d8_9abe_00304828b574_3960; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:54:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 695C419FB9 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:54:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A93619F88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23611-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5986019F8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.44]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D698737947 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <010b01c469b2$233a8770$2cfb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <8475f74f8d5360fd4262360f61aae5fa@juice.thebigchoice.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:52:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > being able to set consoles in plani.ini to console=+/tcp/host/875 > sounds like it adds flexibility ... sure, but, as geoff said, i don't like the failure modes. stuffing the last n lines of 'console' output to grab on reboot might solve the failure mode issue, but you'll need somewhere to stick it and a guarantee it'll get there. of course linux have already broken this because the 3 zillion lines of output on reboot will probably overflow any 'reasonably' sized 'place'. From rminnich@lanl.gov Thu Jul 15 22:26:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 00:03:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 009520ca_d5a7_11d8_932d_00304828b574_11746; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:03:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A68344515 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:03:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 00620546_d5a7_11d8_9cd1_00304828b574_11743; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:03:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DA5D07580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:03:44 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917CB7580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:03:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 00220e46_d5a7_11d8_91ee_00304828b574_11740; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:03:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F7E344515 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:03:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ff6a9392_d5a6_11d8_847c_00304828b574_11737; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:03:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9964419F71 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:03:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4203B19BBE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23611-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74D1E19C64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EF3DCp006082 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:03:13 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EF3D24023085 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:03:13 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EF3DwO016133 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:03:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:03:12 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: <40F53D8A.4080005@anvil.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Dave Lukes wrote: > Problem is, when there's a "panic: smashed stack" type condition, > after that, the only complexity that matters is the complexity of the > code path leading to the characters becoming humanly visible. weirdly enough, I've used ethernet consoles on linux for a while (UDP however) and you can have fairly amazing levels of oops that you can get out over the network ... > Is there any space in nvram where one could dump the last N > bytes of console output? At least that way you'd be able to see it > eventually ... you have a hard limit on rewriting flash. There's no NVRAM big enough for the messages. Life sucks. > Of course, what would be cool would be a "panic display": an lcd with > some nvram that keeps the last message in it. not a good idea for 1024+ ondes ... ron From knapjack@gmail.com Thu Jul 15 22:26:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 00:32:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5d4c70e_d5aa_11d8_9c4a_00304828b574_1768; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:32:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D64344F29 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:32:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5a0c0a8_d5aa_11d8_9b1c_00304828b574_1731; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:32:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 99A297580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:32:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE477580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:32:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f529f32e_d5aa_11d8_94b3_00304828b574_1689; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:32:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2536F344F2B for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:32:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f468717c_d5aa_11d8_8882_00304828b574_1566; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:32:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33A06199D4 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:32:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8626019B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22118-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 17BFF19B52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d5so485559rng for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.9.24 with SMTP id 24mr299445rni; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c062040714083119458d70@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:31:37 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: OT: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:08:11 -0600 (MDT), ron minnich wrote: > Me too. I have an ibook. Not my only laptop, just the one I like the best > so far. My wife is always kicking me off her iBook. I would buy a second one in a heartbeat if I had the extra disposable income. (I also notice the latest Inferno emu seems to fly on OSX, even using X). -Jack From rs_rlab@mail.ru Thu Jul 15 22:26:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 01:12:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8fbc3b90_d5b0_11d8_9f25_00304828b574_4945; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:12:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9488F34442D for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:12:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f81b542_d5b0_11d8_8951_00304828b574_4915; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:12:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1B7287580FC; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:12:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14737580FB for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:12:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d501782_d5b0_11d8_9d6d_00304828b574_4679; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:12:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C2E34442D for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:06:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b64f1742_d5af_11d8_88d5_00304828b574_30333; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:06:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45A8E19F8C for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56273199D8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03340-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACB0219E61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [217.117.76.22] (port=3014 helo=pc) by mx2.mail.ru with smtp id 1BkmGI-0002R4-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:05:40 +0400 Message-ID: <005b01c469bc$9b2f6840$164c75d9@pc> From: "Reva Sergey" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:05:16 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Problem with network X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans! Help to configure a network. I has installed Plan 9 under WM Ware Workstation 4. Network I has configured and DNS works properly, but I can connect only to my host-machine (Windows XP Professional). In than problem? This is my /lib/ndb/local ;======================Clipboard================== # # files comprising the database, use as many as you like, see ndb(6) # database= file=/lib/ndb/local file=/lib/ndb/common ipnet=workgroup ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=192.168.0.1 dns=192.168.0.1 proto=tcp ip=192.168.0.2 sys=rlab_plan9 ether=000c292bb92b ip=192.168.0.1 sys=pc ether=005056c00001 auth=sources.cs.bell-labs.com authdom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com ;=====================End clipboard=================== From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 15 22:26:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 01:18:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68479f36_d5b1_11d8_8fd4_00304828b574_12010; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:18:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC58A344266 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:18:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 680c2f82_d5b1_11d8_9181_00304828b574_12002; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:18:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C981B7580F9; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:18:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44619758109 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:18:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 624f2d7e_d5b1_11d8_91db_00304828b574_11479; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1375B344562 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:16:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1eb51b5a_d5b1_11d8_8516_00304828b574_9596; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:16:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDBF219FD2 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:16:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFCA719CAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21807-03-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D0AC19A5E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.44]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 48E3A37A23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:15:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <01a201c469bd$896b1bd0$2cfb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:13:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > weirdly enough, I've used ethernet consoles on linux for a while (UDP > however) and you can have fairly amazing levels of oops that you can get > out over the network ... now, IL is a RDP so you could have a machine(s) somewhere that grabbed console messages over IL and wrote them somewhere. oh dear, this is sounding like syslog. From cross@math.psu.edu Thu Jul 15 22:26:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 03:30:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e13a71fe_d5c3_11d8_97ee_00304828b574_23209; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:30:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C999B344F73 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:30:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e108d554_d5c3_11d8_8ec7_00304828b574_23206; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:30:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AC3447580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:30:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621AC7580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:30:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0c811f4_d5c3_11d8_8e8e_00304828b574_23203; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:30:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CFF344F73 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:30:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0102864_d5c3_11d8_9f88_00304828b574_23200; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:30:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62CC919FD2 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:30:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2105319EAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03262-01-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E57319E92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6EITpMC026204 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i6EITpP03415 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407141829.i6EITpP03415@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:47:58 MDT." Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:29:50 -0400 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ron minnich writes: > The keyboard-less, vga-less, serial-less nodes are all blades at this > point. [[some not sold yet ]] Oo! Oo! Do they have USB?? Okay, I'm going back into my corner now. - Dan C. 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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C469DC.4D185B60-- From rminnich@lanl.gov Thu Jul 15 22:27:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 04:43:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ea90fec_d5ce_11d8_9a80_00304828b574_20916; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:43:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA50344BF1 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:43:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e725cc2_d5ce_11d8_873f_00304828b574_20913; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:43:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D9ACF7580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:43:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED2B7580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:43:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e0dc6e0_d5ce_11d8_831f_00304828b574_20910; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:43:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6A7344BF1 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:43:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0d53f3aa_d5ce_11d8_821d_00304828b574_20907; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:43:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2333719F6C for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:43:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4807419D0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16393-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6345619B72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EJgtCp019624 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:42:56 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EJgt1p028627 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:42:55 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EJgrwO032394 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:42:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:42:53 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: <200407141829.i6EITpP03415@augusta.math.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Dan Cross wrote: > ron minnich writes: > > The keyboard-less, vga-less, serial-less nodes are all blades at this > > point. [[some not sold yet ]] > > Oo! Oo! Do they have USB?? Okay, I'm going back into my corner now. sadly, yes. Vendors like that usb stuff for some reason. It makes my brain hurt, watching the gyrations of people trying to write boot code for USB dongles. ron From palazzol@comcast.net Thu Jul 15 22:27:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 05:24:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id db39eb3a_d5d3_11d8_9351_00304828b574_24414; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:24:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80F2344546 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:24:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id db020d32_d5d3_11d8_9b60_00304828b574_24410; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:24:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 93F497580FF; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:24:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BB37580FE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:24:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d92787bc_d5d3_11d8_8e04_00304828b574_24389; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:24:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B74D3446A7 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:18:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9f1e7c2_d5d2_11d8_8baf_00304828b574_17678; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:18:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4A4219D1C for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:18:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D291E19D17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02931-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from westland.gr-lakes.com (unknown [209.114.228.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24C0A19C83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Frank (64.1.120.130.ptr.us.xo.net [64.1.120.130]) by westland.gr-lakes.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6EKBmW00893 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:11:48 -0400 From: "Frank Palazzolo" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:19:39 -0400 Organization: Knarfian Labs Message-ID: <001601c469df$e53425c0$1600100a@Frank> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-From: palazzol@comcast.net Subject: RE: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu A friend of mine just pointed out - we need all this legacy-free stuff = for a port to the xbox ;) No serial/parallel/ps2 ports - only USB. It would make a cheap = terminal, however. -Frank From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jul 15 22:27:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 05:26:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a3e1ba8_d5d4_11d8_8ede_00304828b574_26575; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4533441E4 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 19d3a246_d5d4_11d8_95d9_00304828b574_26566; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3EBD57580FC; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E30758102 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 16bbc46c_d5d4_11d8_8e43_00304828b574_26535; 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Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <444e999c69b8f67c65ef2ff9ce520927@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:14:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-hogypmsnojngpkmbbmtkcssnqp" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-hogypmsnojngpkmbbmtkcssnqp Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually, although i thought it could have been better in many ways, i didn't think USB-the-protocol was all that bad. the class/subclass/proto from the start was obviously going to go the way of most global numbering systems, but the real difficulty was the strange hardware/software interface produced to drive it. it was differently strange for everyone. ambiguities in the standard as regards the nature of endpoints didn't help. i wonder if we ever make progress. now, of course, it would have a SOAPy web services enabled interface accessed by jakartatomcataxis servers in sillycon. --upas-hogypmsnojngpkmbbmtkcssnqp Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Wed Jul 14 20:46:09 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA2A619F27 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:43:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4807419D0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16393-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6345619B72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EJgtCp019624 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:42:56 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EJgt1p028627 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:42:55 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6EJgrwO032394 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:42:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:42:53 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able In-Reply-To: <200407141829.i6EITpP03415@augusta.math.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Dan Cross wrote: > ron minnich writes: > > The keyboard-less, vga-less, serial-less nodes are all blades at this > > point. [[some not sold yet ]] > > Oo! Oo! Do they have USB?? Okay, I'm going back into my corner now. sadly, yes. Vendors like that usb stuff for some reason. It makes my brain hurt, watching the gyrations of people trying to write boot code for USB dongles. ron --upas-hogypmsnojngpkmbbmtkcssnqp-- From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jul 15 22:27:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 05:26:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1dfc7492_d5d4_11d8_9312_00304828b574_26594; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594CB3441E4 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d96ad7e_d5d4_11d8_91bf_00304828b574_26591; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4A87C7580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82767580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d2f50ca_d5d4_11d8_80c0_00304828b574_26588; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223DC3441E4 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c215da4_d5d4_11d8_9c24_00304828b574_26585; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:26:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E26B19F20 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:26:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC7D919D17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20367-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71E3119C83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52911890b6ced529b4f95688ada08d6e@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:18:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <001601c469df$e53425c0$1600100a@Frank> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-tqxqevikdwelzbjfjgnnzjlhqs" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tqxqevikdwelzbjfjgnnzjlhqs Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit honestly, it's not so bad, especially compared to the average pc parallel port interface (which one??, and just how DO your uart's fifos work): i'm sure USB just needs a little elbow grease. and copious spare time. --upas-tqxqevikdwelzbjfjgnnzjlhqs Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Wed Jul 14 21:21:24 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88B3419F29 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:18:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D291E19D17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02931-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from westland.gr-lakes.com (unknown [209.114.228.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24C0A19C83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Frank (64.1.120.130.ptr.us.xo.net [64.1.120.130]) by westland.gr-lakes.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6EKBmW00893 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:11:48 -0400 From: "Frank Palazzolo" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:19:39 -0400 Organization: Knarfian Labs Message-ID: <001601c469df$e53425c0$1600100a@Frank> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MailScanner-From: palazzol@comcast.net Subject: RE: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu A friend of mine just pointed out - we need all this legacy-free stuff = for a port to the xbox ;) No serial/parallel/ps2 ports - only USB. It would make a cheap = terminal, however. -Frank --upas-tqxqevikdwelzbjfjgnnzjlhqs-- From geoff@collyer.net Thu Jul 15 22:27:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 06:06:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bcafc56c_d5d9_11d8_92cc_00304828b574_25827; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:06:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C139344E0C for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:06:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bc7d8a8e_d5d9_11d8_8afb_00304828b574_25824; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:06:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4EAE87580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:06:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062A07580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:06:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bc3dc4f8_d5d9_11d8_8b80_00304828b574_25821; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:06:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099B8344E0C for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:06:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb85c060_d5d9_11d8_9141_00304828b574_25818; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:06:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3378219EC5 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A80FB19C9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19463-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E843E19C95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Geoff Collyer Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:06:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <52911890b6ced529b4f95688ada08d6e@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I fetched all the documents cited in the initial block comments of the openbsd kernel's *hci* source files, which should be descriptions of the *HCI interfaces and the USB protocol definitions. I'll try to get them to Andrey for distribution on the web later today. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 15 22:27:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 06:34:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a56da0c_d5dd_11d8_998e_00304828b574_14673; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D23344A86 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:34:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89ab8148_d5dd_11d8_8ca2_00304828b574_14597; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:34:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E044B7580FD; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:34:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9547C7580FB for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:34:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89569ade_d5dd_11d8_9ec0_00304828b574_14593; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:34:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B094B344A86 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:33:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 83e47d82_d5dd_11d8_91a1_00304828b574_14016; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:33:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA92419FDA for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:33:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3131719D2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24337-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1F2119D36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.60]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 88C84378D0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:33:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003f01c469e9$ee72e4a0$3c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <001601c469df$e53425c0$1600100a@Frank> Subject: Re: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:31:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > A friend of mine just pointed out - we need all this legacy-free stuff for a > port to the xbox ;) it'll be an ex-box after i'v chucked it out the window. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jul 15 22:27:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 09:57:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 01b7e1c4_d5fa_11d8_95d4_00304828b574_28635; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:57:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B283450F4 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:57:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0185b64a_d5fa_11d8_8b95_00304828b574_28632; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:57:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 05B4C7580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:57:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B073E7580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:57:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0143cbe0_d5fa_11d8_92e2_00304828b574_28629; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:57:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61793450F4 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:57:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 008d2782_d5fa_11d8_92f7_00304828b574_28626; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:57:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE86519FD8 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:57:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 957CA19F72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00152-02-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC36F19F6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <381a45d062b7ed54dba0a175f94c6267@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TODO lists for Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:56:30 +0900 In-Reply-To: <6aebde77e6556eecda1516dcf84c0374@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu 4) USB strage device for Nikon CoolPix 3200 I found Richard had solved this already. He gave me his source, and I tried it to my Nikon digital camera, and it worked very fine for it. Now, I'm enjoying Nikon CoolPix 3200 (with 128MB SD card) connected to our Plan 9 system through USB port. Thank you very much Richard. Kenji From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 15 22:27:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 10:07:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61c55c6c_d5fb_11d8_8307_00304828b574_4440; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:07:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE93534511C for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:07:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61901f16_d5fb_11d8_8c89_00304828b574_4437; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:07:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A9DB27580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:07:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8387580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:07:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 615b844a_d5fb_11d8_8b1f_00304828b574_4432; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:07:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A33634511C for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:07:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60a11c72_d5fb_11d8_9572_00304828b574_4425; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:07:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E13E219FA6 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:07:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98AD419D32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06946-02-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45F4119BBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.60]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E0C14378E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:07:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006e01c46a07$c1f3eb40$3c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <381a45d062b7ed54dba0a175f94c6267@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:01:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] memory stick X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i like memory stick. do they publish the specs? can you boot off it? From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jul 15 22:27:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 10:11:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ef8944be_d5fb_11d8_9b50_00304828b574_8048; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:11:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98329344180 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:11:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eebb6bac_d5fb_11d8_84d4_00304828b574_8036; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:11:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F40687580FB; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:11:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1924D758107 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:11:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed37f1f6_d5fb_11d8_96aa_00304828b574_8018; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:11:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D606344180 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:11:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de7b1b8e_d5fb_11d8_9c10_00304828b574_7838; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:11:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C1F419F8B for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:11:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B35819BBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00152-02-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E107219BA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] memory stick From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:10:36 +0900 In-Reply-To: <006e01c46a07$c1f3eb40$3c587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i like memory stick. Why? Kenji From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jul 15 22:27:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 10:17:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c0a92ab4_d5fc_11d8_873d_00304828b574_13716; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AFB345148 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c0739732_d5fc_11d8_8d1d_00304828b574_13713; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5CE077580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113A47580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c035fdb4_d5fc_11d8_8146_00304828b574_13710; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088D2345148 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf75781e_d5fc_11d8_94cc_00304828b574_13707; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 340A619FC7 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:17:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5365119D32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07614-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0555F19C7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.60]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE263378F1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007401c46a09$20f05dd0$3c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] memory stick Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:14:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > i like memory stick. > > Why? - you can on stick in it one way - it has a physical write protect - 128Mb will give you 90 minutes of MPEG video - they are small - they are robust - i have a buncha vaios sou, desu ne? From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jul 15 22:27:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 10:29:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7aded87e_d5fe_11d8_9b69_00304828b574_23599; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6443459EB for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7aa942fe_d5fe_11d8_8388_00304828b574_23596; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 494AB7580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DF07580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a6ffbf2_d5fe_11d8_8571_00304828b574_23593; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F0C3459EB for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79b71b96_d5fe_11d8_9cdc_00304828b574_23590; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A25A19FAF for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:29:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6F3D19F72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26571-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 369DC19EA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3bbaf9caee748c4752f5762b5b04fe13@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] memory stick From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:15 +0900 In-Reply-To: <007401c46a09$20f05dd0$3c587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > - i have a buncha vaios Yes, I agree only this last line.=E2=98=BA Others are not the special feature of memory stick, I think. Do you know such as Clip Drive? It has the dimention of 70x17x10mm, and up to 512MB. Furthermore it can be attached direct to PC's USB connecter. We can now use this type of "memory stick" on Plan 9 by the work of Richard Miller, I'm considering to use them for my lecture instead of CDROM on notebook, and of course using=20 Plan 9. I can carry them very easy.=E2=98=BA Kenji From geoff@collyer.net Thu Jul 15 22:27:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 15 12:14:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21618d1e_d60d_11d8_82e7_00304828b574_23500; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:14:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3103442FA for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:14:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 212e37ca_d60d_11d8_87b6_00304828b574_23497; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:14:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 88C4C7580FA; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:14:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3873B7580F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:14:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 20e5c058_d60d_11d8_8916_00304828b574_23494; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:14:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAA63442FA for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:14:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 202f70dc_d60d_11d8_9f21_00304828b574_23489; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:14:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDCE919FD4 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:14:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C541319C9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17300-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29B2B19C7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8443f1dde23ef3186faa277a2ef343f0@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] port/devcons.c is not port-able From: Geoff Collyer Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:14:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: <00aba352392cbadebd943e05d1e17412@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Andrey has kindly put up the USB documentation at http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/usb under which you can find the individual PDF files. Or you can fetch the whole thing (~15MB) as http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/usb.tgz The documentation includes the [UOE]HCI interface specifications and the USB 1 and 2 protocol specifications. From plan9r@gmail.com Fri Jul 16 09:21:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 16 02:24:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c35c0c7c_d683_11d8_82d3_00304828b574_12363; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:24:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0091034552F for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:24:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c31d9faa_d683_11d8_8a4d_00304828b574_12347; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:24:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E03667580FA; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:24:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D557580F9 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:24:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c2e2e860_d683_11d8_9c3d_00304828b574_12344; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:24:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4EF34552F for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:23:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c22b7694_d683_11d8_8efa_00304828b574_12341; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:24:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 696E019FA5 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:23:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 742CA19D35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29352-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0937C19BA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 72so159721rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.104.4 with SMTP id b4mr447065rnc; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <67542fb304071510236607de6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:23:30 -0700 From: Plan9 User To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] serv nfs from plan9 to bsd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hello. my problem, i have bsd filesystem on laptop (192.168.1.105) but bsd broken to boot and bsd boot cd not boot either - problem is laptop not cd. i need copy fs from laptop to desktop (192.168.1.101) for fix. i read aux/nfsserver manpage but i not realy understand how to make it work. i try: term% aux/nfsserver -v -a il!192.168.1.101 nfs mount server init, starttime = 1089900820 addr = "il!192.168.1.101" term% aux/pcnfsd -a il!192.168.1.101 Jul 15 10:19:09 readunixidmaps can't open config: 'config' file does not exist Jul 15 10:19:09 aux/pcnfsd: listening to port 1111 term% aux/portmapper -a il!192.168.1.101 Jul 15 10:19:19 portmapper init Jul 15 10:19:19 aux/portmapper: listening to port 111 and on bsd (desktop) i try: csh% mount p9lap:/ /p9 but i get RPC time out. i boot plan9 from cdrom. how can i offer /dev/sdC0/bsd386 to copy by nfs? is this possible? all help gratefuly welcome. kv From michelecunico@online.ie Sat Jul 17 08:38:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 16 18:07:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8218bab0_d707_11d8_9e25_00304828b574_22243; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:07:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2332234419D for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:07:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81e469d6_d707_11d8_8b32_00304828b574_22233; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:07:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4AF6B7580FC; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:07:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B1A758110 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:06:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7d41c95a_d707_11d8_9670_00304828b574_21915; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:06:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795B8344598 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:05:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ba5ca32_d707_11d8_8522_00304828b574_20085; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:05:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9765C19FD2 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:04:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13B5319D62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18040-01-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.online.ie (mail.online.ie [213.159.130.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A703C19C91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.3.32] (helo=web1.www.online.ie) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BlOdz-0007yD-B9 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:04:39 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web1.www.online.ie with id i6G94cF20487 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:04:38 +0100 Received: from 82.193.9.8 ([82.193.9.8]) by mail.online.ie (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:04:38 +0100 Message-ID: <1089968678.40f79a26ce50a@mail.online.ie> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:04:38 +0100 From: Michele Cunico To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 82.193.9.8 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] radeon 9200se X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I've already write in this forum. I'm a new user of Plan 9. I've comp= leted installation but Plan can't recognize my Asus Radeon 9200SE. I've tried t= o do what indicate at http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html, afte= r complete the steps Plan said me my vga controller was not in /lib/vgadb s= o I've edited the file vgadb with the vid=3D0x1002 and did=3D0x5964 (that are sp= ec of my radeon) in the ctlr of radeon section so Plan can use the driver. Finally at boot Plan say me it don't know radeon ctlr. Please help me, I would like to see a graphic interface at my boot!!! Thanks in advice, Mykele From gdiaz@online.ie Sat Jul 17 08:38:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 16 18:48:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 586dcec0_d70d_11d8_84af_00304828b574_23389; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363A33452CA for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 583a3538_d70d_11d8_8a89_00304828b574_23386; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 271267580FA; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:48:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BFC7580F9 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:48:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 57fdcb84_d70d_11d8_863d_00304828b574_23383; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:48:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87BC3452CA for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:48:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 574f71e2_d70d_11d8_80f4_00304828b574_23379; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:48:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CA5E19D62 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:48:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6442E19DB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22506-02-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.online.ie (mail.online.ie [213.159.130.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 191D819D62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.3.33] (helo=web2.www.online.ie) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BlPKT-0007FZ-68 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:48:33 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.www.online.ie with id i6G9mXH25476 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:48:33 +0100 Received: from 179.Red-81-47-192.pooles.rima-tde.net (179.Red-81-47-192.pooles.rima-tde.net [81.47.192.179]) by mail.online.ie (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:48:32 +0200 Message-ID: <1089971312.40f7a470e9751@mail.online.ie> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:48:32 +0200 From: gdiaz@online.ie To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] radeon 9200se References: <1089968678.40f79a26ce50a@mail.online.ie> In-Reply-To: <1089968678.40f79a26ce50a@mail.online.