From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:06:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:06:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FAD1B5F5 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:05:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E389B63C76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27999-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF22A63C73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:04:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:06:04 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Ok, I'm going to use drawterm with WinXT on my new IBM T42. My notebook is using wireless network (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG), and I got success to login through this device to an our CPU server. Then, I ran acme, yes, no problem... However, I have no middle button control. How I can do this. I have two kinds of point device, (1) IBM pointing rod with two buttons+scroll buttons and (2) two button mouse pad. I'm using the first device. Thanks in advance. By the way, I suppose this wireless device is not supported yet. Am I correct? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:11:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:11:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFBD5B918 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:11:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49B73B915 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28988-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5BE17B912 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39322 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 02:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 02:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 02:10:47 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA12Akq171954; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:10:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:10:40 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon Nov 1 11:05:37 JST 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > Ok, I'm going to use drawterm with WinXT on my new IBM T42. : > However, I have no middle button > control. How I can do this. SHIFT + right button is your friend. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:14:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:14:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 164BC639FD for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:14:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F28FB915 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26863-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91DA0B912 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:13:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6de018f371d113fcfea50540c7fcfee1@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:14:49 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > SHIFT + right button is your friend. No, I don't like this. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:21:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:21:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A3B463CFC for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:21:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B66BBBBA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27999-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 376D9BAC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-88-47.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.88.47]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CE5A671A9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:20:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <015a01c4bfb8$dee19570$2f587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6de018f371d113fcfea50540c7fcfee1@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:16:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > SHIFT + right button is your friend. > > No, I don't like this. i saw a cool, expensive, small, VAIO laptop today with a 3 button mouse, but it had a pointing stick :( From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:38:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:38:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D62B63BED for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:38:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FA9363C6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27999-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDEC263BED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:37:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4da8527b8efc85999be133d60e94892a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:38:51 +0900 In-Reply-To: <015a01c4bfb8$dee19570$2f587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i saw a cool, expensive, small, VAIO laptop today with a 3 button mouse, but it had a pointing stick :( Stick, yes, T42 has this, and the middle button is for scroll, I don't know what it is called though. I want to use this scroll button as the ordinal middle button. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:58:23 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:58:23 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C6FB63CFC for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:58:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63EF931EBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10053-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C37943175D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:57:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5a118cc7ab20e86cfffb9c018ef4cc1d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:59:07 +0900 In-Reply-To: <4da8527b8efc85999be133d60e94892a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By the way, I tried to use marsv through this wireless LAN (56M), and found it's fast enough to show them to students while in my lecture... The remaining problem is it does reach only short distance.=E2=98=BA Our construction has square shape like below: A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D || || || || B =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D It doesn't reach from A to B in the same floor, sigh. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 12:25:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 12:25:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D02863D38 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:25:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04D9E63D03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16576-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0DC2B63D00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59477 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 03:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 03:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 03:24:49 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA13Omq176466; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:24:48 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <16ae616bd98623357da6c487432c06ee@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:24:49 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] `Get rewrite.gateway' in acme fails X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, Executing `Get rewrite.gateway' in /mail/lib/rewrite window fails in recent acme with following error: can't open /mail/librewrite.gateway: '/mail/librewrite.gateway' does not exist seems a slash has fallen out somewhare. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 15:23:26 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 15:23:26 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEB0863D57 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:23:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A8F463D01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04858-02-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1EFB31E4E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:22:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18a403abd6a18147b1115b6737be63bd@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TV/FM tuner From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:24:02 +0900 In-Reply-To: <581bc88cda41c67b12b3a60732fd0d39@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Now, I put the Fusion_878A chip to a cpu server, and import to every terminal the device. Now, we can watch TV from anyterminal with a 878A device. However, the Fusion 878A chip has no independent audio processor, and just has it locally, you cannot import TV audio device. checked hardware: KWorld: KW-878F AOpen: VA1000Plus Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 16:14:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 16:14:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 628F663D65 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:14:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C60F63C5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01125-02-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C954318D8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:13:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <457cde7f3bd9af59e2e6652eb6aa2d2a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TV/FM tuner From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:14:51 +0900 In-Reply-To: <18a403abd6a18147b1115b6737be63bd@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Now, I put the Fusion_878A chip to a cpu server, and import to every terminal > the device. Now, we can watch TV from anyterminal with a 878A device. Then, I checked drawterm with TV. I logged into the cpu server, which has Fusion 878A device in the kernel, through the wireless (56MB) network using WinXP, and binded '#'V to /dev, then, tv -n1 -l! Wow, I can see the TV on the drawterm window, which is slow though. Hmm, interesting! Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 16:37:51 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 16:37:51 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D450263D8C for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:37:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3272663D40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09585-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69B7363D47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:37:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <90a80c1eb44472e5229709a2bbb912a4@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TV/FM tuner From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:38:33 +0900 In-Reply-To: <457cde7f3bd9af59e2e6652eb6aa2d2a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Wow, I can see the TV on the drawterm window, which is slow though. Slow for 640x480x16 window, of course. >the wireless (56MB) network Sorry, 54MBps (802.11g). Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 17:03:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 17:03:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFEB163D79 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:03:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2109163D53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25915-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D484132E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so117364rnk for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:03:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oswEpWgFowI563R88m1j6lNJhGQGIJpO8ZhK/mLPlZJYMJKRdEV1vKxyCwUsUTSMeFGtBxCntu79eeViM7OZbwAUcnebFamErly8PodAEPJxpOCQTF6ALko0gIRnUPxcktQCkQsghKSAbSE1bRMdO9uPEL50txjHzJ80OQKbXMk= Received: by 10.38.150.61 with SMTP id x61mr587588rnd; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.77.20 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:03:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7359f04904110100037c497bb4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:03:17 -0800 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] `Get rewrite.gateway' in acme fails In-Reply-To: <16ae616bd98623357da6c487432c06ee@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <16ae616bd98623357da6c487432c06ee@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rob Pike , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Sorry about that. Fix: add if(dir.nr>0 && r[dir.nr]!='/' && n>0 && arg[0]!='/') r[dir.nr++] = '/'; after the call to free(dir.r) in getname() in /sys/src/cmd/acme/exec.c . -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 17:18:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 17:18:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 664FF63D29 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:18:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19DD163D06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09585-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A65B863BF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so117939rnk for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:18:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=I4mPVkkkhnDiHpH8wF4utNaEhDpSXpLoS/90KEtYfxsv88LqfXjonDUjkMF3CIlVFS9CuPv9GZTMfHNecM1YBhN+1AClWZBrBoTD1YXAEQCOlQZodm2UDVtCzIbaA2zCeHc7IBafSYt+E/Lu5GW5dstgXQ8DfKK0rDix3p6G5Ok= Received: by 10.38.66.10 with SMTP id o10mr601466rna; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.61 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:18:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80633e2d04110100182eda7aea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:18:13 +0100 From: Christian Grothaus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Grothaus , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:06:04 +0900, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > Ok, I'm going to use drawterm with WinXT on my new IBM T42. > > My notebook is using wireless network (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG), > and I got success to login through this device to an our CPU server. > Then, I ran acme, yes, no problem... However, I have no middle button > control. How I can do this. On my thinkpad (R40), if have to disable the touchpad in the bios in order to make the third button work. Christian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 17:29:42 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 17:29:42 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A6D9B8B0 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:29:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC690B03A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09585-01-99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C162EB015 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:28:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9811822e9d339475cfb7ff1a03428747@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: christian.grothaus@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:30:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: <80633e2d04110100182eda7aea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On my thinkpad (R40), if have to disable the touchpad in the bios > in order to make the third button work. In T42, the third button is working as it is expected with the default setting. (I don't like touchpad.=E2=98=BA) Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 17:58:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 17:58:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 934CD3188B for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:58:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A4D431733 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07525-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13B053172B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:58:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <06e5bfa04fafcc2b27ce47bf93f5cf47@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: christian.grothaus@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:59:20 +0900 In-Reply-To: <80633e2d04110100182eda7aea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On my thinkpad (R40), if have to disable the touchpad in the bios > in order to make the third button work. Inspired by your suggestion, I searched into WinXP mouse setting, and found the way to make scroll function off. It solved my problem. Now I can use scroll button as middole button. Thanks a lot! Kenji --a beginner of WinXP and Thinkpad=E2=98=BA From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 22:10:29 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 22:10:29 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 05CFC63EBF for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:09:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C4DD63DD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28724-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E99D63DB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:08:45 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:08:43 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTAE+m+LMMlobKIQVGhmX6ARdYW/Q== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu on fossil: term% replica/pull /dist/replica/network mount: can't open /srv/replica: '/srv/replica' file does not exist clientmount: mount 428: open term%=20 What am I missing? 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Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 23:19:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 23:19:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 396216181 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:19:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07873612C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20643-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93EB66120 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:18:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:18:49 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > on fossil: > > term% replica/pull /dist/replica/network > mount: can't open /srv/replica: '/srv/replica' file does not exist > clientmount: mount 428: open > term% stale /srv/replica, just run it once more and it'll be fine. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 02:24:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 02:24:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0412F63DF0 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2FB16104 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16883-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5155C63D06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HLiK6009509 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:47 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HLXdA001507 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:33 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HLWXT022674 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:32 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > I have two kinds of point device, (1) IBM pointing rod with two buttons+scroll > buttons and (2) two button mouse pad. I'm using the first device. turn off the damned mouse pad (in the bios). you get middle button back then. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 02:32:29 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 02:32:29 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEF56B514 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:32:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE211AFEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06005-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D5D0AFAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so154381rnk for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:31:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pRg0Ecj910131Ju4DIG6xAtkpKnBek/J3Jc5BYjUNdSyc6QIoFk59R8zreLpV7sX8g9ZC8jC268IsClXJ8yqKrce2he5Zm3TrZa3Vy7XEnUzVGYWjf/zRugTu/b2cAb3Jtce9SBFmx1BaHCmZ1fbMEbYOn1/RAyF1rE2xw1JlWQ= Received: by 10.38.150.61 with SMTP id x61mr860345rnd; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:31:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:31:48 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i don't believe you have to do that. i've posted instructions for hacking around this in the xp registry a handful of times. search the archives. russ On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:32 -0700 (MST), Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > > > I have two kinds of point device, (1) IBM pointing rod with two buttons+scroll > > buttons and (2) two button mouse pad. I'm using the first device. > > turn off the damned mouse pad (in the bios). you get middle button back > then. > > ron > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 02:39:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 02:39:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 445A131736 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:39:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 76AD26AF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15622-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AEA4AFEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HcTbG013332 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:38:29 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HcIFc009645; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:38:18 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HcIXT023824; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:38:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:38:18 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > i don't believe you have to do that. > i've posted instructions for hacking around this > in the xp registry a handful of times. search the > archives. sorry, I did not read fast enough. These were linux instructions ... maybe there is a way in linux to get 3 buttons + glide, but I annoyed with the glide pad anyway and turned it off. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 10:07:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 10:07:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9847863E56 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:06:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F74B63D0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07442-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DDFF63CF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:06:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: russcox@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:07:42 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > search the > archives. Sorry, I haven't payed any attention to WinXP, because I'd never believed I may be one of that user.=E2=98=BA Now, I'm forced to... Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 10:40:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 10:40:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F56563D5F for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:40:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4A5563D4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17178-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A529663D0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041102013946.SPQP10717.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:39:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4186E561.2050707@telus.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:39:45 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've been trying to get my Plan 9 installation to boot either from power on (I use grub as my boot loader, and the disk in question is on #S/sdD0, and that boots fine that way), or from vmware (where if I mount both disks, I get grub, select my plan 9 option, and it boots fine). The catch comes that most of the time my machine comes us as linux, and I want it to reboot that way automatically. If I'm slow on the uptake in vmware, it tries to boot my linux partition and things go to hell in a handbasket. I'd like to set up my vmware machine to use my machine's /dev/hdc as #S/sdC0 so that I can use the mbr on that drive to get into plan9 directly when using the vm. Doing so, boot requests a root drive and user, then prints: time... fossil(#S/sdC0/fossil)...fsOpen: open /dev/sdD0/fossil: '/dev/sdD0/fossil does not exist' etc, ending in a panic: boot process died: unknown. Where is this reference to /dev/sdD0/fossil encoded? In asking for the root it correctly prompts with [local!#S/sdC0/fossil], and I would expect to try opening that instead of sdD0. Any ideas? Thanks, Paul From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 10:55:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 10:55:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C933763DFF for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:55:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F15663C25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17178-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C332863D3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4230 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 01:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 01:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 01:54:33 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA21sWq242938; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:54:32 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:54:31 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue Nov 2 10:40:21 JST 2004, Paul Lalonde wrote: > fossil(#S/sdC0/fossil)...fsOpen: open /dev/sdD0/fossil: > '/dev/sdD0/fossil does not exist' : > Where is this reference to /dev/sdD0/fossil encoded? Your fossil configuration branded into fossil partition might contain sdD0 like: % fossil/conf /dev/sdC0/fossil (or any other fossil partition) : fsys main config /dev/sdD0/fossil : You might need to change the line and brand it to the partition with fossil/conf -w again. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:09:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:09:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B08A63E2E for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:09:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62B5E63AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17178-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8EB4263C22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041102020832.TOCS10717.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:08:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4186EC1F.5040904@telus.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:08:31 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu And so it is; and that means that my vmware/bare machine dual boot scheme is doomed to failure ;-) Am I right in assuming that there's no hook for changing it in the boot sequence? Is there a better to do what I'm looking for? Thanks, Paul YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: >Your fossil configuration branded into fossil partition >might contain sdD0 like: >% fossil/conf /dev/sdC0/fossil (or any other fossil partition) >fsys main config /dev/sdD0/fossil > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:22:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:22:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DBBE63DE0 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA7D563D38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14536-02-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 164ED63D0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:21:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:21:44 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <4186EC1F.5040904@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu you can use one of the older configurations files, /sys/src/9/pc/pcfl which incorporate a shell and a script in the kernel. it is much trickier to configure and ends up with a massively bigger kernel, but it gives you the ability to choose where to boot a fossil from (essentially you decide what config file it boots with every time you start up). it may be more work than you're willing to do. if you get stuck email me privately and i'll give you sample configs. andrey > And so it is; and that means that my vmware/bare machine dual boot > scheme is doomed to failure ;-) > Am I right in assuming that there's no hook for changing it in the boot > sequence? > > Is there a better to do what I'm looking for? > > Thanks, > Paul > > > YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > >>Your fossil configuration branded into fossil partition >>might contain sdD0 like: >>% fossil/conf /dev/sdC0/fossil (or any other fossil partition) >>fsys main config /dev/sdD0/fossil >> >> From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:46:47 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:46:47 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B455363D9D for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:46:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CDA563A9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27126-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D863639C1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:46:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:46:24 +0900 In-Reply-To: <4186E561.2050707@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I've been trying to get my Plan 9 installation to boot either from power > on (I use grub as my boot loader, I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it before... Only LILO can live with Plan 9. Am I wrong? Things improved? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:49:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:49:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00A8363C5 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:48:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA93063D14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27126-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D214363C22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041102024805.UIRW10717.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: <4186F563.9020700@telus.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:48:03 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Thanks for the offer Andrey, but Takeshi found me a much simpler answer: I built a small virtual disk with a MBR and 9fat system to act as ide0:0, and now it works perfectly. I was overlooking the obvious :-) I'll avoid doing the piles of config work, and do penance by putting together a trivial wiki page about it. Thanks all, Paul From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:54:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:54:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74B2263DF8 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7024E63CF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14536-02-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes47.telusplanet.net (outbound03.telus.net [199.185.220.222]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CFFC63D66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041102025237.MQAR22968.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:52:37 -0700 Message-ID: <4186F675.8010400@telus.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:52:37 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've had no problems with grub - it squeals a bit about the unrecognized partition, but all of the grub script is root (hd1, 0) chainloader +1 My plan9 partition is on hd1, partition 0. Paul Kenji Okamoto wrote: >>I've been trying to get my Plan 9 installation to boot either from power >>on (I use grub as my boot loader, >> >> > >I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it >before... Only LILO can live with Plan 9. Am I wrong? Things >improved? > >Kenji > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 12:25:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 12:25:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 163EE63E11 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:25:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF72763D66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07762-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F55363D5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:24:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91a0b78a6030d86eee53093c0f8fd852@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:24:51 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> I've been trying to get my Plan 9 installation to boot either from power >> on (I use grub as my boot loader, > > I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it > before... Only LILO can live with Plan 9. Am I wrong? Things > improved? > > Kenji i'm booting p9 with grub fine. russ has posted instructions on how to set it up in the past, i can repost my config. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 13:25:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 13:25:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6ABFD63E01 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:25:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2827963DF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21372-01-81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7834563DEB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellsouth.net ([65.4.255.240]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with SMTP id <20041102042430.SVZL2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:24:30 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: blstuart@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:46:24 +0900 . Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:12:09 -0600 Message-Id: <20041102042430.SVZL2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In message , Ken ji Okamoto writes: >I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it >before... Only LILO can live with Plan 9. Am I wrong? Things >improved? I've been using it quite happily. My grub config for Plan9 is set up pretty much the same as for Windows and I've got PBS set up in the first sector of the Plan9 partition. BLS From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 21:22:36 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 21:22:36 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 949DE63FDB for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:22:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E5F763EF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01538-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7D5463C10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-103.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.103]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D4B0F67312 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:21:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <024401c4c0d5$d5acdfa0$67fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:16:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it > before... i got into grub hell a while back, so i resorted to BFI; i formatted the _whole_ disk. VAIO re-installs are really easy and quick, so that compensated a bit for the grub woe. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 22:35:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 22:35:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35D3663F2C for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:35:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08AC063D03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20690-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A85D63B30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:34:54 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:34:53 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: plumbing on served fs Thread-Index: AcTA4Lu+NEy7AHSsRVSBUo1dekVh0A== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plumbing on served fs X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi all! I have a problem: when I mount ISO9660 CD under /n/cd, start acme from the same namespace 3-click on /n/cd/test.ps, the file appears as src text in acme frame, instead being plumbed to page. cp /n/cd/test.ps . and 3-click on test.ps behaves OK. The same holds for other non-textual filetypes (jpg...), also on ext2fs served files. Is this correct behavior? If so, why? Thanks, regards, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 23:04:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 23:04:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8199C63F05 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:04:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF6AD63F05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00137-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C6E563F09 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so240000rnk for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 06:02:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HVKAAG+l0Abo636m2bopyCLCeFAg/412LGQwX+gyDoofb0ZDHjW/jJxlpfgZpNm/dO1ONWV18bLrv4wZiCIs2oPke2uQMgEWGgWve0J7b69fiEVMGnHH17xpG65F8t67ceo7Jwtsc+urlFDo+lmac/InPeuypX8+LMNyc2F8azo= Received: by 10.38.193.1 with SMTP id q1mr28391rnf; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 06:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:02:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:02:25 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plumbing on served fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is this correct behavior? If so, why? it happens because when you mount the cd that happens in just the window you're using and not anywhere else. in particular, it doesn't get mounted in the plumber's name space, and so asking the plumber about /n/cd/test.ps fails, so acme falls back to its own defaults -- in this case just opening the file. others have posted some tricks with srvfs to work around this. instead of those, i just tell the plumber to do the mount too. i type Local 9fs cd in an acme window and then middle-click it (execute in acme) and right click it (send to plumber). with this plumb rule: # stupid rule to run programs kind is text data matches 'Local (.*)' plumb to none plumb start rc -c $1 russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 17:29:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 17:29:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BC37C6750 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:29:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8DA363F49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00163-02-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F1C763F44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so138963wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UBOyBb2Vl1SK2mh23JFNDoSTbVvWs7K6k3nqB6jnW8GD7SDdS+VsMJlR0J4tQfUQBrBVZ8uGG2a5iCpjEYHIbqopyDNNMedjH/wsVuYtXK74sKC+biVooYJJUWUGSG4OkbyR2kQZ5TTuu4wh8F+Hg/J8AYE4uAqO5EKoSIouSpY= Received: by 10.54.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr307354wru; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:27:43 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] venti crashes at startup X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Moin, I try to setup venti with the following procedure: venti/fmtarenas arenas /dev/sdC0/arenas venti/fmtisect isect /dev/sdC0/isect venti/fmtindex venti.conf I can run venti/venti -w. Then I put 'venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas' in plan9.ini and it crashes on boot. I use the 9pccpuf kernel. What do I missing? Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 17:39:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 17:39:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 003BC63F9A for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:39:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2E0D63EC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00163-02-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ADBFA63EB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:39:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5d802b35cc0ae4d0c8e9d02c7bbd8e32@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:40:59 0000 To: mteege@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zodnvitryakjbqbdyfcleqqcwd" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zodnvitryakjbqbdyfcleqqcwd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have you done venti/conf -w ...? otherwise venti won't know its configuration --upas-zodnvitryakjbqbdyfcleqqcwd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Wed Nov 3 08:31:36 GMT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88AEBC67AF for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:29:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8DA363F49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00163-02-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F1C763F44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so138963wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UBOyBb2Vl1SK2mh23JFNDoSTbVvWs7K6k3nqB6jnW8GD7SDdS+VsMJlR0J4tQfUQBrBVZ8uGG2a5iCpjEYHIbqopyDNNMedjH/wsVuYtXK74sKC+biVooYJJUWUGSG4OkbyR2kQZ5TTuu4wh8F+Hg/J8AYE4uAqO5EKoSIouSpY= Received: by 10.54.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr307354wru; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:27:43 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] venti crashes at startup X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Moin, I try to setup venti with the following procedure: venti/fmtarenas arenas /dev/sdC0/arenas venti/fmtisect isect /dev/sdC0/isect venti/fmtindex venti.conf I can run venti/venti -w. Then I put 'venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas' in plan9.ini and it crashes on boot. I use the 9pccpuf kernel. What do I missing? Matthias --upas-zodnvitryakjbqbdyfcleqqcwd-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 17:59:38 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 17:59:38 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B075B63F95 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:59:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1850663D2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09593-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 128F763DAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iA38wtKR015821 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:58:55 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:58:55 +0200 To: "Matthias Teege" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:58:54 +0200 From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2004 08:58:55.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[58F3B660:01C4C183] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Then I put 'venti=3D/dev/sdC0/arenas' in plan9.ini and it crashes on > boot. I use the 9pccpuf kernel. What do I missing? Seems to me that you forgot to add venti to the boot directory (see the end of the kernel config file). P.S. It's "what AM i missing", not "what DO i missing" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:04:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:04:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 876B863F31 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:04:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 067B863F02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07618-03-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C66F63ECF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:03:13 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:03:12 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: page pdf problem Thread-Index: AcTBg/JAEjfub7nVTJ+XISWu3Q4vMg== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] page pdf problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi, on some pdf documents, page does apparently shift the bounding box = downwards, so that upper part of the page gets cut-off, independently of -b -P = switches. Of the same pdf document, pdf2ps creates OK ps doc, however, it is = graphic internally so that pstotext does not extract anything [it's a problem of gs, = however [I think]] any hint?? pdf doc available on request if sb is interested. thanks, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:23:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:23:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B5DFC671A for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:22:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B38C75E30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20292-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B9E1863 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:21:45 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:21:45 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTAE+m+LMMlobKIQVGhmX6ARdYW/QBcn0xQ From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu simply repeating replica/pull /dist/replica/network didn't help. Did you mean it so? ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:28:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:28:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69566BBA0 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E768BB8C3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20292-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4FD15B5B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so140317wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:27:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=OKIS4x+Zy6XN+XnbLwl92t7/SMwcKv/EAVj3f/GXfm6reSfnxHIAHtWeOg7JDO2B3Oma5P0m1aWtSg9TO9x83lMMmQXNFYaTYYcVfbej0TzDQdL2yKOtyT+/M+qOFdCp5nz8qO+sNvl1SNPEU9tBG5ZVDY/6TJ9IO/d5yKAbFcg= Received: by 10.54.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr310430wru; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:27:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:26:33 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: C H Forsyth Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:40:59 0000, C H Forsyth wrote: > have you done venti/conf -w ...? > otherwise venti won't know its configuration No. After do venti/conf -w venti.conf plan9 try to boot from local!#sdC0/fs but it crashes. I only can boot from local!#sdC0/fossil. My plan9.ini now looks like this: [menu] menuitem=vnt, from venti menuitem=fsl, from fossil [vnt] bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas [fsl] bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/fossil bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fossil ... Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:36:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:36:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE846BD96 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:36:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39E88BD96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22618-01-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70514BAA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so140515wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:35:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LAmY3RBd/kpGge6j01Mkc1UuF5yaQKrcWSjouZ10L0zbmAyNhW6/UoRvzCyk1xFvIxfjAi0aRhXoAB6FK5P0CK5X7OeUlF/q9LrymS6FMO0VVlQ7AbNYY7yoeTFF+cKc/pKlJpJ+irBiU9TUlyXpflsWzo434kamaB6OM9muXyY= Received: by 10.54.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr310877wru; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:35:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110301352b38a73b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:34:57 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Tiit Lankots Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:58:54 +0200, Tiit Lankots wrote: > Seems to me that you forgot to add venti to the boot directory > (see the end of the kernel config file). % ls /boot /boot/boot /boot/factotum /boot/fossil /boot/ipconfig /boot/kfs /boot/venti % tail -n 7 pccpuf bootdir bootpccpuf.out boot /386/bin/ip/ipconfig /386/bin/auth/factotum /386/bin/disk/kfs /386/bin/fossil/fossil /386/bin/venti/venti anything wrong? > P.S. It's "what AM i missing", not "what DO i missing" Many thanks Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:48:21 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:48:21 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8791063A6E for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:48:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0C5531E58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22618-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2873231A29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:47:43 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:47:42 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: pdf2txt Thread-Index: AcTBiinQ4aoFOtYUTb60LH66wJw3ZA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pdf2txt X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi, looking into src of 'page', it seems that pdf docs don't go to GhostScript, but are treated internally. Would it then be a problem to have something like 'pdf2txt'? cat doc.pdf | pdf2ps | ps2a (or the like) doesn't work apparently due to pdf2ps. Or, hoe do YOU index your pdf docs? Manually?? thanks, ++pac --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 19:48:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 19:48:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2258663FBC for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:48:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4606D63F56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07730-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BF20B02C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA3Alab6026538 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:47:36 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3AlaWk024665 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:47:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:47:36 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Message-ID: <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Matthias Teege wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:40:59 0000, C H Forsyth wrote: > > have you done venti/conf -w ...? > > otherwise venti won't know its configuration > > No. After do venti/conf -w venti.conf plan9 try to boot from > local!#sdC0/fs but it crashes. I only can boot from > local!#sdC0/fossil. My plan9.ini now looks like this: It's because you don't set bootargs and bootdisk in your venti section of plan9.ini, I think. > [menu] > menuitem=vnt, from venti > menuitem=fsl, from fossil > > [vnt] > bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf > venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas > > [fsl] > bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf > bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/fossil > bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fossil Put the 2 lines at the end into a section named [common]. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 20:43:42 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 20:43:42 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B3AB163A4D for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:43:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A92A63A59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22735-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAA1663A44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@norge.freeshell.org [192.94.73.3]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA3Bh15Z003884 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:43:01 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3Bh17N001549 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:43:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:43:01 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Message-ID: <20041103114301.GA21201@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > on fossil: > > term% replica/pull /dist/replica/network > mount: can't open /srv/replica: '/srv/replica' file does not exist > clientmount: mount 428: open > term% > > What am I missing? No idea.. I don't know why it could fail this way (if you didn't modify /dist/replica/network). Try to execute the clientmount function of the sript manually: % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons % mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 21:26:21 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 21:26:21 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A724463F93 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:25:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4487A63F6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26150-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C7B163F61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:24:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4da86f650eaafaa7cf0cf6fdab87a7b1@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:30:38 0000 In-Reply-To: <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > have you done venti/conf -w ...? > > otherwise venti won't know its configuration > > No. After do venti/conf -w venti.conf plan9 try to boot from i hope you meant venti/conf -w /dev/sdC0/arenas ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:54:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7B5A63B53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23571-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84DE163B4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q1so80616rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:53:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ZtTBLEkYLS9yt0mPm7lH4V3a0SEt1YXUOP5k3xQaYKF4kG5v1Z1jREiIy+ZZxn1GevmTtDH0lnPhYrNeK7UL1UoRtVMOExdp9CBQ51T6DxOyeZBnNpln2uaSvpVtIEF/Fn2bRRLUduUOKIhgEa77vS+8iCApbrxhJEYKix0oxtk= Received: by 10.38.15.65 with SMTP id 65mr1020973rno; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:53:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:53:42 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pdf2txt In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > looking into src of 'page', it seems that > pdf docs don't go to GhostScript, but are treated internally. they go to ghostscript. > Would it then be a problem to have something like 'pdf2txt'? > > cat doc.pdf | pdf2ps | ps2a (or the like) > > doesn't work apparently due to pdf2ps. you could look at the xpdf tools, which include a pdftotext. > Or, hoe do YOU index your pdf docs? Manually?? i don't. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 01:03:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 01:03:03 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 282F131E3D for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4E9163E7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07894-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDD8D63E26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so154791wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:01:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=f87KSohDifE+tpITF6bIR1pd7z64kzb86Qd03AxpDygkV5/fzUiX4lmA/PTtxoIoeCUfP3top/AicjstR93v8Ti/15s+nJRlbRZEa6jPsIqjIQvWARAWIt+Ht9c9SgfSxQEvE9NpBzqT32/OXxWloMcZ605j1VaeWK17B4xGK3Q= Received: by 10.54.39.26 with SMTP id m26mr341358wrm; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:00:09 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:47:36 +0100, Heiko Dudzus wrote: > It's because you don't set bootargs and bootdisk in your venti section > of plan9.ini, I think. Ok, my plan9.ini looks like this now: bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/ bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/ venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas ... The server comes up and I see the 'venti' message. ps ax | grep venti | wc -l gives 3. I make a snapshot with con /srv/fscons sys main snap -a but 'df' shows me that 11% of the write cache is used. I can see the snapshot after 9fs dump und /n/dump. Isn't the wriet cache cleaned automaticly? Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 01:14:01 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 01:14:01 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D83463EBA for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:14:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6ABF563A7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10452-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.telecinco.es (unknown [62.81.224.137]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 227FF60E7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [62.81.241.26] (helo=salma.pentanet.net) by mail.telecinco.es with esmtp id 1CPNY4-0008At-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:59:48 +0100 Received: from tachikoma ([150.0.10.26]) by salma.pentanet.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id I6M2DD00.H4G for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:12:49 +0100 Message-ID: <5c1180c21894f3518a3902ca8a248c87@ipsoluciones.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:12:43 0000 From: gdiaz@online.ie In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ainjxhkmpvnjfytlfnllvtfncc" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ainjxhkmpvnjfytlfnllvtfncc Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello, I think that cache is your fossil filesystem, so, that 11% are the files you can see in normal operation. if i not missed all of that, venti "generates" your cache (fossil) in which you can work like normal fs, and when finish your work , the snapshot will write it to venti fs. so you never will see an empty cache unless that fossil does not contain your plan9 system disk. you can create a fossil for the system and other fossil for other purposes. That will allow you to empty that fossil completly. I am not sure if you can dump two fossils to one venti, but i suppose yes. gabi --upas-ainjxhkmpvnjfytlfnllvtfncc Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-bounces+gdiaz=online.ie@cse.psu.edu> Envelope-to: gdiaz@online.ie Delivery-date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:02:41 +0000 Received: from [130.203.4.6] (helo=mail.cse.psu.edu) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPNar-0004iy-4C for gdiaz@online.ie; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:02:41 +0000 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B82CB8F2 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4E9163E7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07894-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDD8D63E26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so154791wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:01:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=f87KSohDifE+tpITF6bIR1pd7z64kzb86Qd03AxpDygkV5/fzUiX4lmA/PTtxoIoeCUfP3top/AicjstR93v8Ti/15s+nJRlbRZEa6jPsIqjIQvWARAWIt+Ht9c9SgfSxQEvE9NpBzqT32/OXxWloMcZ605j1VaeWK17B4xGK3Q= Received: by 10.54.39.26 with SMTP id m26mr341358wrm; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:00:09 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+gdiaz=online.ie@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+gdiaz=online.ie@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:47:36 +0100, Heiko Dudzus wrote: > It's because you don't set bootargs and bootdisk in your venti section > of plan9.ini, I think. Ok, my plan9.ini looks like this now: bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/ bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/ venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas ... The server comes up and I see the 'venti' message. ps ax | grep venti | wc -l gives 3. I make a snapshot with con /srv/fscons sys main snap -a but 'df' shows me that 11% of the write cache is used. I can see the snapshot after 9fs dump und /n/dump. Isn't the wriet cache cleaned automaticly? Matthias --upas-ainjxhkmpvnjfytlfnllvtfncc-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 01:42:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 01:42:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B91A963E9F for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:42:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B00F63E87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10446-02-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DEFA63E26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@norge.freeshell.org [192.94.73.3]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA3GfAsn002189 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:41:10 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3GfABV002065 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:41:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:41:10 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Message-ID: <20041103164110.GA26709@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Matthias Teege wrote: > Ok, my plan9.ini looks like this now: > bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf > bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/ > bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/ > venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas > ... btw, bootdisk is deprecated. It isn't necessary if you use bootargs. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 08:25:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 08:25:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9AAE063E74 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:25:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67C8E63A71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10356-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF15363A6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.133]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C4D79378E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:24:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00bc01c4c1fb$b5d3b880$594cdfd5@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:20:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] vga nVidia GeForce FX Go5200 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu so, i'm being lazy. do we support this? it's for a Dell Inspiron 5160 [internal network card unknown]. -- MGRS 31U DQ 52572 12604 , From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 08:48:25 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 08:48:25 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E21CE63C9F for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:48:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1A6463B5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09330-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FC7663B36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so198885rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:47:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=VD7LOKf03GmyOqRlDnnJcsmdJqMTUuQe7cJQdQ/Lx4R5u9yGZ8i3Hi4Yh5ohChqJcM/5g8hTYDtOLa67E11iB+0jyqL7vEAH/PgcZCn57DHTEeFfnvcaLk8zOoUJl494SWwpNSWvpq3WjhPp4C3u4YtB5Q+hTFkcZIjjSylkSKQ= Received: by 10.38.177.35 with SMTP id z35mr1379530rne; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.9 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:47:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204110315475ace698e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:47:38 +0000 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] vga nVidia GeForce FX Go5200 In-Reply-To: <00bc01c4c1fb$b5d3b880$594cdfd5@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <00bc01c4c1fb$b5d3b880$594cdfd5@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:20:22 +0100, boyd, rounin wrote: > so, i'm being lazy. do we support this? > > it's for a Dell Inspiron 5160 [internal network card unknown]. Yes. I'm using one in a Plan 9 terminal. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 08:52:59 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 08:52:59 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3416D63B11 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:52:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3756563AB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29620-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E23763A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-88-133.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.88.133]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 172D0671C5; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:52:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00c901c4c1ff$9b62ef30$594cdfd5@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Vester Thacker" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <00bc01c4c1fb$b5d3b880$594cdfd5@SOMA> <32a656c204110315475ace698e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] vga nVidia GeForce FX Go5200 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:48:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Yes. I'm using one in a Plan 9 terminal. cool. the gunny rocks! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 09:10:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 09:10:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A955963B19 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:10:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C06F963FF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09564-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.248]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5735463B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so168901cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:09:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AVme+2bNsGbbySTpufs7dQwCg2y6iOiEgqgq5KW/Gkmmp4zn8z1G3cFiybJOjgigEcdyYSME15PFE/EdyVo/YmtsauNs7KyS5jnx4c77c+G/LpuRxMfMzPADDQ/Emm5rcxw0u8CshBXd1ETk4mfz5GIfKQL9mOD0t2QDWImofP0= Received: by 10.11.100.11 with SMTP id x11mr177357cwb; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:09:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604110316096418c219@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:09:34 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] latest version of drawterm for mac os x X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello, I don't even remember where I downloaded this program anymore but I would like to get the latest version as the one I have loses all it's fonts when doing things like "replica/pull". Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 10:57:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 10:57:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26AF363B35 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:57:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A737863B3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03552-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C01563B2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:56:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:58:47 +0900 In-Reply-To: <024401c4c0d5$d5acdfa0$67fb7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it >> before...=20 My experience was that I used no disk for Plan 9, and just for Linux and tried to use grub on this situation. Here, Plan 9 should be booted from floppy, and Linux would be booted from disk. After all, I gaved up to use grub, and now I'm bootin Linux from floppy, too. sigh... What for Linux? Because I'm using it to watch DVD movie.=E2=98=BA Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 13:35:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 13:35:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8482763E68 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C4CC963A8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05693-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C1E963AED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so199136rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:35:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hl1664rAtTEnr6Pd8hhRlwM7o8cHxHkwaLw6PtfYpeqfxS2Gjg2GtLsbZuLcTvVY1Z8fCiRQUhLqWuuHSbGjkRD9FCZd63M3uLVCXDc7FEEXOegx2B4xgTH0oMUmy81/wFIYPtr6+E/V3ufqKiPuVPNrMtI13rx5jwuicWTfE7w= Received: by 10.38.77.25 with SMTP id z25mr1533219rna; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.9 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:35:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204110320352adc73ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:35:13 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Plan9.jp has established a Plan 9 support/advocacy mailing list for the Plan 9 community in Japan called "9fans". To subscribe, send an an email to "9fans-owner@plan9.jp" with the word "subscribe" in the subject. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 15:03:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 15:03:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A6D963E8D for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:03:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F120663C47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22116-02-79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FCE863BFA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:02:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: vester.thacker@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:04:13 +0900 In-Reply-To: <32a656c204110320352adc73ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-umsvzzwrxisovyppvskzoyubhn" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-umsvzzwrxisovyppvskzoyubhn Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oo--, well. 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X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Plan9.jp has established a Plan 9 support/advocacy mailing list for the Plan 9 community in Japan called "9fans". To subscribe, send an an email to "9fans-owner@plan9.jp" with the word "subscribe" in the subject. -vester --upas-umsvzzwrxisovyppvskzoyubhn-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 17:23:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 17:23:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED36B63F7D for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:23:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BBB663DA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17515-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAB6A63B66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:22:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <818f1f56cc41e80872a720e800e87001@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:24:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: <32a656c204110323532855da1e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In a natural case of such mailing-list, there would appear someone who can write Japanese behave like an expert of Plan 9, and say others "Ken said something....", in fact, s/he has no relation to Ken. Others who never read such that of this mailing-list think it may be. That's a usual story of such mailing-list. Be carefull all persons here what are they told in 'isolated' mailing-list. Isolated from the persons who cannot read Japanese, but developping Plan 9. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 17:30:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 17:30:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B96FE63D35 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:29:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5B7F639BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00921-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C4CE7639D3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8845 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 08:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 08:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 08:29:02 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA48T1q407862; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:29:01 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:28:48 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu Nov 4 17:23:17 JST 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > In a natural case of such mailing-list, there would appear someone > who can write Japanese behave like an expert of Plan 9 I'm glad if p9 community in Japan grows that large. Anyway, > Be carefull all persons here what are they told in 'isolated' mailing-list. Let's join the japanese 9fans list and be watchful for sake of others'. :) -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 17:46:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 17:46:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC19663E70 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:46:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4448963D35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17515-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C37263B95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:45:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e4b284b320c959a7461d2766ac8e796@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:47:12 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Let's join the japanese 9fans list and be watchful for > sake of others'. :) I'm prety much sure most posts are how to install the Plan 9.. I have no interest on such things. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 18:26:26 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 18:26:26 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF63063FE1 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:26:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E9DD63FE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19116-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2B2D63FE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:25:44 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1e4b284b320c959a7461d2766ac8e796@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> References: <1e4b284b320c959a7461d2766ac8e796@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FAB1F83-2E43-11D9-9C17-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:25:42 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello, > I'm prety much sure most posts are how to install the Plan 9.. That are important posts for 9fans, and I'm pretty much sure you also started from such posts. Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 22:44:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 22:44:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B771131E60 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:43:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32418C2AB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22819-02-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78FCFBAA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:42:43 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:42:41 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTCdCfo+1qEj9b4SYOBXIAnc7bzdQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons > % mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot > > Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? that's it! err message was usage: 'srv -Adp replica' however , -Adp didn't work either, I had to remove all options, and = voila! thanks, regards, ++pac Peter A. 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Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 01:14:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 01:14:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52D1E63A31 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:14:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2308231EC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03660-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E28A31E6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA4GDZSI020786 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:13:36 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA4GDOo5031586 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:13:24 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA4GDNXT019461 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:13:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:13:23 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pipewrite hi 80107fd4 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is on Xen/Plan 9. I'm still seeing these, even though I keep thinking I've fixed it. Any comments on what to look for are welcome :-) ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 02:11:32 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 02:11:32 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C898C670C for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:11:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4FE3B63F2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04352-01-93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FF8863EF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:10:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:10:25 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ctrl-d and rio X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu When I run a user level fileservers, eg my own cifs and then close the window with ctrl-d the window doesn't close, I have to use rio to delete the window. This doesn't happen with the likes of ftpfs. At first I though I was holding /dev/cons open so I close fds 0, 1, and 2 and lsof shows me I only have the network connection (and /dev/bintime) open. why don't my programs cleanup nicely? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 02:22:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 02:22:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17B0063A0E for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:22:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D072D31A29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07835-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38074639C0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:21:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <334ef3045cd1529b82e0bf9767ba99f5@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ctrl-d and rio Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:21:33 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i've seen the same problem when starting the plumber in a new namespace. ctrl+d doesn't close the window, but if i hit 'del' (and kill the plumber) it goes away. it's very easy to reproduce. never been bothered by it enough to look at the cause and assumed it's just open file descriptors. still, i am interested in hearing explanations/solutions. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 03:47:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 03:47:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D24163FCC for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:47:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91FA863623 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19290-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEC1763620 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:46:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <09bc4af6170d58bf7301230f8f37b748@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ctrl-d and rio Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:52:40 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <334ef3045cd1529b82e0bf9767ba99f5@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > never been bothered by it enough to look at the cause and assumed it's > just open file descriptors. still, i am interested in hearing > explanations/solutions. this has nagged at me too in the past, so i just had a look into it. there are two reasons (in in the plumber case, at any rate) why the shell window doesn't disappear correctly. the first is a bug in /sys/src/cmd/plumb/fsys.c:/^startfsys procrfork(fsysproc, nil, Stack, RFFDG); should be: procrfork(fsysproc, nil, Stack, RFFDG|RFNAMEG); otherwise the process serving the plumbing namespace is also holding that namespace open. but even with that fixed, the plumber automatically creates an entry in /srv. this holds the 9p pipe to the plumber open even when the shell holding the plumber's namespace exits. removing the /srv file allows the window to disappear correctly (a rio window only exits when the window's namespace is no longer referenced). so, assuming the first fix, plumber rm `{cat /env/plumbsrv} would be sufficient (although an option suppressing the /srv posting would likely be preferable). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 04:06:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 04:06:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 447E163C1F for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:06:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD70A63B5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21421-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 749F963B49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ctrl-d and rio Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:11:34 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <334ef3045cd1529b82e0bf9767ba99f5@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu this reminds me. if i wish to run a command in the background from a window without stopping the window from closing automatically when the shell terminates, is there a simpler way than: @ { rfork n unmount /mnt/wsys /dev unmount /mnt/wsys exec mycommand < /dev/null > /dev/null >[2] /dev/null & } ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 04:52:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 04:52:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 11CA163B5F for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:52:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48FA163A2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00748-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A86363A35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so302777rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=GoK/XK32sCXIqzloE1dcUVIvDeoGCKcWlVpsGnnlUmOIcieMECpwhHaqp8voMgnysLZCeGu6SRJWCrzk6LY2qMHagKF7gFU610bOj9+CAkxpqZPaYyd9j4XoOTn0kombIFZ/50qhOYXDxKDmH0V2E5WIfr4I2QQ+uVK4ySaDM2w= Received: by 10.39.2.34 with SMTP id e34mr525604rni; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:51:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:51:48 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pipewrite hi 80107fd4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > This is on Xen/Plan 9. > > I'm still seeing these, even though I keep thinking I've fixed it. > > Any comments on what to look for are welcome :-) you're running spl hi when you shouldn't be. the problem is likely nowhere near the pipe code. look for code fiddling with spl that you have changed recently. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 05:24:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 05:24:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BB1463C1F for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4903D63A9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00648-01-88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E15763A79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA4KOCSH019160 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:24:12 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4KOCUR005201 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:24:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:24:12 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Message-ID: <20041104202412.GA19500@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > > % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons > > % mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot > > > > Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? > > that's it! err message was > usage: 'srv -Adp replica' > > however , -Adp didn't work either, I had to remove all options, and voila! Did you use a very old version of fossil? Usually, one needs the flags AWP to circumvent authentication, disable permission checking and allow arbitrary changes to owner and user fields when doing a pull. The d flag causes fossil to delete a service. That's definitely not wanted for the clientmount. ;-) You can use it after the pull was successful. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 05:32:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 05:32:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D4AF63E93 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:32:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B277D63B60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01814-01-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1B9363A54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA4KVY4Q022402 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:31:34 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA4KVMZx012370; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:31:22 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA4KVMXT032498; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:31:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:31:22 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pipewrite hi 80107fd4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > you're running spl hi when you shouldn't be. that much I knew :-) it's definitely my screwup. but thanks ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:11:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:11:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A72C63AA0 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:11:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE53163A70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20678-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF9E863A5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:10:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:12:19 +0900 In-Reply-To: <7FAB1F83-2E43-11D9-9C17-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > That are important posts for 9fans, When I was a grad student at Kyoto Univ., I was taught from my supervisor we should contact with the original author not second one when we have to learn somthing. This is very important point here. Here, we can contact with those persons, we lost Ken, however, Rob is still responding to our questions, and others. When you find something such a good question, who can reply in "Japanese mailing-list"? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:17:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:17:03 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFB4863FB8 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:17:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9AAEC63EF0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07215-01-75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8409463E9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 16EC067192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:16:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c4c2d4$861c6680$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:12:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > When I was a grad student at Kyoto Univ., I was taught from my supervisor > we should contact with the original author not second one when we have > to learn somthing. This is very important point here. only if you are a hard core, .jp, inflexible dingbat. omae dakara, wakaranai yo!! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:26:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:26:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17B0463AE0 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:26:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E065A63AE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21121-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7F7463AE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:25:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:25:46 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > we lost Ken Did we ever have Ken? At any rate, we can still read Ken. Also, I agree spliting 9fans is not a good thing. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:28:04 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:28:04 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7821963FE1 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:28:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B989163B8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21121-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5985D63B83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:27:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:29:24 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> we lost Ken > > Did we ever have Ken? Long time ago, I saw his posting here, if my memory is still fine. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:31:01 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:31:01 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EF5F63FEB for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:31:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C66F63F2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20678-01-88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E509763E2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57616 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 01:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 01:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 01:30:14 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA51UDq462193; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:30:13 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:30:04 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri Nov 5 10:26:04 JST 2004, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Also, I agree spliting 9fans is not a good thing. Please don't think establishing a japanese 9fans list as splitting. There are certain numbers of people who are reluctant or unable to read/write foreign languages. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:35:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:35:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65F7C63B77 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:35:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08EF263E2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22452-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7FC263B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A5EA6713A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:34:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002801c4c2d7$1b720170$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:30:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Please don't think establishing a japanese 9fans list as splitting. > There are certain numbers of people who are reluctant or unable to > read/write foreign languages. yup. i believe that is the purpose from what the gunny has said. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:36:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:36:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2103163FEB for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:36:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D141463F5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21121-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33DF163B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:36:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:38:14 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Please don't think establishing a japanese 9fans list as splitting. > There are certain numbers of people who are reluctant or unable to > read/write foreign languages. However, such people cannot develope Plan 9. Please don't confuse "develope" means writing program. Developping is a design thing, I believe. If we can force Rob to speak/write Japanese, it's the best way for Japanese. Unfortunately, Rob must be busy for more important things, I suppose.=E2=98=BA Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:44:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:44:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1137DC671A for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:44:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B06EB63AF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21121-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62C2A63ACF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F5DF67192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:43:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003a01c4c2d8$53f2ebd0$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:39:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > If we can force Rob to speak/write Japanese, it's the best way for > Japanese. you have no idea of the difficulty of the problem. english is easy to learn. japanese takes ~5 times as long to learn as any 'european' language and THAT is before your come to the the writing: - romaji - hiragana - katakana - kanji 800/2000/6000 and then there's technical japanese. not to mention all the business protocol. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 18:49:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 18:49:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FC2DC67E0 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:49:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6723C6760 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08282-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7466163FB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:48:44 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:48:39 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTDHKCFysUXo+r1Ta+wtMJRgRASFg== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> usage: 'srv -Adp replica' >>=20 >> however , -Adp didn't work either, I had to remove all options, and = voila! >Did you use a very old version of fossil? maybe of June, or so? >permission checking and allow arbitrary changes to owner and user >fields when doing a pull. > >The d flag causes fossil to delete a service. That's definitely not >wanted for the clientmount. ;-) You can use it after the pull was >successful. i did pull -s, restored config files, and it seems to work. should try = another pull now, though... [nice to see the development moving so rapidly forward, indeed!] ++pac --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 19:06:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 19:06:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4AB29C67A1 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E307C675E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12631-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC134C6742 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BFD1347E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:05:32 -1000 (HST) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:05:32 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] assembler scheduling X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Eek! The assembler messed with my code. Here's the original going into ka. Notice the *** line: TEXT syslink(SB), $-4 MOVW R2, R10 MOVW $setSB(SB), R2 MOVW $mach0(SB), R14 MOVW (4*2)(R14), R13 /* m->proc */ MOVW (4*2)(R13), R9 /* m->proc->kstack */ MOVW R1, (KSTACK-UREGSZ+4*1)(R9) /* SP */ MOVW R10, (KSTACK-UREGSZ+4*2)(R9) /* SB */ MOVW R5, (KSTACK-UREGSZ+4*5)(R9) /* PROC */ MOVW R6, (KSTACK-UREGSZ+4*6)(R9) /* MACH */ ADD $(KSTACK-UREGSZ), R9, R1 MOVW R13, R5 MOVW R14, R6 MOVW R2, (4*2)(R1) /* SB */ MOVW R3, (4*3)(R1) /* global register */ MOVW R4, (4*4)(R1) /* global register */ MOVW R7, (4*7)(R1) /* syscall # */ MOVW TBR, R20 MOVW R20, (4*(32+1))(R1) /* TBR */ AND $~0x1F, R19 MOVW R19, (4*(32+2))(R1) /* PSR */ MOVW R18, (4*(32+3))(R1) /* nPC */ MOVW R17, (4*(32+4))(R1) /* PC */ *** RESTORE R0, R0 /* now our registers R8-R31 are same as before trap */ MOVW R15, (4*15)(R1) MOVW $setSB(SB), R2 MOVW R1, R7 /* pointer to Ureg */ SUB $8, R1 MOVW $SYSPSR, R8 MOVW R8, PSR JMPL syscall(SB) /* R7 contains return value from syscall */ Got turned into: syslink: or %g0, %g2, %o2 syslink+0x4: sethi %hi(0xe0071400), %sp syslink+0x8: add %sp, 0x128, %g2 syslink+0xc: ld [%g2+0x46c], %sp syslink+0x10: ld [%sp+0x8], %o5 syslink+0x14: ld [%o5+0x8], %o1 syslink+0x18: st %g1, [%o1+0xf6c] syslink+0x1c: st %o2, [%o1+0xf70] syslink+0x20: st %g5, [%o1+0xf7c] syslink+0x24: st %g6, [%o1+0xf80] syslink+0x28: add %o1, 0xf68, %g1 syslink+0x2c: or %g0, %o5, %g5 syslink+0x30: or %g0, %sp, %g6 syslink+0x34: st %g2, [%g1+0x8] syslink+0x38: st %g3, [%g1+0xc] syslink+0x3c: st %g4, [%g1+0x10] syslink+0x40: st %g7, [%g1+0x1c] syslink+0x44: rd %tbr, %l4 syslink+0x48: st %l4, [%g1+0x84] syslink+0x4c: and %l3, 0xffffffe0, %l3 syslink+0x50: st %l3, [%g1+0x88] syslink+0x54: st %l2, [%g1+0x8c] syslink+0x58: st %l1, [%g1+0x90] syslink+0x5c: st %o7, [%g1+0x3c] syslink+0x60: sethi %hi(0xe0071400), %sp syslink+0x64: add %sp, 0x128, %g2 syslink+0x68: or %g0, %g1, %g7 syslink+0x6c: sub %g1, 0x8, %g1 syslink+0x70: sethi %hi(0x1c00), %sp syslink+0x74: add %sp, 0x3a0, %o0 syslink+0x78: wr %o0, 0x0, %psr syslink+0x7c: call p9:syscall syslink+0x80: *** restore %g0, %g0, %g0 syslink+0x84: add %g1, 0x8, %g1 syslink+0x88: ld [%g1+0x88], %o0 Notice it moved the RESTORE instruction into the delay slot of the call. In this case this causes bad things to happen, since RESTORE changes the registers (I guess since ka doesn't use windows it is unaware of this special meaning of restore). How can I override this scheduling of the RESTORE instruction? (I'd prefer to let it continue to schedule other statements and not completely turn of scheduling). Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 20:40:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 20:40:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C7B363FF7 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:40:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2415F63BDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12290-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14D8263B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:40:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] assembler scheduling From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:41:09 0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>Eek! The assembler messed with my code. Here's the original going actually, it's the loader kl that does scheduling. use NOSCHED and SCHED pseudo-ops in ka (see /sys/doc/asm.ps, not that there are many more details) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 6 00:14:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 6 00:14:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CC2FC67C5 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:14:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC854C6729 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04257-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F472C6744 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA5FDudv007243 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:13:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA5FDun9019163 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:13:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iA5FDsF05803 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:13:55 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411051513.iA5FDsF05803@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I got several reactions to my suggestion of trying to have a 9con at twente before christmas, so let's see what we can make happen. potential attendees, so far: boyd roberts, devon o'dell, jean mehat, matthias teege, richard miller, sape mullender, mechiel lukkien, axel belinfante open questions I see so far: - how long? - what days? - program? - accomodation? - cost? I'll try to address most of these below. Length: I'm not sure about a good length, so I'm open to (asking for! :-) suggestions (but please, read the remainder of this email first). When: Since no-one indicated strong time constraints it's easiest to meet on working-days. My proposal would be: in case of a single-day meeting: tuesday dec 21, or, in case of a multi-day meeting: 'center' the meeting around that day, starting dec 20, or dec 21 (I have one strong family-imposed constraint: christmas vacation starts sometime dec 23) Program: In the same week, sape will give 3 approx. 2-hour lectures (part of a course on distributed systems), in which he will talk about plan 9 as an example of a distributed system. I guess the first lecture will be some kind of overview, and the two others probably go deeper (sape will correct me if I'm wrong :-) The lectures are scheduled: Dec 20 2004 10:40-12:25 Dec 22 2004 13:45-15:30 Dec 24 2004 13:45-15:30 and 9con attendees would be welcome (as long as we leave enough room for the students :-) So, if people want to come 'early' and hang around for some days, and hear sape's lectures, that would be an option too. Other potential programs topics in no particular order: - I could show you my plan 9 machine(s) :-) (and the coffee room music setup; I _still_ should try to redirfs the sound) - if there is interest, we might discuss a bit about libcontrol (I made some changes for the music stuff, and have some thoughts of refining that, where feedback might be useful) - there are still my LabelledTransitionSystemFS ideas - discuss testing with boyd? :-) - anything more interesting than what I wrote above? :-) Cost: for the meeting itself I anticipate no costs (but all I offer for that is the place to meet - I expect each to pay his own food in the university cafetaria etc.) Accomodation: - I could find our secretary's list of the addresses of hotels and bed&breakfast places - for those who prefer a mattrass (or so) on the floor, we might be able to accomodate a few people at mechiel's place and at my place (within constraints like those imposed on us by those who also live there - in my case wife, two young children, two cats :-) Wifi access: our university seems to have "Europe's largest Wi-Fi hotspot" (according to some web page here) I guess it should be possible to arrange (guest) access, but for that it might be useful to have your mac-addresses in advance. Any other thing I forgot? Please let me know (either here or in private mail). Other topics for the meeting could probably be proposed just as well in 9fans. Most important, let me know (private mail probably best) your ideas about when and how long. Note: I will probably not have email access from nov 10 - nov 24. Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 6 00:51:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 6 00:51:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8FFB639FE for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1854639FB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10831-04-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 81810639F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA5Fob0W015822 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:50:37 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA5FoP6s025042 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:50:25 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA5FoPXT007177 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:50:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:50:25 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pipewrite hi X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Just for grins ... I thought people might enjoy this. pipewrite hi message calling pc is mountio. If I type stuff at rc, and give it invalid commands such as datte, or just hit return, no pipewrite hi message. 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Might be a pain, though. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 00:02:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 00:02:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7107363D01 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:02:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4972639E5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28780-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79C93639E0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so95398wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 07:01:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nMmkEs/Oyvea4N5myifHO4+XrDtUhkrZ18doF0cBUkin62idTNXjQZy0wuaNGahVMRV7CGvS66obN2Y5nXPGRw3r3Hrm5R4q02g+ExJYvbdsaMx3qGMTwnjUaIq8bpIzOmKRh4wqhAZ0gd+PdVSxL0AYFjjSqaj+1PGC8ZsRRuE= Received: by 10.54.21.61 with SMTP id 61mr121761wru; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 07:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:01:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:00:52 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <5c1180c21894f3518a3902ca8a248c87@ipsoluciones.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> <5c1180c21894f3518a3902ca8a248c87@ipsoluciones.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:12:43 0000, gdiaz@online.ie wrote: > I think that cache is your fossil filesystem, so, that 11% > are the files you can see in normal operation. > > if i not missed all of that, venti "generates" your cache > (fossil) in which you can work like normal fs, and when > finish your work , the snapshot will write it to venti fs. Does this mean that after I copy a lot of big files to the plan9 system I have to made a snapshot and then remove the files from fossil and use the venti dump archive instead? I'm not sure if my current fossil/venti setup work as expected because I don't get any output from snap -a. Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 00:16:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 00:16:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C03063A7F for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:16:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CF0731E9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27730-01-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D318631E93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:15:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: mteege@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:15:37 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Does this mean that after I copy a lot of big files to the plan9 > system I have to made a snapshot and then remove the files from fossil > and use the venti dump archive instead? > > I'm not sure if my current fossil/venti setup work as expected because > I don't get any output from snap -a. > > Matthias check out the 'snaptime' command in fossilcons(8). if you want to free up space in fossil just use 'snapclean' or epoch. this is all in the man page. main: epoch low 10170 hi 10447 10170 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1050 10171 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1100 10172 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1110 10173 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1120 10174 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1130 10175 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1140 [...] 10433 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0600 10434 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0610 10435 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0620 10436 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0630 10437 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0640 10438 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0650 10439 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0700 10440 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0710 10441 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0720 10442 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0730 10443 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0740 10444 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0750 10445 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0800 10446 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0810 273 snapshots found with epoch < 4294967295 not setting low epoch main: df main: 227,631,104 used + 12,205,752,320 free = 12,433,383,424 (1% used) main: snapclean 3600 main: df main: 122,077,184 used + 12,311,306,240 free = 12,433,383,424 (0% used) main: epoch low 10301 hi 10447 10301 clri /snapshot/2004/1105/0820 10302 clri /snapshot/2004/1105/0830 10303 clri /snapshot/2004/1105/0840 10304 clri /snapshot/2004/1105/0850 [...] andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 00:28:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 00:28:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8C2063C17 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:28:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A05BA639D8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28780-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17386639C2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:27:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: mteege@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:27:32 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'm not sure if my current fossil/venti setup work as expected because > I don't get any output from snap -a. if you have gigabytes of data on your fossil that isn't on venti then snap -a won't print anything for a very long time and may even hang your computer while it's doing the not-printing part. for example, the big bumps in http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/venti-size-03-04.ps took 6 to 12 hours to snap from fossil to venti. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 02:01:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:01:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:01:02 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Message-ID: <20041106170102.GA25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> <5c1180c21894f3518a3902ca8a248c87@ipsoluciones.com> <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Matthias Teege wrote: > Does this mean that after I copy a lot of big files to the plan9 > system I have to made a snapshot and then remove the files from fossil > and use the venti dump archive instead? Yes, to free space in fossil you need to do an archival snapshot (or to dismiss ephemeral ones). But no, you don't have to remove the file from the active filesystem. [1] Even the active filesystem is stored in venti (after snap -a), not only the archive/ tree. And of course, you can use the files in the active/ tree, you don't have to access them via the the archive/ tree (/n/dump). [1] BTW I realised that the removal of files from fossil does not free blocks immediately (as shown by df). However, they are freed after rebooting. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 02:16:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 02:16:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C53B863C98 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:16:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B2FF63A7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14592-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2101639F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@norge.freeshell.org [192.94.73.3]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6HFv89019076 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:15:58 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6HFvf7026820 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:15:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:15:57 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In /bin there exist two similar entries of executables: One with and one without a leading underscore, e.g. /bin/touch and /bin/_touch. They seem to have different sizes. What is about it? How do they differ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 04:15:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 04:15:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3620B63C35 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:15:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 293ED63BF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17838-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF41D63A87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so195998rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:14:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qkU5p6f+lkB1m2fVaJL02pw1nIbB3XhwYnbhFlpbTvyyq6gvlpwK43+6KzD0GeZiiopd8va3LAkJjPrmcd1ktR3ciaV1iSCvTjJF+2/QF8F6WAPtrgc8NrW3L1cwIpGpW4PUTubEe6037BmeNhjWTck80PigzXlcQ4O5L0qZ5DQ= Received: by 10.38.75.60 with SMTP id x60mr21954rna; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.23 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:14:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80633e2d041106111416e87945@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:14:51 +0000 From: Christian Grothaus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores In-Reply-To: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Grothaus , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > In /bin there exist two similar entries of executables: One with and > one without a leading underscore, e.g. /bin/touch and /bin/_touch. > > They seem to have different sizes. > > What is about it? How do they differ? The ones with the leading underscores are created when you replica/pull from the sources: when there's a new version of /bin/x, replica/pull first executes 'mv /bin/x /bin/_x' so that you can switch back to the old version in case there are problems with the new one. Christian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 04:20:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 04:20:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94D27639F2 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 791B43190E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28492-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F12B731906 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:20:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:20:14 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > What is about it? How do they differ? replica/pull moves the old versions out of the way by changing their names (they could be running), before copying new ones over. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 04:31:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 04:31:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 922B963D1F for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:31:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E00C263C17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15549-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC37563C16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6JUTL1017485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:30:30 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6JUTZT007121 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:30:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:30:29 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores Message-ID: <20041106193029.GA2984@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > replica/pull moves the old versions out of the way by changing > their names (they could be running), before copying new ones over. Ahh. Thanks to both of you. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 04:59:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 04:59:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D528963CA8 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:59:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF38131E48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06275-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B18A62CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6JxGL1008495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:59:16 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6JxGnh027651 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:59:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:59:16 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] how to remove this file X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu There is a file /386/bin/ape/_diff3 on my filesystem. Something is wrong with it. 'check' on the fossil console reports: | error: source has been removed: /active/386/bin/ape/_diff3 -> 3 | fsck: 1 clri, 0 clre, 0 clrp, 0 bclose When I commit the command 'check clri' on the console, fossil immediately commits suicide. I tried to remove the file from the fossil console. It anwers that it is removed but the situation keeps the same. I tried to rm the file from within the shell, but it is said to not exist. There is one version of the file under /n/dump. When I try to copy that back, cp says: "... file already exists". I assume, something went wrong when I copied my venti to another disk (rdarena, writearena). Does the file exist or does it not exist? cp and rm contradict each other. And how to clean this pathological situation? TIA, Heiko From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 06:49:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 06:49:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 706D03196A for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:48:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AC5E63D90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04296-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D23B663D37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041106214746.OQUR7571.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:47:46 -0700 Message-ID: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:47:45 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Is there a plan9 implementation of the RSA plus OAEP padding? I'm loathe to grab the OpenSSL code, as the porting effort seems to be much more than writing my own OAEP padding code, but said code is notoriously tricky to get right... Given such a routine, I'll have a Plan9 application to stream audio to an Airport Express, if that motivates anyone else :-) Thanks, Paul From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 06:58:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 06:58:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFE8A31744 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:58:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A650317A1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02704-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8DFB31744 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:58:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7ab1f555a89f140f1a9b1ef1a173b428@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:58:05 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i want audio streaming as a 9grid service :( i'm tempted to exportfs my /mp3 collection but i heard BL have a much better solution (and more, better, quality music :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:06:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 07:06:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A186AC67EB for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 806C363EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23281-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D2DA63EA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8007137B01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:05:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <010c01c4c44c$1c8df340$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7ab1f555a89f140f1a9b1ef1a173b428@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:01:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >... i heard BL have a much better solution (and > more, better, quality music :) ken's 6:1 (?) lossless audio compression? i reckon that's probably been patented. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:14:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 07:14:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB6E0C0DC for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:14:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1B22BAB4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02704-02-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46670BB9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:13:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:13:53 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <010c01c4c44c$1c8df340$96fb7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ken's 6:1 (?) lossless audio compression? yes, that one. if he's describing it as 'perceptual' then it must be lossy. "Right now, my list has around 35,000 songs, of which I've collected around 20,000. I compress the songs with a Bell Labs-invented algorithm called PAC [Perceptual Audio Coding] and store them on a jukebox storage system. I started this before MP3 was heard of on the network. PAC is vastly superior to MP3. My collection is not generally available because of the legal aspects. I went to legal and told them I was collecting a lot of music, but I don't think they realized what I meant by "a lot." Anyway, they said that in the case of research there's something similar to fair use and that they'd back me, but wouldn't go to jail for me. So I can't release it generally. But it's pretty impressive. It's split-screen like a Web browser; you can walk down lists, years, or weeks." the whole thing is here: http://www.computer.org/computer/homepage/0599/thompson/thompson.htm From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:37:59 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 07:37:59 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CC0463556 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:37:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3787E31A60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23281-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 61A8231A2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA6MbCr4015305 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:37:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6MbBn9016067 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:37:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iA6MbCZ16674 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:37:12 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:13:53 -0700." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:37:12 +0100 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > ken's 6:1 (?) lossless audio compression? > > yes, that one. if he's describing it as 'perceptual' then it must be > lossy. > > I compress the songs with a Bell Labs-invented > algorithm called PAC [Perceptual Audio Coding] and store them on a google turned up: http://www.lucent.com/press/1098/981014.cob.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:57:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 07:57:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80955B681 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:57:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C223C31EAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16321-02-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC216B9B1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so206450rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Nb4FvW4R7KqJX0d/wjhWpTF386X/dPSYNTaoS+sBakO0UXEnKUS5KgKXoyiXRca0CcxPcG3qwnFYb7xWFQvRRnwQ9R6CY7fxF1yoEDPk1gWfmSr7yAj82AcImjVe2PQIKre17NEcAgoPK5N9wjPxFK9VkjBi7sUiFVAPewygUcg= Received: by 10.38.65.42 with SMTP id n42mr1149758rna; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:56:14 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding In-Reply-To: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu pac was the predecessor to aac. ken and sean dorward did a lot of important work to clean up the code, but my understanding is that most of the work of designing the compression algorithms was done outside the cs lab. so calling it ken's is partly true but also misleading. the collection, on the other hand, was entirely ken's doing. i've been using itunes to encode my cds and then using faad to play them under linux. it would not be hard to port faad to plan 9. a few weeks ago, i wrote an acme equivalent of ken's juke box, kind of like acd but driven by a database of audio files instead of a single cd. the whole thing is a handful of shell scripts and is pretty nice. after i iron out some more bugs i will clean it up and put it somewhere for people to play with. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:58:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MmRvy9siaNRawD4KCttbWJHRsaLh4ksUHq/UOFB+TsIBnSUewsgflQ7uHOz2/aMZV/rqsC6diH3Js9ZVXB1XB8LrRv7W6qrC6IB/1EtgkPSsgMWR0YbKqBaFNOVpuPGR42NbLb4oX+ufNkLM/hTn0iPfKw7xkbDs4cSnK6NBesc= Received: by 10.38.163.75 with SMTP id l75mr1151906rne; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:57:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:57:20 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to remove this file In-Reply-To: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu what if you run clri /active/386/bin/ape/_diff3 on the console? russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 08:05:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 08:05:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBE52BBAD for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:05:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED805B8BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16321-02-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A91E5B8AC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 98FE037BC9; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:04:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <012b01c4c454$6996e450$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Russ Cox" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:00:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > so calling it ken's is partly true but also misleading. well, i only heard it as some passing comment or respone to a question i asked in the unix room ages ago. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 08:20:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 08:20:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF78631EB8 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:20:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0F0F31E58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16321-02-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.2.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8482D31E55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (imgw1 [136.159.5.9]) by ensa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA6NES5k001455; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:14:28 -0700 Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6NENQU032043; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:14:23 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:14:16 -0700 (MST) From: andrey mirtchovski To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > i've been using itunes to encode my cds and > then using faad to play them under linux. it > would not be hard to port faad to plan 9. > i have libfaad2 ported as part of a long abandoned attempt at mplayer. i can send you the mkfile if you want. there are only two changes necessary for common.h: #define INLINE #define uint32_t unsigned int From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 09:36:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:35:30 -0800 To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Message-ID: <20041107003530.GA11157@cassie.foobarbaz.net> References: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) From: Christopher Nielsen X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 05:56:14PM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > i've been using itunes to encode my cds and > then using faad to play them under linux. it > would not be hard to port faad to plan 9. not only is it not hard, it's been done. :-) i have a port of faad and faac. i'll see about getting it up somewhere in the next couple days, if people are interested. > a few weeks ago, > i wrote an acme equivalent of ken's juke box, > kind of like acd but driven by a database of > audio files instead of a single cd. the whole > thing is a handful of shell scripts and is pretty > nice. after i iron out some more bugs i will > clean it up and put it somewhere for people > to play with. i've been working on porting several codecs and tools to manipulate my music archive. i have the most recent versions of flac, libvorbis, libogg, and the vorbis tools of interest to me. again, if people are interested, i can clean it up and put it up somewhere. -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 11:50:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:48:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:48:23 -0500 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Message-ID: <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 01:47:45PM -0800, Paul Lalonde wrote: > Is there a plan9 implementation of the RSA plus OAEP padding? I'm > loathe to grab the OpenSSL code, as the porting effort seems to be much > more than writing my own OAEP padding code, but said code is notoriously > tricky to get right... There's already RSA and doing OAEP is not hard. I've done it before when I was stuck in Unix land and didn't want OpenSSL. I'll see if I have code lying around, but it is probably faster to just write it yourself... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 14:18:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 14:18:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 414C731E7E for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:18:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E61231E5D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06415-02-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F9F031E59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041107051735.CTCL21109.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:17:34 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> In-Reply-To: <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've got it just about done, modulo testing ;-) The annoying part is generating the test data using some other library. If you have a nice compliant one just lying around I'd be happy to grab it. Thanks, Paul William Josephson wrote: >On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 01:47:45PM -0800, Paul Lalonde wrote: > > >>Is there a plan9 implementation of the RSA plus OAEP padding? I'm >>loathe to grab the OpenSSL code, as the porting effort seems to be much >>more than writing my own OAEP padding code, but said code is notoriously >>tricky to get right... >> >> > >There's already RSA and doing OAEP is not hard. I've done it before >when I was stuck in Unix land and didn't want OpenSSL. I'll see if I >have code lying around, but it is probably faster to just write it >yourself... > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 17:13:07 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 17:13:07 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B4DB63D09 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:13:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19D4863C9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22009-02-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC56063CA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:12:19 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:12:12 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] venti httpaddr X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, my venti httpaddr is something curious. my system is fossil+venti with 9pcf kernel. I configured in plan9.ini: bootargs=local!#S/sdD1/fossil bootfile=sdD1!9fat!9pcf venti=#S/sdD1/arena and in venti config: term% venti/conf /dev/sdD1/arena # venti/conf -w /dev/sdD1/arena conf index main isect /dev/sdD1/isect arenas /dev/sdD1/arena httpaddr tcp!*!8088 however term% netstat -n .... tcp 0 arisawa Listen 8000 0 :: tcp 1 arisawa Listen 17034 0 :: tcp 2 arisawa Established 25804 17034 127.0.0.1 tcp 3 network Established 17034 25804 127.0.0.1 tcp 4 arisawa Established 25805 17034 127.0.0.1 tcp 5 network Established 17034 25805 127.0.0.1 ... tcp 8000 is presumably actual venti httpaddr but term% hget http://pc:8000/index hget: too many errors with no progress connection refused term% hget http://pc:8088/index hget: too many errors with no progress connection refused term% what's wrong? Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 18:28:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 18:28:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75E1B63D44 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:28:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6131163C6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15060-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta6p.point.ne.jp (mta6.point.ne.jp [210.188.175.75]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BE4663C0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from vc2.point.ne.jp ([211.1.103.129]) by mta6p.point.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20041107092729.OFYZ213.mta6p@vc2.point.ne.jp> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:27:29 +0900 Received: from fvc2-p.point.ne.jp (fvc2.point.ne.jp [210.188.175.77]) by vc2.point.ne.jp (Scanmail) with ESMTP id 6EDA22EFC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:27:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from [192.168.1.8] ([218.230.59.51]) by fvc2-p.point.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20041107092729.UZYM178.fvc2-p@[218.230.59.51]> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:27:29 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3E142420-309F-11D9-8AC4-000393CBA46C@mx6.ttcn.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Fans from Bell Labs of the OS Plan 9 <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: kazumi iwane Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:27:28 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] man pages wanted for flash(3) and flashfs(4) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, I am looking for manual for flash device driver (flash(3)) and flash file server (flashfs(4)). Do they exist at all? thanks, - kazumi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 21:42:39 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 21:42:39 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6293562A35 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:42:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8021A62A36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07256-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 318A662A35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA7Cfxow001879; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:41:59 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA7CfxBZ020763; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:41:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:41:59 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to remove this file Message-ID: <20041107124159.GA15800@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > what if you run > > clri /active/386/bin/ape/_diff3 > > on the console? ahh, thank you. That did it. I am surprised because I thought 'check clri' would do the same. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 22:38:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 22:38:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5119C6395D for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:38:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 240D731EA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22351-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A653C31A4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.117.76.7] (port=2496 helo=pc) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CQnEU-0004FK-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:37:27 +0300 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:36:59 +0200 From: Sergey Reva X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13813222484.20041107153659@mail.ru> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] PXE X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Reva , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello all, I am trying to use pxe loading. I can load 9pxeload and 9pcdisk then start the kernel. When 9pxeload start his try load /cfg/pxe/, what I need put to this file? -- http://rs-rlab.narod.ru mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 22:40:25 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 22:40:25 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6679C318FB for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:40:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1500318EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09794-02-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E827318EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([68.44.82.34]) by plan9; Sun Nov 7 08:39:51 EST 2004 Message-ID: <8371e2e62421b31fd30423cfc9a87cb6@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: rs_rlab@mail.ru, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] PXE Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:39:34 -0500 From: Sape Mullender In-Reply-To: <13813222484.20041107153659@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I am trying to use pxe loading. I can load 9pxeload and 9pcdisk then > start the kernel. When 9pxeload start his try load /cfg/pxe/, > what I need put to this file? /cfg/pxe/ contains the Plan9.ini file. Sape From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 00:38:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 00:38:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52046639AD for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 967EC31A4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23694-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F7B431A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so240479rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=azQaHsbDmpoVZbCbwH+k+mrnCXGrjsDk6RIFRhAyR4w/3wwZMpDfSUo/730cW/YkIfDQGheRjJe1ALEPg3l2c8oWdg9yNpBxO+EKdifXAgDTXTM6tgVbrIQ6XW1NciAgWqHxDMOS936AR7CW9bhnGYkNUSvLdaQhj1T4XctDJfk= Received: by 10.38.73.18 with SMTP id v18mr506087rna; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:03 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Heiko Dudzus , 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to remove this file In-Reply-To: <20041107124159.GA15800@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <20041107124159.GA15800@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ahh, thank you. That did it. I am surprised because I thought 'check > clri' would do the same. well, it probably would have if fossil hadn't suicided. i'll have to look into that -- a separate bug. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 00:41:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 00:41:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F54F63998 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:41:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41D7B62CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24667-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 183B931A4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so240602rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:40:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pQ5j96jNYRkowr0OvDqlFyczokINJd+KTCD2ba+qkXPq5TfleSo6h6czT1LqOEWWStA5Sy/LGBBSdRpFhvLzwbUdryP9HrVdrhaXMAEa1g7kl0gBKsPgwpQtpvYK7by3p3YphUc8HaOWAmRYbydBLjI4ZY9MOGdvC2Wjr4TdUuI= Received: by 10.38.99.33 with SMTP id w33mr1026676rnb; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:40:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:40:28 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti httpaddr In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > term% hget http://pc:8000/index > hget: too many errors with no progress connection refused > term% hget http://pc:8088/index > hget: too many errors with no progress connection refused > term% > > what's wrong? i think when venti gets started at boot it listens on 127.0.0.1 by default, so try http://127.0.0.1:8000/index. that said, your config sure makes it look like it should be using 8088 instead. i'm not sure what's wrong. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 07:59:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 07:59:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E656231EB8 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:59:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF7AB318B2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21283-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D536B317A8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:59:03 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9C54B222-3110-11D9-8E5F-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [9fans] venti httpaddr Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:58:59 +0900 To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello Russ, > i think when venti gets started at boot it listens > on 127.0.0.1 by default, so try http://127.0.0.1:8000/index. > OK, worked. Thanks. Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 08:14:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 08:14:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F04203193B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:14:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF0BA318C2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27448-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D8B3317DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA7NDZKN005549; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:13:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA7NDZn9021637; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:13:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iA7NDYg24535; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:13:34 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411072313.iA7NDYg24535@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 00:13:34 +0100 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] twente9con date poll X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'd like to try to kind of fix the date(s) in the next couple of days (before I'll be away for a while), to allow people to start making travel arrangements. I'm leaning towards one or two days in the 20-22 Dec period. It was suggested to me that offically starting Dec 21 might be a good idea. (as suggested before, feel free to show up earlier or stay longer) So, please state your preferences now (or...) : 1 day 2 day start dec 20 (sape's 1st lecture 10:40-12:25) start dec 21 start dec 22 (sape's 2nd lecture 13:45-15:30) updated list of potential attendees: boyd roberts, devon o'dell, jean mehat, matthias teege, richard miller, charles forsyth, dave lukes, heiko dudzus, sascha wildner sape mullender, mechiel lukkien, axel belinfante Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 11:26:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 11:26:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42B6BAFB2 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:25:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 219AA3197C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00737-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83E9631927 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:24:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:24:33 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] anim or something like it X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Is there a tool for displaying generic information in a graphical form. I vaguely recall anim doing something like it. Google has not been able to find the right place for it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 11:31:28 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 11:31:28 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5289363AA0 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:31:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2641231E54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00716-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B0DF31DA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:30:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3639dd730c7b1d80a87ba68f2451b5e4@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] anim or something like it Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:30:10 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there a tool for displaying generic information in > a graphical form. I vaguely recall anim doing something > like it. Google has not been able to find the right place > for it. is gview(1) what you're looking for? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 15:33:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 15:33:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8895E63D40 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:33:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E4B363BFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10901-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8319331EA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:32:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0f80678b4131e0ae5303b0f6e94c642d@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:32:57 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, INVALID_DATE, J_CHICKENPOX_13, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: *** Subject: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, Trying a SuperMicro P6DGU dual PIII 600 motherboard in my all-in-one fossil/venti/cpu/auth server and have had a few(3) unexpected reboots when running with SMP enabled; the one panic I saw was an fp underflow in fossil. I am running it single cpu at the moment and its seems to be reliable (so far). It could have been a cosmic ray strike, or perhaps I have a duff motherboard (it was free). Anyone running multi cpu x86 servers? if so and they are cpu servers, anyone any idea if the all-in-one architecture might prevoke problems? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 16:47:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 16:47:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAFE463C17 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7BB831DA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14614-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3170031A60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371581340D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:46:32 -1000 (HST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:46:32 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] boot question X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've been reading through the kernel to try to figure this one out but I still don't get it. The port specific data builds an *init* process to fire off the machine. This process does an exec of "/boot". The config file causes a "boot" file to be added to the devroot when main calls links(). However, it looks like the "boot" file is added under the "/boot" directory of devroot, right? How does the exec get to the boot file (/boot/boot? or is it /boot/boot/boot? After I log in to a running system /boot and /boot/boot are directories). Is there some bind/mount operation somewhere that I'm missing? Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 17:01:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 17:01:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39CFE63B5A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 03:01:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D7683177D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 03:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24160-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 03:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 671AF31781 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 03:01:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6fdd6290be95b7b16d1823e66a7e2c69@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot question Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:00:56 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu See /sys/src/9/port/initcode.c. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 19:06:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 19:06:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56B0A63C7A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:06:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 806793192B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00630-01-98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6875231A28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:05:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4eab0b4669b6595bf3558aa620e2d833@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot question From: Charles Forsyth Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:06:37 0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>After I log in to a running system /boot and >>/boot/boot are directories). Is there some bind/mount operation if /boot/boot is a directory, i think something is wrong. term% ls -l /boot/boot --r-xr-xr-x / 0 forsyth forsyth 53396 Jul 1 19:04 /boot/boot From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 19:28:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 19:28:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73B4463D2B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C85663C73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28875-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EACA063C57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so137570wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:27:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gnnp4i6r+d3gbuc0Zl9e6V5bVHyNR9R+FsfIKffLQPgHxwmp62zUbrzkgi8Dmi1KzfPxtb8OxoYysuQKEicWuav60VQJMEjLpqWx031IFppQOS9mHAmfZ+xNmk4+zSnVI+5J6XUsnp8ovdprF2ZHfAXrj9GHTVLJ6Bduvth6Lko= Received: by 10.54.21.61 with SMTP id 61mr228702wru; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:27:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:27:32 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] account for administration? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Sometime I need to change files where the owner/group is adm or sys. I can add myself to this groups with uname adm +me. Is it usefull to use a separate account (meadmin) for administrative tasks or doesn't matter it? I don't wan't to introduce root again so what is the plan 9 way? Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 22:11:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 22:11:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 063F663D6B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:11:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BA8863CA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04841-01-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF51B63C57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:10:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64fac4929c32ee9233cc69f7de5f9328@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:12:48 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores In-Reply-To: <20041106193029.GA2984@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pitkzngbxatvpehviwbuboqwhf" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pitkzngbxatvpehviwbuboqwhf Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it only does it once, and the next run will discard the file saved by the first run, so if you've got long-running systems (and since you're running plan 9, they often are long-running systems once they are running), you still need to worry about it. it's a good question whether the file servers should. --upas-pitkzngbxatvpehviwbuboqwhf Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Sat Nov 6 19:33:11 GMT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BC3563D00 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:31:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E00C263C17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15549-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC37563C16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6JUTL1017485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:30:30 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6JUTZT007121 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:30:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:30:29 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores Message-ID: <20041106193029.GA2984@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > replica/pull moves the old versions out of the way by changing > their names (they could be running), before copying new ones over. Ahh. Thanks to both of you. --upas-pitkzngbxatvpehviwbuboqwhf-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 22:51:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 22:51:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C407163D7F for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47A4063A53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08569-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0923A6399E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so322587rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 05:51:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=cQ6MjpmWObJjVAv0OD1cDru0mSzRGrpYkth78PIaoDQOrNR4zmEKA+4uT9GdMOLCQoNhprfhw1e6NqYF2zCDYhAn0vNCfrVN26DUUg5TGq15eHTLQxwV+wVB+bOu1x9AlJMclijbVGiEzdyK84sqvAol2d09/BjuS1c6jGtgoUw= Received: by 10.38.14.34 with SMTP id 34mr551908rnn; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 05:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:51:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:18 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] account for administration? In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Sometime I need to change files where the owner/group is adm or sys. I > can add myself to this groups with uname adm +me. Is it usefull to use > a separate account (meadmin) for administrative tasks or doesn't > matter it? I don't wan't to introduce root again so what is the plan 9 > way? We just put people who need such power into sys. Adm is really for running the file server and you shouldn't need anyone in that group. Occasionally we've had people who didn't trust their fingers and wanted an "in-sys" account separate from their normal account so that they couldn't make mistakes that affected everyone while doing their everyday work. When they wanted to do admin stuff they logged in as themsys instead of them. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 23:05:25 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 23:05:25 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDCF75EEE for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:05:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2643A63D74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01817-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07A5C63D6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so142323wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Rq2ndEhRusHGnXCJ9+JPDRf4m+wlennBjOIiUluAz8uh938ieFj2UK4JPnqcWldNmg2zO7TxeyvyUeXKasRvv6hykyn90f6+r8/Z3gU/ikGFK3MUMVoY3oKFkSiph9Df58ff+XaOVrzVxoKg5vwUS1fjlXUuCokN1gOpgps54Qg= Received: by 10.54.21.61 with SMTP id 61mr239006wru; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110806043842131c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:04:21 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Russ Cox Subject: Re: [9fans] account for administration? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:18 -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > their everyday work. When they wanted to do admin > stuff they logged in as themsys instead of them. Many thanks, that answers my question. Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 23:12:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 23:12:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4118563D9A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:12:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2693263D85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10223-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F37E86363 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:11:32 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <09ADD018-3190-11D9-92EB-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [9fans] account for administration? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:11:09 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello, > Occasionally we've had people who didn't trust their fingers that't me. mine is. adm:adm:adm: sys:sys:stuff: srv -APW in fossilcons is very helpful. thanks. Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 08:54:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 08:54:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0870063A33 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:54:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D562731775 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21919-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5EDCB31771 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from g (190.newark-10rh16rt-11rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net[12.75.210.190]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2004110823535511100iio5me>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:53:55 +0000 Message-ID: <218e114920947e66683f211f752d2c18@yourdomain.dom> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:59:00 -0500 From: west9@worldnet.att.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica snag antiword files not updated X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu When I do a replica/pull most files seem to be updated normally, except the files in /sys/src/cmd/aux/antiword and /sys/lib/antiword All these files are downloaded twice with the mark "m" each time I replica/pull. ls -l gives the date Nov 25, 2003 for all the files in the aforementioned directories. Thanks in advance - -Tom From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 11:20:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 11:20:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79C7831759 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:20:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31DD5C262 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00088-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BEA63BDC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 135.255.26.23 ([135.255.26.23]) by plan9; Mon Nov 8 21:17:15 EST 2004 Message-ID: <004601c4c5ff$0fd13e00$171aff87@narwhal> From: "Jim McKie" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <0f80678b4131e0ae5303b0f6e94c642d@quintile.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:54:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=J_CHICKENPOX_13, J_CHICKENPOX_56, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Our main fileserver is a SuperMicro dual-pIII, I'm out of town until Friday but I think it is a 370DLE, 933MHz. It has both venti+fossil running and boots standalone with its own fossil partition. We have lots of SMP systems. Make sure you have binaries (including libraries) made recently, there was a compiler bug over the summer that could perhaps cause weird things like fp stack underflow. --jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Simon" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:32 AM Subject: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU > Hi, > > Trying a SuperMicro P6DGU dual PIII 600 motherboard > in my all-in-one fossil/venti/cpu/auth server and > have had a few(3) unexpected reboots when running > with SMP enabled; the one panic I saw was an fp underflow > in fossil. > > I am running it single cpu at the moment and its seems > to be reliable (so far). It could have been a cosmic ray strike, > or perhaps I have a duff motherboard (it was free). > > Anyone running multi cpu x86 servers? if so and they are cpu > servers, anyone any idea if the all-in-one architecture might > prevoke problems? > > -Steve > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 17:16:37 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 17:16:37 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D38A163ABA for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:16:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A9E9639F0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23317-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C5D79639E1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so184209wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:15:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=g3MltvpGyKbFw1d6heQ4B0fv7D+Dpf6tNSYvy9mCuhSyYRt93xByl4LGjM65QqUbnh1mN9awINgwnA5XO7zTQLMPfNbAa1ncD/jLGLArbHRH0hmywP28jwiH3zVdZnmzgNPKCRaLPoF+8op4/KgByZV+fovvdicDEURld/Kx5Yc= Received: by 10.54.54.63 with SMTP id c63mr21799wra; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:15:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110900152323cd6c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:14:44 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110810227a6505f6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a4775604110810227a6505f6@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: terminal network boot problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:22:49 +0100, Matthias Teege wrote: > My cpu/auth/fileserver is up now and I try to boot a terminal (VMWare) > via network/dhcp/tftp. The terminal comes up but after giving the user > name the kernel crashes. Maybe the terminal can't connect to to > fileserver. I can drawterm to crn. I solved this issue. exportfs doesnt run. After mv _il17008 il17008 in /rc/bin/service the terminal comes up. But it only ask for the username not for the password. So I think there is a problem with the auth server to. Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 17:27:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 17:27:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BAD031625 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:27:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00A7017BA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05419-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail45.e.nsc.no (mail45.e.nsc.no [193.213.115.45]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB931C514 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from utelsystems.com (ti131310a080-3342.bb.online.no [80.212.29.15]) by mail45.nsc.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA98QR83002238 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:26:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.170.56] ([192.168.170.56]) by utelsystems.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:26:26 +0100 Message-ID: <41907F32.2020701@Utel.no> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:26:26 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Nils_O=2E_Sel=E5sdal=22?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2004 08:26:26.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDE74A70:01C4C635] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Norwegian kbmap X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Based on the finnish kbmap I made a map for Norwegian keyboards; http://utelsystems.dyndns.org/plan9/no-latin1 , should anyone ever need one. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:24:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:24:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C25A563B34 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:24:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CF6563A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16098-02-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B14F3639AE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:24:06 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:24:05 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 2 GB file limit Thread-Index: AcTGX2ODpidLxAZqTpGVrHlAjtbceA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 2 GB file limit X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi there, is there still a 2 GB limit on file size? I would like to try to write a 9660 filesystem on a DVD disk. Thanks, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:27:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:27:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CCF563A66 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:27:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 361D817BBE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17854-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D4293168E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:26:53 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:26:53 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: cd-rw Thread-Index: AcTGX8duI1eDmOyWQBeBP0g++02MMw== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] cd-rw X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Please, how do I erase a CD-RW?? Thanks, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:29:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:29:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 728F263A57 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:29:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7ED563166E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17854-01-72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CC2B3161D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:28:35 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:28:34 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Index: AcTGYAPlBUxyaC/sQx6f6jYpowSKFQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] (no subject) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hello there, i acknowledge [recent] extension of 'page' - i mean middle button menu - = however, could we have true zooming, not just resampling the old bitmap? = Something like '-p nnn' on the fly... BTW, can I force 'page' to custom bbox when the document [pdf] has = trimmed margin[s]? -b -P desn't help... thanks, best regards, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:31:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:31:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 091AD63A56 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:31:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4978C3168E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16098-02-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDE5131696 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:30:37 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:30:37 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTGYEy6/reVFzF4RjSKn0u2BgP6bA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons >>% mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot >> > Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? fscons complains about '-W' option date of my 'con' is=20 --rwxrwxr-x M 8 sys sys 76131 May 20 14:17 /bin/con if it is relevant. thanks, ++pac Peter A. Cejchan Lab of Paleobiology and Paleoecology Prague, EU http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:34:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:34:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 578C463A62 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:34:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50D3F3168B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28334-03-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01D5C62CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so47575rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:33:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hW01fJRsTWl8yX9sygR8qN4TEBgjMHKFg4qwgAwykcHC3uKiQ5IU7lqRYlVWWmrIssbrl4qUxq0xpXRcrWI8OHLsaihvEXieGDyLgq2/1ggQAoCzmQ4A1YnSilBG5FszBWaQPNYzvccbzTJroWGqiBAbGyh+1hQcqk2TD/2rcQs= Received: by 10.38.164.78 with SMTP id m78mr312734rne; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.23 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:33:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80633e2d04110905334916bf34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:33:57 +0100 From: Christian Grothaus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] cd-rw In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Grothaus , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Please, > how do I erase a CD-RW?? cdfs echo blank > /mnt/cd/ctl # blanks the entire cd or echo quickblank > /mnt/cd/ctl # blanks just the table of contents See cdfs(4). Christian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:37:09 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:37:09 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 319DE63A02 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:37:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02B66639F6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16544-02-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6951962CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.2]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA9DaRvr015287 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:36:30 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9DaRsY023430 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:36:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:36:27 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] cd-rw Message-ID: <20041109133627.GA15727@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > Please, > how do I erase a CD-RW?? Something like this: % echo blank > /mnt/cd/ctl cdfs(4) for further information. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 23:01:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 23:01:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43A453166E for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:01:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7A4831849 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01497-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 513F43176D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA9E0dvr004078 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:00:39 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9E0dZm023891 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:00:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:00:39 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores Message-ID: <20041109140039.GA4040@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041106193029.GA2984@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <64fac4929c32ee9233cc69f7de5f9328@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <64fac4929c32ee9233cc69f7de5f9328@vitanuova.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu C H Forsyth wrote: > Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > replica/pull moves the old versions out of the way by changing > > their names (they could be running), before copying new ones over. > > it only does it once, and the next run will discard the > file saved by the first run, so if you've got long-running systems > (and since you're running plan 9, they often are long-running systems > once they are running), you still need to worry about it. > it's a good question whether the file servers should. Isn't a complete image of the running binaries in the memory (of the machine where it runs on). I ever thought a running program was independent of its file. (I'm not sure if I really should take part of this discussion, because it goes beyond my knowledge and understanding ;-/ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 23:11:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 23:11:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A820963AF5 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:11:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16E2563980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29447-01-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 763EA3175D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: C H Forsyth Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:11:15 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores In-Reply-To: <20041109140039.GA4040@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>I ever thought a running program was independent of its file. not in general, because the kernel reads on demand from the file when a page is required and not already in the image cache. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 23:13:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 23:13:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37C7063AED for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D17EA31E51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01497-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from prunelle.tombob.com (82-41-227-30.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.227.30]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09AE663A9C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:12:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4394c7bfb605e75bbd3dcdc7d4edb471@tombob.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:12:39 0000 From: Robert Raschke In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>> % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons >>>% mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot >>> >> Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? > > fscons complains about '-W' option > date of my 'con' is > --rwxrwxr-x M 8 sys sys 76131 May 20 14:17 /bin/con > if it is relevant. I think somebody mentioned this before. It is very likely that you have an old copy of fossil. I cannot remember when the -W and -P options moved to be parameters to the fscons srv command (they used to be options to the fossil executable itself. Doing a pull and restarting fossil (for example by rebooting :-) might help you. Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 23:17:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 23:17:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C4FD31855 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CD5731817 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29447-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from prunelle.tombob.com (82-41-227-30.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.227.30]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B90CF31783 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:16:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:16:51 0000 From: Robert Raschke In-Reply-To: <4394c7bfb605e75bbd3dcdc7d4edb471@tombob.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I wrote (being a complete numpty :-): > Doing a pull and restarting fossil (for example by rebooting :-) might > help you. That's where you're problem is. Sorry. So, you can try and reboot with your fossil being explicitly started with the -AWP options? Or you could try and start a new fossil -AWP (will that work?) onto a different mount point and grab the new fossil from sources? Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 00:07:54 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 00:07:54 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 702A663B1F for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:07:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 010CB31777 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24855-03-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73F8163A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:07:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <98d07898b0426c9da411ca2f159044d5@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:07:13 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu the fossil and venti binaries are compiled in the kernel for 9pcf and 9pccpuf kernels. just rebooting won't make you run a new fossil, you need to explicitly recompile your kernel. this problem can be solved if one is using two fossils on a pure file server -- one to boot the local machine, the other to be executed from cpurc to serve everyone else. bell-labs use this setup. andrey > I wrote (being a complete numpty :-): >> Doing a pull and restarting fossil (for example by rebooting :-) might >> help you. > > That's where you're problem is. Sorry. > > So, you can try and reboot with your fossil being explicitly started > with the -AWP options? > > Or you could try and start a new fossil -AWP (will that work?) onto a > different mount point and grab the new fossil from sources? > > Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 03:44:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 03:44:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F11163B2B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:44:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1D2231848 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06265-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A96531620 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.117.76.10] (port=1119 helo=pc) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CRay9-000Kyb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:43:54 +0300 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:43:26 +0200 From: Sergey Reva X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8122945078.20041109204326@mail.ru> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] New kbmap X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Reva , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello I am just finished create kbmap for Ukrainian language, and have two question: I think /lib/keyboard include all symbols which Plan 9 can support, but I can't find some cyrillic symbols, this is [ye]-0x0404/0x0454 [i]-0x0406/0x0456 [yi]-0x0407/0x0457. I see codes for this symbols in Windows XP and put it to kbmap, when I test my kbmap I see [ye] [i] (i was surprised because it not listed in /lib/keyboard) but not [yi] (this like symbol 0x00EF in latin). How fix this. Why driver name changed from capital cyrillic P to k? Ukrainian kbmap: http://rs-rlab.narod.ru/ua.kbmap P.S. If you need russian kbmap, I can create it, just say me about this. -- http://rs-rlab.narod.ru mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 04:05:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 04:05:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F4E063B38 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:05:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A905D63AAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25712-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDE6963A59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:05:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: rs_rlab@mail.ru, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] New kbmap Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:04:57 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <8122945078.20041109204326@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I think /lib/keyboard include all symbols which Plan 9 can support, > but I can't find some cyrillic symbols, this is [ye]-0x0404/0x0454 > [i]-0x0406/0x0456 [yi]-0x0407/0x0457. I see codes for this symbols > in Windows XP and put it to kbmap, when I test my kbmap I see [ye] > [i] (i was surprised because it not listed in /lib/keyboard) but not > [yi] (this like symbol 0x00EF in latin). How fix this. the font you're using probably doesn't have all characters implemented. for example the standard font used in the default lib/profiles (/lib/font/bit/pelm/euro.9.font) doesn't have those characters. use the 'unicode' command to verify. 'unicode 0x400-0x500' will print the cyrillic alphabet. you can use any of the unicode fonts there, or download some of the unix ones (10646) i have converted: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/9fonts/ the font i use daily is /lib/font/bit/10646/7x13/7x13.font; here's how cyrillic looks with it: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/cyrillic.jpg > > Why driver name changed from capital cyrillic P to k? it's a completely different driver. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 05:06:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 05:06:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00D68BABE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:06:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E254EAFEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04446-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A3DDAFBE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20C925001 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE7E728; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0500 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] 2 GB file limit Message-ID: <20041109200555.GC98938@mero.morphisms.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 02:24:05PM +0100, cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > is there still a 2 GB limit on file size? I would like to try > to write a 9660 filesystem on a DVD disk. Unless someone has fixed it, dump9660/mk9660 is limited to 2GB, so unless you make the image with something else you're screwed anyway. I talked a bit about going back and fixing it a few months ago, but since Russ and I wrote dump9660 I have moved to using Venti-like things for doing backups. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 06:36:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 06:36:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7300363B55 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:36:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EEA0E63B4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20957-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6074663B4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so119190rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:36:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qQZo7Nxwb6SgTR+w68B9du30fqXrQTAFSHXNSB7empyHTkoRfebyTmWDaCAq5MY02FtaasIS6XyCWqpAoi+vPSkLzg7VSi6uXPt7PLrBY31GsMf7oiZtcrvNY270nvzarIOz0w5xnNxx93PETRO+DD2dPtaq4QfguKnjIeW9MZ4= Received: by 10.38.79.69 with SMTP id c69mr627829rnb; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.77.20 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:36:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7359f04904110913366d96bc93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:36:00 -0800 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme bug In-Reply-To: <2bb38827333b1cce3a88e9c7837bd1b3@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410192035.i9JKZRt24091@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> <2bb38827333b1cce3a88e9c7837bd1b3@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rob Pike , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This one is easy. In src/cmd/acme/edit.c, after the line in collecttext() that reads s->r[s->n-2] = '\0'; add a line s->n -= 2; Sam has zero-terminated strings, acme doesn't. This was a porting bug. This needs fixing in Plan 9 as well as plan9port. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 07:37:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 07:37:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACD1C63B19 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:37:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07D4463996 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17988-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38B153188D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA9MaomS003852 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:36:50 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9MaoLa008399 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:36:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:36:50 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041109223650.GA25207@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] keyboard scan codes X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The today posts about kbmaps reminded of my plan to write one for german keyboards. I've finished that so far, but there is one button which I don't know the scan code of. It doesn't produce a character. It seems as if it produces a scan code which isn't used by us keyboards (and is mapped to 0x0 obviously). Is there a way (other than trial and error) to determine the scan code of the button? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 08:10:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 08:10:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE10163BC1 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CE0A6364F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24432-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED38131720 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA9NA5o8017565 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:10:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA9NA4n9019305 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:10:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iA9NA5w22265 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:10:05 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411092310.iA9NA5w22265@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu (eenmaal... andermaal... let's do it!) ok. let's fix it to a two-day meeting at tuesday dec 21 and wednesday dec 22. The meeting will be at our university in Enschede, the Netherlands. On tuesday we will be in room 5126 of building 'zilverling' (building 11). (wednesday room(s) still to book :-) maybe 10:00 am is a nice time to start? already passing by on monday is fine too (for sape's lecture, or just because your travel schedule gives you some time to kill). guess some (most?) people will be arriving sometime on monday, so maybe we can set up a way to meet on monday (exchange cellular phone numbers? my office phone?) so people can have dinner or drinks together. (as mentioned before, sape will also lecture on dec 24 - staying for that is fine too, even though I will not be there.) The university website lists some practical info, including a map of the university and a sub page on accomodation (hotels and guest houses), at http://www.utwente.nl/en/practical_information/index.html if you need help, let me know - our secretary will at least know which places she usually recommends (but be aware I'll be away from email for the next two weeks). The ``mattrass on the floor'' option at mechiels or my place (maybe 2 or 3 persons at each location) still stands (see previous mail; please contact us in time). I already mentioned the wavelan - people bringing wifi, let me know your mac addresses (and I'll see what I can do). If there are other things you feel should be arranged and I omitted them here - please let me know. Be aware: most likely I'll not be reading email next two weeks! Hope to see you in twente! Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 18:04:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 18:04:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF02863E05 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:03:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E9D363D97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00816-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from salma.pentanet.net (unknown [62.81.241.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D02BB63D41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tachikoma ([150.0.10.26]) by salma.pentanet.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id I6YH5103.562 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:03:01 +0100 Message-ID: <30a77cf3c1592a5565de802269af2f60@ipsoluciones.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:03:01 +0100 From: gdiaz@online.ie In-Reply-To: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > Does this mean that after I copy a lot of big files to the plan9 > system I have to made a snapshot and then remove the files from fossil > and use the venti dump archive instead? > if you haven't enough space in your fossil yes, but remember, that you cannot re-write files to venti, so the only operation you can do with venti-files is read or write a new one. I think you shoul make a fossil enough big to work, and venti enough big to store the snaps from that big-fossil. > I'm not sure if my current fossil/venti setup work as expected because > I don't get any output from snap -a. > snap -a should report vac number, used to generate the cache-fs if needed, (read 9fans archive to obtain more information about vac number and fossil recovery) and remember that snapshots takes a bit of time to complete, so be patient. if you want to test, use history(1) or yesterday(1) commands, they should work. gabi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 19:36:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 19:36:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77F2863DC2 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:36:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8326963D53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21817-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B299963A99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so241326wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:36:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CiKaWvcGpWWvbdtx7HA7Hpk3kTmMoMws/ak1V08PMPMGd5zNwxAkH5rbQ9xBov305LMuc6SIznZ6pOjeklA58+8S7mnzhPYLcXnWqsQTuY6WsYLF3GT+dJHLy6EeKXNhwnm6Bi/8ot2gxEGh/RfEtmnr4VUh2D1vDrPFgqVthOQ= Received: by 10.54.54.74 with SMTP id c74mr162430wra; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:36:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604111002363e1d8236@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:36:13 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <30a77cf3c1592a5565de802269af2f60@ipsoluciones.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> <30a77cf3c1592a5565de802269af2f60@ipsoluciones.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:03:01 +0100, gdiaz@online.ie wrote: > snap -a should report vac number, used to generate the cache-fs if needed, > (read 9fans archive to > obtain more information about vac number and fossil recovery) and > remember that snapshots > takes a bit of time to complete, so be patient. Thanks, after a reboot it works now as expected. It's cool. I also can boot a diskless terminal from the server now. There is only one problem I try to solve. If I boot the terminal, boot ask for a user. I give one and the terminal come up but I can't write anything. So I run auth/factotum and then ' cpu -h crn'. Now factotum ask for user and password and after login I can write files. As I remember correct this should occur at boottime. It should look like this: user[none]: mt version... !Adding key: dom=mteege proto=p9sk1 user[mt]: password: pass time... but in my case (on terminal) it looks like this: user[none]: mt version... time... I read the archives up and down but don't get it. I also check the auth server setup with ndb/query and ndb/csquery as described in http://groups.google.de/groups?selm=1b29e9d763c9f0837eba51e2adcbcd1f%40plan9.bell-labs.com. Must I setup something special to get factotum running at login? Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 21:43:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 21:43:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BAFD63E20 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:43:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAA3363DAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04383-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B80563DAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:42:46 0000 To: mteege@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <88a4775604111002363e1d8236@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, INVALID_DATE, J_CHICKENPOX_35, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: *** Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I wonder if your terminal is running 9disk rather than 9pc as a kernel? check the enrty in /lib/ndb/local, heres a snippet from mine as an example. sys=paris ether=0020af8d6140 ip=192.168.0.3 authdom=home.quintile.net dom=paris.quintile.net bootf=/386/9pc.gz -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 21:46:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 21:46:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9543863DD2 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:46:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B957C52E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01519-01-100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4158BC4C6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:45:59 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:45:57 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTHIzmWEFKThSshTDitSSN5AG4+XA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > >9pccpuf kernels. just rebooting won't make you run a new fossil, you >need to explicitly recompile your kernel. this problem can be solved >if one is using two fossils on a pure file server -- one to boot the >local machine, the other to be executed from cpurc to serve everyone >else. bell-labs use this setup. >andrey perhaps someone has the precompiled kernel? TIA, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 22:03:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 22:03:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32331C4C1 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:03:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F91D63ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04383-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6817C63C0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48fa91a91dec3951895c5ab89a975502@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:02:26 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, INVALID_DATE, J_CHICKENPOX_13, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Ok, I understand a bit better now, I now have had 3 panics and two of them where prevoked. Both these times I just rebooted without halting - very early, just as fossil was comming up. Both times I got an fp overflow and a panic, when I rebooted again afterwards the system came up cleanly. panic (fp overflow) fppc=0x22aab status=0x80c1 pc=0x00022aa9 The problem seems to occur after fossil has checked a dirty filesystem. 0x22aa9 in fossil relates to /sys/src/libc/386/vlrt.c:105 which is _v2d(). Suffice to say my box seems happy now, I have one unexplained crash but I would be happy to put that down to a mains dropout. The above info might help somone else if this bites more severely. -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 22:24:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 22:24:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12B7563B3E for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:24:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DDAA63A40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10864-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB96C63A2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@xm.freeshell.org [192.94.73.22]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAADNi2b014341 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:23:44 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iAADNgYr004264 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:23:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:23:41 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Message-ID: <20041110132341.GA1864@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > >9pccpuf kernels. just rebooting won't make you run a new fossil, you > >need to explicitly recompile your kernel. this problem can be solved > >if one is using two fossils on a pure file server -- one to boot the > >local machine, the other to be executed from cpurc to serve everyone > >else. bell-labs use this setup. > > perhaps someone has the precompiled kernel? TIA, Updated kernels get pulled into /386. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 22:43:06 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 22:43:06 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BCD363D04 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:43:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C62A0C761 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10864-01-87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3F4CC55E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:42:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b46cc686faa291fa66ad80de397dd8d@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:48:17 0000 In-Reply-To: <48fa91a91dec3951895c5ab89a975502@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ootmfwiexpktohloiaqgwlcjfq" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ootmfwiexpktohloiaqgwlcjfq Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'd have said that was an old bug fixed by adding fpclear to l.s and main.c and that kernel is somehow out of date, unless there's a new manifestation. --upas-ootmfwiexpktohloiaqgwlcjfq Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Wed Nov 10 13:05:13 GMT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1FCAA63E7B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:03:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F91D63ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04383-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6817C63C0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48fa91a91dec3951895c5ab89a975502@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:02:26 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, INVALID_DATE, J_CHICKENPOX_13, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Ok, I understand a bit better now, I now have had 3 panics and two of them where prevoked. Both these times I just rebooted without halting - very early, just as fossil was comming up. Both times I got an fp overflow and a panic, when I rebooted again afterwards the system came up cleanly. panic (fp overflow) fppc=0x22aab status=0x80c1 pc=0x00022aa9 The problem seems to occur after fossil has checked a dirty filesystem. 0x22aa9 in fossil relates to /sys/src/libc/386/vlrt.c:105 which is _v2d(). Suffice to say my box seems happy now, I have one unexplained crash but I would be happy to put that down to a mains dropout. The above info might help somone else if this bites more severely. -Steve --upas-ootmfwiexpktohloiaqgwlcjfq-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 01:31:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 01:31:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A34463DDB for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:31:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2E20639E1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26228-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C3E36398D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-239-167.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.239.167]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F0F667959 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:30:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <053d01c4c742$1a076e00$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20041109223650.GA25207@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard scan codes Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:26:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there a way (other than trial and error) to determine the scan code > of the button? the way i did this, 'cos i knew next to nothing about scan codes, was to modify the keyboard driver to spit scan codes. once i undertood what was going on i loaded up various maps to figure out the weird ones. iirc the codes go linearly, left to right, but there are some suprises. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 05:33:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 05:33:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C2DCB5C2 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:32:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B0F5316E5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08209-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCBE8316E6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@xm.freeshell.org [192.94.73.22]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAAKVTE8006912 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:31:29 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iAAKVRmA013350 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:31:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:31:27 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard scan codes Message-ID: <20041110203127.GA10435@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041109223650.GA25207@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <053d01c4c742$1a076e00$96fb7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <053d01c4c742$1a076e00$96fb7d50@SOMA> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu boyd, rounin wrote: > iirc the codes go linearly, left to right, but there are some suprises. This button was one of those surprises. ;-| It sends 86 although its 'neighbours' send 43 and 44. (Finally, trial and error was the quickest way for me) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 05:40:00 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 05:40:00 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D26F8B1C5 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:39:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55BEEAFC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15858-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B033AFDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-213-67.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.213.67]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 386F867136 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006901c4c764$c25342b0$43d57d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20041109223650.GA25207@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG><053d01c4c742$1a076e00$96fb7d50@SOMA> <20041110203127.GA10435@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard scan codes Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:34:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > (Finally, trial and error was the quickest way for me) that's what i found. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 09:46:01 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 09:46:01 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79E7D63A20 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:45:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A454F63A21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23245-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from telesmtp4.mail.isp (pop3.telefonica.net [213.4.129.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AC3463A20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es ([80.26.72.139]) by telesmtp4.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id I6ZORG01.R59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:45:16 +0100 Received: from alcortes by 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CS35P-0000Pc-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:45:15 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:45:15 +0100 From: Alberto Cortes To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs on boot X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi. I have tried with the vmware.zip disk image from plan9 page. I have also install a plan9 from scratch from a 3 ed. CD and a 4 ed. CD. It always hangs at: MBR...PBS...[foo] ELCR: 0E00 apm ax=[foo] dev A0 port[foo] dev A0 port[foo] <--- hangs Also tried the CDROM legacy trick... note i am in Windows XP. TIA. -- http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 11:39:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 11:39:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A035B588 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2E71AF85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00609-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34F06AF1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so305384rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=rRZ6bXtk5tN5rA18Ig4c77vmoRaNp0U3LuWwzis1NUx7DiKEYMDB3g9UA9YYH0HOR/0yHsZqNUhfgrQEP5YJXKJ76abRgLkoZQxZxh6nskbhQLnz7rlI5TX6W8YIekcqj2Nrdi1DAYRsJ1Pc+7Zz418wxofeaZfhZBsWfS1waAE= Received: by 10.38.78.13 with SMTP id a13mr510271rnb; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:04 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs on boot In-Reply-To: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu try removing the cd drive entirely, or at least disconnecting it on startup. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 12:01:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:00:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:00:22 +0100 From: Alberto Cortes To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs on boot Message-ID: <20041111030022.GA10590@shire> References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:04 +0000, Russ Cox wrote: > try removing the cd drive entirely, or > at least disconnecting it on startup. I removed it from the vmware settings, but it did not solve the problem. Tomorrow i will try to disable the CDROM on the vmware BIOS, but any other ideas will be appreciated. -- http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 16:47:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 16:47:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C61763DAD for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:47:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53668318A7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10720-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE92331855 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iAB7kTQM011838 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:46:30 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:46:28 +0200 To: "Russ Cox" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs on boot References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Message-ID: From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:46:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 07:46:28.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DB097C0:01C4C7C2] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > try removing the cd drive entirely, or > at least disconnecting it on startup. Do you know, why it helps? (Just curious.) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 19:30:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 19:30:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3545863DE6 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:30:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC74763C26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13989-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 552CC63AF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-213-67.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.213.67]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 17118671D9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:29:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00a801c4c7d8$b5f60880$43d57d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs onboot Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:25:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Do you know, why it helps? (Just curious.) boot device search sequence? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 19:34:32 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 19:34:32 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63CEF63DE7 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:34:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E002963C75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13989-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FFFF63C62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iABAXlhS013649 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:33:47 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:33:46 +0200 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs onboot References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> <00a801c4c7d8$b5f60880$43d57d50@SOMA> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:33:56 +0200 From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00a801c4c7d8$b5f60880$43d57d50@SOMA> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 10:33:46.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECA0AC40:01C4C7D9] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Do you know, why it helps? (Just curious.) > > boot device search sequence? > 9load stalls somewhere collecting partitions. Booting from CD goes just fine, the problem surfaces only when booting from HD and there is also a CD drive. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 22:02:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 22:02:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0930863E1C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:02:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C99C263D35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14749-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from telesmtp4.mail.isp (pop3.infonegocio.com [213.4.129.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D062363C0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es ([80.26.72.139]) by telesmtp4.