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 81.47.192.179 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello can you detail the steps you followed?? - edit headers to include radeon files - compile kernel and aux/vga and install both on their respective locatio= ns - restart ? that is? gabi. Quoting Michele Cunico : > Hi! I've already write in this forum. I'm a new user of Plan 9. I've > completed > installation but Plan can't recognize my Asus Radeon 9200SE. I've tried= to do > what indicate at http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html, af= ter > complete the steps Plan said me my vga controller was not in /lib/vgadb= so > I've > edited the file vgadb with the vid=3D0x1002 and did=3D0x5964 (that are = spec of my > radeon) in the ctlr of radeon section so Plan can use the driver. > Finally at boot Plan say me it don't know radeon ctlr. > Please help me, I would like to see a graphic interface at my boot!!! > > Thanks in advice, > Mykele > From jj2042003@yahoo.com Sat Jul 17 08:38:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 16 18:52:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e98e3f7a_d70d_11d8_9773_00304828b574_26475; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:52:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA363452DA for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e95a72c6_d70d_11d8_9ea2_00304828b574_26472; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 90CC77580FA; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:52:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6B17580F9 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e920cb34_d70d_11d8_83cc_00304828b574_26469; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4DB3452DA for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8729ef6_d70d_11d8_98c8_00304828b574_26466; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97D2A19EDC for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:52:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C54B819E7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12160-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33A0C19E4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BlPBF-00053t-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:39:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:38:42 GMT From: jj Message-ID: <8ef9380a.0407150929.faf5a72@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: : neuromancer 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_WEBMAIL_END_NUMS6 X-Spam-Level: *** Subject: [9fans] Monitor + Screen size question X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am almost done with the plan9 install on my laptop. I still have couple of issues. I read the man pages, but without sucess. This is the place for help, so I ask: 1. The rio window is way smaller than my actual laptop screen. I tried to change the file /env/vgasize, but the content will not change, at every restart, I still have 640x400x8. I also tried to run % echo size 1024x768x8 r8b8g8 > vgactl but this did not work. 2. I plan on attaching a screen to my laptop so I can use it more like a desktop, when I tried that earlier, rio would only appear on the laptop screen, but not the attached monitor. Is there a reason why? What is the file to edit? /env/monitor ? Also, I was really confused when I tried to change the content of /env/vgasize. I opened 2 terminals, changed the content of the file in terminal1, did cat and saw my changes, did cat on the same file in terminal2 and got the file as it was before my changes ? How come ? Is there a way to actually change the content of the /env/files using a text editor ? Sorry for all those confused newbie questions. The man pages are a pleasure to read by the way. Thanks. jj From gdiaz@online.ie Sat Jul 17 08:38:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 16 18:58:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab63f978_d70e_11d8_8266_00304828b574_31312; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:58:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7803452E8 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:58:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab314816_d70e_11d8_9ee6_00304828b574_31309; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:58:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BDE587580FA; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:58:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6753E7580F9 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:58:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aae6cf2a_d70e_11d8_8096_00304828b574_31306; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:58:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AC43452E8 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:58:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa0f9f46_d70e_11d8_95b8_00304828b574_31303; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:58:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C05DA19E97 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:58:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50A9219E7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12160-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.online.ie (mail.online.ie [213.159.130.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1F1019E0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.0.33] (helo=web2.www.online.ie) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BlPTY-0000bR-Tz for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:57:56 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.www.online.ie with id i6G9vuv25780 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:57:56 +0100 Received: from 179.Red-81-47-192.pooles.rima-tde.net (179.Red-81-47-192.pooles.rima-tde.net [81.47.192.179]) by mail.online.ie (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:57:56 +0200 Message-ID: <1089971876.40f7a6a4aaa50@mail.online.ie> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:57:56 +0200 From: gdiaz@online.ie To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Monitor + Screen size question References: <8ef9380a.0407150929.faf5a72@posting.google.com> In-Reply-To: <8ef9380a.0407150929.faf5a72@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 81.47.192.179 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, i think you must edit plan9.ini and set vgasize var to your preference, t= o do that, you can do the following: % 9fat: % cd /n/9fat % acme plan9.ini then edit, and change the line vgasize=3D640x480x8 to other like=3D1024x7= 68x16 write changes, and reboot to the second question, i suggest you read The use of the namespaces in p= lan9 paper in /sys/doc or in the plan9 webpage docs section. gabi. Quoting jj : > Hi, > > I am almost done with the plan9 install on my laptop. I still have > couple of issues. I read the man pages, but without sucess. This is > the place for help, so I ask: > > 1. The rio window is way smaller than my actual laptop screen. I > tried to change the file /env/vgasize, but the content will not > change, at every restart, I still have 640x400x8. I also tried to run > % echo size 1024x768x8 r8b8g8 > vgactl > but this did not work. > > 2. I plan on attaching a screen to my laptop so I can use it more > like a desktop, when I tried that earlier, rio would only appear on > the laptop screen, but not the attached monitor. Is there a reason > why? What is the file to edit? /env/monitor ? > > Also, I was really confused when I tried to change the content of > /env/vgasize. I opened 2 terminals, changed the content of the file in > terminal1, did cat and saw my changes, did cat on the same file in > terminal2 and got the file as it was before my changes ? How come ? Is > there a way to actually change the content of the /env/files using a > text editor ? > > Sorry for all those confused newbie questions. The man pages are a > pleasure to read by the way. > > Thanks. > > jj > From michelecunico@online.ie Sat Jul 17 08:38:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 16 19:06:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3d5000e_d70f_11d8_9869_00304828b574_5273; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:06:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3993C345834 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:06:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d39f006c_d70f_11d8_963f_00304828b574_5270; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:06:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 29AA07580FA; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:06:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EE47580F9 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:06:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d36780ce_d70f_11d8_91e1_00304828b574_5267; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:06:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59C3345834 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:06:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d2ba7212_d70f_11d8_97d3_00304828b574_5264; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:06:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B51919F23 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:06:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38DFC19CF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16263-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.online.ie (mail.online.ie [213.159.130.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0756819C97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.4.33] (helo=web2.www.online.ie) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BlPbX-00075N-Hg for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:06:11 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.www.online.ie with id i6GA6BS26199 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:06:11 +0100 Received: from 82.193.9.8 ([82.193.9.8]) by mail.online.ie (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:06:11 +0100 Message-ID: <1089972371.40f7a893636df@mail.online.ie> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:06:11 +0100 From: Michele Cunico To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] radeon 9200se MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 82.193.9.8 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable maybe that I haven't compiled kernel but I don't know how to do this. I've copied vgaradeon.c in /sys/src/9/pc and radeon in /sys/src/cmd/aux/v= ga I've copied radeon.c radeon.h in my /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga I've edited data.c, mkfile, vga.h I've edited /lib/vgadb and restart the instruction (very poor) was on howto at http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html From gdiaz@online.ie Sat Jul 17 08:38:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 16 19:17:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ed74298_d711_11d8_89cf_00304828b574_14799; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:17:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E7F34450D for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:17:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e11e638_d711_11d8_9472_00304828b574_14786; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:17:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D7C717580FC; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:17:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CAD7580F9 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:17:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4dabc650_d711_11d8_9939_00304828b574_14773; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:17:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8E934487B for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:15:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09b691f0_d711_11d8_81f9_00304828b574_12685; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:15:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7F3F19E91 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:15:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B56A019CF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03415-02-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.online.ie (mail.online.ie [213.159.130.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4693919C97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.4.33] (helo=web2.www.online.ie) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BlPjy-0003hr-BR for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:14:54 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.www.online.ie with id i6GAEsg26415 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:14:54 +0100 Received: from 179.Red-81-47-192.pooles.rima-tde.net (179.Red-81-47-192.pooles.rima-tde.net [81.47.192.179]) by mail.online.ie (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:14:53 +0200 Message-ID: <1089972893.40f7aa9db29a7@mail.online.ie> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:14:53 +0200 From: gdiaz@online.ie To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] radeon 9200se References: <1089972371.40f7a893636df@mail.online.ie> In-Reply-To: <1089972371.40f7a893636df@mail.online.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 81.47.192.179 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, to complete installation you must compile and install /sys/src/cmd/aux/vg= a, to to that you only have to do: % cd /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga % mk install that should compile and install the vga utillity that set up the screen the other thing is to compile de driver in to the kernel, you can obtaing information in the wiki webpage about compiling kernels, i think you probably should compile the kernel as follows: % cd /sys/src/9/pc % acme pccpuf include the vgareadeon +cur after the other vga drivers specifications, w= rite your changes and then % mk 'CONF=3Dpccpuf' that sohould compile your kernel, and place it in 9pccpuf file. then you should install it as follows: % 9fat: % cp /sys/src/9/pc/9pccpuf /n/9fat % cd /n/9fat % acme plan9.ini read the plan9.ini man page and add your new kernel to plan9.ini, i suggest you to make a boot menu, one option with the last kernel that w= orks, and other with the testing one :) after editing plan9.ini reboot, and enjoy plan9 :) gabi. Quoting Michele Cunico : > maybe that I haven't compiled kernel but I don't know how to do this. > > I've copied vgaradeon.c in /sys/src/9/pc and radeon in /sys/src/cmd/aux= /vga > I've copied radeon.c radeon.h in my /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga > I've edited data.c, mkfile, vga.h > I've edited /lib/vgadb > and restart > > the instruction (very poor) was on howto at > http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html > > From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jul 17 08:38:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 16 19:22:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 15d38be0_d712_11d8_9c77_00304828b574_20187; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:22:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2206E344435 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:22:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1521f308_d712_11d8_9fbb_00304828b574_20180; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:22:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D90D6758103; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:22:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91359758100 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:22:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14ceda56_d712_11d8_90c8_00304828b574_20175; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:22:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89085344435 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:17:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5c3b0ca8_d711_11d8_9d2c_00304828b574_14943; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:17:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6092719FC8 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:17:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B2A319CF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03415-02-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D99D19C97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.89.0]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BD68467203 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:16:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007601c46b1d$c3b9bdd0$00597d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <1089972371.40f7a893636df@mail.online.ie> Subject: Re: [9fans] radeon 9200se Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:14:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > maybe that I haven't compiled kernel but I don't know how to do this. you'll have to recompile aux/vga: cd /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga mk install and recompile the kernel (lets assume you're using 9pcf): cd /sys/src/9/pc mk 'CONF=pcf' 9pcf 9fat: cp 9pcf /n/9fat now reboot. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Sat Jul 17 08:38:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 16 20:51:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68f165ac_d71e_11d8_8266_00304828b574_1465; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:51:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3CE3441BD for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:51:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68bdd980_d71e_11d8_822e_00304828b574_1462; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:51:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 90AA7758105; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:50:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A128758109 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:50:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 665ad13e_d71e_11d8_87ba_00304828b574_1424; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:50:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31A33441E2 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:44:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 88b8bc7e_d71d_11d8_9dbd_00304828b574_27129; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:44:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B03A19F0C for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:44:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A23FE19D12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27324-02-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tackle.hq.iba.co.za (beam.iba.co.za [196.30.44.140]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE00919C2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] radeon 9200se Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 Acme Mail X-Disclaimer: Everything expressed is an opinion Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:55:57 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <1089972371.40f7a893636df@mail.online.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lucio De Re , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > the instruction (very poor) was on howto at > http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html I bet Philippe will not be thrilled with your comments. I don't have the wiki URL handy, but I would suggest you visit plan9.bell-labs.com and investigate the wiki from there. ++L From davide+receptionist@cs.cmu.edu Sat Jul 17 08:38:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 17 02:12:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c750fbe_d74b_11d8_965a_00304828b574_23669; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:12:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8913442DA for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:12:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c3d3b02_d74b_11d8_99e2_00304828b574_23665; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:12:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 16254758103; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:12:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B18E7580FF for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:12:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 47ddafa6_d74b_11d8_8f25_00304828b574_23550; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:12:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB9B3444DA for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:08:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b296b50a_d74a_11d8_9bec_00304828b574_18519; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:08:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9135819EE0 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:08:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD9DE19DE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26960-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 252B019D3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BlW7u-0001yG-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:04:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:03:09 GMT From: David Eckhardt Message-ID: Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon References: , <200407131148.29808.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> Subject: Re: [9fans] Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 write cache? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In article <200407131148.29808.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee>, Boris Maryshev <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote: >It isn't enabled by default on all IDE HDDs AFAIK. Some recommend to enable >it, because you get increased throughput, but some UNIX vendors do not, as >you can get filesystem corruption in case of power failure. Journalling >doesn't help here either IIRC. Sam Hopkins (sah@softcardsystems.com) pointed out to me in private mail this charming message: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0304.1/0450.html which is a post from a Maxtor employee to the effect that IDE drives are allowed to arbitrarily re-order writes if the "write cache" is turned on. Are fossil & venti ok with this? Should the sd driver try to turn off the "write cache" feature on IDE drives? Dave Eckhardt Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Keywords: Cc: -- Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk From rminnich@lanl.gov Sat Jul 17 08:38:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 17 03:52:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54e5f358_d759_11d8_86e3_00304828b574_11462; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:52:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4C8344F37 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:52:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54b30920_d759_11d8_85cc_00304828b574_11459; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:52:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E355E7580FA; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:52:47 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992907580F9 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:52:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5471ce74_d759_11d8_8fa5_00304828b574_11455; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:52:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B6E344F37 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:52:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53c40cda_d759_11d8_99f8_00304828b574_11452; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:52:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD21719EB8 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:52:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F25B19E91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22269-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2B1419E82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6GIqJCp023816 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:52:19 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6GIqJVU011012 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:52:19 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6GIqJwO018098 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:52:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:52:18 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 write cache? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Eckhardt wrote: > Sam Hopkins (sah@softcardsystems.com) pointed out to me in > private mail this charming message: > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0304.1/0450.html > which is a post from a Maxtor employee to the effect that IDE > drives are allowed to arbitrarily re-order writes if the "write > cache" is turned on. if only the ide drives talked 9p ... only about 1/4 kidding. ron From bwc@coraid.com Sat Jul 17 08:38:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 17 04:25:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de27a306_d75d_11d8_97f5_00304828b574_5659; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:25:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC4B34556C for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:25:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ddc133f0_d75d_11d8_8178_00304828b574_5656; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:25:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E14117580FC; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:25:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0BA7580FB for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:25:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd5a36e6_d75d_11d8_9454_00304828b574_5653; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:25:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFD234556C for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:25:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc7bf3ea_d75d_11d8_8a22_00304828b574_5650; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:25:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4523D19EBE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:25:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6470A19E82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01928-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [209.179.94.82]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51EE619E07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55292ea7c5005e48065e38271b0adf15@coraid.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 write cache? 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+bwc=borf.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+bwc=borf.com@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Eckhardt wrote: > Sam Hopkins (sah@softcardsystems.com) pointed out to me in > private mail this charming message: > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0304.1/0450.html > which is a post from a Maxtor employee to the effect that IDE > drives are allowed to arbitrarily re-order writes if the "write > cache" is turned on. if only the ide drives talked 9p ... only about 1/4 kidding. ron --upas-fdqkwzyonhqzzgzhgskrjdquqv-- From knapjack@gmail.com Mon Jul 19 08:31:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 02:31:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e57fe94_d8e0_11d8_878b_00304828b574_1146; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:31:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E52934495F for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:31:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e249a36_d8e0_11d8_98e5_00304828b574_1140; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:31:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 03CC67580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:31:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D927580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:31:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d4846b2_d8e0_11d8_831e_00304828b574_1135; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:31:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B85E34495F for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:31:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5c76e806_d8e0_11d8_9167_00304828b574_1132; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:31:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F167B19DB7 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:31:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C00C19D1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02834-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B0DD419D07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d15so645835rng for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.51 with SMTP id e51mr639577rng; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:31:11 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've always appreciated Plan 9's native UTF-8 support, but while searching for reasons for the crappy multilingual support in Squeak I came across the following message. I'm just wondering how Plan 9 deals with this, or if it really matters? -Jack ------ UTF-8 is what is known as an output transformation. It is used to put whatever is in memory into some other form that is more readily digestible by other devices that expect 7-bit ASCII and its associated zero-null-byte convention. The UTF-8 format specifies ways of storing up to 4-byte characters without any nulls aligned on bytes. UTF-8 is also more compact for the European languages, but it is very lengthy for traditional Chinese, as all characters require 2 bytes and some characters inevitably require 3 bytes. The problem with UTF-8 is that it is non-indexable. If you have a string of characters, you can't make an assumption about where the nth character is. To find out, you have to do a linear search. That makes string indexing O(n) instead of O(1), which is unacceptable. If you were to sort a UTF-8 string for some reason, the bubble sort would actually have a lower order of magnitude than the quicksort. So UTF-8 is not a very good memory format for characters. NT uses UCS-2 (the 2-octet character set) in its native encoding, and UTF-8 for a lot of transfers to disk and the network. I'm not so sure that Be uses UTF-8 in memory. I think you'd actually find they use UCS-2. So I don't think it'd be good for someone to go through the hassle of implementing a UTF-8 set of string methods. I like the idea of bringing Unicode into Squeak. But there's a lot more involved than just adding 2-byte arrays. For example, you will want to store method string in UTF-8, because they aren't allowed to carry characters larger than 7 bits. But you'd have to make sure that they get transformed properly for other purposes. You will have to provide alternate input/output routines for files because you shouldn't store text files in UCS-2. There are many considerations and I recommend that you read the standard, and all, before going ahead and doing it. From robpike@gmail.com Mon Jul 19 08:31:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 03:27:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2fa77ae0_d8e8_11d8_9f16_00304828b574_16469; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:27:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E7D344E9A for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:27:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f738686_d8e8_11d8_8dc2_00304828b574_16466; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:27:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9B10B7580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:27:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527877580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:27:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f33744c_d8e8_11d8_9a23_00304828b574_16463; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:27:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6653C344E9A for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:27:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e88178c_d8e8_11d8_9d55_00304828b574_16460; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:27:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E8C019D55 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:27:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4A7C19B8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11290-02-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.248]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 533DC19B67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r65so569884cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.119.37 with SMTP id r37mr438434cwc; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904071811272fb08960@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:27:24 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu utf-8 is an exchange format and that's mostly how it's used. the few programs that do any analysis on utf-8 in memory do so usually as a side effect of whatever else is going on. for instance, they might call cleanname() or some other such file name-processing routine. his criticisms are on target but building utf-8 routines is not intellectually challenging, nor is it a big job. in short, it doesn't really matter. -rob From boyd@insultant.net Mon Jul 19 08:31:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 03:41:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1dda8b20_d8ea_11d8_9c6d_00304828b574_27322; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:41:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5833453EE for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1da869c4_d8ea_11d8_92d6_00304828b574_27319; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BD5B57580FB; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718797580FA for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d663b30_d8ea_11d8_96de_00304828b574_27316; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7463453EE for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:41:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1cb71826_d8ea_11d8_9d39_00304828b574_27312; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:41:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 107CB19DD1 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:41:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D025B19B08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19665-01-79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BEAB19AF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.236.146]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B556F37906 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:40:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c46cf6$814c4370$92ec7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:39:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > If you were to sort a UTF-8 string for some reason, the bubble > sort would actually have a lower order of magnitude than the > quicksort. that's not the real problem. it's implementing the collation sequences. the internal representation as 16 bit unsigneds is not a problem. From robpike@gmail.com Mon Jul 19 08:31:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 04:05:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7958ae52_d8ed_11d8_9b77_00304828b574_13627; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:05:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBC334544E for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:05:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79040c4e_d8ed_11d8_982e_00304828b574_13624; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:05:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 625857580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:05:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9DC7580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:05:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78b04424_d8ed_11d8_8e9c_00304828b574_13621; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:05:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A10534544E for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:05:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 77edbbf2_d8ed_11d8_85d7_00304828b574_13615; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:05:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C8C419DB7 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:05:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 329A519D8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25286-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D681F19D75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r65so570182cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.119.37 with SMTP id r37mr438750cwc; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f049040718120571c93b25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:05:12 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? In-Reply-To: <000701c46cf6$814c4370$92ec7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com> <000701c46cf6$814c4370$92ec7d50@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > that's not the real problem. it's implementing the collation > sequences. the internal representation as 16 bit unsigneds > is not a problem. actually it is, now that surrogates are well-established. -rob From boyd@insultant.net Mon Jul 19 08:31:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 04:08:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea782ca2_d8ed_11d8_8879_00304828b574_15849; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:08:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B392345471 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:08:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea36df36_d8ed_11d8_9563_00304828b574_15846; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:08:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7956A7580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:08:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AE47580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:08:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9f6dff8_d8ed_11d8_8083_00304828b574_15843; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:08:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22862345471 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:08:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e93cc00a_d8ed_11d8_8356_00304828b574_15840; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:08:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5633719DB6 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 626D819D95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11290-02-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3569019D75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.236.146]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AD763671C5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:08:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001b01c46cfa$546e38f0$92ec7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com><000701c46cf6$814c4370$92ec7d50@SOMA> <7359f049040718120571c93b25@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:06:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > actually it is, now that surrogates are well-established. surrogates? From boyd@insultant.net Mon Jul 19 08:31:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 04:36:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cdd2bd48_d8f1_11d8_9d4c_00304828b574_9653; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:36:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A13D344A22 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:36:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd9265ae_d8f1_11d8_8181_00304828b574_9650; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:36:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5D9E37580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:36:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082427580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:36:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd496dfe_d8f1_11d8_9332_00304828b574_9647; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:36:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061C4344A22 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:36:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cc90b2c8_d8f1_11d8_9657_00304828b574_9644; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:36:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3846719DDF for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:36:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F56E19D75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25264-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CE9E19A66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.236.146]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C184D67286 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:35:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002f01c46cfe$32fcfc70$92ec7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com><000701c46cf6$814c4370$92ec7d50@SOMA> <7359f049040718120571c93b25@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:34:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > actually it is, now that surrogates are well-established. ahh, i see. ick. From bwc@coraid.com Mon Jul 19 08:31:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 07:16:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17d16e38_d908_11d8_9024_00304828b574_12540; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:16:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63DA3446CC for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:16:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17a03dae_d908_11d8_9a69_00304828b574_12537; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:16:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 889967580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:16:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8C87580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:16:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 175f619e_d908_11d8_97d1_00304828b574_12534; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:16:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF503446CC for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:16:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 16b2b840_d908_11d8_8002_00304828b574_12530; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:16:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D27419E60 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:16:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E891219DDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05782-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [209.179.94.82]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12EC119D75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Brantley Coile Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:13:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] dns on outside network hangs X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu We have two machines, atlas and baron, on an outside network. They are our dns servers. Every few days they both stop answering dns requests and I have to reboot them. Any one using the dns to the outside? Any one seen this problem? Brantley From geoff@collyer.net Mon Jul 19 19:56:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 11:50:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6c0389fc_d92e_11d8_9e12_00304828b574_18201; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:50:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39E4345608 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:50:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6bd087c8_d92e_11d8_8cc3_00304828b574_18198; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:50:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A54CA7580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:50:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDE97580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:50:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6b9045be_d92e_11d8_9093_00304828b574_18195; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:50:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8CF345608 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:50:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ae3c8a2_d92e_11d8_81ce_00304828b574_18192; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:50:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 920EF19E76 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:50:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA36219A97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02060-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DD3019AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49cbe5ba38607046e6d8ab809ca285bc@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dns on outside network hangs From: Geoff Collyer Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:50:05 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've been running dns on outside networks for years and have not seen this. Are you getting complaints in /sys/log/dns? From geoff@collyer.net Mon Jul 19 19:56:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 11:52:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb984728_d92e_11d8_880c_00304828b574_19807; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41089345614 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb5daf64_d92e_11d8_9100_00304828b574_19804; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2DD7C7580FB; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:52:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59CB7580FA for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:52:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb21ec4a_d92e_11d8_8a21_00304828b574_19801; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:52:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F76345614 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:52:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba751c2c_d92e_11d8_9b4f_00304828b574_19795; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:52:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2790919E14 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:52:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0BD719AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08226-02-92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1920A19A97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f38aee5e8a640dcc92dcc9924c30c6d@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dns on outside network hangs From: Geoff Collyer Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:52:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Other things to check: are the dns processes in Broken state when the stop answering? Are your ndb binaries up to date? ; ls -l /bin/ndb --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 geoff sys 147261 Jul 7 20:32 /bin/ndb/cs --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 sys sys 59444 May 20 11:18 /bin/ndb/csquery --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 geoff sys 218031 Jul 7 20:32 /bin/ndb/dns --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 geoff sys 192630 Jul 7 20:32 /bin/ndb/dnsdebug --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 sys sys 61758 May 20 11:18 /bin/ndb/dnsquery --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 geoff sys 191267 Jul 7 20:32 /bin/ndb/dnstcp --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 geoff sys 93556 Jul 7 20:32 /bin/ndb/ipquery --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 sys sys 61950 May 20 11:18 /bin/ndb/mkdb --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 sys sys 81983 May 20 11:18 /bin/ndb/mkhash --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 sys sys 82972 May 20 11:18 /bin/ndb/mkhosts --rwxrwxr-x M 55411 sys sys 81067 May 20 11:18 /bin/ndb/query From jason@tommyk.com Mon Jul 19 19:56:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 13:48:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6270150_d93e_11d8_8419_00304828b574_23310; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:48:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7713A344305 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:48:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5b81092_d93e_11d8_94fe_00304828b574_23268; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:48:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3E76E7580F9; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:48:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F2C758101 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:48:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3804182_d93e_11d8_996c_00304828b574_23043; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:48:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262A03443A0 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:38:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 72c9e042_d93d_11d8_96fc_00304828b574_12881; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:38:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E5BC919E65 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:38:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9F9719CAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02400-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ophiopogon.tommyk.com (unknown [204.60.70.245]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4920A19B14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tommyk.com (miscanthus.jasongurtz.com [65.172.152.16]) by ophiopogon.tommyk.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6J4bYEw008971 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:37:34 -0400 Message-ID: <40FB5010.8020108@tommyk.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:37:36 -0400 From: Jason Gurtz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031110 Thunderbird/0.4a X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] New Install X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Well, I finally acquired a new (to me) T21 thinkpad and am proud to report that R4 installed just fine from the iso image pulled today. kfs was a no go (something like /bin/disk/kfscmd not found) but fossil worked out just fine. Now to get 1400x1050 going.... One thing the machine is lacking is any kind of wired ethernet. I see that IBM shipped other configurations of the T21 with either an Intel or 3COM mini-pci combo card. Is either of those supported? Any other mini-pci ethernet cards known to work? I've got a proxim 802.11a/b/g pc card in there now but I'm sure there's no hope for that just yet. Cheers, ~Jason -- From vdharani@infernopark.com Mon Jul 19 19:56:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 13:55:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3bc5752_d93f_11d8_97a4_00304828b574_31449; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2334420A for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d383327e_d93f_11d8_9c9d_00304828b574_31446; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A831B7580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D204758104 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9f2484e_d93f_11d8_8b8f_00304828b574_30541; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5816345003 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:44:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 475c8134_d93e_11d8_9f9a_00304828b574_18939; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:44:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B727019EB9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:44:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CCEC19B71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02400-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B651019B5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6J9qSam007466 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:52:28 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:52:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32877.67.85.61.176.1090230748.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <40FB5010.8020108@tommyk.com> References: <40FB5010.8020108@tommyk.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:52:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] New Install From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Well, I finally acquired a new (to me) T21 thinkpad and am proud to > report that R4 installed just fine from the iso image pulled today. > > kfs was a no go (something like /bin/disk/kfscmd not found) but fossil > worked out just fine. Now to get 1400x1050 going.... > > One thing the machine is lacking is any kind of wired ethernet. I see > that IBM shipped other configurations of the T21 with either an Intel o= r > 3COM mini-pci combo card. Is either of those supported? Any other > mini-pci ethernet cards known to work? i think the Intel one should be fine. i heard there are slight variations in Intel ones but mine (in T23) works fine. thanks dharani From jason@tommyk.com Mon Jul 19 19:56:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 13:55:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d7cd883e_d93f_11d8_8285_00304828b574_31496; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BE134420D for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d790811e_d93f_11d8_81ce_00304828b574_31483; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 78AB37580FD; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936AB758101 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1ef90a6_d93f_11d8_9685_00304828b574_31271; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8B6344335 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7fb6ac98_d93f_11d8_9f7c_00304828b574_28254; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:52:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1A5019CAF for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:52:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 155EB19CAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17132-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ophiopogon.tommyk.com (unknown [204.60.70.245]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 894CA19B71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tommyk.com (miscanthus.jasongurtz.com [65.172.152.16]) by ophiopogon.tommyk.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6J4qPEw009081 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: <40FB538B.7080806@tommyk.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:52:27 -0400 From: Jason Gurtz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031110 Thunderbird/0.4a X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] New Install References: <40FB5010.8020108@tommyk.com> <32877.67.85.61.176.1090230748.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <32877.67.85.61.176.1090230748.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On 7/19/2004 05:52, vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: >> One thing the machine is lacking is any kind of wired ethernet. I see >> that IBM shipped other configurations of the T21 with either an Intel or >> 3COM mini-pci combo card. Is either of those supported? Any other >> mini-pci ethernet cards known to work? > i think the Intel one should be fine. i heard there are slight variations > in Intel ones but mine (in T23) works fine. Cool, hopefully ebay will be kind :) Thank, ~Jason -- From vdharani@infernopark.com Mon Jul 19 19:56:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 14:11:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 234f30ee_d942_11d8_8cd3_00304828b574_11724; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:11:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01EF34500E for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23169612_d942_11d8_849b_00304828b574_11721; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 941217580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:11:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BF57580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22d36ce8_d942_11d8_80f1_00304828b574_11718; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542A734500E for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:11:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 222593a2_d942_11d8_81d7_00304828b574_11715; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:11:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF40319EAB for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:11:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B414719B48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08170-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 829F219B18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6JAK7am007718 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:20:07 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:20:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32901.67.85.61.176.1090232407.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <40FB538B.7080806@tommyk.com> References: <40FB5010.8020108@tommyk.com><32877.67.85.61.176.1090230748.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> <40FB538B.7080806@tommyk.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:20:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] New Install From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On 7/19/2004 05:52, vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: > >>> One thing the machine is lacking is any kind of wired ethernet. I se= e >>> that IBM shipped other configurations of the T21 with either an Intel >>> or >>> 3COM mini-pci combo card. Is either of those supported? Any other >>> mini-pci ethernet cards known to work? >> i think the Intel one should be fine. i heard there are slight >> variations >> in Intel ones but mine (in T23) works fine. > > Cool, hopefully ebay will be kind :) yes, thats where i thought i will try if mine didnt work. luckily i didnt have to do it. thanks dharani From ajft@ajft.org Mon Jul 19 19:56:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 15:53:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 477cf6d2_d950_11d8_809e_00304828b574_32369; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:53:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDF9344172 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:53:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4716b296_d950_11d8_8383_00304828b574_32353; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:53:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E58987580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:53:01 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6142F7580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:53:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46af7b9e_d950_11d8_8127_00304828b574_32270; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:53:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32097344172 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:53:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45da5ed2_d950_11d8_9ab1_00304828b574_32267; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:53:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 61E1B19F57 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:52:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0ABB19EAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06166-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ALPHA8.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha8.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C35719EB0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.88]) by vaxh.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-31 #39306) with ESMTP id <01LCNI20S8DK8WWG1K@vaxh.its.monash.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:45:14 +1000 Received: from moe.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96DCAB545 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:45:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from [130.194.3.169] (pc-949122.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.3.169]) (user ajft) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by moe.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF644FB09 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:45:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:44:47 +1000 From: Adrian Tritschler Subject: Re: [9fans] New Install In-reply-to: <40FB5010.8020108@tommyk.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-id: <40FB6DDF.7060301@ajft.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040715) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <40FB5010.8020108@tommyk.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ajft@ajft.org, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Jason Gurtz wrote: > Well, I finally acquired a new (to me) T21 thinkpad and am proud to > report that R4 installed just fine from the iso image pulled today. > > kfs was a no go (something like /bin/disk/kfscmd not found) but fossil > worked out just fine. Now to get 1400x1050 going.... I'm runnig a T21 and it will only work at 1024x768, even in Windows that's all it'll do. Its using kfs on a 10G partition > One thing the machine is lacking is any kind of wired ethernet. I see > that IBM shipped other configurations of the T21 with either an Intel or > 3COM mini-pci combo card. Is either of those supported? Any other > mini-pci ethernet cards known to work? AFAICT, the Intel card was the only one supported initially, which caused me some confusion when I tried to install on my T21 and couldn't get the network to work. Its all been working fine for months now. Updates from sources, etc. #l0: elnk3: 100Mbps port 0x1800 irq 11: 00010382E2C1 > I've got a proxim 802.11a/b/g pc card in there now but I'm sure there's > no hope for that just yet. SOrry, can't help you there, but if you need any config files from mine, just ask. plan9.ini contains: [common] bootfile=sdC0!fs!/396/9pcidks bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pcdisk.new bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fs *nomp=1 debug=1 apm0= distname=plan9 monitor=t23 vgasize=1024x768x8 mouseport=ps2 > Cheers, > > ~Jason ADrian From forsyth@terzarima.net Mon Jul 19 19:56:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 16:41:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 00a8e264_d957_11d8_9c43_00304828b574_10870; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:41:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3408334435D for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:41:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fff48c24_d956_11d8_8461_00304828b574_10823; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:41:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E662E758101; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:41:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05F0758108 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:40:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f92fe7ee_d956_11d8_83ae_00304828b574_10285; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:40:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33441344402 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:40:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7fe253a_d956_11d8_9743_00304828b574_10082; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:40:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB53119F51 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:40:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E92FE19B3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09027-01-87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CAD319F1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? 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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:34:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > actually it is, now that surrogates are well-established. ahh, i see. ick. --upas-ipxfpjreqjroxyqgpjobnnxgay-- From geoff@collyer.net Mon Jul 19 19:56:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 17:40:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4103c31c_d95f_11d8_880f_00304828b574_25868; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:40:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B6A345874 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:40:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 40b00312_d95f_11d8_97de_00304828b574_25861; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:40:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 852377580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:40:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E3C7580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:40:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 40067f4a_d95f_11d8_9851_00304828b574_25790; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:40:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC22345874 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:40:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3f1b556a_d95f_11d8_9585_00304828b574_25711; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:40:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7332019F3A for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:40:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0744919CAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25477-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F61B19ACE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? From: Geoff Collyer Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:39:29 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu A sitting standards committee is like a sitting legislature: unless they pass new standards (resp. laws), they have nothing to do. From DAGwyn@null.net Mon Jul 19 19:56:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 18:08:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33bedf94_d963_11d8_96de_00304828b574_20506; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:08:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F0C34478B for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:08:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3377a16a_d963_11d8_8d88_00304828b574_20501; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:08:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7309A7580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:08:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0607580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:08:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33376b4a_d963_11d8_86d2_00304828b574_20498; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:08:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD1A34478B for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:08:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32835c36_d963_11d8_9a5c_00304828b574_20493; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:08:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6170119F1A for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:08:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2B2919DF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23444-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79CC219C7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BmU42-00032x-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:04:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:00:31 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com>, <001b01c46cfa$546e38f0$92ec7d50@SOMA> Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu boyd, rounin wrote: > surrogates? Yeah, that is what happens when people settle on too small a code space. From rm@hamnavoe.com Mon Jul 19 19:56:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 18:19:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd8e4f96_d964_11d8_9cbd_00304828b574_29060; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:19:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A8E344B7B for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:19:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd331fd6_d964_11d8_922d_00304828b574_29057; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:19:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D90747580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:19:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9015B7580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:19:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ccf30838_d964_11d8_9277_00304828b574_29054; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:19:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E88344B7B for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:19:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cc47a254_d964_11d8_8d53_00304828b574_29051; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:19:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA4B719F3A for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:19:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F87719EA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23444-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33BA719E51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9a2235fb8380342a7217936d7cce37ca@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dns on outside network hangs From: Richard Miller Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:19:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > We have two machines, atlas and baron, on an outside > network. They are our dns servers. Every few days they > both stop answering dns requests and I have to reboot > them. Any one using the dns to the outside? Any one > seen this problem? I found a similar problem when I configured my dns server purely as a relay for my ISP's dns server. I came close to tracking down the cause, but the simple workaround was to add the root servers to /lib/ndb/local as a fallback. -- Richard From steve@quintile.net Mon Jul 19 19:56:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 19:31:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d22d8fe4_d96e_11d8_9837_00304828b574_26075; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:31:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0054D3447A1 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:31:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1fb199c_d96e_11d8_94a0_00304828b574_26072; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:31:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D84217580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:31:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBEB7580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:31:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1bc48b6_d96e_11d8_863b_00304828b574_26069; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:31:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A2C3447A1 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:31:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1119eac_d96e_11d8_9904_00304828b574_26066; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:31:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F264E19FDD for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:30:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FCCC19F6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09333-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D32C19F73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:29:56 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] zonefresh X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Has anyone written zonefresh that does a zone transfer (for ndb/dns -z)? I assume the labs version is just a script which just cp's the files from another server, but I'am afraid I don't live in such a pure plan9 world. -Steve From bwc@coraid.com Tue Jul 20 08:43:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 19 21:51:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 497bb856_d982_11d8_87e7_00304828b574_10929; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:51:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBAB34591A for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:51:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4945ec9e_d982_11d8_9169_00304828b574_10926; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:51:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6FDFE7580FA; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:51:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294CE7580F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:51:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4907cb12_d982_11d8_99e3_00304828b574_10920; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:51:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2870834591A for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:50:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 484fa500_d982_11d8_8ea6_00304828b574_10914; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:50:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BD6319E6E for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:50:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE51B19EDB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14337-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [209.179.94.82]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 184F819E6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3945872b84961bc5a490ab58be37f2e8@coraid.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dns on outside network hangs From: Brantley Coile Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:44:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9f38aee5e8a640dcc92dcc9924c30c6d@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Are your ndb binaries up to date? They weren't. I've recompiled everything now, so we'll see. Thanks. From 9nut@9netics.com Tue Jul 20 08:43:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 00:34:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 206c98ec_d999_11d8_8d3c_00304828b574_21425; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:34:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C10C34599D for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:34:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2036d860_d999_11d8_995d_00304828b574_21422; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:34:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 08FA17580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:34:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A357580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:34:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ffe2448_d999_11d8_83b5_00304828b574_21419; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:34:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C792234599D for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:34:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f51eb56_d999_11d8_8912_00304828b574_21416; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:34:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 024D019C94 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4549F19C65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15871-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE65E19C03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:34:06 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> surrogates? > > Yeah, that is what happens when people settle on > too small a code space. The Klingon Language Institute probably agrees. Far out man! http://www.kli.org/tlh/pIqaD.html From salomo3@cooper.edu Tue Jul 20 08:43:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 06:19:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 541b608a_d9c9_11d8_9a1c_00304828b574_29448; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:19:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B73344282 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:19:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53e7534e_d9c9_11d8_9514_00304828b574_29445; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:19:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 881117580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:19:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3827580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:19:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53a55fb6_d9c9_11d8_8fcc_00304828b574_29442; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:19:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C23A344282 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:19:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52f7c194_d9c9_11d8_81ee_00304828b574_29438; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:19:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39F0619F77 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:19:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A20A819B11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18869-01-87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BAE119AAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id 7ED1B393C; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id E12213937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 63.165.50.175 (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1485.63.165.50.175.1090270909.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> In-Reply-To: <7359f049040718120571c93b25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com><000701c46cf6$814c4370$92ec7d50@SOMA> <7359f049040718120571c93b25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? From: "Joel Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> that's not the real problem. it's implementing the collation >> sequences. the internal representation as 16 bit unsigneds >> is not a problem. > > actually it is, now that surrogates are well-established. > > -rob > Would moving to 32 bit signed (and only 0 -- 2^21 allowed, plus -1 for EOF) as in the more recent revisions of Unicode take care of the surrogates problem? --Joel p.s. >>> surrogates? >> >> Yeah, that is what happens when people settle on >> too small a code space. > > The Klingon Language Institute probably agrees. Far out man! > And I want native tengwar support... Go Geeks!! From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 06:25:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28b36978_d9ca_11d8_923d_00304828b574_1540; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5274C344A48 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 287d2c6e_d9ca_11d8_8e76_00304828b574_1537; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 045DF7580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81E97580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28127e50_d9ca_11d8_8b13_00304828b574_1534; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA25344A48 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2765f5c2_d9ca_11d8_9282_00304828b574_1531; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E41A119C39 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:25:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B9F419C1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26809-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BCF219A2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.142]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B0C637A8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:25:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007b01c46dd6$89a0c420$8efa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com><000701c46cf6$814c4370$92ec7d50@SOMA><7359f049040718120571c93b25@mail.gmail.com> <1485.63.165.50.175.1090270909.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:22:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Would moving to 32 bit signed (and only 0 -- 2^21 allowed, plus -1 for > EOF) as in the more recent revisions of Unicode take care of the > surrogates problem? this has nothing to do with EOF. From rog@vitanuova.com Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 06:29:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bcd3875a_d9ca_11d8_8444_00304828b574_4569; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:29:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4AF344ABE for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:29:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bc9cfdd4_d9ca_11d8_95a4_00304828b574_4566; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:29:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BCAA27580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:29:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746DA7580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:29:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bc643288_d9ca_11d8_8502_00304828b574_4563; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:29:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855AA344ABE for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:29:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bbb73772_d9ca_11d8_9e3b_00304828b574_4560; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:29:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE64019FB8 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:29:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4475B19C72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26809-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1EB3E19A2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6fd911a6d72575a69474c6f60f747907@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:35:25 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu you do have to be a bit careful with utf-8, as many possible byte sequences map down to the same rune (error), so if you do your comparisons too early, you run the risk of inconsistency. for instance, you can exploit this (at least, i *think* this is the cause) to create a file that can never be removed on ken's fileserver: #include #include void main(void) { char f[] = {0xc0, 0xb0, 0}; create(f, OWRITE, 0666) } don't try this at home... From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 06:43:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a5606582_d9cc_11d8_9dc5_00304828b574_15420; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:43:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A206344F09 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:43:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a529d508_d9cc_11d8_9b84_00304828b574_15417; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:43:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 663E97580FB; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:43:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9AF7580FA for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:43:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a4ee23dc_d9cc_11d8_8746_00304828b574_15414; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:43:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE6D344F09 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:43:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a441583c_d9cc_11d8_8160_00304828b574_15407; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:43:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA80A19FEB for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:43:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47F4119DDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26810-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B155E19D67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5c36eea1cfbe70272e1fe486281688dd@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:42:43 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <1485.63.165.50.175.1090270909.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > And I want native tengwar support... Go Geeks!! sure thing. at plan9.ucalgary.ca % font=tengwar.20.font rio gives you: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/tengwar.gif (acme mail displaying your message second from top :) From salomo3@cooper.edu Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 06:53:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 175f1600_d9ce_11d8_8122_00304828b574_23913; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:53:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B91344A72 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:53:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 172b08a6_d9ce_11d8_86b6_00304828b574_23910; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:53:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2404B7580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:53:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB2A7580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:53:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 16d54fb0_d9ce_11d8_8fbf_00304828b574_23907; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:53:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57DD344A72 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:53:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1623e126_d9ce_11d8_9222_00304828b574_23904; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:53:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B19319F57 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:53:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F48F19DDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26809-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0432019DDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id 7B57F393D; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id E0A89393C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 63.165.50.175 (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1556.63.165.50.175.1090272954.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> In-Reply-To: <007b01c46dd6$89a0c420$8efa7d50@SOMA> References: <6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com><000701c46cf6$814c4370$92ec7d50@SOMA><7359f049040718120571c93b25@mail.gmail.com><1485.63.165.50.175.1090270909.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> <007b01c46dd6$89a0c420$8efa7d50@SOMA> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? From: "Joel Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Would moving to 32 bit signed (and only 0 -- 2^21 allowed, plus -1 for >> EOF) as in the more recent revisions of Unicode take care of the >> surrogates problem? > > this has nothing to do with EOF. Sorry if I was unclear - let me try again. Would moving to 32 bit signed (and only 0 -- 2^21 allowed), thus including all surrogates in the directly accessible character set solve the problem? Yes, this does open a new can of worms, but how much more difficult would it be to move from 16 bit Runes to 21/32 bit wide Runes then it was to move from 7 bit ASCII to Unicode in the first place? As an aside, the way I've understood the Unicode standard (4.0), 21 bit characters can be encoded in 1, 2, 3, or 4 bytes in UTF-8 and if text is internally represented by int32, some out-of-band information (like EOF, or bad UTF (but preserving the original bytes)) can be carried along. --Joel From salomo3@cooper.edu Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 07:00:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d5ea614_d9cf_11d8_8dcd_00304828b574_29271; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:00:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A28345464 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d2aaf8a_d9cf_11d8_97ee_00304828b574_29268; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AF9257580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:00:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A2A7580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ce9b32c_d9cf_11d8_9826_00304828b574_29265; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716C7345464 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:00:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c3bfaf2_d9cf_11d8_91ea_00304828b574_29258; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:00:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E447D19EB9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:00:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8603619B52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18516-01-100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15EDD19A20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id 716B0393D; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id D94D73937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 63.165.50.175 (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1564.63.165.50.175.1090273394.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> In-Reply-To: <5c36eea1cfbe70272e1fe486281688dd@plan9.ucalgary.ca> References: <1485.63.165.50.175.1090270909.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> <5c36eea1cfbe70272e1fe486281688dd@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tengwar Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? From: "Joel Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> And I want native tengwar support... Go Geeks!! > > sure thing. at plan9.ucalgary.ca > % font=3Dtengwar.20.font rio > gives you: > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/tengwar.gif > (acme mail displaying your message second from top :) > Thanks. Still, it'd be nice to have the code spaces (tentatively) allocated for tengwar available - and they're not in the first 65535 characters in Unicode (old unicode, now the BMP). Of course, there's more to Unicode than the character set, but most of that is in the text processing domain (troff, TeX). --Joel From newsham@lava.net Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 07:10:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 801f6e0e_d9d0_11d8_852e_00304828b574_4697; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:10:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025B434549F for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:10:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7fec8282_d9d0_11d8_8f49_00304828b574_4694; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:10:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D5FC67580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:10:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857697580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:10:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7f9f9404_d9d0_11d8_8885_00304828b574_4691; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:10:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F97434549F for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:10:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7ef4a738_d9d0_11d8_9be4_00304828b574_4688; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:10:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9CC519EEF for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:10:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 142D919D3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01352-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F65D19D44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F40171A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:10:07 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:10:07 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] newbie question #2 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu (how many newbie questions do I get? I hope that doesn't count as one). I setup a server that serves bootp/tftp/auth/fs/cpu. I then setup a diskless client. Most things seem to be in working order now. I notice though that if I "cpu" in to the cpu server from a terminal as myself, I can acme fine, but if I "cpu" in as "bootes" (the fs owner), I have no /dev/draw and I can't run acme (or other gui apps). Why is that? Shouldn't my /dev/draw from my terminal be preserved in the namespace of the new shell on the server? Am I doing something wrong? If not, is there a workaround? (yes, I am aware of "ed", and am comfortable using it when I have to. I am more interested in knowing what is going on here than in getting acme running). Tim N. From salomo3@cooper.edu Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 07:13:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb6c1c16_d9d0_11d8_9cc5_00304828b574_7049; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:13:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D5F3454E3 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:13:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb388022_d9d0_11d8_9786_00304828b574_7046; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:13:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EC9307580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:13:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F857580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:13:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eaf77f8c_d9d0_11d8_83fa_00304828b574_7042; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:13:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D363454E3 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:13:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea245c10_d9d0_11d8_8859_00304828b574_7039; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:13:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EE4719D5C for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:13:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5A8D19CB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03083-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5002319A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id AD650393C; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A7F03937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 63.165.50.175 (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1583.63.165.50.175.1090274172.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> In-Reply-To: <1556.63.165.50.175.1090272954.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> References: DEFANGED[36]:<6e35c06204071810312daa31a9@mail.gmail.com><000701c46cf6$814c4370$92ec7d50@SOMA><7359f049040718120571c93b25@mail.gmail.com><1485.63.165.50.175.1090270909.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu><007b01c46dd6$89a " " 0c420$8efa7d50@SOMA> <1556.63.165.50.175.1090272954.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? From: "Joel Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joel Salomon said: > As an aside, the way I've understood the Unicode standard (4.0), 21 bit > characters can be encoded in 1, 2, 3, or 4 bytes in UTF-8 and if text i= s > internally represented by int32, some out-of-band information (like EOF= , > or bad UTF (but preserving the original bytes)) can be carried along. > And here's where the out-of-band encoding might come in useful: rog@vitanuova.com said: > you do have to be a bit careful with utf-8, as many possible byte > sequences map down to the same rune (error), so if you > do your comparisons too early, you run the risk of inconsistency. > > for instance, you can exploit this (at least, i *think* this is the > cause) to create a file that can never be removed on ken's fileserver: but if "error" becomes 0x80000000 & XX, where XX is the original (bad, or out-of-place) byte, we never lose the ability to retrieve/delete the file= . This would be an extension to Unicode, possibly a dangerous one, but mayb= e worth considering. --Joel From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 07:22:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 19a081e8_d9d2_11d8_8b26_00304828b574_14769; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E139345A3F for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 196fb36a_d9d2_11d8_87c0_00304828b574_14766; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E64EE7580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:22:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA877580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:22:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 19321f1e_d9d2_11d8_8c60_00304828b574_14763; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:22:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2199345A40 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:22:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 188517f6_d9d2_11d8_9e21_00304828b574_14755; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:22:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1165919F45 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:22:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E76319D5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06256-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88D1019DF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] newbie question #2 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:21:56 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > (how many newbie questions do I get? I hope that doesn't count as one). > > I setup a server that serves bootp/tftp/auth/fs/cpu. I then > setup a diskless client. Most things seem to be in working > order now. I notice though that if I "cpu" in to the cpu > server from a terminal as myself, I can acme fine, but if > I "cpu" in as "bootes" (the fs owner), I have no /dev/draw > and I can't run acme (or other gui apps). Why is that? > Shouldn't my /dev/draw from my terminal be preserved in > the namespace of the new shell on the server? Am I doing > something wrong? If not, is there a workaround? > most likely you haven't created a profile for bootes in /usr/bootes/lib/profile.. when you cpu as yourself your profile detects that and binds /mnt/term/dev over /dev so you end up using the draw device of your terminal. do a 'bind -a /mnt/term/dev /dev' after you've cpu-ed as bootes and the message will disappear. note, however, that you still won't be able to use any graphics for the simple reason that bootes isn't allowed to write to /dev/draw :) andrey From jonfeero_13@hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 07:40:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae07df28_d9d4_11d8_8be0_00304828b574_1442; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:40:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5747E34462B for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:40:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ad703b8c_d9d4_11d8_8fc4_00304828b574_1417; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:40:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6363F758104; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:40:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C30758100 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:40:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac0d3f24_d9d4_11d8_8455_00304828b574_1403; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:40:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827BD34462B for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:34:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d049d7a4_d9d3_11d8_8ce6_00304828b574_27057; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:34:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A17319FAA for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:34:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27C4419DDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00659-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f3.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79EE619D5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:34:11 -0700 Received: from 81.156.120.231 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:34:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [81.156.120.231] X-Originating-Email: [jonfeero_13@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jonfeero_13@hotmail.com From: "Jon F" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:34:11 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2004 22:34:11.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[83734CD0:01C46DE0] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] New-install X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu

New Install, can't figure out this one:

I'm at the Mountdist part, Appears on screen "/dev/sdD0/cdboot ( Microsoft Fat )" etc

tried moounting both, iso9660 cdrom and ms fat, but first tried iso9660 than appeared on screen Which DIR contains Distribution?

- Root, - DIR containing plan9.iso, - DIR containing plan9.iso.bz2 typing browse will.....

what are the commands for the DIR im trying to reach? i'm trying to install fossil, with the ISO i got that i extracted-burned to a CD, all files are on the ROOT of the CD and it still says it can not find them.

some help would be great!