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id I70MUX01.5WD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:01:45 +0100 Received: from alcortes by 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CSEa8-0000HW-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:01:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:01:44 +0100 From: Alberto Cortes To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs onboot Message-ID: <20041111130144.GA921@shire> References: <00a801c4c7d8$b5f60880$43d57d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:33:56 +0000, Tiit Lankots wrote: > 9load stalls somewhere collecting partitions. Booting > from CD goes just fine, the problem surfaces only when > booting from HD and there is also a CD drive. Yes, that is exactly my problem. The kernel from the CD can be used to boot, just: [1. Boot Plan9 from this CD] option on the CD's plan9.ini but it can't not mount the root filesystem from the HD, only the read-only fs from the CD, so i can not get a "fully" working system. -- http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 23:54:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 23:54:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E45F63C75 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 939076364D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06403-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08A8131E4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so76721wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:52:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jb2//U0xLHp8AF2ht+hWHldVuYtFOfPZEzTAQ1q3qcVzsGajsPgjVXDG+xusVQxLonvrXnyhbAW++/B+/7Vl7oNBrTmbYCik8VHC72EB/U6Ui6XKk3Koq5BeovZ1U1Jaamwyf+0JoIw8yxk5IGkE61B/9Q+z3xzlADZ4zPPxpns= Received: by 10.54.54.63 with SMTP id c63mr195579wra; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:52:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604111106524cb037@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:52:57 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] debugging boot process X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Because of my problem with the terminal login I try to get a better understandig of the terminal boot process. Is it correct that factotum is startet from boot if I have /386/bin/auth/factotum in the bootdir section of my kernel config? Man 8 boot says, that boot ask for username and password. Is it correct, that boot don't ask for a password if I have /386/bin/auth/factotum in the bootdir? What causes factotum to ask for username and password at boottime? Thanks, Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 13 14:42:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 13 14:42:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A33E6398D for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:42:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F34831790 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00881-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B3F031787 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97CC17236 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:41:57 -1000 (HST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:41:57 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] latest vmware release X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I just uninstalled and reinstall vmware and I guess I am running a newer version now: 4.5.2 8848. The first thing I noticed is that I cant boot plan9 if the cdrom is attached. I remember seeing this come across the mailing list before. Any idea why the latest vmware and plan9 dont get along here? Next thing I noticed is that my cursor no longer roams freely in and out of the vmware window. Is the plan9 support for vmware's mouse tied to a particular version? I can live with the nuisance of having to click some keys to get out of the window, but losing cut&paste will be a real blow. (On a related note, has anyone played with the vmware 5 beta with plan9?) Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:06:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:06:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FAD1B5F5 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:05:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E389B63C76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27999-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF22A63C73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:04:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:06:04 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Ok, I'm going to use drawterm with WinXT on my new IBM T42. My notebook is using wireless network (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG), and I got success to login through this device to an our CPU server. Then, I ran acme, yes, no problem... However, I have no middle button control. How I can do this. I have two kinds of point device, (1) IBM pointing rod with two buttons+scroll buttons and (2) two button mouse pad. I'm using the first device. Thanks in advance. By the way, I suppose this wireless device is not supported yet. Am I correct? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:11:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:11:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFBD5B918 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:11:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49B73B915 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28988-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5BE17B912 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39322 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 02:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 02:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 02:10:47 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA12Akq171954; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:10:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:10:40 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon Nov 1 11:05:37 JST 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > Ok, I'm going to use drawterm with WinXT on my new IBM T42. : > However, I have no middle button > control. How I can do this. SHIFT + right button is your friend. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:14:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:14:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 164BC639FD for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:14:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F28FB915 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26863-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91DA0B912 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:13:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6de018f371d113fcfea50540c7fcfee1@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:14:49 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > SHIFT + right button is your friend. No, I don't like this. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:21:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:21:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A3B463CFC for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:21:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B66BBBBA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27999-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 376D9BAC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-88-47.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.88.47]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CE5A671A9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:20:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <015a01c4bfb8$dee19570$2f587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6de018f371d113fcfea50540c7fcfee1@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:16:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > SHIFT + right button is your friend. > > No, I don't like this. i saw a cool, expensive, small, VAIO laptop today with a 3 button mouse, but it had a pointing stick :( From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:38:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:38:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D62B63BED for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:38:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FA9363C6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27999-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDEC263BED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:37:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4da8527b8efc85999be133d60e94892a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:38:51 +0900 In-Reply-To: <015a01c4bfb8$dee19570$2f587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i saw a cool, expensive, small, VAIO laptop today with a 3 button mouse, but it had a pointing stick :( Stick, yes, T42 has this, and the middle button is for scroll, I don't know what it is called though. I want to use this scroll button as the ordinal middle button. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 11:58:23 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 11:58:23 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C6FB63CFC for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:58:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63EF931EBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10053-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C37943175D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:57:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5a118cc7ab20e86cfffb9c018ef4cc1d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:59:07 +0900 In-Reply-To: <4da8527b8efc85999be133d60e94892a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By the way, I tried to use marsv through this wireless LAN (56M), and found it's fast enough to show them to students while in my lecture... The remaining problem is it does reach only short distance.=E2=98=BA Our construction has square shape like below: A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D || || || || B =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D It doesn't reach from A to B in the same floor, sigh. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 12:25:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 12:25:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D02863D38 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:25:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04D9E63D03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16576-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0DC2B63D00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59477 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 03:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 03:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 03:24:49 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA13Omq176466; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:24:48 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <16ae616bd98623357da6c487432c06ee@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:24:49 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] `Get rewrite.gateway' in acme fails X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, Executing `Get rewrite.gateway' in /mail/lib/rewrite window fails in recent acme with following error: can't open /mail/librewrite.gateway: '/mail/librewrite.gateway' does not exist seems a slash has fallen out somewhare. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 15:23:26 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 15:23:26 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEB0863D57 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:23:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A8F463D01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04858-02-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1EFB31E4E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:22:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18a403abd6a18147b1115b6737be63bd@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TV/FM tuner From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:24:02 +0900 In-Reply-To: <581bc88cda41c67b12b3a60732fd0d39@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Now, I put the Fusion_878A chip to a cpu server, and import to every terminal the device. Now, we can watch TV from anyterminal with a 878A device. However, the Fusion 878A chip has no independent audio processor, and just has it locally, you cannot import TV audio device. checked hardware: KWorld: KW-878F AOpen: VA1000Plus Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 16:14:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 16:14:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 628F663D65 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:14:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C60F63C5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01125-02-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C954318D8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:13:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <457cde7f3bd9af59e2e6652eb6aa2d2a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TV/FM tuner From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:14:51 +0900 In-Reply-To: <18a403abd6a18147b1115b6737be63bd@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Now, I put the Fusion_878A chip to a cpu server, and import to every terminal > the device. Now, we can watch TV from anyterminal with a 878A device. Then, I checked drawterm with TV. I logged into the cpu server, which has Fusion 878A device in the kernel, through the wireless (56MB) network using WinXP, and binded '#'V to /dev, then, tv -n1 -l! Wow, I can see the TV on the drawterm window, which is slow though. Hmm, interesting! Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 16:37:51 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 16:37:51 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D450263D8C for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:37:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3272663D40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09585-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69B7363D47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:37:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <90a80c1eb44472e5229709a2bbb912a4@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TV/FM tuner From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:38:33 +0900 In-Reply-To: <457cde7f3bd9af59e2e6652eb6aa2d2a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Wow, I can see the TV on the drawterm window, which is slow though. Slow for 640x480x16 window, of course. >the wireless (56MB) network Sorry, 54MBps (802.11g). Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 17:03:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 17:03:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFEB163D79 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:03:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2109163D53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25915-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D484132E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so117364rnk for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:03:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oswEpWgFowI563R88m1j6lNJhGQGIJpO8ZhK/mLPlZJYMJKRdEV1vKxyCwUsUTSMeFGtBxCntu79eeViM7OZbwAUcnebFamErly8PodAEPJxpOCQTF6ALko0gIRnUPxcktQCkQsghKSAbSE1bRMdO9uPEL50txjHzJ80OQKbXMk= Received: by 10.38.150.61 with SMTP id x61mr587588rnd; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.77.20 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:03:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7359f04904110100037c497bb4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:03:17 -0800 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] `Get rewrite.gateway' in acme fails In-Reply-To: <16ae616bd98623357da6c487432c06ee@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <16ae616bd98623357da6c487432c06ee@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rob Pike , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Sorry about that. Fix: add if(dir.nr>0 && r[dir.nr]!='/' && n>0 && arg[0]!='/') r[dir.nr++] = '/'; after the call to free(dir.r) in getname() in /sys/src/cmd/acme/exec.c . -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 17:18:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 17:18:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 664FF63D29 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:18:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19DD163D06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09585-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A65B863BF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so117939rnk for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:18:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=I4mPVkkkhnDiHpH8wF4utNaEhDpSXpLoS/90KEtYfxsv88LqfXjonDUjkMF3CIlVFS9CuPv9GZTMfHNecM1YBhN+1AClWZBrBoTD1YXAEQCOlQZodm2UDVtCzIbaA2zCeHc7IBafSYt+E/Lu5GW5dstgXQ8DfKK0rDix3p6G5Ok= Received: by 10.38.66.10 with SMTP id o10mr601466rna; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.61 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:18:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80633e2d04110100182eda7aea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:18:13 +0100 From: Christian Grothaus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Grothaus , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:06:04 +0900, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > Ok, I'm going to use drawterm with WinXT on my new IBM T42. > > My notebook is using wireless network (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG), > and I got success to login through this device to an our CPU server. > Then, I ran acme, yes, no problem... However, I have no middle button > control. How I can do this. On my thinkpad (R40), if have to disable the touchpad in the bios in order to make the third button work. Christian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 17:29:42 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 17:29:42 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A6D9B8B0 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:29:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC690B03A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09585-01-99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C162EB015 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:28:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9811822e9d339475cfb7ff1a03428747@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: christian.grothaus@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:30:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: <80633e2d04110100182eda7aea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On my thinkpad (R40), if have to disable the touchpad in the bios > in order to make the third button work. In T42, the third button is working as it is expected with the default setting. (I don't like touchpad.=E2=98=BA) Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 17:58:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 17:58:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 934CD3188B for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:58:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A4D431733 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07525-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13B053172B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 03:58:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <06e5bfa04fafcc2b27ce47bf93f5cf47@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: christian.grothaus@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:59:20 +0900 In-Reply-To: <80633e2d04110100182eda7aea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On my thinkpad (R40), if have to disable the touchpad in the bios > in order to make the third button work. Inspired by your suggestion, I searched into WinXP mouse setting, and found the way to make scroll function off. It solved my problem. Now I can use scroll button as middole button. Thanks a lot! Kenji --a beginner of WinXP and Thinkpad=E2=98=BA From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 22:10:29 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 22:10:29 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 05CFC63EBF for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:09:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C4DD63DD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28724-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E99D63DB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:08:45 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:08:43 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTAE+m+LMMlobKIQVGhmX6ARdYW/Q== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu on fossil: term% replica/pull /dist/replica/network mount: can't open /srv/replica: '/srv/replica' file does not exist clientmount: mount 428: open term%=20 What am I missing? 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Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 1 23:19:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 1 23:19:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 396216181 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:19:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07873612C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20643-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93EB66120 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:18:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:18:49 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > on fossil: > > term% replica/pull /dist/replica/network > mount: can't open /srv/replica: '/srv/replica' file does not exist > clientmount: mount 428: open > term% stale /srv/replica, just run it once more and it'll be fine. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 02:24:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 02:24:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0412F63DF0 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2FB16104 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16883-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5155C63D06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HLiK6009509 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:47 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HLXdA001507 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:33 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HLWXT022674 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:32 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > I have two kinds of point device, (1) IBM pointing rod with two buttons+scroll > buttons and (2) two button mouse pad. I'm using the first device. turn off the damned mouse pad (in the bios). you get middle button back then. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 02:32:29 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 02:32:29 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEF56B514 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:32:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE211AFEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06005-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D5D0AFAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so154381rnk for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:31:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pRg0Ecj910131Ju4DIG6xAtkpKnBek/J3Jc5BYjUNdSyc6QIoFk59R8zreLpV7sX8g9ZC8jC268IsClXJ8yqKrce2he5Zm3TrZa3Vy7XEnUzVGYWjf/zRugTu/b2cAb3Jtce9SBFmx1BaHCmZ1fbMEbYOn1/RAyF1rE2xw1JlWQ= Received: by 10.38.150.61 with SMTP id x61mr860345rnd; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:31:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:31:48 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i don't believe you have to do that. i've posted instructions for hacking around this in the xp registry a handful of times. search the archives. russ On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:21:32 -0700 (MST), Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > > > I have two kinds of point device, (1) IBM pointing rod with two buttons+scroll > > buttons and (2) two button mouse pad. I'm using the first device. > > turn off the damned mouse pad (in the bios). you get middle button back > then. > > ron > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 02:39:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 02:39:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 445A131736 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:39:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 76AD26AF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15622-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AEA4AFEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HcTbG013332 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:38:29 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HcIFc009645; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:38:18 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA1HcIXT023824; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:38:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:38:18 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > i don't believe you have to do that. > i've posted instructions for hacking around this > in the xp registry a handful of times. search the > archives. sorry, I did not read fast enough. These were linux instructions ... maybe there is a way in linux to get 3 buttons + glide, but I annoyed with the glide pad anyway and turned it off. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 10:07:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 10:07:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9847863E56 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:06:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F74B63D0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07442-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DDFF63CF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:06:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: russcox@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm + scroll button mouse on IBM T42 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:07:42 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > search the > archives. Sorry, I haven't payed any attention to WinXP, because I'd never believed I may be one of that user.=E2=98=BA Now, I'm forced to... Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 10:40:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 10:40:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F56563D5F for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:40:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4A5563D4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17178-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A529663D0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041102013946.SPQP10717.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:39:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4186E561.2050707@telus.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:39:45 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've been trying to get my Plan 9 installation to boot either from power on (I use grub as my boot loader, and the disk in question is on #S/sdD0, and that boots fine that way), or from vmware (where if I mount both disks, I get grub, select my plan 9 option, and it boots fine). The catch comes that most of the time my machine comes us as linux, and I want it to reboot that way automatically. If I'm slow on the uptake in vmware, it tries to boot my linux partition and things go to hell in a handbasket. I'd like to set up my vmware machine to use my machine's /dev/hdc as #S/sdC0 so that I can use the mbr on that drive to get into plan9 directly when using the vm. Doing so, boot requests a root drive and user, then prints: time... fossil(#S/sdC0/fossil)...fsOpen: open /dev/sdD0/fossil: '/dev/sdD0/fossil does not exist' etc, ending in a panic: boot process died: unknown. Where is this reference to /dev/sdD0/fossil encoded? In asking for the root it correctly prompts with [local!#S/sdC0/fossil], and I would expect to try opening that instead of sdD0. Any ideas? Thanks, Paul From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 10:55:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 10:55:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C933763DFF for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:55:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F15663C25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17178-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C332863D3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4230 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 01:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 01:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 01:54:33 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA21sWq242938; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:54:32 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:54:31 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue Nov 2 10:40:21 JST 2004, Paul Lalonde wrote: > fossil(#S/sdC0/fossil)...fsOpen: open /dev/sdD0/fossil: > '/dev/sdD0/fossil does not exist' : > Where is this reference to /dev/sdD0/fossil encoded? Your fossil configuration branded into fossil partition might contain sdD0 like: % fossil/conf /dev/sdC0/fossil (or any other fossil partition) : fsys main config /dev/sdD0/fossil : You might need to change the line and brand it to the partition with fossil/conf -w again. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:09:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:09:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B08A63E2E for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:09:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62B5E63AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17178-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8EB4263C22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041102020832.TOCS10717.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:08:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4186EC1F.5040904@telus.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:08:31 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu And so it is; and that means that my vmware/bare machine dual boot scheme is doomed to failure ;-) Am I right in assuming that there's no hook for changing it in the boot sequence? Is there a better to do what I'm looking for? Thanks, Paul YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: >Your fossil configuration branded into fossil partition >might contain sdD0 like: >% fossil/conf /dev/sdC0/fossil (or any other fossil partition) >fsys main config /dev/sdD0/fossil > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:22:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:22:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DBBE63DE0 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA7D563D38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14536-02-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 164ED63D0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:21:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:21:44 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <4186EC1F.5040904@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu you can use one of the older configurations files, /sys/src/9/pc/pcfl which incorporate a shell and a script in the kernel. it is much trickier to configure and ends up with a massively bigger kernel, but it gives you the ability to choose where to boot a fossil from (essentially you decide what config file it boots with every time you start up). it may be more work than you're willing to do. if you get stuck email me privately and i'll give you sample configs. andrey > And so it is; and that means that my vmware/bare machine dual boot > scheme is doomed to failure ;-) > Am I right in assuming that there's no hook for changing it in the boot > sequence? > > Is there a better to do what I'm looking for? > > Thanks, > Paul > > > YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > >>Your fossil configuration branded into fossil partition >>might contain sdD0 like: >>% fossil/conf /dev/sdC0/fossil (or any other fossil partition) >>fsys main config /dev/sdD0/fossil >> >> From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:46:47 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:46:47 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B455363D9D for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:46:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CDA563A9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27126-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D863639C1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:46:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:46:24 +0900 In-Reply-To: <4186E561.2050707@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I've been trying to get my Plan 9 installation to boot either from power > on (I use grub as my boot loader, I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it before... Only LILO can live with Plan 9. Am I wrong? Things improved? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:49:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:49:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00A8363C5 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:48:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA93063D14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27126-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D214363C22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041102024805.UIRW10717.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: <4186F563.9020700@telus.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:48:03 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Thanks for the offer Andrey, but Takeshi found me a much simpler answer: I built a small virtual disk with a MBR and 9fat system to act as ide0:0, and now it works perfectly. I was overlooking the obvious :-) I'll avoid doing the piles of config work, and do penance by putting together a trivial wiki page about it. Thanks all, Paul From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 11:54:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 11:54:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74B2263DF8 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7024E63CF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14536-02-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes47.telusplanet.net (outbound03.telus.net [199.185.220.222]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CFFC63D66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041102025237.MQAR22968.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:52:37 -0700 Message-ID: <4186F675.8010400@telus.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:52:37 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've had no problems with grub - it squeals a bit about the unrecognized partition, but all of the grub script is root (hd1, 0) chainloader +1 My plan9 partition is on hd1, partition 0. Paul Kenji Okamoto wrote: >>I've been trying to get my Plan 9 installation to boot either from power >>on (I use grub as my boot loader, >> >> > >I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it >before... Only LILO can live with Plan 9. Am I wrong? Things >improved? > >Kenji > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 12:25:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 12:25:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 163EE63E11 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:25:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF72763D66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07762-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F55363D5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:24:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91a0b78a6030d86eee53093c0f8fd852@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:24:51 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> I've been trying to get my Plan 9 installation to boot either from power >> on (I use grub as my boot loader, > > I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it > before... Only LILO can live with Plan 9. Am I wrong? Things > improved? > > Kenji i'm booting p9 with grub fine. russ has posted instructions on how to set it up in the past, i can repost my config. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 13:25:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 13:25:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6ABFD63E01 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:25:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2827963DF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21372-01-81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7834563DEB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellsouth.net ([65.4.255.240]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with SMTP id <20041102042430.SVZL2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:24:30 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: blstuart@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:46:24 +0900 . Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:12:09 -0600 Message-Id: <20041102042430.SVZL2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In message , Ken ji Okamoto writes: >I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it >before... Only LILO can live with Plan 9. Am I wrong? Things >improved? I've been using it quite happily. My grub config for Plan9 is set up pretty much the same as for Windows and I've got PBS set up in the first sector of the Plan9 partition. BLS From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 21:22:36 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 21:22:36 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 949DE63FDB for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:22:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E5F763EF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01538-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7D5463C10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-103.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.103]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D4B0F67312 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:21:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <024401c4c0d5$d5acdfa0$67fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:16:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it > before... i got into grub hell a while back, so i resorted to BFI; i formatted the _whole_ disk. VAIO re-installs are really easy and quick, so that compensated a bit for the grub woe. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 22:35:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 22:35:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35D3663F2C for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:35:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08AC063D03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20690-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A85D63B30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:34:54 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:34:53 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: plumbing on served fs Thread-Index: AcTA4Lu+NEy7AHSsRVSBUo1dekVh0A== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plumbing on served fs X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi all! I have a problem: when I mount ISO9660 CD under /n/cd, start acme from the same namespace 3-click on /n/cd/test.ps, the file appears as src text in acme frame, instead being plumbed to page. cp /n/cd/test.ps . and 3-click on test.ps behaves OK. The same holds for other non-textual filetypes (jpg...), also on ext2fs served files. Is this correct behavior? If so, why? Thanks, regards, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 2 23:04:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 2 23:04:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8199C63F05 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:04:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF6AD63F05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00137-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C6E563F09 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so240000rnk for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 06:02:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HVKAAG+l0Abo636m2bopyCLCeFAg/412LGQwX+gyDoofb0ZDHjW/jJxlpfgZpNm/dO1ONWV18bLrv4wZiCIs2oPke2uQMgEWGgWve0J7b69fiEVMGnHH17xpG65F8t67ceo7Jwtsc+urlFDo+lmac/InPeuypX8+LMNyc2F8azo= Received: by 10.38.193.1 with SMTP id q1mr28391rnf; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 06:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:02:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:02:25 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plumbing on served fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is this correct behavior? If so, why? it happens because when you mount the cd that happens in just the window you're using and not anywhere else. in particular, it doesn't get mounted in the plumber's name space, and so asking the plumber about /n/cd/test.ps fails, so acme falls back to its own defaults -- in this case just opening the file. others have posted some tricks with srvfs to work around this. instead of those, i just tell the plumber to do the mount too. i type Local 9fs cd in an acme window and then middle-click it (execute in acme) and right click it (send to plumber). with this plumb rule: # stupid rule to run programs kind is text data matches 'Local (.*)' plumb to none plumb start rc -c $1 russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 17:29:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 17:29:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BC37C6750 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:29:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8DA363F49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00163-02-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F1C763F44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so138963wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UBOyBb2Vl1SK2mh23JFNDoSTbVvWs7K6k3nqB6jnW8GD7SDdS+VsMJlR0J4tQfUQBrBVZ8uGG2a5iCpjEYHIbqopyDNNMedjH/wsVuYtXK74sKC+biVooYJJUWUGSG4OkbyR2kQZ5TTuu4wh8F+Hg/J8AYE4uAqO5EKoSIouSpY= Received: by 10.54.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr307354wru; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:27:43 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] venti crashes at startup X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Moin, I try to setup venti with the following procedure: venti/fmtarenas arenas /dev/sdC0/arenas venti/fmtisect isect /dev/sdC0/isect venti/fmtindex venti.conf I can run venti/venti -w. Then I put 'venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas' in plan9.ini and it crashes on boot. I use the 9pccpuf kernel. What do I missing? Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 17:39:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 17:39:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 003BC63F9A for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:39:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2E0D63EC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00163-02-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ADBFA63EB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:39:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5d802b35cc0ae4d0c8e9d02c7bbd8e32@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:40:59 0000 To: mteege@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zodnvitryakjbqbdyfcleqqcwd" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zodnvitryakjbqbdyfcleqqcwd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have you done venti/conf -w ...? otherwise venti won't know its configuration --upas-zodnvitryakjbqbdyfcleqqcwd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Wed Nov 3 08:31:36 GMT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88AEBC67AF for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:29:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8DA363F49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00163-02-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F1C763F44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so138963wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UBOyBb2Vl1SK2mh23JFNDoSTbVvWs7K6k3nqB6jnW8GD7SDdS+VsMJlR0J4tQfUQBrBVZ8uGG2a5iCpjEYHIbqopyDNNMedjH/wsVuYtXK74sKC+biVooYJJUWUGSG4OkbyR2kQZ5TTuu4wh8F+Hg/J8AYE4uAqO5EKoSIouSpY= Received: by 10.54.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr307354wru; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 00:28:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:27:43 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] venti crashes at startup X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Moin, I try to setup venti with the following procedure: venti/fmtarenas arenas /dev/sdC0/arenas venti/fmtisect isect /dev/sdC0/isect venti/fmtindex venti.conf I can run venti/venti -w. Then I put 'venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas' in plan9.ini and it crashes on boot. I use the 9pccpuf kernel. What do I missing? Matthias --upas-zodnvitryakjbqbdyfcleqqcwd-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 17:59:38 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 17:59:38 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B075B63F95 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:59:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1850663D2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09593-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 128F763DAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iA38wtKR015821 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:58:55 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:58:55 +0200 To: "Matthias Teege" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:58:54 +0200 From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2004 08:58:55.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[58F3B660:01C4C183] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Then I put 'venti=3D/dev/sdC0/arenas' in plan9.ini and it crashes on > boot. I use the 9pccpuf kernel. What do I missing? Seems to me that you forgot to add venti to the boot directory (see the end of the kernel config file). P.S. It's "what AM i missing", not "what DO i missing" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:04:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:04:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 876B863F31 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:04:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 067B863F02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07618-03-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C66F63ECF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:03:13 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:03:12 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: page pdf problem Thread-Index: AcTBg/JAEjfub7nVTJ+XISWu3Q4vMg== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] page pdf problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi, on some pdf documents, page does apparently shift the bounding box = downwards, so that upper part of the page gets cut-off, independently of -b -P = switches. Of the same pdf document, pdf2ps creates OK ps doc, however, it is = graphic internally so that pstotext does not extract anything [it's a problem of gs, = however [I think]] any hint?? pdf doc available on request if sb is interested. thanks, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:23:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:23:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B5DFC671A for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:22:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B38C75E30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20292-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B9E1863 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:21:45 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:21:45 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTAE+m+LMMlobKIQVGhmX6ARdYW/QBcn0xQ From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu simply repeating replica/pull /dist/replica/network didn't help. Did you mean it so? ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:28:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:28:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69566BBA0 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E768BB8C3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20292-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4FD15B5B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so140317wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:27:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=OKIS4x+Zy6XN+XnbLwl92t7/SMwcKv/EAVj3f/GXfm6reSfnxHIAHtWeOg7JDO2B3Oma5P0m1aWtSg9TO9x83lMMmQXNFYaTYYcVfbej0TzDQdL2yKOtyT+/M+qOFdCp5nz8qO+sNvl1SNPEU9tBG5ZVDY/6TJ9IO/d5yKAbFcg= Received: by 10.54.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr310430wru; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:27:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:26:33 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: C H Forsyth Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:40:59 0000, C H Forsyth wrote: > have you done venti/conf -w ...? > otherwise venti won't know its configuration No. After do venti/conf -w venti.conf plan9 try to boot from local!#sdC0/fs but it crashes. I only can boot from local!#sdC0/fossil. My plan9.ini now looks like this: [menu] menuitem=vnt, from venti menuitem=fsl, from fossil [vnt] bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas [fsl] bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/fossil bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fossil ... Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:36:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:36:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE846BD96 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:36:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39E88BD96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22618-01-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70514BAA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so140515wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:35:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LAmY3RBd/kpGge6j01Mkc1UuF5yaQKrcWSjouZ10L0zbmAyNhW6/UoRvzCyk1xFvIxfjAi0aRhXoAB6FK5P0CK5X7OeUlF/q9LrymS6FMO0VVlQ7AbNYY7yoeTFF+cKc/pKlJpJ+irBiU9TUlyXpflsWzo434kamaB6OM9muXyY= Received: by 10.54.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr310877wru; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:35:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110301352b38a73b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:34:57 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Tiit Lankots Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:58:54 +0200, Tiit Lankots wrote: > Seems to me that you forgot to add venti to the boot directory > (see the end of the kernel config file). % ls /boot /boot/boot /boot/factotum /boot/fossil /boot/ipconfig /boot/kfs /boot/venti % tail -n 7 pccpuf bootdir bootpccpuf.out boot /386/bin/ip/ipconfig /386/bin/auth/factotum /386/bin/disk/kfs /386/bin/fossil/fossil /386/bin/venti/venti anything wrong? > P.S. It's "what AM i missing", not "what DO i missing" Many thanks Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 18:48:21 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 18:48:21 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8791063A6E for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:48:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0C5531E58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22618-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2873231A29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:47:43 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:47:42 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: pdf2txt Thread-Index: AcTBiinQ4aoFOtYUTb60LH66wJw3ZA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pdf2txt X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi, looking into src of 'page', it seems that pdf docs don't go to GhostScript, but are treated internally. Would it then be a problem to have something like 'pdf2txt'? cat doc.pdf | pdf2ps | ps2a (or the like) doesn't work apparently due to pdf2ps. Or, hoe do YOU index your pdf docs? Manually?? thanks, ++pac --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 19:48:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 19:48:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2258663FBC for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:48:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4606D63F56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07730-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BF20B02C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA3Alab6026538 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:47:36 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3AlaWk024665 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:47:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:47:36 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Message-ID: <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Matthias Teege wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:40:59 0000, C H Forsyth wrote: > > have you done venti/conf -w ...? > > otherwise venti won't know its configuration > > No. After do venti/conf -w venti.conf plan9 try to boot from > local!#sdC0/fs but it crashes. I only can boot from > local!#sdC0/fossil. My plan9.ini now looks like this: It's because you don't set bootargs and bootdisk in your venti section of plan9.ini, I think. > [menu] > menuitem=vnt, from venti > menuitem=fsl, from fossil > > [vnt] > bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf > venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas > > [fsl] > bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf > bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/fossil > bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fossil Put the 2 lines at the end into a section named [common]. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 20:43:42 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 20:43:42 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B3AB163A4D for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:43:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A92A63A59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22735-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAA1663A44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@norge.freeshell.org [192.94.73.3]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA3Bh15Z003884 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:43:01 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3Bh17N001549 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:43:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:43:01 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Message-ID: <20041103114301.GA21201@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > on fossil: > > term% replica/pull /dist/replica/network > mount: can't open /srv/replica: '/srv/replica' file does not exist > clientmount: mount 428: open > term% > > What am I missing? No idea.. I don't know why it could fail this way (if you didn't modify /dist/replica/network). Try to execute the clientmount function of the sript manually: % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons % mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 3 21:26:21 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 3 21:26:21 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A724463F93 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:25:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4487A63F6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26150-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C7B163F61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:24:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4da86f650eaafaa7cf0cf6fdab87a7b1@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:30:38 0000 In-Reply-To: <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > have you done venti/conf -w ...? > > otherwise venti won't know its configuration > > No. After do venti/conf -w venti.conf plan9 try to boot from i hope you meant venti/conf -w /dev/sdC0/arenas ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:54:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7B5A63B53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23571-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84DE163B4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q1so80616rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:53:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ZtTBLEkYLS9yt0mPm7lH4V3a0SEt1YXUOP5k3xQaYKF4kG5v1Z1jREiIy+ZZxn1GevmTtDH0lnPhYrNeK7UL1UoRtVMOExdp9CBQ51T6DxOyeZBnNpln2uaSvpVtIEF/Fn2bRRLUduUOKIhgEa77vS+8iCApbrxhJEYKix0oxtk= Received: by 10.38.15.65 with SMTP id 65mr1020973rno; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 04:53:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:53:42 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pdf2txt In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > looking into src of 'page', it seems that > pdf docs don't go to GhostScript, but are treated internally. they go to ghostscript. > Would it then be a problem to have something like 'pdf2txt'? > > cat doc.pdf | pdf2ps | ps2a (or the like) > > doesn't work apparently due to pdf2ps. you could look at the xpdf tools, which include a pdftotext. > Or, hoe do YOU index your pdf docs? Manually?? i don't. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 01:03:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 01:03:03 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 282F131E3D for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4E9163E7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07894-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDD8D63E26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so154791wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:01:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=f87KSohDifE+tpITF6bIR1pd7z64kzb86Qd03AxpDygkV5/fzUiX4lmA/PTtxoIoeCUfP3top/AicjstR93v8Ti/15s+nJRlbRZEa6jPsIqjIQvWARAWIt+Ht9c9SgfSxQEvE9NpBzqT32/OXxWloMcZ605j1VaeWK17B4xGK3Q= Received: by 10.54.39.26 with SMTP id m26mr341358wrm; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:00:09 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:47:36 +0100, Heiko Dudzus wrote: > It's because you don't set bootargs and bootdisk in your venti section > of plan9.ini, I think. Ok, my plan9.ini looks like this now: bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/ bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/ venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas ... The server comes up and I see the 'venti' message. ps ax | grep venti | wc -l gives 3. I make a snapshot with con /srv/fscons sys main snap -a but 'df' shows me that 11% of the write cache is used. I can see the snapshot after 9fs dump und /n/dump. Isn't the wriet cache cleaned automaticly? Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 01:14:01 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 01:14:01 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D83463EBA for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:14:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6ABF563A7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10452-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.telecinco.es (unknown [62.81.224.137]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 227FF60E7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [62.81.241.26] (helo=salma.pentanet.net) by mail.telecinco.es with esmtp id 1CPNY4-0008At-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:59:48 +0100 Received: from tachikoma ([150.0.10.26]) by salma.pentanet.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id I6M2DD00.H4G for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:12:49 +0100 Message-ID: <5c1180c21894f3518a3902ca8a248c87@ipsoluciones.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:12:43 0000 From: gdiaz@online.ie In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ainjxhkmpvnjfytlfnllvtfncc" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ainjxhkmpvnjfytlfnllvtfncc Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello, I think that cache is your fossil filesystem, so, that 11% are the files you can see in normal operation. if i not missed all of that, venti "generates" your cache (fossil) in which you can work like normal fs, and when finish your work , the snapshot will write it to venti fs. so you never will see an empty cache unless that fossil does not contain your plan9 system disk. you can create a fossil for the system and other fossil for other purposes. That will allow you to empty that fossil completly. I am not sure if you can dump two fossils to one venti, but i suppose yes. gabi --upas-ainjxhkmpvnjfytlfnllvtfncc Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-bounces+gdiaz=online.ie@cse.psu.edu> Envelope-to: gdiaz@online.ie Delivery-date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:02:41 +0000 Received: from [130.203.4.6] (helo=mail.cse.psu.edu) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPNar-0004iy-4C for gdiaz@online.ie; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:02:41 +0000 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B82CB8F2 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4E9163E7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07894-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDD8D63E26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so154791wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:01:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=f87KSohDifE+tpITF6bIR1pd7z64kzb86Qd03AxpDygkV5/fzUiX4lmA/PTtxoIoeCUfP3top/AicjstR93v8Ti/15s+nJRlbRZEa6jPsIqjIQvWARAWIt+Ht9c9SgfSxQEvE9NpBzqT32/OXxWloMcZ605j1VaeWK17B4xGK3Q= Received: by 10.54.39.26 with SMTP id m26mr341358wrm; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:00:09 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+gdiaz=online.ie@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+gdiaz=online.ie@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:47:36 +0100, Heiko Dudzus wrote: > It's because you don't set bootargs and bootdisk in your venti section > of plan9.ini, I think. Ok, my plan9.ini looks like this now: bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/ bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/ venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas ... The server comes up and I see the 'venti' message. ps ax | grep venti | wc -l gives 3. I make a snapshot with con /srv/fscons sys main snap -a but 'df' shows me that 11% of the write cache is used. I can see the snapshot after 9fs dump und /n/dump. Isn't the wriet cache cleaned automaticly? Matthias --upas-ainjxhkmpvnjfytlfnllvtfncc-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 01:42:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 01:42:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B91A963E9F for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:42:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B00F63E87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10446-02-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DEFA63E26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@norge.freeshell.org [192.94.73.3]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA3GfAsn002189 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:41:10 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3GfABV002065 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:41:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:41:10 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Message-ID: <20041103164110.GA26709@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <88a47756041103002858d7e6d@mail.gmail.com> <38c3fbecc91da8da2200ca416342ca86@vitanuova.com> <88a4775604110301272a599a0@mail.gmail.com> <20041103104736.GA7923@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Matthias Teege wrote: > Ok, my plan9.ini looks like this now: > bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuf > bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/ > bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/ > venti=/dev/sdC0/arenas > ... btw, bootdisk is deprecated. It isn't necessary if you use bootargs. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 08:25:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 08:25:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9AAE063E74 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:25:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67C8E63A71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10356-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF15363A6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.133]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C4D79378E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:24:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00bc01c4c1fb$b5d3b880$594cdfd5@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:20:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] vga nVidia GeForce FX Go5200 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu so, i'm being lazy. do we support this? it's for a Dell Inspiron 5160 [internal network card unknown]. -- MGRS 31U DQ 52572 12604 , From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 08:48:25 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 08:48:25 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E21CE63C9F for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:48:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1A6463B5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09330-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FC7663B36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so198885rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:47:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=VD7LOKf03GmyOqRlDnnJcsmdJqMTUuQe7cJQdQ/Lx4R5u9yGZ8i3Hi4Yh5ohChqJcM/5g8hTYDtOLa67E11iB+0jyqL7vEAH/PgcZCn57DHTEeFfnvcaLk8zOoUJl494SWwpNSWvpq3WjhPp4C3u4YtB5Q+hTFkcZIjjSylkSKQ= Received: by 10.38.177.35 with SMTP id z35mr1379530rne; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.9 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:47:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204110315475ace698e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:47:38 +0000 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] vga nVidia GeForce FX Go5200 In-Reply-To: <00bc01c4c1fb$b5d3b880$594cdfd5@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <00bc01c4c1fb$b5d3b880$594cdfd5@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:20:22 +0100, boyd, rounin wrote: > so, i'm being lazy. do we support this? > > it's for a Dell Inspiron 5160 [internal network card unknown]. Yes. I'm using one in a Plan 9 terminal. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 08:52:59 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 08:52:59 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3416D63B11 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:52:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3756563AB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29620-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E23763A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-88-133.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.88.133]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 172D0671C5; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:52:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00c901c4c1ff$9b62ef30$594cdfd5@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Vester Thacker" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <00bc01c4c1fb$b5d3b880$594cdfd5@SOMA> <32a656c204110315475ace698e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] vga nVidia GeForce FX Go5200 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:48:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Yes. I'm using one in a Plan 9 terminal. cool. the gunny rocks! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 09:10:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 09:10:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A955963B19 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:10:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C06F963FF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09564-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.248]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5735463B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so168901cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:09:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AVme+2bNsGbbySTpufs7dQwCg2y6iOiEgqgq5KW/Gkmmp4zn8z1G3cFiybJOjgigEcdyYSME15PFE/EdyVo/YmtsauNs7KyS5jnx4c77c+G/LpuRxMfMzPADDQ/Emm5rcxw0u8CshBXd1ETk4mfz5GIfKQL9mOD0t2QDWImofP0= Received: by 10.11.100.11 with SMTP id x11mr177357cwb; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:09:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604110316096418c219@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:09:34 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] latest version of drawterm for mac os x X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello, I don't even remember where I downloaded this program anymore but I would like to get the latest version as the one I have loses all it's fonts when doing things like "replica/pull". Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 10:57:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 10:57:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26AF363B35 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:57:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A737863B3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03552-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C01563B2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:56:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting Plan9 standalone and in vmware From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:58:47 +0900 In-Reply-To: <024401c4c0d5$d5acdfa0$67fb7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> I think grub is not compatible with Plan 9 loader when I tried it >> before...=20 My experience was that I used no disk for Plan 9, and just for Linux and tried to use grub on this situation. Here, Plan 9 should be booted from floppy, and Linux would be booted from disk. After all, I gaved up to use grub, and now I'm bootin Linux from floppy, too. sigh... What for Linux? Because I'm using it to watch DVD movie.=E2=98=BA Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 13:35:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 13:35:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8482763E68 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C4CC963A8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05693-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C1E963AED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so199136rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:35:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hl1664rAtTEnr6Pd8hhRlwM7o8cHxHkwaLw6PtfYpeqfxS2Gjg2GtLsbZuLcTvVY1Z8fCiRQUhLqWuuHSbGjkRD9FCZd63M3uLVCXDc7FEEXOegx2B4xgTH0oMUmy81/wFIYPtr6+E/V3ufqKiPuVPNrMtI13rx5jwuicWTfE7w= Received: by 10.38.77.25 with SMTP id z25mr1533219rna; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.9 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:35:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204110320352adc73ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:35:13 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Plan9.jp has established a Plan 9 support/advocacy mailing list for the Plan 9 community in Japan called "9fans". 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From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:04:13 +0900 In-Reply-To: <32a656c204110320352adc73ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-umsvzzwrxisovyppvskzoyubhn" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-umsvzzwrxisovyppvskzoyubhn Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oo--, well. Garbage.=E2=98=BA Kenji --upas-umsvzzwrxisovyppvskzoyubhn Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.103.2]) by diabase; Thu Nov 4 13:37:17 JST 2004 Received: from intrepid.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp (intrepid.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.248.13]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3p2+/3.7W-04071317) with ESMTP id NAA03951 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:35:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from washington.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by intrepid.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA44ZWIs021429 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:35:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by washington.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA44ZVPR015481 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:35:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA1DF63DDA for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C4CC963A8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05693-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C1E963AED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so199136rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:35:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hl1664rAtTEnr6Pd8hhRlwM7o8cHxHkwaLw6PtfYpeqfxS2Gjg2GtLsbZuLcTvVY1Z8fCiRQUhLqWuuHSbGjkRD9FCZd63M3uLVCXDc7FEEXOegx2B4xgTH0oMUmy81/wFIYPtr6+E/V3ufqKiPuVPNrMtI13rx5jwuicWTfE7w= Received: by 10.38.77.25 with SMTP id z25mr1533219rna; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.9 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:35:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204110320352adc73ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:35:13 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Plan9.jp has established a Plan 9 support/advocacy mailing list for the Plan 9 community in Japan called "9fans". To subscribe, send an an email to "9fans-owner@plan9.jp" with the word "subscribe" in the subject. -vester --upas-umsvzzwrxisovyppvskzoyubhn-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 17:23:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 17:23:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED36B63F7D for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:23:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BBB663DA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17515-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAB6A63B66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:22:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <818f1f56cc41e80872a720e800e87001@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:24:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: <32a656c204110323532855da1e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In a natural case of such mailing-list, there would appear someone who can write Japanese behave like an expert of Plan 9, and say others "Ken said something....", in fact, s/he has no relation to Ken. Others who never read such that of this mailing-list think it may be. That's a usual story of such mailing-list. Be carefull all persons here what are they told in 'isolated' mailing-list. Isolated from the persons who cannot read Japanese, but developping Plan 9. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 17:30:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 17:30:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B96FE63D35 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:29:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5B7F639BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00921-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C4CE7639D3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8845 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 08:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 08:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 08:29:02 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA48T1q407862; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:29:01 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:28:48 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu Nov 4 17:23:17 JST 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > In a natural case of such mailing-list, there would appear someone > who can write Japanese behave like an expert of Plan 9 I'm glad if p9 community in Japan grows that large. Anyway, > Be carefull all persons here what are they told in 'isolated' mailing-list. Let's join the japanese 9fans list and be watchful for sake of others'. :) -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 17:46:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 17:46:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC19663E70 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:46:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4448963D35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17515-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C37263B95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:45:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e4b284b320c959a7461d2766ac8e796@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:47:12 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Let's join the japanese 9fans list and be watchful for > sake of others'. :) I'm prety much sure most posts are how to install the Plan 9.. I have no interest on such things. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 18:26:26 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 18:26:26 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF63063FE1 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:26:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E9DD63FE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19116-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2B2D63FE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:25:44 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1e4b284b320c959a7461d2766ac8e796@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> References: <1e4b284b320c959a7461d2766ac8e796@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FAB1F83-2E43-11D9-9C17-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:25:42 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello, > I'm prety much sure most posts are how to install the Plan 9.. That are important posts for 9fans, and I'm pretty much sure you also started from such posts. Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 4 22:44:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 4 22:44:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B771131E60 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:43:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32418C2AB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22819-02-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78FCFBAA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:42:43 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:42:41 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTCdCfo+1qEj9b4SYOBXIAnc7bzdQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons > % mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot > > Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? that's it! err message was usage: 'srv -Adp replica' however , -Adp didn't work either, I had to remove all options, and = voila! thanks, regards, ++pac Peter A. 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Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pipewrite hi 80107fd4 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is on Xen/Plan 9. I'm still seeing these, even though I keep thinking I've fixed it. Any comments on what to look for are welcome :-) ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 02:11:32 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 02:11:32 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C898C670C for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:11:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4FE3B63F2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04352-01-93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FF8863EF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:10:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:10:25 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ctrl-d and rio X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu When I run a user level fileservers, eg my own cifs and then close the window with ctrl-d the window doesn't close, I have to use rio to delete the window. This doesn't happen with the likes of ftpfs. At first I though I was holding /dev/cons open so I close fds 0, 1, and 2 and lsof shows me I only have the network connection (and /dev/bintime) open. why don't my programs cleanup nicely? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 02:22:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 02:22:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17B0063A0E for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:22:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D072D31A29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07835-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38074639C0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:21:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <334ef3045cd1529b82e0bf9767ba99f5@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ctrl-d and rio Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:21:33 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i've seen the same problem when starting the plumber in a new namespace. ctrl+d doesn't close the window, but if i hit 'del' (and kill the plumber) it goes away. it's very easy to reproduce. never been bothered by it enough to look at the cause and assumed it's just open file descriptors. still, i am interested in hearing explanations/solutions. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 03:47:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 03:47:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D24163FCC for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:47:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91FA863623 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19290-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEC1763620 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:46:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <09bc4af6170d58bf7301230f8f37b748@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ctrl-d and rio Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:52:40 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <334ef3045cd1529b82e0bf9767ba99f5@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > never been bothered by it enough to look at the cause and assumed it's > just open file descriptors. still, i am interested in hearing > explanations/solutions. this has nagged at me too in the past, so i just had a look into it. there are two reasons (in in the plumber case, at any rate) why the shell window doesn't disappear correctly. the first is a bug in /sys/src/cmd/plumb/fsys.c:/^startfsys procrfork(fsysproc, nil, Stack, RFFDG); should be: procrfork(fsysproc, nil, Stack, RFFDG|RFNAMEG); otherwise the process serving the plumbing namespace is also holding that namespace open. but even with that fixed, the plumber automatically creates an entry in /srv. this holds the 9p pipe to the plumber open even when the shell holding the plumber's namespace exits. removing the /srv file allows the window to disappear correctly (a rio window only exits when the window's namespace is no longer referenced). so, assuming the first fix, plumber rm `{cat /env/plumbsrv} would be sufficient (although an option suppressing the /srv posting would likely be preferable). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 04:06:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 04:06:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 447E163C1F for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:06:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD70A63B5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21421-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 749F963B49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ctrl-d and rio Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:11:34 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <334ef3045cd1529b82e0bf9767ba99f5@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu this reminds me. if i wish to run a command in the background from a window without stopping the window from closing automatically when the shell terminates, is there a simpler way than: @ { rfork n unmount /mnt/wsys /dev unmount /mnt/wsys exec mycommand < /dev/null > /dev/null >[2] /dev/null & } ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 04:52:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 04:52:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 11CA163B5F for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:52:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48FA163A2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00748-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A86363A35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so302777rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=GoK/XK32sCXIqzloE1dcUVIvDeoGCKcWlVpsGnnlUmOIcieMECpwhHaqp8voMgnysLZCeGu6SRJWCrzk6LY2qMHagKF7gFU610bOj9+CAkxpqZPaYyd9j4XoOTn0kombIFZ/50qhOYXDxKDmH0V2E5WIfr4I2QQ+uVK4ySaDM2w= Received: by 10.39.2.34 with SMTP id e34mr525604rni; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:51:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:51:48 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pipewrite hi 80107fd4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > This is on Xen/Plan 9. > > I'm still seeing these, even though I keep thinking I've fixed it. > > Any comments on what to look for are welcome :-) you're running spl hi when you shouldn't be. the problem is likely nowhere near the pipe code. look for code fiddling with spl that you have changed recently. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 05:24:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 05:24:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BB1463C1F for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4903D63A9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00648-01-88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E15763A79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA4KOCSH019160 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:24:12 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4KOCUR005201 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:24:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:24:12 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Message-ID: <20041104202412.GA19500@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > > % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons > > % mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot > > > > Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? > > that's it! err message was > usage: 'srv -Adp replica' > > however , -Adp didn't work either, I had to remove all options, and voila! Did you use a very old version of fossil? Usually, one needs the flags AWP to circumvent authentication, disable permission checking and allow arbitrary changes to owner and user fields when doing a pull. The d flag causes fossil to delete a service. That's definitely not wanted for the clientmount. ;-) You can use it after the pull was successful. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 05:32:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 05:32:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D4AF63E93 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:32:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B277D63B60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01814-01-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1B9363A54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA4KVY4Q022402 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:31:34 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA4KVMZx012370; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:31:22 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA4KVMXT032498; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:31:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:31:22 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pipewrite hi 80107fd4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > you're running spl hi when you shouldn't be. that much I knew :-) it's definitely my screwup. but thanks ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:11:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:11:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A72C63AA0 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:11:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE53163A70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20678-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF9E863A5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:10:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:12:19 +0900 In-Reply-To: <7FAB1F83-2E43-11D9-9C17-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > That are important posts for 9fans, When I was a grad student at Kyoto Univ., I was taught from my supervisor we should contact with the original author not second one when we have to learn somthing. This is very important point here. Here, we can contact with those persons, we lost Ken, however, Rob is still responding to our questions, and others. When you find something such a good question, who can reply in "Japanese mailing-list"? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:17:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:17:03 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFB4863FB8 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:17:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9AAEC63EF0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07215-01-75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8409463E9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 16EC067192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:16:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c4c2d4$861c6680$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:12:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > When I was a grad student at Kyoto Univ., I was taught from my supervisor > we should contact with the original author not second one when we have > to learn somthing. This is very important point here. only if you are a hard core, .jp, inflexible dingbat. omae dakara, wakaranai yo!! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:26:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:26:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17B0463AE0 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:26:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E065A63AE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21121-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7F7463AE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:25:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:25:46 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > we lost Ken Did we ever have Ken? At any rate, we can still read Ken. Also, I agree spliting 9fans is not a good thing. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:28:04 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:28:04 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7821963FE1 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:28:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B989163B8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21121-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5985D63B83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:27:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:29:24 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> we lost Ken > > Did we ever have Ken? Long time ago, I saw his posting here, if my memory is still fine. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:31:01 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:31:01 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EF5F63FEB for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:31:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C66F63F2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20678-01-88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E509763E2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57616 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 01:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 01:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 01:30:14 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iA51UDq462193; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:30:13 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:30:04 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri Nov 5 10:26:04 JST 2004, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Also, I agree spliting 9fans is not a good thing. Please don't think establishing a japanese 9fans list as splitting. There are certain numbers of people who are reluctant or unable to read/write foreign languages. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:35:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:35:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65F7C63B77 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:35:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08EF263E2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22452-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7FC263B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A5EA6713A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:34:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002801c4c2d7$1b720170$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:30:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Please don't think establishing a japanese 9fans list as splitting. > There are certain numbers of people who are reluctant or unable to > read/write foreign languages. yup. i believe that is the purpose from what the gunny has said. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:36:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:36:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2103163FEB for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:36:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D141463F5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21121-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33DF163B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:36:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:38:14 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Please don't think establishing a japanese 9fans list as splitting. > There are certain numbers of people who are reluctant or unable to > read/write foreign languages. However, such people cannot develope Plan 9. Please don't confuse "develope" means writing program. Developping is a design thing, I believe. If we can force Rob to speak/write Japanese, it's the best way for Japanese. Unfortunately, Rob must be busy for more important things, I suppose.=E2=98=BA Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 10:44:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 10:44:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1137DC671A for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:44:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B06EB63AF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21121-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62C2A63ACF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F5DF67192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:43:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003a01c4c2d8$53f2ebd0$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Japanese "9fans" mailing list established. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:39:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > If we can force Rob to speak/write Japanese, it's the best way for > Japanese. you have no idea of the difficulty of the problem. english is easy to learn. japanese takes ~5 times as long to learn as any 'european' language and THAT is before your come to the the writing: - romaji - hiragana - katakana - kanji 800/2000/6000 and then there's technical japanese. not to mention all the business protocol. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 18:49:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 18:49:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FC2DC67E0 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:49:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6723C6760 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08282-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7466163FB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:48:44 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:48:39 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTDHKCFysUXo+r1Ta+wtMJRgRASFg== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> usage: 'srv -Adp replica' >>=20 >> however , -Adp didn't work either, I had to remove all options, and = voila! >Did you use a very old version of fossil? maybe of June, or so? >permission checking and allow arbitrary changes to owner and user >fields when doing a pull. > >The d flag causes fossil to delete a service. That's definitely not >wanted for the clientmount. ;-) You can use it after the pull was >successful. i did pull -s, restored config files, and it seems to work. should try = another pull now, though... [nice to see the development moving so rapidly forward, indeed!] ++pac --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.786 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 532 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 29. 10. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 19:06:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 19:06:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4AB29C67A1 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E307C675E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12631-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC134C6742 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BFD1347E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:05:32 -1000 (HST) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:05:32 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] assembler scheduling X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Eek! The assembler messed with my code. Here's the original going into ka. Notice the *** line: TEXT syslink(SB), $-4 MOVW R2, R10 MOVW $setSB(SB), R2 MOVW $mach0(SB), R14 MOVW (4*2)(R14), R13 /* m->proc */ MOVW (4*2)(R13), R9 /* m->proc->kstack */ MOVW R1, (KSTACK-UREGSZ+4*1)(R9) /* SP */ MOVW R10, (KSTACK-UREGSZ+4*2)(R9) /* SB */ MOVW R5, (KSTACK-UREGSZ+4*5)(R9) /* PROC */ MOVW R6, (KSTACK-UREGSZ+4*6)(R9) /* MACH */ ADD $(KSTACK-UREGSZ), R9, R1 MOVW R13, R5 MOVW R14, R6 MOVW R2, (4*2)(R1) /* SB */ MOVW R3, (4*3)(R1) /* global register */ MOVW R4, (4*4)(R1) /* global register */ MOVW R7, (4*7)(R1) /* syscall # */ MOVW TBR, R20 MOVW R20, (4*(32+1))(R1) /* TBR */ AND $~0x1F, R19 MOVW R19, (4*(32+2))(R1) /* PSR */ MOVW R18, (4*(32+3))(R1) /* nPC */ MOVW R17, (4*(32+4))(R1) /* PC */ *** RESTORE R0, R0 /* now our registers R8-R31 are same as before trap */ MOVW R15, (4*15)(R1) MOVW $setSB(SB), R2 MOVW R1, R7 /* pointer to Ureg */ SUB $8, R1 MOVW $SYSPSR, R8 MOVW R8, PSR JMPL syscall(SB) /* R7 contains return value from syscall */ Got turned into: syslink: or %g0, %g2, %o2 syslink+0x4: sethi %hi(0xe0071400), %sp syslink+0x8: add %sp, 0x128, %g2 syslink+0xc: ld [%g2+0x46c], %sp syslink+0x10: ld [%sp+0x8], %o5 syslink+0x14: ld [%o5+0x8], %o1 syslink+0x18: st %g1, [%o1+0xf6c] syslink+0x1c: st %o2, [%o1+0xf70] syslink+0x20: st %g5, [%o1+0xf7c] syslink+0x24: st %g6, [%o1+0xf80] syslink+0x28: add %o1, 0xf68, %g1 syslink+0x2c: or %g0, %o5, %g5 syslink+0x30: or %g0, %sp, %g6 syslink+0x34: st %g2, [%g1+0x8] syslink+0x38: st %g3, [%g1+0xc] syslink+0x3c: st %g4, [%g1+0x10] syslink+0x40: st %g7, [%g1+0x1c] syslink+0x44: rd %tbr, %l4 syslink+0x48: st %l4, [%g1+0x84] syslink+0x4c: and %l3, 0xffffffe0, %l3 syslink+0x50: st %l3, [%g1+0x88] syslink+0x54: st %l2, [%g1+0x8c] syslink+0x58: st %l1, [%g1+0x90] syslink+0x5c: st %o7, [%g1+0x3c] syslink+0x60: sethi %hi(0xe0071400), %sp syslink+0x64: add %sp, 0x128, %g2 syslink+0x68: or %g0, %g1, %g7 syslink+0x6c: sub %g1, 0x8, %g1 syslink+0x70: sethi %hi(0x1c00), %sp syslink+0x74: add %sp, 0x3a0, %o0 syslink+0x78: wr %o0, 0x0, %psr syslink+0x7c: call p9:syscall syslink+0x80: *** restore %g0, %g0, %g0 syslink+0x84: add %g1, 0x8, %g1 syslink+0x88: ld [%g1+0x88], %o0 Notice it moved the RESTORE instruction into the delay slot of the call. In this case this causes bad things to happen, since RESTORE changes the registers (I guess since ka doesn't use windows it is unaware of this special meaning of restore). How can I override this scheduling of the RESTORE instruction? (I'd prefer to let it continue to schedule other statements and not completely turn of scheduling). Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 5 20:40:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 5 20:40:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C7B363FF7 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:40:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2415F63BDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12290-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14D8263B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:40:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] assembler scheduling From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:41:09 0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>Eek! The assembler messed with my code. Here's the original going actually, it's the loader kl that does scheduling. use NOSCHED and SCHED pseudo-ops in ka (see /sys/doc/asm.ps, not that there are many more details) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 6 00:14:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 6 00:14:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CC2FC67C5 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:14:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC854C6729 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04257-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F472C6744 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA5FDudv007243 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:13:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA5FDun9019163 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:13:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iA5FDsF05803 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:13:55 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411051513.iA5FDsF05803@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I got several reactions to my suggestion of trying to have a 9con at twente before christmas, so let's see what we can make happen. potential attendees, so far: boyd roberts, devon o'dell, jean mehat, matthias teege, richard miller, sape mullender, mechiel lukkien, axel belinfante open questions I see so far: - how long? - what days? - program? - accomodation? - cost? I'll try to address most of these below. Length: I'm not sure about a good length, so I'm open to (asking for! :-) suggestions (but please, read the remainder of this email first). When: Since no-one indicated strong time constraints it's easiest to meet on working-days. My proposal would be: in case of a single-day meeting: tuesday dec 21, or, in case of a multi-day meeting: 'center' the meeting around that day, starting dec 20, or dec 21 (I have one strong family-imposed constraint: christmas vacation starts sometime dec 23) Program: In the same week, sape will give 3 approx. 2-hour lectures (part of a course on distributed systems), in which he will talk about plan 9 as an example of a distributed system. I guess the first lecture will be some kind of overview, and the two others probably go deeper (sape will correct me if I'm wrong :-) The lectures are scheduled: Dec 20 2004 10:40-12:25 Dec 22 2004 13:45-15:30 Dec 24 2004 13:45-15:30 and 9con attendees would be welcome (as long as we leave enough room for the students :-) So, if people want to come 'early' and hang around for some days, and hear sape's lectures, that would be an option too. Other potential programs topics in no particular order: - I could show you my plan 9 machine(s) :-) (and the coffee room music setup; I _still_ should try to redirfs the sound) - if there is interest, we might discuss a bit about libcontrol (I made some changes for the music stuff, and have some thoughts of refining that, where feedback might be useful) - there are still my LabelledTransitionSystemFS ideas - discuss testing with boyd? :-) - anything more interesting than what I wrote above? :-) Cost: for the meeting itself I anticipate no costs (but all I offer for that is the place to meet - I expect each to pay his own food in the university cafetaria etc.) Accomodation: - I could find our secretary's list of the addresses of hotels and bed&breakfast places - for those who prefer a mattrass (or so) on the floor, we might be able to accomodate a few people at mechiel's place and at my place (within constraints like those imposed on us by those who also live there - in my case wife, two young children, two cats :-) Wifi access: our university seems to have "Europe's largest Wi-Fi hotspot" (according to some web page here) I guess it should be possible to arrange (guest) access, but for that it might be useful to have your mac-addresses in advance. Any other thing I forgot? Please let me know (either here or in private mail). Other topics for the meeting could probably be proposed just as well in 9fans. Most important, let me know (private mail probably best) your ideas about when and how long. Note: I will probably not have email access from nov 10 - nov 24. Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 6 00:51:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 6 00:51:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8FFB639FE for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1854639FB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10831-04-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 81810639F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA5Fob0W015822 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:50:37 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA5FoP6s025042 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:50:25 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iA5FoPXT007177 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:50:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:50:25 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pipewrite hi X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Just for grins ... I thought people might enjoy this. pipewrite hi message calling pc is mountio. If I type stuff at rc, and give it invalid commands such as datte, or just hit return, no pipewrite hi message. If I type date, and date runs, and date does output, I get pipewrite hi interesting. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 6 12:26:47 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 6 12:26:47 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66FD0C67EE for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:26:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 618A263AEB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24548-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C07B463D23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so73464wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:25:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XeEWPmRLHE6G92od0crvdPq7GSJ9dUxphzPO5VWefb4v2mWX4cYuPqzT7oaU1tiESl3wBebYN2NxfIq9GPyCL70H8AEBoE49vQDirW9vqFLGCf3QkQ3pDTl6CRB1HsACu9uC+XszVSrX4Kq92Dq/weObkgOYeLsQp7xkImCc+3A= Received: by 10.54.5.4 with SMTP id 4mr30124wre; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:25:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c06204110519251423e9eb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:25:56 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] USB audio X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Came across a mention of another USB audio device: http://us.hercules.com/products/showpage.php?p=84&b=1&f=1 According to the blurb basic audio works under Linux and FreeBSD and runs about $70. I wonder if it might be a good choice for Plan 9 workstations. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 6 15:44:20 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 6 15:44:20 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DC5463D0E for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:44:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA9A763B8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05271-01-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BE8363B64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so77121wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:43:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=p6v3lCMyOi76tgBPgKBl2BQ7k1lXsq48qI2P4WhlVVBUN/0Wa9K1Mefqwx5rt1fuacsEnxsOCQZ9PBZnyQEwU2yPJeoYggSNYYw4FbNTzXWzOvqoBfiPxaeeURBLCW31TOeaZGkCL2XczpZAL8W4kojPMn+VwYaAWi6Cgq8wXN8= Received: by 10.54.41.27 with SMTP id o27mr80877wro; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:43:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c0620411052243b2402d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:43:22 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] More hardware spam X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I might need one of these for my desk: http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=8717673&storeId=1&langId=-1&catalogId=-840 Looks like there's three buttons above the trackpad. Might be a pain, though. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 00:02:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 00:02:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7107363D01 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:02:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4972639E5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28780-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79C93639E0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so95398wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 07:01:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nMmkEs/Oyvea4N5myifHO4+XrDtUhkrZ18doF0cBUkin62idTNXjQZy0wuaNGahVMRV7CGvS66obN2Y5nXPGRw3r3Hrm5R4q02g+ExJYvbdsaMx3qGMTwnjUaIq8bpIzOmKRh4wqhAZ0gd+PdVSxL0AYFjjSqaj+1PGC8ZsRRuE= Received: by 10.54.21.61 with SMTP id 61mr121761wru; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 07:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:01:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:00:52 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <5c1180c21894f3518a3902ca8a248c87@ipsoluciones.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> <5c1180c21894f3518a3902ca8a248c87@ipsoluciones.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:12:43 0000, gdiaz@online.ie wrote: > I think that cache is your fossil filesystem, so, that 11% > are the files you can see in normal operation. > > if i not missed all of that, venti "generates" your cache > (fossil) in which you can work like normal fs, and when > finish your work , the snapshot will write it to venti fs. Does this mean that after I copy a lot of big files to the plan9 system I have to made a snapshot and then remove the files from fossil and use the venti dump archive instead? I'm not sure if my current fossil/venti setup work as expected because I don't get any output from snap -a. Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 00:16:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 00:16:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C03063A7F for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:16:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CF0731E9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27730-01-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D318631E93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:15:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: mteege@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:15:37 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Does this mean that after I copy a lot of big files to the plan9 > system I have to made a snapshot and then remove the files from fossil > and use the venti dump archive instead? > > I'm not sure if my current fossil/venti setup work as expected because > I don't get any output from snap -a. > > Matthias check out the 'snaptime' command in fossilcons(8). if you want to free up space in fossil just use 'snapclean' or epoch. this is all in the man page. main: epoch low 10170 hi 10447 10170 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1050 10171 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1100 10172 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1110 10173 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1120 10174 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1130 10175 clri /snapshot/2004/1104/1140 [...] 10433 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0600 10434 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0610 10435 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0620 10436 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0630 10437 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0640 10438 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0650 10439 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0700 10440 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0710 10441 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0720 10442 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0730 10443 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0740 10444 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0750 10445 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0800 10446 clri /snapshot/2004/1106/0810 273 snapshots found with epoch < 4294967295 not setting low epoch main: df main: 227,631,104 used + 12,205,752,320 free = 12,433,383,424 (1% used) main: snapclean 3600 main: df main: 122,077,184 used + 12,311,306,240 free = 12,433,383,424 (0% used) main: epoch low 10301 hi 10447 10301 clri /snapshot/2004/1105/0820 10302 clri /snapshot/2004/1105/0830 10303 clri /snapshot/2004/1105/0840 10304 clri /snapshot/2004/1105/0850 [...] andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 00:28:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 00:28:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8C2063C17 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:28:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A05BA639D8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28780-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17386639C2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:27:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: mteege@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:27:32 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'm not sure if my current fossil/venti setup work as expected because > I don't get any output from snap -a. if you have gigabytes of data on your fossil that isn't on venti then snap -a won't print anything for a very long time and may even hang your computer while it's doing the not-printing part. for example, the big bumps in http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/venti-size-03-04.ps took 6 to 12 hours to snap from fossil to venti. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 02:01:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 02:01:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E124639F7 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE89E63A19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29378-01-96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67F7D639F7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@norge.freeshell.org [192.94.73.3]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6H13dZ018015; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:01:03 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6H12xr005674; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:01:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:01:02 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Message-ID: <20041106170102.GA25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <88a4775604110308014efb9764@mail.gmail.com> <5c1180c21894f3518a3902ca8a248c87@ipsoluciones.com> <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Matthias Teege wrote: > Does this mean that after I copy a lot of big files to the plan9 > system I have to made a snapshot and then remove the files from fossil > and use the venti dump archive instead? Yes, to free space in fossil you need to do an archival snapshot (or to dismiss ephemeral ones). But no, you don't have to remove the file from the active filesystem. [1] Even the active filesystem is stored in venti (after snap -a), not only the archive/ tree. And of course, you can use the files in the active/ tree, you don't have to access them via the the archive/ tree (/n/dump). [1] BTW I realised that the removal of files from fossil does not free blocks immediately (as shown by df). However, they are freed after rebooting. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 02:16:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 02:16:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C53B863C98 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:16:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B2FF63A7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14592-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2101639F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@norge.freeshell.org [192.94.73.3]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6HFv89019076 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:15:58 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6HFvf7026820 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:15:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:15:57 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In /bin there exist two similar entries of executables: One with and one without a leading underscore, e.g. /bin/touch and /bin/_touch. They seem to have different sizes. What is about it? How do they differ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 04:15:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 04:15:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3620B63C35 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:15:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 293ED63BF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17838-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF41D63A87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so195998rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:14:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qkU5p6f+lkB1m2fVaJL02pw1nIbB3XhwYnbhFlpbTvyyq6gvlpwK43+6KzD0GeZiiopd8va3LAkJjPrmcd1ktR3ciaV1iSCvTjJF+2/QF8F6WAPtrgc8NrW3L1cwIpGpW4PUTubEe6037BmeNhjWTck80PigzXlcQ4O5L0qZ5DQ= Received: by 10.38.75.60 with SMTP id x60mr21954rna; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.23 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:14:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80633e2d041106111416e87945@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:14:51 +0000 From: Christian Grothaus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores In-Reply-To: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Grothaus , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > In /bin there exist two similar entries of executables: One with and > one without a leading underscore, e.g. /bin/touch and /bin/_touch. > > They seem to have different sizes. > > What is about it? How do they differ? The ones with the leading underscores are created when you replica/pull from the sources: when there's a new version of /bin/x, replica/pull first executes 'mv /bin/x /bin/_x' so that you can switch back to the old version in case there are problems with the new one. Christian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 04:20:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 04:20:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94D27639F2 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 791B43190E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28492-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F12B731906 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:20:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:20:14 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > What is about it? How do they differ? replica/pull moves the old versions out of the way by changing their names (they could be running), before copying new ones over. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 04:31:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 04:31:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 922B963D1F for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:31:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E00C263C17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15549-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC37563C16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6JUTL1017485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:30:30 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6JUTZT007121 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:30:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:30:29 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores Message-ID: <20041106193029.GA2984@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > replica/pull moves the old versions out of the way by changing > their names (they could be running), before copying new ones over. Ahh. Thanks to both of you. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 04:59:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 04:59:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D528963CA8 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:59:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF38131E48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06275-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B18A62CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6JxGL1008495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:59:16 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6JxGnh027651 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:59:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:59:16 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] how to remove this file X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu There is a file /386/bin/ape/_diff3 on my filesystem. Something is wrong with it. 'check' on the fossil console reports: | error: source has been removed: /active/386/bin/ape/_diff3 -> 3 | fsck: 1 clri, 0 clre, 0 clrp, 0 bclose When I commit the command 'check clri' on the console, fossil immediately commits suicide. I tried to remove the file from the fossil console. It anwers that it is removed but the situation keeps the same. I tried to rm the file from within the shell, but it is said to not exist. There is one version of the file under /n/dump. When I try to copy that back, cp says: "... file already exists". I assume, something went wrong when I copied my venti to another disk (rdarena, writearena). Does the file exist or does it not exist? cp and rm contradict each other. And how to clean this pathological situation? TIA, Heiko From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 06:49:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 06:49:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 706D03196A for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:48:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AC5E63D90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04296-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D23B663D37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041106214746.OQUR7571.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:47:46 -0700 Message-ID: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:47:45 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Is there a plan9 implementation of the RSA plus OAEP padding? I'm loathe to grab the OpenSSL code, as the porting effort seems to be much more than writing my own OAEP padding code, but said code is notoriously tricky to get right... Given such a routine, I'll have a Plan9 application to stream audio to an Airport Express, if that motivates anyone else :-) Thanks, Paul From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 06:58:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 06:58:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFE8A31744 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:58:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A650317A1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02704-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8DFB31744 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:58:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7ab1f555a89f140f1a9b1ef1a173b428@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:58:05 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i want audio streaming as a 9grid service :( i'm tempted to exportfs my /mp3 collection but i heard BL have a much better solution (and more, better, quality music :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:06:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 07:06:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A186AC67EB for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 806C363EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23281-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D2DA63EA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8007137B01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:05:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <010c01c4c44c$1c8df340$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7ab1f555a89f140f1a9b1ef1a173b428@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:01:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >... i heard BL have a much better solution (and > more, better, quality music :) ken's 6:1 (?) lossless audio compression? i reckon that's probably been patented. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:14:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 07:14:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB6E0C0DC for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:14:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1B22BAB4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02704-02-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46670BB9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:13:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:13:53 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <010c01c4c44c$1c8df340$96fb7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ken's 6:1 (?) lossless audio compression? yes, that one. if he's describing it as 'perceptual' then it must be lossy. "Right now, my list has around 35,000 songs, of which I've collected around 20,000. I compress the songs with a Bell Labs-invented algorithm called PAC [Perceptual Audio Coding] and store them on a jukebox storage system. I started this before MP3 was heard of on the network. PAC is vastly superior to MP3. My collection is not generally available because of the legal aspects. I went to legal and told them I was collecting a lot of music, but I don't think they realized what I meant by "a lot." Anyway, they said that in the case of research there's something similar to fair use and that they'd back me, but wouldn't go to jail for me. So I can't release it generally. But it's pretty impressive. It's split-screen like a Web browser; you can walk down lists, years, or weeks." the whole thing is here: http://www.computer.org/computer/homepage/0599/thompson/thompson.htm From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:37:59 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 07:37:59 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CC0463556 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:37:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3787E31A60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23281-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 61A8231A2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA6MbCr4015305 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:37:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6MbBn9016067 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:37:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iA6MbCZ16674 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:37:12 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:13:53 -0700." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:37:12 +0100 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > ken's 6:1 (?) lossless audio compression? > > yes, that one. if he's describing it as 'perceptual' then it must be > lossy. > > I compress the songs with a Bell Labs-invented > algorithm called PAC [Perceptual Audio Coding] and store them on a google turned up: http://www.lucent.com/press/1098/981014.cob.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:57:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 07:57:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80955B681 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:57:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C223C31EAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16321-02-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC216B9B1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so206450rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Nb4FvW4R7KqJX0d/wjhWpTF386X/dPSYNTaoS+sBakO0UXEnKUS5KgKXoyiXRca0CcxPcG3qwnFYb7xWFQvRRnwQ9R6CY7fxF1yoEDPk1gWfmSr7yAj82AcImjVe2PQIKre17NEcAgoPK5N9wjPxFK9VkjBi7sUiFVAPewygUcg= Received: by 10.38.65.42 with SMTP id n42mr1149758rna; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:56:14 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding In-Reply-To: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu pac was the predecessor to aac. ken and sean dorward did a lot of important work to clean up the code, but my understanding is that most of the work of designing the compression algorithms was done outside the cs lab. so calling it ken's is partly true but also misleading. the collection, on the other hand, was entirely ken's doing. i've been using itunes to encode my cds and then using faad to play them under linux. it would not be hard to port faad to plan 9. a few weeks ago, i wrote an acme equivalent of ken's juke box, kind of like acd but driven by a database of audio files instead of a single cd. the whole thing is a handful of shell scripts and is pretty nice. after i iron out some more bugs i will clean it up and put it somewhere for people to play with. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 07:58:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MmRvy9siaNRawD4KCttbWJHRsaLh4ksUHq/UOFB+TsIBnSUewsgflQ7uHOz2/aMZV/rqsC6diH3Js9ZVXB1XB8LrRv7W6qrC6IB/1EtgkPSsgMWR0YbKqBaFNOVpuPGR42NbLb4oX+ufNkLM/hTn0iPfKw7xkbDs4cSnK6NBesc= Received: by 10.38.163.75 with SMTP id l75mr1151906rne; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:57:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:57:20 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to remove this file In-Reply-To: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu what if you run clri /active/386/bin/ape/_diff3 on the console? russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 08:05:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 08:05:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBE52BBAD for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:05:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED805B8BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16321-02-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A91E5B8AC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-251-150.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.251.150]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 98FE037BC9; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:04:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <012b01c4c454$6996e450$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Russ Cox" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:00:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > so calling it ken's is partly true but also misleading. well, i only heard it as some passing comment or respone to a question i asked in the unix room ages ago. 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Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:14:28 -0700 Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6NENQU032043; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:14:23 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:14:16 -0700 (MST) From: andrey mirtchovski To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > i've been using itunes to encode my cds and > then using faad to play them under linux. it > would not be hard to port faad to plan 9. > i have libfaad2 ported as part of a long abandoned attempt at mplayer. i can send you the mkfile if you want. there are only two changes necessary for common.h: #define INLINE #define uint32_t unsigned int From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 09:36:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 09:36:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B2713185A for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:36:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C996C1C1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03692-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (cassie.foobarbaz.net [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1E49BA98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4FE2966B63; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by cassie.foobarbaz.net (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:35:30 -0800 To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Message-ID: <20041107003530.GA11157@cassie.foobarbaz.net> References: <200411062237.iA6MbCZ16674@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) From: Christopher Nielsen X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 05:56:14PM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > i've been using itunes to encode my cds and > then using faad to play them under linux. it > would not be hard to port faad to plan 9. not only is it not hard, it's been done. :-) i have a port of faad and faac. i'll see about getting it up somewhere in the next couple days, if people are interested. > a few weeks ago, > i wrote an acme equivalent of ken's juke box, > kind of like acd but driven by a database of > audio files instead of a single cd. the whole > thing is a handful of shell scripts and is pretty > nice. after i iron out some more bugs i will > clean it up and put it somewhere for people > to play with. i've been working on porting several codecs and tools to manipulate my music archive. i have the most recent versions of flac, libvorbis, libogg, and the vorbis tools of interest to me. again, if people are interested, i can clean it up and put it up somewhere. -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 11:50:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:48:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:48:23 -0500 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding Message-ID: <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 01:47:45PM -0800, Paul Lalonde wrote: > Is there a plan9 implementation of the RSA plus OAEP padding? I'm > loathe to grab the OpenSSL code, as the porting effort seems to be much > more than writing my own OAEP padding code, but said code is notoriously > tricky to get right... There's already RSA and doing OAEP is not hard. I've done it before when I was stuck in Unix land and didn't want OpenSSL. I'll see if I have code lying around, but it is probably faster to just write it yourself... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 14:18:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 14:18:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 414C731E7E for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:18:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E61231E5D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06415-02-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F9F031E59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041107051735.CTCL21109.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:17:34 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] RSA + OAEP padding References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> In-Reply-To: <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've got it just about done, modulo testing ;-) The annoying part is generating the test data using some other library. If you have a nice compliant one just lying around I'd be happy to grab it. Thanks, Paul William Josephson wrote: >On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 01:47:45PM -0800, Paul Lalonde wrote: > > >>Is there a plan9 implementation of the RSA plus OAEP padding? I'm >>loathe to grab the OpenSSL code, as the porting effort seems to be much >>more than writing my own OAEP padding code, but said code is notoriously >>tricky to get right... >> >> > >There's already RSA and doing OAEP is not hard. I've done it before >when I was stuck in Unix land and didn't want OpenSSL. I'll see if I >have code lying around, but it is probably faster to just write it >yourself... > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 17:13:07 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 17:13:07 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B4DB63D09 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:13:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19D4863C9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22009-02-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC56063CA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:12:19 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:12:12 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] venti httpaddr X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, my venti httpaddr is something curious. my system is fossil+venti with 9pcf kernel. I configured in plan9.ini: bootargs=local!#S/sdD1/fossil bootfile=sdD1!9fat!9pcf venti=#S/sdD1/arena and in venti config: term% venti/conf /dev/sdD1/arena # venti/conf -w /dev/sdD1/arena conf index main isect /dev/sdD1/isect arenas /dev/sdD1/arena httpaddr tcp!*!8088 however term% netstat -n .... tcp 0 arisawa Listen 8000 0 :: tcp 1 arisawa Listen 17034 0 :: tcp 2 arisawa Established 25804 17034 127.0.0.1 tcp 3 network Established 17034 25804 127.0.0.1 tcp 4 arisawa Established 25805 17034 127.0.0.1 tcp 5 network Established 17034 25805 127.0.0.1 ... tcp 8000 is presumably actual venti httpaddr but term% hget http://pc:8000/index hget: too many errors with no progress connection refused term% hget http://pc:8088/index hget: too many errors with no progress connection refused term% what's wrong? Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 18:28:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 18:28:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75E1B63D44 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:28:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6131163C6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15060-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta6p.point.ne.jp (mta6.point.ne.jp [210.188.175.75]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BE4663C0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from vc2.point.ne.jp ([211.1.103.129]) by mta6p.point.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20041107092729.OFYZ213.mta6p@vc2.point.ne.jp> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:27:29 +0900 Received: from fvc2-p.point.ne.jp (fvc2.point.ne.jp [210.188.175.77]) by vc2.point.ne.jp (Scanmail) with ESMTP id 6EDA22EFC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:27:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from [192.168.1.8] ([218.230.59.51]) by fvc2-p.point.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20041107092729.UZYM178.fvc2-p@[218.230.59.51]> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:27:29 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3E142420-309F-11D9-8AC4-000393CBA46C@mx6.ttcn.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Fans from Bell Labs of the OS Plan 9 <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: kazumi iwane Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:27:28 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] man pages wanted for flash(3) and flashfs(4) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, I am looking for manual for flash device driver (flash(3)) and flash file server (flashfs(4)). Do they exist at all? thanks, - kazumi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 21:42:39 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 21:42:39 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6293562A35 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:42:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8021A62A36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07256-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 318A662A35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA7Cfxow001879; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:41:59 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA7CfxBZ020763; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:41:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:41:59 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to remove this file Message-ID: <20041107124159.GA15800@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > what if you run > > clri /active/386/bin/ape/_diff3 > > on the console? ahh, thank you. That did it. I am surprised because I thought 'check clri' would do the same. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 22:38:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 22:38:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5119C6395D for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:38:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 240D731EA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22351-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A653C31A4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.117.76.7] (port=2496 helo=pc) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CQnEU-0004FK-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:37:27 +0300 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:36:59 +0200 From: Sergey Reva X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13813222484.20041107153659@mail.ru> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] PXE X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Reva , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello all, I am trying to use pxe loading. I can load 9pxeload and 9pcdisk then start the kernel. When 9pxeload start his try load /cfg/pxe/, what I need put to this file? -- http://rs-rlab.narod.ru mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 7 22:40:25 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 7 22:40:25 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6679C318FB for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:40:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1500318EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09794-02-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E827318EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([68.44.82.34]) by plan9; Sun Nov 7 08:39:51 EST 2004 Message-ID: <8371e2e62421b31fd30423cfc9a87cb6@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: rs_rlab@mail.ru, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] PXE Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:39:34 -0500 From: Sape Mullender In-Reply-To: <13813222484.20041107153659@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I am trying to use pxe loading. I can load 9pxeload and 9pcdisk then > start the kernel. When 9pxeload start his try load /cfg/pxe/, > what I need put to this file? /cfg/pxe/ contains the Plan9.ini file. Sape From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 00:38:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 00:38:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52046639AD for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 967EC31A4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23694-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F7B431A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so240479rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=azQaHsbDmpoVZbCbwH+k+mrnCXGrjsDk6RIFRhAyR4w/3wwZMpDfSUo/730cW/YkIfDQGheRjJe1ALEPg3l2c8oWdg9yNpBxO+EKdifXAgDTXTM6tgVbrIQ6XW1NciAgWqHxDMOS936AR7CW9bhnGYkNUSvLdaQhj1T4XctDJfk= Received: by 10.38.73.18 with SMTP id v18mr506087rna; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:38:03 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Heiko Dudzus , 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to remove this file In-Reply-To: <20041107124159.GA15800@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041106195916.GA4517@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <20041107124159.GA15800@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ahh, thank you. That did it. I am surprised because I thought 'check > clri' would do the same. well, it probably would have if fossil hadn't suicided. i'll have to look into that -- a separate bug. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 00:41:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 00:41:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F54F63998 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:41:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41D7B62CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24667-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 183B931A4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so240602rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:40:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pQ5j96jNYRkowr0OvDqlFyczokINJd+KTCD2ba+qkXPq5TfleSo6h6czT1LqOEWWStA5Sy/LGBBSdRpFhvLzwbUdryP9HrVdrhaXMAEa1g7kl0gBKsPgwpQtpvYK7by3p3YphUc8HaOWAmRYbydBLjI4ZY9MOGdvC2Wjr4TdUuI= Received: by 10.38.99.33 with SMTP id w33mr1026676rnb; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:40:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:40:28 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti httpaddr In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > term% hget http://pc:8000/index > hget: too many errors with no progress connection refused > term% hget http://pc:8088/index > hget: too many errors with no progress connection refused > term% > > what's wrong? i think when venti gets started at boot it listens on 127.0.0.1 by default, so try http://127.0.0.1:8000/index. that said, your config sure makes it look like it should be using 8088 instead. i'm not sure what's wrong. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 07:59:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 07:59:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E656231EB8 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:59:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF7AB318B2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21283-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D536B317A8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:59:03 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <418D4681.4060707@telus.net> <20041107024823.GA81716@mero.morphisms.net> <418DAFEE.7030307@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9C54B222-3110-11D9-8E5F-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [9fans] venti httpaddr Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:58:59 +0900 To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello Russ, > i think when venti gets started at boot it listens > on 127.0.0.1 by default, so try http://127.0.0.1:8000/index. > OK, worked. Thanks. Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 08:14:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 08:14:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F04203193B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:14:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF0BA318C2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27448-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D8B3317DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA7NDZKN005549; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:13:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA7NDZn9021637; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:13:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iA7NDYg24535; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:13:34 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411072313.iA7NDYg24535@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 00:13:34 +0100 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] twente9con date poll X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'd like to try to kind of fix the date(s) in the next couple of days (before I'll be away for a while), to allow people to start making travel arrangements. I'm leaning towards one or two days in the 20-22 Dec period. It was suggested to me that offically starting Dec 21 might be a good idea. (as suggested before, feel free to show up earlier or stay longer) So, please state your preferences now (or...) : 1 day 2 day start dec 20 (sape's 1st lecture 10:40-12:25) start dec 21 start dec 22 (sape's 2nd lecture 13:45-15:30) updated list of potential attendees: boyd roberts, devon o'dell, jean mehat, matthias teege, richard miller, charles forsyth, dave lukes, heiko dudzus, sascha wildner sape mullender, mechiel lukkien, axel belinfante Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 11:26:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 11:26:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42B6BAFB2 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:25:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 219AA3197C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00737-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83E9631927 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:24:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:24:33 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] anim or something like it X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Is there a tool for displaying generic information in a graphical form. I vaguely recall anim doing something like it. Google has not been able to find the right place for it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 11:31:28 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 11:31:28 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5289363AA0 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:31:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2641231E54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00716-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B0DF31DA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:30:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3639dd730c7b1d80a87ba68f2451b5e4@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] anim or something like it Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:30:10 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there a tool for displaying generic information in > a graphical form. I vaguely recall anim doing something > like it. Google has not been able to find the right place > for it. is gview(1) what you're looking for? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 15:33:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 15:33:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8895E63D40 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:33:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E4B363BFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10901-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8319331EA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 01:32:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0f80678b4131e0ae5303b0f6e94c642d@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:32:57 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, INVALID_DATE, J_CHICKENPOX_13, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: *** Subject: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, Trying a SuperMicro P6DGU dual PIII 600 motherboard in my all-in-one fossil/venti/cpu/auth server and have had a few(3) unexpected reboots when running with SMP enabled; the one panic I saw was an fp underflow in fossil. I am running it single cpu at the moment and its seems to be reliable (so far). It could have been a cosmic ray strike, or perhaps I have a duff motherboard (it was free). Anyone running multi cpu x86 servers? if so and they are cpu servers, anyone any idea if the all-in-one architecture might prevoke problems? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 16:47:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 16:47:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAFE463C17 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7BB831DA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14614-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3170031A60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371581340D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:46:32 -1000 (HST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:46:32 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] boot question X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've been reading through the kernel to try to figure this one out but I still don't get it. The port specific data builds an *init* process to fire off the machine. This process does an exec of "/boot". The config file causes a "boot" file to be added to the devroot when main calls links(). However, it looks like the "boot" file is added under the "/boot" directory of devroot, right? How does the exec get to the boot file (/boot/boot? or is it /boot/boot/boot? After I log in to a running system /boot and /boot/boot are directories). Is there some bind/mount operation somewhere that I'm missing? Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 17:01:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 17:01:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39CFE63B5A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 03:01:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D7683177D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 03:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24160-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 03:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 671AF31781 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 03:01:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6fdd6290be95b7b16d1823e66a7e2c69@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot question Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:00:56 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu See /sys/src/9/port/initcode.c. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 19:06:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 19:06:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56B0A63C7A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:06:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 806793192B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00630-01-98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6875231A28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:05:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4eab0b4669b6595bf3558aa620e2d833@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot question From: Charles Forsyth Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:06:37 0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>After I log in to a running system /boot and >>/boot/boot are directories). Is there some bind/mount operation if /boot/boot is a directory, i think something is wrong. term% ls -l /boot/boot --r-xr-xr-x / 0 forsyth forsyth 53396 Jul 1 19:04 /boot/boot From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 19:28:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 19:28:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73B4463D2B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C85663C73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28875-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EACA063C57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so137570wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:27:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gnnp4i6r+d3gbuc0Zl9e6V5bVHyNR9R+FsfIKffLQPgHxwmp62zUbrzkgi8Dmi1KzfPxtb8OxoYysuQKEicWuav60VQJMEjLpqWx031IFppQOS9mHAmfZ+xNmk4+zSnVI+5J6XUsnp8ovdprF2ZHfAXrj9GHTVLJ6Bduvth6Lko= Received: by 10.54.21.61 with SMTP id 61mr228702wru; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:27:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:27:32 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] account for administration? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Sometime I need to change files where the owner/group is adm or sys. I can add myself to this groups with uname adm +me. Is it usefull to use a separate account (meadmin) for administrative tasks or doesn't matter it? I don't wan't to introduce root again so what is the plan 9 way? Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 22:11:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 22:11:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 063F663D6B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:11:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BA8863CA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04841-01-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF51B63C57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:10:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64fac4929c32ee9233cc69f7de5f9328@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:12:48 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores In-Reply-To: <20041106193029.GA2984@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pitkzngbxatvpehviwbuboqwhf" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pitkzngbxatvpehviwbuboqwhf Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it only does it once, and the next run will discard the file saved by the first run, so if you've got long-running systems (and since you're running plan 9, they often are long-running systems once they are running), you still need to worry about it. it's a good question whether the file servers should. --upas-pitkzngbxatvpehviwbuboqwhf Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Sat Nov 6 19:33:11 GMT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BC3563D00 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:31:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E00C263C17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15549-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC37563C16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA6JUTL1017485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:30:30 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6JUTZT007121 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:30:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:30:29 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores Message-ID: <20041106193029.GA2984@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041106171557.GB25993@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > replica/pull moves the old versions out of the way by changing > their names (they could be running), before copying new ones over. Ahh. Thanks to both of you. --upas-pitkzngbxatvpehviwbuboqwhf-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 22:51:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 22:51:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C407163D7F for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47A4063A53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08569-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0923A6399E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so322587rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 05:51:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=cQ6MjpmWObJjVAv0OD1cDru0mSzRGrpYkth78PIaoDQOrNR4zmEKA+4uT9GdMOLCQoNhprfhw1e6NqYF2zCDYhAn0vNCfrVN26DUUg5TGq15eHTLQxwV+wVB+bOu1x9AlJMclijbVGiEzdyK84sqvAol2d09/BjuS1c6jGtgoUw= Received: by 10.38.14.34 with SMTP id 34mr551908rnn; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 05:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:51:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:18 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] account for administration? In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Sometime I need to change files where the owner/group is adm or sys. I > can add myself to this groups with uname adm +me. Is it usefull to use > a separate account (meadmin) for administrative tasks or doesn't > matter it? I don't wan't to introduce root again so what is the plan 9 > way? We just put people who need such power into sys. Adm is really for running the file server and you shouldn't need anyone in that group. Occasionally we've had people who didn't trust their fingers and wanted an "in-sys" account separate from their normal account so that they couldn't make mistakes that affected everyone while doing their everyday work. When they wanted to do admin stuff they logged in as themsys instead of them. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 23:05:25 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 23:05:25 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDCF75EEE for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:05:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2643A63D74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01817-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07A5C63D6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so142323wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Rq2ndEhRusHGnXCJ9+JPDRf4m+wlennBjOIiUluAz8uh938ieFj2UK4JPnqcWldNmg2zO7TxeyvyUeXKasRvv6hykyn90f6+r8/Z3gU/ikGFK3MUMVoY3oKFkSiph9Df58ff+XaOVrzVxoKg5vwUS1fjlXUuCokN1gOpgps54Qg= Received: by 10.54.21.61 with SMTP id 61mr239006wru; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110806043842131c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:04:21 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Russ Cox Subject: Re: [9fans] account for administration? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:51:18 -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > their everyday work. When they wanted to do admin > stuff they logged in as themsys instead of them. Many thanks, that answers my question. Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 8 23:12:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 8 23:12:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4118563D9A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:12:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2693263D85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10223-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F37E86363 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:11:32 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <88a4775604110802276a0931d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <09ADD018-3190-11D9-92EB-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [9fans] account for administration? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:11:09 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello, > Occasionally we've had people who didn't trust their fingers that't me. mine is. adm:adm:adm: sys:sys:stuff: srv -APW in fossilcons is very helpful. thanks. Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 08:54:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 08:54:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0870063A33 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:54:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D562731775 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21919-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5EDCB31771 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from g (190.newark-10rh16rt-11rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net[12.75.210.190]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2004110823535511100iio5me>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:53:55 +0000 Message-ID: <218e114920947e66683f211f752d2c18@yourdomain.dom> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:59:00 -0500 From: west9@worldnet.att.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica snag antiword files not updated X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu When I do a replica/pull most files seem to be updated normally, except the files in /sys/src/cmd/aux/antiword and /sys/lib/antiword All these files are downloaded twice with the mark "m" each time I replica/pull. ls -l gives the date Nov 25, 2003 for all the files in the aforementioned directories. Thanks in advance - -Tom From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 11:20:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 11:20:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79C7831759 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:20:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31DD5C262 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00088-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BEA63BDC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 135.255.26.23 ([135.255.26.23]) by plan9; Mon Nov 8 21:17:15 EST 2004 Message-ID: <004601c4c5ff$0fd13e00$171aff87@narwhal> From: "Jim McKie" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <0f80678b4131e0ae5303b0f6e94c642d@quintile.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:54:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=J_CHICKENPOX_13, J_CHICKENPOX_56, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Our main fileserver is a SuperMicro dual-pIII, I'm out of town until Friday but I think it is a 370DLE, 933MHz. It has both venti+fossil running and boots standalone with its own fossil partition. We have lots of SMP systems. Make sure you have binaries (including libraries) made recently, there was a compiler bug over the summer that could perhaps cause weird things like fp stack underflow. --jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Simon" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:32 AM Subject: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU > Hi, > > Trying a SuperMicro P6DGU dual PIII 600 motherboard > in my all-in-one fossil/venti/cpu/auth server and > have had a few(3) unexpected reboots when running > with SMP enabled; the one panic I saw was an fp underflow > in fossil. > > I am running it single cpu at the moment and its seems > to be reliable (so far). It could have been a cosmic ray strike, > or perhaps I have a duff motherboard (it was free). > > Anyone running multi cpu x86 servers? if so and they are cpu > servers, anyone any idea if the all-in-one architecture might > prevoke problems? > > -Steve > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 17:16:37 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 17:16:37 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D38A163ABA for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:16:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A9E9639F0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23317-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C5D79639E1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so184209wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:15:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=g3MltvpGyKbFw1d6heQ4B0fv7D+Dpf6tNSYvy9mCuhSyYRt93xByl4LGjM65QqUbnh1mN9awINgwnA5XO7zTQLMPfNbAa1ncD/jLGLArbHRH0hmywP28jwiH3zVdZnmzgNPKCRaLPoF+8op4/KgByZV+fovvdicDEURld/Kx5Yc= Received: by 10.54.54.63 with SMTP id c63mr21799wra; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:15:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604110900152323cd6c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:14:44 +0059 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <88a4775604110810227a6505f6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a4775604110810227a6505f6@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: terminal network boot problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:22:49 +0100, Matthias Teege wrote: > My cpu/auth/fileserver is up now and I try to boot a terminal (VMWare) > via network/dhcp/tftp. The terminal comes up but after giving the user > name the kernel crashes. Maybe the terminal can't connect to to > fileserver. I can drawterm to crn. I solved this issue. exportfs doesnt run. After mv _il17008 il17008 in /rc/bin/service the terminal comes up. But it only ask for the username not for the password. So I think there is a problem with the auth server to. Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 17:27:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 17:27:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BAD031625 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:27:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00A7017BA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05419-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail45.e.nsc.no (mail45.e.nsc.no [193.213.115.45]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB931C514 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 03:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from utelsystems.com (ti131310a080-3342.bb.online.no [80.212.29.15]) by mail45.nsc.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA98QR83002238 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:26:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.170.56] ([192.168.170.56]) by utelsystems.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:26:26 +0100 Message-ID: <41907F32.2020701@Utel.no> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:26:26 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Nils_O=2E_Sel=E5sdal=22?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2004 08:26:26.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDE74A70:01C4C635] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Norwegian kbmap X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Based on the finnish kbmap I made a map for Norwegian keyboards; http://utelsystems.dyndns.org/plan9/no-latin1 , should anyone ever need one. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:24:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:24:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C25A563B34 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:24:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CF6563A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16098-02-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B14F3639AE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:24:06 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:24:05 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 2 GB file limit Thread-Index: AcTGX2ODpidLxAZqTpGVrHlAjtbceA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 2 GB file limit X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi there, is there still a 2 GB limit on file size? I would like to try to write a 9660 filesystem on a DVD disk. Thanks, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:27:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:27:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CCF563A66 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:27:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 361D817BBE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17854-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D4293168E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:26:53 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:26:53 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: cd-rw Thread-Index: AcTGX8duI1eDmOyWQBeBP0g++02MMw== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] cd-rw X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Please, how do I erase a CD-RW?? Thanks, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:29:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:29:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 728F263A57 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:29:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7ED563166E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17854-01-72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CC2B3161D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:28:35 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:28:34 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Index: AcTGYAPlBUxyaC/sQx6f6jYpowSKFQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] (no subject) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hello there, i acknowledge [recent] extension of 'page' - i mean middle button menu - = however, could we have true zooming, not just resampling the old bitmap? = Something like '-p nnn' on the fly... BTW, can I force 'page' to custom bbox when the document [pdf] has = trimmed margin[s]? -b -P desn't help... thanks, best regards, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:31:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:31:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 091AD63A56 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:31:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4978C3168E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16098-02-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDE5131696 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:30:37 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:30:37 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTGYEy6/reVFzF4RjSKn0u2BgP6bA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons >>% mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot >> > Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? fscons complains about '-W' option date of my 'con' is=20 --rwxrwxr-x M 8 sys sys 76131 May 20 14:17 /bin/con if it is relevant. thanks, ++pac Peter A. Cejchan Lab of Paleobiology and Paleoecology Prague, EU http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:34:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:34:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 578C463A62 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:34:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50D3F3168B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28334-03-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01D5C62CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so47575rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:33:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hW01fJRsTWl8yX9sygR8qN4TEBgjMHKFg4qwgAwykcHC3uKiQ5IU7lqRYlVWWmrIssbrl4qUxq0xpXRcrWI8OHLsaihvEXieGDyLgq2/1ggQAoCzmQ4A1YnSilBG5FszBWaQPNYzvccbzTJroWGqiBAbGyh+1hQcqk2TD/2rcQs= Received: by 10.38.164.78 with SMTP id m78mr312734rne; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.23 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:33:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80633e2d04110905334916bf34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:33:57 +0100 From: Christian Grothaus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] cd-rw In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Grothaus , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Please, > how do I erase a CD-RW?? cdfs echo blank > /mnt/cd/ctl # blanks the entire cd or echo quickblank > /mnt/cd/ctl # blanks just the table of contents See cdfs(4). Christian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 22:37:09 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 22:37:09 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 319DE63A02 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:37:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02B66639F6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16544-02-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6951962CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.2]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA9DaRvr015287 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:36:30 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9DaRsY023430 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:36:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:36:27 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] cd-rw Message-ID: <20041109133627.GA15727@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > Please, > how do I erase a CD-RW?? Something like this: % echo blank > /mnt/cd/ctl cdfs(4) for further information. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 23:01:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 23:01:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43A453166E for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:01:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7A4831849 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01497-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 513F43176D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA9E0dvr004078 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:00:39 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9E0dZm023891 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:00:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:00:39 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores Message-ID: <20041109140039.GA4040@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041106193029.GA2984@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <64fac4929c32ee9233cc69f7de5f9328@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <64fac4929c32ee9233cc69f7de5f9328@vitanuova.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu C H Forsyth wrote: > Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > replica/pull moves the old versions out of the way by changing > > their names (they could be running), before copying new ones over. > > it only does it once, and the next run will discard the > file saved by the first run, so if you've got long-running systems > (and since you're running plan 9, they often are long-running systems > once they are running), you still need to worry about it. > it's a good question whether the file servers should. Isn't a complete image of the running binaries in the memory (of the machine where it runs on). I ever thought a running program was independent of its file. (I'm not sure if I really should take part of this discussion, because it goes beyond my knowledge and understanding ;-/ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 23:11:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 23:11:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A820963AF5 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:11:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16E2563980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29447-01-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 763EA3175D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: C H Forsyth Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:11:15 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] items in /bin with leading underscores In-Reply-To: <20041109140039.GA4040@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>I ever thought a running program was independent of its file. not in general, because the kernel reads on demand from the file when a page is required and not already in the image cache. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 23:13:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 23:13:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37C7063AED for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D17EA31E51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01497-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from prunelle.tombob.com (82-41-227-30.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.227.30]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09AE663A9C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:12:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4394c7bfb605e75bbd3dcdc7d4edb471@tombob.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:12:39 0000 From: Robert Raschke In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>> % echo 'srv -AWP replica' >> /srv/fscons >>>% mount -c /srv/replica /n/boot >>> >> Perhaps you get some error message on the fossil console? > > fscons complains about '-W' option > date of my 'con' is > --rwxrwxr-x M 8 sys sys 76131 May 20 14:17 /bin/con > if it is relevant. I think somebody mentioned this before. It is very likely that you have an old copy of fossil. I cannot remember when the -W and -P options moved to be parameters to the fscons srv command (they used to be options to the fossil executable itself. Doing a pull and restarting fossil (for example by rebooting :-) might help you. Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 9 23:17:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 9 23:17:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C4FD31855 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CD5731817 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29447-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from prunelle.tombob.com (82-41-227-30.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.227.30]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B90CF31783 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:16:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:16:51 0000 From: Robert Raschke In-Reply-To: <4394c7bfb605e75bbd3dcdc7d4edb471@tombob.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I wrote (being a complete numpty :-): > Doing a pull and restarting fossil (for example by rebooting :-) might > help you. That's where you're problem is. Sorry. So, you can try and reboot with your fossil being explicitly started with the -AWP options? Or you could try and start a new fossil -AWP (will that work?) onto a different mount point and grab the new fossil from sources? Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 00:07:54 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 00:07:54 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 702A663B1F for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:07:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 010CB31777 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24855-03-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73F8163A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:07:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <98d07898b0426c9da411ca2f159044d5@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:07:13 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu the fossil and venti binaries are compiled in the kernel for 9pcf and 9pccpuf kernels. just rebooting won't make you run a new fossil, you need to explicitly recompile your kernel. this problem can be solved if one is using two fossils on a pure file server -- one to boot the local machine, the other to be executed from cpurc to serve everyone else. bell-labs use this setup. andrey > I wrote (being a complete numpty :-): >> Doing a pull and restarting fossil (for example by rebooting :-) might >> help you. > > That's where you're problem is. Sorry. > > So, you can try and reboot with your fossil being explicitly started > with the -AWP options? > > Or you could try and start a new fossil -AWP (will that work?) onto a > different mount point and grab the new fossil from sources? > > Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 03:44:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 03:44:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F11163B2B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:44:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1D2231848 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06265-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A96531620 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.117.76.10] (port=1119 helo=pc) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CRay9-000Kyb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:43:54 +0300 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:43:26 +0200 From: Sergey Reva X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8122945078.20041109204326@mail.ru> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] New kbmap X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Reva , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello I am just finished create kbmap for Ukrainian language, and have two question: I think /lib/keyboard include all symbols which Plan 9 can support, but I can't find some cyrillic symbols, this is [ye]-0x0404/0x0454 [i]-0x0406/0x0456 [yi]-0x0407/0x0457. I see codes for this symbols in Windows XP and put it to kbmap, when I test my kbmap I see [ye] [i] (i was surprised because it not listed in /lib/keyboard) but not [yi] (this like symbol 0x00EF in latin). How fix this. Why driver name changed from capital cyrillic P to k? Ukrainian kbmap: http://rs-rlab.narod.ru/ua.kbmap P.S. If you need russian kbmap, I can create it, just say me about this. -- http://rs-rlab.narod.ru mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 04:05:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 04:05:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F4E063B38 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:05:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A905D63AAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25712-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDE6963A59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:05:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: rs_rlab@mail.ru, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] New kbmap Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:04:57 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <8122945078.20041109204326@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I think /lib/keyboard include all symbols which Plan 9 can support, > but I can't find some cyrillic symbols, this is [ye]-0x0404/0x0454 > [i]-0x0406/0x0456 [yi]-0x0407/0x0457. I see codes for this symbols > in Windows XP and put it to kbmap, when I test my kbmap I see [ye] > [i] (i was surprised because it not listed in /lib/keyboard) but not > [yi] (this like symbol 0x00EF in latin). How fix this. the font you're using probably doesn't have all characters implemented. for example the standard font used in the default lib/profiles (/lib/font/bit/pelm/euro.9.font) doesn't have those characters. use the 'unicode' command to verify. 'unicode 0x400-0x500' will print the cyrillic alphabet. you can use any of the unicode fonts there, or download some of the unix ones (10646) i have converted: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/9fonts/ the font i use daily is /lib/font/bit/10646/7x13/7x13.font; here's how cyrillic looks with it: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/cyrillic.jpg > > Why driver name changed from capital cyrillic P to k? it's a completely different driver. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 05:06:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 05:06:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00D68BABE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:06:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E254EAFEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04446-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A3DDAFBE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20C925001 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE7E728; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0500 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] 2 GB file limit Message-ID: <20041109200555.GC98938@mero.morphisms.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 02:24:05PM +0100, cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > is there still a 2 GB limit on file size? I would like to try > to write a 9660 filesystem on a DVD disk. Unless someone has fixed it, dump9660/mk9660 is limited to 2GB, so unless you make the image with something else you're screwed anyway. I talked a bit about going back and fixing it a few months ago, but since Russ and I wrote dump9660 I have moved to using Venti-like things for doing backups. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 06:36:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 06:36:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7300363B55 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:36:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EEA0E63B4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20957-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6074663B4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so119190rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:36:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qQZo7Nxwb6SgTR+w68B9du30fqXrQTAFSHXNSB7empyHTkoRfebyTmWDaCAq5MY02FtaasIS6XyCWqpAoi+vPSkLzg7VSi6uXPt7PLrBY31GsMf7oiZtcrvNY270nvzarIOz0w5xnNxx93PETRO+DD2dPtaq4QfguKnjIeW9MZ4= Received: by 10.38.79.69 with SMTP id c69mr627829rnb; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.77.20 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:36:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7359f04904110913366d96bc93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:36:00 -0800 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme bug In-Reply-To: <2bb38827333b1cce3a88e9c7837bd1b3@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410192035.i9JKZRt24091@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> <2bb38827333b1cce3a88e9c7837bd1b3@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rob Pike , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This one is easy. In src/cmd/acme/edit.c, after the line in collecttext() that reads s->r[s->n-2] = '\0'; add a line s->n -= 2; Sam has zero-terminated strings, acme doesn't. This was a porting bug. This needs fixing in Plan 9 as well as plan9port. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 07:37:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 07:37:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACD1C63B19 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:37:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07D4463996 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17988-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38B153188D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA9MaomS003852 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:36:50 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9MaoLa008399 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:36:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:36:50 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041109223650.GA25207@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] keyboard scan codes X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The today posts about kbmaps reminded of my plan to write one for german keyboards. I've finished that so far, but there is one button which I don't know the scan code of. It doesn't produce a character. It seems as if it produces a scan code which isn't used by us keyboards (and is mapped to 0x0 obviously). Is there a way (other than trial and error) to determine the scan code of the button? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 08:10:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 08:10:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE10163BC1 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CE0A6364F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24432-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED38131720 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA9NA5o8017565 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:10:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA9NA4n9019305 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:10:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iA9NA5w22265 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:10:05 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411092310.iA9NA5w22265@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu (eenmaal... andermaal... let's do it!) ok. let's fix it to a two-day meeting at tuesday dec 21 and wednesday dec 22. The meeting will be at our university in Enschede, the Netherlands. On tuesday we will be in room 5126 of building 'zilverling' (building 11). (wednesday room(s) still to book :-) maybe 10:00 am is a nice time to start? already passing by on monday is fine too (for sape's lecture, or just because your travel schedule gives you some time to kill). guess some (most?) people will be arriving sometime on monday, so maybe we can set up a way to meet on monday (exchange cellular phone numbers? my office phone?) so people can have dinner or drinks together. (as mentioned before, sape will also lecture on dec 24 - staying for that is fine too, even though I will not be there.) The university website lists some practical info, including a map of the university and a sub page on accomodation (hotels and guest houses), at http://www.utwente.nl/en/practical_information/index.html if you need help, let me know - our secretary will at least know which places she usually recommends (but be aware I'll be away from email for the next two weeks). The ``mattrass on the floor'' option at mechiels or my place (maybe 2 or 3 persons at each location) still stands (see previous mail; please contact us in time). I already mentioned the wavelan - people bringing wifi, let me know your mac addresses (and I'll see what I can do). If there are other things you feel should be arranged and I omitted them here - please let me know. Be aware: most likely I'll not be reading email next two weeks! Hope to see you in twente! Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 18:04:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 18:04:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF02863E05 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:03:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E9D363D97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00816-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from salma.pentanet.net (unknown [62.81.241.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D02BB63D41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tachikoma ([150.0.10.26]) by salma.pentanet.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id I6YH5103.562 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:03:01 +0100 Message-ID: <30a77cf3c1592a5565de802269af2f60@ipsoluciones.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:03:01 +0100 From: gdiaz@online.ie In-Reply-To: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > Does this mean that after I copy a lot of big files to the plan9 > system I have to made a snapshot and then remove the files from fossil > and use the venti dump archive instead? > if you haven't enough space in your fossil yes, but remember, that you cannot re-write files to venti, so the only operation you can do with venti-files is read or write a new one. I think you shoul make a fossil enough big to work, and venti enough big to store the snaps from that big-fossil. > I'm not sure if my current fossil/venti setup work as expected because > I don't get any output from snap -a. > snap -a should report vac number, used to generate the cache-fs if needed, (read 9fans archive to obtain more information about vac number and fossil recovery) and remember that snapshots takes a bit of time to complete, so be patient. if you want to test, use history(1) or yesterday(1) commands, they should work. gabi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 19:36:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 19:36:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77F2863DC2 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:36:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8326963D53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21817-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B299963A99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so241326wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:36:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CiKaWvcGpWWvbdtx7HA7Hpk3kTmMoMws/ak1V08PMPMGd5zNwxAkH5rbQ9xBov305LMuc6SIznZ6pOjeklA58+8S7mnzhPYLcXnWqsQTuY6WsYLF3GT+dJHLy6EeKXNhwnm6Bi/8ot2gxEGh/RfEtmnr4VUh2D1vDrPFgqVthOQ= Received: by 10.54.54.74 with SMTP id c74mr162430wra; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:36:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604111002363e1d8236@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:36:13 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <30a77cf3c1592a5565de802269af2f60@ipsoluciones.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <88a47756041106070112f83985@mail.gmail.com> <30a77cf3c1592a5565de802269af2f60@ipsoluciones.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:03:01 +0100, gdiaz@online.ie wrote: > snap -a should report vac number, used to generate the cache-fs if needed, > (read 9fans archive to > obtain more information about vac number and fossil recovery) and > remember that snapshots > takes a bit of time to complete, so be patient. Thanks, after a reboot it works now as expected. It's cool. I also can boot a diskless terminal from the server now. There is only one problem I try to solve. If I boot the terminal, boot ask for a user. I give one and the terminal come up but I can't write anything. So I run auth/factotum and then ' cpu -h crn'. Now factotum ask for user and password and after login I can write files. As I remember correct this should occur at boottime. It should look like this: user[none]: mt version... !Adding key: dom=mteege proto=p9sk1 user[mt]: password: pass time... but in my case (on terminal) it looks like this: user[none]: mt version... time... I read the archives up and down but don't get it. I also check the auth server setup with ndb/query and ndb/csquery as described in http://groups.google.de/groups?selm=1b29e9d763c9f0837eba51e2adcbcd1f%40plan9.bell-labs.com. Must I setup something special to get factotum running at login? Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 21:43:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 21:43:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BAFD63E20 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:43:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAA3363DAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04383-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B80563DAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:42:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:42:46 0000 To: mteege@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti crashes at startup In-Reply-To: <88a4775604111002363e1d8236@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, INVALID_DATE, J_CHICKENPOX_35, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: *** Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I wonder if your terminal is running 9disk rather than 9pc as a kernel? check the enrty in /lib/ndb/local, heres a snippet from mine as an example. sys=paris ether=0020af8d6140 ip=192.168.0.3 authdom=home.quintile.net dom=paris.quintile.net bootf=/386/9pc.gz -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 21:46:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 21:46:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9543863DD2 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:46:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B957C52E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01519-01-100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4158BC4C6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:45:59 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:45:57 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: replica problem Thread-Index: AcTHIzmWEFKThSshTDitSSN5AG4+XA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] replica problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > >9pccpuf kernels. just rebooting won't make you run a new fossil, you >need to explicitly recompile your kernel. this problem can be solved >if one is using two fossils on a pure file server -- one to boot the >local machine, the other to be executed from cpurc to serve everyone >else. bell-labs use this setup. >andrey perhaps someone has the precompiled kernel? TIA, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.792 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 536 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 9. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 22:03:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 22:03:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32331C4C1 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:03:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F91D63ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04383-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6817C63C0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48fa91a91dec3951895c5ab89a975502@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:02:26 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, INVALID_DATE, J_CHICKENPOX_13, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Ok, I understand a bit better now, I now have had 3 panics and two of them where prevoked. Both these times I just rebooted without halting - very early, just as fossil was comming up. Both times I got an fp overflow and a panic, when I rebooted again afterwards the system came up cleanly. panic (fp overflow) fppc=0x22aab status=0x80c1 pc=0x00022aa9 The problem seems to occur after fossil has checked a dirty filesystem. 0x22aa9 in fossil relates to /sys/src/libc/386/vlrt.c:105 which is _v2d(). Suffice to say my box seems happy now, I have one unexplained crash but I would be happy to put that down to a mains dropout. The above info might help somone else if this bites more severely. -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 22:24:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 22:24:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12B7563B3E for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:24:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DDAA63A40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10864-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB96C63A2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@xm.freeshell.org [192.94.73.22]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAADNi2b014341 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:23:44 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iAADNgYr004264 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:23:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:23:41 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] replica problem Message-ID: <20041110132341.GA1864@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > >9pccpuf kernels. just rebooting won't make you run a new fossil, you > >need to explicitly recompile your kernel. this problem can be solved > >if one is using two fossils on a pure file server -- one to boot the > >local machine, the other to be executed from cpurc to serve everyone > >else. bell-labs use this setup. > > perhaps someone has the precompiled kernel? TIA, Updated kernels get pulled into /386. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 10 22:43:06 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 10 22:43:06 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BCD363D04 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:43:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C62A0C761 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10864-01-87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3F4CC55E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:42:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b46cc686faa291fa66ad80de397dd8d@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:48:17 0000 In-Reply-To: <48fa91a91dec3951895c5ab89a975502@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ootmfwiexpktohloiaqgwlcjfq" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ootmfwiexpktohloiaqgwlcjfq Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'd have said that was an old bug fixed by adding fpclear to l.s and main.c and that kernel is somehow out of date, unless there's a new manifestation. --upas-ootmfwiexpktohloiaqgwlcjfq Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Wed Nov 10 13:05:13 GMT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1FCAA63E7B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:03:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F91D63ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04383-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6817C63C0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48fa91a91dec3951895c5ab89a975502@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:02:26 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SuperMicro P6DGU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, INVALID_DATE, J_CHICKENPOX_13, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Ok, I understand a bit better now, I now have had 3 panics and two of them where prevoked. Both these times I just rebooted without halting - very early, just as fossil was comming up. Both times I got an fp overflow and a panic, when I rebooted again afterwards the system came up cleanly. panic (fp overflow) fppc=0x22aab status=0x80c1 pc=0x00022aa9 The problem seems to occur after fossil has checked a dirty filesystem. 0x22aa9 in fossil relates to /sys/src/libc/386/vlrt.c:105 which is _v2d(). Suffice to say my box seems happy now, I have one unexplained crash but I would be happy to put that down to a mains dropout. The above info might help somone else if this bites more severely. -Steve --upas-ootmfwiexpktohloiaqgwlcjfq-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 01:31:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 01:31:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A34463DDB for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:31:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2E20639E1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26228-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C3E36398D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-239-167.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.239.167]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F0F667959 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:30:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <053d01c4c742$1a076e00$96fb7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20041109223650.GA25207@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard scan codes Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:26:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there a way (other than trial and error) to determine the scan code > of the button? the way i did this, 'cos i knew next to nothing about scan codes, was to modify the keyboard driver to spit scan codes. once i undertood what was going on i loaded up various maps to figure out the weird ones. iirc the codes go linearly, left to right, but there are some suprises. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 05:33:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 05:33:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C2DCB5C2 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:32:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B0F5316E5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08209-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCBE8316E6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@xm.freeshell.org [192.94.73.22]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAAKVTE8006912 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:31:29 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iAAKVRmA013350 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:31:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:31:27 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard scan codes Message-ID: <20041110203127.GA10435@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041109223650.GA25207@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <053d01c4c742$1a076e00$96fb7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <053d01c4c742$1a076e00$96fb7d50@SOMA> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu boyd, rounin wrote: > iirc the codes go linearly, left to right, but there are some suprises. This button was one of those surprises. ;-| It sends 86 although its 'neighbours' send 43 and 44. (Finally, trial and error was the quickest way for me) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 05:40:00 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 05:40:00 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D26F8B1C5 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:39:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55BEEAFC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15858-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B033AFDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-213-67.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.213.67]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 386F867136 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006901c4c764$c25342b0$43d57d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20041109223650.GA25207@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG><053d01c4c742$1a076e00$96fb7d50@SOMA> <20041110203127.GA10435@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard scan codes Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:34:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > (Finally, trial and error was the quickest way for me) that's what i found. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 09:46:01 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 09:46:01 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79E7D63A20 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:45:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A454F63A21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23245-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from telesmtp4.mail.isp (pop3.telefonica.net [213.4.129.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AC3463A20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es ([80.26.72.139]) by telesmtp4.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id I6ZORG01.R59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:45:16 +0100 Received: from alcortes by 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CS35P-0000Pc-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:45:15 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:45:15 +0100 From: Alberto Cortes To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs on boot X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi. I have tried with the vmware.zip disk image from plan9 page. I have also install a plan9 from scratch from a 3 ed. CD and a 4 ed. CD. It always hangs at: MBR...PBS...[foo] ELCR: 0E00 apm ax=[foo] dev A0 port[foo] dev A0 port[foo] <--- hangs Also tried the CDROM legacy trick... note i am in Windows XP. TIA. -- http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 11:39:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 11:39:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A035B588 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2E71AF85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00609-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34F06AF1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so305384rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=rRZ6bXtk5tN5rA18Ig4c77vmoRaNp0U3LuWwzis1NUx7DiKEYMDB3g9UA9YYH0HOR/0yHsZqNUhfgrQEP5YJXKJ76abRgLkoZQxZxh6nskbhQLnz7rlI5TX6W8YIekcqj2Nrdi1DAYRsJ1Pc+7Zz418wxofeaZfhZBsWfS1waAE= Received: by 10.38.78.13 with SMTP id a13mr510271rnb; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.22 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:04 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs on boot In-Reply-To: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu try removing the cd drive entirely, or at least disconnecting it on startup. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 12:01:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:00:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:00:22 +0100 From: Alberto Cortes To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs on boot Message-ID: <20041111030022.GA10590@shire> References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:39:04 +0000, Russ Cox wrote: > try removing the cd drive entirely, or > at least disconnecting it on startup. I removed it from the vmware settings, but it did not solve the problem. Tomorrow i will try to disable the CDROM on the vmware BIOS, but any other ideas will be appreciated. -- http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 16:47:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 16:47:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C61763DAD for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:47:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53668318A7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10720-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE92331855 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iAB7kTQM011838 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:46:30 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:46:28 +0200 To: "Russ Cox" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs on boot References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Message-ID: From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:46:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 07:46:28.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DB097C0:01C4C7C2] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > try removing the cd drive entirely, or > at least disconnecting it on startup. Do you know, why it helps? (Just curious.) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 19:30:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 19:30:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3545863DE6 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:30:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC74763C26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13989-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 552CC63AF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-213-67.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.213.67]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 17118671D9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:29:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00a801c4c7d8$b5f60880$43d57d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs onboot Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:25:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Do you know, why it helps? (Just curious.) boot device search sequence? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 19:34:32 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 19:34:32 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63CEF63DE7 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:34:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E002963C75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13989-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FFFF63C62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iABAXlhS013649 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:33:47 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:33:46 +0200 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs onboot References: <20041111004515.GA1458@shire> <00a801c4c7d8$b5f60880$43d57d50@SOMA> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:33:56 +0200 From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00a801c4c7d8$b5f60880$43d57d50@SOMA> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 10:33:46.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECA0AC40:01C4C7D9] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Do you know, why it helps? (Just curious.) > > boot device search sequence? > 9load stalls somewhere collecting partitions. Booting from CD goes just fine, the problem surfaces only when booting from HD and there is also a CD drive. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 22:02:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 22:02:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0930863E1C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:02:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C99C263D35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14749-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from telesmtp4.mail.isp (pop3.infonegocio.com [213.4.129.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D062363C0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es ([80.26.72.139]) by telesmtp4.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id I70MUX01.5WD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:01:45 +0100 Received: from alcortes by 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CSEa8-0000HW-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:01:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:01:44 +0100 From: Alberto Cortes To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 on VMware 4.5.2 build 8848 on Windows XP hangs onboot Message-ID: <20041111130144.GA921@shire> References: <00a801c4c7d8$b5f60880$43d57d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:33:56 +0000, Tiit Lankots wrote: > 9load stalls somewhere collecting partitions. Booting > from CD goes just fine, the problem surfaces only when > booting from HD and there is also a CD drive. Yes, that is exactly my problem. The kernel from the CD can be used to boot, just: [1. Boot Plan9 from this CD] option on the CD's plan9.ini but it can't not mount the root filesystem from the HD, only the read-only fs from the CD, so i can not get a "fully" working system. -- http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 11 23:54:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 11 23:54:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E45F63C75 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 939076364D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06403-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08A8131E4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so76721wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:52:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jb2//U0xLHp8AF2ht+hWHldVuYtFOfPZEzTAQ1q3qcVzsGajsPgjVXDG+xusVQxLonvrXnyhbAW++/B+/7Vl7oNBrTmbYCik8VHC72EB/U6Ui6XKk3Koq5BeovZ1U1Jaamwyf+0JoIw8yxk5IGkE61B/9Q+z3xzlADZ4zPPxpns= Received: by 10.54.54.63 with SMTP id c63mr195579wra; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:52:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604111106524cb037@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:52:57 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] debugging boot process X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Because of my problem with the terminal login I try to get a better understandig of the terminal boot process. Is it correct that factotum is startet from boot if I have /386/bin/auth/factotum in the bootdir section of my kernel config? Man 8 boot says, that boot ask for username and password. Is it correct, that boot don't ask for a password if I have /386/bin/auth/factotum in the bootdir? What causes factotum to ask for username and password at boottime? Thanks, Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 13 14:42:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 13 14:42:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A33E6398D for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:42:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F34831790 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00881-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B3F031787 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97CC17236 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:41:57 -1000 (HST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:41:57 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] latest vmware release X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I just uninstalled and reinstall vmware and I guess I am running a newer version now: 4.5.2 8848. The first thing I noticed is that I cant boot plan9 if the cdrom is attached. I remember seeing this come across the mailing list before. Any idea why the latest vmware and plan9 dont get along here? Next thing I noticed is that my cursor no longer roams freely in and out of the vmware window. Is the plan9 support for vmware's mouse tied to a particular version? I can live with the nuisance of having to click some keys to get out of the window, but losing cut&paste will be a real blow. (On a related note, has anyone played with the vmware 5 beta with plan9?) Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 14 10:32:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 14 10:32:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3A0B318DF for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:06:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CC50C2B4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00761-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FD8EBBB2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:05:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:05:47 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] PCMCIA Interrupt Issues In-Reply-To: <20041113235604.LHQH2451.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Which model of NEC laptop? I have an old Versa 6030 somewhere which used to work but I can't try it until Tuesday. Last time I used it was before the Cardbus support went in, and the relevant config lines were ether0=type=3C589 irq=15 pcmcia0=type=xxx irq=10 I think now you would also have to try disabling the Cardbus support and only use the i82365 PCMCIA code by pccard0=disabled If I remember correctly, that laptop only had Cardbus in one slot, the other was PCMCIA only. --jim From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 14 10:50:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 14 10:50:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B0FB31914 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:37:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77D43C24B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18911-03-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.online.ie (mail.online.ie [213.159.130.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F175BABF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.10.3.33] (helo=web2.www.online.ie) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CSwCh-0003Se-Ix for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:36:27 +0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.www.online.ie with id iADBaRK18790 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:36:27 GMT Received: from 80.58.10.235.proxycache.rima-tde.net (80.58.10.235.proxycache.rima-tde.net [80.58.10.235]) by mail.online.ie (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:36:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1100345787.4195f1bb6d055@mail.online.ie> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:36:27 +0100 From: gdiaz@online.ie To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 80.58.10.235 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: *** Subject: [9fans] USB audio setup (xitel hifi-link AN1) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am trying to play cds and mp3 on my plan9 box with the following configuration: Compaq iPaq Desktop usb and ethenet share irq (don't know if this matter) I just compiled kernel with audio support and usb support, then i run usb/usbd usb/usbaudio -v 100 /dev files are created but i cannot modify volume or any other setting, t= hey doesn't work, i just run debug in both commands and obtaing the following= : cpu% usb/usbd -v usbd: usb0/0: port 1 empty usbd: usb0/0: port 2 empty cpu% cpu% usb/usbaudio -V -v 100 No usb audio cpu% usbd: usb0/0: port 1 attached (unknown type) 24 01 00 01 2b 00 01 01 (unknown type) 24 02 01 01 01 00 02 03 00 00 00 (unknown type) 24 06 02 01 02 15 00 02 00 02 00 00 (unknown type) 24 03 03 01 03 00 02 00 (unknown type) 24 01 01 00 01 00 (unknown type) 24 02 01 01 01 08 00 7e 13 00 e2 d6 00 (unknown type) 25 01 00 02 00 02 (unknown type) 24 01 01 00 01 00 (unknown type) 24 02 01 02 01 08 00 7e 13 00 e2 d6 00 (unknown type) 25 01 00 02 00 02 (unknown type) 24 01 01 00 01 00 (unknown type) 24 02 01 01 02 10 00 7e 13 00 e2 d6 00 (unknown type) 25 01 00 02 00 02 (unknown type) 24 01 01 00 01 00 (unknown type) 24 02 01 02 02 10 00 7e 13 00 e2 d6 00 (unknown type) 25 01 00 02 00 02 (unknown type) 24 01 01 00 01 00 (unknown type) 24 02 01 01 03 14 00 7e 13 00 e2 d6 00 (unknown type) 25 01 00 02 00 02 (unknown type) 24 01 01 00 01 00 (unknown type) 24 02 01 02 03 14 00 7e 13 00 e2 d6 00 (unknown type) 25 01 00 02 00 02 (unknown type) 21 00 01 00 01 22 3b 00 class 5 0 0x000101 class 5 3 0x000003 class 5 4 0x000201 cpu% usb/usbaudio -V -v 100 -d 1 pdesc 1.-1 [18] desc 1.-1 [18] 0x01: usb (bcd)0100 class 0 subclass 0 proto 0 [0.0.0] max= 0 8 vendor 0x9ef product 0x101 device (bcd)0100 man 1 prod 2 serial 3 nconfig= 1 pdesc 1.0 [371] desc 1.0 [9] 0x02: config 1: tdlen 371 ninterface 3 iconfig 0 attr 0x80 p= ower 60mA desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 0: alt 0 nept 0 class 0x1 subclass 0x1 proto= 0 [audio.control.0] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [9] 0x24: 1.1: Class-Specific AC Interface Header Descriptor AudioDeviceClass release (bcd)0100, TotalLength 43, InCollection 1 aInte= rfaceNr 1 1 desc 1.0 [12] 0x24: 1.1: Audio Input Terminal Descriptor bTerminalId 1, wTerminalType 0x101 (USB Streaming), bAssocTerminal 0 bNrChannels 2, wChannelConfig 0x3, iChannelNames 0 iTerminal 0 Audio output unit 1 desc 1.0 [13] 0x24: 1.1: Audio Feature Unit 2 bUnitId 2, bSourceId 1, bControlSize 2 for Playback mute control on master channel bass control on master channel treble control on master channel volume control on channel 1 volume control on channel 2 Number of Play Units =3D 1, and consists of 1, Number of Record Units =3D 0, and consists of Number of masterRecAGC Units =3D 0, and consists of Number of masterRecMute Units =3D 0, and consists of Number of LRRecVol Units =3D 0, and consists of Number of masterPlayMute Units =3D 1, and consists of 2, Number of masterPlayVol Units =3D 0, and consists of Number of LRPlayVol Units =3D 1, and consists of 2, desc 1.0 [9] 0x24: 1.1: Audio Output Terminal Descriptor bTerminalId 3, wTerminalType 0x301 (Speaker), bAssocTerminal 0 bSourceId= 2, iTerminal 0 Device can play to Speaker desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 1: alt 0 nept 0 class 0x1 subclass 0x2 proto= 0 [audio.stream.0] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 1: alt 1 nept 1 class 0x1 subclass 0x2 proto= 0 [audio.stream.0] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x24: 1.2: Audio stream for TerminalID 1, delay 0, format_ta= g 0x1 desc 1.0 [14] 0x24: 1.2: Interface 1, alt 1: mono, 8 bits, frequency vari= able between 4990 and 55010 desc 1.0 [9] 0x05: addr 0x04 attrib 0x09 maxpkt 56 interval 1ms [OUT] [Is= o] [Adaptive]refresh 0 synchaddress 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x25: CS_ENDPOINT for attributes 0x0, lockdelayunits 2, lock= delay 0x200, does not have sampling-frequency control, does not have pitch cont= rol desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 1: alt 2 nept 1 class 0x1 subclass 0x2 proto= 0 [audio.stream.0] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x24: 1.2: Audio stream for TerminalID 1, delay 0, format_ta= g 0x1 desc 1.0 [14] 0x24: 1.2: Interface 1, alt 2: stereo, 8 bits, frequency va= riable between 4990 and 55010 desc 1.0 [9] 0x05: addr 0x04 attrib 0x09 maxpkt 112 interval 1ms [OUT] [I= so] [Adaptive]refresh 0 synchaddress 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x25: CS_ENDPOINT for attributes 0x0, lockdelayunits 2, lock= delay 0x200, does not have sampling-frequency control, does not have pitch cont= rol desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 1: alt 3 nept 1 class 0x1 subclass 0x2 proto= 0 [audio.stream.0] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x24: 1.2: Audio stream for TerminalID 1, delay 0, format_ta= g 0x1 desc 1.0 [14] 0x24: 1.2: Interface 1, alt 3: mono, 16 bits, frequency var= iable between 4990 and 55010 desc 1.0 [9] 0x05: addr 0x04 attrib 0x09 maxpkt 112 interval 1ms [OUT] [I= so] [Adaptive]refresh 0 synchaddress 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x25: CS_ENDPOINT for attributes 0x0, lockdelayunits 2, lock= delay 0x200, does not have sampling-frequency control, does not have pitch cont= rol desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 1: alt 4 nept 1 class 0x1 subclass 0x2 proto= 0 [audio.stream.0] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x24: 1.2: Audio stream for TerminalID 1, delay 0, format_ta= g 0x1 desc 1.0 [14] 0x24: 1.2: Interface 1, alt 4: stereo, 16 bits, frequency v= ariable between 4990 and 55010 desc 1.0 [9] 0x05: addr 0x04 attrib 0x09 maxpkt 224 interval 1ms [OUT] [I= so] [Adaptive]refresh 0 synchaddress 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x25: CS_ENDPOINT for attributes 0x0, lockdelayunits 2, lock= delay 0x200, does not have sampling-frequency control, does not have pitch cont= rol desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 1: alt 5 nept 1 class 0x1 subclass 0x2 proto= 0 [audio.stream.0] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x24: 1.2: Audio stream for TerminalID 1, delay 0, format_ta= g 0x1 desc 1.0 [14] 0x24: 1.2: Interface 1, alt 5: mono, 20 bits, frequency var= iable between 4990 and 55010 desc 1.0 [9] 0x05: addr 0x04 attrib 0x09 maxpkt 168 interval 1ms [OUT] [I= so] [Adaptive]refresh 0 synchaddress 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x25: CS_ENDPOINT for attributes 0x0, lockdelayunits 2, lock= delay 0x200, does not have sampling-frequency control, does not have pitch cont= rol desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 1: alt 6 nept 1 class 0x1 subclass 0x2 proto= 0 [audio.stream.0] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x24: 1.2: Audio stream for TerminalID 1, delay 0, format_ta= g 0x1 desc 1.0 [14] 0x24: 1.2: Interface 1, alt 6: stereo, 20 bits, frequency v= ariable between 4990 and 55010 desc 1.0 [9] 0x05: addr 0x04 attrib 0x09 maxpkt 336 interval 1ms [OUT] [I= so] [Adaptive]refresh 0 synchaddress 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x25: CS_ENDPOINT for attributes 0x0, lockdelayunits 2, lock= delay 0x200, does not have sampling-frequency control, does not have pitch cont= rol desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 2: alt 0 nept 1 class 0x3 subclass 0x0 proto= 0 [hid.0.0] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [9] 0x21: HID (bcd)0100 country 0 nhidclass 1 classdtype 0x22 dl= en 59 desc 1.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x83 attrib 0x03 maxpkt 1 interval 10ms [IN] [Int= errupt] Buttons on endpoint 3 Playback on endpoint 4 Playback speed control Playback mute control master Play Mute Unit =3D 2 value[0] =3D 0 Playback volume control channel Play Volume Unit =3D 2 channel Play Volume Unit =3D 2 channel Play Volume Unit =3D 2 channel Play Volume Unit =3D 2 Playback channels control Playback resolution control setcontrol: Play Mute Unit =3D 2 master Play Mute value =3D True of Unit 2 setcontrol: PlayVolume Unit =3D 2 value[0] =3D -1e80 value[1] =3D -1f00 value[2] =3D -1f00 value[3] =3D -80= 000000 value[4] =3D -80000000 value[5] =3D -80000000 value[6] =3D -80000000 value[7] =3D = -80000000 value[8] =3D -80000000 sending `ep 3 bulk r 1 1' to /dev/usb0/1/ctl buttonproc opening /dev/usb0/1/ep3data button 0x07 cpu% cat /dev/volume audio out 65 speed out 44100 cpu% pwd /mnt/cd cpu% cat a000 > /dev/audio (nothing goes out from this command) cpu% echo -n audio 100 > /dev/volume line: audio 100 rwrite: volume playback '0' controlproc: setcontrol out volume 0 setcontrol: PlayVolume Unit =3D 0 failed to set master Play Volume for Unit 0 echo: write error: setting volume playback failed From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 14 11:06:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 14 11:06:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EECBAC58F for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:56:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A8AE17BC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23491-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A70F5C58F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellsouth.net ([208.63.190.230]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with SMTP id <20041113235604.LHQH2451.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:56:04 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: blstuart@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:43:27 -0600 Message-Id: <20041113235604.LHQH2451.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] PCMCIA Interrupt Issues X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm having some trouble getting networking working on a couple of older NEC laptops. They have the TI 1131 PCMCIA chipsets. The first issue that shows up (and I think this is the root of the problem) is reported as: #Y0: No interrupt? i8259enable: irq 0 shared but not level intrenable: couldn't enable irq 0, tbdf 0xC001800 for cardbus then for the other controller: #Y1: No interrupt? It does find the ethernet card and it does get far enough to send DHCP requests. In fact I see that the DHCP server gets the requests and sends responses, but the laptop never seems to get them. The card's stats do report seeing packets, but I don't seem to ever be getting to the interrupt handler. I'm pretty sure this isn't a driver issue since I'm seeing it with a 3c589, a 3c575 and an EC2T. Anybody seen anything like this? Any suggestions on making the PCMCIA support happy with the 1131? Thanks in advance, Brian L. Stuart From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 15 11:09:54 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 15 11:09:54 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DC4563650 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:09:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 107C2C2B5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21601-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 44BA6C1A8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellsouth.net ([208.63.190.230]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with SMTP id <20041115020846.IIII2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:08:46 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: blstuart@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [9fans] PCMCIA Interrupt Issues In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:05:47 -0500 . Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:56:07 -0600 Message-Id: <20041115020846.IIII2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In message , jmk@plan9.be ll-labs.com writes: >Which model of NEC laptop? I have an old Versa 6030 somewhere which >used to work but I can't try it until Tuesday. I think it's from the same family. The one I'm doing most of my work with is a 6260. I've also got an LXi that I want to get working, but I've also got video issues there. (The really frustrating thing is that I once had video working, but seem to have failed to save all the changes necessary.) >I think now you would also have to try disabling the Cardbus support >and only use the i82365 PCMCIA code by > > pccard0=disabled Peter Bosch also suggested this. It seems to have made some improvement in that it does seem to think it is properly configuring an interrupt for the slot. However, I still have no joy in getting communication. I've tried both letting it select the irq itself and setting a few combinations (including the ones you suggested). Unfortunately, the symptoms are still the same. The DHCP server sees the discover and sends an offer. Reading the /net/ether0/stats file shows that we've received packets. But there's no evidence that ipconfig ever saw anything. However, now that I know the right driver to look at, I'll try to find some time to dig a little deeper. >If I remember correctly, that laptop only had Cardbus in one slot, the >other was PCMCIA only. To be honest, I don't really know the difference. It does seem to be reporting the same controller for both slots. Thanks again, Brian L. Stuart From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 15 11:25:45 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 15 11:25:45 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6348E31E64 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:25:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4EF4DBF50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24235-02-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9510CBF20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:25:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8907ebe6f8c59a8d27e325081a0f1804@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] USB audio setup (xitel hifi-link AN1) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:26:47 +0900 In-Reply-To: <1100345787.4195f1bb6d055@mail.online.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Number of Play Units = 1, and consists of 1, > Number of Record Units = 0, and consists of > Number of masterRecAGC Units = 0, and consists of > Number of masterRecMute Units = 0, and consists of > Number of LRRecVol Units = 0, and consists of > Number of masterPlayMute Units = 1, and consists of 2, > Number of masterPlayVol Units = 0, and consists of > Number of LRPlayVol Units = 1, and consists of 2, Hmm, you are running the new sources. The point may be you have no masterPlayVolUnits, and instead, do LRPlayVolUnits. In such case, I had no experience so far. If you can check threadmain() in usbaudio.c, where the setcontrol(Play, "volume", volume) line. Is this line working fine? I suppose it's not. Another thing, do you have what kind of volume control, I mean do you have some kinds of mechanical volume control on the device? I'm now busy in many things, and now in video device for Plan 9. This is because there are many kinds of USB audio devices, and individuals have different configurations of various controls, which lead us complicated control codes to write. I feel it's not possible to get a general solution for this matter. Therefore, I expect if you want to make your USB audio device to work, you have to do something by yourself... In addition, I still have problem to make good quality sound through USB device, such mp3 file to USB audio device. If you are using CDROM to speaker or FM tuner to speaker etc, you'd have no problem and would be able to get good quality sound. I do not know why we cannot good quality sound through USB port yet. If somthing can happen, it may be after the end of this year. Of course, anyone can contribute, and hide my dirty work to the evil would be appreciated. Sorry about it. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 15 15:19:00 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 15 15:19:00 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F014E63988 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:18:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2306331E90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06256-02-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C2EB31E8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:18:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <28e346e12397d31a780bcb1cb2a870bf@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] USB audio setup (xitel hifi-link AN1) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:19:39 +0900 In-Reply-To: <8907ebe6f8c59a8d27e325081a0f1804@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > In such case, I had no experience so far. Sape has some devices, I have others, and both have no common device. Ahmen! Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 15 18:37:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 15 18:37:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5C2631E9E for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:37:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10E5431E82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27750-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from salma.pentanet.net (unknown [62.81.241.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3B1131E65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tachikoma ([150.0.10.26]) by salma.pentanet.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id I77S0W00.RHW for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:36:32 +0100 Message-ID: <39ccc30e2cd8085c488f96e7bf5c46af@ipsoluciones.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] USB audio setup (xitel hifi-link AN1) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:36:28 +0100 From: gdiaz@online.ie In-Reply-To: <8907ebe6f8c59a8d27e325081a0f1804@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-acjyttyhtafqzyuxcfkvnzkves" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-acjyttyhtafqzyuxcfkvnzkves Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, I just choose that device because I read on 9fans there are some people that have it runing without problems. :? I missed the model? I have no external volume control :( is anyone able to play music with this device with updated sources? or i should rollback to older sources? thanks gabi --upas-acjyttyhtafqzyuxcfkvnzkves Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-bounces+gdiaz=online.ie@cse.psu.edu> Envelope-to: gdiaz@online.ie Delivery-date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:25:37 +0000 Received: from [130.203.4.6] (helo=mail.cse.psu.edu) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTWYj-0001Os-1Y for gdiaz@online.ie; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:25:37 +0000 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F29331E6B for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:25:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4EF4DBF50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24235-02-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9510CBF20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:25:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8907ebe6f8c59a8d27e325081a0f1804@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] USB audio setup (xitel hifi-link AN1) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:26:47 +0900 In-Reply-To: <1100345787.4195f1bb6d055@mail.online.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+gdiaz=online.ie@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+gdiaz=online.ie@cse.psu.edu > Number of Play Units = 1, and consists of 1, > Number of Record Units = 0, and consists of > Number of masterRecAGC Units = 0, and consists of > Number of masterRecMute Units = 0, and consists of > Number of LRRecVol Units = 0, and consists of > Number of masterPlayMute Units = 1, and consists of 2, > Number of masterPlayVol Units = 0, and consists of > Number of LRPlayVol Units = 1, and consists of 2, Hmm, you are running the new sources. The point may be you have no masterPlayVolUnits, and instead, do LRPlayVolUnits. In such case, I had no experience so far. If you can check threadmain() in usbaudio.c, where the setcontrol(Play, "volume", volume) line. Is this line working fine? I suppose it's not. Another thing, do you have what kind of volume control, I mean do you have some kinds of mechanical volume control on the device? I'm now busy in many things, and now in video device for Plan 9. This is because there are many kinds of USB audio devices, and individuals have different configurations of various controls, which lead us complicated control codes to write. I feel it's not possible to get a general solution for this matter. Therefore, I expect if you want to make your USB audio device to work, you have to do something by yourself... In addition, I still have problem to make good quality sound through USB device, such mp3 file to USB audio device. If you are using CDROM to speaker or FM tuner to speaker etc, you'd have no problem and would be able to get good quality sound. I do not know why we cannot good quality sound through USB port yet. If somthing can happen, it may be after the end of this year. Of course, anyone can contribute, and hide my dirty work to the evil would be appreciated. Sorry about it. Kenji --upas-acjyttyhtafqzyuxcfkvnzkves-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 15 19:55:22 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 15 19:55:22 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D99EC6365D for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:55:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E761318C2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23021-03-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02FAE31783 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@norge.freeshell.org [192.94.73.3]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAFAsk58025183 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:54:46 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iAFAsjM7008507 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:54:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:54:45 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041115105445.GA18101@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ps2pdf and sqrts and tables X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I wrote a small protocol of a simple 'computation' in troff & co for some of my pupils. The postscript output is ok (but not portable, of course). I tried ps2pdf to get portable documents. The output of ps2pdf doesn't give correct square root symbols. The long row is shifted away from the leading unicode 0x221A symbol. Also, tables look nice in postscript output, but vertical bars have a small negative vertical offset in pdf output. I tried different LangueLevels and CompatibilityLevels of ps2pdf (gs). With no success. Did someone experience this? What is the problem? TIA, Heiko From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 15 22:52:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 15 22:52:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDB4463A22 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:51:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A21766399B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29914-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 525BF6399A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@xm.freeshell.org [192.94.73.22]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAFDpCkY010679 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:51:12 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iAFDpAZ5024692 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:51:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:51:10 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ps2pdf and sqrts and tables Message-ID: <20041115135110.GA20076@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20041115105445.GA18101@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041115105445.GA18101@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Myself wrote (sic): > The long row is shifted away from the leading unicode 0x221A symbol. % echo '$sqrt{2}$' | eqn -d'$$' | troff | lp -dstdout | ps2pdf | page -w should reproduce the problem on plan 9 systems. It seems to be only a problem of ghostscripts 'pdfwrite' device. The 'jpeg' device, for example gives proper output. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 03:58:21 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 03:58:21 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B32963A49 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:56:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CF3C63556 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23114-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2218962E13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.2]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAFItqb2006356 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:55:52 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iAFItqWN018782 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:55:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:55:52 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20041115185552.GA10399@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] german kbmap X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu kbmap for german keyboards: http://dudzus.unixcab.org/stuff/de.kbmap From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 04:10:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 04:10:03 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B3E1DB8AB for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:10:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 179C9B68D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06165-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 64292B5CB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:09:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6998dbfb976364d0879049d53e7fe26b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:09:14 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <20041115185552.GA10399@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > kbmap for german keyboards: > http://dudzus.unixcab.org/stuff/de.kbmap should we have all kbmaps submitted as patches via sources? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 09:59:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 09:59:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EA8663AE3 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:59:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F2A663A14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07958-02-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1079163A10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:58:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:00:34 +0900 In-Reply-To: <6998dbfb976364d0879049d53e7fe26b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> kbmap for german keyboards: >> http://dudzus.unixcab.org/stuff/de.kbmap > > should we have all kbmaps submitted as patches via sources? Or just mail it to Dave Presotto. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 10:21:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 10:21:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C8F1C006 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:21:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74CC1BBA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24874-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 28BFBB056 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19321 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2004 01:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 01:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 01:20:32 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iAG1KWq218820; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:20:32 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:20:30 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] changing nvram key in auth server X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu If, on auth server, the key stored in nvram has been changed, certainly auth/keyfs is unable to decrypt /adm/keys anymore without some management. What is the appropriate way to change the nvram key on auth server, then? -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 10:34:00 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 10:34:00 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31A5863A87 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:33:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C183463A43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24876-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 855C063A3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so772034rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:33:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=I7TXIdXXx5+zs8S1dQ+DIHTE77A/iDvz4+oBgp5Iwv2M4Ti21JA//NiwHEW550Epl2h8YW50KS9yf1oEmcSX4hj0UcIKfgKrgOUtpsxNlwoj7eREkCU0xSm2HFrMsX8G31Gous7231GOYsNTbtjVXOKT5nhG2WmSFbV2pJlAiwQ= Received: by 10.39.2.15 with SMTP id e15mr681841rni; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.37 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:33:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:33:21 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6998dbfb976364d0879049d53e7fe26b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > should we have all kbmaps submitted as patches via sources? > > Or just mail it to Dave Presotto. it's much easier for us if you submit changes as patches. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 10:45:39 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 10:45:39 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBEDB63A54 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:45:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83C5962CD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23224-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BEFAA318ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:45:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37b869de6508b5a4780edd766b5d695c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:46:29 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> > should we have all kbmaps submitted as patches via sources? >> >> Or just mail it to Dave Presotto. > > it's much easier for us if you submit changes as patches. It's my opinion, and you can think another. After saying it, I think the circumstances of Plan 9 has been changed. I mean what is the authors motivation to write new programs. In the past, Plan 9 was possed by Lucent, and most developping people belong to it. In that case, there is no problem, because Plan 9 is owned by the company and programmers are her employees. They are working as a part of their business. Now, that situations are changed much. Plan 9 is still owned by Lucent, but most people are purged out from it. They are not working for Lucent, anymore. They have thei own works, and another employers. In that situation, what is the motivation of their work for Plan 9? Of course, I know to write better program is one of them. However, I think it's not enough. If the author's name is written in the source, or we rspect the original author's work in other way, I think we can add a small portion of motivation to them. I know it's small of course. However, do we find anything other? Why we work for Plan 9? We cannot get money from it. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 10:48:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 10:48:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E474263A01 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:48:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E9E863984 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23224-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A5BD62CD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:47:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <889975afb71d6b5e571abdcc6d611119@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] changing nvram key in auth server Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:47:44 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > If, on auth server, the key stored in nvram has been changed, > certainly auth/keyfs is unable to decrypt /adm/keys anymore > without some management. use auth/convkeys to re-encrypt the keys. see presotto's message with subject 'strange things in /sys/log/auth' from 2003-07-03. andrey ps: i've never actually used it, just relaying the information :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 10:56:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 10:56:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48FD06397E for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:56:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C69626397E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24874-01-81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 504B963978 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27001 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2004 01:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 01:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 01:55:34 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iAG1tVq217979; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:55:31 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] changing nvram key in auth server From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:55:26 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue Nov 16 10:48:08 JST 2004, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > If, on auth server, the key stored in nvram has been changed, > > certainly auth/keyfs is unable to decrypt /adm/keys anymore > > without some management. > > use auth/convkeys to re-encrypt the keys. see presotto's message with > subject 'strange things in /sys/log/auth' from 2003-07-03.| Thank you for the information. I will try soon. http://lists.cse.psu.edu/archives/9fans/2003-July/025700.html By the way, I noticed that convkeys is mentioned twice in auth(8). AUTH(8) AUTH(8) : SYNOPSIS : auth/convkeys [-p] keyfile auth/convkeys [-p] keyfile Thanks. P.S. I'm stuck at level 43 (easy). -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 11:04:52 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 11:04:52 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA7B663A1D for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:04:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 410ED63A31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05539-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0347F63A1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:04:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6ba22e8a811a7534e0cee7ab7b1cef10@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] changing nvram key in auth server Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:04:14 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > P.S. > I'm stuck at level 43 (easy). i haven't played in a while. i got interested in Go in the past three months and have been playing my board games outside of the computer. i'm thinking of writing a Go fs to be used as a 9grid service -- '9fs go' and ls all the games in progression. i doubt i'll go beyond the gui phase. :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 11:07:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 11:07:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D440063A69 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E548363A37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23224-01-99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B3E9917BDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <049c9361ae23250cadf2d8245e00394a@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] changing nvram key in auth server Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:07:15 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > By the way, I noticed that convkeys is mentioned twice in auth(8). > the second one is convkeys2, i submitted a patch just now. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 11:08:29 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 11:08:29 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CE4863AC4 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:08:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E5EBB63AD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28921-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9518063ACA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAG27TkC009131 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id iAG27SJ04775 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200411160207.iAG27SJ04775@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:28 -0500 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Weird timeout thing in smtpd? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Is anyone else using upas/smtpd to send mail from a `normal' [sic] client like the Apple Mail.app program? I get weird timeout's sending email with an error message of `(null)' and then my recipients get duplicates. I'm trying to understand why, as it's starting to get annoying for them. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 11:17:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 11:17:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F08D63A29 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:16:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E52AF63A22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28921-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CAA363A01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-88-159.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.88.159]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CEC0E6745B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 03:16:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <007301c4cb81$aa772050$9f587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6ba22e8a811a7534e0cee7ab7b1cef10@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] changing nvram key in auth server Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 03:11:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i doubt i'll go beyond the gui phase. but LANL have this nice new, it slices, it dices, 90 teraflop m/c, right? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 11:21:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 11:21:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DFAD63A86 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:21:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E676663A54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28921-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93B9263A1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so776096rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:20:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Gp2q+lrlSOJmo+rXzjVZHTovH8yW88gPzu3BGUQNYd4SRNtuA152cOp75VJesXrp6oNxFbgapU4EAAz8shM2rUyULjIgG30X2zfxG+KK5ndGTAsTm/k9kt4ZUT4JHG49Ar6p3BKgByzjtssai/08vMaPfIzSklZOec+jPd+aY4Y= Received: by 10.38.15.80 with SMTP id 80mr272883rno; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.37 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:20:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:20:39 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap In-Reply-To: <37b869de6508b5a4780edd766b5d695c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37b869de6508b5a4780edd766b5d695c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > >> Or just mail it to Dave Presotto. > > > > it's much easier for us if you submit changes as patches. > > It's my opinion, and you can think another. It's not an opinion. If the goal is to get the files into the distribution (I can't think of any other purpose served by mailing a German kbmap to Dave), then it is easier for him, and in general for all of us who maintain the distribution, if you submit things using the patch scripts instead of emailing files. Patch gives us the necessary context to understand the changes and makes it really easy for us to apply the changes and push them out. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 11:22:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 11:22:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBBAD63AD4 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1EB5E63A78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08634-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B60BC63A75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so776294rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:22:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=msJNznyc5XIPywRWaqU55OVhaKX0cG0VsUA4Tet5tIG3AQEKz37OILJrOUT/77lGvzQJPUAm985GaujhvOk1KRYDKPv4xEj4hk741kdnjEFUF9FD7I3jlyPq9kPe9URRSx0VsoyWhx/UbmGWuXJGO/svhwa+ukLsaZA46xIw1lY= Received: by 10.38.171.61 with SMTP id t61mr5200rne; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.37 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:15:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:15:13 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Weird timeout thing in smtpd? In-Reply-To: <200411160207.iAG27SJ04775@augusta.math.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200411160207.iAG27SJ04775@augusta.math.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is anyone else using upas/smtpd to send mail from a `normal' [sic] client > like the Apple Mail.app program? I get weird timeout's sending email with > an error message of `(null)' and then my recipients get duplicates. I'm > trying to understand why, as it's starting to get annoying for them. is your client connecting from a trusted ip address? if not, it's subject to /mail/lib/validatesender, which may be taking too long for your client. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 11:36:52 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 11:36:52 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8742663A2A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:36:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40AF463A5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05539-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00FD563A37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAG2ZxkC017593; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id iAG2ZxJ04878; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:35:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200411160235.iAG2ZxJ04878@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Weird timeout thing in smtpd? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:15:13 EST." Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:35:59 -0500 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox writes: > is your client connecting from a trusted ip address? > if not, it's subject to /mail/lib/validatesender, which > may be taking too long for your client. Maybe that's it. I'm connected from whatever IP address my DSL provider gives me, which is certainly not trusted in any way that I know about. However, I'm authenticating to the server, which I thought would turn off such things. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 11:47:59 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 11:47:59 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AABB63AAB for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:47:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 839DC63A53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08634-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2890063A40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so778238rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:47:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=PGc1QzDEHb/W4oGXwi7ulAtzT0FISqp48Ngkib+E0Q+Czsr1h6pPzRwU8acWvAW5pxUQoX31lw7Eg1qtzmAJvvblWyGSNZe1YbCIZNxjc9gnBhzW5RvZzv5Zuoyxa7RZgB94X/a4O+KBHzVY4juwoTlSnSJgPX9uoCyDfLSZ6dk= Received: by 10.38.77.56 with SMTP id z56mr418397rna; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:47:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.37 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:47:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:47:17 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <37b869de6508b5a4780edd766b5d695c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37b869de6508b5a4780edd766b5d695c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] why work on plan 9 (was german kbmap) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Why we work for Plan 9? We cannot get money from it. Speaking only for myself, I use Plan 9 because it's a good collection of tools for a lot of the jobs I do. I work on Plan 9 when I think it is worth my time to make some tool even better for something I'm doing, or to add a new tool. A lot of the time those tools are general enough and simple enough to have many uses, so the work has the added benefit of making Plan 9 better for jobs others do. Most of the work in the past few years has been concentrated on fixing existing tools. For me, it's worth spending some fraction of my time maintaining my tool box as long as that tool box continues to provide benefits that I couldn't get for less work elsewhere. I have other reasons for working on Plan 9 (the sheer fun certainly hooked me before I started using it for real work), but the usefulness is what justifies my long-term interest. I think this is true for many people on this list. It's quite nice to see the variety of people who submit bug fixes to sources or email me fixes for the plan9ports tree. As long as Plan 9 remains useful to people, I believe they will keep working on it. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 13:45:04 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 13:45:04 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 033B663A2F for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:45:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB9C662E13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12134-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A6D131EC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAG4iMkC012590 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id iAG4iMJ05266 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:44:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200411160444.iAG4iMJ05266@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Weird timeout thing in smtpd? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:35:59 EST." <200411160235.iAG2ZxJ04878@augusta.math.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:44:22 -0500 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Dan Cross writes: > > Russ Cox writes: > > is your client connecting from a trusted ip address? > > if not, it's subject to /mail/lib/validatesender, which > > may be taking too long for your client. > > Maybe that's it. I'm connected from whatever IP address my DSL > provider gives me, which is certainly not trusted in any way that I > know about. However, I'm authenticating to the server, which I thought > would turn off such things. Hmm, a little more digging shows that it's hanging on reading the output of /bin/upas/send in data() in smtpd.c. I worked around that by only reading send's stderr output if status is non-zero. Moving beyond that, it seems to hang forever in proc_wait(), which is sort of strange. That would be, I think, waiting for send's exit status. This is a bit complex for me as I'm debugging this over SSH using ed, so the more productivly enhancing tools are unavailable at the moment. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 14:57:32 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 14:57:32 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 955AB63AEC for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:57:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8EFD963AC6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23107-01-92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34A7963AC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAG5upkC021504 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id iAG5upJ05532 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:56:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200411160556.iAG5upJ05532@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Weird timeout thing in smtpd? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:44:22 EST." <200411160444.iAG4iMJ05266@augusta.math.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:56:51 -0500 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Dan Cross writes: > Hmm, a little more digging shows that it's hanging on reading the > output of /bin/upas/send in data() in smtpd.c. I worked around that by > only reading send's stderr output if status is non-zero. Moving > beyond that, it seems to hang forever in proc_wait(), which is sort > of strange. That would be, I think, waiting for send's exit status. > This is a bit complex for me as I'm debugging this over SSH using > ed, so the more productivly enhancing tools are unavailable at the > moment. Well, this is starting to make some sense. Send is taking a *really* long time to do anything. I think what's happening is that send is running so long that the client times out and spits out an error message and resolves to retry later. However, on the server side, send is still running, and eventually the mail gets delivered. At some point, the client retries sending the mail, and send works very quickly at that point, so the client is happy but a duplicate message gets sent. So, the question is: what would cause send to take a *really* long time? I mean, on the order of seconds.... And, more to the point, how can I fix that? - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 15:47:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 15:47:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF6DF639C3 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:47:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1075C6399A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12577-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 777346397E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:46:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6cbf455ffa3583d08af69dd3ce3b275b@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] changing nvram key in auth server Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:46:25 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'm stuck at level 43 (easy). level hard-80 is a bastard. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 19:34:45 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 19:34:45 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0698563B74 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:34:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E072563ACE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26427-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC44863B15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:33:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <727f877d46b8962b9b46879eccbdceba@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] changing nvram key in auth server From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:33:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <889975afb71d6b5e571abdcc6d611119@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ps: i've never actually used it, just relaying the information :) I did. It worked fine. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 19:35:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 19:35:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE08963B50 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:35:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5358063B15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25420-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 076D463AFA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:35:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <174cd0e0f0ac3f9a22db61a816c2339d@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:35:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <37b869de6508b5a4780edd766b5d695c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Why we work for Plan 9? It's powerful. It's easy to change for those things that might still bother you. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 20:40:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 20:40:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1615663A3B for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:40:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D086063A1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26427-01-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67AAF63A94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:39:53 -0500 (EST) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:39:47 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: page Thread-Index: AcTL0PnvCNoQ5ZoiQP+MNXK8Utbj5g== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] page X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi, page's downarrow doesn't work for me after last pull; uparrow is OK;=20 it would also be nice if 'zoom' acted on original (.ps), not on = generated bitmap... thanks, cheers, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.797 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 541 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 15. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 20:44:51 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 20:44:51 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 81A5D63B72 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:44:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA904639FF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11222-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED89363A41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAGBiBid015823 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:44:12 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iAGBiBkA028527 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:44:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:44:11 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] page Message-ID: <20041116114411.GA5455@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > hi, > page's downarrow doesn't work for me after last pull; uparrow is OK; It seems like you run a fairly old kernel. There was a changing regarding the down arrow this year. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 21:02:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 21:02:03 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29E5563B6F for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:01:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2307263B29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11222-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7BB463B15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@xm.freeshell.org [192.94.73.22]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAGC1Nid004749 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:01:23 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iAGC1NRd022304 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:01:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:01:23 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap Message-ID: <20041116120123.GA19083@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <37b869de6508b5a4780edd766b5d695c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > > >> Or just mail it to Dave Presotto. > > > > > > it's much easier for us if you submit changes as patches. > then it is easier for > him, and in general for all of us who maintain the > distribution, if you submit things using the patch scripts > instead of emailing files. I didn't know of the patch/* tools (and the write permission to patches/) I did patch/create as supposed. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 21:31:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 21:31:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 337B863B74 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:31:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C65DC63AE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19466-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:31:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 683EE639C6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:31:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so818297rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:31:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Rz7ZGgwD/vvOn1Qe0Jzv7jqlc/qxuHU6SlAeBTirI+FEo6xsLT3kur56TAKnOJ7elsGRcR2prQ6xMEVmY3j9SFm1I/qNTVVJlqz4TUGeR96xFETk1CK1rKfORITDMX2RgUPcwuQu2kCxf9chS4i82vE7DxOxFN38yluUHAGOZWQ= Received: by 10.38.163.54 with SMTP id l54mr368691rne; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:31:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:31:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:31:15 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Weird timeout thing in smtpd? In-Reply-To: <200411160556.iAG5upJ05532@augusta.math.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200411160444.iAG4iMJ05266@augusta.math.psu.edu> <200411160556.iAG5upJ05532@augusta.math.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > So, the question is: what would cause send to take a *really* long > time? I mean, on the order of seconds.... And, more to the point, > how can I fix that? run send by hand and then run acid on it and look around. ;-) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 21:58:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 21:58:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E69663C94 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:58:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F8D663B3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16323-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B534263B54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:57:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: C H Forsyth Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:58:41 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap In-Reply-To: <174cd0e0f0ac3f9a22db61a816c2339d@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Why we work for Plan 9? i use plan 9 because i can get it to work. each time i try to use linux to do something important i soon become quite miserable. i've now spent several days finding and installing different Project Management packages only to find that: they've been abandoned; they can't read back what they wrote out (and they've been abandoned but restarted elsewhere); they've cunningly cloned MS Project to the extent that they mess up the same way; they are quite promising but incomplete; they have many dependencies on other packages; they would work but i can't got the SuSe DVD here and they need more python than i originally loaded; ... i was better off doing it by hand. i did find one program that would compile and run under plan 9, so i've used that. it has been abandoned, but i can cope. it was the same story for me with linux ppc, linux tv/dvd, ... i should trade myself in as obsolete. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 16 22:31:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 16 22:31:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39A1163BB3 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:31:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32DA163B86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21904-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 098C463B7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:30:47 -0500 (EST) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:30:24 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: page Thread-Index: AcTL4G5D7FUJKi65R4S3cabWnIjpfg== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] page X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hello, ccan one force page to use another bbox (when document shows incomplete) -P -b doesn't work... thanks, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. 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Verze: 6.0.797 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 541 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 15. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 01:08:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 01:08:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9A8D63C22 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:08:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 040C763B0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01648-02-59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.244]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 242B463AE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so420519cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:07:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fqUWaNBZH1MCFpvjg6lsm9apr44jCAHbFFbRpJjMcEHfvzy9mhKupcQ0racv3wS7F86V/TIRhBM04Q9D6h9W7+uOcbLk6THaZYfYDVvmRDH59xa0qUyp44wCG8nbaC/RdJFax84ZjCgeBVmnE3cCqW5G0WPubG7RsHrEuLyMnJk= Received: by 10.11.100.78 with SMTP id x78mr28514cwb; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:07:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e60411160807310e1489@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:07:20 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu It's a horrible marketing term, "killer application", but I'm curious if there was a single piece of software other than the OS itself that has brought you to use Plan 9 in your daily or at least weekly lives. People ask me all the time why I use plan 9 and I usually end up saying something nice about the acme editor or the overall environment. With plan9port some of that is very easily simulated natively on other Operating Systems. It just seems since Plan 9 isn't very POSIX or ANSI C [without APE] that it clearly won't build many unix apps out of the box. Conversely there might be some plan 9 application that isn't really available elsewhere either but really stands out. I'm not sure how people feel about advocacy but this is the sort of information people like to hear when they ask "why bother?" Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 01:12:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 01:12:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E51263D0F for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:11:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3377963B67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01648-02-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AA1663B5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: leimy2k@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:11:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60411160807310e1489@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > It's a horrible marketing term, "killer application", but I'm curious > if there was a single piece of software other than the OS itself that > has brought you to use Plan 9 in your daily or at least weekly lives. all the development environment. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 01:17:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 01:17:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B10563BDB for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:17:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2FAF63B74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07812-02-89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BE9A63B6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:17:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <70b89b72104ae7cd573a61dc83348534@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:17:08 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu for me it's not a "killer app" but a "killer protocol" -- 9p rulez, any way you look at it. user-level "mount" and "bind" come a close second and third :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 01:18:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 01:18:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DDEC63BEE for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:18:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98DA363C1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20810-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust141.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43EBF63C23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:17:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:28:26 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu venti + fossil must be pretty high up my list, cvs replaced by making it irrelevant - though I still have to use it with other teams. -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 01:38:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 01:38:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0021763B86 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:38:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E454A63AE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26465-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3CE3363ABD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so371200wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:37:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=GwqJZnXvIeTtj0+j4euXhCuRZbvFb7HQadYx8+nhGi3OkcXKx1aB4284KO72bbJsn/fBOaZpl036Q1xYWCS2OrX3KeBupEHrhUiCirrOYxZzuHqv8OlmLPjmKryW+92EXE/7/E2XTuClrFRRntHory3q9Km4jcc6KcPddoFAuKI= Received: by 10.54.49.6 with SMTP id w6mr367401wrw; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:37:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a477560411160837681d6223@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:37:52 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60411160807310e1489@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e60411160807310e1489@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:07:20 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: > It's a horrible marketing term, "killer application", but I'm curious > if there was a single piece of software other than the OS itself that For me it is yesterday(1) Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 02:04:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 02:04:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DB3F63C21 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:04:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CD1263AF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23020-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc1-nott7-3-0-cust142.nott.cable.ntl.com [82.5.140.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83BA2639FF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:04:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:07:18 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: <70b89b72104ae7cd573a61dc83348534@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu plumbing acme bind the only other apps I use are Apache, Postgresql & Firefox but all editing is done in plan9 via ssh / acme / u9fs / vncv I can't think of any drawbacks I am Davros, my Daleks are my servers and plan9 is my control board mwahahaha mm From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 02:10:51 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 02:10:51 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 982C363D7D for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:10:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02AC6AFA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26549-01-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 009A6AF84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:09:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <95646965ac5da823f380f5635ded96d3@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:15:52 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <70b89b72104ae7cd573a61dc83348534@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu the whole is (much) greater than the sum of its parts. for me, the whole question "what is plan 9's killer application?" is misguided - it comes from an arena where each piece of software tries to fulfil a complete end-user use scenario. in contrast, plan 9 has *tools*, few of which are by themselves sufficient to accomplish a particular goal; but it also provides an infrastructure that provides support for combining these tools together. if i build a tool in the plan 9 style, it instantly becomes an integrated part of the whole plan 9 "application". unix started down this road, but plan 9 goes so much further, by making it trivial to combine existing tools with aspects of a running program's interface. the fact that i can do something like: grep -i Plan /mnt/term/mail/fs/mbox/3136/body > /mnt/acme/new/body counts for an amazing amount. the only sad thing is that it lacks many of the tools that it would be nice to have, given the capabilities of today's hardware. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 03:56:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 03:56:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD34463BDB for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:56:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04A6C63A2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22968-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 585E463A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:55:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b9177d7432df88254f9b5bdf8a95276@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:55:38 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] interaction of lnfs and autocompletion X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Interaction of lnfs and Control-F autocompletion is interesting: cpu% touch a_very_long_file_name_with_an_unusual_extension.rob cpu% ls -l --rw-rw-r-- M 10426 fst fst 0 Nov 16 10:44 a_very_long_file_name_with_an_unusual_extension.rob [no matches in 6ek8trxtbrhgd93fnaj6n2bg9w] cpu% cat a_ver BTW, for me the only reason to develop on Plan9 is Glenda. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 04:31:00 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 04:31:00 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8984E63D1B for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:30:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBF1CB69A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07169-01-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07B0D639D2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:29:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2bb671db109de535914062d5cec26e36@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] interaction of lnfs and autocompletion Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:35:41 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <8b9177d7432df88254f9b5bdf8a95276@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Interaction of lnfs and Control-F autocompletion is interesting: it's not just lnfs. any local modifications of a window's namespace will have the same effect. try: bind /usr /tmp cd /tmp ^F From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 04:59:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 04:59:03 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 034C063AFB for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:59:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C3E463AF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11788-01-96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D33FE63AEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:58:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:04:17 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <2bb671db109de535914062d5cec26e36@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-xqwmhzdgayiclcrhkochywmpfb" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE, J_CHICKENPOX_16, J_CHICKENPOX_41, J_CHICKENPOX_74, J_CHICKENPOX_93, NO_REAL_NAME, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: **** Subject: [9fans] spin models X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-xqwmhzdgayiclcrhkochywmpfb Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've always thought the spin(1) protocol analyser was a perfect match for the concurrency primitives found in plan 9 and in Limbo. i've just had to think again. these concurrency primitives allow for dynamic creation of processes and channels. in particular, a fairly common idiom is (using Limbo syntax for brevity): c := chan of int; spawn someproc(c); <-c; where someproc() does something, sends on the channel c, and continues on its way. this idiom translates quite naturally into Promela: chan c = [0] of {bit}; run someproc(c); c?0 the problem is that promela allows only a static number of channels, and it doesn't garbage-collect old channels, so that, for instance, this Promela program: active proctype x() { do :: _nr_pr == 1 -> run f() od } proctype f() { chan sync = [0] of {bit}; } dies very quickly, saying "too many queues". (the _nr_pr condition is necessary to prevent exiting processes from building up). this is a pity, especially given that the spin manual itself suggests replacing function calls with process invocations - the "factorial" example given there dies if n > 257. i imagine there are a few spin users out there. is there a neat general solution to this problem (for instance, an automatic transformation). or should i just give up on making a spin model of my system? i've attached a copy of the model. cheers, rog. --upas-xqwmhzdgayiclcrhkochywmpfb Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=slave2.spin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #define Nproc 1 chan worktoken = [Nproc] of {bit}; chan newtask = [0] of {bit}; chan tasklock = [1] of {bit}; chan down = [0] of {int}; int nexcl = 0; int nproc = 0; #define EXCLUSIVE 2 #define EXISTS 1 active proctype mount() { int t; do :: down?t -> _nr_pr < Nproc*2 + 4 -> run processor(t) od } proctype processor(int t) { chan sync= [0] of {bit}; chan treply = [0] of {int}; /* * resubmit old task */ if :: t & EXISTS -> if :: skip -> down!t -> goto exit :: skip -> run taskfinish(sync, t); sync?0 fi :: else -> skip fi; do :: run runtask(treply) -> treply?t; if :: skip -> down!t; goto exit :: skip -> if :: t&EXISTS -> run taskfinish(sync, t); sync?0 :: else fi fi od; exit: skip } proctype runtask(chan treply) { int t, i; chan sync = [0] of {bit}; tasklock!0; newtask?0; if :: skip -> tasklock?0; treply!0; goto exit :: skip fi; /* * getworktoken */ if :: skip -> /* exclusive */ t = EXCLUSIVE|EXISTS; i = 0; do :: i == Nproc -> break :: i < Nproc -> worktoken?0; i = i + 1 od :: skip -> t = EXISTS; tasklock?0; worktoken?0 fi; /* * runtask2 */ if :: skip -> /* submit failed */ treply!t; goto exit :: skip fi; run taskfinish(sync, t); sync?0; treply!0; exit: skip } proctype taskfinish(chan sync; int t) { int i; if :: t & EXCLUSIVE -> i = 0; do :: i == Nproc -> break :: i < Nproc -> worktoken!0; i = i + 1 od; tasklock?0 :: (t & EXCLUSIVE) == 0 -> worktoken!0 :: else -> printf("shouldn't happen (t is %d)\n", t); fi; sync!0 } active proctype taskgen() { progress: do :: newtask!0 od } init { int i; i = 0; do :: i == Nproc -> break; :: i < Nproc -> worktoken!0; down!0; i = i + 1 od } --upas-xqwmhzdgayiclcrhkochywmpfb-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 06:10:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 06:10:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3124963B73 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:10:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6913E63A1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10025-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7F56639C4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAGL9akC023908; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id iAGL9ZJ08233; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:09:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200411162109.iAGL9ZJ08233@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Weird timeout thing in smtpd? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:31:15 EST." Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:09:35 -0500 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox writes: > > > So, the question is: what would cause send to take a *really* long > > time? I mean, on the order of seconds.... And, more to the point, > > how can I fix that? > > run send by hand and then run acid on it and look around. ;-) Following Russ's suggestion, we discovered that send was hanging out waiting for /mail/lib/qmail to finish, which was in turn waiting on runq. On systems with backlogged mail, runq can take a long time to complete. Running runq in the background makes the problem go away. The fix is now on sources. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 06:15:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 06:15:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D60B463B91 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:15:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73C1863A65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10025-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D64F163A54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1026267wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Xr+j805qLCjQakSZgzPh5+H4KTeR6ZgJIeLHfDqa214seIE/iHOxiIMBT62b63zWrpVYG39KMaQxwJqnNA+0oIgZAR77LX7+MviJO165c9IiKM4r0VYwGTsKiN0NUYjZ2KrYDoZTokBVvuIG7RLyMDEQZIw0Z8yFpAy9YHWfsNg= Received: by 10.54.4.26 with SMTP id 26mr137771wrd; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c06204111613147839133c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:14:30 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: <70b89b72104ae7cd573a61dc83348534@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <70b89b72104ae7cd573a61dc83348534@plan9.ucalgary.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:17:08 -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > user-level "mount" and "bind" come a close second and third :) I agree, along with Steve's venti + fossil. Relatedly, I was thinking on the drive this morning that Inferno could actually be an interesting alternative to either the standard p2p networks or even freenet, with SSL and union mounts support you could do some interesting things, in the "killer app" vein. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 06:25:01 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 06:25:01 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC1CE63B91 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:25:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5690063B15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09998-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from drax.ntdom.cupdx (drax.cu-portland.edu [65.170.220.179]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F2D363B00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from vargas.ntdom.cupdx ([65.170.220.154]) by drax.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:24:05 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4CC22.998C37DB" Subject: RE: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? 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Thread-Index: AcTMIV9vSbVwdqrXT3W2j/CnxnsFKgAAPT3L From: "Benjamin Huntsman" To: "Jack Johnson" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2004 21:24:05.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[99B31020:01C4CC22] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CC22.998C37DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 VW5pb24gZGlyZWN0b3JpZXMgYW5kIHRoZSBmaWxlLW9yaWVudGVkIHN5c3RlbS4uLiBiZWF1dGlm 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mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 09:29:32 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BA7163C5E for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:29:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68B9063BEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00338-01-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 625CB63BC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:28:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] spin models From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:07:51 0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i think a version of spin newer than that in plan 9 (ca. 2000) supports channel passing and dynamic processes. a glance at spinroot.com suggests that might be right. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 09:36:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 09:36:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9570763C59 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:36:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB4AB63C3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29471-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C82C63AB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:36:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <335a6e1be84ef0c9de79fa0d9b161c7e@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:15:12 0000 In-Reply-To: <95646965ac5da823f380f5635ded96d3@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>the only sad thing is that it lacks many of the tools that it would be >>nice to have, given the capabilities of today's hardware. the only sad thing is that it lacks many of the toys that it would be nice to have, given the capabilities of today's hardware. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 10:08:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 10:08:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BFE163CF8 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:08:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D330863C6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12347-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C64A063C65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:07:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48df445256fe3e5bac1a2c1734041fa0@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:08:51 +0900 In-Reply-To: <335a6e1be84ef0c9de79fa0d9b161c7e@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>the only sad thing is that it lacks many of the tools that it would be >>>nice to have, given the capabilities of today's hardware. >=20 > the only sad thing is that it lacks many of the toys that it would be > nice to have, given the capabilities of today's hardware. Ahaha, however, toys are very important to men to live.=E2=98=BA Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 10:48:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 10:48:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C397D63D16 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:48:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F231231925 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27885-02-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB00F3175C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:47:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2fe4e0d5cb1a688d9132cc6497531474@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:49:08 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > they've cunningly cloned MS Project > to the extent that they mess up the same way; they are quite promising = but > incomplete; they have many dependencies on other packages;=20 I'm now experiencing too many of reboot in recovering T42 disks, thanks MicroSoft for your best design of WinXP to whom to be fond of wasting their own time. =E2=98=BA I just wanted to update to WinXP SP2.= .. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 10:56:22 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 10:56:22 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7511863D28 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:56:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F28963BFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08437-02-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensemada.lava.net (ensemada.lava.net [64.65.64.27]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75E7563B95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by ensemada.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC2A300E6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:55:41 -1000 (HST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:55:41 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, I noticed that the /sys/src/boot/pc ether drivers seem to be at least somewhat based on the /sys/src/9/pc/ether* drivers, but somewhat out of date. What is the reason for seperately maintained files (are the interfaces significantly different)? How hard would it be to bring the boot ethernet drivers up to date with the kernel files (or better to have them share code)? Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 11:00:29 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 11:00:29 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB10B63D35 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:00:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0C6363D08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24751-01-66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACF9F63BFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-88-159.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.88.159]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4094637840 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:59:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <016801c4cc48$7e66bb70$9f587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2fe4e0d5cb1a688d9132cc6497531474@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:55:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > thanks MicroSoft for your best design of WinXP to whom to be fond of > wasting their own time. i wasted hours last night, for a mate, trying to turn on the 10/100-base-T ethernet RJ-45 interface. it wasn't a listed driver, all the drivers it could find didn't work and after several hundred windows and mouse clicks i found one checkbox that turned the damn thing on! words fail ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 11:10:28 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 11:10:28 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18EDE63D44 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:10:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4442A63D0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06440-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7270A63D18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:09:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8646f4629a0e396e87b1c335bb542adf@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:09:49 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The internals of the bootstraps are different from the internals of the kernels (which differ from each other). For example, the kernels have machinery such as kernel processes available to drivers. Some of these differences could be papered over with #defines and compatibility functions. On the other hand, the bootstrap drivers don't have to be very sophisticated. I'd love to have just one set of drivers, but there doesn't seem to be much interest-and-energy available to reconcile the kernels with each other and the bootstraps. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 11:12:21 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 11:12:21 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9DAF63D29 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:12:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DC1663D2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24751-01-87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98F6163D29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:11:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:11:42 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu It's mostly historic and most of the reasons have gone away. Sharing code with the current 9load code would be more trouble than it's worth. There are ideas for doing a better job by rewriting the bootstrap altogether, but who knows if/when it will ever be done. On Tue Nov 16 20:56:10 EST 2004, newsham@lava.net wrote: > Hi, I noticed that the /sys/src/boot/pc ether drivers seem to > be at least somewhat based on the /sys/src/9/pc/ether* drivers, > but somewhat out of date. What is the reason for seperately > maintained files (are the interfaces significantly different)? > How hard would it be to bring the boot ethernet drivers up to > date with the kernel files (or better to have them share code)? > > Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 11:15:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 11:15:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1022C63D64 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:15:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9FA9863D49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06440-01-66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B41163CF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:15:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:16:34 +0900 In-Reply-To: <016801c4cc48$7e66bb70$9f587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > find didn't work and after several hundred windows and mouse clicks > i found one checkbox that turned the damn thing on! We have no thick manual, because we don't need it. Yes, we can use our unlimited time for it. After wasting such long time, I have learned nothing from it! This is the most big difference from unices which I recognized so far. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 11:47:29 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 11:47:29 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D16763D64 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:47:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 966AD63D39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11057-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D677563D1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64339b676f694c26d1443c82e345c85c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] TV/FM tuner From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:47:56 +0900 In-Reply-To: <90a80c1eb44472e5229709a2bbb912a4@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Wow, I can see the TV on the drawterm window, which is slow though. >=20 > Slow for 640x480x16 window, of course. Then, I changed the channel from 4 to 6 (Japanese local sorry), the TV program on the drawterm changed of course, and another 9 terminal's TV channel did same.=E2=98=BA Well, of course, it should be so, because= I'm sharing the same TV device hunging on a CPU server... Silly, but felt interesti= ng. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 13:31:36 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 13:31:36 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96EB263DAB for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:31:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C26CB63D79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12807-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF12363D11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAH4UIFT015618 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:30:18 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAH4U4YJ009124 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:30:04 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAH4U4XT018089 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:30:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:30:04 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] xen news X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I just drawterm'ed into plan 9 under xen. This was Plan 9 with local kfs on virtual block device, with virtual network. Is it slow? yeah. Buggy? I'm sure. Are these things my fault? For sure. I'm going to submit code release request this week. Hope to have vmware images for people to play with in 2 weeks. Then you all can improve my code :-) ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 14:24:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 14:24:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2319863DB7 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:24:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0966DBF17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26164-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08A04BBA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:23:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5a1716e1eed179545aeafddbfa1e27d4@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:23:29 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i did find one program that would > compile and run under plan 9, so i've used that. it has been abandoned, > but i can cope. What's the name of it? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 16:28:28 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 16:28:28 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A98863E08 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:28:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B05E563DC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02876-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E37A863D9A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iAH7Rk8U026733 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:27:46 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:27:45 +0200 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:27:25 +0200 From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2004 07:27:45.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEB39410:01C4CC76] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > i should trade myself in as obsolete. Plan 9 - an operating system for those who think the grass used to be greener. Trade in your lawnmover and get a discount. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 18:01:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 18:01:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7CAF63F15 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:00:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FB8663C4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16645-02-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA02C63AF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:59:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:58:51 0000 In-Reply-To: <48df445256fe3e5bac1a2c1734041fa0@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu How about: immunity against Windows/GNU/Linux viruses, trojans, worms etc? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 17 18:28:47 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 17 18:28:47 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F23B4639C8 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:28:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2441F639CB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21212-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.241]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EE50639C6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so454661cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:28:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IGz213a0miUNlyb1MitF41km+vZok/i90kkP3kOoMh7gx5CXMc9DsO4l4BfpDzwvhgXANo42P4Aw78AuvdbgLogcilZp5LuiAQqkmysjczT4Ako2WkhTYBQYxRxP9uItkzD8it4JEpKy5gg++N0G0r5t/vyqPaJyAkP6D0bhoCY= Received: by 10.11.122.18 with SMTP id u18mr13207cwc; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:28:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604111701287a43d9a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:28:05 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] I think I borked my CPUFSAUTH config X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu For some reason I can connect and login to my plan 9 box via drawterm *only* when my fossil filesystem is configured with "-AWP". If I remove "-AWP" I get "?no match" in drawterm when attempting to log in. Any idea where I should look? I don't think I missed anything in the "Setting up a standalone CPU server" wiki page. Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 00:01:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 00:01:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D08E63E87 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:01:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 859DA63E37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29303-01-25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9851063E32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHF1IAm029083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:01:18 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHF14jX005968 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:01:04 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHF14XT003079 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:01:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:01:04 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Richard Miller wrote: > How about: immunity against Windows/GNU/Linux viruses, trojans, worms etc? it doesn't matter. you're not going to sell plan 9 to open office or microsoft office users, so stop worrying about it. It's a research OS still, may always be; the big issue now is to just keep it from dying. This discussion keeps coming up. It has no answer for desktop guys. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 00:36:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 00:36:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DEAA63EDD for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:36:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 64A6231E67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03030-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from coraid.com (ns1.coraid.com [65.14.39.133]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ECA1263E37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:35:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9e0dd08a5bd8022ad8760b54e360128d@coraid.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? From: Brantley Coile Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu To be more serious than probably required, here are my thoughts on the question of `Plan 9 killer apps.' The term killer app is somewhat misleading in that when we hear it we tend to think about the product not the user of the product. The term really means that there are groups of people who can use the benefits of that product over others, giving the product a competive advantage. The classic example is the Apple MacIntosh. It was lost as long as it was meant to replace the IBM PC, but as soon as folks at Apple realised that there were people in companies who need to work with typesetting and got the word out to them that the Mac was very good at desktop publishing, the Mac was a hit. This discussion has been indirectly doing that in talking about features, all of which, I think, are good ones. It seems to me, however, a better question would be who can benefit most from the unique features of Plan 9. Or, to put it another way, Who are the users and what are the benefits of Plan 9 features to them that they couldn't get any where else. Brantley Coile www.coraid.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 01:52:01 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 01:52:01 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12E4B63EA6 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:52:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC3D463E15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05355-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CED163E06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so452540wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:51:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FaiuOSHp8aPwo4tvwh6+540gm2HX/g/wM7ESMnz/LzJzMsO1bt7zrn7R668yrEb+cbFh/AXWyoCK+Eg7wPoWV9fyDliEinx33SExKUojraNE7iu/SGjW2OPUiE1wMl/FNHKhIViKglnd1a7dkBfgbx7+kfOkD6pVacpWpp9K39c= Received: by 10.54.43.21 with SMTP id q21mr51431wrq; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.51 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:51:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a477560411170851681c3959@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:51:17 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: <9e0dd08a5bd8022ad8760b54e360128d@coraid.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9e0dd08a5bd8022ad8760b54e360128d@coraid.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:57 -0500, Brantley Coile wrote: > unique features of Plan 9. Or, to put it another way, Who are the > users and what are the benefits of Plan 9 features to them that they > couldn't get any where else. As Ronald says, plan9 offers most benefit to researchers, students and developers. In my case I really like it because it is a system. I have had enough from this supercharged pseudo systems with thousands of not working/cooperating applications. Today it is really hard to get any benefit from a traditional system. They all have to many ballast from the past, to many bells and whistles, to many bugs and to many marketing droids. I'm not a developer or a researcher but for me, there is no alternative solution today. Maybe it is the "power of textfiles" or some kind of zen. I hope there are enough "good guys" out there to keep it alive. Otherwise I must throw my computers out of the window. :-) Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 02:26:25 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 02:26:25 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 935A363E27 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:26:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AAE563DF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26091-02-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from drax.ntdom.cupdx (drax.cu-portland.edu [65.170.220.179]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D2E763DEB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from vargas.ntdom.cupdx ([65.170.220.154]) by drax.ntdom.cupdx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:25:31 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4CCCA.709E202F" Subject: RE: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? 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Thu Nov 18 02:34:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 432C963EBF for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:34:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D945C63E2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26091-02-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DC2763E82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHHXmfc024243 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:48 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHHXZuM024900 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:35 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHHXZXT010843 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:35 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ah well, spoke too soon. The rc from the drawterm is going into Broke state. damn. One Last Bug, eh? ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 02:53:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 02:53:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8138163FB for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DCEB63E6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17189-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C564663E65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so909043wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:52:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=U4w2UUgW2mUWHoatmWXm5Je1MPG1YsB0mVy3L+DWppwRCOvE5eFEPco2wFJHEdTQQZ2Ob5nvfG+z3l7Ip/1MgFDzKwk+OBrPa0eIvBpBDi5+u9GbjyBEwyoFKvOoif7yFNzVx0Dz4RUV5VVvBBULTkBtHY0rnCpEpfCTu+zSNFw= Received: by 10.54.18.78 with SMTP id 78mr701783wrr; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:52:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c06204111709526d79bbe3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:52:05 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: <9e0dd08a5bd8022ad8760b54e360128d@coraid.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9e0dd08a5bd8022ad8760b54e360128d@coraid.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:57 -0500, Brantley Coile wrote: > This discussion has been indirectly doing that in talking about > features, all of which, I think, are good ones. It seems to me, > however, a better question would be who can benefit most from the > unique features of Plan 9. Or, to put it another way, Who are the > users and what are the benefits of Plan 9 features to them that they > couldn't get any where else. Nicely stated. I'm surprised we don't see more usage of venti to meet the document retention standards set by the states, the feds, or the SEC (for my fellow Americans, but bureaucracy seems to preceed starlings and killer bees across the planet, so I'm sure the rest of you have your own similar issues). -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 02:54:42 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 02:54:42 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B60A63E88 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:54:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C80236398F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15403-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BC9AC60B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1252074wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:53:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=naLUUkOpEWSvmQXWaJoUbKPDSPRupKxxMdbrpvFKrDWKRR6X206HAwHvE8FVCmdwqIcSplrnYaHNBQbb5u112aVwh39yTbEFMqdCuHwFzVWryMtXn9UDMS28qABvvZluifPNEiYmYDyhNACqQLFNV4muaVaUL2hJ97ch9M0LG/o= Received: by 10.54.15.13 with SMTP id 13mr6844wro; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:53:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c0620411170953314a03c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:53:51 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] I think I borked my CPUFSAUTH config In-Reply-To: <3e1162e604111701287a43d9a1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e604111701287a43d9a1@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:28:05 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: > For some reason I can connect and login to my plan 9 box via drawterm CPUFSAUTHSNAFU? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 03:09:11 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 03:09:11 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55A5363EE8 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:09:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7687963EDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09330-02-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B51263ECF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 6644C6FF8; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:19:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pat.uk.anvil.com (pat.anvil.co.uk [192.168.4.224]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785826FEC; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:19:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by pat.uk.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E331D1154A8; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <419B9336.1050702@anvil.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:06:46 +0000 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? References: <9e0dd08a5bd8022ad8760b54e360128d@coraid.com> <6e35c06204111709526d79bbe3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204111709526d79bbe3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'm surprised we don't see more usage of venti I'll be using it ASA I can, > to meet the document retention standards set by the states, the feds, or the SEC Yes, it does, but, unfortunately, it _doesn't_ meet the document shredding standards set by Enron, WorldCom, CIA, ... Dave. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 05:20:52 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 05:20:52 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9682863EFA for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:20:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 72EBC63DF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17567-01-98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B14E63DF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:19:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <785125d4ef5213ddcc39e0d45a716ad3@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:16:13 0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-rbwbhnakmzvrreelbefnpnumjy" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-rbwbhnakmzvrreelbefnpnumjy Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it will all be over by christmas. --upas-rbwbhnakmzvrreelbefnpnumjy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Wed Nov 17 17:33:23 GMT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3737963EBC for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:34:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D945C63E2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26091-02-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DC2763E82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHHXmfc024243 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:48 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHHXZuM024900 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:35 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHHXZXT010843 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:33:35 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu ah well, spoke too soon. The rc from the drawterm is going into Broke state. damn. One Last Bug, eh? ron --upas-rbwbhnakmzvrreelbefnpnumjy-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 05:37:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 05:37:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FC2B63ED0 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:37:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F84363D9C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00820-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from neuromancer.cse.psu.edu (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2E8363D99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by neuromancer.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server (Backup MX)) with ESMTP id 9744E2FD5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1040522rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:34:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ONNDwPDdJpIKTM2aNQ5YQHtP0eEmTTW5x0h71nS22K1lqrtzS6QSt3WGrtVE8m8YJ75xv9KIvV4Hi0L60jsUwftDcUhVdP+X5HZogPY9k8wdvyEcO3sbu84GX//LMsthACWQqDKm7jFOshvC/x40hQlIlAVUAbML+kRLEY8yxwI= Received: by 10.38.83.9 with SMTP id g9mr366784rnb; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.49 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:34:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c20411171234ad9f7b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:34:59 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: <7DD37218104E31429E79EB0BB136800E11C4B5@vargas.ntdom.cupdx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7DD37218104E31429E79EB0BB136800E11C4B5@vargas.ntdom.cupdx> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:25:31 -0800, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: > > Inferno makes a nice desktop, despite the fact that it's an OS in it's own right. It works for me, though, especially if you bind it's directories to the root, so that Inferno's namespace has access to the whole Plan9 filesystem... Having Inferno hosted on Windows or Linux and accessing the whole Plan 9 filesystem would suffice my needs for a nice desktop. To me it would be far nicer than drawterm. Perhaps Inferno might be a killer app of sorts. IMHO at least both Inferno and Plan 9 communities would benefit. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 05:53:36 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 05:53:36 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31F8263EC5 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:53:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 92FBA63E82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22777-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F2E663E6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so492067wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=kOwnqU1q6BEjONdCaV8zf0RnpRG/T+UeKGAokHcHTpbfyRwDpbaWr3HlKIkjSMyLEe+zhbl1dvG5eKLOwwdsp9T1jUGgbC0dzsMwB+SwMr2b/V6CaGzmdiyIzzExRaHFuT5u0SdV1e4wC1ln/g4zE08utjZVHdcEcbX+icL8N44= Received: by 10.54.18.55 with SMTP id 55mr642578wrr; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c062041117125251be6937@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. In-Reply-To: <785125d4ef5213ddcc39e0d45a716ad3@terzarima.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <785125d4ef5213ddcc39e0d45a716ad3@terzarima.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:16:13 0000, Charles Forsyth wrote: > it will all be over by christmas. Armageddon? Monopoly? Cascade failure of the food chain for the holidays? Special gift from Santa? I don't get it. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 06:01:38 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 06:01:38 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0E4B63EEE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:01:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CAE363E98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00820-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 61C8F63E3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1044494rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:00:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=kqPkCq15c8sN1TefVq/E01gD/QVgLg78rsBe/1Anczf5vP2G3CfLv/bZ13QZDD/VwHYY0eR25mrnF6ha8vRHxWar7R1vHL63hKuzG0brhwGa7HFcP7YyNvjilolJu0M+RnkPN+CMJVbzTAjPoQMk6vUcBbVYTWVH+4JpS5JZE8Q= Received: by 10.38.75.12 with SMTP id x12mr845017rna; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.49 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:53:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204111712534e243d69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:53:46 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60411160807310e1489@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e60411160807310e1489@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:07:20 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: > I'm not sure how people feel about advocacy but this is the sort of > information people like to hear when they ask "why bother?" On a lighter note, you can say that you are on a quest. That always gets folks attention. ;) IMHO being a Plan 9er has much in common with Don Quiote -- following a dream regardless of the current madness. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 06:36:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 06:36:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2618763EE2 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:36:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B0D763E7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03557-01-100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC88163DF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:35:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: knapjack@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:31:26 0000 In-Reply-To: <6e35c062041117125251be6937@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-crvqtzdhgkdqtvnrrvbkubmppx" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-crvqtzdhgkdqtvnrrvbkubmppx Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry: it was the phrase used near the start of the Great War --upas-crvqtzdhgkdqtvnrrvbkubmppx Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Wed Nov 17 20:52:37 GMT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E9CB63F0F for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:53:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 92FBA63E82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22777-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F2E663E6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so492067wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=kOwnqU1q6BEjONdCaV8zf0RnpRG/T+UeKGAokHcHTpbfyRwDpbaWr3HlKIkjSMyLEe+zhbl1dvG5eKLOwwdsp9T1jUGgbC0dzsMwB+SwMr2b/V6CaGzmdiyIzzExRaHFuT5u0SdV1e4wC1ln/g4zE08utjZVHdcEcbX+icL8N44= Received: by 10.54.18.55 with SMTP id 55mr642578wrr; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c062041117125251be6937@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:52:49 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. In-Reply-To: <785125d4ef5213ddcc39e0d45a716ad3@terzarima.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <785125d4ef5213ddcc39e0d45a716ad3@terzarima.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:16:13 0000, Charles Forsyth wrote: > it will all be over by christmas. Armageddon? Monopoly? Cascade failure of the food chain for the holidays? Special gift from Santa? I don't get it. -Jack --upas-crvqtzdhgkdqtvnrrvbkubmppx-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 06:39:20 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 06:39:20 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E97C63EDB for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:39:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15BC863EA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26204-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 761D863EA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:38:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <847a86c6c0bca61228c9207f82a56ad1@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:38:36 -0500 From: Sape Mullender In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > sorry: it was the phrase used near the start of the Great War > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:16:13 0000, Charles Forsyth > wrote: >> it will all be over by christmas. Didn't President Bush paraphrase that in March of this year when he suggested `it will all be over by Easter'? (and can a 9fan be a bushfan?) Sape From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 07:26:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 07:26:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E259663F8B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:26:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24BC263EEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08641-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3A7D63EE8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHMQ7gI006226 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:26:07 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHMPrRw019456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:25:53 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAHMPrXT025279 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:25:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:25:53 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu this is actually kind of interesting. The rc is dying very reliably when I run ps. Now, watching the system calls (I log them all to a debug stream) I see a child of rc opening up rc's notepg and writing to it ... rc goes away, does not pass go, life is bad, Ogg is confused. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 08:08:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 08:08:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9937663FBE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:07:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF81763F49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08641-01-86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CE9563F46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:07:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014333aa7c12a8b3708cf92ab76e83df@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:07:11 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is probably unrelated, but I had infrequent and mysterious rc breakage until I recompiled rc from source. The new binary was not quite the same size as the old one and hasn't broken yet. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 08:17:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 08:17:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1274E63F78 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:17:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57DE563F24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08678-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E30D63EBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:16:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:16:39 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204111709526d79bbe3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Actually /sys/src/fs with a WORM jukebox strikes me as a better archival system than venti, especially if one is really concerned about immutability. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 08:18:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 08:18:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46B1563F61 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:18:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1172F63F45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19543-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB98263F24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:17:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <832b3ee0f90e21e3225207d48b8a7d54@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:17:36 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <847a86c6c0bca61228c9207f82a56ad1@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > and can a 9fan be a bushfan? what kind of bush are we talking about? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 09:06:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 09:06:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B54063F80 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:06:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F9C663F42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19543-01-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C58463F41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1296659wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:06:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uhVHBooV3Wh1ICR2CCHoUougbyH6utml/jK4YYLKtnnF29Vd4iSoTQ02Ep3BhK0iPEkX/0aL4TbUmCUBwhPFbehFRguPeyFci3OhUSCVzez+0aqM9Ot0O+N/LXfGHcJRjqSKI+1v3zmwz671oDbIuBnYWuwIXwaJFd5t16KrZbA= Received: by 10.54.15.13 with SMTP id 13mr74734wro; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:06:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c062041117160648281cc8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:06:09 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6e35c06204111709526d79bbe3@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:16:39 -0800, geoff@collyer.net wrote: > Actually /sys/src/fs with a WORM jukebox strikes me as a better > archival system than venti, especially if one is really concerned > about immutability. I think more about longevity and sheer size. I think in Sean's original paper or the wiki it mentions making arenas some reasonable size -- say 650MB -- so you can make archival copies of the arenas in case of disaster. Burn an archival-quality copy to CD (or multiple CDs) and store them away for seven years in redundant locations, and you're well on your way to meeting a whole slew of legal requirements. If you get paranoid about the live arenas, you can always go back and compare checksums against the archived versions. Plus, if you're saving seven years' worth of data, venti seems a little more efficient at using the available storage space (*WARNING* -- layman speaking). Now, using WORM drives for venti arenas might be even better.... I did chuckle at the statement about shredability, because I often picture RIAA or the BSA rooting through someone's venti archive looking for copyrighted material. That MP3 deleted two days later just lingers, waiting for the right lawyer to come along. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 09:08:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 09:08:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D45E63F7C for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:08:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5024663F63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27140-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8978B63F40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so651682wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:07:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=XFOFgK3vUc53vt/bd9zcBB7wRJxh0jlLwC94z9Faikr0VMYRRI8XqBN+hVTdXH1nJMDk0eipIsbKZbSV6YqXktERQNG9xJcnupCAd4CID7nWLfWCc+1Ro0NY5i7cI2p2bNaneb4loK9AaQZdBb5VuTyHkC4gpfi20zgBcsZGpRE= Received: by 10.54.18.55 with SMTP id 55mr689603wrr; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:07:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c06204111716074e3c0ad7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:07:42 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. In-Reply-To: <832b3ee0f90e21e3225207d48b8a7d54@9netics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <847a86c6c0bca61228c9207f82a56ad1@plan9.bell-labs.com> <832b3ee0f90e21e3225207d48b8a7d54@9netics.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:17:36 -0800, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > and can a 9fan be a bushfan? > > what kind of bush are we talking about? Clearly not shrubbery. Unless you mean Heather. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 09:09:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 09:09:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA23C63F70 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:09:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE55A63F72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24722-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5041363F6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1296990wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:09:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pfrDeavLXYMksDdSyuz8DdJ0Mk0e1ObLKQRzcTDIYrkB28GiHhCfDVB1BjaGsICpAbuUfIHAUilL/FWIFEktENGvZO2AesB3GY1HRlTsUk1GVjnS7+salW1jarHhVThqWttFdXH+iGgQi2wTErzxes9oM7izlTqszv/lqsmDEIk= Received: by 10.54.15.13 with SMTP id 13mr76946wro; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:09:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c06204111716096d2b6e76@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:09:11 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204111716074e3c0ad7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <847a86c6c0bca61228c9207f82a56ad1@plan9.bell-labs.com> <832b3ee0f90e21e3225207d48b8a7d54@9netics.com> <6e35c06204111716074e3c0ad7@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:07:42 -0800, Jack Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:17:36 -0800, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > what kind of bush are we talking about? > > Clearly not shrubbery. Unless you mean Heather. I suppose there's also fans of rural Africa/Australia/Alaska. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 09:17:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 09:17:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 72F0563F4B for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:17:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36BE4639F5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23382-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8006B639A5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id iAI5Wjao016276; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:32:45 -0600 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:32:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <42346.192.11.226.116.1100755965.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <6e35c062041117160648281cc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e35c06204111709526d79bbe3@mail.gmail.com> <6e35c062041117160648281cc8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:32:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Jack Johnson" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I did chuckle at the statement about shredability, because I often > picture RIAA or the BSA rooting through someone's venti archive > looking for copyrighted material. That MP3 deleted two days later > just lingers, waiting for the right lawyer to come along. > i used to think about clinton! 'erasing' is a problem with venti. dharani From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 09:56:23 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 09:56:23 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A94ED63FD4 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:56:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BB6463F18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10119-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from neuromancer.cse.psu.edu (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88BE163EA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by neuromancer.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server (Backup MX)) with ESMTP id 45E122FD5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1076395rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:54:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=VZRFVyWJhBuiJA/BBFb5yLHAw5tr4RTrLK6iBsJ60RvvCcJYDUugXomH3eoLjNQJ8/gPq+icafBbwJE62Vutc/aQcLEffHtWnlaFvT4lQftuezwB/vFOm8GK0HTltE5V6twvXb7RslnoXUApEIFdh7lxrL/HTggGzOwuJVaNXdg= Received: by 10.38.83.9 with SMTP id g9mr499143rnb; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.49 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:54:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204111716543de2b0cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:54:40 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:11:42 -0500, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > It's mostly historic and most of the reasons have gone away. > Sharing code with the current 9load code would be more trouble > than it's worth. There are ideas for doing a better job by > rewriting the bootstrap altogether, but who knows if/when it > will ever be done. Are you looking for volunteers for creating a new bootstrap? If so, then maybe a working group could be formed... something akin to what EricVH has done with v9fs. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 09:58:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 09:58:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F0E363FE9 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:58:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FF8E63F78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27153-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 061A563F4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:57:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:59:32 +0900 In-Reply-To: <9e0dd08a5bd8022ad8760b54e360128d@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The term killer app is somewhat misleading in that when we hear it we > tend to think about the product not the user of the product. I think 'killer app' of WinXP is for kindergarent. This is because we can find many so-called 'HOWTO use XXX" (of course written in Japanese), and when I looked into those books, there are many pictures, yes, only the pictures, everywhere. Probably the readers can understand "HOW TO use XXX" by those. I suppose those way to learn are, porobably, typically adopted in our kindergarten. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 10:13:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 10:13:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B888663FE3 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:13:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BB8463F2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11012-01-25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8773963F0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:12:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5c1efca4c9647f93447d7cf0ac303d15@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:14:21 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Ron, please forgive me to make a silly question. Does Xen enable to use a machine as both for Linux box and Plan 9 CPU server? I mean I'm running a machine usually for Linux box, then, Xen can enable the machine also for Plan 9 CPU server without rebooting (I don't say terminal, because it looks not so worthy at least to me... Sorry, I don't understand yet what is Xen. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 10:29:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 10:29:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5479763FF7 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:29:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5704263F73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22510-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29C4B63F6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so1105628rng for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:28:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KLs+sPT4O0zes2t22GhB1XkMIIFsRaFqPXB9B654WMmzRrbbBAn/aUX2Ntz5BxYZVZhZJ+sLvL5DTW8TvlFzN6AbTvn/BpU1MuyVi47b+TPKp9Qz/K3U14UEwjYAwFHPRChndsinu//FJKIwCnXCpLgXc1J1/AUuDk7PSPFkZ+g= Received: by 10.38.165.21 with SMTP id n21mr214363rne; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.67.2 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:28:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:28:20 -0600 From: Eric Van Hensbergen To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <32a656c204111716543de2b0cd@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <32a656c204111716543de2b0cd@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Van Hensbergen , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:54:40 +0900, Vester Thacker wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:11:42 -0500, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com > wrote: > > Are you looking for volunteers for creating a new > bootstrap? If so, then maybe a working group > could be formed... something akin to what EricVH > has done with v9fs. > Personally, I'd rather see us punt on the whole loader issue where-ever possible. It seems reasonable enough to use "other people's loaders" to boot Plan 9. I believe Ron talks about booting Plan 9 from LinuxBIOS on the Wiki and I'm sure other loaders could be made to work. We have enough to do without having to worry about writing boot loaders. -eric From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 10:57:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 10:57:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2D49C6755 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:56:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35E845EC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11012-01-81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 558E332E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF7D17214 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:56:05 -1000 (HST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:56:05 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: <42346.192.11.226.116.1100755965.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Message-ID: References: <6e35c06204111709526d79bbe3@mail.gmail.com> <6e35c062041117160648281cc8@mail.gmail.com> <42346.192.11.226.116.1100755965.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i used to think about clinton! 'erasing' is a problem with venti. So dont put the files in venti? Seems like the ideal mix is venti for long-lived important documents and something else for files that turn over more often or require a short lifetime. > dharani Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 11:33:37 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 11:33:37 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F4BF63FC0 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:33:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC3A163E4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11340-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50F4563E70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1308832wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:32:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=NpIH2/ojv0LQI7CIi3TMUB3Gd+orDeT/hWmuy+2pVp4F2cq366e/2zWrfaMAeeCw2GdUJGE+ydshSL9WKTgUM26ZG2VtYgyC9gUgiMiWO3NfUon+xEyPPhk8CNpARA9dg6dqglcEa872WIU5qKT0O52YtcZbURg1OH6izMheO5o= Received: by 10.54.15.13 with SMTP id 13mr155688wro; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.13.55 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:32:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:32:42 -0500 From: Karl Magdsick To: Eric Van Hensbergen , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <32a656c204111716543de2b0cd@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Karl Magdsick , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu How difficult would it be to make the Plan9 kernel compliant with the MultiBoot standard? This would seem to be the path of least resistance for getting the Plan9 kernel working with other bootloaders. In addition to working "out of the box" with MultiBoot bootloaders, there are tools that will wrap any MultiBoot kernel (plus any modules) along with some stub code into an image that can be booted by any bootloader that can boot a Linux kernel. There is a similar tool to get any MultiBoot kernel (plus any modules) to mimic one of the BSD kernels. -Karl On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:28:20 -0600, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:54:40 +0900, Vester Thacker > wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:11:42 -0500, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com > > wrote: > > > > Are you looking for volunteers for creating a new > > bootstrap? If so, then maybe a working group > > could be formed... something akin to what EricVH > > has done with v9fs. > > > > Personally, I'd rather see us punt on the whole loader issue > where-ever possible. It seems reasonable enough to use "other > people's loaders" to boot Plan 9. I believe Ron talks about booting > Plan 9 from LinuxBIOS on the Wiki and I'm sure other loaders could be > made to work. We have enough to do without having to worry about > writing boot loaders. > > -eric > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 11:40:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 11:40:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F0B663EE2 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:40:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BEF963E70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26269-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC4B063E4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-88-159.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.88.159]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D81E67259 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:39:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <023f01c4cd17$44c29040$9f587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <847a86c6c0bca61228c9207f82a56ad1@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:35:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Didn't President Bush paraphrase that in March of this year when he suggested > `it will all be over by Easter'? sure, like Hill 881. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 11:44:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 11:44:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78EB763FF4 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:44:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D5B363F5D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12416-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91FFA63F38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:43:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1285048a44ca7a9d3c339d95924f2745@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:43:22 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The main complication is that the Plan 9 bootstraps also read and parse plan9.ini and leave the results in a known place for the loaded kernel. I suppose that code could be moved into the kernels. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 12:09:51 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 12:09:51 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 947ACC677F for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:09:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17E4463FF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11340-01-100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B1FC63FEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0283E172EF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:09:06 -1000 (HST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:09:05 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <1285048a44ca7a9d3c339d95924f2745@collyer.net> Message-ID: References: <1285048a44ca7a9d3c339d95924f2745@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The main complication is that the Plan 9 bootstraps also read and > parse plan9.ini and leave the results in a known place for the loaded > kernel. I suppose that code could be moved into the kernels. Changing them to cmd line arguments should be fairly straightforward, no? Dont most the other platforms (other than "386") get by without a .ini file? Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 12:17:33 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 12:17:33 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CEB0C671E for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:17:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB2DA63FF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13720-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDEF463FF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:16:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6b8af63a9aff0dbdbf3f1a2166f9943e@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:49 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Command line to what? The kernels don't have command lines. The other platforms generally are much better defined. The PC just happened, and so there's all sorts of ad hocery to cope with, such as the lack of a proper boot prom capable of bootp/dhcp/tftp loading and of accepting console configuration commands. The alphapc port actually does read a plan9.ini file from /alpha/conf, much like the newer /cfg/pxe. Of course you have to be able to find your main Ethernet interface in order to load those files... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 12:41:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 12:41:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBF5563E56 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:41:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2336A63EAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26851-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA49C63DDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1092077rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Iul+aRWDof4qULLLx+agNrmE1JYOUrgA74AerRyXPIVhELb+JQV+SOnOVa+3crPpsA9ntNItBBXvkmc/Mvh0UliMlzB9bRmulR+4Bmcm2PnwOvIz3jUlE13u5ibFm+eGms3Rf24b4XhAVK/0fqaRi5GQw93VQivwnlOhRbCH+mI= Received: by 10.38.74.36 with SMTP id w36mr257282rna; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:40:31 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1285048a44ca7a9d3c339d95924f2745@collyer.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu the other platforms run on much less variable hardware so the config can easily be hard-wired. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 12:55:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 12:55:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E26E063E92 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:55:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D830863D99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26201-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C3AB63DD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so958119wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:54:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gOurxw2nl2AfTm8/uP/bYv3mF+n4fah9IzYPMwIVG6Se0Eby0Tb+j32frGgPXoyA//5ts/W97SFZV5Bw33fq49/wah6EM+B/VWShfFGQFlrme/x1n3T8Ud5CRIsB23n9QluvxpxQq9Yr3Jz9QpVHCHx7SIBIDvT1FJVAt0MAEZU= Received: by 10.54.38.45 with SMTP id l45mr809934wrl; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.10 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:54:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c06204111719543e8d6657@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:54:37 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6e35c06204111709526d79bbe3@mail.gmail.com> <6e35c062041117160648281cc8@mail.gmail.com> <42346.192.11.226.116.1100755965.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:56:05 -1000 (HST), Tim Newsham wrote: > So dont put the files in venti? Seems like the ideal mix is > venti for long-lived important documents and something else > for files that turn over more often or require a short lifetime. The problem with some of the document retention standards is the nebulous definition of what needs to be kept. For instance, where I live the state requires any documents that communicate daily schedules of state-funded employees or communications regarding policy or working/draft policy to be kept for (I think) three years. Because bureaucrats and not geeks set the standards, we're left wondering how often one should snapshot, say, calendar data in Exchange to ensure that transient changes in schedules are kept at a best-effort level to meet state standards. We archive all mail sent and received to alleviate the need to content-filter email for differing 3-, 5- or 7-year standards, just as many companies bound by the SEC now archive all instant message traffic regardless of content. The beauty of a system like venti is that the minimal amount of space is used for redundant data regardless of name, organizational change or timestamp, and it relieves the archiver from deciding what is important and what isn't. Though copyright-infringing data is troublesome in a permanent archive, it's exactly the reason to archive (nearly) everything when bound by stringent rules -- to ensure the rules are followed and to easily track compliance. Watching people implement various document retention standards on various platforms really makes you appreciate the simplicity and cost-effectiveness of venti as a possible solution. A handy vac client for commercial platforms set to a specific schedule by policy would be a "killer app" for many organizations. -Jack A little light reading: http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6315_11-5054924.html http://www.cio.com/archive/031503/tl_washington.html A solution: http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/vitalfileretention A bureaucratic example: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/archives/pdf/School%20Districts%20March%202003.pdf From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 12:55:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 12:55:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5317663FAF for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:55:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA04263EA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14447-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C891963E3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B52172A9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:54:51 -1000 (HST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:54:51 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <6b8af63a9aff0dbdbf3f1a2166f9943e@collyer.net> Message-ID: References: <6b8af63a9aff0dbdbf3f1a2166f9943e@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Command line to what? The kernels don't have command lines. Many boot loaders provide arguments to the booting kernel. I don't think it should be very difficult to craft a command line such as: 9pcdisk bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fs *nomp=1 monitor=multisync75 vgasize=1024x768x8 parsing this out from a single argument buffer should be a trivial addition to the current sources. Looks like getting at this data is pretty simple: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/multiboot/html_node/Boot-information-format.html#Boot%20information%20format Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 13:01:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 13:01:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71C9563FAF for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:01:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20DE063F69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13854-01-96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A901D63F30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1093753rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:01:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Q/0w8O5LkQ3755d0BFmU9jnpTsjS+TVamIh8z7nnUd2zgRk7laNXplqb6KTYA4M2p4U6XsoAKcc+HR/+7zd5BmnyuFs8D0UqGvKg3sCF+xBeK1Fr2kbeXOyZY6uWT72y9vxcR6vbJMTujU3Wp4EpHl9nRyfZ8RCucV/lEdK8WuQ= Received: by 10.38.171.64 with SMTP id t64mr869918rne; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:01:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:01:03 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6b8af63a9aff0dbdbf3f1a2166f9943e@collyer.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu the boot process is crappy enough. let's not make it crappier. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 13:17:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 13:17:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 473AA63FBE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BCFD63F84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00763-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D28363F88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (h00095b53ce25.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.50.194]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004111804164701100ol4nte>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:16:47 +0000 Message-ID: <419C222B.2070902@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:16:43 -0500 From: bs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers References: <6b8af63a9aff0dbdbf3f1a2166f9943e@collyer.net> In-Reply-To: <6b8af63a9aff0dbdbf3f1a2166f9943e@collyer.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: balajis@comcast.net, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu geoff@collyer.net wrote: > Command line to what? The kernels don't have command lines. > > The other platforms generally are much better defined. The PC just > happened, and so there's all sorts of ad hocery to cope with, such as > the lack of a proper boot prom capable of bootp/dhcp/tftp loading and > of accepting console configuration commands. The alphapc port > actually does read a plan9.ini file from /alpha/conf, much like the > newer /cfg/pxe. Of course you have to be able to find your main > Ethernet interface in order to load those files... in the case of PXE boot why not get it from a DHCPREQUEST? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 13:27:20 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 13:27:20 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A68F63DB2 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:27:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F157B00E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00763-01-67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A7864B54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1095673rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:26:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=q2S+AJdfj47zw0GtCotJVVceXfGyG1TsdvO/PDGg57XDgnJg1bTYPn9/PbVa4Q7R6GiT4nW9HJ3/W/TANgv68dq2qwkxseH11FAx9LiLVoT1cQSHGgdNzIyWOwBl3HM+lGCVCur+P9lpzDwn0C8RqqLSfgCPbtDLEVTiRLEhqhg= Received: by 10.38.75.12 with SMTP id x12mr1028098rna; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.49 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:26:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204111720266056314c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:26:38 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <1285048a44ca7a9d3c339d95924f2745@collyer.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1285048a44ca7a9d3c339d95924f2745@collyer.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:43:22 -0800, geoff@collyer.net wrote: > The main complication is that the Plan 9 bootstraps also read and > parse plan9.ini and leave the results in a known place for the loaded > kernel. I suppose that code could be moved into the kernels. Couldn't we have a single large kernel with all the drivers for installation purposes? Could we have the user build and/or a kernel during the install process for the type of Plan 9 computer that is desired rather than the current scheme? Would this lessen the need for a plan9.ini during the initial installation bootstrap? I don't advocate plan9.ini being depreciated, only that it should not be required initially. IMHO this might be advantagous considering floppy drives are obsolete. Sorry if this obfuscates the matter a bit. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 13:34:41 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 13:34:41 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE43263FBD for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:34:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8F7631784 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14383-03-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D43F63D85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1096195rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:34:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=J43Jz5Y+ZKsmujq3UwRL93gwGojOsteRWoPbm07Ync5/R/64gN1/qdvvI3Z5gps2siyW/22ACpS+dxaWIQt9jEWX6bUCjdQ0g9o1mP5IOxtr4sTQaO5Z0sZR7SvdoK18dro4Gg65vMf8HD/nICfQokPEz4g/eeRjjK3jimIK9Mo= Received: by 10.38.104.80 with SMTP id b80mr279072rnc; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.49 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:34:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c2041117203445409d8b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:34:03 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <32a656c204111720266056314c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1285048a44ca7a9d3c339d95924f2745@collyer.net> <32a656c204111720266056314c@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:26:38 +0900, Vester Thacker wrote: >Could we have the user build and/or a kernel >during the install process for the type of Plan 9 >computer that is desired rather than the current >scheme? Sorry, that should have read: Could we have the user build and/or select a kernel during the install process for the type of Plan 9 computer that is desired rather than the current scheme? -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 13:51:00 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 13:51:00 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAF59C6711 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:50:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5882063FB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14447-01-90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.246]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B73263FB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so495778cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:50:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=aU+ryhdG5n5EHcLIHWOWjdmmpsDykVXNZAAxf2OSTxp3EBMmUG08EI+8i+7NqLoZWsXaAEnLgtFACF4IN9qD24oktUjDh5yGc505W5WEgENTpTdfBoyM6uaA3v4fKf6tfSiFNp22YvSEHrhfNlPmxLbB9K6wXAHpUUbWt9Yt4r0= Received: by 10.11.100.71 with SMTP id x71mr162109cwb; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:50:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e60411172050317b26d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:50:17 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: <5c1efca4c9647f93447d7cf0ac303d15@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5c1efca4c9647f93447d7cf0ac303d15@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Sorry, I don't understand yet what is Xen. > Xen is a "virtual machine monitor". It allows you to host other operating systems, kind of similar to the way you might run many instances of VMWare on a linux/windows box but with a more "performant" implementation. Xen doesn't try to emulate too much hardware and it actually multiplexes the hardware you have. As such, you can run many different "domains" with Linux, NetBSD or Plan 9 [once Ron irons out the last few bugs...:)]. I had a Xen installation up until a few minutes ago when I hosed my machine doing something else :). Basically you use GRUB to boot Xen and then a special "Xen-linux" as a controlling "domain 0". From there you can start a xen daemon which lets you create new domains with configuration files to assign disk partitions or files as filesystems for other kernels. It's fairly cool stuff. http://xen.sf.net has some information I believe. It's also really easy to build Xen2 from source. The makefile even downloads the kernel and patches it for you IIRC so getting started is pretty easy. I'm buying extra disks just to play with it from my local mom'n'pop computer store up the street [support the little guy!!!]. Dave > Kenji > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 13:54:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 13:54:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7F67C6729 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:54:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6011263FBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14456-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D28B63FBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:53:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <90434074e615c95c1ad55afb9f6687eb@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:53:23 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:11:42 -0500, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > It's mostly historic and most of the reasons have gone away. > Sharing code with the current 9load code would be more trouble > than it's worth. There are ideas for doing a better job by > rewriting the bootstrap altogether, but who knows if/when it > will ever be done. By 'rewriting the bootstrap altogether' I would make it go away altogether and use the kernel to boot another kernel. We can do this already but some of the details are a bit messy and a tidy up and re-organisation would be a good idea; this is likely to fall out of something else I hope to be doing soon. How you get the first (bootstrap) kernel into memory could be the same as now, using whatever methods you like - Plan 9 MBR/PBS, Grub, LILO, LinuxBIOS, PXE, whatever. On Wed Nov 17 20:29:00 EST 2004, ericvh@gmail.com wrote: > ... > We have enough to do without having to worry about > writing boot loaders. > > -eric Agreed. On Wed Nov 17 23:01:38 EST 2004, russcox@gmail.com wrote: > the boot process is crappy enough. > let's not make it crappier. Agreed. --jim From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 15:05:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 15:05:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94839C6797 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:05:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7947FC679A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08029-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85D2AC6795 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1101919rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:04:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=smGtag9dYWEvy/n4Remi9KBLNXO1qBpW+68tIZ508J8Vg7zs6TgCYOunSLyAJtb4gCpGMRj1rCiDp08qySIUrXFYNm+2Wjgk/2hx35GEDTov8QVFSwSygDw2PpGJv4tJc9fP87xIl+M3CImfKbjlKqfbe6xcVcuizWc4SMKvCUM= Received: by 10.38.79.45 with SMTP id c45mr4578rnb; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.49 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:04:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204111722042b60b689@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:04:39 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <90434074e615c95c1ad55afb9f6687eb@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <90434074e615c95c1ad55afb9f6687eb@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:53:23 -0500, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > By 'rewriting the bootstrap altogether' I would make it go away > altogether and use the kernel to boot another kernel. We can do this > already but some of the details are a bit messy and a tidy up and > re-organisation would be a good idea; this is likely to fall out > of something else I hope to be doing soon. How you get the first > (bootstrap) kernel into memory could be the same as now, using > whatever methods you like - Plan 9 MBR/PBS, Grub, LILO, LinuxBIOS, > PXE, whatever. > > On Wed Nov 17 20:29:00 EST 2004, ericvh@gmail.com wrote: > > ... > > We have enough to do without having to worry about > > writing boot loaders. > > > > -eric > > Agreed. > > > > On Wed Nov 17 23:01:38 EST 2004, russcox@gmail.com wrote: > > the boot process is crappy enough. > > let's not make it crappier. > > Agreed. > > --jim > Sorry to be the one to say this, but to me that comes off like "don't futz with code until we get our projects done". Where is the openness in that? Maybe it's just me. I'll drop the subject. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 15:46:22 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 15:46:22 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FEAFC67C2 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:46:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0275DC67A5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07969-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.edu.ee (mail.edu.ee [193.40.0.15]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9FF4C67A4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.edu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42559974E1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from mail.edu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.edu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04778-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from elvis.mailgw.itcollege.ee (itk-gw.itcollege.ee [193.40.194.222]) by mail.edu.ee (Postfix) with SMTP id 22470974BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from 195-50-221-17-dsl.prn.estpak.ee[193.40.194.188]:4320 (EHLO ernie.itcollege.ee) by elvis.mailgw.itcollege.ee ([193.40.194.180]:6400) (F-Secure Anti-Virus for Internet Mail 6.40.122 Release) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:45:35 -0000 Received: from itcollege.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ernie.itcollege.ee (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0I7D002KW43Z81@ernie.itcollege.ee> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:35 +0200 (EET) Received: from [192.168.7.5] by ernie.itcollege.ee (mshttpd); Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:35 +0200 From: bmaroshe@itcollege.ee Subject: Re: [9fans] xen news To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-id: <30f9d30561.3056130f9d@itcollege.ee> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at edu.ee X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Hope to have vmware images for people to play with in 2 weeks. > Then you > all can improve my code :-) Any other means of distribution? Maybe we can put xen ported kernel on floppy/cd images? Would it work like this? > > ron boris From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 16:11:38 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 16:11:38 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 098E0C67DC for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:11:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00DA9C674C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24874-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7C65C674A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:10:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:10:42 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-tzbuorkmdjmgeldhmugjhgvaln" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tzbuorkmdjmgeldhmugjhgvaln Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's just plan9.ini with data supplied by a different boot loader, presumably at a different memory address. I'd rather have the kernel pick the first (supported) ethernet interface in the PCI tables and use that to boot load via /cfg/pxe, thus putting the plan9.ini's in one place. --upas-tzbuorkmdjmgeldhmugjhgvaln Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from collyer.net ([216.240.55.183]) by collyer.net; Wed Nov 17 19:55:40 PST 2004 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by collyer.net; Wed Nov 17 19:55:39 PST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E7FCC6744 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:55:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA04263EA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14447-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C891963E3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B52172A9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:54:51 -1000 (HST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:54:51 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <6b8af63a9aff0dbdbf3f1a2166f9943e@collyer.net> Message-ID: References: <6b8af63a9aff0dbdbf3f1a2166f9943e@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+geoff.9fans=collyer.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+geoff.9fans=collyer.net@cse.psu.edu > Command line to what? The kernels don't have command lines. Many boot loaders provide arguments to the booting kernel. I don't think it should be very difficult to craft a command line such as: 9pcdisk bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fs *nomp=1 monitor=multisync75 vgasize=1024x768x8 parsing this out from a single argument buffer should be a trivial addition to the current sources. Looks like getting at this data is pretty simple: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/multiboot/html_node/Boot-information-format.html#Boot%20information%20format Tim N. --upas-tzbuorkmdjmgeldhmugjhgvaln-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 19:34:22 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 19:34:22 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E75CC63E38 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:34:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9641831894 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:33:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03140-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA5CA31739 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:33:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <915c97f376f5144a6241019f1eda6c01@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers From: C H Forsyth Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:39:40 0000 In-Reply-To: <32a656c204111722042b60b689@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>Sorry to be the one to say this, but to me that comes off like "don't >>futz with code until we get our projects done". Where is the openness >>in that? Maybe it's just me. I'll drop the subject. not really. i think it's more along the lines of: if someone is looking for something to do that would be particularly helpful, at the moment, of all the things that we might suggest, the bootstrap would not be placed high on the list, even though no one regards having to fuss with plan9.ini as a good thing. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 20:46:04 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 20:46:04 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57177C6774 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:46:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 821F263E66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22559-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCBE5BAA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1119507rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:45:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=EHrC1bixLhHV/9xbAOatl4MROt3km2gzrV4o+Prw8Ov708Ns/nOr5rr0e+A0KFMs3g2v+NylyBrZeTb9ozuc1T2v6aWfy05V/fnymy4cAP77Dm52oxmoIxcrHDPzubbAik+sLuZcWcAovBwNZMQwU68022EErHBQ5Rr+eG0Td04= Received: by 10.38.104.75 with SMTP id b75mr868495rnc; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.49 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:45:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c20411180345353c55eb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:45:16 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <915c97f376f5144a6241019f1eda6c01@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <32a656c204111722042b60b689@mail.gmail.com> <915c97f376f5144a6241019f1eda6c01@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:39:40 0000, C H Forsyth wrote: > > not really. i think it's more along the lines of: > if someone is looking for something to do that would be particularly > helpful, at the moment, of all the things that we might suggest, the > bootstrap would not be placed high on the list, even though no one > regards having to fuss with plan9.ini as a good thing. Thanks, Charles. Point taken. I apologize for my earlier statement and would like to retract it. Sometimes I take things more seriously than I should. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 21:08:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 21:08:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 335B6C67E1 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:08:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E517C6795 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22559-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 163.com (unknown [202.108.44.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A7F87C6794 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu.>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [218.18.154.238] (unknown [218.18.154.238]) by 192.168.1.130 (Coremail) with SMTP id FADDiGmQnEGk6UEF.1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu.>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:07:41 +0800 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [218.18.154.238] Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:12:33 +0800 From: meilin X-Mailer: SecureBat! Lite (v2.12.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1747604552.20041118201233@163.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS, J_CHICKENPOX_53, RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: *** Subject: [9fans] problem with bootcd X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: meilin , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I use the boot cd download from bell labs and install plan9 on my vmware 4. every time when "mountfs" i get this err: "disk/kfs" does not exist mount:can't open /srv/kfs._dev_sdC0fs:'/srv/kfs._dev_sdC0_fs' file does not exist so I have to download a nother plan9.flp to boot from floppy onyone else has the problem? meilin mailto:meilinxiaoxue@163.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 18 23:46:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 18 23:46:03 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62FD6C67B5 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:46:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8163BC6706 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00117-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A97A63D8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:45:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: meilinxiaoxue@163.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] problem with bootcd Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:45:23 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <1747604552.20041118201233@163.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I use the boot cd download from bell labs and install plan9 on my > vmware 4. > > every time when "mountfs" i get this err: > "disk/kfs" does not exist > mount:can't open /srv/kfs._dev_sdC0fs:'/srv/kfs._dev_sdC0_fs' file does not exist > > > so I have to download a nother plan9.flp to boot from floppy > you are better off just installing from a CD under vmware. there are instructions for v4 in the Plan 9 wiki. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 00:10:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 00:10:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7414963B8A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:09:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B00E6BAAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07053-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E5AFEBAB0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAIF9Qk5013543 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:09:26 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAIF9CSn003873 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:09:13 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAIF9CXT024546 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:09:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:09:12 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: <5c1efca4c9647f93447d7cf0ac303d15@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: References: <5c1efca4c9647f93447d7cf0ac303d15@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > Does Xen enable to use a machine as both for Linux box and Plan 9 > CPU server? yes, that's what I'm doing now. > I mean I'm running a machine usually for Linux box, then, Xen can enable > the machine also for Plan 9 CPU server without rebooting (I don't say terminal, > because it looks not so worthy at least to me... my plan is to have it as easy for me to fire up plan 9 on a linux box as it is to run 'cat'. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 00:59:26 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 00:59:26 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4409AC670C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:59:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 892E563E96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09548-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF5DF63E8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAIFwboR021393 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:58:38 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAIF8Akw021236; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:08:10 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAIF8AXT024490; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:08:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:08:10 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <32a656c204111716543de2b0cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <32a656c204111716543de2b0cd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Vester Thacker wrote: > Are you looking for volunteers for creating a new > bootstrap? why bother, I wonder. We've found plan 9 itself is a very nice bootstrap, and I've used it that way in clusters. convert plan 9 to an elf image, point grub or whatever at it, voila, done. I think you're better off making it easy to use Plan 9 as a bootstrap than to write a new 9load ... ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 01:24:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 01:24:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6854C6734 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:23:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16121B8EF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17293-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D0EBB8F6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAIGNSq0025577 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:23:28 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAIGNElA017258; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:23:14 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAIGNDXT028485; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:23:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:23:13 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pc boot and ether drivers In-Reply-To: <32a656c204111720266056314c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1285048a44ca7a9d3c339d95924f2745@collyer.net> <32a656c204111720266056314c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Vester Thacker wrote: > I don't advocate plan9.ini being depreciated, only > that it should not be required initially. I'd like to deprecate it ... if only to get rid of the need for 9fat. Also, the various loaders can handle the file systems that the OSes use. Grub parses ext2, for example, which seems gross (ok, it's gross) but is also VERY handy. 9load can't handle plan 9 file systems at all. It would be nicer (for me anyway) if the plan 9 loader could parse plan 9 file systems, and I don't see an easy way to do that with anything but a plan 9 kernel and the file systems it supports set up as the loader image. Again, I do this now here at LANL, and it is pretty nice. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 02:29:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 02:29:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFF9563E35 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:29:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D87363D0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02806-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E64463D09 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:28:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen From: C H Forsyth Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:34:46 0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>my plan is to have it as easy for me to fire up plan 9 on a linux box as >>it is to run 'cat'. given my experience of the time it takes to get an xterm going under kde on a reasonably-powered Thinkpad, you should have plenty of slack. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 09:24:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 09:24:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9DCCDC6824 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:24:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46B95C67CF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28313-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (cassie.foobarbaz.net [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1F38C67C9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0D4EC66B51; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:23:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:23:46 -0800 From: Christopher Nielsen To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20041119002346.GI44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Jumbo Packets X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have a pair of GA620s that i was trying to enable for jumbo frames using ipconfig. The man page for ipconfig says to use as an arguement gbe instead of ether. After trying it without success and persuing the source, ipconfig doesn't seem to have that option, and the GA620 driver doesn't seem to support jumbo frames. Do any of the drivers for the supported cards support jumbo packets? If so, how do you enable their use? -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 09:45:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 09:45:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70114C6819 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:45:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D671C67C5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06020-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6EC00C67BA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:45:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9bbe892b59921b210822da1089f4813b@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:45:11 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: cnielsen@pobox.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Jumbo Packets In-Reply-To: <20041119002346.GI44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu No, none of the drivers bother with jumbo frames. --jim On Thu Nov 18 19:24:11 EST 2004, cnielsen@pobox.com wrote: > I have a pair of GA620s that i was trying to enable for > jumbo frames using ipconfig. The man page for ipconfig > says to use as an arguement gbe instead of ether. After > trying it without success and persuing the source, > ipconfig doesn't seem to have that option, and the > GA620 driver doesn't seem to support jumbo frames. > > Do any of the drivers for the supported cards support > jumbo packets? If so, how do you enable their use? > > -- > Christopher Nielsen > "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 09:55:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 09:55:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6AF26C6852 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:55:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C69AC6800 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01895-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (cassie.foobarbaz.net [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 792D7C67FF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E31CC66B51; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:55:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:55:06 -0800 From: Christopher Nielsen To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Jumbo Packets Message-ID: <20041119005506.GK44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> References: <20041119002346.GI44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> <9bbe892b59921b210822da1089f4813b@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9bbe892b59921b210822da1089f4813b@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Okay. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Thanks. On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 07:45:11PM -0500, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > No, none of the drivers bother with jumbo frames. > > --jim > > On Thu Nov 18 19:24:11 EST 2004, cnielsen@pobox.com wrote: > > I have a pair of GA620s that i was trying to enable for > > jumbo frames using ipconfig. The man page for ipconfig > > says to use as an arguement gbe instead of ether. After > > trying it without success and persuing the source, > > ipconfig doesn't seem to have that option, and the > > GA620 driver doesn't seem to support jumbo frames. > > > > Do any of the drivers for the supported cards support > > jumbo packets? If so, how do you enable their use? > > > > -- > > Christopher Nielsen > > "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin > -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 11:03:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 11:03:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B9A78C6841 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:03:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DF47C676B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12430-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EA84063E7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72573 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 02:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 02:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 02:02:38 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id iAJ22bq449539; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:02:37 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <8c8ee5c75cbec170289ff487fe1e8096@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] problem with bootcd From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:02:33 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu Nov 18 21:08:10 JST 2004, meilin wrote: > I use the boot cd download from bell labs and install plan9 on my > vmware 4. > > every time when "mountfs" i get this err: > "disk/kfs" does not exist > mount:can't open /srv/kfs._dev_sdC0fs:'/srv/kfs._dev_sdC0_fs' file does not exist If you choose kfs on [configfs], how does the installation go if you chose fossil instead? -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 12:49:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 12:49:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9656C681C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:49:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C663F63FB2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28512-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BC0E63FAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:48:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:50:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > my plan is to have it as easy for me to fire up plan 9 on a linux box as > it is to run 'cat'. If RPC call such as ftp protocol from outside to the machine, which OS replies it? Is there any mechanism to make the priority for them? If so, it it easy? I'm now considering a situation httpd daemon is running on Linux box, and would like to use it for http call, although httpd of Plan 9 is also running. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 13:56:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 13:56:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E25EC67F0 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:56:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39BE3C679C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03009-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 163.com (unknown [202.108.44.204]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2A83F63E7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [218.18.154.238] (unknown [218.18.154.238]) by 192.168.1.204 (Coremail) with SMTP id I0DZSO18nUE4BbYA.1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:56:28 +0800 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [218.18.154.238] Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:01:33 +0800 From: meilin X-Mailer: SecureBat! Lite (v2.12.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <422199140.20041119130133@163.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re[2]: [9fans] problem with bootcd In-Reply-To: <8c8ee5c75cbec170289ff487fe1e8096@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> References: <8c8ee5c75cbec170289ff487fe1e8096@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS, J_CHICKENPOX_53, RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: meilin , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu YAMANASHI I havn't test this yet:0 YT> On Thu Nov 18 21:08:10 JST 2004, meilin wrote: >> I use the boot cd download from bell labs and install plan9 on my >> vmware 4. >> >> every time when "mountfs" i get this err: >> "disk/kfs" does not exist >> mount:can't open /srv/kfs._dev_sdC0fs:'/srv/kfs._dev_sdC0_fs' file does not exist YT> If you choose kfs on [configfs], how does the installation YT> go if you chose fossil instead? meilin mailto:meilinxiaoxue@163.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 19 14:27:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 19 14:27:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7EE15639B4 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:26:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D0F163FCE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17531-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.hq.iba.co.za (beam.iba.co.za [196.30.44.140]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B664763FAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:25:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen From: Lucio De Re Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail X-Disclaimer: Everything expressed is an opinion Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:29:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lucio De Re , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > If RPC call such as ftp protocol from outside to the machine, which OS > replies it? Is there any mechanism to make the priority for them? > If so, it it easy? I'm now considering a situation httpd daemon is running > on Linux box, and would like to use it for http call, although httpd of > Plan 9 is also running. I presume the two operating systems use different IP addresses, the way VMware does it. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 00:21:51 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 00:21:51 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE25CC682C for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:21:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7485763E88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10378-02-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from prunelle.tombob.com (82-41-227-30.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.227.30]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD6A963E87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:20:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7a1e45b3731ba65d720e75192cec523b@tombob.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:20:56 0000 From: Robert Raschke MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] how to deal with mail delivery problems X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, increasingly over the last couple of weeks, I am becoming a victim of "we don't accept mail from that IP address, go away" mail servers. This is due to vast swathes of IP addresses given out by ISPs being blacklisted. Now, the usual approach to fix this is to use the ISPs smtp server. Unfortunately, these beasts (at least for my ISP, but I hear for others as well) appear to be under constant attack and go up and down like yo-yos. This leaves you with quite an unreliable service. Just as an example, if I send email directly from my Plan 9 box at home to my work address, it takes under a second, but going via my ISPs smtp server takes anywhere from 30 seconds to 3 days. So, I can also pay for some other forwarding service, which hopefully results in more stable conditions. My question is this: Is it possible to come up with a mail configuration that will first attempt to deliver directly, and only if that fails will it attempt to use an external smtp server (and inform me of that somehow)? I am vaguely guessing that there is a problem here, in that I can't be sure that any acceptance of a message by an external entity will actually result in a reliable delivery of the message to the end recipient. If that is the case, would I be best of by shopping for a reliable smtp service and use that exclusively (even if it is on the other side of the planet)? Apologies for only being tangentially on topic for Plan 9. Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 00:48:03 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 00:48:03 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9A0D163FCE for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:47:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0647F63DD6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20096-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 892F863D61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so46266rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:47:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JbQQt3bggKirOsAq2K/OccMLLPOW4jgsa0sYBfwSQobMgZHEkm4DegBCb/jJmOkLUxlARvuUHluDK0NV0UkWAftTtmwqfJWMw+mVcOVPce8Z4w0B2zlXpxhg24+K0jRTBzPeq5aorGvp7VcZxqkCeOUnFgU5l+kGKW9iz39d3/Q= Received: by 10.38.15.17 with SMTP id 17mr219309rno; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:47:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:47:16 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to deal with mail delivery problems In-Reply-To: <7a1e45b3731ba65d720e75192cec523b@tombob.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7a1e45b3731ba65d720e75192cec523b@tombob.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu If you change the last part of the line in your /mail/lib/rewrite to | "/mail/lib/qmail '\s' 'net!\1'" "'\1!\2'" and then change the last line of /mail/lib/remotemail to say: if(upas/smtp -h $fd $addr $sender $*) exit 0 exec upas/smtp -h $fd net!your.gate.way $sender $* then I think you'll get the behavior you describe. Whether it's useful is of course another matter altogether. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 02:03:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 02:03:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B14063F4D for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E66D563A72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05217-01-100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AAD531939 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJH3GC7004283 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:03:16 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJH32Tp022350 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:03:02 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJH32tQ002558 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:03:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:03:02 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > > my plan is to have it as easy for me to fire up plan 9 on a linux box as > > it is to run 'cat'. > > If RPC call such as ftp protocol from outside to the machine, which OS > replies it? The Xen domains are bridged to the ethernet via the linux br device. So the routing of packets to domains is by MAC address. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 02:04:38 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 02:04:38 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89C2863EBB for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:04:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6349363E35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15004-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F48063F15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJH46Ki004443 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:04:06 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJH3qsC022527; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:03:52 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJH3ptQ002595; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:03:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:03:51 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Lucio De Re , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> Message-ID: References: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Lucio De Re wrote: > I presume the two operating systems use different IP addresses, the > way VMware does it. and even different macs ... ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 02:24:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 02:24:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B3ABC68A8 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:23:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17CABB025 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15004-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.abyx.com (s85f45n6e.servers.accentric.net [209.132.69.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BF4063D0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (h000423501cf1.ne.client2.attbi.com [65.96.212.55]) (authenticated) by www.abyx.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iAJHhNs15923 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:43:23 -0500 Message-ID: <419E2BEC.4040801@village.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:22:52 -0500 From: Wes Kussmaul User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen References: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu 
I presume the two operating systems use different IP addresses, the
way VMware does it.