 


Open your e-mail without having to worry about viruses with MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 20 08:43:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 07:42:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f83f9310_d9d4_11d8_8bab_00304828b574_3234; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:42:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835233446ED for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:42:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f80d40ae_d9d4_11d8_8f69_00304828b574_3231; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:42:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 656807580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:42:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4BB7580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:42:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f7cba0ea_d9d4_11d8_940a_00304828b574_3228; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:42:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAB93446ED for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:42:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f71ed9b4_d9d4_11d8_93fb_00304828b574_3225; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:42:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B218919F9D for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:42:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03C0B19DF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00659-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A58A119DF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1182cb1853922732c5aa62e7f2e5a9bd@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] New-install Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:42:20 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > New Install, can't figure out this one: > > I'm at the Mountdist part, Appears on screen"/dev/sdD0/cdboot ( > Microsoft Fat)" etc > you need to be at the root, so /dev/sdD0 would probably be it. typing 'browse' and then 'exit' should do it.. see section 12 of: http://cm.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html From rog@vitanuova.com Tue Jul 20 08:43:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 08:00:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 69a92956_d9d7_11d8_9522_00304828b574_17283; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:00:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA103454C2 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:00:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 697304b6_d9d7_11d8_8802_00304828b574_17280; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:00:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AB5207580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:00:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A037580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:00:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6938e6a0_d9d7_11d8_87ed_00304828b574_17277; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:00:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE373454C2 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:00:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68353362_d9d7_11d8_888c_00304828b574_17274; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:00:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B375519FA3 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:00:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C85819E8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28904-02-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C691B19E69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46f579d1d980f33243f093c6b81261a5@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] newbie question #2 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:05:55 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > do a 'bind -a /mnt/term/dev /dev' after you've cpu-ed as bootes and > the message will disappear. note, however, that you still won't be > able to use any graphics for the simple reason that bootes isn't > allowed to write to /dev/draw :) actually, i'm fairly sure you should be able to do this, as the terminal has no idea of the identity of the person at the cpu end of the connection - it just sees the id that exportfs is running as. for example, try: echo foo > /mnt/term/tmp/bar and you should find that the new file is owned by the terminal owner, not by the id you've cpu'd as. to get that kind of behaviour you'd have to reattach; that's the point of $home/lib/namespace. cheers, rog. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 20 08:43:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 20 08:09:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3ee06e4_d9d8_11d8_87af_00304828b574_23955; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:09:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC42C3454F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:09:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a37da2a0_d9d8_11d8_8d34_00304828b574_23918; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:09:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 71FB77580FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:09:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF5B7580F9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:09:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a30558d6_d9d8_11d8_9dd8_00304828b574_23881; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:09:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0683454FB for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:09:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a20ffe22_d9d8_11d8_8d01_00304828b574_23771; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:09:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB91519FB3 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:09:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D45D19B8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00673-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A7F519AC8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ec6206f3d1016e96d8baea66198d976@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] newbie question #2 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:08:44 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <46f579d1d980f33243f093c6b81261a5@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > actually, i'm fairly sure you should be able to do this, as the > terminal has no idea of the identity of the person at the cpu end of > the connection - it just sees the id that exportfs is running as. of course you're right -- i tried it with acme and assumed it'll never work when it didn't the first time (not sure why, maybe because i'm drawtermed?). it works with other graphics programs though. 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Gwyn" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7359f049040718120571c93b25@mail.gmail.com>, <1485.63.165.50.175.1090270909.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] UTF-8 criticism? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Joel Salomon wrote: > Would moving to 32 bit signed (and only 0 -- 2^21 allowed, plus -1 for > EOF) as in the more recent revisions of Unicode take care of the > surrogates problem? Sure. Actually it's not "more recent", as that's the original ISO-10646 code points, predating Unicode. From newsham@lava.net Thu Jul 22 09:07:30 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 21 10:22:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e77837e_dab4_11d8_995a_00304828b574_670; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:22:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CEF34568C for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:22:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5defad64_dab4_11d8_8ba9_00304828b574_622; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:22:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 064C27580FA; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:22:01 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6377580F9 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:22:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d810558_dab4_11d8_8159_00304828b574_538; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:22:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1D834568A for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:21:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5cc9d84c_dab4_11d8_99ee_00304828b574_520; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:21:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97E6819DAF for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:21:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5210F19D18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22985-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C190219B69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9C5133E5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:21:21 -1000 (HST) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:21:21 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3ec6206f3d1016e96d8baea66198d976@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: References: <3ec6206f3d1016e96d8baea66198d976@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] gmake in ape X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Someone expressed a desire to have gmake in plan9, so here it is: http://lava.net/~newsham/x/gmake-p9.tgz The only changes required (besides configuring it and getting the shell script working) were: - not using bitfields for configuration data structures. The compiler doesnt allow static assignment of bitfields. - making the code ignore getloadavg. Someone could write a getloadavg function, but I didnt. Tim N. From ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz Thu Jul 22 09:07:30 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 21 13:55:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4237ca16_dad2_11d8_8a73_00304828b574_26307; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450BA344C3F for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42014428_dad2_11d8_9a00_00304828b574_26304; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 29FC77580FA; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:55:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DCF7580F9 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:55:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41c1e170_dad2_11d8_91ac_00304828b574_26301; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:55:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AD0344C3F for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:55:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41144b28_dad2_11d8_8583_00304828b574_26298; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:55:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E271619EA7 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:55:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 414D519D18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11647-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kaukau.mcs.vuw.ac.nz (kaukau.mcs.vuw.ac.nz [130.195.5.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3A7919B97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from square-affair.mcs.vuw.ac.nz (square-affair.mcs.vuw.ac.nz [130.195.5.170]) by kaukau.mcs.vuw.ac.nz (8.12.11/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6L4tRwU013973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:55:27 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by square-affair.mcs.vuw.ac.nz (8.12.11/8.12.9) id i6L4tOC8012264 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:55:24 +1200 (NZST) From: Nick Jamieson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 laptop Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:55:24 +1200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200407091425.15192.ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz> <32791.67.85.61.176.1089361540.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <32791.67.85.61.176.1089361540.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407211655.24701.ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.4 (kaukau.mcs.vuw.ac.nz [130.195.5.20]); Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:55:27 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > a new laptop of your choice + vmware is also not a bad idea. Hi. Thank you for this idea. It creates a few more questions though ;) A shop nearby is selling laptops that have been "tested with Linux". These laptops have Transmeta processors and have no cooling fans. Will plan9 run on these unusual processors natively and/or under vmware? The Linux modem driver is binary only with an open source stub. Is it possible to rewrite the stub so the driver will work under plan9? Many thanks, Nick From vdharani@infernopark.com Thu Jul 22 09:07:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 22 00:51:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d93f0ebe_db2d_11d8_8d2c_00304828b574_8817; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:51:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D451C3451B0 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:51:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d908aa40_db2d_11d8_804c_00304828b574_8814; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:51:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C63CD7580FA; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:51:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691907580F9 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:51:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d8c59142_db2d_11d8_92f9_00304828b574_8811; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:51:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0203451B0 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:51:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d7e52b20_db2d_11d8_9084_00304828b574_8807; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:51:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C5F3D1A026 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:51:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A55119B83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03554-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E66401999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6LKxtam026103 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:59:55 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:59:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37050.192.11.226.116.1090443595.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <200407211655.24701.ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz> References: <200407091425.15192.ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz><32791.67.85.61.176.1089361540.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> <200407211655.24701.ncj@mcs.vuw.ac.nz> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:59:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 laptop From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> a new laptop of your choice + vmware is also not a bad idea. > > Hi. > > Thank you for this idea. It creates a few more questions though ;) > > A shop nearby is selling laptops that have been "tested with Linux". Th= ese > laptops have Transmeta processors and have no cooling fans. Will plan9 = run > on > these unusual processors natively and/or under vmware? in general, the easy way is to assume any x86 (or clone) box will run pla= n 9 and try to boot. The bootable CD is a good option. Also, you could attempt to install plan 9 (but need not actually install it) and see if you come all the way upto graphics mode. If so, chances are high. if a box is known to run winxx, linux, and any other popular OS without any platform-specific code, one could safely assume it will work. i would expect plan 9 to run on transmeta processors. the problems could arise not with the processor but with the devices and controllers. if you intend to use it as just a CPU server, chances are high. in your case, i dont think thats the case. under vmware, it shouldnt be a problem. > driver > is binary only with an open source stub. Is it possible to rewrite the > stub > so the driver will work under plan9? no. it is like trying to put a honda engine in a toyota car. porting linu= x driver in source form onto plan 9 itself it a difficult task. this is what i think: stick to ibm t21 or t23 thinkpads. probably t40. else laptop + vmware. Regards dharani From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jul 22 09:07:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 22 01:18:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9928134e_db31_11d8_8309_00304828b574_31734; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:18:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B78F34588B for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:18:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98edd0c6_db31_11d8_909a_00304828b574_31729; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:18:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3650C7580FA; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:18:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBA57580F9 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:18:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98b19502_db31_11d8_91b1_00304828b574_31725; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:18:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C8534588B for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:18:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 97f3aeb6_db31_11d8_9121_00304828b574_31722; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:18:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08D5919FA2 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:18:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2C8F19D84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21042-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D5E719D61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 laptop Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:17:58 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <37050.192.11.226.116.1090443595.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > this is what i think: stick to ibm t21 or t23 thinkpads. probably t40. > else laptop + vmware. T30 too (well, all radeon Txx laptops really) From lucio@proxima.alt.za Sat Jul 24 21:54:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 22 14:24:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a3223c2_db9f_11d8_9c39_00304828b574_28225; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:24:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A34344C02 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:24:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68ff57a4_db9f_11d8_93b4_00304828b574_28208; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:24:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0CF917580F9; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:24:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13226758101 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:24:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 66f07574_db9f_11d8_960e_00304828b574_28173; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:24:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DCC3445AF for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:24:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 643d6f94_db9f_11d8_8476_00304828b574_28127; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:24:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E443819F20 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:24:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A43D419D3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24194-02-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tackle.hq.iba.co.za (sparkle.iba.co.za [196.30.44.140]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 790B619E6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Lucio De Re Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail X-Disclaimer: Everything expressed is an opinion Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:35:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] latest install floppy X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lucio De Re , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have a feeling the latest Plan 9 install floppy is broken. I have attempted to use it for a fresh installation and with two different disk drives it reported (a) that it found no MBR and (b) an I/O error (error 68, in sector 0.446 or some such) when attempting to write the MBR. These were mid-capacity (4Gig and 8Gig, approximately) IDE drives previously installed with Windows 98 (I know that's not English, really, but I think it says what I want it to). I suspect 9pcflop, as my somewhat older 9pcdisk has no such difficulties. If anyone has installed off the floppy recently, please let me know so I'll look for a different source for my woes. ++L From paurea@lsub.org Sat Jul 24 21:54:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 22 17:09:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 868d7550_dbb6_11d8_8a89_00304828b574_11310; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:09:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E6C3455D9 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:09:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 865c04ac_dbb6_11d8_8d7f_00304828b574_11307; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:09:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 186557580FA; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:09:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C062E7580F9 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:09:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 861a8586_dbb6_11d8_85f8_00304828b574_11303; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:09:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC21B3455D9 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:09:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 856b70be_dbb6_11d8_9187_00304828b574_11297; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:09:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C3D2219F72 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 04:09:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA89A19EDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 04:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02641-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 04:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sailu.dat.escet.urjc.es (gsyc031.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 613F219B20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 04:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <98eba27c67917eb14a8d23b7378b3f0b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:09:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C3 hex) in message header 'From' From: Gorka Guardiola M\303\272zquiz List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have been playing a little bit with links and got it working for us with varfont. The problems seems to be with (old code is commented). /sys/src/cmd/links/dip.c:1960 struct style *g_invert_style(struct style *old) { int length; struct style *st; st = mem_alloc(sizeof(struct style)); st->refcount=1; st->r0=old->r1; st->g0=old->g1; st->b0=old->b1; st->r1=old->r0; st->g1=old->g0; st->b1=old->b0; st->height=old->height; st->flags=old->flags; if (st->flags) { /* We have to get a foreground color for underlining */ st->underline_color=dip_get_color_sRGB( (st->r1<<16)|(st->g1<<8)|(st->b1)); } //length=sizeof(*(st->table))*(n_fonts-1); st->table=NULL; //mem_alloc(length); //mem_cpy(st->table,old->table,length); st->mono_space=old->mono_space; st->mono_height=old->mono_height; return st; } Trying to copy a table of fonts which is not reserved nor used anywhere else as far as I have seen. I put it to NULL and everything seems to work for me. Probably the table field isn't used at all and should disappear, but as I am not really sure... Links with varfont works for us now. G. From matt@proweb.co.uk Sat Jul 24 21:54:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 22 18:36:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8c0d5d72_dbc2_11d8_85c1_00304828b574_21857; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:36:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1913444C7 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:36:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8ba18a2a_dbc2_11d8_8d8c_00304828b574_21815; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:36:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DE7767580FA; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:36:01 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080F0758102 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:36:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a71b1c0_dbc2_11d8_9ece_00304828b574_21672; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:36:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7ED3444C7 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:35:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7cbeaf56_dbc2_11d8_826e_00304828b574_21489; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:35:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9DBC19FF1 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:35:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 424D719EEB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19760-02-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc3-nott7-3-0-cust54.nott.cable.ntl.com [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7288619EE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d354faaf98f7bf57f20c6e61b0ee3b1@juice.thebigchoice.com> From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:37:54 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Good Lucent Figures X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu If anyone cares any more : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/22/lucent_q3_04/ Lucent Technologies has posted an increase in revenues and raised its sales outlook for the year on the back of strong demand for its wireless services. The US-based telecoms equipment manufacturer recorded an 11.4 per cent rise in revenues in fiscal Q3 2004, to $2.19bn, (Q3 2003: $1.96bn). This figure was a little below analysts' expectations of $2.2bn revenues. Net income was $387m (Q3 2003 -$254m) Earnings per share also rose substantially, to $0.08 per share (Q3 2003 -$.07). want it wrapped at 80 cols ? hello 21st centry ! :) m From lsdc1@york.ac.uk Sat Jul 24 21:54:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 22 22:38:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 719f1b16_dbe4_11d8_8867_00304828b574_5610; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:38:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD77A344D55 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:38:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 71530424_dbe4_11d8_8970_00304828b574_5607; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:38:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AEA1D7580FA; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:38:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645B57580F9 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:38:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 711b46a6_dbe4_11d8_9a2d_00304828b574_5604; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:38:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA9E344D55 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:38:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7054d3ae_dbe4_11d8_8743_00304828b574_5601; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:38:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DB5F19FC5 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:38:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 86D94199CC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16403-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE46019A93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1Bndd8-0000tr-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:29:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:27:58 GMT From: Leo Caves Message-ID: <237cdbb8.0407220522.6efcdf6d@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] myrinet and plan9 (again) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this topic has come up a couple of times - with some mention of an effort towards a driver. Source is available for the FreeBSD driver - which I understand is a reasonable basis for a plan9 port. I just wanted to see if a plan9 myrinet driver was on anyone's active, or to-do list. PS: I have 16 of the older myrinet 1280 (64bit) cards and the appropriate switch. PPS: no, I don't think I am personally able to make a stab at this in any reasonable timescale! From vic@plan9.bell-labs.com Sat Jul 24 21:54:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 22 23:38:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4070dde_dbec_11d8_8e24_00304828b574_25937; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:38:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245C6344877 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:38:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3d0fbea_dbec_11d8_95f9_00304828b574_25933; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:38:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0EDF37580FA; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:38:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA33F7580F9 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:38:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c395fad6_dbec_11d8_81d6_00304828b574_25930; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:38:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6FE344877 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:38:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c2d17a58_dbec_11d8_8f7f_00304828b574_25821; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:38:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C0511A00F for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:37:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B068119EEB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01867-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8785C19EEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] latest install floppy From: vic zandy Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:37:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I suspect 9pcflop, as my somewhat older 9pcdisk has no such > difficulties. If anyone has installed off the floppy recently, please > let me know so I'll look for a different source for my woes. i just installed from the current floppy image to a vmware ide disk. no problems. From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jul 24 21:54:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 23 01:44:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5a973ab0_dbfe_11d8_8960_00304828b574_2448; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:44:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969D13457B1 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:44:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 59f703b0_dbfe_11d8_9c78_00304828b574_2411; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:44:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3C7427580FB; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:44:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4AB7580FA for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:44:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 597ac8fe_dbfe_11d8_8d5e_00304828b574_2374; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:44:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696C93457B1 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:44:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 589045fe_dbfe_11d8_83e6_00304828b574_2260; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:44:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32B4619FF1 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:43:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F4DF19AF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26865-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C222199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.225]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 971893793F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:43:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006201c4700a$b507d5f0$e1fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] latest install floppy Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:41:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i just installed from the current floppy image to a vmware ide disk. > no problems. i've got one. it works fine. 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I have a = completley 'EMPTY' partition i want to use. I also have another question, how can i fix my GfX during the GUI = install of 9, i have tried 800x600x16 - The GUI is a bit rough, and some = of the text is distorted, 1024 isan't any better but halft of typed/ = Displayed text is still distorted and missing letters. Trying on a DELL = Latitude laptop with ATI Rage 8MB M1.Any Help? Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C47795.AF5014F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I'm in the Partdisk option in the = Install Process=20 of 9, but can't figure out how to choose a different partition, what is = the=20 command? I have a completley 'EMPTY' partition i want to = use.
 I also have another question, how = can i fix=20 my GfX during the GUI install of 9, i have tried 800x600x16 - The GUI is = a bit=20 rough, and some of the text is distorted, 1024 isan't any better but = halft of=20 typed/ Displayed text is still distorted and missing letters. Trying on = a DELL=20 Latitude laptop with ATI Rage 8MB M1.Any Help?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C47795.AF5014F0-- From vdharani@infernopark.com Sat Jul 24 21:54:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 23 03:44:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 243dbca8_dc0f_11d8_8778_00304828b574_10850; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:44:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7466134495A for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:44:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 240aac78_dc0f_11d8_9122_00304828b574_10846; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:44:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 560277580FA; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:44:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0991D7580F9 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:44:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23c7f3ce_dc0f_11d8_85b3_00304828b574_10843; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:44:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E96034495A for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:44:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 231e90a4_dc0f_11d8_96f5_00304828b574_10840; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:44:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B604B19FFA for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:44:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7ECCE19D2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21439-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7E0819C0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6MNqoam002013; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:52:50 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:52:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <57640.192.11.226.116.1090540370.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:52:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] New Install From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I also have another question, how can i fix my GfX during the GUI inst= all > of 9, i have tried 800x600x16 - The GUI is a bit rough, and some of the > text is distorted, 1024 isan't any better but halft of typed/ Displayed > text is still distorted and missing letters. Trying on a DELL Latitude > laptop with ATI Rage 8MB M1.Any Help? i think i have noticed this problem in some Dell models. basically it is to do with graphics. i think you wont be able to run plan 9 on it. thanks dharani From alcortes@coitt.es Sat Jul 24 21:54:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 23 06:59:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 729555d0_dc2a_11d8_920e_00304828b574_13708; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:59:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BF73452B5 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:59:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 72632cd6_dc2a_11d8_8a52_00304828b574_13705; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:59:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 307ED7580FA; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:59:47 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD22C7580F9 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:59:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 72214a5a_dc2a_11d8_9d6f_00304828b574_13702; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:59:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DAA3452B5 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:59:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7171f488_dc2a_11d8_954e_00304828b574_13699; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:59:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D45019F73 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:59:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DFD919DCA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26235-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from telesmtp3.mail.isp (pop3.telefonica.net [213.4.129.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D33619D4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es ([80.26.72.139]) by telesmtp3.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id I19X2S00.M60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:59:16 +0200 Received: from alcortes by 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bnlau-0000bA-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:59:16 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:59:16 +0200 From: Alberto Cortes To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20040722215916.GA2274@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] errata on acme.ps ? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't know where to send this... On /sys/doc/acme/acme.ps, page 10, 6 line: ... Acme's editing guide, /acme/edit/guide, looks like this: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ But there is no "/acme/edit/guide" file on my system. =BFerrata? =BFmissing file? =20 --=20 http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From robpike@gmail.com Sat Jul 24 21:54:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 23 08:01:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17539f98_dc33_11d8_98bd_00304828b574_2647; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:01:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D012344CD4 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:01:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 170fb116_dc33_11d8_9579_00304828b574_2644; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:01:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6F03E7580FB; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:01:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280A27580FA for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:01:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 16cfffbc_dc33_11d8_9cd7_00304828b574_2641; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:01:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A74344CD4 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:01:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 160e0858_dc33_11d8_9b75_00304828b574_2638; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:01:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0BB919F62 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:01:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1749219D13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10175-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D28E919C76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m69so62612rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.82.2 with SMTP id f2mr392296rnb; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f049040722160057c99885@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:00:52 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] errata on acme.ps ? In-Reply-To: <20040722215916.GA2274@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040722215916.GA2274@shire> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu historical dreg. that subsystem was removed years ago when acme acquired sam's command language, available through the Edit command. -rob From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Sat Jul 24 21:54:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 23 18:48:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a68db8e_dc8d_11d8_8214_00304828b574_19011; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:48:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C754344CD3 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:48:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a3736e2_dc8d_11d8_9653_00304828b574_19008; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:48:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7EBCC7580FC; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:48:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA437580FA for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:48:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79dc3ad0_dc8d_11d8_8516_00304828b574_19005; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:48:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F127344CD3 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:48:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79326dc0_dc8d_11d8_8527_00304828b574_19002; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:48:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BA9A1A02B for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:47:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A5E419A95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26846-03-84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DAA8319A93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3526d4bc8156573db1beea212500628d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] links bug From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:47:05 +0900 In-Reply-To: <98eba27c67917eb14a8d23b7378b3f0b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I have been playing a little bit with links and got it working for us with > varfont. The problems seems to be with (old code is commented). Since Andrey said varfont version of links has some problem, I wondered what is the problem.... I'm running here the varfont version, and I'm having no problem (at least looks like so to me). What is the real problem here... Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Sat Jul 24 21:54:51 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 23 19:10:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81ff2670_dc90_11d8_8c14_00304828b574_4363; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D36345625 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81cd5d7a_dc90_11d8_98b0_00304828b574_4360; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B41357580FE; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0B37580FC for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 818dec30_dc90_11d8_8e19_00304828b574_4357; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848CF345625 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80e6aeb6_dc90_11d8_9c10_00304828b574_4354; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CD3F19F9F for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:10:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7296219B92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24597-02-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEDF319A95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38c33a4d9fc03c12c40cb26a4eaeae9d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] links bug From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:11:25 +0900 In-Reply-To: <3526d4bc8156573db1beea212500628d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > what is the problem.... I'm running here the varfont version, and I'm having > no problem (at least looks like so to me). What is the real problem here... excluding the character width problem for say Japanese literatures. Kenji From paurea@lsub.org Sat Jul 24 21:54:51 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 23 20:13:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d6ec8f8_dc99_11d8_8095_00304828b574_28188; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:13:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24906344F7D for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:13:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d3e1758_dc99_11d8_9857_00304828b574_28185; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:13:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 050577580FA; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:13:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03057580F9 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:13:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4cfce35a_dc99_11d8_9462_00304828b574_28182; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:13:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B15344F7D for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:13:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c53cd7e_dc99_11d8_8b52_00304828b574_28179; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:13:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01E4F19F46 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:13:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E901119F45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13144-02-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sailu.dat.escet.urjc.es (gsyc031.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1191419F43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e790ab1ad857bc8931c3e70eede36d2@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] links bug From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:12:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <38c33a4d9fc03c12c40cb26a4eaeae9d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C3 hex) in message header 'From' From: Gorka Guardiola M\303\272zquiz List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> what is the problem.... I'm running here the varfont version, and I'm having >> no problem (at least looks like so to me). What is the real problem here... > > excluding the character width problem for say Japanese literatures. The problem here was that clicking on a form gave a broken links. Now, with the fix works ok. I'm not using the fonts Andrew provides, so that may have to do with it too. G. 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I know that the man in front of the cpu/auth server is the only one that can see the users passwords... but it can be dangerous for users that have the same password for different systems (unix, win, plan9 ...) { I am changing my Unix passwords in this very moment, so nemo and gorka can now see my password-for-all in plain text!!! :) } As far as I know, in other systems (i.e. unix) the admin cannot see the users passwords (of course, he can try to crack the /etc/shadow file or to make other malicious acts) I am sure that there is a design related explanation for that... Thanks! Q. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jul 24 21:54:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 23 23:52:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1349328_dcb7_11d8_994f_00304828b574_23371; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:52:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812AD344D4F for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:52:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f03f7e1a_dcb7_11d8_9e62_00304828b574_23363; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:52:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 27D127580FF; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:52:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB371758104 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:52:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id efdf3208_dcb7_11d8_9bd5_00304828b574_23358; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:52:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F02B345118 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:47:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42a33a1c_dcb7_11d8_89eb_00304828b574_18186; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:47:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 058A719F52 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:47:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6649719EB2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07221-02-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C31B119E02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2efc20808270a6a348d719a2939c25cc@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] links bug Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:46:51 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <3526d4bc8156573db1beea212500628d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> I have been playing a little bit with links and got it working for us with >> varfont. The problems seems to be with (old code is commented). > > Since Andrey said varfont version of links has some problem, I wondered > what is the problem.... I'm running here the varfont version, and I'm having > no problem (at least looks like so to me). What is the real problem here... > > Kenji i think Gorka fixed it, whatever it was... sorry, i just don't play with varfont links all that much. andrey From forsyth@terzarima.net Sat Jul 24 21:54:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 01:21:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5010b79e_dcc4_11d8_9d50_00304828b574_4684; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:21:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D880344276 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:21:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f666bcc_dcc4_11d8_8a5a_00304828b574_4611; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:21:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3BFDD7580F9; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:21:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5C27580FD for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:21:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d33b120_dcc4_11d8_8942_00304828b574_4408; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:21:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDF33448A0 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:15:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 73b670b8_dcc3_11d8_97c2_00304828b574_29975; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:15:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D609E19CEE for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:15:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE9BE19F52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05482-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52C0219CEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47ceaaf73c3e603de233603be3fa42d1@terzarima.net> To: esoriano@lsub.org, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:10:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1090588496.13043.40.camel@ronin.dat.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-chmtmqqthlmmifpkuobcxffdzf" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-chmtmqqthlmmifpkuobcxffdzf Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the Plan 9 password is scrambled, into key not secret. secret is used for access to other systems. i don't think you must set it. it is in plain text because it's hard to say which particular scrambling algorithm, if any, will be used to talk to those other systems. --upas-chmtmqqthlmmifpkuobcxffdzf Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Fri Jul 23 14:20:49 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C88C19FAB for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:18:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D57DB19BF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04362-01-90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A64F19C56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ronin.dat.escet.urjc.es ([193.147.71.93]) by aquamar; Fri Jul 23 15:18:16 MDT 2004 X-warning: suspect envelope domain X-warning: suspect From: domain From: Enrique Soriano Salvador To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Laboratorio de Sistemas, URJC Message-Id: <1090588496.13043.40.camel@ronin.dat.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:14:56 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: esoriano@lsub.org, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Why does keyfs serve the users password in plain text on the file /mnt/keys/user/secret ? I know that the man in front of the cpu/auth server is the only one that can see the users passwords... but it can be dangerous for users that have the same password for different systems (unix, win, plan9 ...) { I am changing my Unix passwords in this very moment, so nemo and gorka can now see my password-for-all in plain text!!! :) } As far as I know, in other systems (i.e. unix) the admin cannot see the users passwords (of course, he can try to crack the /etc/shadow file or to make other malicious acts) I am sure that there is a design related explanation for that... Thanks! Q. --upas-chmtmqqthlmmifpkuobcxffdzf-- From wes@village.com Sat Jul 24 21:54:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 01:35:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 580ac1fe_dcc6_11d8_8f4a_00304828b574_16426; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:35:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FBE3448E6 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:35:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 57d7dbae_dcc6_11d8_8737_00304828b574_16423; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:35:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 26FD87580FA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:35:44 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25107580F9 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:35:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5796e8d8_dcc6_11d8_8e05_00304828b574_16420; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:35:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74DB3448E6 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:35:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 56edb2cc_dcc6_11d8_9898_00304828b574_16417; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:35:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B86DD19F9C for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:35:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ADD9719F53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17603-01-88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.abyx.com (s85f45n6e.servers.accentric.net [209.132.69.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1936119C0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thear43is36b75 (h004005bd31cc.ne.client2.attbi.com [65.96.215.98]) by www.abyx.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i6NGgfV18472 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:42:41 -0400 Message-ID: <077201c470d2$f4db1ca0$6c00a8c0@thear43is36b75> From: "Wes Kussmaul" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <47ceaaf73c3e603de233603be3fa42d1@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:34:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > it is in plain text because it's hard to say which > particular scrambling algorithm, if any, > will be used to talk to those other systems. Imagine if we were discussing a building, and the building codes specified that since physical key standards vary, all entrances would have doormats under which one could find a key that opens the door. The problem comes from the naivete of IT standards bodies about matters of authority. City Hall must be behind the standards, and must see that they are enforced. Wes Kussmaul From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jul 24 21:54:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 01:47:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09cfb150_dcc8_11d8_8766_00304828b574_25966; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:47:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48F0344DFD for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:47:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 098e602e_dcc8_11d8_846a_00304828b574_25963; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:47:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8826B7580FA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:47:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382577580F9 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:47:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 092294e8_dcc8_11d8_818b_00304828b574_25960; 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Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f6b19a7115d6e27ab3e44d8fcbca9b7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:47:21 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <077201c470d2$f4db1ca0$6c00a8c0@thear43is36b75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Imagine if we were discussing a building, and the building codes specified > that since physical key standards vary, all entrances would have doormats > under which one could find a key that opens the door. > buildings generally have a residential manager who has the master key to every apartment. in their case that's either gorka or nemo, not everybody (as would be the case in your doormat analogy. we're talking about a rental property after all. :) From 9nut@9netics.com Sat Jul 24 21:54:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:06:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a9fb9c8c_dcca_11d8_84e4_00304828b574_9322; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:06:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 908E519F7E for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:06:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 72B1A19C55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20060-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 386F819B92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:06:16 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <077201c470d2$f4db1ca0$6c00a8c0@thear43is36b75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> it is in plain text because it's hard to say which >> particular scrambling algorithm, if any, >> will be used to talk to those other systems. > > Imagine if we were discussing a building, and the building codes specified > that since physical key standards vary, all entrances would have doormats > under which one could find a key that opens the door. > > The problem comes from the naivete of IT standards bodies about matters of > authority. City Hall must be behind the standards, and must see that they > are enforced. > > Wes Kussmaul Physically secure the console. From sah@softcardsystems.com Sat Jul 24 21:54:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 02:19:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 66151abe_dccc_11d8_9195_00304828b574_19120; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:19:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC6934576E for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:19:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65aa7b64_dccc_11d8_9a6d_00304828b574_19083; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:19:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1D1F67580FA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:19:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9637C7580F9 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:19:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6519cfce_dccc_11d8_87bc_00304828b574_19046; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:19:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3162134576E for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:19:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 642ba29a_dccc_11d8_8801_00304828b574_18901; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:19:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38ABB19F8F for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:19:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0C5C19B75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20060-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57E9219AEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6O7WrII009030 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:32:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:32:53 -0500 (EST) From: Sam X-X-Sender: sah@athena To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu So 'root' on plan9 is anyone with access to the auth console. Good to know. ;) From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jul 24 21:54:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 02:29:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df0807d2_dccd_11d8_90bb_00304828b574_27113; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:29:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B9C3459F3 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:29:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id decfe442_dccd_11d8_814b_00304828b574_27110; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:29:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1E7F17580FA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:29:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2D17580F9 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:29:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de97d3a4_dccd_11d8_93dd_00304828b574_27107; 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Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:29:11 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > So 'root' on plan9 is anyone with access to the auth console. > > Good to know. ;) that's always been the case. see the "Special Users" section of the "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" paper (9.{html,ps,pdf})... with the tiny difference that the file server it describes can't run user processes, of course :) From wes@village.com Sat Jul 24 21:54:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:35 -0400 Message-ID: <07a701c470db$e2c64590$6c00a8c0@thear43is36b75> From: "Wes Kussmaul" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <4f6b19a7115d6e27ab3e44d8fcbca9b7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:38:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > we're talking about a rental property after all. :) I know what you mean. But in the physical world commercial landlords have to be even more careful about building codes than owner/occupants. From esoriano@lsub.org Sat Jul 24 21:54:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 02:46:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b76b822_dcd0_11d8_8107_00304828b574_12754; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:46:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3658D344313 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:46:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a9e4e9c_dcd0_11d8_9fbf_00304828b574_12742; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:46:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 33428758100; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:46:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E9B758102 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:46:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37e73740_dcd0_11d8_96b6_00304828b574_12705; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:46:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203213443FF for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:44:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed8def86_dccf_11d8_9e6d_00304828b574_10360; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:44:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A25619CFD for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:44:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BFC9319CB4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10398-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9D6319C70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.26.0.5] ([213.97.248.49]) by aquamar; Fri Jul 23 19:44:02 MDT 2004 X-warning: suspect envelope domain X-warning: suspect From: domain Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <5d791b8fa2a574fb6cc322e97696054c@terzarima.net> References: <5d791b8fa2a574fb6cc322e97696054c@terzarima.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <4AC740C7-DCD0-11D8-89AF-0003931DE5D4@lsub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Enrique Soriano Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:46:57 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu El 23/07/2004, a las 18:10, Charles Forsyth escribi=F3: > the Plan 9 password is scrambled, into key not secret. > secret is used for access to other systems. > i don't think you must set it. I used auth/changeuser to add the users (I didn't use directly the keyfs filesystem). > it is in plain text because it's hard to say which > particular scrambling algorithm, if any, > will be used to talk to those other systems. Thanks. Q. 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Batchelor" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Is there a moderated list? (Was Re: [9fans] Aunty playing with ... DELETED FOR MIXED COMPANY ) In-Reply-To: <2439bc06cq9n$5wy14t0s47$96i48uqx@affiance.freeproblem.com> Message-ID: References: <2439bc06cq9n$5wy14t0s47$96i48uqx@affiance.freeproblem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Michael R. 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Batchelor" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2439bc06cq9n$5wy14t0s47$96i48uqx@affiance.freeproblem.com> Subject: Re: Is there a moderated list? (Was Re: [9fans] Aunty playing with ...DELETED FOR MIXED COMPANY ) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:52:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'm not a prude, but I get enough spam in my mailbox. Is it > finally time for a moderator to take over the list? no From schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu Sat Jul 24 21:54:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 06:57:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3c8e44e6_dcf3_11d8_9c68_00304828b574_30483; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:57:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2EF344D66 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:57:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3c1a109e_dcf3_11d8_9499_00304828b574_30459; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:57:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0085C7580FA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:57:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915BE7580F9 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:57:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3bc5d178_dcf3_11d8_8e88_00304828b574_30427; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:57:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376F9344D66 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:57:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ad96914_dcf3_11d8_98bc_00304828b574_30314; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:57:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6973D19D55 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:57:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D51719CFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07810-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 871C719BB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7430 invoked by uid 991); 23 Jul 2004 21:56:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20040723215642.7429.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Date: 23 Jul 2004 17:56:42 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Is there a moderated list? (Was Re: [9fans] Aunty playing with ... DELETED FOR MIXED COMPANY ) In-reply-to: References: <2439bc06cq9n$5wy14t0s47$96i48uqx@affiance.freeproblem.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Michael R. Batchelor" message dated "Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:51:52 -0400." Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:56:42 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu How about if we try setting the list to allow postings only from subscribers? 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(Was Re: [9fans] Aunty playing with From: Brantley Coile Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:56:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <016701c470ff$5ba4e0c0$e1fb7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> I'm not a prude, but I get enough spam in my mailbox. Is it >> finally time for a moderator to take over the list? > > no Boyd would say that. 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(Was Re: [9fans] Aunty playing with... DELETED FOR MIXED COMPANY ) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:01:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > How about if we try setting the list to allow postings only from subscribers? i could cope with that. but then they'd use our addresses. time for new protocols. 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(Was Re: [9fans] Aunty playing with ... DELETED FOR MIXED COMPANY ) Message-ID: <20040723220736.GA57263@mero.morphisms.net> References: <2439bc06cq9n$5wy14t0s47$96i48uqx@affiance.freeproblem.com> <20040723215642.7429.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040723215642.7429.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 05:56:42PM -0400, Scott Schwartz wrote: > How about if we try setting the list to allow postings only from subscribers? Most of the spam I get found its way to me via 9fans. Twice I forgot to permute my address and the result has been a deluge because the archives don't honor X-No-Archive and do not make an effort to obscure addresses. Ironically, closing the list in this manner would result in more spam! From michaelb@ind-info.com Sat Jul 24 21:54:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 07:11:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3cf2c8d8_dcf5_11d8_838c_00304828b574_9425; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB2D345245 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3cbf75fa_dcf5_11d8_9ddb_00304828b574_9422; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0D03E7580FA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:11:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E757580F9 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:11:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3c7bfe74_dcf5_11d8_99a8_00304828b574_9419; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:11:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A79345245 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:11:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3bd3275e_dcf5_11d8_9172_00304828b574_9416; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:11:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12AA019F52 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:11:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C86319D2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07810-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.ind-info.com (66-152-60-250.ded.btitelecom.net [66.152.60.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BB35819D39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3963 invoked by uid 502); 23 Jul 2004 22:11:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 22:11:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael R. Batchelor" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Is there a moderated list? (Was Re: [9fans] Aunty playing with... DELETED FOR MIXED COMPANY ) In-Reply-To: <016f01c47100$9a6a4150$e1fb7d50@SOMA> Message-ID: References: <2439bc06cq9n$5wy14t0s47$96i48uqx@affiance.freeproblem.com> <20040723215642.7429.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> <016f01c47100$9a6a4150$e1fb7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Michael R. Batchelor" , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Well, I'm certain the message I complained about in the beginning wasn't really sent by the person whose account it came from. SO my guess is that you're absolutely correct. They'd just use our addresses. On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, boyd, rounin wrote: > > How about if we try setting the list to allow postings only > > from subscribers? > > i could cope with that. > > but then they'd use our addresses. > > time for new protocols. -- Michael R. Batchelor - Industrial Informatics, Inc. Contribute to society: http://www.distributed.net/ogr/ From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jul 24 21:54:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 07:36:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5dea89e_dcf8_11d8_9050_00304828b574_29326; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:36:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6C5345843 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:36:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5ab96fc_dcf8_11d8_9bbe_00304828b574_29323; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:36:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 42B357580FA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:36:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD9E7580F9 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:36:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c56c9f60_dcf8_11d8_8b54_00304828b574_29320; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:36:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDE8345843 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:36:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4c41c5a_dcf8_11d8_8e1c_00304828b574_29317; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:36:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D88919F58 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:36:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 06C4919D28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18601-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91DE719AD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.225]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5830B67344; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <017e01c47105$18f48630$e1fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Michael R. Batchelor" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2439bc06cq9n$5wy14t0s47$96i48uqx@affiance.freeproblem.com><20040723215642.7429.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu><016f01c47100$9a6a4150$e1fb7d50@SOMA> Subject: Re: Is there a moderated list? (Was Re: [9fans] Aunty playing with...DELETED FOR MIXED COMPANY ) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:33:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > SO my guess is that you're absolutely correct. They'd > just use our addresses. ;) after a quick few words with andrey we agreed that either: - killing the newsgroup, because it leaks info - mangling the addresses, by the news/mail gateway would raise the bar a bit. subscription should be done in some sort of style where it has to be a human who's doing it (i'm sure you've all seen the 'type characters in this image' subscription tactic). machine subscription should be eliminated. but, as we thrashed to death about a year back, we need new protocols. 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They'd >> just use our addresses. > > ;) > > after a quick few words with andrey we agreed that either: > > - killing the newsgroup, because it leaks info > - mangling the addresses, by the news/mail gateway > > would raise the bar a bit. > > subscription should be done in some sort of style where > it has to be a human who's doing it (i'm sure you've > all seen the 'type characters in this image' subscription > tactic). machine subscription should be eliminated. > > but, as we thrashed to death about a year back, we > need new protocols. 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 23:19:11 -0000 Message-ID: <41019E1B.60603@chunder.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:24:11 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu if i can access a "secure" console i can steal an equally insecure disk. or simply grab all the backups. if someone breaks into my office they go to jail (it's happened). brucee Sam wrote: > So 'root' on plan9 is anyone with access to the auth console. > > Good to know. ;) From geoff@collyer.net Sat Jul 24 21:54:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 08:51:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28c60966_dd03_11d8_84fc_00304828b574_28780; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F333452CC for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 286adcb2_dd03_11d8_82f2_00304828b574_28725; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C140C7580FA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2933E7580F9 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27d985be_dd03_11d8_937c_00304828b574_28679; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77DE3452CC for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26fd6188_dd03_11d8_87a3_00304828b574_28547; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FB591A019 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:50:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87ECD19D5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27367-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE01919D4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1dcc8b3cd76ad71e0b6583cbcd1a0b3b@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Raise the bar From: Geoff Collyer Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:50:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1090623405.1F4B6783@w5.dngr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Here's a strawman* proposal for the developers' list: Everybody who posts to it already has or can get an account on sources. If the labs will let us use the sources authentication server for this purpose, we require someone sending mail to the list to 9fs to the machine holding the archives and mailing out the copies. They execute (probably encapsulated in a shell script, say /n/9fans/rc/bin/9fans): 9fs 9fans && mount -b /n/9fans/mail/box /mail/box && mount /n/9fans/mail/lib /mail/lib && mail 9fans A copy is appended to the archive mailbox (without using SMTP) and copies are mailed out to the list subscribers (or perhaps they can just read the archive mailbox if they prefer). Obviously one can set upasname, but the point is not flawless authentication (though that can be had by looking at the logs on 9fans), but simply keeping out those without accounts on sources. ___ * basis for discussion From robpike@gmail.com Sat Jul 24 21:54:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 09:28:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68e33f28_dd08_11d8_9dd7_00304828b574_31374; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:28:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489EF344249 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:28:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68aad73c_dd08_11d8_9209_00304828b574_31371; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:28:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7A5F87580FB; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:28:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7E7758104 for ; 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boundary="upas-uaugaruggtmsuebzkoerjmxyis" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-uaugaruggtmsuebzkoerjmxyis Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if you don't set a pop3 password in keyfs there won't be one in the clear (in `secret'). plan 9 itself doesn't need that password except to support pop3 clients (and similar). if you don't use pop3 you don't need it. the administrator of the auth server can still shuffle the contents of the plan 9 `key' files to masquerade for instance but cannot see the original plain text key. thus your secret is safe unless it's in `secret', because `key' doesn't contain the original key. in any case, the casual snooping possible with Unix/Linux's `root' is a little more tedious to do on Plan 9, and immutable logs in changeuser/keyfs might discourage it further. --upas-uaugaruggtmsuebzkoerjmxyis Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Fri Jul 23 18:46:23 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC0FE19F73 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:44:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BFC9319CB4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10398-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9D6319C70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.26.0.5] ([213.97.248.49]) by aquamar; Fri Jul 23 19:44:02 MDT 2004 X-warning: suspect envelope domain X-warning: suspect From: domain Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <5d791b8fa2a574fb6cc322e97696054c@terzarima.net> References: <5d791b8fa2a574fb6cc322e97696054c@terzarima.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <4AC740C7-DCD0-11D8-89AF-0003931DE5D4@lsub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Enrique Soriano Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:46:57 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu El 23/07/2004, a las 18:10, Charles Forsyth escribi=F3: > the Plan 9 password is scrambled, into key not secret. > secret is used for access to other systems. > i don't think you must set it. I used auth/changeuser to add the users (I didn't use directly the keyfs filesystem). > it is in plain text because it's hard to say which > particular scrambling algorithm, if any, > will be used to talk to those other systems. Thanks. Q. --upas-uaugaruggtmsuebzkoerjmxyis-- From matthias@mteege.de Sat Jul 24 21:55:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 20:11:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e867796_dd62_11d8_85a8_00304828b574_28963; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:11:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBB13444BA for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:11:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e53fbae_dd62_11d8_92cb_00304828b574_28960; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:11:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1C4657580FC; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:11:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7200F758109 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:11:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2cbcffde_dd62_11d8_87ed_00304828b574_28863; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:11:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59953444BA for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:05:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 62b58b3e_dd61_11d8_9022_00304828b574_22789; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:05:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE3AA19DB6 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:05:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F02E19CFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20805-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (unknown [82.149.227.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0744A19AB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37008 invoked by uid 66); 24 Jul 2004 11:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14464 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2004 11:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 11:01:13 -0000 Message-ID: <2815cde17b2227e6b553cfc5e4e548be@mteege.de> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:00:27 0000 From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] smaller Plan9 dist X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Moin, I try do install Plan9 from the iso Image on a 250 MB CF Card but it looks like that the card is to small for the standard Plan9 setup. I try to build a standalone cpu/auth server without a disk but now I need a 512 MB CF Card. A 512 MB Card costs 80,--EUR which is the same as a 120 GB IDE drive. Is there any way to shrink Plan9 to 250 MB or should I bye two big disks and build a cpu/auth/filserver. ;-) Many thanks Matthias From steve@quintile.net Tue Jul 27 23:56:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 24 22:51:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9097f110_dd78_11d8_91c0_00304828b574_1144; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998FD344435 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:51:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8fd37100_dd78_11d8_9a0e_00304828b574_1136; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:51:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6AA54758101; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:51:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C2B7580FF for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:51:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f89dde2_dd78_11d8_9ff6_00304828b574_1131; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:51:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322A0344435 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:49:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a33bfac_dd78_11d8_8567_00304828b574_30796; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:49:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3993219F91 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:48:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D675719DB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03148-03-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 549F319B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <25eaf31495573cf9d46858cf0222fc62@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:48:31 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Surely the pop3 password in keyfs is now historic (and could be deleted) given that we now have factotum? -Steve From BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu Tue Jul 27 23:56:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jul 25 08:30:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 771626d4_ddc9_11d8_87f3_00304828b574_9601; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:30:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02BE3449B6 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:30:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76d3311c_ddc9_11d8_87b2_00304828b574_9595; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:30:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4BDBA758101; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:30:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D48758106 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:30:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7374d5de_ddc9_11d8_9f97_00304828b574_9554; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:30:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2415A3449B6 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:24:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92883872_ddc8_11d8_903e_00304828b574_2621; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:24:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C46519F14 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:24:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7173819D07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04040-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drax.ntdom.cupdx (drax.cu-portland.edu [65.170.220.179]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA75819CD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vargas.ntdom.cupdx ([65.170.220.154]) by drax.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:23:51 -0700 Received: from cellctl ([10.24.36.24]) by vargas.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:23:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:22:48 -0700 References: AAwj1hBAAAgDAaTsLseeeKUMOBBGyNdf X-Mailer: Groupwise 6.5 Message-ID: <20040724T162248Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> From: Ben Huntsman Subject: Re: [9fans] smaller Plan9 dist To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2004 23:23:51.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[4793AE50:01C471D5] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Use Inferno... that's what it's for. Plan 9 is for desktop/server = computing. The IDE drive will give you better preformance, and you can = get them far larger than 512MB... ;) =20 -Ben >>> Matthias Teege 7/24/2004 4:00:27 AM >>> Moin, I try do install Plan9 from the iso Image on a 250 MB CF Card but it looks like that the card is to small for the standard Plan9 setup. I try to build a standalone cpu/auth server without a disk but now I need a 512 MB CF Card. A 512 MB Card costs 80,--EUR which is the same as a 120 GB IDE drive. Is there any way to shrink Plan9 to 250 MB or should I bye two big disks and build a cpu/auth/filserver. ;-) Many thanks Matthias From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 27 23:56:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 26 03:38:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cc2db916_de69_11d8_88b7_00304828b574_9708; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:38:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199F934425C for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:38:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cbe30178_de69_11d8_865f_00304828b574_9705; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:38:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8120D7580FB; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:38:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B39758108 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:38:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ca0cc406_de69_11d8_8ba3_00304828b574_9672; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:38:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB69344674 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:36:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92e991a2_de69_11d8_8dcf_00304828b574_7609; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:36:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6026219E63 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:36:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80CEE19C80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24497-02-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.2.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C926619C05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (imgw1 [136.159.5.9]) by ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6PIX1eR028905 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6PIWupj010780 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:32:57 -0600 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:32:51 -0600 (MDT) From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] smaller Plan9 dist In-Reply-To: <2815cde17b2227e6b553cfc5e4e548be@mteege.de> Message-ID: References: <2815cde17b2227e6b553cfc5e4e548be@mteege.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu if the machine is going to be special-purpose why not just copy whatever you need from an already existing p9 installation? you can do without /sys/src/ for example.. see the "Compact Flash standalone AUTH server" thread starting May 12th. andrey On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Matthias Teege wrote: > Moin, > > I try do install Plan9 from the iso Image on a 250 MB > CF Card but it looks like that the card is to small > for the standard Plan9 setup. I try to build a standalone > cpu/auth server without a disk but now I need a 512 MB > CF Card. A 512 MB Card costs 80,--EUR which is the same > as a 120 GB IDE drive. Is there any way to shrink Plan9 > to 250 MB or should I bye two big disks and build a > cpu/auth/filserver. ;-) > > Many thanks > Matthias > From forsyth@terzarima.net Tue Jul 27 23:56:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 26 04:24:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 308484d4_de70_11d8_8735_00304828b574_14535; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:24:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E815734591B for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:24:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2fe5e14e_de70_11d8_863c_00304828b574_14467; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:24:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A9E277580FA; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:24:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B931C7580F9 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:24:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f32d1a8_de70_11d8_9be6_00304828b574_14391; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:24:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7A434591B for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:23:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2defa94c_de70_11d8_9584_00304828b574_14228; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:24:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0693D19CA2 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:23:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6FBC19BAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15663-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F71E19CA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f1264d9a3111def5d742c8c67098c4c@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs From: Charles Forsyth Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:19:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: <25eaf31495573cf9d46858cf0222fc62@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-rwzmfhhjmcgrngnsqmxsibvpzc" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-rwzmfhhjmcgrngnsqmxsibvpzc Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it's for the pop3 server side for non-plan9 clients to collect mail by pop3 from a plan 9 mail service using md5 authentication (hash a challenge using a secret), for instance. the protocol requires the server to know the secret, not just a hash of it. as it happens, factotum is in the pop3 server loop on the server, but it doesn't access the secret directly. that's left to authsrv, because it has access to keyfs. either way, something on a server must store the real secret; this way, it's only stored on an auth server, which is potentially better protected and might only do auth serving (for instance). --upas-rwzmfhhjmcgrngnsqmxsibvpzc Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Sat Jul 24 14:50:50 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D47AF19E85 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D675719DB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03148-03-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 549F319B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <25eaf31495573cf9d46858cf0222fc62@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:48:31 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plain passwords and keyfs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Surely the pop3 password in keyfs is now historic (and could be deleted) given that we now have factotum? -Steve --upas-rwzmfhhjmcgrngnsqmxsibvpzc-- From steve@quintile.net Tue Jul 27 23:56:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I stand corrected. -Steve From countryjoe@myrealbox.com Tue Jul 27 23:56:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jul 26 07:02:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51fecca8_de86_11d8_93e1_00304828b574_20582; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:02:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9718D344CF4 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:02:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51c33634_de86_11d8_8f92_00304828b574_20579; 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Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21625-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16E1819D7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from myrealbox.com countryjoe [216.128.233.46] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.89 $ on Novell NetWare; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:02:00 -0600 Message-ID: <41042DC6.8030803@myrealbox.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:01:42 -0600 From: Philippe on f7400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040613 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Stuck start of Installation X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Bonjour all, I'm trying to install Plan9 to an HP pavillon ze5570us an I'm stuck just at the last line of the following steps : PBS.....Plan 9 from Bell Labs ELCR: 0420 dev A0 port 1F0 config 045A capabilities 2B00 mwdma 0007 udma 203F dev A0 port 170 config 85C0 capabilities 0F00 mwdma 0407 pcirouting: 1106/3104 at pin 3 irq 10 pcirouting: 14E4/4320 at pin 1 irq 10 pcirouting: 104C/8026 at pin 1 irq 11 found partition sdD0!cdboot; 42895+1440 using sdD0!cdboot!plan9.ini Plan 9 Startup Menu : ================ 1. Install Plan 9 from this CD 2. Boot Plan 9 from this CD Selection: 1 found 9pcflop.gz .gz.......... ................... 1261590 => 755436+1104292+103648=1963376 entry: 80100020 Plan9 cpu0: 2658MHz GenuineIntel P4 (cpuid: AX 0x........) ELCR: 0240 #y0: 2 slot Intel 82365SSL: port 0x3E0 irq 5 anar: 05e1 anar: 05e1 anlpar: 41e1 aner: 0007 physts:0015 tbscr: 0b28 #l0:83815: 100mbps port 0x2400 irq 10: 000.. dev A0 port 1F0 config 045A capabilities 2B00 mwdma 0007 udma 203F dma 00550020 rwm 0 dev A0 port 170 config 85C0 capabilities 0F00 mwdma 0407 dma 00000004 rwm 0 68462 free pages, 273848K bytes, 913848K swap and that's it.....!!! I'm just stuck here. I've google around to try to find out but no luck until now. If someone has any clue, direction, please let me know. Have a good one. Philippe From schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu Tue Jul 27 23:56:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 04:11:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a4d45342_df37_11d8_8e68_00304828b574_29777; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7D834455D for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a47d8b34_df37_11d8_8a8e_00304828b574_29774; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 346B37580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:11:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27167580F9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:11:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a43f385c_df37_11d8_9eca_00304828b574_29771; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:11:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F058F34455D for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:11:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3907a42_df37_11d8_8c59_00304828b574_29767; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:11:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 339411A39E for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:11:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED1DD1A0B5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00360-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C57621A027 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18625 invoked by uid 991); 26 Jul 2004 19:11:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040726191104.18624.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> From: "Scott Schwartz" Date: 26 Jul 2004 15:11:04 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] spam X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Sorry about the deluge of spam. I'm not sure why our filters didn't do a better job, but in any case I've decided to set the list to subscriber-only, at least for now, just to keep the random stuff out. -- Scott From xigh@free.fr Tue Jul 27 23:56:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 04:25:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d7f7e08_df39_11d8_860a_00304828b574_8468; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:25:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7953450AD for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:25:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d4c06a4_df39_11d8_87b7_00304828b574_8465; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:25:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 265807580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:25:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03427580F9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:25:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d0dca60_df39_11d8_9fbb_00304828b574_8462; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:25:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E122D3450AD for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:25:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c60d706_df39_11d8_99b7_00304828b574_8459; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:25:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 137BD1A32B for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:25:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BFEBD19E8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01563-01-81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postfix3-2.free.fr (postfix3-2.free.fr [213.228.0.169]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E56D51A136 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from w2k.free.fr (unknown [81.56.130.129]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE7CC696 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:25:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040726212404.0287aa00@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: xigh@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:24:14 +0200 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Philippe Anel Subject: Re: [9fans] spam In-Reply-To: <20040726191104.18624.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> References: <20040726191104.18624.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu At 09:11 PM 7/26/2004, you wrote: >Sorry about the deluge of spam. I'm not sure why our filters >didn't do a better job, but in any case I've decided to set >the list to subscriber-only, at least for now, just to keep >the random stuff out. > >-- Scott thank you ;) From michaelb@ind-info.com Tue Jul 27 23:56:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 04:35:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fff1d440_df3a_11d8_9918_00304828b574_16778; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:35:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAF93450DA for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:35:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ffba3c06_df3a_11d8_9bf6_00304828b574_16775; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:35:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8E36B7580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:35:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365E27580F9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:35:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ff48e74a_df3a_11d8_99e5_00304828b574_16772; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:35:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380083450DA for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:35:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fe9d0bb4_df3a_11d8_9c35_00304828b574_16769; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:35:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDD0B1A303 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68E871A136 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05722-01-96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.ind-info.com (66-152-60-250.ded.btitelecom.net [66.152.60.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C90F919D3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7850 invoked by uid 502); 26 Jul 2004 19:35:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jul 2004 19:35:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:35:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael R. Batchelor" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] spam In-Reply-To: <20040726191104.18624.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Message-ID: References: <20040726191104.18624.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Michael R. Batchelor" , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Well, isn't it likely that someone's address is compromised, so that we'll just get a bunch of spem from them until you figure out who it is? On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Scott Schwartz wrote: > Sorry about the deluge of spam. I'm not sure why our filters > didn't do a better job, but in any case I've decided to set > the list to subscriber-only, at least for now, just to keep > the random stuff out. > > -- Scott > -- Michael R. Batchelor - Industrial Informatics, Inc. Contribute to society: http://www.distributed.net/ogr/ From steve@quintile.net Tue Jul 27 23:56:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 06:17:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 38c022dc_df49_11d8_9299_00304828b574_6944; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:17:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FC6345714 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:17:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 388a9fd6_df49_11d8_9dd6_00304828b574_6941; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:17:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 122907580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:17:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD2F7580F9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:17:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 384e5350_df49_11d8_8173_00304828b574_6938; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:17:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6C8345714 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:17:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37a0a2be_df49_11d8_83b5_00304828b574_6935; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:17:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26E821A296 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:17:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E670619FBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00887-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27AD91A032 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:17:08 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9dev@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <4105048E.6000500@austin.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > only jmk being left in Murray Hill, ... This makes me very sad, however I shall do all I can to keep plan9 alive; it's a matter of principal. There is too much to learn, so one must chose what to study, and I find time spent learing, and using Java, MSVC, GtK etc. feels wasted. Plan9 is worthy of beign learnt and used. -Steve From rvs@sun.com Tue Jul 27 23:56:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 06:41:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 814eaf48_df4c_11d8_91cf_00304828b574_31707; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:41:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29D0344234 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:41:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80c8f8d0_df4c_11d8_9082_00304828b574_31668; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:41:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9449A7580FD; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:41:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1C9758104 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:41:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e9c9f58_df4c_11d8_8bca_00304828b574_31440; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:41:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF8D3447D9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:39:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49fbcf30_df4c_11d8_96c8_00304828b574_29890; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:39:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08EA11A304 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:39:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 690551A0D3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13233-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96A5719A92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfbaymail2sca.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.42]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6QLat53007633 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from submarine.sfbay.sun.com (submarine.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.78.138]) by sfbaymail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id i6QLdBWG027457 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rs76089@localhost) by submarine.sfbay.sun.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id i6QLdBQ28962 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:39:10 -0700 From: Roman Shaposhnick To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9dev@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <20040726213910.GA28764@submarine> References: <4105048E.6000500@austin.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 10:17:08PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: > > only jmk being left in Murray Hill, ... > > This makes me very sad, however I shall do all I can to keep plan9 > alive; it's a matter of principal. I tend to agree. But. There's also a matter of gatekeepers. plan9 was lucky enough to have people in this role with an excellent taste in how code should look like. IMHO, that's the real reason behind why source reads like a good literature. It's not a question of functionality or community-based development it's really just a question of euthanizing code that shouldn't have seen the light of day in the first place, no matter how much useful features it contains. I can only hope that with jmk being the only one left we can still have this. Thanks, Roman. 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Unix's founding fathers X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I thought it might be nice to have something worth reading amongst all the spam today. http://economist.com/science/tq/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2724348 From boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee Tue Jul 27 23:56:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 09:25:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 799a25e0_df63_11d8_9d14_00304828b574_9023; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:25:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE65344594 for ; 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Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:16:23 +0300 (EEST) From: Boris Maryshev Organization: The Estonian IT College To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Unix's founding fathers Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:16:20 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200407270316.20821.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tuesday 27 July 2004 03:03, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I thought it might be nice to have something worth reading > amongst all the spam today. > > http://economist.com/science/tq/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3D2724348 Nice indeed. As Boyd pointed out, =E2=80=9CSpace Travel=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9CSpac= e War=E2=80=9D. And hey, how come other lists are dealing with spam much better? Boris =2D-=20 There are two kinds of fool. One says, "This is old, and therefore good." 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Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so94027rnl for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.12.79 with SMTP id 79mr926898rnl; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f0490407261722141d56b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:22:25 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Unix's founding fathers In-Reply-To: <200407270316.20821.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200407270316.20821.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu no, the article is correct. it was 'space travel'. -rob From boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee Tue Jul 27 23:56:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:24:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ajukaja (ip62.cab7.lsn.starman.ee [82.131.7.62]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B93193397 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:24:48 +0300 (EEST) From: Boris Maryshev Organization: The Estonian IT College To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] spam Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:24:45 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040726191104.18624.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407270324.45930.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Monday 26 July 2004 22:35, Michael R. Batchelor wrote: > Well, isn't it likely that someone's address is compromised, so > that we'll just get a bunch of spem from them until you figure > out who it is? It seems to me, that it's somewhere in *.lucent.com area... Why don't we just ban those folks? > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Scott Schwartz wrote: > > Sorry about the deluge of spam. I'm not sure why our filters > > didn't do a better job, but in any case I've decided to set > > the list to subscriber-only, at least for now, just to keep > > the random stuff out. > > > > -- Scott > > -- > Michael R. Batchelor - Industrial Informatics, Inc. > Contribute to society: http://www.distributed.net/ogr/ Boris -- People usually get what's coming to them ... unless it's been mailed. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jul 27 23:56:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 09:28:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e977604e_df63_11d8_8d0b_00304828b574_12380; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:28:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743FF344208 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:28:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e92e3b1c_df63_11d8_8c44_00304828b574_12372; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:28:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C688C758100; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:28:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83F77580FE for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e3f7c5e6_df63_11d8_849f_00304828b574_12311; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7765344282 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:24:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 616d9c04_df63_11d8_801d_00304828b574_7937; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:24:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 136F01A0D2 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:24:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9A8719F84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01564-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DC0B19E0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Unix's founding fathers Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:24:18 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I thought it might be nice to have something worth reading > amongst all the spam today. > > http://economist.com/science/tq/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2724348 did you find the code snippets in the dmr collage a tad strange: http://economist.com/images/20040612/UNIX.jpg ? i'll tell you where they are from (google's working now): http://www.aljex.com/bkw/filepro/ (the topmost entry, check the screenshots) but i can't tell you why they were used instead of some trivial C code... filePro for SCO UNIX? wtf indeed! andrey From boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee Tue Jul 27 23:56:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 09:38:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51929922_df65_11d8_88cf_00304828b574_20187; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:38:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22F23449DD for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:38:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 515e7c8c_df65_11d8_9f8f_00304828b574_20184; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:38:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9E4787580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:38:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DC57580F9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:38:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51236ae8_df65_11d8_945e_00304828b574_20181; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:38:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600493449DD for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:38:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 507355ea_df65_11d8_959c_00304828b574_20178; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:38:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 821CC19DFA for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:38:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E316819D41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02664-02-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.starman.ee (mx1.starman.ee [62.65.192.16]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 808E919D3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50C21933DF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:38:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ajukaja (ip62.cab7.lsn.starman.ee [82.131.7.62]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAAD1933AD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:38:16 +0300 (EEST) From: Boris Maryshev Organization: The Estonian IT College To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Unix's founding fathers Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:38:13 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200407270316.20821.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> <7359f0490407261722141d56b6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7359f0490407261722141d56b6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407270338.13903.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tuesday 27 July 2004 03:22, Rob Pike wrote: > no, the article is correct. it was 'space travel'. I see. "Later we fixed Space Travel so it would run under (PDP-7) Unix instead of standalone, and did also a very faithful copy of the Spacewar game originally done (I think) at MIT on the PDP-1, but that was a different game." http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/spacetravel.html But then there are quite a few articles on the Internet, which say that Unix is here thanks to Ken wanting to play Space War on Programmed Data Processor-7. > > -rob Boris -- The sendmail configuration file is one of those files that looks like someone beat their head on the keyboard. After working with it... I can see why! -- Harry Skelton From forsyth@terzarima.net Tue Jul 27 23:56:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 09:59:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3fc617d4_df68_11d8_8b4d_00304828b574_4878; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:59:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59980344BFA for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:59:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3f9345fc_df68_11d8_9c77_00304828b574_4875; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:59:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3A9517580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:59:44 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E586C7580F9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:59:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3f520b3c_df68_11d8_897f_00304828b574_4872; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:59:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058C2344BFA for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:59:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ea72d52_df68_11d8_8045_00304828b574_4869; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:59:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4468B1A11B for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:59:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70F1C19E2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13343-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E55B319E10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Charles Forsyth Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:00:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] sendmail critic X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>The sendmail configuration file is one of those files that looks like someone >>beat their head on the keyboard. After working with it... I can see why! >> -- Harry Skelton i think it was better described as looking like an entry from R2D2's diary. 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From newsham@lava.net Tue Jul 27 23:56:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 15:06:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0b666068_df93_11d8_8d2d_00304828b574_15918; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D8F344E84 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0af1cfb4_df93_11d8_9b86_00304828b574_15888; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4039E7580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C6D7580F9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0a85e808_df93_11d8_92c2_00304828b574_15850; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4C3344E84 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 099240a4_df93_11d8_8aaf_00304828b574_15670; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F15719EA6 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:05:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00EFC19BE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17412-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 72A7C19BC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAA9135B5; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:05:26 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:05:26 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] smaller Plan9 dist In-Reply-To: <2815cde17b2227e6b553cfc5e4e548be@mteege.de> Message-ID: References: <2815cde17b2227e6b553cfc5e4e548be@mteege.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I try do install Plan9 from the iso Image on a 250 MB > CF Card but it looks like that the card is to small > for the standard Plan9 setup. I try to build a standalone > cpu/auth server without a disk but now I need a 512 MB > CF Card. Why not boot the cpu server diskless, then you only need a few k for the boot loader? Tim N. 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Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] smaller Plan9 dist From: Charles Forsyth Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:03:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-glcronevmxazohodcxjboncjfj" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-glcronevmxazohodcxjboncjfj Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if you set it up somewhere else you can copy just what you need. in fact, you could probably boot from cd on another machine, make an archive of just what you need, then unpack that onto the CF card, if you haven't the space to do a full installation anywhere. in any case, 250 Mb should be plenty for many purposes (given that a stripped down system will fit in the 16 or is it 32 mbyte flash on an ipaq) --upas-glcronevmxazohodcxjboncjfj Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Tue Jul 27 07:07:41 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6406B1A03D for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:05:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00EFC19BE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17412-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 72A7C19BC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAA9135B5; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:05:26 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:05:26 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] smaller Plan9 dist In-Reply-To: <2815cde17b2227e6b553cfc5e4e548be@mteege.de> Message-ID: References: <2815cde17b2227e6b553cfc5e4e548be@mteege.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > I try do install Plan9 from the iso Image on a 250 MB > CF Card but it looks like that the card is to small > for the standard Plan9 setup. I try to build a standalone > cpu/auth server without a disk but now I need a 512 MB > CF Card. Why not boot the cpu server diskless, then you only need a few k for the boot loader? Tim N. --upas-glcronevmxazohodcxjboncjfj-- From steve@quintile.net Tue Jul 27 23:56:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 18:09:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a70109a6_dfac_11d8_930e_00304828b574_13731; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:09:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CC13457E3 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:09:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a6be5da4_dfac_11d8_82f7_00304828b574_13728; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:09:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 19AF47580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:09:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55407580F9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:09:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a67dad5e_dfac_11d8_8ebe_00304828b574_13725; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:09:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01D83457E3 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:09:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a5cb30d4_dfac_11d8_97f4_00304828b574_13722; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:09:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D30A19DDD for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:09:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E214419D6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05121-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62D5919D33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0a7e9cbc3dce203a293a79c51c7bf50a@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:08:43 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] (no subject) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In a comunity spirit... Why not generate a proto file for mkfs/mkext to copy the minimal set of files for the auth server to your compact flash, and then post the proto file on the wiki? -Steve From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jul 27 23:56:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 18:43:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6988acdc_dfb1_11d8_9ba5_00304828b574_10895; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:43:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50FB344727 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:43:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68c3bf08_dfb1_11d8_9d7b_00304828b574_10885; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:43:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7F2F27580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:43:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412057580FD for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:43:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 687cd250_dfb1_11d8_8744_00304828b574_10881; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:43:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4650344BFB for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:37:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a5cedb72_dfb0_11d8_9135_00304828b574_4682; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:38:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E935219EA6 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:37:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A94119D99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10176-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51ACD19D6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9cc3e26241ddda3675dcea7a38af0dd8@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:38:15 +0900 In-Reply-To: <0a7e9cbc3dce203a293a79c51c7bf50a@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Why not generate a proto file for mkfs/mkext to copy the > minimal set of files for the auth server to your compact > flash, and then post the proto file on the wiki? I think because this is Plan 9 fans list, not Linux mailing list? =E2=98=BA Kenji From lucio@proxima.alt.za Tue Jul 27 23:56:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 18:53:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df0b5d14_dfb2_11d8_9098_00304828b574_22147; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:53:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA0B3442CA for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:53:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ded29506_dfb2_11d8_8fe7_00304828b574_22136; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:53:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CDBD77580FB; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:53:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85033758100 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:53:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da3384ec_dfb2_11d8_89e9_00304828b574_22037; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:53:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CD73446DF for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:45:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b6d4c84a_dfb1_11d8_9019_00304828b574_13115; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:45:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1413A19B75 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:45:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B0E119B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10175-02-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tackle.hq.iba.co.za (server.iba.co.za [196.30.44.140]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B027A19B12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6924e08ba1c37de3459f8578597cc6fb@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) From: Lucio De Re Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail X-Disclaimer: Everything expressed is an opinion Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:44:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9cc3e26241ddda3675dcea7a38af0dd8@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lucio De Re , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I think because this is Plan 9 fans list, not Linux mailing list? =E2=98= =BA I hope _this_ is not the discriminant between Linux and Plan 9 audiences? ++L From steve@quintile.net Tue Jul 27 23:57:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 19:54:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6388df64_dfbb_11d8_9fd4_00304828b574_5669; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:54:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3578534586A for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:54:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 631d13b0_dfbb_11d8_9d1f_00304828b574_5666; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:54:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 14F777580FA; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:54:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01A57580F9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:54:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 62db3eb8_dfbb_11d8_8c01_00304828b574_5663; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:54:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABC534586A for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:54:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 62288d4a_dfbb_11d8_9418_00304828b574_5660; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:54:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDE7219E7F for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:54:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20EB319B7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18322-02-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7373319B60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <755cce86156cfbde0dee14b5470d0ba5@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:54:16 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <9cc3e26241ddda3675dcea7a38af0dd8@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I think because this is Plan 9 fans list, not Linux mailing list? =E2=98= =BA Aw, no fair. I was disturbed by David and Russ leaving the labs, and I am worried that the 9fans community is losing momentum - perhaps there are many great projects under way but I don't hear of them. It has been said before, the limited of support plan9 gets in the world is partly due to its steep learning curve, and partly the lack of "standard" applications. Writing a web browser difficult, we all agree, however editing the wiki to make it more up to date, accurate and helpfull is easy (and yes I have been). -Steve From boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee Tue Jul 27 23:57:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jul 27 22:36:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 04350832_dfd2_11d8_8f7e_00304828b574_16820; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:36:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13404345A68 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:36:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 040127ec_dfd2_11d8_9570_00304828b574_16817; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:36:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EBA167580FB; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:36:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9190F7580FA for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:36:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 03b7992e_dfd2_11d8_82ae_00304828b574_16814; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:36:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450BD345A68 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:36:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 02c79992_dfd2_11d8_8f71_00304828b574_16807; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:36:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9FB9719E80 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:36:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80B7619C9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17321-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.starman.ee (mx1.starman.ee [62.65.192.16]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CAE719C3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647E4193487 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:36:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ajukaja (ip195.cab5.lsn.starman.ee [82.131.5.195]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF819193397 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:36:13 +0300 (EEST) From: Boris Maryshev Organization: The Estonian IT College To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:36:10 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <755cce86156cfbde0dee14b5470d0ba5@quintile.net> In-Reply-To: <755cce86156cfbde0dee14b5470d0ba5@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200407271636.10948.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tuesday 27 July 2004 13:54, Steve Simon wrote: > > I think because this is Plan 9 fans list, not Linux mailing list? =E2= =98=BA What's collaboration in Plan 9 way, then? Bashing Linux all together? > > Aw, no fair. > > I was disturbed by David and Russ leaving the labs, and I am > worried that the 9fans community is losing momentum - perhaps > there are many great projects under way but I don't hear of them. They pop-up here from time-to-time. It's just that they pop-up only here... > > It has been said before, the limited of support plan9 gets > in the world is partly due to its steep learning curve, and > partly the lack of "standard" applications. Like what application? > > Writing a web browser difficult, we all agree, however editing the > wiki to make it more up to date, accurate and helpfull is easy > (and yes I have been). Maybe writing a web browser, or office suite or anything like this is not t= he=20 interesting area to work on with Plan 9? Maybe it'd be more interesting to= =20 study Plan 9's distributed nature and invent new things on top of it? What= =20 about putting httpd working in a 9grid and distributing load between nodes,= =20 which might be located worldwide (Akamai would be happy...)? > > -Steve I wouldn't say "steep learning curve" either. It was made following KISS=20 principle, remember? I'd say, that the hurdle comes when you try to make it= =20 work on an unsupported hardware and fail. So what we need are not=20 "applications", but better support for hardware. And new ideas exploiting=20 Plan 9's philosophy. boris =2D-=20 But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses. -- Bruce Leverett, "Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers" From justin.herald@earthlink.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 00:25:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22f14880_dfe1_11d8_80c9_00304828b574_17403; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:25:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF37344471 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:25:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 228b1998_dfe1_11d8_9da6_00304828b574_17366; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:25:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C53167580FB; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:25:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9167580FF for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:25:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 20ab77f8_dfe1_11d8_8845_00304828b574_17155; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:25:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3581D3447FC for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:24:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0610cf4c_dfe1_11d8_9c43_00304828b574_16735; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:24:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F29D619E2A for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:24:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6FBD19CF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16209-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D442219CEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-4.224.30.169.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.224.30.169]) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BpTnw-0000dD-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:23:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407271636.10948.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> References: <755cce86156cfbde0dee14b5470d0ba5@quintile.net> <200407271636.10948.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Justin Herald Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:23:46 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I would agree that most of the true power comes from it's distributed=20 nature and developing on top of that and supporting new hardware should=20= be the top priority. On the other hand, if we want to get p9 out there=20= and more in the spotlight, there need to be some more common=20 applications for it that SysAdmins and developers are familiar with to=20= get them intrigued in the OS and it's potential On Jul 27, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Boris Maryshev wrote: > On Tuesday 27 July 2004 13:54, Steve Simon wrote: >>> I think because this is Plan 9 fans list, not Linux mailing list? = =E2=98=BA > What's collaboration in Plan 9 way, then? Bashing Linux all together? >> >> Aw, no fair. >> >> I was disturbed by David and Russ leaving the labs, and I am >> worried that the 9fans community is losing momentum - perhaps >> there are many great projects under way but I don't hear of them. > They pop-up here from time-to-time. It's just that they pop-up only=20 > here... >> >> It has been said before, the limited of support plan9 gets >> in the world is partly due to its steep learning curve, and >> partly the lack of "standard" applications. > Like what application? >> >> Writing a web browser difficult, we all agree, however editing the >> wiki to make it more up to date, accurate and helpfull is easy >> (and yes I have been). > Maybe writing a web browser, or office suite or anything like this is=20= > not the > interesting area to work on with Plan 9? Maybe it'd be more=20 > interesting to > study Plan 9's distributed nature and invent new things on top of it?=20= > What > about putting httpd working in a 9grid and distributing load between=20= > nodes, > which might be located worldwide (Akamai would be happy...)? >> >> -Steve > I wouldn't say "steep learning curve" either. It was made following=20 > KISS > principle, remember? I'd say, that the hurdle comes when you try to=20 > make it > work on an unsupported hardware and fail. So what we need are not > "applications", but better support for hardware. And new ideas=20 > exploiting > Plan 9's philosophy. > > boris > --=20 > But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the > system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, > analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses. > -- Bruce Leverett, > "Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers" > From davide+p9@cs.cmu.edu Fri Jul 30 14:23:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 01:44:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3cdf4232_dfec_11d8_9b53_00304828b574_20370; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:44:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0716334483B for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:44:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ca248dc_dfec_11d8_91a7_00304828b574_20364; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:44:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E3CB575810C; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:44:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B932B7580FC for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:44:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ab29b3a_dfec_11d8_9141_00304828b574_20339; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:44:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BC63444F7 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:38:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5cf0b93a_dfeb_11d8_8ba9_00304828b574_13603; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:38:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E041119EA2 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:38:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 92C4419C9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05787-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yerah.fac.cs.cmu.edu (YERAH.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.191.162]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1B1A219C32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PIPER.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU ([128.2.194.80]) by yerah.fac.cs.cmu.edu id aa11744; 27 Jul 2004 12:37 EDT From: Dave Eckhardt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Stuck start of Installation References: <41042DC6.8030803@myrealbox.com>, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <27647.1090946260.1@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:37:40 -0400 Message-ID: <27648.1090946260@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In article , wrote: > >I had a similar problem just the other night. It turned out that >if I removed the Ethernet card, everything was happy. I saw something like this just yesterday on an Intel 440BX system. If the BIOS was set to "Plug and Play OS: Yes", the kernel hung soon after entry, but if I set it to "No" it continued, and the first thing it printed that it hadn't when it was hanging was the detection of the Ethernet card (I think it was an Etherlink III). What's the "right" value for that BIOS setting? Dave Eckhardt From capt.nemo@gmail.com Fri Jul 30 14:23:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 04:55:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f51b71b2_e006_11d8_81f7_00304828b574_21289; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C011344D58 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4e406c8_e006_11d8_8540_00304828b574_21286; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EB3027580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14A97580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4a8efd4_e006_11d8_8299_00304828b574_21283; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09FB344D58 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f3ee0462_e006_11d8_9041_00304828b574_21280; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E880319EBB for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:55:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8991A19DC4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02646-02-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.243]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 695AC19AE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so41851cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.53 with SMTP id v53mr101224cwb; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <600308d6040727125556e4c907@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:55:26 +0200 From: Francisco Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <755cce86156cfbde0dee14b5470d0ba5@quintile.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <755cce86156cfbde0dee14b5470d0ba5@quintile.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nemo@lsub.org, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Don't know if it qualifies as a great project or not. But we're changing things in Plan 9 to make it adapt to changes in the environment. We'll drop a line in the near future about this. But it might still take a month or two. ` PS: I got this bounced and I'm retrying. Sorry if it leads to dups. On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:54:16 +0100, Steve Simon wrote: > > I think because this is Plan 9 fans list, not Linux mailing list? =E2= =98=BA >=20 > Aw, no fair. >=20 > I was disturbed by David and Russ leaving the labs, and I am > worried that the 9fans community is losing momentum - perhaps > there are many great projects under way but I don't hear of them. >=20 > It has been said before, the limited of support plan9 gets > in the world is partly due to its steep learning curve, and > partly the lack of "standard" applications. >=20 > Writing a web browser difficult, we all agree, however editing the > wiki to make it more up to date, accurate and helpfull is easy > (and yes I have been). >=20 > -Steve > From 9nut@9netics.com Fri Jul 30 14:23:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 05:23:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5554c06_e00a_11d8_8877_00304828b574_10146; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:23:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0B2345083 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:23:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4d1ddb2_e00a_11d8_82c2_00304828b574_10082; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:23:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2CAB77580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:23:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F60C7580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:23:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c45cb0b4_e00a_11d8_9158_00304828b574_10045; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:23:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422C6345083 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:23:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3692746_e00a_11d8_97db_00304828b574_9971; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:23:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C15A19E9E for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:23:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 766FA19CAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14922-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1C7019C67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e71c8b286868edef6a78d91933bb316@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:22:35 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <755cce86156cfbde0dee14b5470d0ba5@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I was disturbed by David and Russ leaving the labs, and I am > worried that the 9fans community is losing momentum - perhaps > there are many great projects under way but I don't hear of them. We're working on a project. I'll tell everyone about it when it is ready. From chunky@icculus.org Fri Jul 30 14:23:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 05:43:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9527a684_e00d_11d8_936c_00304828b574_31713; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:43:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B023442F6 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:43:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94d2117e_e00d_11d8_9582_00304828b574_31700; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:43:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7822B7580FC; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:43:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E18A7580FE for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:43:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 903793e6_e00d_11d8_8fe4_00304828b574_31242; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:43:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B52A3442C9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:34:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 69877fbe_e00c_11d8_8afb_00304828b574_21707; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:34:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB4FC19E9B for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:34:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F35ED19AB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05812-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icculus.org (icculus.org [69.55.227.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32D7219A21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14958 invoked by uid 1050); 27 Jul 2004 16:34:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:34:39 -0400 From: Chunky Kibbles To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20040727203439.GF26103@gamehenge.icculus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Kibbles'n'Bits X-disclaimer: Standard Disclaimer Applies. I don't care. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Real World Usage? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Heya, I'm wondering if anyone has any examples of where Plan9 is being used in the Real World to solve genuine problems [eg a print server, web server, whatever]. I'm especially curious about print servers as I work at a company where, among other things, we develop linux & unix drivers for very high end printers... Thanks, Gary (-; From capt.nemo@gmail.com Fri Jul 30 14:23:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 05:47:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2611832c_e00e_11d8_96f8_00304828b574_2438; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:47:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC063444C4 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:47:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 25dea182_e00e_11d8_9408_00304828b574_2435; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:47:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8CA027580FB; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:47:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FC47580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:47:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 259f40d2_e00e_11d8_889d_00304828b574_2431; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:47:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7213444C4 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:47:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 24ee0c7c_e00e_11d8_8488_00304828b574_2426; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:47:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8758419EC2 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:47:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D97619E63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26652-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.251]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B52EA19E3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so42594cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.45 with SMTP id v45mr102213cwb; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <600308d60407271346305cc5a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:46:54 +0200 From: Francisco Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Real World Usage? In-Reply-To: <20040727203439.GF26103@gamehenge.icculus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040727203439.GF26103@gamehenge.icculus.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nemo@lsub.org, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Print, web, mail, ... servers running here. Besides, we have X10 devices, mimio electronic whiteboards, touch screens, card readers, and other devices that are more easily used on Plan 9 than in other systems. And it's as real as our daily work, since we use Plan 9 for that. On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:34:39 -0400, Chunky Kibbles wrote: > Heya, > > I'm wondering if anyone has any examples of where Plan9 is being used > in the Real World to solve genuine problems [eg a print server, web > server, whatever]. > > I'm especially curious about print servers as I work at a company where, > among other things, we develop linux & unix drivers for very high end > printers... > > Thanks, > Gary (-; > From justin.herald@earthlink.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 05:52:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e987c5b4_e00e_11d8_82a5_00304828b574_6151; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:52:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B716344542 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:52:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e955ebe8_e00e_11d8_8f98_00304828b574_6148; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:52:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7DADD7580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:52:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323097580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:52:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9145624_e00e_11d8_9a32_00304828b574_6145; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:52:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45691344542 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:52:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8688ed4_e00e_11d8_9238_00304828b574_6142; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:52:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DC4319EBF for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:52:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4DFA719E63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06417-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E777019E3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-4.224.87.131.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.224.87.131]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BpYvv-0006GF-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:52:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Plan 9 Mailing List <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Justin Herald Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:52:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] this seems to be working well X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Switching to subscriber only has worked extremely well, it looks like, to cut out the spam. Does anyone here have a problem with it? From geoff@collyer.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 07:05:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b7797de_e019_11d8_90a7_00304828b574_4045; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:05:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DAA3443FE for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:05:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b43675c_e019_11d8_8517_00304828b574_4041; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:05:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C5CDE758106; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:05:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB7A758105 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:05:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17f72228_e019_11d8_9a60_00304828b574_3993; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:05:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D323444FF for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:02:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a50bf356_e018_11d8_80aa_00304828b574_434; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:02:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A2C619EF5 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:02:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7E0F19E80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27732-02-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3F3719E7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e7a4b97ca9ae93a5d94bc0039880c1d@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Stuck start of Installation Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:01:52 -0700 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: <27648.1090946260@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The right value for the "Plug and Play OS" BIOS setting is "No". BIOSes think that a Plug and Play OS is one that will go to great trouble to reroute PCI interrupts and change IRQs (i.e., expend lots of code doing what the BIOS should have done). From geoff@collyer.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 08:12:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 69916d1a_e022_11d8_9f95_00304828b574_24036; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:12:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D4C34431D for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:12:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68be23b0_e022_11d8_9137_00304828b574_24028; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:12:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 735617580FC; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:12:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0CB7580FA for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:12:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67b82998_e022_11d8_899e_00304828b574_24017; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:12:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6D13456A4 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:11:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 414909da_e022_11d8_9341_00304828b574_22834; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:11:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD58419EF6 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:11:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 891D019D5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23059-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5730519CD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <805fdfbe65e9a593bc06bfc23e0b225f@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] more plan 9 developers & users [was (no subject)] Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:10:40 -0700 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu One of the things I like about Plan 9 is that it requires almost no system administration, so adding more `common applications' for system administrators would seem to be just creating busy work. Barring problems with new hardware, after initial installation and set up of the main file server (which is never likely to resemble installation of any other system), here are the system administration activities needed: - (re)configure the mail system: edit /mail/lib/rewrite; - add a new machine: add one entry to /lib/ndb/local or your local equivalent, plug the machine into a switch, insert a boot floppy if it's a PC, turn it on; - add a new printer: add one line to /sys/lib/lp/devices and one entry to /lib/ndb/local or your local equivalent, plug it in, turn it on; - add a new user: type a newuser command on your file server console, have the user login and run /sys/lib/newuser. Perhaps I've forgotten something, but those are the main activities and they're all pretty easy. Setting up a console server (add a Perle serial-port multiplexor, run some serial cables, and edit /lib/ndb/consoledb) makes administration even easier. There's no sendmail, so administrators can toss that huge O'Reilly book. There's no BIND, so administrators can toss that huge O'Reilly book. Without those two, the main (l)unix security bugs are absent. Familiar applications aren't going to get people intrigued about Plan 9, they're going to lull them into thinking that Plan 9 is Just Another Unix. I much prefer 8c & 8l to gcc & gld and /n/dump to CVS. Providing gcc, gld, CVS and the like would make developers think `what's so special about this system?', rather than `gee, there are some different and interesting ideas here'. I don't think that the lack of interest by the world at large is due to a lack of comfortable, familiar applications. I think it's got more to do with a lack of understanding of why Plan 9 is (*really!*) interesting and a shortage of people who find that utterly compelling. People have given various excuses in the past (lack of gcc or X11, cost, licence terms) but if you're really enthused, none of that matters. Unix was a hit because it filled a niche, and what passes for Unix these days is still filling that niche, and for a lot of peple that's good enough. Those of us who can't imagine going back to living on what passes for Unix are a definite minority. So what should be done? I don't think we should measure success by counting noses. I'm not even sure that Plan 9 needs to be a ``success''. We're using it, we like it and perhaps that's enough. Keeping up with new hardware is a worthy goal. We're all stretched a bit thin; as far as I know, none of us are able to work on Plan 9 development full-time. People have various pieces of work in progress. Perhaps after the election, the economy will pick up and we'll all have more time to devote. `Plan 9: a ``Failure'' for 17 years and still ``failing''.' From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Fri Jul 30 14:23:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 08:39:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e3ab95c_e026_11d8_849b_00304828b574_17655; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:39:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43679344919 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:39:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e028258_e026_11d8_9442_00304828b574_17652; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:39:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 29C967580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:39:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BF87580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:39:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2dc2e742_e026_11d8_829e_00304828b574_17649; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:39:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EB2344919 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:39:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d161210_e026_11d8_9d11_00304828b574_17646; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:39:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5958319E87 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:39:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B267C19CD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08225-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D43AD19CA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2ddbf0778495ffee4b3da807bca7adc7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] more plan 9 developers & users [was (no subject)] Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:38:46 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <805fdfbe65e9a593bc06bfc23e0b225f@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wholeheartedly agree with Geoff's observations! Just let me add my 2=C2= =A2: > - add a new machine: add one entry to /lib/ndb/local or your local > equivalent, plug the machine into a switch, insert a boot floppy if > it's a PC, turn it on; my biggest success in showcasing Plan 9 so far has been with an 8-way proliant machine that i turned onto a node on our network with a single floppy. somehow everybody was under the impression that plan 9 is not a mature OS. they've all assumed that simply because it lacks X, mplayer, a browser and a bloated GUI it wouldn't have things like SMP. 'try doing that with globus' i said at the time; 'it's all nice, but nobo= dy uses plan9' was the response. somehow traditional "systems" stuff like working out how to support non-trivial hardware in an elegant manner has been put aside and eye candy has come into focus. i'm sure people would be much more interested in p9 if it could render OpenGL on 18 screens concurrently faster (and cheaper) than anyone else :) andrey ps: Geoff, do you mind if i put your post in the wiki? From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 08:46:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 252d4ad6_e027_11d8_9ba9_00304828b574_23179; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:46:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98123344967 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:46:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 24facfca_e027_11d8_9c3a_00304828b574_23176; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:46:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 81A6B7580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:46:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FD87580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:46:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 24bd8728_e027_11d8_85b1_00304828b574_23173; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:46:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34367344968 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:46:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23fa4f42_e027_11d8_8d4a_00304828b574_23126; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:46:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B0B0B19E82 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:46:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 172E519CD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09726-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49DA019C44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.109]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D7CD567168 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:45:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00ba01c47433$743ceb00$6dfa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2ddbf0778495ffee4b3da807bca7adc7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] more plan 9 developers & users [was (no subject)] Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:42:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I wholeheartedly agree with Geoff's observations! Just let me add my 2=C2= =A2: so do i. i had a 2nd Ed floppy that booted to 8 1/2, sam, ftpfs and telnet. it was a squeeze, but it did work. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Fri Jul 30 14:23:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 10:25:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fe3c7466_e034_11d8_9d51_00304828b574_11627; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:25:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F0A344558 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fd798fc8_e034_11d8_865c_00304828b574_11615; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D2A327580FD; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:25:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BE77580FA for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:25:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc50fd3e_e034_11d8_9cf5_00304828b574_11588; 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Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] more plan 9 developers & users [was (no subject)] Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:24:32 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <00ba01c47433$743ceb00$6dfa7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i had a 2nd Ed floppy that booted to 8 1/2, sam, ftpfs and telnet. > > it was a squeeze, but it did work. the first time i tried Plan 9 was with the 2nd ed 4-floppy download from their web page, sometime in 99.. i didn't know what to do with it, but it did look nice :) "press almost any key to reboot". andrey From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Fri Jul 30 14:23:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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28 Jul 2004 02:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 02:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 02:10:21 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i6S2AKF38930; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:10:20 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:10:05 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Why not generate a proto file for mkfs/mkext to copy the > minimal set of files for the auth server to your compact > flash, and then post the proto file on the wiki? Here is my proto file. I used this to copy necesary files into a single dos floppy. My auth server is two-floppy (one for 9load & kernel, the other for fs) based standalone server. -- 386 init bin rc cat echo ls ps date ip ipconfig ndb cs aux listen auth keyfs changeuser authsrv adm timezone local keys keys.who rc bin service service.auth authsrv.il566 authsrv.tcp567 lib rcmain lib namespace ndb local auth mnt keys netkeys From salomo3@cooper.edu Fri Jul 30 14:23:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 11:16:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17871352_e03c_11d8_8046_00304828b574_25532; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:16:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A16344365 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:16:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 171195be_e03c_11d8_9c31_00304828b574_25491; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:16:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8593E7580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:16:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B34758106 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:16:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 141f9432_e03c_11d8_9161_00304828b574_25191; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:16:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8E43444EF for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:15:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5d21b94_e03b_11d8_9061_00304828b574_24443; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:15:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 412FA19E80 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:15:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5BA819E77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15154-02-79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D4E319E80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id 9F51E3938; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id B2C893939 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user-2iveahr.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.42.59]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4976.165.247.42.59.1090979823.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] this seems to be working well From: "Joel Salomon" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Switching to subscriber only has worked extremely well, it looks like, > to cut out the spam. Does anyone here have a problem with it? > Well, nobody that is able to complain about it... ;-) --Joel From cross@math.psu.edu Fri Jul 30 14:23:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 13:08:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9038976_e04b_11d8_9464_00304828b574_24059; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:08:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1FF344E63 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:08:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8c8e5a0_e04b_11d8_8c3f_00304828b574_24053; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:08:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 305167580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:08:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7257580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:08:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8874834_e04b_11d8_9031_00304828b574_24050; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:08:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77AE344E63 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:08:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c7b9f7b2_e04b_11d8_8bf6_00304828b574_24046; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:08:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C93819E07 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:08:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A9C619DA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09160-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F067819D93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6S483MC010537 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i6S483P10762 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407280408.i6S483P10762@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:54:16 BST." <755cce86156cfbde0dee14b5470d0ba5@quintile.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:08:03 -0700 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu "Steve Simon" writes: > > [...] > > I was disturbed by David and Russ leaving the labs, and I am > worried that the 9fans community is losing momentum - perhaps > there are many great projects under way but I don't hear of them. It is (losing momentum). But then, it only had very little to begin with. The problem, as I see it (several months removed from the `scene' as I am right now; I was probably lobbing hand gernades over a berm somewhere when they left the labs), is that the driving force of recent years is gone: building a comfortable system for doing research, but one that's interesting in its own right. With the deflating of Murray Hill as a hub for activity - mainly development, but also pushing on the license issues and such - there's little direction in the system. Everyone who was influential in the early days was using Plan 9 for one of two reasons: they wanted a nice environment to do computer science research, or they were interested in operating systems research and Plan 9 was an interesting thing to study. But that's the kind of thing you can do when you work in a university or an industrial research lab that starts projects with the understanding that it might be 30 years before they show a positive ROA. Most of those people now has other things they have to do; they can't afford to continue hammering on Plan 9 full time anymore, and no one single organization seems to exist to fill the void. What's more, as they leave the `community' (btw- I really hate that term), or at least become more reclusive, they take with them the sense of taste and style that made Plan 9 unique. After all, the thing that makes the system unique is the aggressive development of ideas taken from earlier systems, with some new stuff thrown in. But the thing that makes it *good* is the quality of the system as a whole. Anybody can probably re-implement the ideas in Plan 9, but the trick is to do it well, and that is very much harder indeed. I doubt the appropriate environment to take up the torch of Plan 9 development exists anywhere in the world: a bunch of really smart people that also have good style sitting around (by agreement!) in the same physical room with the capital and support to work on whatever they want, and who want to work on something like this. Much as people want to tote the ``feel-good'' party line of open source and disjoint development efforts coordinated over the Internet, I really doubt that's the answer: the world has yet to see a *good* project emerge from such techniques. What's lacking is a suitable research center to pick up where Bell Labs left off and push the system further. Without systems research, you can't sustain a research system. There's no systems research going on, therefore the system is withering and dying. Without good people driving it, the system will take a nose dive because, frankly, most people aren't skilled enough to do it properly (look at Linux!). If Rob Pike is a master chef, then most of us are Subway sandwich artists, and an even greater portion of the population can't even make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Or maybe I'm just overly pessimistic. As Geoff points out, people are using it and satisfied with it, and maybe that's enough. > It has been said before, the limited of support plan9 gets > in the world is partly due to its steep learning curve, and > partly the lack of "standard" applications. Yes, but bear in mind that Plan 9 wasn't really designed with world domination in mind. It's a research system. That it evolved into a very comfortable environment for the people who built it to do *other* research on made it possible to pursue other goals on it is almost an accident of history. So the question is, who cares how much support it gets in the world? Should the goal of any system apriori be to attract lots of users? I don't think so. It should do something interesting in a clean, elegant way. But that's just my personal opinion. > Writing a web browser difficult, we all agree, however editing the > wiki to make it more up to date, accurate and helpfull is easy > (and yes I have been). That's a noble and worthy goal in its own right, and I won't argue with it. - Dan C. From justin.herald@earthlink.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 13:40:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37814dd0_e050_11d8_9ebe_00304828b574_17488; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70901345239 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3722ed62_e050_11d8_877a_00304828b574_17450; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 403867580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE9E7580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36b5df92_e050_11d8_8fc7_00304828b574_17412; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF5D345239 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 35bb6404_e050_11d8_84ac_00304828b574_17307; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD00A19EBF for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:40:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C95419E82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07510-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E1BD19DC6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-4.224.6.221.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.224.6.221]) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BpgEI-0000Fe-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:39:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407280408.i6S483P10762@augusta.math.psu.edu> References: <200407280408.i6S483P10762@augusta.math.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <271A0AC0-E050-11D8-A047-0003939D461C@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Justin Herald Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:39:46 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Jul 28, 2004, at 12:08 AM, Dan Cross wrote: > ... > Yes, but bear in mind that Plan 9 wasn't really designed with world > domination in mind. It's a research system. That it evolved into a > very comfortable environment for the people who built it to do *other* > research on made it possible to pursue other goals on it is almost an > accident of history. So the question is, who cares how much support it > gets in the world? Should the goal of any system apriori be to attract > lots of users? I don't think so. It should do something interesting > in a clean, elegant way. But that's just my personal opinion. A good point, for 'tis a research OS (I know some of my classmates and I have had fun with it), but then again, how did Unix come about? I guess bringing with us the knowledge we have gained from earlier OSes also brought with us similar ambitions to get a stronger user base. I want to see a stronger user base so that the development and propagation of this OS realizes its potential. From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 14:46:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 857ec0d6_e059_11d8_8153_00304828b574_11513; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:46:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F03C345294 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:46:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 854d77c4_e059_11d8_90d4_00304828b574_11510; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:46:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E61BC7580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:46:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1017580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:46:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 850ce664_e059_11d8_947c_00304828b574_11507; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:46:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA79345294 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:46:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 846076c2_e059_11d8_8f21_00304828b574_11504; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:46:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D5FC19ECE for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:46:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEF4119DA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28748-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 282B119D2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] more plan 9 developers & users [was (no subject)] From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:47:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2ddbf0778495ffee4b3da807bca7adc7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>'try doing that with globus' i said at the time; 'it's all nice, but nobody uses >>plan9' was the response. i'm not surprised. in many cases they don't know enough about mainstream distributed systems work, let alone the more obscure parts. also, to re-apply another quip ``if you think WSRF is the answer to your problem, you've got two problems''. From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 14:48:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d021cd9a_e059_11d8_8358_00304828b574_13090; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:48:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F9F3452A2 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:48:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cff00ca6_e059_11d8_81ec_00304828b574_13087; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:48:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 25A097580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:48:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33B57580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cfb0dd9c_e059_11d8_9e16_00304828b574_13084; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64BE3452A2 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:48:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cf056138_e059_11d8_9576_00304828b574_13081; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A73E19EC7 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:48:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0358E19DD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03610-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 81CC519DA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f5e0d203957887be717e5bd05bc6cdc@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] angst From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:49:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <271A0AC0-E050-11D8-A047-0003939D461C@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i don't think i use it for `research'; i use it for programming. 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X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu this message sent to comp.os.plan9 never made it to the list: http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.os.plan9&c2coff=1&selm=pan.2004.07.27.10.31.49.758185%40Utel.no i'm only posting this because it makes an interesting, unheard thus far, claim about the source code of the OS :) andrey From brucee@chunder.com Fri Jul 30 14:23:29 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 17:56:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0dac3cb2_e074_11d8_9a33_00304828b574_18363; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:56:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE80344153 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:56:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0d71b394_e074_11d8_98f9_00304828b574_18356; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:56:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E99AB7580F9; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:56:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E44175811B for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:56:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 081126f0_e074_11d8_9e8c_00304828b574_18311; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:56:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B563443D2 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2007488_e073_11d8_81d4_00304828b574_17289; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D607819FC0 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACC0C19CF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08359-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F410719CBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17866 invoked by uid 89); 28 Jul 2004 08:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 08:55:32 -0000 Message-ID: <41076B38.1010002@chunder.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:00:40 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] angst References: <5f5e0d203957887be717e5bd05bc6cdc@terzarima.net> In-Reply-To: <5f5e0d203957887be717e5bd05bc6cdc@terzarima.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i use it for both. Charles Forsyth wrote: > i don't think i use it for `research'; i use it for programming. 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 09:05:16 -0000 Message-ID: <41076D80.6070304@chunder.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:10:24 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] first casualty of the spam-forced restrictions? References: <99a1d346cebeabac66fe002cf5627561@plan9.ucalgary.ca> In-Reply-To: <99a1d346cebeabac66fe002cf5627561@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu that's a joke! the mmu code is very-very clean. that's why it worked first day on olive (correct me if i'm wrong jmk) on an early unknown quad xeon. things changed but only for the better. i remember it was initially running for over 3 months unattended - but of course you want your new kernel booted eventually. brucee * gcc makes me want to smoke crack -- beck andrey mirtchovski wrote: > this message sent to comp.os.plan9 never made it to the list: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.os.plan9&c2coff=1&selm=pan.2004.07.27.10.31.49.758185%40Utel.no > > i'm only posting this because it makes an interesting, unheard thus far, > claim about the source code of the OS :) > > andrey From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:31 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jul 28 18:26:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42c972e4_e078_11d8_87d3_00304828b574_9698; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:26:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FDE345305 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:26:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4266614a_e078_11d8_9d27_00304828b574_9693; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:26:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 16FB07580FA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:26:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771507580F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:26:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41f72154_e078_11d8_9a64_00304828b574_9690; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:26:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09702345305 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:26:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 40fb0e0a_e078_11d8_9b55_00304828b574_9687; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:26:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4294D19EC4 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:26:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 479EC19BA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10393-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BE1819B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7921dac11109eb57e4975c8c419d7716@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] first casualty of the spam-forced restrictions? From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:27:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <41076D80.6070304@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bjlqajexffosjupyzyrlpnjlds" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bjlqajexffosjupyzyrlpnjlds Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i suppose he'll have to subscribe to the list. one difference in the plan9 code from the xbsd and especially lunix approach is that the mmu code starts with the view that the system software thinks it would like and gets the hardware-specific code to implement (just) that with the actual hardware, rather than pushing a clutch of hardware-specific (sorry, x86 or vax or sun) properties and data structures throughout the rest of the kernel. it makes porting easier because there's less handbook to fuss over. i look (say) at pages and pages of complex data structures for arm, sparc, and powerpc mmu descriptions, often different in each revision, and i am grateful i need only locate the tiny subset that i really need to use. of course, as with compilers or anything else that needs a portability interface, if there's an enormous mismatch between the portable code and a particular platform, you need to decide whether and what to change, but you still retain the software-oriented structure. in some cases, it's worthwhile completely ignoring the `clever' mechanisms the hardware designer provided, and just programming what you need. --upas-bjlqajexffosjupyzyrlpnjlds Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Wed Jul 28 10:07:12 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7ACD419EDD for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:05:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ECE4E19CF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10019-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3728A19BBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2082 invoked by uid 89); 28 Jul 2004 09:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2004 09:05:16 -0000 Message-ID: <41076D80.6070304@chunder.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:10:24 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] first casualty of the spam-forced restrictions? References: <99a1d346cebeabac66fe002cf5627561@plan9.ucalgary.ca> In-Reply-To: <99a1d346cebeabac66fe002cf5627561@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu that's a joke! the mmu code is very-very clean. that's why it worked first day on olive (correct me if i'm wrong jmk) on an early unknown quad xeon. things changed but only for the better. i remember it was initially running for over 3 months unattended - but of course you want your new kernel booted eventually. brucee * gcc makes me want to smoke crack -- beck andrey mirtchovski wrote: > this message sent to comp.os.plan9 never made it to the list: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.os.plan9&c2coff=1&selm=pan.2004.07.27.10.31.49.758185%40Utel.no > > i'm only posting this because it makes an interesting, unheard thus far, > claim about the source code of the OS :) > > andrey --upas-bjlqajexffosjupyzyrlpnjlds-- From robpike@gmail.com Fri Jul 30 14:23:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 29 00:27:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a696342_e0aa_11d8_92d7_00304828b574_26848; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3837C3458A8 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a17d1f8_e0aa_11d8_9a80_00304828b574_26838; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0009F7580FB; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:27:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0F77580F9 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:27:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 99979e66_e0aa_11d8_868a_00304828b574_26796; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:27:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029CD3458A6 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:27:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98ac69dc_e0aa_11d8_8eca_00304828b574_26662; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:27:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0101F19D93 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:27:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17EEE19B7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11640-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94D3B19ADD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so159480rnl for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.74.24 with SMTP id w24mr304814rna; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f049040728082678e0b19c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:26:42 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] first casualty of the spam-forced restrictions? In-Reply-To: <7921dac11109eb57e4975c8c419d7716@terzarima.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7921dac11109eb57e4975c8c419d7716@terzarima.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i agree. i think the way the MMU is handled in a portable way is a model of how to do this stuff. the interface to the rest of the kernel is only a handful of routines with very specific properties. implement them and your system will run. we've had to adapt the interface a little over time, such as when page coloring came in for virtual caches, but even there, the very narrow interface made that easier. i remember SGI had a 40-page memo on how they implemented VM on the power series machines. our MMU trap code was somewhere close to 40 lines of C. we weren't quite as general (there was no way in plan 9 to shrink an address space), but the lack has never been an issue in practice. plus, our interface has been ported all over the place; i suspect IRIX was a little trickier to move to the challenge and then to the x86 machines. -rob From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 29 00:43:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6e6e770_e0ac_11d8_8e8d_00304828b574_9442; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:43:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1E03447FE for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:43:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6056f16_e0ac_11d8_8b5b_00304828b574_9393; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:43:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3F3117580FD; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:43:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF8D7580F9 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:43:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5669b34_e0ac_11d8_8d62_00304828b574_9351; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:43:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECF83448BD for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:37:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 16d0a0d4_e0ac_11d8_8299_00304828b574_3261; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:37:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0979C19F19 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6F7419C3C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28542-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 493D319C35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.89.212]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E468B37933 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:37:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01c474b8$73984520$d4597d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7921dac11109eb57e4975c8c419d7716@terzarima.net> <7359f049040728082678e0b19c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] first casualty of the spam-forced restrictions? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:35:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i agree. i think the way the MMU is handled in a portable way > is a model of how to do this stuff. absolutely. 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Now, before I give up on this one, I'm looking at what could be the reason of this hang up and I'm still trying (hoping) to find a way to have it boot. I also have try some more solutions like setting up my router as a DHCP server, having no router at all but a direct connection to the DSL modem, playing with the PXE agent menu...but still no luck. I do not know what Plan9 is waiting for at this stage...! If someone could point me to some documents on how the boot procedure goes with Plan9 that will be nice before I go shopping for a new unit. Bonne journ=E9e. Philippe From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 30 14:23:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 29 10:08:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d655d6f0_e0fb_11d8_9975_00304828b574_8795; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:08:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43723344733 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:08:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d59dddd4_e0fb_11d8_978d_00304828b574_8787; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:08:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F3A067580F9; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:08:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B041C7580FC for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:08:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d4b119c2_e0fb_11d8_9915_00304828b574_8775; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:08:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375313449A5 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:03:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a669140_e0fb_11d8_969a_00304828b574_3451; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:03:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26B8E19EEA for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:03:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6271319C86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20482-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA1BB19C75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <863a101359b697e268890b36b4f45ae3@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Real World Usage? From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:04:59 +0900 In-Reply-To: <20040727203439.GF26103@gamehenge.icculus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/student1_Plan9.gif http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/student2_Plan9.gif http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/student3_Plan9.gif =E2=98=BA Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 30 14:23:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 29 11:10:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7537f430_e104_11d8_8d0f_00304828b574_30856; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:10:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702F3345AE7 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:10:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74dfc2b0_e104_11d8_9900_00304828b574_30847; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:10:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 44CAB7580FA; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:10:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D709D7580F9 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:10:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7478aa4e_e104_11d8_9230_00304828b574_30839; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:10:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5054345AE7 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:10:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 73bd8656_e104_11d8_98dc_00304828b574_30825; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:10:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B8E119D16 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:10:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E920919BCF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03934-01-72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EDA619AF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358cdd55a72b6d6a25516b87cbf8ce34@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Real World Usage? From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:11:30 +0900 In-Reply-To: <863a101359b697e268890b36b4f45ae3@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/student3_Plan9.gif Please replace this to http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/marsv_operation.gif I forgot what the images I put there, sorry. Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 30 14:23:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 29 12:46:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d9d704b4_e111_11d8_8903_00304828b574_17504; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:46:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD19E3456E7 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:46:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d99256a2_e111_11d8_87a5_00304828b574_17499; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:46:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B9C757580FA; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:46:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A307580F9 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:46:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d959396c_e111_11d8_9f85_00304828b574_17495; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:46:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B2A3456E7 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:46:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d8ad9738_e111_11d8_8e63_00304828b574_17492; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:46:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A53719D95 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:46:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0405419CE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10668-02-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C15019CC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02a427717f1461ddc02ff9b746bbb2d3@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Real World Usage? From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:47:12 +0900 In-Reply-To: <358cdd55a72b6d6a25516b87cbf8ce34@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I forgot one more thing to notify. > http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/marsv_operation.gif If you want to compile marsv, which should be found around that web page, you may need Release 3 Plan 9. This is because the control(2) library was changed after we wrote marsv. Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 30 14:23:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jul 29 13:05:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80ba4438_e114_11d8_8c1e_00304828b574_5856; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:05:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10C63449E4 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:05:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80846674_e114_11d8_812d_00304828b574_5853; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:05:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5D8DA7580FC; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:05:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3694758106 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:05:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a8f11c4_e114_11d8_830d_00304828b574_5353; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:05:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D60344ADF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:02:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 206882ca_e114_11d8_8429_00304828b574_2469; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:02:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18EBF19F1F for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:02:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4085419CF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17330-01-75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A79819A88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7cb17663983ce206cd5b7c584cfe3dc1@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Real World Usage? From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:03:38 +0900 In-Reply-To: <02a427717f1461ddc02ff9b746bbb2d3@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu one more thing to notify, sorry. >> http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/marsv_operation.gif They are running Fossil+Venti file server + CF based AUTH server environment. Kenji From mattjpc@gmail.com Fri Jul 30 14:23:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 30 00:19:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfbc938a_e172_11d8_98b6_00304828b574_12412; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:19:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C54344CB6 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:19:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf83030e_e172_11d8_93b1_00304828b574_12409; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:19:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2C6C37580FA; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:19:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84AD7580F9 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:19:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf39347c_e172_11d8_8124_00304828b574_12403; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:19:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CD6344CB6 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:19:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be8c41ae_e172_11d8_854a_00304828b574_12400; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:19:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 82DAA19F03 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:19:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBC0A19AE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00323-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7C2DD19C36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO gmail.com) (mandjpc@sbcglobal.net@67.121.233.31 with plain) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 15:19:21 -0000 Message-ID: <41091572.8090301@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:19:14 -0700 From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20040624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Stuck start of Installation References: <7e7a4b97ca9ae93a5d94bc0039880c1d@collyer.net> <4107CCC8.9060906@myrealbox.com> In-Reply-To: <4107CCC8.9060906@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Philippe on f7400 wrote: > I finally took my laptop apart, had a close look > at what I could do to disable the Ethernet card, > decided there was nothing I could do and put it > back together. >=20 > Now, before I give up on this one, I'm looking > at what could be the reason of this hang up > and I'm still trying (hoping) to find a way > to have it boot. >=20 > I also have try some more solutions like setting > up my router as a DHCP server, having no router > at all but a direct connection to the DSL modem, > playing with the PXE agent menu...but still no luck. >=20 > I do not know what Plan9 is waiting for at this stage...! >=20 > If someone could point me to some documents on > how the boot procedure goes with Plan9 that will > be nice before I go shopping for a new unit. >=20 > Bonne journ=E9e. > Philippe >=20 >=20 >=20 this may relate ... installing on my toshiba satellite was a problem from he^H^H the start.=20 the install would hang in /rc/bin/termrc trying to bind a nonexistent=20 parallel port. i patched the cd iso image directly to fix the termrc=20 script to ignore the binding to #L by blotting out with spaces and=20 re-burning the image to a CD-RW. the system booted and i was able to=20 install. [then i got a copy of the nvidia display driver from LLNL and had to=20 hack it to make the mouse pointer display and track correctly. on later=20 versions the display driver for the chipset (GeForce4 440 Go) doesn't=20 appear to work at all anymore] From chunky@icculus.org Fri Jul 30 14:23:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 30 03:31:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7540a6a0_e18d_11d8_9523_00304828b574_15476; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:31:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA473458D8 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:31:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 746f2c74_e18d_11d8_8977_00304828b574_15388; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:31:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4F3C77580FA; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:31:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B961B7580FB for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:31:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 73d370e0_e18d_11d8_900d_00304828b574_15341; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:31:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9B03458D9 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:31:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 713febec_e18d_11d8_90db_00304828b574_15042; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:31:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4C9619EDF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:30:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 761DF19DB2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08297-01-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icculus.org (icculus.org [69.55.227.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEA4319DB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11770 invoked by uid 1050); 29 Jul 2004 14:30:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:30:44 -0400 From: Chunky Kibbles To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Stuck start of Installation Message-ID: <20040729183044.GA11032@gamehenge.icculus.org> References: <7e7a4b97ca9ae93a5d94bc0039880c1d@collyer.net> <4107CCC8.9060906@myrealbox.com> <41091572.8090301@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41091572.8090301@gmail.com> Organization: Kibbles'n'Bits X-disclaimer: Standard Disclaimer Applies. I don't care. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 08:19:14AM -0700, Matt Pidd-Cheshire wrote: > > [then i got a copy of the nvidia display driver from LLNL and had to > hack it to make the mouse pointer display and track correctly. on later > versions the display driver for the chipset (GeForce4 440 Go) doesn't > appear to work at all anymore] Hnuh? What's this about? nVidia drivers? Google searches aren't turning up much. What's LLNL? Gary (-; From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Fri Jul 30 14:23:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 30 03:36:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2aecc434_e18e_11d8_8dd3_00304828b574_19700; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:36:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390D13458ED for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:36:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a7bbb40_e18e_11d8_8075_00304828b574_19663; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:36:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id ED2877580FA; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:36:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D0A7580F9 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:36:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29f825aa_e18e_11d8_9d6f_00304828b574_19593; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:36:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066243458ED for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:36:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 290a70e4_e18e_11d8_8dac_00304828b574_19521; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:36:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1582519EA2 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:36:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9ECE19DAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20066-01-90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C3D719AD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <101215649c16c09ac771bcc8f8fd6f63@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Stuck start of Installation Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:35:38 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <20040729183044.GA11032@gamehenge.icculus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Hnuh? What's this about? nVidia drivers? Google searches aren't > turning up much. What's LLNL? he probably means LANL: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/lanlp9/ there's an old nvidia driver patch there that has long since been incorporated into Plan 9. andrey From chunky@icculus.org Fri Jul 30 14:23:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 30 04:09:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc1cf02c_e192_11d8_9efa_00304828b574_18452; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:09:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00B834415E for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:09:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dbe09780_e192_11d8_887e_00304828b574_18448; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:09:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AA4F47580F9; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:09:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1E0758111 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:09:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d2400332_e192_11d8_9dde_00304828b574_18307; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:09:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0F0344286 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:02:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cf2ba59e_e191_11d8_82a6_00304828b574_11163; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:02:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AE9719F09 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:02:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10A7F19DAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13270-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icculus.org (icculus.org [69.55.227.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85AA319B69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16212 invoked by uid 1050); 29 Jul 2004 15:02:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:02:06 -0400 From: Chunky Kibbles To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Stuck start of Installation Message-ID: <20040729190206.GB11032@gamehenge.icculus.org> References: <20040729183044.GA11032@gamehenge.icculus.org> <101215649c16c09ac771bcc8f8fd6f63@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <101215649c16c09ac771bcc8f8fd6f63@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Kibbles'n'Bits X-disclaimer: Standard Disclaimer Applies. I don't care. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 12:35:38PM -0600, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > > Hnuh? What's this about? nVidia drivers? Google searches aren't > > turning up much. What's LLNL? > > he probably means LANL: > > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/lanlp9/ > > there's an old nvidia driver patch there that has long since been > incorporated into Plan 9. Ah. So my GFII will be fine, when I eventually get round to plugging the machien back in? Gary (-; From mattjpc@gmail.com Fri Jul 30 14:23:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 30 04:43:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 82511992_e197_11d8_981c_00304828b574_14052; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:43:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740DF34556D for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:43:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81ff1b88_e197_11d8_9f76_00304828b574_14018; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:43:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 546CD7580FA; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:43:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3B37580F9 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:43:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 816dc3cc_e197_11d8_8a5d_00304828b574_13947; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:43:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3632534556D for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:43:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8084c992_e197_11d8_9896_00304828b574_13857; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:43:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41B3C19B94 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:43:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE63019C0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03857-01-25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 395AA19B94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO gmail.com) (mandjpc@sbcglobal.net@67.121.233.31 with plain) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 19:42:43 -0000 Message-ID: <41095331.9090303@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:42:41 -0700 From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20040624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Stuck start of Installation References: <20040729183044.GA11032@gamehenge.icculus.org> <20040729190206.GB11032@gamehenge.icculus.org> In-Reply-To: <20040729190206.GB11032@gamehenge.icculus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Chunky Kibbles wrote: > On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 12:35:38PM -0600, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > >>>Hnuh? What's this about? nVidia drivers? Google searches aren't >>>turning up much. What's LLNL? >> >>he probably means LANL: >> >> http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/lanlp9/ >> >>there's an old nvidia driver patch there that has long since been >>incorporated into Plan 9. andrey is correct (my mistake). but if these changes have been incorporated they have since been broken i think; i use 1600x1200x16 @ dell2000fp to make my laptop display work. installing with the latest distrib that offers the fossil option causes the display to switch into graphics mode but appears to hang. (it didn't respond to drawterm requests from the network anyway) > > > Ah. So my GFII will be fine, when I eventually get round to plugging > the machien back in? > > Gary (-; maybe =) From newsham@lava.net Fri Jul 30 14:23:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 30 05:52:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b832358_e1a1_11d8_8dbf_00304828b574_8684; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:52:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04722344D2D for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:52:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b5026f6_e1a1_11d8_9822_00304828b574_8681; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:52:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DA3C47580FA; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:52:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F437580F9 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:52:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b14905a_e1a1_11d8_8e0f_00304828b574_8678; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:52:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D881344D2C for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:52:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a425ad6_e1a1_11d8_9b93_00304828b574_8596; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:52:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC8C019F03 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:52:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA05A19D0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07454-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 532D819C15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91705134AC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:51:45 -1000 (HST) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:51:45 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] usb keychain boot? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Is it possible to run the plan9 boot loader from a USB keychain (not to boot the entire system from the keychain, just to get the tftp boot to run)? Tim N. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu similar question -- how does the 9pxeload loader work if being served from a plan9 server? If I setup the tftp server to serve "9pxeload", how does it then serve up a kernel when 9pxeload runs? Tim N. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jul 30 14:23:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 30 14:11:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id faec34a0_e1e6_11d8_8cc9_00304828b574_22419; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:11:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF5134515E for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:11:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id faa467ec_e1e6_11d8_9589_00304828b574_22416; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:11:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 011487580FA; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:11:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2567580F9 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:11:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa634064_e1e6_11d8_9d85_00304828b574_22413; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:11:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AD534515F for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:11:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f99fba68_e1e6_11d8_9012_00304828b574_22410; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:11:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CA2119C2C for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:11:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08E5019C2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13284-02-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E180E19AD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] usb keychain boot? From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:11:23 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > similar question -- how does the 9pxeload loader work if being > served from a plan9 server? If I setup the tftp server to > serve "9pxeload", how does it then serve up a kernel when > 9pxeload runs? Sure, it boot from PXE setted by existence of /lib/tftpd/9pxeload, and the client machine has a line of bootf=9pxeload in her part /lib/ndb/local file. However, I don't know how to set up plan9.ini in this case though. Kenji From steve@quintile.net Sun Aug 1 08:49:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 30 17:59:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7b72a8a_e206_11d8_915d_00304828b574_27232; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:59:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3DB34523F for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:59:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b74ea640_e206_11d8_9a56_00304828b574_27221; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:59:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EB52E7580FA; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:59:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B1D7580F9 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:59:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b6d31674_e206_11d8_8f01_00304828b574_27156; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:59:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B8B34523F for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:59:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b5d594f4_e206_11d8_9f81_00304828b574_27045; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:59:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E41719E10 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:59:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C55319DB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11364-02-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FE6B19DB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b35cc69520a571a8d6df7784161c2f1@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:58:22 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] venti woes X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have been foolish and broken my machine :-( This is a standalone terminal which used to have a ide kfs and I am migrating to SCSI and fossil+venti. I installed the scsi disk from the bootable CD and copied my user area accross trivially. Then I formated the venti arenas and index, initialised the index, and set venti=#S/sd00/venti in plan9.ini - and rebooted All went fine for a while but after an hour or so the disk started rattling and the machine hung (Rio completely hung, ^T^T^P still worked). I was very surprised as the snaptime specified the snap -a to happen at 3am (see below). I rebooted and the disk rattled again but this time rio was responsive so I ignored the disk and worked on. eventually the disk stopped. Somtime later I noticed my mailbox has become a zero length file. I rebooted again and now my profile has become a zero length file. My theroy is that fossil is sending the data to venti but seems unable to fetch archived files from it. I kept the IDE disk "just in case" so its not so aufull, and I could reinstall, but I I would probably do the same things and get the same result. anyone any ideas? -Steve larch% venti/conf /dev/sd00/fossil index main isect /dev/sd00/index arenas /dev/sd00/arenas larch% fossil/conf /dev/sd00/fossil fsys main config /dev/sd00/fossil fsys main open -c 3000 fsys main snaptime -a 0300 -s 15 -t 1440 listen tcp!*!564 From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sun Aug 1 08:49:51 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jul 30 20:09:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id edb1555e_e218_11d8_85b3_00304828b574_13118; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:09:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC36A344699 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:09:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed7e0e7e_e218_11d8_97de_00304828b574_13113; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:09:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 246E57580FE; 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Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18524-02-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87D7219BCC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti woes Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:00:34 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <2b35cc69520a571a8d6df7784161c2f1@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i've had this happen with large snapshots to venti -- the system will hang completely (can't open a new window in rio) but apps already started, such as stats, will continue working. it goes away after the 'snap -a' and the system becomes usable again... maybe you need to leave the machine be for the first big snapshot. why does it happen out of sync (not at 3am) is an interesting question though :) andrey From jonfeero_13@hotmail.com Sun Aug 1 08:49:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:20:16 -0700 Received: from 24.222.106.81 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:20:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.222.106.81] X-Originating-Email: [jonfeero_13@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jonfeero_13@hotmail.com From: "Jon F" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:20:15 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2004 16:20:16.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[1933F300:01C47651] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Thats Funny... X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu

Thats funny, the Plan 9 Supported Hardware page say's it supports a " Neomagic MagicGraph "

and I just so happened to have one ( Neomagic MagicGraph 128 ZV/TV+ ) and get an error when i try to run 9 after an Install ( Which was done on another computer ). Looks like that one can be stricked off the list....

http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/supported_pc_hardware/index.html


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Join now and get the first two months FREE* From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sun Aug 1 08:49:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 31 01:30:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3634572_e245_11d8_97fc_00304828b574_32322; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:30:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9FB3441F5 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:30:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d26ca99c_e245_11d8_8bf3_00304828b574_32314; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:30:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7C6687580FB; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:30:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E887580FA for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:30:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d2102f0a_e245_11d8_8758_00304828b574_32310; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:30:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E89344B14 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:28:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8672d4da_e245_11d8_9124_00304828b574_30286; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:28:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A32019ECF for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:28:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E732919C08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18710-02-87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E6C319B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Thats Funny... Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:28:21 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu don't hurry striking it off the list. what error did you get? you may have to add this particular card to /lib/vgadb. From rog@vitanuova.com Sun Aug 1 08:49:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 31 02:15:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ff50bc22_e24b_11d8_963d_00304828b574_6890; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:15:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655F9344B54 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:15:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fedfcdc8_e24b_11d8_8663_00304828b574_6853; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:15:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D5A07580FA; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:15:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46BE7580F9 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:15:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fe687de0_e24b_11d8_8525_00304828b574_6810; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:15:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306FA344B54 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:15:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fd5e10c2_e24b_11d8_83e2_00304828b574_6701; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:15:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD9F619F53 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:14:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 621A219E40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00650-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2969219DE3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:14:56 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] drawterm linux X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i just tried to use the linux version of drawterm (as downloaded from andrey mirtchov's site ) and all seemed to work ok (i.e. the login worked) until the session died immediqtely after saying "postnote 2!". anyone know of a fix for this? (i'd try to investigate myself but i'm on someone else's computer, and it's got an azerty keyboard which is most frustrating!) cheers, rog. From palazzol@comcast.net Sun Aug 1 08:49:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 31 02:20:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be5031e8_e24c_11d8_997c_00304828b574_12121; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:20:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1E6344596 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:20:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be1cef7c_e24c_11d8_92bc_00304828b574_12118; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:20:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1C8377580FA; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:20:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53C37580F9 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:20:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bdda8128_e24c_11d8_85bf_00304828b574_12115; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:20:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC69B344596 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:20:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bd279b12_e24c_11d8_9bdc_00304828b574_12112; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:20:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6862019F0F for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:20:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2AE319E46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16529-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from westland.gr-lakes.com (unknown [209.114.228.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E213119DE3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Frank (64.1.120.130.ptr.us.xo.net [64.1.120.130]) by westland.gr-lakes.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6UH8sB06607 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:08:54 -0400 From: "Frank Palazzolo" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] drawterm linux Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:22:02 -0400 Organization: Knarfian Labs Message-ID: <001201c47659$bb7a7c30$1600100a@Frank> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: X-MailScanner-From: palazzol@comcast.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu FWIW - I had the same problem a month ago, when working from over the internet from Florida to Michigan. Auth would succeed, Rio would start to run, and then it would die right around the time the rc window would come up. On my local LAN I haven't seen this. -Frank From boyd@insultant.net Sun Aug 1 08:49:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 31 02:58:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1eff0640_e252_11d8_85ed_00304828b574_10923; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:58:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90683444BD for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:58:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d93f0e0_e252_11d8_9f41_00304828b574_10913; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:58:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3A1AD7580FF; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:58:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A6F7580FE for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:58:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d045214_e252_11d8_97c0_00304828b574_10908; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:58:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50ABA3444BD for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:54:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 88b55b76_e251_11d8_84cf_00304828b574_6833; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:54:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C06C519E95 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:54:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9E6919B44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00650-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 498A219B71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.89.212]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F10B6711D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:54:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <021901c4765d$ec47c8a0$d4597d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm linux Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:51:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > saying "postnote 2!". anyone know of a fix for this? i used to see this and i think it's related to some sort of routing problem, but then i swapped ISPs and i don't see them anymore. they would occur after the session had been established quite a while (i use the windows drawterm). given, in your case it dies, so quickly maybe you have some blocked port by your ISP. i looked at exportfs.c and "postnote 2!" happens when there's an error during exshutdown(). this would be indicative of a protocol/routing problem. > azerty keyboard which is most frustrating!) you get used to it, but it's dreadful to code on; all the special characters are in the _worst_ places. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sun Aug 1 08:49:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 31 04:37:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e14209f2_e25f_11d8_830b_00304828b574_32012; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:37:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BF13446B5 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:37:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e10cc53a_e25f_11d8_8b76_00304828b574_32009; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:37:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 29F9E7580FA; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:37:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCF57580F9 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:37:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0b512f4_e25f_11d8_90d5_00304828b574_32006; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:37:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E3A3446B5 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:37:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dfe5ead8_e25f_11d8_9f5b_00304828b574_32003; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:37:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D5B919F01 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:37:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34C4119B66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09931-02-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27D1A19AA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <721d0c80d22bbd0777d1d6112b4eea8d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:36:41 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan 9's SLOC X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu someone ran 'sloccount' on CPAN to find out that it has somewhere around 15 million lines of code (the story is on slashdot). i decided to give plan9's code line count a try, but since his script won't run under ape/psh i moved /sys/src to another system and counted them there. the script tries to be clever about finding which files are which, so it's sometimes confused (is there any php code, for example?). the results are completely irrelevant and meaningless, but it's friday so there you have it anyway... especially "useful" to know is that Plan 9 would take 376 person-years and cost $50 million to develop. NB: rc scripts are reported under 'sh' vanilla /sys/src: SLOC Directory SLOC-by-Language (Sorted) 929916 cmd ansic=907924,yacc=12832,asm=3013,cpp=2754,sh=2549, lisp=405,perl=275,awk=156,php=8 148378 9 ansic=144046,asm=3680,sh=652 74652 ape ansic=70485,asm=3219,yacc=614,sh=334 34468 fs ansic=33960,asm=508 27433 boot ansic=25238,asm=2195 17992 libc ansic=15818,asm=2166,sh=8 13405 libmach ansic=13405 11417 libsec ansic=10781,asm=636 6774 libsunrpc ansic=6774 5659 libdraw ansic=5659 5516 libcontrol ansic=5516 5474 libhtml ansic=5474 4918 libmemdraw ansic=4918 2781 libmp ansic=2367,asm=414 2673 libscribble ansic=2673 2670 libstdio ansic=2670 2658 libventi ansic=2658 2212 libhttpd ansic=2212 2204 libthread ansic=2118,asm=86 2008 libflate ansic=2008 1843 lib9p ansic=1843 1351 libndb ansic=1351 1216 libauth ansic=1216 1144 libregexp ansic=1144 1106 libframe ansic=1106 981 libdisk ansic=981 842 libmemlayer ansic=842 792 libip ansic=792 713 libgeometry ansic=713 691 libbio ansic=691 659 libauthsrv ansic=659 487 libplumb ansic=487 479 libString ansic=479 129 liblex ansic=129 121 libcomplete ansic=121 97 libbin ansic=97 0 top_dir (none) Totals grouped by language (dominant language first): ansic: 1279355 (97.23%) asm: 15917 (1.21%) yacc: 13446 (1.02%) sh: 3543 (0.27%) cpp: 2754 (0.21%) lisp: 405 (0.03%) perl: 275 (0.02%) awk: 156 (0.01%) php: 8 (0.00%) Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 1,315,859 Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 376.88 (4,522.53) (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05)) Schedule Estimate, Years (Months) = 5.10 (61.23) (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38)) Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule) = 73.86 Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 50,910,979 (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). SLOCCount is Open Source Software/Free Software, licensed under the FSF GPL. Please credit this data as "generated using David A. Wheeler's 'SLOCCount'." /sys/src containing cvs, tex, gcc, X11 and perl: SLOC Directory SLOC-by-Language (Sorted) 2733563 gnu ansic=2167516,asm=185900,cpp=167827,exp=59878,sh=51981, java=46232,yacc=30668,lisp=7055,perl=6292,fortran=4840,objc=2203,lex=1508,sed=1047,awk=313,pascal=200,csh=103 1637857 cmd ansic=1300865,perl=215503,sh=52099,pascal=33199, yacc=16203,cpp=9139,lisp=6397,asm=3864,lex=261,awk=191,sed=58,csh=47,java=23,php=8 939172 X11 ansic=882620,cpp=39378,asm=9676,sh=3402,yacc=2030, objc=1291,awk=393,lex=299,sed=53,csh=30 148378 9 ansic=144046,asm=3680,sh=652 74652 ape ansic=70485,asm=3219,yacc=614,sh=334 34468 fs ansic=33960,asm=508 27433 boot ansic=25238,asm=2195 17992 libc ansic=15818,asm=2166,sh=8 13405 libmach ansic=13405 11417 libsec ansic=10781,asm=636 6774 libsunrpc ansic=6774 5659 libdraw ansic=5659 5516 libcontrol ansic=5516 5474 libhtml ansic=5474 4918 libmemdraw ansic=4918 2781 libmp ansic=2367,asm=414 2673 libscribble ansic=2673 2658 libventi ansic=2658 2645 libstdio ansic=2645 2212 libhttpd ansic=2212 2204 libthread ansic=2118,asm=86 2008 libflate ansic=2008 1843 lib9p ansic=1843 1351 libndb ansic=1351 1216 libauth ansic=1216 1144 libregexp ansic=1144 1106 libframe ansic=1106 981 libdisk ansic=981 842 libmemlayer ansic=842 792 libip ansic=792 713 libgeometry ansic=713 691 libbio ansic=691 659 libauthsrv ansic=659 487 libplumb ansic=487 479 libString ansic=479 129 liblex ansic=129 121 libcomplete ansic=121 97 libbin ansic=97 0 top_dir (none) Totals grouped by language (dominant language first): ansic: 4722407 (82.90%) perl: 221795 (3.89%) cpp: 216344 (3.80%) asm: 212344 (3.73%) sh: 108476 (1.90%) exp: 59878 (1.05%) yacc: 49515 (0.87%) java: 46255 (0.81%) pascal: 33399 (0.59%) lisp: 13452 (0.24%) fortran: 4840 (0.08%) objc: 3494 (0.06%) lex: 2068 (0.04%) sed: 1158 (0.02%) awk: 897 (0.02%) csh: 180 (0.00%) php: 8 (0.00%) Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 5,696,510 Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 1,755.57 (21,066.90) (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05)) Schedule Estimate, Years (Months) = 9.16 (109.88) (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38)) Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule) = 191.73 Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 237,154,260 (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). SLOCCount is Open Source Software/Free Software, licensed under the FSF GPL. Please credit this data as "generated using David A. Wheeler's 'SLOCCount'." for those interested in statistics for the Linux kernel, you can find them at: http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/kernel_sloc From mattjpc@gmail.com Sun Aug 1 08:49:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 31 05:14:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1fd69228_e265_11d8_97a8_00304828b574_29226; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:14:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6DF3454F5 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:14:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1fa378ca_e265_11d8_8bdb_00304828b574_29223; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:14:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A66687580FA; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:14:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB167580F9 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:14:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f664018_e265_11d8_9313_00304828b574_29220; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:14:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF283454F5 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:14:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1eb91dd4_e265_11d8_80e7_00304828b574_29217; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:14:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E1F519E5A for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:14:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4407919D52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21225-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.80]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BB5E719CBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO gmail.com) (mandjpc@sbcglobal.net@67.121.233.31 with plain) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2004 20:14:21 -0000 Message-ID: <410AAC1A.10201@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:14:18 -0700 From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20040624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9's SLOC References: <721d0c80d22bbd0777d1d6112b4eea8d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> In-Reply-To: <721d0c80d22bbd0777d1d6112b4eea8d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu andrey mirtchovski wrote: > Plan 9 would take 376 person-years and cost $50 million to develop. 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X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu pacman: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/pacman/ From geoff@collyer.net Sun Aug 1 08:49:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 31 08:46:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bc69e456_e282_11d8_88cb_00304828b574_14633; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:46:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FBC344923 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:46:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bc2f92ba_e282_11d8_90f5_00304828b574_14629; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:46:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B9C3D7580FA; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:46:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785177580F9 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:46:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bbfba96e_e282_11d8_941f_00304828b574_14626; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:46:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AED734491E for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:46:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb3249f2_e282_11d8_94b2_00304828b574_14623; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:46:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C5BF19E27 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:46:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E01D19C10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26974-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AD4A19BF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9's SLOC Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:46:22 -0700 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: <721d0c80d22bbd0777d1d6112b4eea8d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu COCOMO has been deemed obsolete by its author; I wonder how the numbers look under the COCOMO II model. From knapjack@gmail.com Sun Aug 1 08:49:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jul 31 12:18:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5b546d6c_e2a0_11d8_8c71_00304828b574_30902; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:18:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EE6344683 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:18:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5a900ecc_e2a0_11d8_82e8_00304828b574_30894; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:18:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A7DEB7580FA; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:18:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617397580FE for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:18:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5a3bf878_e2a0_11d8_81fe_00304828b574_30890; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:18:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DBB3449A6 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:17:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 369e0cb2_e2a0_11d8_9078_00304828b574_29941; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:17:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B54C19E4F for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:17:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D14C919D20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17210-02-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56C6B19D11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so77224rnk for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.3.58 with SMTP id 58mr79938rnc; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c06204073020173b906244@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:17:18 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9's SLOC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:46:22 -0700, geoff@collyer.net wrote: > COCOMO has been deemed obsolete by its author; I wonder how the > numbers look under the COCOMO II model. It would be interesting to get a character count as well. Plan 9's lines of source/shell have always seemed short compared to some other systems. -Jack