    

and even different macs ...
How can it do that? I thought the mac address came from the NIC hardware.
From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 02:27:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 02:27:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0085C63AB1 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:27:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 142F631939 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24309-01-74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3DD531925 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so58470rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:26:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hI0CX5JEqIpWQt2FFhkfFCwn4gyLiTKXZxVvJ7uMfRckZmkDAsozsJhiK/h5kKrrpVI+ruH+12AG3PHq31H0BnKBwWLvtXlK1ZvpXDFhegFcYpdgecEPKu227/3xD75A0dQRtpLKzFrbrks90Bx7gFXP9hUh+y+ncL5Q0l6/Ffs= Received: by 10.38.163.61 with SMTP id l61mr264024rne; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:26:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:26:55 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: <419E2BEC.4040801@village.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> <419E2BEC.4040801@village.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > How can it do that? I thought the mac address came from the NIC hardware. it can lie. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 02:37:09 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 02:37:09 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFFDE639FD for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:37:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F518639DE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15004-01-93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.243]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E54A0639CB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so44103cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:36:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hbTSJeAizYI+0imuIXn5Ytw3QSUTFnsGCnAGFei8nkBe1PQ/Fc4Ndt2t8lPxs9OPHWuDMS51tM8V7zLIAA1Jd4PdZ/fns/xpsIgzNMVwlhu3iLgfYZrjp4zxiffCuYQGbyPvIDVJgIg1d1NCh2h04QdlVne9k7X2F76qRPIdUYU= Received: by 10.11.98.29 with SMTP id v29mr53988cwb; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:36:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604111909366ef3caef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:36:17 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> <419E2BEC.4040801@village.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I just realized that Ron's plan 9 port was for the older version of Xen... I've got Xen 2.0.1 running and I'd be glad to help test it out if Ron needs any help. I compiled the whole thing myself on Debian... not terribly difficult as the makefile downloads and patches/configures/builds the "Xenified Host Linux" that I can launch other Linux's from now. I also built the NetBSD2.0-xen guest but have no filesystem for it to mount :). Let me know if I can be of assistance. Dave On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:26:55 -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > How can it do that? I thought the mac address came from the NIC hardware. > > it can lie. > > russ > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 03:05:00 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 03:05:00 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A59FC6893 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:04:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 59292C6874 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12285-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ABDAEC67DF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJI4UK8014560 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:04:30 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJI4Ga6003582; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:04:16 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJI4GtQ006209; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:04:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:04:16 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: <3e1162e604111909366ef3caef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> <419E2BEC.4040801@village.com> <3e1162e604111909366ef3caef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Russ Cox X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, David Leimbach wrote: > I just realized that Ron's plan 9 port was for the older version of > Xen... I've got Xen 2.0.1 running and I'd be glad to help test it out > if Ron needs any help. yeah, I will be doing release paperwork monday. Here's what is happening when drawterm fails: rc is started up rc runs ps ps gets all the data out of /proc/*/status ps does a Pwrite of about 3K bytes. now it gets weird, but at least part of what is going on is that cpu does a read from it's opened fd for /mnt/term/dev/cpunote, and gets -1 back. That's a hangup from the server (srvold9p I guess, right?) and so it sends a hangup to the group, everyone exits. Now what is going on between that Pwrite from ps and the hangup is still not real clear to me, but at least i've narrowed it down to that. Note that cpu -h localhost works fine with no problems. There is some difference (srvold9p) that is causing trouble here. Also, my Plan 9 port is to the unstable port of Xen, but it is pretty recent, and the Xen guys tell me that the interface to guest OSes has not changed terribly, so this may not be too bad. But having more eyes on my code will sure be useful. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 03:05:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 03:05:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1056C68B3 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:05:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E31CC6874 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18863-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D74BFC68A0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJI5ItQ014645 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:05:18 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJI547N019110 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:05:04 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJI54tQ006247 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:05:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:05:04 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: <419E2BEC.4040801@village.com> Message-ID: References: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> <419E2BEC.4040801@village.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Wes Kussmaul wrote: >> and even different macs ... > > How can it do that? I thought the mac address came from the NIC hardware. > remember that in the VM world ethernet interfaces are virtual, so you can give it any mac you want. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 03:22:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 03:22:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AFAEC50B for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:22:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1668B503 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04571-01-92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52004B18B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so46303cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:21:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=UIEDimzNHHSLpxip3lvjdLt5yFR/QGbCKPcGHpAJOwYfuiAlXXgfAOThHIf1RFAKMRDHkijYOd90QqSO9V4myu7BGBv7VjuAzqN+ntE3pXddLSjPtAnsxx1iOabdfJePBECGxf+/V8az8BIF2nCF4ZMDWjTE8m/dhL6ZE71Vuag= Received: by 10.11.120.15 with SMTP id s15mr58039cwc; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:21:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604111910211ea74c7e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:21:56 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: "Ronald G. Minnich" Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> <419E2BEC.4040801@village.com> <3e1162e604111909366ef3caef@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:04:16 -0700 (MST), Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, David Leimbach wrote: > > > I just realized that Ron's plan 9 port was for the older version of > > Xen... I've got Xen 2.0.1 running and I'd be glad to help test it out > > if Ron needs any help. > > yeah, I will be doing release paperwork monday. Will it be out before Thanksgiving? :) I've got a nice long weekend for this sort of stuff. I understand you probably have to clear it all. - Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 20 03:32:09 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 20 03:32:09 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BD8E31916 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:32:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0807318FE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19541-02-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31EFC318DE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJIVffI017649 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:31:41 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJIVRvB024177; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:31:27 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAJIVRtQ007355; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:31:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:31:27 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: David Leimbach Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen In-Reply-To: <3e1162e604111910211ea74c7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <8782c3f596080974fb4c55dd83721413@proxima.alt.za> <419E2BEC.4040801@village.com> <3e1162e604111909366ef3caef@mail.gmail.com> <3e1162e604111910211ea74c7e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, David Leimbach wrote: > I understand you probably have to clear it all. I am hoping that's fast. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 21 00:23:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 21 00:23:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38DB9C6974 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:23:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D42AC686E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23807-02-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F8E7C6845 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:22:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2d79eb0bf0b59e7429723fc65bd18f0b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:22:09 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] vncs and warped pointers X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu If you've tried vnc-ing to a Plan 9 machine from UNIX you'll know that it doesn't really work 100% because the mouse pointer isn't warping properly, which brings down the mood of acme editing sessions. there are provisions made (EncMouseWarp) for supporting this but i'm not sure where exactly are they supposed to work. not in tightvnc. If you prefer vnc to drawterm however and if you'd like to have mouse warping in acme, here are instructions on how to modify both vncs and TightVNC to get proper warping behaviour using the protocol extensions used by TightVNC (Plan 9 must conform to lUNIX, as usual): On the Plan 9 side: plan9% diff vncs.c /sys/src/cmd/vnc/vncs.c 684d683 < v->canwarp = 1; 1019c1018 < vncwrlong(v, 0xFFFFFF18); /* extension to the protocol used by tightvnc, at least */ --- > vncwrlong(v, EncMouseWarp); plan9% On the TightVNC side, download tightvnc from www.tightvnc.com, uncompress do the 'xmkmf; make World' dance and edit vncviewer/cursor.c's HandleCursorPos() thusly: mirtchov@localrob$ diff cursor.c cursor.c.old 322c322,324 < XWarpPointer(dpy, None, desktopWin, 0, 0, 0, 0, x, y); --- > if (appData.useX11Cursor) { > if (appData.fullScreen) > XWarpPointer(dpy, None, desktopWin, 0, 0, 0, 0, x, y); 324c326,335 < return True; --- > return True; > } > > if (x >= si.framebufferWidth) > x = si.framebufferWidth - 1; > if (y >= si.framebufferHeight) > y = si.framebufferHeight - 1; > > SoftCursorMove(x, y); > return True; Essentially hardcoding TightVNC to warp always. Hope you find it useful. There are a few things that are still annoying -- if acme wants to warp the cursor while you're moving it the warp will be lost. That's just how vncviewer was written. andrey, who woke up way too early this morning... ps: crashes under plan9port's rio when attempting to hide the window... works with twm though! :) pps: this mail written using vncs/vncviewer + warping From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 21 01:09:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 21 01:09:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A000C28D for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:09:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E0C7C695A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17995-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.246]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5D8DC6956 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so69749cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:08:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jBNBmqqJbjWzOfKxkJ2VuOlZ1bC47RjLxPtNuj+saeGIHVphwXZ1X1n9foLA2YEAgg0M4o/k0thWwFm+F7UwXEcNChdjvFPiYONKtDxN+bjnjFXOr/28Rim/et2JdAL6T2wodAlITMObhQUZ1LrVwx7JKSnrhUpw6Mcor3jEYR4= Received: by 10.11.100.71 with SMTP id x71mr17122cwb; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:08:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e60411200808169b6343@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:08:54 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs and warped pointers In-Reply-To: <2d79eb0bf0b59e7429723fc65bd18f0b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <2d79eb0bf0b59e7429723fc65bd18f0b@plan9.ucalgary.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Great Stuff man! I've often been frustrated by some of drawterm's behavior when going from Mac OS X. I've got a bit of stuff on my spare time plate right now but I might take a crack at fixing some of those problems in the future. The single biggest one is the font disappearing trick. This is an annoyance because I can make it happen every time I use it by first opening up a rc window and trying to run "replica/pull". Then if I open up an acme window the fonts come back. This works every time I've done it so far. The other one that is a bit strange to me is the colors not matching up with a local session. Lots of yellow. Not a terribly bad "error" per se but still I wonder if/why color information is communicated or if it's just being misinterpretted. Anyway... great stuff. I'll definitely try it :) Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 21 01:17:42 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 21 01:17:42 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2DEAC6983 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:17:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AC1DC696B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20210-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE4B5C694F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:17:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9db9f0f0b8b406624cb2566b76698029@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs and warped pointers Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:17:04 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60411200808169b6343@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The single biggest one is the font disappearing trick. This is an > annoyance because I can make it happen every time I use it by first > opening up a rc window and trying to run "replica/pull". Then if I > open up an acme window the fonts come back. This works every time > I've done it so far. > have you seen this? http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&selm=200403111151.i2BBpGlg021310%40adat.davidashen.net andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 06:45:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 06:45:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F441C7C32 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:45:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E978C7638 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13863-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.251]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A02A9C6AA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so93648cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:44:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HaRYjp0MMNqVRcHzkeExD8UAo0VGtmPMGhaBoPM3qAxE56PByj2FKSFxrgmmINW4jaAPe1ZLpo99flvaDgtGr9YZjzZOaqOLf+m//RdM+zyWfnLDywpuq58TQIXJaySCxIu7rO8/Xo4+hvR4ZmqSIAO2fMJ7Z2r9qUv7uP6K2Rk= Received: by 10.11.122.58 with SMTP id u58mr56481cwc; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:44:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112113445b455b13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:44:14 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs and warped pointers In-Reply-To: <3e1162e604112109513ab69202@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e60411200808169b6343@mail.gmail.com> <9db9f0f0b8b406624cb2566b76698029@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <3e1162e604112109513ab69202@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:51:14 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:17:04 -0700, andrey mirtchovski > > > wrote: > > > > > The single biggest one is the font disappearing trick. This is an > > > annoyance because I can make it happen every time I use it by first > > > opening up a rc window and trying to run "replica/pull". Then if I > > > open up an acme window the fonts come back. This works every time > > > I've done it so far. > > > > > > > have you seen this? > > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&selm=200403111151.i2BBpGlg021310%40adat.davidashen.net > > > > > > andrey > > Not until now... :) Thanks for the link I'll check it out. > Works great too so far... thanks :) Dave > Dave > > > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 07:24:13 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 07:24:13 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3309B31923 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:24:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA01F318A9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10466-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.249]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1DAE134245 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so89450cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:51:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=H0iF6UMkxQmRrc12Vo2d8JC6AH6OYdGW1qdkIZjCuz/5t5wH12t/wN/SiDrAdM2tPQrpDWnDB014n72njbztfPmt+J6vMajv7NLPyOpftjVgfb0bWOz+xdqWr2fg2nedzT3h79PvUfsIpfrMAqEQZpZNTJaSbeScmOufnIvo7QE= Received: by 10.11.98.70 with SMTP id v70mr49964cwb; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:51:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112109513ab69202@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:51:14 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs and warped pointers In-Reply-To: <9db9f0f0b8b406624cb2566b76698029@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e60411200808169b6343@mail.gmail.com> <9db9f0f0b8b406624cb2566b76698029@plan9.ucalgary.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:17:04 -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > > The single biggest one is the font disappearing trick. This is an > > annoyance because I can make it happen every time I use it by first > > opening up a rc window and trying to run "replica/pull". Then if I > > open up an acme window the fonts come back. This works every time > > I've done it so far. > > > > have you seen this? > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&selm=200403111151.i2BBpGlg021310%40adat.davidashen.net > > > andrey Not until now... :) Thanks for the link I'll check it out. Dave > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 07:41:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 07:41:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDF6C63A63 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:41:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 978AB63A13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21433-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15A3718EA0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 01:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041121061418.HPTV26440.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:14:18 -0700 Message-ID: <41A03239.1070905@telus.net> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:14:17 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <9db9f0f0b8b406624cb2566b76698029@plan9.ucalgary.ca> In-Reply-To: <9db9f0f0b8b406624cb2566b76698029@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Booting a new kernel X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to build a CPU/auth server, and I'm failing to get it to boot. I've placed the kernel in the fat partition, same place as my terminal kernel (which works fine, and is one I built myself a while ago), and added an entry in my plan9.ini allowing me to choose it: [4e] bootfile=sdD0!9fat!9pcfnew bootfile=sdD0!9fat!9pccpuf When I choose 9pcfnew it works fine, but when I try 9pccpuf I get the error: error walking to 9pccpuf Boot devices: .... Any clues? Thanks, Paul From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 08:15:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 08:15:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33F82AFA6 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:15:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46D56630F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22314-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from picoworks.com (unknown [63.105.17.87]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF60E630D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:15:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: plalonde@telus.net, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Booting a new kernel Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:15:11 -0800 From: pat@picoworks.com In-Reply-To: <41A03239.1070905@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=J_CHICKENPOX_73, J_CHICKENPOX_83, J_CHICKENPOX_93, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: *** Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The fragment you posted does not look correct you might want to post the all of plan9.ini Here's my plan9.ini on one of my servers. [menu] menuitem=terminal, Plan 9 terminal menuitem=cpu, Plan 9 cpu/auth server [terminal] bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pcf [cpu] bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pccpuaf [common] bootargs=local!#S/sdC0/fossil bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fossil *nomp=1 *nodumpstack=1 partition=new vgasize=640x480x8 monitor=xga mouseport=ps2 venti='#S/sdC0/arenas' From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 09:56:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 09:56:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7127663B01 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:56:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8131663ABA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05186-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC54963AB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:55:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc dying in my drawterm on xen From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:57:25 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The Xen domains are bridged to the ethernet via the linux br device. So > the routing of packets to domains is by MAC address. Hmm, it's cool. Kenji --once annoyed by T42's bridge device though... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 15:07:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 15:07:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B56563B59 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:07:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5739C63AA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20432-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 106F963AA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so103561cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:07:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O726ZSJHklp92zDtz7egLmCtZs4IGegZilDNLE8lBZ+Tp0rmKodgrctDYMcxRHi932N8du8U3ei4sq+pAZj73yOQO5HL2S5fuQx1aKZ+faxe/EXIpdInhrI6PRtVNULzkHUZ6AxUx1Y1l38vjrJGOU8vwzXke038N0Rqu99vMk8= Received: by 10.11.122.58 with SMTP id u58mr74792cwc; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:07:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112122071022dddf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:07:16 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've not had any luck making a connection based on the wiki information for setting up upas/fs for mail with poptls or apoptls. upas/fs -f/poptls/pop.gmail.com just hangs it seems. I've gotten it to work with other servers, I wonder what the difference is. Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 15:28:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 15:28:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68E2063B1A for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:28:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3C9363AEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06510-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77B5463AE8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041122062758.IQOO662.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@telus.net>; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:27:58 -0700 Message-ID: <41A186E4.8030307@telus.net> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:27:48 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Lalonde References: <9db9f0f0b8b406624cb2566b76698029@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <41A03239.1070905@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <41A03239.1070905@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Re: Booting a new kernel X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm an idiot. My vmware machine had a disk mounted that the 9fat: script found it, instead of my usual boot partition. It's working fine now. The next thing is to get my pxe booting going, and it's going well (9pxeload is running on the new terminal), but I'm having troubles creating /cfg/pxe/xxxxxxxxxx, as I have no rooted cfg directory, and mkdir tells me that I can't make one on '/', which is what I'd expect. Should I just build the tree somewhere arbitrary and bind it? Paul Paul Lalonde wrote: > I'm trying to build a CPU/auth server, and I'm failing to get it to > boot. I've placed the kernel in the fat partition, same place as my > terminal kernel (which works fine, and is one I built myself a while > ago), and added an entry in my plan9.ini allowing me to choose it: > > [4e] > bootfile=sdD0!9fat!9pcfnew > bootfile=sdD0!9fat!9pccpuf > > When I choose 9pcfnew it works fine, but when I try 9pccpuf I get the > error: > error walking to 9pccpuf > Boot devices: .... > > Any clues? > Thanks, > Paul > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 15:52:21 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 15:52:21 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5160E63A32 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:52:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 202A2639D4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20596-03-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB6CE6365D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:51:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <127d444ff2cf5b2c5ad49fadf11ff961@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Booting a new kernel Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:51:45 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: <41A186E4.8030307@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu You can't create in your root, but you can create in the underlying file system if you mount it with -c and are in the right group (adm on my file server) or you set "allow" mode briefly: mount -c /srv/boot /n/boot mkdir /n/boot/cfg From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 17:56:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 17:56:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C91C863B57 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:56:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BDE763B08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01328-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from gaston.tombob.com (82-41-227-30.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.227.30]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2536763B06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:55:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <29a2a049442d6be3b50aa8c395da3128@tombob.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] how to deal with mail delivery problems Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:55:43 0000 From: Robert Raschke In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, Russ wrote: > If you change the last part of the line in your /mail/lib/rewrite to > > | "/mail/lib/qmail '\s' 'net!\1'" "'\1!\2'" > > and then change the last line of /mail/lib/remotemail to say: > > if(upas/smtp -h $fd $addr $sender $*) > exit 0 > exec upas/smtp -h $fd net!your.gate.way $sender $* > > then I think you'll get the behavior you describe. > Whether it's useful is of course another matter altogether. C Forsyth also recommended setting up SPF for my domain (spf.pobox.com). I did that first, but that did not solve all my problems. Sending mail to web.de just won't work unless I go via my ISP's smtp server. With the solution by Russ above, I now have a setup where I fall back onto my ISP's smtp server if direct delivery did not work. I also add a line to a log file that I can check when I send "important" mail: today=`{date} if (upas/smtp -h $fd $addr $sender $*) { exit 0 } echo $today : upas/smtp -h $fd net!smtp.blueyonder.co.uk $sender $* >>/sys/log/remotemail exec upas/smtp -h $fd net!smtp.blueyonder.co.uk $sender $* I think it's useful for me at the moment. This way I can at least check and instantly see if a mail went via a potentially very slow route. I know that I can't really be sure either way, but it gives me a workaround for otherwise unreachable addresses. I will have to keep watching this space for a while to see if I can't find a better way. Thank you for your help, Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 18:03:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 18:03:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 204C763A22 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:03:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C7C663A22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03432-01-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from gaston.tombob.com (82-41-227-30.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.227.30]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9650863A19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:03:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:03:10 0000 From: Robert Raschke MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] some acme questions X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, I was wondering if the non-working of hold-B1-click-B2-click-B3 (copy text to snarf buffer) inside a tag was intentional? I can cut text and I can paste it, but only in two distinct actions. Since I usually do this to grab a bit of path, I get the window I take the text from into a dirty state, which is mildly annoying. The other thing I noticed after a recent pull (roughly two weeks ago), is that acme becomes completely unresponsive after roughly 30 minutes of running Wiki or Mail in it. Does anyone else get this? When it happens again I'll have an attempt at debugging. Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 18:53:23 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 18:53:23 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6B7D63D46 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:52:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71B16AF1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13640-02-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87E7B63AA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122095213.ZUKO1968.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:52:13 +0000 Received: from felix.quintile.net ([81.96.207.141]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122095212.HYCY2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@felix.quintile.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:52:12 +0000 Message-ID: <5c5bb74e0bc69e375b82a860ee91dc02@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:52:07 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] dual cpu fs/auth/cpu server contd. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Supermicro motherboard dual P3 update: I have replace the RAM and PSU (and the disks though these where just upgraded to zippier items) but still get problems. First off, when the board is booted in single cpu mode all is fine, it appears to be quite reliable. When both cpus are booted it works for a while but then I get "no procs" scrolling up the console, the timing of this relative to boot seems random, the board has run for 2 days, somtimes only a few minuites. I tied a while() loop rebuilding kernels and couldn't force it to break, and likewise when idle (apart from email arrival and cron jobs) the machine seems stable, the problems seem to occur when I am drawtermed to this machine and doing some work. When I get the "no procs" scrolling ^T^T^P shows hundreds of cron's running. I also noticed the clock in my drawterm session attached to this server shows the wrong time, very wrong, 17.30 on 22nd Nov has jumped to to 14.30 3rd Nov. If I kill cron when I boot the machine (dual cpu) then I no-longer get "no prcs" but the CPU load does go up to 100% (and it gets a bit sluggish). So far I have only done this once however. jmk said they use dual P3s a lot at the labs, I wonder if my problem has somting to do my dual P3 being a file, auth, and cpu server? does cron or timesync run on a dualcpu machine at the labs (clutching at straws). There where some problems reported a few months ago, to do with time passing too fast after a suspend and resume cycle, perhaps this is related? My next step is to try to crash the machine a few more times with cron disabled and look for a more definite pattern - I saw the fp exception in fossil again last night but that may be spurious. It all smacks of andrey's problem of a year or two ago... http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44.0307171223310.7478-100000%40fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca&output=gplain but this was a boot time problem and was fixed in timesync(1), wasn't it? Thoughts anyone? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 18:58:32 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 18:58:32 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0201663A55 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:58:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C4F131923 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11131-02-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7616931918 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:57:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50cd7f8832e2aa1db354912dfa120f62@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] some acme questions From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:57:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > of running Wiki or Mail in it. Does anyone else get this? When it Our acme runs all the time with Mail in place. No problem seen so far. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 22 22:06:09 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 22 22:06:09 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4AAEE63BE4 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:05:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8B0363B69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19526-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A026063B61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so230556rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:05:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Ds8aAdzCKDaBId5yJUU7z0/wdPZuweVoIABmGUqdUk+SFMHINZfbzB+6SqMtlBckGXn5tqYNk+1hjhsD+fSPdzLE1aDwkPCe5f/eyzHMfXig4bbNClm0eXk8e+4y7HpFNJCzY/1GyRqdUvzCAxC0XXXPhq97VTEltj4CFBcpdnM= Received: by 10.38.164.68 with SMTP id m68mr22950rne; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:05:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:05:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:05:20 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: <3e1162e604112122071022dddf@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e604112122071022dddf@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I haven't actually tried this, but looking at the documentation it appears that you should use /pop/ and not /poptls/. Russ On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:07:16 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: > I've not had any luck making a connection based on the wiki > information for setting up upas/fs for mail with poptls or apoptls. > > upas/fs -f/poptls/pop.gmail.com just hangs it seems. > > I've gotten it to work with other servers, I wonder what the difference is. > > Dave > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 03:31:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 03:31:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF9D631EBE for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:31:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E137231EBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22488-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55D5331E9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041122183002.NMBO3736.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <41A2302A.4050303@telus.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:30:02 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <127d444ff2cf5b2c5ad49fadf11ff961@collyer.net> In-Reply-To: <127d444ff2cf5b2c5ad49fadf11ff961@collyer.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Video and mouse problems X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I did my first replica/pull last night since installing Plan 9, and now a few things are broken :-( Things work fine under vmware, except for pasting in acme (which has never worked for me in vmware, but works fine in a native boot). Now, after the pull, even using my old kernel, but also with a new one, my nvidia vga card doesn't work in anything else but 640x480, leaving me with a black screen. And as worrysome the mouse pointer is stuck in the upper left corner of the screen, although I can happily select text, move windows, etc, but without a cursor. The cursor (stuck in the upper corner), does however change shapes, so I can tell when I get to window edges.... Again, this works in vmware, and worked before I did the pull. Any ideas? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 03:34:59 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 03:34:59 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5320D6397D for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC5276397D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12430-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [81.95.98.125]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA7C26395D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (klastr1.icpf.cas.cz [147.231.137.254]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35D51CF196 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:33:42 +0100 (CET) From: alexandr babic To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <50cd7f8832e2aa1db354912dfa120f62@plan9.escet.urjc.es> References: <50cd7f8832e2aa1db354912dfa120f62@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 22 Nov 2004 19:33:49 +0100 Message-Id: <1101148439.22323.5.camel@k1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] why i don't see mouse arrow? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi! i instaled plan9 many times on computers, but now for the first time i see strange mouse behaviour: i can see menus after clicking randomly, i can point to window randomly, but i can't see mouse arrow. it's serial mouse on port 0. thanx for help. sasa babic. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 03:49:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 03:49:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 868CB2D90 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:49:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEB7D63AFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21688-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39ED063AA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:48:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6a1039462c3b9fbbc4fd45d8f3330c62@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] why i don't see mouse arrow? Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:48:25 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <1101148439.22323.5.camel@k1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > hi! > > i instaled plan9 many times on computers, > but now for the first time i see strange mouse behaviour: > i can see menus after clicking randomly, i can point to window randomly, > but i can't see mouse arrow. > it's serial mouse on port 0. > thanx for help. > > sasa babic. if you move the mouse during rio's start-up it can get out of sync reading /dev/mouse and start thinking that mouse clicks are moves one pixel to the right for example. if this is the problem you're seeing just don't touch the mouse for the entire second that rio is starting and it should be fine. i've taken a peek on fixing this but not a long enough one to be able to comment on it :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 04:01:25 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 04:01:25 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F354463D51 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:01:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3698763B84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22488-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [81.95.98.125]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B044163B3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (klastr1.icpf.cas.cz [147.231.137.254]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3721CF196 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:59:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [9fans] why i don't see mouse arrow? From: alexandr babic To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <6a1039462c3b9fbbc4fd45d8f3330c62@plan9.ucalgary.ca> References: <6a1039462c3b9fbbc4fd45d8f3330c62@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 22 Nov 2004 20:00:03 +0100 Message-Id: <1101150013.22320.15.camel@k1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu thanx for fast answer, but it's sad it haven't helped. mouse arrow still can't be seen. sasa babic. On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 19:48, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > hi! > > > > i instaled plan9 many times on computers, > > but now for the first time i see strange mouse behaviour: > > i can see menus after clicking randomly, i can point to window randomly, > > but i can't see mouse arrow. > > it's serial mouse on port 0. > > thanx for help. > > > > sasa babic. > > if you move the mouse during rio's start-up it can get out of sync > reading /dev/mouse and start thinking that mouse clicks are moves one > pixel to the right for example. if this is the problem you're seeing > just don't touch the mouse for the entire second that rio is starting > and it should be fine. > > i've taken a peek on fixing this but not a long enough one to be able > to comment on it :) > > andrey > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 04:16:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 04:16:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38EE563BF0 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:16:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 05EB431E80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06705-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03DD431892 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:15:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ca456d9ee3695b8ba42b59f1f1765eb@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] why i don't see mouse arrow? Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:15:18 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <1101150013.22320.15.camel@k1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > thanx for fast answer, but it's sad it haven't helped. > mouse arrow still can't be seen. > > sasa babic. > > if the mouse works but you can't see it then it's a problem with the video card -- Plan 9 uses hardware cursor only (except in vmware) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 04:25:19 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 04:25:19 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F47C63B6E for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:25:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 11D9D63B24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01865-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [81.95.98.125]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7A0163B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (klastr1.icpf.cas.cz [147.231.137.254]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED691CF196 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:24:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [9fans] why i don't see mouse arrow? From: alexandr babic To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <2ca456d9ee3695b8ba42b59f1f1765eb@plan9.ucalgary.ca> References: <2ca456d9ee3695b8ba42b59f1f1765eb@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 22 Nov 2004 20:24:17 +0100 Message-Id: <1101151467.22320.17.camel@k1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu yup, after changing graphic card it works :-) thanx a lot! sasa. On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 20:15, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > thanx for fast answer, but it's sad it haven't helped. > > mouse arrow still can't be seen. > > > > sasa babic. > > > > > > if the mouse works but you can't see it then it's a problem with the > video card -- Plan 9 uses hardware cursor only (except in vmware) > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 04:38:36 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 04:38:36 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1B20639EE for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:38:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0827639EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01865-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.241]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A23BA639EB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so125755cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:37:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Zv/fTXRLhiFs73fYdydSRGjtkEkQBILyJ051Tob1gV4Cx1qSWg+/Ipsv3UVA6umn/Kaoh0+TA94GDbmosN2w6+wECN07ulx/JTormUzXmrncWFcpVxwbPGZZKwWUU5zNZZEqwdvyShpHjJjy8LAPg9CAO/L72KBWVyaDhZAZWcg= Received: by 10.11.100.66 with SMTP id x66mr105897cwb; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:37:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e60411221137352dce88@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:37:55 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Russ Cox Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e604112122071022dddf@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:05:20 -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > I haven't actually tried this, but looking at the > documentation it appears that you should > use /pop/ and not /poptls/. > According to this it's POP3 with ssl: http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287 is that done with /pop/? I'm confused. Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 04:42:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 04:42:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C728863B6B for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:42:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEA3263A1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20764-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83AF763A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:42:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] why i don't see mouse arrow? Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:36:38 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <1101151467.22320.17.camel@k1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > yup, after changing graphic card it works :-) > thanx a lot! > > sasa. > i probably should've said 'video card driver'. i'm sure whatever is ailing the hardware has its #ifdef'd fix in all drivers for more mainstream operating systems :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:17:29 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:17:29 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9277363BEA for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF96563A2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15306-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4DDE963B58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAMKGnkC012406; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id iAMKGmJ05096; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:16:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200411222016.iAMKGmJ05096@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 killer applications? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:53:46 +0900." <32a656c204111712534e243d69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:16:48 -0500 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Vester Thacker writes: > On a lighter note, you can say that you are on a quest. That always > gets folks attention. ;) IMHO being a Plan 9er has much in common with > Don Quiote -- following a dream regardless of the current madness. (Don's a black suit, fedora, and sunglasses....) I'm [sic] on a mission from God. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:18:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:18:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B28E663BF0 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:18:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97C0563B61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15306-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66CA063B58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAMKIEkC012623 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id iAMKIEJ05123 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:18:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200411222018.iAMKIEJ05123@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:31:26." Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:18:14 -0500 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Charles Forsyth writes: > sorry: it was the phrase used near the start of the Great War It was all over by Christmas; just Christmas four years and millions of lives later. I guess it's sort of like Iraq and the US now. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:26:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:26:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5DE9B179 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:25:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5540663BAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27199-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07AE263B88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so276067rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:25:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Sj+T+VAFO65qWwEFv9MqQc1NK4c1F45D7igxhWQpAOVzuoPXWt2KtNhQX9M/MhNyRSkli8bJLtwPkeT7e4T69HOvS8H2wPjdwSYJ5xOwoQJfmCU4a1In2UmMHAZ4Th8iY1faLAlgyyV0Kk6jN0FBEIipRQ8t0WRfk7LWV+4EVHM= Received: by 10.38.15.29 with SMTP id 29mr164599rno; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:25:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:25:11 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: David Leimbach Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60411221137352dce88@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e604112122071022dddf@mail.gmail.com> <3e1162e60411221137352dce88@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > According to this it's POP3 with ssl: > http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287 > > is that done with /pop/? I'm confused. Actually it wasn't done at all. But now it can be done with /pops/. The difference between /pops/ and /poptls/ is that /pops/ means dial port 995 and start SSL/TLS immediately, while /poptls/ means dial port 110 as usual and then issue a STLS command during handshaking to start SSL/TLS. Why have one way to do it when you could have two? I just wrote the code and pushed it to sources -- pull to get a new source and binary. I can now get at (the oldest 300 messages of) my gmail with upas/fs -f/pops/pop.gmail.com/russcox. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:28:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:28:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F19D331622 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:28:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBA47C2A0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27357-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE239C295 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041122202802.URBU3736.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@telus.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:28:02 -0700 Message-ID: <41A24BD1.2000006@telus.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:28:01 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Video and mouse problems References: <127d444ff2cf5b2c5ad49fadf11ff961@collyer.net> <41A2302A.4050303@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <41A2302A.4050303@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu More of an update: If I had to guess, I'd say the nvidia driver changed, and that the change broke support my on-board geforce mx. In particular, video modes and hardware cursor position updates. Does anyone have an older driver lying around I can try? Where can I find out when changes were made to /sys/src/9/pc/vganvidia.c and get old versions? If only I'd had my venti up and running... Thanks, Paul Paul Lalonde wrote: > I did my first replica/pull last night since installing Plan 9, and > now a few things are broken :-( > Things work fine under vmware, except for pasting in acme (which has > never worked for me in vmware, but works fine in a native boot). Now, > after the pull, even using my old kernel, but also with a new one, my > nvidia vga card doesn't work in anything else but 640x480, leaving me > with a black screen. > And as worrysome the mouse pointer is stuck in the upper left corner > of the screen, although I can happily select text, move windows, etc, > but without a cursor. The cursor (stuck in the upper corner), does > however change shapes, so I can tell when I get to window edges.... > Again, this works in vmware, and worked before I did the pull. > > Any ideas? > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:36:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:36:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBC9C31618 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:36:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CACA31618 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27357-01-99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 256D717BC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAMKZYkC015479; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id iAMKZYJ05220; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:35:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200411222035.iAMKZYJ05220@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:07:42 PST." <6e35c06204111716074e3c0ad7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:35:34 -0500 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Jack Johnson writes: > Clearly not shrubbery. Unless you mean Heather. I don't know who Heather is, but I'm sure she has a nice bush. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:40:06 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:40:06 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F96763D41 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:40:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9DB6D31622 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15306-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 054C83161B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:39:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9488dbd7972c33bccb9f76af416ba0c2@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:39:21 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] spoke too soon on Plan 9 and xen. In-Reply-To: <200411222018.iAMKIEJ05123@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon Nov 22 15:18:36 EST 2004, cross@math.psu.edu wrote: > Charles Forsyth writes: > > sorry: it was the phrase used near the start of the Great War > > It was all over by Christmas; just Christmas four years and millions of > lives later. > > I guess it's sort of like Iraq and the US now. > > - Dan C. I think the US has now been engaged in Iraq longer than in it was in the Great War. --jim From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:41:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:41:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6627E63BDB for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:41:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A1BC31621 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17992-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AC5B3161B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:41:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <56babb34c710db51b743558bf68762c7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Video and mouse problems Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:01 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <41A24BD1.2000006@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > More of an update: If I had to guess, I'd say the nvidia driver changed, > and that the change broke support my on-board geforce mx. In > particular, video modes and hardware cursor position updates. > > Does anyone have an older driver lying around I can try? Where can I > find out when changes were made to /sys/src/9/pc/vganvidia.c and get old > versions? > > If only I'd had my venti up and running... > > Thanks, > Paul you don't need your venti up and running! remember, all resources are the same, regardless of where they exist on the net. run the following on your (networked) box: % mntgen # just in case you don't have /n/sourcesdump and /n/sourcessnap % 9fs sources % history /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/pc/vganvidia.c ... ah, the beauty of plan9. looking at the other screen i want to cry now: # du -sh gt3.2.1-preogsi-source-installer.tar.gz 84M gt3.2.1-preogsi-source-installer.tar.gz From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:52:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:52:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B81B63A8F for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:52:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 172EC63A88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15407-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B26A863A4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:51:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2aafbe37f414dd5e6baa07487ccc69b6@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:51:24 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] usenet gateway X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable who manages the usenet gateway? can they please turn on posting messages in the usenet =E2=86=92 9fans direction? i'm mentioning this because we're missing on some really exciting stuff: http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=3D&hl=3Den&lr=3D&c2coff=3D1&threadm=3D= 419ddc66%240%2418686%24afc38c87%40news.easynet.co.uk&prev=3D/groups%3Fq%3= Dcomp.os.plan9%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26hl%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSear= ch to quote: "Considering how advance plan 9 is compared to linux, bell labs are shooting themselves in the foot." no, this wasn't posted in 1995 but 3 days ago! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:52:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:52:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA6DA63BD9 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:52:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C56DD63C11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17992-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DF6263B91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:51:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:51:35 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] usenet gateway X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable who manages the usenet gateway? can they please turn on posting messages in the usenet =E2=86=92 9fans direction? i'm mentioning this because we're missing on some really exciting stuff: http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=3D&hl=3Den&lr=3D&c2coff=3D1&threadm=3D= 419ddc66%240%2418686%24afc38c87%40news.easynet.co.uk&prev=3D/groups%3Fq%3= Dcomp.os.plan9%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26hl%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSear= ch to quote: "Considering how advance plan 9 is compared to linux, bell labs are shooting themselves in the foot." no, this wasn't posted in 1995 but 3 days ago! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 05:53:59 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 05:53:59 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88AC363BDE for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:53:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80A5763ABC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14316-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E861163A8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:53:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Video and mouse problems From: Charles Forsyth Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:53:07 0000 In-Reply-To: <56babb34c710db51b743558bf68762c7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >># du -sh gt3.2.1-preogsi-source-installer.tar.gz >>84M gt3.2.1-preogsi-source-installer.tar.gz ``The X server has to be the biggest program I've ever seen that doesn't do anything for you. -K Thompson'' From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 06:02:39 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 06:02:39 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B36F63B8D for ; 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Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:01:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:01:46 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: andrey mirtchovski , 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > is this normal: > > plan9% upas/fs -f/pops/pop.gmail.com/mirtchovski > upas/fs pop3: server certificate 2C471E10D5C1E3F4417680B8EF5507B20FF62F33 not recognized > upas/fs: opening mailbox: bad server certificate > plan9% > > if you have a solution to this problem i'd be happy to put it in the > wiki :) yes, you need to add a line like x509 sha1=2C471E10D5C1E3F4417680B8EF5507B20FF62F33 pop.gmail.com to /sys/lib/tls/mail. the "pop.gmail.com" is just a comment: everything after the hash is ignored. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 06:04:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Tirsvj/pzTaO8Ycq4nU0LbRxEevHYKmzqo+131PVylMGjXm8kZGwYhzQlJCkuZD0H8vzKm0OyckqKrdS1OJK6dinfW6kBnL9plcrtT+dk9mZfiXCn34/Qy7szrX6dcpvkJRxtkNblC4PYZElUgQvILKEQHRlwtbApzqiRKWet1c= Received: by 10.11.122.58 with SMTP id u58mr108706cwc; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:03:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112213037ba6075c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:03:38 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: andrey mirtchovski X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:01:46 -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > is this normal: > > > > plan9% upas/fs -f/pops/pop.gmail.com/mirtchovski > > upas/fs pop3: server certificate 2C471E10D5C1E3F4417680B8EF5507B20FF62F33 not recognized > > upas/fs: opening mailbox: bad server certificate > > plan9% > > > > if you have a solution to this problem i'd be happy to put it in the > > wiki :) > > yes, you need to add a line like > > x509 sha1=2C471E10D5C1E3F4417680B8EF5507B20FF62F33 pop.gmail.com > > to /sys/lib/tls/mail. the "pop.gmail.com" is just a comment: > everything after the hash is ignored. > > russ > I think it's already been in the wiki. :) Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 06:31:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:31:06 -0700 Message-ID: <41A25A99.5070400@telus.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:31:05 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Video and mouse problems References: <56babb34c710db51b743558bf68762c7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> In-Reply-To: <56babb34c710db51b743558bf68762c7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Of course. D'Oh. It's going to take a while for me to really *believe* that random P9 systems will act the same way remotely :-) Now if only that had identified some sort of driver change that broke me... Is there anything else that would hijack my cursor and leave it in the upper left? I was really hoping to kill my video issue with the same stone :-( Thanks, Paul andrey mirtchovski wrote: >>More of an update: If I had to guess, I'd say the nvidia driver changed, >>and that the change broke support my on-board geforce mx. In >>particular, video modes and hardware cursor position updates. >> >>Does anyone have an older driver lying around I can try? Where can I >>find out when changes were made to /sys/src/9/pc/vganvidia.c and get old >>versions? >> >>If only I'd had my venti up and running... >> >>Thanks, >> Paul >> >> > >you don't need your venti up and running! > >remember, all resources are the same, regardless of where they exist >on the net. run the following on your (networked) box: > >% mntgen # just in case you don't have /n/sourcesdump and /n/sourcessnap >% 9fs sources >% history /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/pc/vganvidia.c >... > >ah, the beauty of plan9. looking at the other screen i want to cry now: > ># du -sh gt3.2.1-preogsi-source-installer.tar.gz >84M gt3.2.1-preogsi-source-installer.tar.gz > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 06:34:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 06:34:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8F1363C70 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:34:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F18963A32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05781-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CB0C63554 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so283129rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=s/UAkbfsjoygG9dXnpp0dKHY3aWF914HuDBDzGlBGFD0DDwB0TrHzavqs0Wi/AfBPsNOaWfVt3YV7S5Vje8LxhVe7R0jnW6ZN4MuTlB+typvWq5/eOr2ZkYNEw3yD3Tzg33sYKNNyYRzAQ+SeO5OyysTLHTHITtH05z9cXXkOVI= Received: by 10.38.164.68 with SMTP id m68mr243532rne; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:34:14 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Video and mouse problems In-Reply-To: <41A25A99.5070400@telus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <56babb34c710db51b743558bf68762c7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <41A25A99.5070400@telus.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I assume you tried rebooting when the cursor didn't work? Andrey was right about moving the mouse screwing it up, but waiting doesn't always clear the problem. If you have a window open then doing "echo reset >/dev/mousectl" sometimes does. So would rebooting. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 06:40:51 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 06:40:51 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4D3163C71 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:40:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB9C963C20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05781-01-98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E06863C02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from telus.net ([66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041122213958.LJLA15023.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@telus.net>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:39:58 -0700 Message-ID: <41A25C98.3070007@telus.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:39:36 -0800 From: Paul Lalonde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Video and mouse problems References: <56babb34c710db51b743558bf68762c7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <41A25A99.5070400@telus.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu None of those did a thing. A related clue is that I have a narrow (<5 pixels) black strip on the left of my screen, with a white square at the top the height of my cursor that moves a little as the cursor changes shape. It feels like a mis-aligned memory map or somesuch. I'll keep digging. Paul Russ Cox wrote: >I assume you tried rebooting when the cursor >didn't work? Andrey was right about moving >the mouse screwing it up, but waiting doesn't >always clear the problem. If you have a >window open then doing "echo reset >/dev/mousectl" >sometimes does. So would rebooting. > >Russ > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 09:18:23 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 09:18:23 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7313F63D2F for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:18:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BEDD963BDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27587-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensemada.lava.net (ensemada.lava.net [64.65.64.27]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 90C4B63BD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by ensemada.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94FF300E0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:17:36 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:17:36 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] usenet gateway In-Reply-To: <2aafbe37f414dd5e6baa07487ccc69b6@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: References: <2aafbe37f414dd5e6baa07487ccc69b6@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > who manages the usenet gateway? can they please turn on posting > messages in the usenet =E2=86=92 9fans direction? > > i'm mentioning this because we're missing on some really exciting > stuff: Uh.. I wouldn't say we're *MISSING* it. Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 10:13:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 10:13:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D021C63D41 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:13:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD6BC63965 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14300-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D6BC63652 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:13:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <25680faf269133e79a5c62b1c57eb4c9@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] usenet gateway Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:12:57 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Uh.. I wouldn't say we're *MISSING* it. this is just one example. all other posts to comp.os.plan9 were valid questions. perhaps one could post periodically a notice to usenet readers that their questions should be directed to 9fans? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 10:25:23 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 10:25:23 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1FD763D49 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:25:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8224639E5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14300-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.249]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69AC26364C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so137460cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:24:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ENAtT+Qnjd7iJVySOjt8I5k8zba8EaiDVYmQzqrq59R8T61meLHp338P1Go27oftzdKG4yxtM82QCf0EutoM0s/ADJQ/8ScNW58GEBLDwuKRsZAeB59sfOHEKgfAvaoTymym23TVmZdzBDm7o9ljYDhalID+BMQLGlJtcGMTrXk= Received: by 10.11.100.66 with SMTP id x66mr115273cwb; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:24:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:24:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112217241b775a90@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:24:42 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Russ Cox Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e604112122071022dddf@mail.gmail.com> <3e1162e60411221137352dce88@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I can now get at (the oldest 300 messages of) my > gmail with upas/fs -f/pops/pop.gmail.com/russcox. > > Russ > Hmmm... not sure what I'm doing wrong. I just did upas/fs -f/pops/pop.gmail.com/leimy2k and I see there is a mount of '#|/data1' in /mail/fs in my namespace. But when I run nedmail or Acme mail it says 0 messages. Yet when I look in my gmail I've got 1 in my inbox. Also "ls -l /mail/fs" shows: --rw-rw-rw- M 69 dave dave 0 Nov 22 11:56 /mail/fs/ctl d-r-xr-xr-x M 57 dave dave 0 Nov 17 19:30 /mail/fs/mbox and inside /mail/fs/mbox is another ctl file. ---w--w--w- M 64 dave dave 0 Nov 22 17:23 ctl Not sure if this is all normal. I fixed my time/date and timezone and rebooted and I still see no mail when I clearly have some in the web client. I'm probably just misusing upas/fs but I'm not sure how. Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 10:37:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 10:37:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BACF063D5A for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:37:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2829363A9A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26491-01-93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF37863A99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:36:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:36:25 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <3e1162e604112217241b775a90@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Yet when I look in my gmail I've got 1 in my inbox. > i have the same problem -- whenever i open a new upas/fs from gmail the old messages disappear! this happens even is i open the same file descriptor served by the same upas/fs as /srv/upasfs$user. the new mount shows no messages, the old one shows the messages as 'deleted'. upas/fs needs a 'leave messages on server' option. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 11:06:07 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 11:06:07 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2CAE3168F for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:06:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7611E31691 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28327-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.246]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 382583168F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so139099cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ZEqbTOCAidjiCj2Um9xLV8Mzrbx9zRgEw8O031VTfPGZZb3xHcXJtAOZiNxZAsO0gQ0HMVtRWhDdUGlnuBYHg8cQPYp/p9BElFNgOSvY3aDw99SaLZSC5Xr553OsYdumamADLkrDBJynUN0ZpNg+Zla9uEkfDpeXB0ycGXq92c8= Received: by 10.11.122.58 with SMTP id u58mr117526cwc; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e6041122180557e4417d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:29 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e604112217241b775a90@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:36:25 -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > > Yet when I look in my gmail I've got 1 in my inbox. > > > > i have the same problem -- whenever i open a new upas/fs from gmail > the old messages disappear! this happens even is i open the same file > descriptor served by the same upas/fs as /srv/upasfs$user. > > the new mount shows no messages, the old one shows the messages as > 'deleted'. upas/fs needs a 'leave messages on server' option. > > andrey > Actually I don't ever see any messages at all :). I went back and double checked my gmail settings and made sure I enabled POP support. There's two settings one for only new mail from now on and another for all mail. Strange. Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 11:47:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 11:47:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 767A763D44 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:47:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4152763B3C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27257-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2AD3C63AE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so308491rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:46:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=YqHt6ncRy6S8YLgpRwWkd0+J8sS/6rKrteE6267GIt7//4v7Opmwgssrz/7iwNdUAM5EgUuydcvLyNnO1ieC6Diph0lmqQzkntThOT2S6fMiOlyaM07EV93mru9BMRwtjmQVbydvHHReoKcSVsx9Wr6Di07/2B0thsmZCU1pUSk= Received: by 10.38.163.5 with SMTP id l5mr321625rne; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:46:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:46:30 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e604112217241b775a90@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > the new mount shows no messages, the old one shows the messages as > 'deleted'. upas/fs needs a 'leave messages on server' option. 'leave messages on server' is the only way it behaves. it only deletes messages if you delete them during nedmail or Mail or whatever you read mail with. perhaps you've told gmail to delete messages once pop downloads them. (it's a gmail settings option in the pop section.) the next time upas/fs logs in and looks at your mail, they're not there, so it assumes they've been deleted and forgets about them. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 11:51:37 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 11:51:37 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25AC963B53 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:51:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B64D263A36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28676-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94E8E63A32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:51:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <087245798b0a65f3efbdbd937001bc4d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:51:00 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <3e1162e6041122180557e4417d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Actually I don't ever see any messages at all :). I went back and > double checked my gmail settings and made sure I enabled POP support. > There's two settings one for only new mail from now on and another for > all mail. > > Strange. > > Dave even if you send a message to yourself it still doesn't appear? try with faces running too -- i just saw my mug appear in faces after a test message was sent, only to disappear immediately when i did a 'mount /srv/upasfs.andrey'.. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 12:06:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 12:06:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 64E6663C18 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:06:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0BDF63AC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27257-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7980663A22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so140514cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:06:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ulBZI14Atlf6a3Bx8nVyZf6K1PapDtf0J1rzie4yY6v1YkvBVQOfq2ZJpF08GhkbW7UcDqmxOGLXOmXmFuIKNj/BrsoP9qHLyqV+phNps/KTrejqULQ58sLOiEMKiTdmcX0R8dZUL/hiYLoKlkumo6cBXS58+ohUEPCNcD+sZrA= Received: by 10.11.98.29 with SMTP id v29mr118379cwb; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:06:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112219064f372d40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:06:21 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: <087245798b0a65f3efbdbd937001bc4d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e6041122180557e4417d@mail.gmail.com> <087245798b0a65f3efbdbd937001bc4d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:51:00 -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > > Actually I don't ever see any messages at all :). I went back and > > double checked my gmail settings and made sure I enabled POP support. > > There's two settings one for only new mail from now on and another for > > all mail. > > > > Strange. > > > > Dave > > even if you send a message to yourself it still doesn't appear? try > with faces running too -- i just saw my mug appear in faces after a > test message was sent, only to disappear immediately when i did a > 'mount /srv/upasfs.andrey'.. > Actually when I just do the following: upas/fs -f/imaps/mail.opendarwin.org/leimy I can then go and see my inbox mail in /mail/fs/mbox and cd into the mail and look at headers and all that good stuff. With: "upas/fs -f/pops/pop.gmail.com/leimy2k" I get nothing at all like that in /mail/fs/mbox. Just a lonely ctl file. Dave > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 12:09:23 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 12:09:23 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A8BD63C09 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:09:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0357D63B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27257-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.241]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75DA863AF0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so141072cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:08:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ZURM1U2HIJwWMfiENFyTbGae+wrI/Fy2I612ZOpnyEr4GvpPzpkXx6DvdmzNFpdkeEl7LbGy14A177Z0GJsRO5ioxX5TFBtPRSmhgcPO1/XoHuU15bazf18yXMw7ftuiNCJUBpnRwfx7xz1tvywNoLHla1+F7DMGKHyFnQ/6440= Received: by 10.11.100.66 with SMTP id x66mr117981cwb; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:08:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112219082290e7ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:08:43 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: <3e1162e604112219064f372d40@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e6041122180557e4417d@mail.gmail.com> <087245798b0a65f3efbdbd937001bc4d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <3e1162e604112219064f372d40@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:06:21 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:51:00 -0700, andrey mirtchovski > > > wrote: > > > > > Actually I don't ever see any messages at all :). I went back and > > > double checked my gmail settings and made sure I enabled POP support. > > > There's two settings one for only new mail from now on and another for > > > all mail. > > > > > > Strange. > > > > > > Dave > > > > even if you send a message to yourself it still doesn't appear? try > > with faces running too -- i just saw my mug appear in faces after a > > test message was sent, only to disappear immediately when i did a > > 'mount /srv/upasfs.andrey'.. > > > > Actually when I just do the following: > > upas/fs -f/imaps/mail.opendarwin.org/leimy > > I can then go and see my inbox mail in /mail/fs/mbox and cd into the > mail and look at headers and all that good stuff. > > With: > > "upas/fs -f/pops/pop.gmail.com/leimy2k" > > I get nothing at all like that in /mail/fs/mbox. > > Just a lonely ctl file. > > Dave > Even more mysterious is this dir that just showed up: /mail/fs/leimy1101173179 that has a date of Dec 31 1969. When I try to cd to it I am told it doesn't exist. Dave > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 12:11:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 12:11:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEA3163D3D for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:11:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1858B63B34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27257-01-67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88C3163B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so141141cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:10:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=QEN+QZBAs42LEcyAz3SpCDotg8AMPOFh/ey6AZZpN3UHOH39tHE5Ejz3fZWuLw9z6cGRynGOdYN4kBriPzBYbxRDF1v/EqFAi/nnZJfOLSzK4CpnmOAntV5fVwm9E/CRnk2eUjb/CkX4lrrDbTu9XsRds2SF9jY5G0QFXrS2Nek= Received: by 10.11.122.54 with SMTP id u54mr117412cwc; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:10:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112219104ae132fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:10:53 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: <3e1162e604112219082290e7ed@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e6041122180557e4417d@mail.gmail.com> <087245798b0a65f3efbdbd937001bc4d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <3e1162e604112219064f372d40@mail.gmail.com> <3e1162e604112219082290e7ed@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:08:43 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:06:21 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: > > > > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:51:00 -0700, andrey mirtchovski > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Actually I don't ever see any messages at all :). I went back and > > > > double checked my gmail settings and made sure I enabled POP support. > > > > There's two settings one for only new mail from now on and another for > > > > all mail. > > > > > > > > Strange. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > even if you send a message to yourself it still doesn't appear? try > > > with faces running too -- i just saw my mug appear in faces after a > > > test message was sent, only to disappear immediately when i did a > > > 'mount /srv/upasfs.andrey'.. > > > > > > > Actually when I just do the following: > > > > upas/fs -f/imaps/mail.opendarwin.org/leimy > > > > I can then go and see my inbox mail in /mail/fs/mbox and cd into the > > mail and look at headers and all that good stuff. > > > > With: > > > > "upas/fs -f/pops/pop.gmail.com/leimy2k" > > > > I get nothing at all like that in /mail/fs/mbox. > > > > Just a lonely ctl file. > > > > Dave > > > Even more mysterious is this dir that just showed up: > > /mail/fs/leimy1101173179 that has a date of Dec 31 1969. > > When I try to cd to it I am told it doesn't exist. > > Dave Ok now I see two emails in 'faces' with google's gmail logo on em. Not sure what to do with it :) Dave > > > > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 12:14:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 12:14:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5925F63D18 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:14:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0025663C18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27257-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FEB763C1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:14:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: russcox@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:14:18 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > perhaps you've told gmail to delete > messages once pop downloads them. > (it's a gmail settings option in the pop section.) > the next time upas/fs logs in and looks > at your mail, they're not there, so it assumes > they've been deleted and forgets about them. > > russ i had them on archive first, then changed to 'leave in inbox'. gmail indicates that they're sending a 'copy to pop3', so don't think that's to blame. here's what i do: - kill all 'fs' in the current session, even better -- start a new one with drawterm and without starting upas/fs. - upas/fs -s -f/..../ - mount /srv/upasfs.andrey and start acme Mail on that dir - send a message to myself on my gmail account - when the message appears in acme either do a new mount of /srv/upasfs... or wait about a minute and the message will be marked as 'deleted' in the old Mail. it never appears in the new one. exiting the original acme mail and restarting it doesn't show the message either, even though Mail wouldn't really delete the message unless its window has been 'Put'. i can verify that this problem doesn't exist with imaps and imap on other accounts i have. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 12:20:25 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 12:20:25 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D6B063C53 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:20:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB01E63C18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12214-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BC9D63C47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so310728rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:19:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=urhhXJQB09U8yc48b/XdT7f8R6vN9TEdTC1bygp19WGAl9fkX6zTYwGOZKHhjKkDtE/imrHqeI+wGqAoribc5RSnUm1OGvsTSsVWYB/H1kHlFof1gKcQILczplfkiYtiQPbNDXyPxYlwJRBTMT5TWnqEXEE7dWe5dvknhzX4Y40= Received: by 10.38.70.68 with SMTP id s68mr325527rna; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.47 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:19:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:19:47 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I think gmail is doing funny things. Specifically, they make some noises in the pop documentation (such as it is) that the first time you check your mail you get the first batch (say 300) of messages, then the next time you get the next 300 or so, and so on. If that's really going on, that they remember which messages they've handed to pop and don't hand in a message more than once, then upas/fs will not deal well with that. Upas/fs really expects that it's manipulating a permanent mailbox. It's not a typical usage of pop (the typical usage is download, perhaps delete from server, and keep locally even if the message disappears from the server) but it usually works. Gmail might be breaking the rules. You could use a trivial little pop3 client to download everything once and put it in an mbox, but that's silly and you might as well just turn on forwarding instead. What I really want is to have gmail pop present exactly my inbox -- nothing less nothing more -- and when I "delete" something I really want it just moved out of my inbox and archived. That doesn't seem to be an option. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 12:24:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 12:24:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 832F263A4D for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:23:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34036B5E1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14401-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.249]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B70E6B5C3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so141470cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:23:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IikNeYOFGIafj//TK89F6AheOh9j+qg+uWh61XF47HiZ4InxERjPxrtGkWknvg2+yhihHD1l9+eL8aOMsFD0RllIrSNkRc3+466pEchraNlZj0/QFnysTOKV7QHxvOHQdLQ4ivol7C9hiSKvleBTaIULqX2w9182jxrQd2DJjS8= Received: by 10.11.98.70 with SMTP id v70mr118111cwb; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:23:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e60411221923213554b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:23:24 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: russcox@gmail.com X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:14:18 -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > > perhaps you've told gmail to delete > > messages once pop downloads them. > > (it's a gmail settings option in the pop section.) > > the next time upas/fs logs in and looks > > at your mail, they're not there, so it assumes > > they've been deleted and forgets about them. > > > > russ > > i had them on archive first, then changed to 'leave in inbox'. gmail > indicates that they're sending a 'copy to pop3', so don't think that's > to blame. > > here's what i do: > > - kill all 'fs' in the current session, even better -- start a > new one with drawterm and without starting upas/fs. > > - upas/fs -s -f/..../ > > - mount /srv/upasfs.andrey and start acme Mail on that dir > > - send a message to myself on my gmail account > > - when the message appears in acme either do a new mount of > /srv/upasfs... or wait about a minute and the message will be > marked as 'deleted' in the old Mail. it never appears in the > new one. > > exiting the original acme mail and restarting it doesn't show the > message either, even though Mail wouldn't really delete the message > unless its window has been 'Put'. > > i can verify that this problem doesn't exist with imaps and imap on > other accounts i have. > > andrey > > Andrey, I am sitting here watching faces and I got your race... I just got one of russco on my machine too... and now it vanished... It must take things that are in a regular inbox and move them to some other directory? quite weird :). Perhaps Rob Pike can save us :) Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 12:34:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 12:34:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69BD9BFA2 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:34:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF93DBB9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14401-01-90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 740E2BBA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:33:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: russcox@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:33:43 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I think gmail is doing funny things. > i understand much better now, thanks! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 13:03:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 13:03:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C5CAA31712 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:03:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 82B7E31712 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20146-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (cassie.foobarbaz.net [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50261316F4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 569EC66B51; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:02:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:02:23 -0800 From: Christopher Nielsen To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20041123040223.GV44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] devfs X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >From reading the code, it looks like mirrors in devfs are read preferring the first drive in the mirror, and only reading from the second drive if there's a failure. Is this correct, and if so, is anyone working on round-robin reading to improve read performance? -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 13:31:01 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 13:31:01 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D21A031E64 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:30:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E4FE31E46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27449-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0ED8D31E41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:30:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] devfs Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:30:01 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <20041123040223.GV44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>From reading the code, it looks like mirrors in devfs > are read preferring the first drive in the mirror, and > only reading from the second drive if there's a > failure. Is this correct, and if so, is anyone working > on round-robin reading to improve read performance? > i believe that is true. would reading every other block from the second one improve performance? seems to me it would have the opposite effect, causing many more seeks than normal (i.e. there's no hd cache optimization for 'read every odd/even block from the platter'). i see one clear benefit though, and that is if you have two or more bulk readers and serve each one from a separate disk. i'd like to hear other's opinions on this one :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 18:54:38 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 18:54:38 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0823263DFA for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:54:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C081563D1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15355-02-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 450E563C47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1CWXIE-0006Ig-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:49:02 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:46:18 GMT From: Russ Cox Message-ID: Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: RANT - impossibility of downloading Plan9 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > First time I tried with konqueror's http/ftp client, and bell-labs bomb= ed > out on me. >=20 > Second time I tried using gtm, and I got 39 MB of the file before it bo= mbed > out. >=20 > What the h*** is wrong with the system? Why don't you use an HTTP client that restarts lost connections? > Well, the first thing I can think of, is the stupid license terms, whic= h > effectively prevent Plan9 from being mirrored anywhere else, eg, which > prevent Plan9 from making use of the excellent international set of mir= rors > in the Sourceforge system. There's nothing preventing Plan 9 from being mirrored anywhere else except that no one has bothered. Where in the license does it say that mirrors can't exist? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 19:10:20 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 19:10:20 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85EAB63D9F for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:10:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B56F63B34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15355-02-96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D736363A22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so332166rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:09:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LjGIylmX093EsXff8lJBuHD4yjHFdGB1AKAfMK5AScvuWDfYRVY7ZfrW3CX5wa15xOMjm2V2LC1VXLAr4nYiSKYU8jfM1+7YgWXhXCtlpxzeyG+X8BtT6porGRGYp8h/MBYAsrAfcO7bps+2uMVX6W8/Gyl+dCMxgkmPHFiRGQg= Received: by 10.38.150.46 with SMTP id x46mr62578rnd; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.27 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:09:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c20411230209799567da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:09:39 +0000 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: RANT - impossibility of downloading Plan9 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:46:18 GMT, Russ Cox wrote: > > There's nothing preventing Plan 9 from being mirrored anywhere else > except that no one has bothered. Where in the license does it say > that mirrors can't exist? Done. http://www.tip9ug.jp/repository/plan9.iso.bz2 http://www.tip9ug.jp/repository/9disk.flp Enjoy. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 22:54:32 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 22:54:32 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E86D63E4A for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:54:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCE3E63DA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11601-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C0F063DA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so301356wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:53:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bNMt7IrNOTdkaFqs7Io04OmD+9qAL8rmh6M5EE/WBUlOzmjpskVGA2n1JsLtI6MLzllPjFuW3cpk701x3nZPKFDKqnzrF+jxQoC3fzo22S7xzGyX3pFfExEWDYEyuogIK5re0na0SPzISn131Gvk8npQjeX8wExLiI84BIjNc50= Received: by 10.54.13.20 with SMTP id 20mr228750wrm; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.22.57 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:53:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:53:36 -0600 From: Eric Van Hensbergen To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] devfs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041123040223.GV44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Van Hensbergen , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:30:01 -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > >>From reading the code, it looks like mirrors in devfs > > are read preferring the first drive in the mirror, and > > only reading from the second drive if there's a > > failure. Is this correct, and if so, is anyone working > > on round-robin reading to improve read performance? > > > > i believe that is true. > > would reading every other block from the second one improve > performance? > What does RAID-1 do? Maybe every other block isn't the right granularity, but it seems like farming out requests between the multiple drives would be the right approach. -eric From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 23 23:02:28 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 23 23:02:28 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B988B63D4D for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:02:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B07E963D90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02674-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93F5063D7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:01:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35e14588dc09d81d03d2acb6e9cd66b2@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] devfs From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:01:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-axhhjzoobgwbikwqlisdjaesjd" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-axhhjzoobgwbikwqlisdjaesjd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In our case, we setup mirrors for different partitions in the opposite order. For example, fossil is sdC0 then sdD0, but venti is sdD0 then sdC0. This seems to be enough to keep both disks being used at the same time. Anyway, nobody here has ever tried to optimize disk usage here. --upas-axhhjzoobgwbikwqlisdjaesjd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Tue Nov 23 14:54:01 MET 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBEE163E0D for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:53:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCE3E63DA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11601-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C0F063DA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so301356wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:53:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bNMt7IrNOTdkaFqs7Io04OmD+9qAL8rmh6M5EE/WBUlOzmjpskVGA2n1JsLtI6MLzllPjFuW3cpk701x3nZPKFDKqnzrF+jxQoC3fzo22S7xzGyX3pFfExEWDYEyuogIK5re0na0SPzISn131Gvk8npQjeX8wExLiI84BIjNc50= Received: by 10.54.13.20 with SMTP id 20mr228750wrm; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.22.57 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:53:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:53:36 -0600 From: Eric Van Hensbergen To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] devfs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041123040223.GV44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Van Hensbergen , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:30:01 -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > >>From reading the code, it looks like mirrors in devfs > > are read preferring the first drive in the mirror, and > > only reading from the second drive if there's a > > failure. Is this correct, and if so, is anyone working > > on round-robin reading to improve read performance? > > > > i believe that is true. > > would reading every other block from the second one improve > performance? > What does RAID-1 do? Maybe every other block isn't the right granularity, but it seems like farming out requests between the multiple drives would be the right approach. - eric --upas-axhhjzoobgwbikwqlisdjaesjd-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 03:32:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 03:32:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C89863EFF for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:32:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 173E163E2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22057-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from yerah.fac.cs.cmu.edu (YERAH.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.191.162]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C0DFA63B6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from PIPER.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU ([128.2.194.80]) by yerah.fac.cs.cmu.edu id aa25794; 23 Nov 2004 13:31 EST From: Dave Eckhardt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20041123040223.GV44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9356.1101234687.1@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <9357.1101234687@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: devfs X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From reading the code, it looks like mirrors in devfs > are read preferring the first drive in the mirror, and > only reading from the second drive if there's a > failure. Is this correct, and if so, is anyone working > on round-robin reading to improve read performance? Beware the text beginning with "Since writes go to all devices in the mirror but reads are performed just by the first device ..." in the "Setting Up Fossil" Wiki document, . Dave Eckhardt From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 04:28:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 04:28:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCEED63E13 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:28:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01AC463D5D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19056-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56C3763D58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iANJRdQ6021995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:27:39 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iANJRODw014408 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:27:24 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iANJRNtQ026337 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:27:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:27:23 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] xen progress ... X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ok, I resolved my odd problem with srvold9p. It makes no sense however. You can see the problem below. srvold9p:->Rwrite tag 10 count 29 srvold9p:<-Twrite tag 10 fid 298 offset 52 count 5 'cpu% ' srvold9p:=>old Twrite tag 10 fid 298 offset 52 count 5 'cpu% ' srvold9p:->Rwrite tag 10 count 5 srvold9p:<-Tread tag 10 fid 296 offset 5 count 512 srvold9p:=>old Tread tag 10 fid 296 offset 5 count 512 srvold9p:->Rread tag 10 count 3 'ps ' srvold9p:<-Twrite tag 8 fid 298 offset 57 count 3667 'bootes 1 0:01 0:04 88K Await init bootes' srvold9p:=>old Twrite tag 8 fid 298 offset 57 count 3667 'bootes 1 0:01 0:04 88K Await init bootes' srvold9p: (pid 101, errstr read or write too large) wrote -1 to old system; should be 3683 So srvold9p goes to write to the old9p fd and gets an error that makes no sense on a tcp socket. I'm still trying to find the source of the error in the kernel (I modified fatal() in srvold9p to use %r, hence the errstr ... part of that message). If I change srvold9p to respond to Tversion with an Rversion that says it only supports up to 1024 byte messages, then everything is fine. The reason is that no 9p2000 messages come in to srvold9p larger than 1024 bytes, so srvold9p can only send 1024 byte messages on the 9p1 channel, and the failure won't occur. Has anyone modified tcp in the kernel to try to preserve message boundaries? This problem is really weird. You shouldn't get an error like this on a tcp socket, I would think. Is there a 9p2000 drawterm? I can now run clock in the drawterm window. Anything that uses a font gets this error: getsubfont: can't read /lib/font/bit/whatever/whatever: bad count in \ bufimage any place I should start looking? thanks ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 04:49:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 04:49:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BB0563EAC for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1D4F63E4E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03192-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6087163E4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:49:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <05cb06972cd286f2edca129a173bb1a9@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:49:12 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there a 9p2000 drawterm? > here's something old you can use: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/dt2k.tgz it compiles somewhat cleanly and works on linux (i'm typing this message using it) it has a few bugs with alpha blending and is somewhat slower than the old drawterm. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 04:54:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 04:54:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0ADFB63EDD for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC1EE63E60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03192-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D38B63E5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:53:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3c0ad5214184f2367cc3a37cad8b9a02@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:53:53 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <05cb06972cd286f2edca129a173bb1a9@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> Is there a 9p2000 drawterm? >> > > here's something old you can use: > > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/dt2k.tgz > > it compiles somewhat cleanly and works on linux (i'm typing this > message using it) it has a few bugs with alpha blending and is > somewhat slower than the old drawterm. I have a port of it to win32, and I think the changes were sent back. Are they there? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 05:05:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 05:05:12 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A20D31E63 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:05:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7D1131781 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03192-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C1B631772 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:04:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:04:38 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <3c0ad5214184f2367cc3a37cad8b9a02@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I have a port of it to win32, and I think the changes were sent back. > Are they there? no, i think that was the version i sent to you last (with minor changes to compile under linux cleanly). haven't seen any other patches. i don't even know who's the maintainer -- this one just sat in my home directory waiting for someone to need it :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 06:35:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 06:35:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45E8B63F6D for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:35:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5979E63B50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07968-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB39763AD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:34:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:34:16 0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu russcox@gmail.com says: > Upas/fs really expects that it's manipulating > a permanent mailbox. It's not a typical usage > of pop (the typical usage is download, perhaps delete > from server, and keep locally even if the message > disappears from the server) but it usually works. > Gmail might be breaking the rules. The upas/fs pop3 code uses message numbers, not UIDs, to identify messages on the server, and expects that messages will be in the same order each time the client reconnects. I found this expectation wasn't true with the demon.co.uk server, and indeed it doesn't seem to be stipulated anywhere in the RFCs. I made a modification to upas/fs/pop3.c to use UIDs, which seemed to work reliably with demon - can't remember whether I submitted it to sources, but I switched to a different provider soon afterwards so I stopped using it. The same modification might help with gmail - if I had a gmail account I could try it and see ;) -- Richard From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 06:46:05 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 06:46:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF87963E66 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:46:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9FE1363E00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14004-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B13463E21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:45:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5b19baa041b7e2b5658de11a95034cc3@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:45:06 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The same modification might help with gmail - if I > had a gmail account I could try it and see ;) i sent you an invite to "9fans at hamnavoe...", mail me privately if that's not the right address. i have a few more invites, if anyone wants one email me. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 06:55:12 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; 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Wed Nov 24 08:17:05 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6448963EF1 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:17:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA06463C94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14171-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.241]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A88CA63C93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so31389cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:16:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=NUsGWC6CjW6XTFaAnLazQjyEqgANLuW0vWvcZF30d24OWpqavDHhVO5kkK4kCxp25u0DwJHbTBeUjDoMkWcWAHkkhlBlZ4QOkjf7LUKeSb8NnSZFFAtdQ8dhWEtilzaM4eAdK1xfq4QwW+V8BsknrvmDrm26DMTXrtn+CphuDTg= Received: by 10.11.122.62 with SMTP id u62mr7404cwc; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.11 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:16:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e6041123151634f2bc33@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:16:23 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3c0ad5214184f2367cc3a37cad8b9a02@9netics.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:04:38 -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > > I have a port of it to win32, and I think the changes were sent back. > > Are they there? > > no, i think that was the version i sent to you last (with minor > changes to compile under linux cleanly). haven't seen any other > patches. i don't even know who's the maintainer -- this one just sat > in my home directory waiting for someone to need it :) > > Just tried to compile this on my Mac and gcc got an ICE :). Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 08:34:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 08:34:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8744463DAC for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:33:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5862463B3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17997-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.241]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB800639B0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so31906cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:33:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fMN9KuEbDes3RdZT1Tyl6Rnq0/ag1Z9p+yWSC4wcbXc003f91B8yh5WOGxzkz3gs8fJ06Z0SZ5I5NrtQh+AFwC8WUTGYatxSvEcDssjGnLXZm2TEoII05Olhx4NElpaHAh486RS0P/CJLPJ87+aALXy+t3rnHzgQETg5Eqyqqmo= Received: by 10.11.100.66 with SMTP id x66mr7710cwb; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.11 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:33:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e6041123153320298ea6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:33:21 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... In-Reply-To: <3e1162e6041123151634f2bc33@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3c0ad5214184f2367cc3a37cad8b9a02@9netics.com> <3e1162e6041123151634f2bc33@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:16:23 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:04:38 -0700, andrey mirtchovski > > > wrote: > > > > > I have a port of it to win32, and I think the changes were sent back. > > > Are they there? > > > > no, i think that was the version i sent to you last (with minor > > changes to compile under linux cleanly). haven't seen any other > > patches. i don't even know who's the maintainer -- this one just sat > > in my home directory waiting for someone to need it :) > > > > > Just tried to compile this on my Mac and gcc got an ICE :). > > Dave > OOps... I fixed that... It was just getting the wrong subdir... Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 11:22:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 11:22:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8439863F2A for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:22:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D026663D97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02213-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 853CE63D94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so45374rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:21:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BXzQAx2TEJb6+71Oh34ffmwOEjqgB/dJo2s+QqNL3TsmegOaPohX+yZyNbGBEvV5EhMPm3yKRKCAuMaIX7yb4T7P1XN7Cl0yDchaazPLNTbSzf4zOujqCwZEaIt/Vqsf2jAM1Mb/wOHxxTybj1z5GbQzj/E7hBGPSSTcpO4z8yI= Received: by 10.38.150.72 with SMTP id x72mr138169rnd; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.44 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:21:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:21:56 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The upas/fs pop3 code uses message numbers, not UIDs, > to identify messages on the server, and expects that > messages will be in the same order each time the client > reconnects. I found this expectation wasn't true with > the demon.co.uk server, and indeed it doesn't seem to > be stipulated anywhere in the RFCs. Well, yes and no. It does use the UIDs but also depends on ordering. It expects new messages to appear at the end of the list, which isn't stipulated in the RFCs but has been true of every POP3 server I've ever seen (except the original Plan 9 one, but I fixed that). At the time I wrote the code, it seemed that there were enough other mail readers expecting the oldest->newest sort order that it seemed a safe assumption. To be fair, nowhere in the spec does it say that the server has to support UIDs either, so there's not really a safe way to do the upas/fs "stay in sync with the server" trick. I don't think this is Gmail's problem. If that were happening, the messages would just look reordered. I'm pretty sure gmail remembers which messages the POP client has downloaded and never shows them to the client again. This is kind of necessary to work around the fact that POP doesn't scale so well. Each time you connect you get the next 300 messages you haven't downloaded yet. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 11:27:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 11:27:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68F5063D94 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:27:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC4DC63C47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03019-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A4C563C3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so45685rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:26:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=p5y5r2MkPj3tb5iCzmT6KsxMZx+sgaA1ba6xj5JHPEl+zx3hovEsKf5wwqzHkhPSETavrsvg+ZclGZvbVIB4PIwyisNxKolLzaKZaEkJx2svNdGIcMt9szfoyCN5a3NvYqDAjrisiGB+kM6krheXuINZw39PLPM3ygwxyk3DGhU= Received: by 10.38.150.9 with SMTP id x9mr145781rnd; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.44 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:26:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:26:57 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > You can see the problem below. Where are the old R messages below? > srvold9p:->Rwrite tag 10 count 29 > srvold9p:<-Twrite tag 10 fid 298 offset 52 count 5 'cpu% ' > srvold9p:=>old Twrite tag 10 fid 298 offset 52 count 5 'cpu% ' > srvold9p:->Rwrite tag 10 count 5 > srvold9p:<-Tread tag 10 fid 296 offset 5 count 512 > srvold9p:=>old Tread tag 10 fid 296 offset 5 count 512 > srvold9p:->Rread tag 10 count 3 'ps > ' > srvold9p:<-Twrite tag 8 fid 298 offset 57 count 3667 'bootes 1 0:01 0:04 88K Await init > bootes' > srvold9p:=>old Twrite tag 8 fid 298 offset 57 count 3667 'bootes 1 0:01 0:04 88K Await init > bootes' > srvold9p: (pid 101, errstr read or write too large) wrote -1 to old system; should be 3683 > > So srvold9p goes to write to the old9p fd and gets an error that makes no > sense on a tcp socket. I'm still trying to find the source of the error in > the kernel (I modified fatal() in srvold9p to use %r, hence the errstr ... > part of that message). I think that what is happening is your old 9P server (drawterm?) is responding with an old Rwrite with a -1 length, but that's not acceptable (it should respond with an Rerror instead), and the srvold9p code treats the number as unsigned and complains that it is too big (as too big as it could possibly be!). This is probably just a drawterm bug. Try using cpu -O instead. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 11:49:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 11:49:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC5FC63ED2 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:49:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EEFAC63E68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20746-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 900E163A4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-102-228.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.102.228]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 78460671FE; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:49:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004801c4d1cf$9bedb9a0$e4667d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Russ Cox" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I don't think this is Gmail's problem. neither do i, on many fronts. the worst being that upas thinks that things are static and can haul 'em in ram. if this is of any any interest, myself and brucee wrote this pop3 thing in limbo. is may be simple, but it scales: http://www.insultant.net/repo/pop.bundle From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 12:51:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 12:51:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0344463EB5 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:51:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F01D863DB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07838-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1DB063DA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-102-228.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.102.228]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4442337A48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:50:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006401c4d1d8$348fb1b0$e4667d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:46:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The upas/fs pop3 code uses message numbers, not UIDs, > to identify messages on the server, and expects that > messages will be in the same order each time the client > reconnects. this is not a problem as long as client side has it together. my approach has been to pull each message across. smashing it into a upas f/s is your choice. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 13:06:37 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 13:06:37 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE375C6705 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:06:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43640679 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07838-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 060AE866 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfbaymail2sca.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.42]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAO45bpv001805 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from submarine.sfbay.sun.com (submarine.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.78.138]) by sfbaymail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id iAO45acA000958 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rs76089@localhost) by submarine.sfbay.sun.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id iAO45am17555 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:05:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:05:36 -0800 From: Roman Shaposhnick To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20041124040536.GA17538@submarine> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan9 and resource discovery X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Just the other day I've been having this hallway conversation where I tried to make Plan9 sound as a solution to all the problems (excluding world's hunger, perhaps) and the question that made me write this email and humbly ask for your ideas was this: "Well, it seems that Plan9 is really good about making *use* of resources, but how does it help you *discover* them?". Well, I, for one, didn't know how. Of course we have stuff like ndb(6) (and DNS) but that's not a "resource discovery" worth writing home about. srv(4) comes closer to facilitating it, but, alas only within a particular server. I guess my question is -- is there any research going on on how Plan9's philosophy could lend itself to this problem? Any ideas ? Implementations ? Anything ? :-) It's not that I'm looking for something particular (rather than having an exciting thread here :-)) so I'd appreciate all the feedback. Thanks, Roman. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 13:24:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 13:24:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A59AB8CD for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:22:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A84260E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07838-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB6CB6051 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:22:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <083ab2fec3a16915da8da52b07c2b81c@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 and resource discovery Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:22:09 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <20041124040536.GA17538@submarine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I guess my question is -- is there any research going on > on how Plan9's philosophy could lend itself to this problem? > Any ideas ? Implementations ? Anything ? :-) i have a prototype for a resource discovery fs. each server that wants to participate runs a small fs which gathers ldap-like info about the local system. each server posts the root of that file system to a main aggregate which is listed in ndb for the local ipnet (domain). a user mounts either a the node itself or all of them via the aggregate. aggregates themselves can be aggregated for cross-domain resource discovery. run 'ls' and you find out which nodes are alive, 'cat */load | sort' and you get the one that's least busy... it's not anything big, but then again Plan 9 doesn't easily lend itself to big and complex solutions for trivial problems. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 13:45:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 13:45:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1896363A6A for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:45:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB15363554 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 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h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=t9dqtKFcUF4Utp6oU/yq6QTWSmWbyimLhG6OruRL6UAtfVQ627p4VZKM6vkYC7KTq6Psf4TViE1nTGM8bV3mTxpP/OVWIDA7+KOG+zBJ8qFBQG027pWbIXHnRUdi00s9cjfop6DRngnyz2wywSVBKQ2htVE/qLfN9vqpV/frrkw= Received: by 10.38.150.72 with SMTP id x72mr178519rnd; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.44 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:55:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:55:11 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] archmp In-Reply-To: <7DD37218104E31429E79EB0BB136800E11C4E5@vargas.ntdom.cupdx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7DD37218104E31429E79EB0BB136800E11C4E5@vargas.ntdom.cupdx> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: inferno-list@vitanuova.com X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there any documentation on how the mp system works? > (I know I could always just read the sources, but I'd appreciate someone > pointing me in the right direction...) How do we get all the CPU's initialized, > and can we start/stop them individually after boot? The source is the only documentation I know. The CPUs are not started/stopped individually after boot. You've already found the right files to read. Start with mpinit() in pc/mp.c, called as arch->intrinit() in pc/main.c. > Also, are there MP sources for other cpu types? Plan 9 has run on other multiprocessors. The most recent is the SGI Challenge, but agreements with SGI preclude Bell Labs from releasing those sources under the current license. The PC kernel is the only multiprocessor architecture supported in the released sources. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 14:18:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 14:18:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8031663BE0 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:18:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E50BB63BE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19357-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBF8263BAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:18:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:18:17 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] archmp In-Reply-To: <7DD37218104E31429E79EB0BB136800E11C4E5@vargas.ntdom.cupdx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue Nov 23 23:45:12 EST 2004, BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu wrote: > ... was looking through the files archmp.c, apic.c, and mp.c.(386 only) > Interestingly, they appear in Inferno too. Native Inferno can run with SMP? > > Is there any documentation on how the mp system works? > (I know I could always just read the sources, but I'd appreciate someone > pointing me in the right direction...) How do we get all the CPU's > initialized, and can we start/stop them individually after boot? Also, > are there MP sources for other cpu types? > > Thanks all! > > -Ben > Plan 9 was designed to run on multiprocessors from the start, MP is not a bolt-on bag on the side, so 'how the mp system works' is really just how Plan 9 works. The code in the PC-specific files you mention is mostly to to parse the configuration information supplied by the BIOS as to how many processors there are and how interrupts are routed. The remainder of the code starts up the processors and deals with the interupt hardware (a different interrupt controller, the APIC, is used on x86 MP systems). The fact that the system is inherently designed to run on multiprocessors means that the architecture-specific code is pretty well isolated to dealing with startup and interrupts. The first 'real' Plan 9 fileserver and cpuserver ran on SGI Power series machines, 2 and 4 processors respectively. Later, the SGI Challenge was used as a cpuserver. The x86 code is the only MP code available under the current licence that I am aware of; it's pretty old now too. --jim From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 14:47:47 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 14:47:47 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC9BFB8CD for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:46:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9090B6017 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28822-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 426AB5F3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:45:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43882cfafafd181cb0a8b30bee62951e@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] archmp Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:45:41 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Of course, the other place a specific architecture has to deal with MP issues is the MMU. It's possible to make that really complicated, but Plan 9 skirts most of that at the expense of some performance and generality in odd cases. --jim From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 14:54:45 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 14:54:45 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 636F363F1F for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:54:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1528C279 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28822-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from drax.ntdom.cupdx (drax.cu-portland.edu 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Server) with ESMTP id E590B63F3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05753-03-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CAA1163F39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so59812rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:29:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jATCtcjcb+Z0J7YYrPy+93Z6nMO3rdOJv5WzlyFB9W+tiQJdVPTE/cEw7lHelaJhWuNJyop7r2Yj/+9cEJ5wv1mqQ7f+qJ0DFeSUTj95T3MyP1j+Eg921BSGt5LyBXufO2nKMYBtbiAx+O4XMBNMp8f5uPgEMYnBC3C+QHhsgFs= Received: by 10.38.15.71 with SMTP id 71mr207233rno; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:29:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.53 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:29:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <57a21f73041123222979843b6e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:29:36 -0800 From: Taj Khattra To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 and resource discovery In-Reply-To: <20041124040536.GA17538@submarine> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041124040536.GA17538@submarine> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Taj Khattra , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I guess my question is -- is there any research going on > on how Plan9's philosophy could lend itself to this problem? > Any ideas ? Implementations ? Anything ? :-) nemo and gang's Plan B work perhaps? http://b.lsub.org/ls/papers.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 15:34:34 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 15:34:34 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5469463F60 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD60C63F3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05753-03-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from simon.atlantic.net (simon.atlantic.net [209.208.121.22]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B760763F3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29149 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 2004 06:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.81?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by simon.atlantic.net with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 06:10:08 -0000 Message-ID: <41A42D1A.7090902@chunder.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:41:30 +1100 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 and resource discovery References: <20041124040536.GA17538@submarine> In-Reply-To: <20041124040536.GA17538@submarine> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu inferno has virgil, tho it's rarely used in the wild. i find it good for "anyone out there got a /dev/mathlink?". brucee Roman Shaposhnick wrote: > Just the other day I've been having this hallway conversation where > I tried to make Plan9 sound as a solution to all the problems > (excluding world's hunger, perhaps) and the question that made > me write this email and humbly ask for your ideas was this: > "Well, it seems that Plan9 is really good about making *use* > of resources, but how does it help you *discover* them?". From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 15:35:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 15:35:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DBF463EFB for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:35:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B72BF63F3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10726-01-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9231563F39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-102-228.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.102.228]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B3EB737934; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:34:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009b01c4d1ef$131c30a0$e4667d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Taj Khattra" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20041124040536.GA17538@submarine> <57a21f73041123222979843b6e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 and resource discovery Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:30:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu there is an RFC for a RLP [Resource Location Protocol]. looked like junk to me, but maybe i missed the point? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 15:59:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 15:59:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC11363F79 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:59:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BD2663F50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03818-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4306063F3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iAO6wYEe027734 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:58:34 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:58:34 +0200 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:58:33 +0200 From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2004 06:58:34.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[03BD1D00:01C4D1F3] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] bundle format X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why are the here documents in a bundle delmitited with //GO.SYSIN DD filename ? It looks like IBM's job description language to me. Tiit@curious.but.still.alive From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 16:05:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 16:05:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA5FF63F75 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:05:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C9CB63F6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03818-02-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68DE863F6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:05:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49f5d59cf410b2f5b300c7d069efc7ca@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] archmp Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:05:12 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: <7DD37218104E31429E79EB0BB136800E11C4E7@vargas.ntdom.cupdx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Bell Labs has quite a few dual-processor Plan 9 systems and at least when I was there, a few quad- and eight-processor systems. I've got several duals, 9netics.com has a dual or two. My Plan 9 terminal is a dual. It just works. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 16:15:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 16:15:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6D9E63F89 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:15:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BE6531E77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07748-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.245]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1091E31972 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u52so26322cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:14:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MJnyjO9BdtgoSwJMoVgtgXV++om2S8B7NKBShnp7UB1CrXJ9MNY9lJ1r7Z7QXS8MoPdYQRofMSFqFK0YMnmHh/ozGmds/tNhsDlF8qbaUsURbjvUhWoSxL0ZAvEt9FXo7JMc49Oi0Zfz8zlfKb02gAzNr9zUUuP9mKu7JxU4uEY= Received: by 10.11.117.22 with SMTP id p22mr47775cwc; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.117.36 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:14:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7359f04904112323142a8fc6b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:14:33 -0800 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bundle format In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rob Pike , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I wrote bundle. I'd see the text used as a separator in some other tool, perhaps one written by James Gosling. I'm not sure which. But in any case, you want text that isn't likey to appear in your regular text, and JCL is a pretty good candidate for 'unlikely'. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 16:38:54 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 16:38:54 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3CA863F3E for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:38:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD0D763F57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03433-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE56D63F3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-102-228.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.102.228]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 862073794F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:38:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00b401c4d1f7$ee6f5ee0$e4667d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] bundle format Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:33:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu not that it's any great feat, but: http://www.insultant.net/repo/bundle.html when i have a new conract i try as much as i can to plan 9-ify it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 17:12:10 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 17:12:10 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A07063FC2 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:12:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4C3231EC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14802-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9F0263F2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so64254rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:11:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WJVYa14Fzk8krBYxwnHqyhvdJZM3HKV+dbdUXXdGOU2Hm3YtqndwNNJ3l2xI4wHXJT1wzotKGQIMUoN4WzaFrXaD7sBzfG5BcnFnCNzfj2z60h6qrNTk3n9bx3v97COBW6/qiLyF3DcMPcHeCG+ApuPBcS1pC5STtNSQbHyrpAg= Received: by 10.39.3.73 with SMTP id f73mr235038rni; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.79.27 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:11:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c2041124001129f629fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:11:27 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Free Plan 9 accounts available X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu TIP9UG is providing free Plan 9 accounts to anyone interested. 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From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 18:26:38 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 18:26:38 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 410BFC6710 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:26:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4520063F21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05273-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (cassie.foobarbaz.net [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3833A63EFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C744D66B60; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:25:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:25:44 -0800 From: Christopher Nielsen To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] archmp Message-ID: <20041124092544.GA44345@cassie.foobarbaz.net> References: <7DD37218104E31429E79EB0BB136800E11C4E7@vargas.ntdom.cupdx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7DD37218104E31429E79EB0BB136800E11C4E7@vargas.ntdom.cupdx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 09:55:29PM -0800, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: > by the way, do many use Plan 9 on MP systems, or is it just there in-case? i have a dual cpu fileserver. as geoff said, it just works. -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 19:11:35 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 19:11:35 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CFE4C672C for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:11:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 235F663F8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02355-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C6121BBAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:10:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <83a7be48b17d96a4d3d9207cebcdc618@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:10:14 0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu russcox@gmail.com says: > Well, yes and no. It does use the UIDs but also depends > on ordering. ... > > I don't think this is Gmail's problem. If that were happening, > the messages would just look reordered. Having tried it myself now, I see what Russ means. I did find with demon.co.uk that the server's reordering of messages confused upas/fs sufficiently that some would seem to disappear. But gmail's trouble is more fundamental - after you've fetched the messages once, it replies +OK 0 0 to subsequent STAT commands. Because upas/fs keeps reattaching to the server to refresh its list, it sees an apparently empty list and therefore deletes its own copy of messages to keep in sync. I wonder if this causes trouble with any other pop clients? I suppose we could add a "gmail compatibility" flag to upas/fs/pop3 to stop it from deleting its copies of messages except by explicit local request. This would allow it to be used for fetching stuff (once) from gmail to be copied to a local mailbox. -- Richard From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 19:13:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 19:13:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63B6A63F0F for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:13:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B940963EE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27875-02-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D82363EAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:13:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <87a16ff4dce11c9dfb0e8456d661dc84@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 and resource discovery From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:12:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <41A42D1A.7090902@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bvidennfrndmknnaypbfjhxmbw" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bvidennfrndmknnaypbfjhxmbw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Plan 9 derivative that I'm using, which we call Plan B, has all its services `discovered'. For example, /bin comes from mount -V /bin/!$cputype /bin BTW, this beast can also redirect some I/O devices (eg mouse) for usage with remote machines. =E2=98=BA --upas-bvidennfrndmknnaypbfjhxmbw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Wed Nov 24 07:34:17 MET 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E69463F5D for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD60C63F3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05753-03-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from simon.atlantic.net (simon.atlantic.net [209.208.121.22]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B760763F3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29149 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 2004 06:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.81?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by simon.atlantic.net with SMTP; 24 Nov 2004 06:10:08 -0000 Message-ID: <41A42D1A.7090902@chunder.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:41:30 +1100 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 and resource discovery References: <20041124040536.GA17538@submarine> In-Reply-To: <20041124040536.GA17538@submarine> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu inferno has virgil, tho it's rarely used in the wild. i find it good for "anyone out there got a /dev/mathlink?". brucee Roman Shaposhnick wrote: > Just the other day I've been having this hallway conversation where > I tried to make Plan9 sound as a solution to all the problems > (excluding world's hunger, perhaps) and the question that made > me write this email and humbly ask for your ideas was this: > "Well, it seems that Plan9 is really good about making *use* > of resources, but how does it help you *discover* them?". --upas-bvidennfrndmknnaypbfjhxmbw-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 19:16:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 19:16:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC32863FA2 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:16:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54E3363EED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09884-02-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 06C7163DFA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:15:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9d3ed124a95358cbfbd08b849c76e751@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 and resource discovery From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:15:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <083ab2fec3a16915da8da52b07c2b81c@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ach server that > wants to participate runs a small fs which gathers ldap-like info The page in http://lsub.org/who is gathered from different sources, and we see that as /who. We use directories instead of other std for exporting information. The thing seems to work well. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 20:21:47 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 20:21:47 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A73D63FC6 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:21:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51E50318FE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05942-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E673631892 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041124112114.CLVD540.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:21:14 +0000 Received: from felix.quintile.net ([81.96.207.141]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041124112114.FQWM1113.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@felix.quintile.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:21:14 +0000 Message-ID: <66956ea1139d831bff103f068d140dba@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:21:08 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] fossil rebuild doc X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have just rebuilt my fossil and isects from venti arenas, and, though this is documented in the manual it didn't stop me making mistakes. I have written up what I did - on the basis that when your disk dies you need your hand held. Please report any bugs or missing details. http://www.quintile.net/Venti-rescue.ms http://www.quintile.net/Venti-rescue.html -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 22:45:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 22:45:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A58BDC6762 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:45:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 849A763FB0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19345-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6755A63FA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so83828rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:44:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=A0z0N/YKDLI9w+63nl8YuiUqD4vhAcAo2XyiWPMucHk3Ig+apdb6fn0J999SwlBfRLdvOOVKQY89aPfUmf+nZo3oYcozsaaLhAWi0Yp22snpAqjHOAK4XxJ4vzMuPU+L8K3P8ErIAGUN/ZKgTuayWM1rha4lZSDoi47HADqfzwo= Received: by 10.38.99.75 with SMTP id w75mr329723rnb; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.44 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:44:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:44:30 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: <83a7be48b17d96a4d3d9207cebcdc618@hamnavoe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <83a7be48b17d96a4d3d9207cebcdc618@hamnavoe.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I suppose we could add a "gmail compatibility" flag to upas/fs/pop3 > to stop it from deleting its copies of messages except by > explicit local request. This would allow it to be used for > fetching stuff (once) from gmail to be copied to a local mailbox. I don't think this makes much sense, since it will only last until you reboot your terminal, and then there go your messages. You really want to just download them with a trivial pop fetch program, or forward them to your Plan 9 account directly, so that they'll be on disk in your mbox. Either way you're maintaining two separate mailboxes now. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Wed Nov 24 23:03:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Wed Nov 24 23:03:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 787B4C67EA for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:02:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BD2763FCC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21546-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC2B563FC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:02:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:01:38 0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Richard: >> I suppose we could add a "gmail compatibility" flag to upas/fs/pop3 >> to stop it from deleting its copies of messages except by >> explicit local request. This would allow it to be used for >> fetching stuff (once) from gmail to be copied to a local mailbox. Russ: > I don't think this makes much sense, since it will > only last until you reboot your terminal, and then > there go your messages. Richard: Yes, that's why I said "to be copied to a local mailbox". I should have inserted "immediately". Russ: > You really want to just > download them with a trivial pop fetch program, Richard: Yes, I'm still using the one you posted to 9fans many years ago. Simple & reliable. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 01:03:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 01:03:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3106CC6752 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:02:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BE1667A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04237-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C44655F9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:02:15 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] archmp In-Reply-To: <7DD37218104E31429E79EB0BB136800E11C4E6@vargas.ntdom.cupdx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed Nov 24 00:54:28 EST 2004, BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu wrote: > Yes yes... now that's what I was looking for. I was hunting for where I > might be able to control (or at least know) on which cpu a program executes > (or which parts on which cpus), and the memory issues that would result. > It's all built-in, you say? What happens if a cpu fails (or is removed)? > (not that happens very often, (or ever, so far as I've seen) but it's a > consideration...) Thanks!! > There is currently no capabilility to remove a cpu from the set found at startup on the x86 in Plan 9. It could be done, though. If a cpu fails you are in deep trouble in so many ways it's not worth thinking about. That's not to say we couldn't do a better job and add hot-swap for systems that can do it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 01:08:29 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 01:08:29 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41F96C2FD for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:08:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A67EB5B8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10134-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE672B504 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOG7u0q006819 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:07:59 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOG7C3T008736; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:07:15 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOG7CtQ032172; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:07:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:07:12 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu It turned out to be a misunderstanding in Xen about how to handle writes to virtual devices. Long story. Fixed. I'm running acme in a drawterm window to Xen under Plan 9. rio is next. oh wait, rio works. and acme in a rio window works. well, well, well. Now I gotta make it go fast. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 01:11:14 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 01:11:14 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10269B912 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:11:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6090BB5BA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10134-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E45C3B5B8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOGAfTx007365 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:10:41 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOGAQOJ003184; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:10:27 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOGAQtQ032285; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:10:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:10:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > > You can see the problem below. > > Where are the old R messages below? > > > srvold9p:->Rwrite tag 10 count 29 > > srvold9p:<-Twrite tag 10 fid 298 offset 52 count 5 'cpu% ' > > srvold9p:=>old Twrite tag 10 fid 298 offset 52 count 5 'cpu% ' > > srvold9p:->Rwrite tag 10 count 5 > > srvold9p:<-Tread tag 10 fid 296 offset 5 count 512 > > srvold9p:=>old Tread tag 10 fid 296 offset 5 count 512 > > srvold9p:->Rread tag 10 count 3 'ps > > ' > > srvold9p:<-Twrite tag 8 fid 298 offset 57 count 3667 'bootes 1 0:01 0:04 88K Await init > > bootes' > > srvold9p:=>old Twrite tag 8 fid 298 offset 57 count 3667 'bootes 1 0:01 0:04 88K Await init > > bootes' > > srvold9p: (pid 101, errstr read or write too large) wrote -1 to old system; should be 3683 it's a peculiarity of srvold9p that it seems not to log old R messages. Not sure why, I'm about to turn this logging off anyways ... > I think that what is happening is your old 9P server (drawterm?) > is responding with an old Rwrite with a -1 length, but that's not > acceptable (it should respond with an Rerror > instead), and the srvold9p code treats the number as > unsigned and complains that it is too big (as too big > as it could possibly be!). it was worse. Xen was silently dropping MAXMTU transmit packets from Plan 9 as they come across with a size of 1516, not 1514 bytes. You would see 1516 on a MAXMTU "DMA" to Xen because I carelessly copied some code from other plan 9 drivers that did a ROUNDUP of packet size to 4 byte boundaries -- this is ok with real ethernet hardware, it just ignores the last two bytes, but Xen was a little too smart for its own good. A fix of ROUNDUP to 2 byte boundaries fixed things. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 01:12:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 01:12:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0879B8A2 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:12:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A744B5BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10134-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.248]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6389B5BA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so56939cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:11:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=O87H0guot6DKm1Wu93nJ3JXGM1okvfXgeoLKjeez7dvVOV3ARmbMHHRWe0qXPjmZc4C8u2yIRFPDRmEElBTGyXApP37ZqkYkhN+W0PaR4FPNrdATCTtwgZTbTYlWYyaOo8oGGtRiWQr3Vt6aVQqpXV6+XR4Vjn6l61ls+WEmohM= Received: by 10.11.122.58 with SMTP id u58mr27798cwc; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.11 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:11:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e6041124081113c5603e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:11:53 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Russ Cox X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Ron, Great news! Any word on when/if we can see the source? :) Dave On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:07:12 -0700 (MST), Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > It turned out to be a misunderstanding in Xen about how to handle writes > to virtual devices. Long story. Fixed. I'm running acme in a drawterm > window to Xen under Plan 9. > > rio is next. > > oh wait, rio works. and acme in a rio window works. > > well, well, well. Now I gotta make it go fast. > > ron > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 01:22:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 01:22:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4A533187B for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:22:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80BB73187B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10134-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F5C73186B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOGMVGp008950 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:22:31 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOGMHZk011379; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:22:17 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOGMGtQ032731; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:22:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:22:16 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... In-Reply-To: <3e1162e6041124081113c5603e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <3e1162e6041124081113c5603e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, David Leimbach wrote: > Any word on when/if we can see the source? :) I had to do some forms yesterday and did not get them done. I will try to get them done monday. Approval is about 2 days. Dave, my plan is to try to recreate the build process with you in the role of Victim, and me in the role of Bad Cop (no Good Cop with this type of work, Sorry). So what I will try to send you is "how to" for rebuilding my setup, and you can then apply to your updated Xen, and we can try to catch problems that way. I hope that is ok. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 01:25:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 01:25:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 653D331A62 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:25:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0BDB31896 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20659-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.248]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7CBF31894 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so59580cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:24:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=cPkadmuaLEfV7OcYk7e+keEesIrpFJCz8YwTYSKZA4nKgJF40Tw3rYwnCe5zCKTJIxQ3E3yTlNEYSduzGXs29dqqfnR+rfxtzML35Y06mxAT/vjYD5065IAQbpLI6LWAh4Jlprmhcl3Ty43DwbStzfvfVJ36Dgx0IpsCR5vDjq0= Received: by 10.11.100.16 with SMTP id x16mr27983cwb; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.11 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:24:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112408247fa8c28@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:24:39 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > Russ: > > You really want to just > > download them with a trivial pop fetch program, > > Richard: > Yes, I'm still using the one you posted to 9fans many years ago. > Simple & reliable. > > is this basically "fetchmail-but simpler" for plan 9? I might like to try it out. On that note has anyone used Gmail's SMTP+TLS service to send outgoing mail? It'd be cool to handle all my gmail "locally" through plan 9. This would be probably the only daily use I've found for my plan 9 box so far... except for learning about plan 9 which is also kind of fun but not very productive in getting things done day-to-day. Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 01:28:18 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 01:28:18 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1294E3197B for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:28:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79338318F6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28624-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.245]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 417E2318EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so59726cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:27:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oj+n9wbzfjE7q+cG4g4jnKPOl5kNRblbY9GrFOtFTQRai4kbYL3pL/zEVIGER4XaYE/0HA9zPnQsMzyUxW/qNcxN086QDUbyiBnCwgRvGWTGYEjoaT2sK+HRPd9FfFptxR0ER6h/sIednA2/4PC4GCQYaczXe8sCJX7y/6oQuy8= Received: by 10.11.122.5 with SMTP id u5mr28012cwc; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.100.11 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:27:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e1162e604112408277f473538@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:27:40 -0800 From: David Leimbach To: "Ronald G. Minnich" Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3e1162e6041124081113c5603e@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Leimbach , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:22:16 -0700 (MST), Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, David Leimbach wrote: > > > Any word on when/if we can see the source? :) > > I had to do some forms yesterday and did not get them done. I will try to > get them done monday. Approval is about 2 days. Dave, my plan is to try to > recreate the build process with you in the role of Victim, and me in the > role of Bad Cop (no Good Cop with this type of work, Sorry). So what I > will try to send you is "how to" for rebuilding my setup, and you can > then apply to your updated Xen, and we can try to catch problems that way. > I hope that is ok. > > ron > Sounds great in a sort of techno-sado-masochistic way. I think I am going to be in town all next week but I do have to be away the following week for a few days. I'll wait to hear from you then instead of bugging you again here :). Dave From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 01:40:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 01:40:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B717F63DEE for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:40:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B28963A97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10134-01-84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 28B1D63A6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:39:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:39:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > 1516, not 1514 bytes. You would see > 1516 on a MAXMTU "DMA" to Xen because I carelessly copied some code from > other plan 9 drivers that did a ROUNDUP of packet size to 4 byte > boundaries -- this is ok with real ethernet hardware Hmmm, perhaps that's what makes some adsl routers in spain to cause problems to 9p connections. We had to lower the mtu `by hand' to fix this. Don't have time now, but I'll take a look at it now that I have a clue. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 01:58:39 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 01:58:39 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F11AF63D38 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:58:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E615318F6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28913-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B175318FE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041124165803.JWYC540.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:58:03 +0000 Received: from felix.quintile.net ([81.96.207.141]) by aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041124165803.LHDP1092.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@felix.quintile.net>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:58:03 +0000 Message-ID: <35eb396096997cde96c81a39b367915c@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:57:59 0000 To: leimy2k@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gmail's new POP features + upas/fs In-Reply-To: <3e1162e604112408247fa8c28@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I put a copy of getpop3.c in /n/sources/steve Its Russ's code, but I bodged in support for factotum. I use it to to pull from CCmail which is so slow it makes direct upas/fs access painfull. -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 02:33:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 02:33:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C97C063F99 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:33:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09E0263EED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09811-01-98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32A5663EE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOHXNoZ021931 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:33:24 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOHX9qk025965; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:33:09 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOHX9tQ003428; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:33:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:33:09 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, xen-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Subject: [9fans] plan 9 on xen X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu OK, to sum up, I have got Plan 9 running on a slightly old xen-unstable image under vmware (i.e. xen under vmware, plan 9 under xen -- no wonder it's not a speed demon :0). I can drawterm in and run rio and acme under rio and compile and do other such stuff. Performance is not great but I think I see ways to make it better -- this is a first cut. I hope to start release of code next week, and I have a volunteer to get it up to date with the latest greatest xen. I'm going to take some time off now before I break something. :-) ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 04:21:09 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 04:21:09 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AFE3C670E for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:21:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B5D763FD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20299-01-86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3B8B63FDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:20:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] xen progress ... Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:20:18 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-djetatnxwzdngldpifkhpjlank" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-djetatnxwzdngldpifkhpjlank Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > You can see the problem below. >> >> Where are the old R messages below? >> >> > srvold9p:->Rwrite tag 10 count 29 >> > srvold9p:<-Twrite tag 10 fid 298 offset 52 count 5 'cpu% ' >> > srvold9p:=>old Twrite tag 10 fid 298 offset 52 count 5 'cpu% ' >> > srvold9p:->Rwrite tag 10 count 5 >> > srvold9p:<-Tread tag 10 fid 296 offset 5 count 512 >> > srvold9p:=>old Tread tag 10 fid 296 offset 5 count 512 >> > srvold9p:->Rread tag 10 count 3 'ps >> > ' >> > srvold9p:<-Twrite tag 8 fid 298 offset 57 count 3667 'bootes 1 0:01 0:04 88K Await init >> > bootes' >> > srvold9p:=>old Twrite tag 8 fid 298 offset 57 count 3667 'bootes 1 0:01 0:04 88K Await init >> > bootes' >> > srvold9p: (pid 101, errstr read or write too large) wrote -1 to old system; should be 3683 > > it's a peculiarity of srvold9p that it seems not to log old R messages. > Not sure why, I'm about to turn this logging off anyways ... i'm not sure if the attached pic would explain it. i did a while back while i was trying to understand srvold9p. --upas-djetatnxwzdngldpifkhpjlank Content-Type: application/x-dvi Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=srvold9p.dvi Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F09E63B36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29118-01-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5E8563B72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOKC2Vi015819 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:12:02 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iAOKBlbi022215 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 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Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: [Xen-devel] plan 9 on xen X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > Performance is not great but I think I see ways to make it better -- this > is a first cut. oh yea, one reason performance is not great. I'm still running srvold9p in debug mode -- logging all 9p traffic :-) ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 07:44:32 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 07:44:32 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCFB263F8F for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:44:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E41C63F96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00680-01-74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 038F763F7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAOMhhUR004572; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:43:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAOMhgn9007425; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:43:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iAOMhfw11107; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:43:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411242243.iAOMhfw11107@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Devon H. O'Dell" In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:38:27 +0100." <41A4E333.7060108@sitetronics.com> References: <200411072314.iA7NE8b24549@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> <41A4E333.7060108@sitetronics.com> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:43:41 +0100 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: twente9con date poll X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9793.1101336066.1@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl.cs.utwente.nl> > Axel Belinfante wrote: > > I'd like to try to kind of fix the date(s) in the next > > couple of days (before I'll be away for a while), > > to allow people to start making travel arrangements. > > > > I'm leaning towards one or two days in the 20-22 Dec period. > > It was suggested to me that offically starting Dec 21 might > > be a good idea. [etc] > Any further information on this? Oops. I did sent out an email to 9fans before I left for vacation, but forgot to send you a copy. it's attached below. it says (should say) all... Axel. ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: twente9con: tue 21 + wed 22 december 2004 From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:10:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CAB1663FF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18642-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62A6463EBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAON9qde005497 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:09:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAON9pn9010625 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:09:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iAON9pF25038 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:09:51 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411242309.iAON9pF25038@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:09:50 +0100 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] (oops, sorry) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu sorry, did not intend to send previous message to the list as well. Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 18:37:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 18:37:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43C4F63F98 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:37:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CF8BC249 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29640-02-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 487A2C248 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:37:09 -0500 (EST) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:37:07 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: srv Thread-Index: AcTS0lRVpApNtqh5TuiftJlVVmKaGw== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] srv X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi, is it 'kosher' to stop cdfs (and other fileservers like 9660srv, dossrv) = this way: kill cdfs | rc ??? thanks, regards, ++pac. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. 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Verze: 6.0.799 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 543 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 19. 11. 2004 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 25 21:31:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Thu Nov 25 21:31:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94E6463FF2 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:31:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98A83BF14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03174-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DBBBBF50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so506910wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:31:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Z98FVgU0opklu4c4zdSpiXVkmVj49tr8ci6Q0cN8mQKByGHwI7RP+JiYlhQjvIM/qwjcdAB0CkyZNyJxcI1+L4scWPQjdo4g3ECNmTs9Kh4e9fB9xZTMnUSY5rTb/W/UAkewXZK5qYdKrlgEJlZNA9ylR2p5ZzMnAQMk6XVv6ag= Received: by 10.54.46.2 with SMTP id t2mr227658wrt; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.79 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:31:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604112504317e88a581@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:31:00 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 21c3 hackcenter registration X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Moin, the 21c3 hackcenter registration is on line now. If anyone is interested in coming to Berlin please drop me a note. If there are more than two 9fans on 21c3 I'll try to register a little corner in the hackcenter. I can also bring in a dual cpu/fileserver so you can boot your terminals in Berlin. The space is limited so contact me immediately Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 01:44:53 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 01:44:53 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC567C6755 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:44:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C2A531674 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23149-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBC44C4E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=45572 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CXMj4-0006Kz-E6 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:44:10 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:3132 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by smtp5.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CXMj2-00010h-GD for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:44:08 +0100 Message-ID: <41A60BD8.7070409@sitetronics.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:44:08 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello list, I know it's been discussed a lot in the list before, and scoffed at due to various reasons (having to hack to activate the VESA support in the first place, it not necessarily being SMP-safe and the fact that it's not accellerated), but I'd like to implement VESA support for Plan9. I got some tips to look in Inferno code, since Roger Peppe had implemented a VESA driver there. After looking through the Inferno source, it appears that any VESA code has been left out of the public source. I've tried Plan9 a couple times in the past 6 or 7 years, and have only successfully used it a couple of times due to unsupported video. I'm interested in writing a VESA driver. I know it's slow, but at least it'll allow Plan9 to support 90-something percent of the video cards manufactured in the last N years. Whether or not it is accellerated, it's better than nothing at all. I'm writing to the list to ask if anybody has already started on this perhaps sometime in the past and has code left over that I could start with. If the code is available under a BSD or similar license, that'd be great, because I'd like the code to be available under a BSD or similar license. Otherwise, is anybody interested in working with me on this? I'll need to do a decent bit of source code reading and such before I can be productive, but I'm wanting to start right now. Any / all help and tips would be appreciated. Kind regards, Devon H. 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Freundlichst, Christoph From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 02:07:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 02:07:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9276E318B6 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:07:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 673D0316E5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02316-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 816B33166E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:07:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:13:26 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <41A60BD8.7070409@sitetronics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I got some tips to look in Inferno code, since Roger Peppe had > implemented a VESA driver there. After looking through the Inferno > source, it appears that any VESA code has been left out of the public > source. the code is here: http://www.vitanuova.com/dist/vesa.tgz it was done for an earlier version of inferno, but should still be applicable (probably with some changes - i haven't looked at it for years). at the time, most video cards i found did not implement VBE2.0 so there's some probe code taken off the net that probes the card kind to see how to do bank swapping. presumbly VBE2.0-compatible cards are more prevalent now, which allow the portable setting of a linear framebuffer - it would be nice to remove that dross the main complexity is that the vid card setup must be done in 16 bit mode, so it has to be done in 16-bit assembler before the main bootstrap runs. this is done in boot-pc/l16.s, which presents a menu of possible video modes, allows the user to select one and presents a test display to allow the user to verify that the mode works. most of the code is there (in l16.s) - other changed stuff deals with bank swapping (mentioned above), passing the video params through to the main kernel (this will probably have changed), and stealing the SVGA font so that the bootstrap knows how to print stuff (since the bootstrap code is entered in graphics mode, not CGA mode, so we can't easily print chars). life would have been much easier if i had been able to figure a way of invoking 16-bit BIOS calls from 32-bit real mode, but i failed. anyone know how? other systems seem to manage it. my memory is very rusty, but email me if you want help figuring out my crappy code! cheers, rog. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 03:46:50 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 03:46:50 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE73963FF4 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:46:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55CD963A0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10969-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7EBB863A07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F76133A7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:46:12 -1000 (HST) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:46:12 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] linker bug X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu There appears to be a bug in the linker (at least in kl) when using the -R flag. When I specify a value of -R0x4 everything seems to work fine. If I specify larger values such as -R0x10, then occasionally (depending on the size of the text region, I presume) the emitted binary is incorrect. For example, if I have an initialized variable: static int x = 0x12345678; then the address of x (in the symbol table and as referenced by the instructions) will not line up with the initialized word that contains the value 0x12345678. I've stopped using the flag in this way (turns out I didnt need it after all), so I haven't tracked down the bug any further, but thought I'd mention it before it bites someone else. Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 03:58:09 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 03:58:09 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 250DF63FF4 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:58:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AB9363F69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16777-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9915463D47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=43317 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CXOo7-0000e8-Q8 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:57:31 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:3476 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by smtp2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CXOo6-0002ma-4T for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:57:30 +0100 Message-ID: <41A62B1A.4010008@sitetronics.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:57:30 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 References: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> In-Reply-To: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu rog@vitanuova.com wrote: >>I got some tips to look in Inferno code, since Roger Peppe had >>implemented a VESA driver there. After looking through the Inferno >>source, it appears that any VESA code has been left out of the public >>source. > > > the code is here: > > http://www.vitanuova.com/dist/vesa.tgz > > it was done for an earlier version of inferno, but should > still be applicable (probably with some changes - i haven't looked > at it for years). > > at the time, most video cards i found did not implement VBE2.0 > so there's some probe code taken off the net that probes the > card kind to see how to do bank swapping. > presumbly VBE2.0-compatible cards are more prevalent now, > which allow the portable setting of a linear framebuffer - > it would be nice to remove that dross > > the main complexity is that the vid card setup must be done in > 16 bit mode, so it has to be done in 16-bit assembler before > the main bootstrap runs. this is done in boot-pc/l16.s, > which presents a menu of possible video modes, allows the > user to select one and presents a test display to allow the user > to verify that the mode works. > > most of the code is there (in l16.s) - other changed stuff deals > with bank swapping (mentioned above), passing the > video params through to the main kernel (this will probably have > changed), and stealing the SVGA font so that the bootstrap > knows how to print stuff (since the bootstrap code is entered > in graphics mode, not CGA mode, so we can't easily print chars). > > life would have been much easier if i had been able to figure > a way of invoking 16-bit BIOS calls from 32-bit real mode, > but i failed. anyone know how? other systems seem to manage it. > > my memory is very rusty, but email me if you want help figuring > out my crappy code! > > cheers, > rog. Thanks for this code, Roger! I'm definitely going to take a look at it. I think I'm going to start with a VBE3.0 driver, since that can be implemented fully in protected mode, and then look at implementing some kind of emulation (similar to what XFree86 might do) for VBE 1.2 and 2.0. This is a real help for that, in any case. You'll definitely hear from me if I've got questions :). Kind regards, Devon H. 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(bob.hartley@24.103.75.243 with plain) by smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 03:03:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Bob Hartley Subject: Fwd: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:03:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Please correct me if I am wrong on this: Is it true that the XFree86 device driver modules are platform portable, as long as they are for the same instruction set architecture? For some rason I thought the Linux and BSD mobs could swap video drivers around amoungst themselves. If so, would it be possible to create some sort of adapter code that would wrap the x11 device drivers for Plan9 use? Sorry if this is a naive/misbegotten thought, regards, Robert > On Nov 25, 2004, at 1:57 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > >> rog@vitanuova.com wrote: >>>> I got some tips to look in Inferno code, since Roger Peppe had >>>> implemented a VESA driver there. After looking through the Inferno >>>> source, it appears that any VESA code has been left out of the >>>> public >>>> source. >>> the code is here: >>> http://www.vitanuova.com/dist/vesa.tgz > > > >>> cheers, >>> rog. >> >> Thanks for this code, Roger! I'm definitely going to take a look at >> it. I think I'm going to start with a VBE3.0 driver, since that can >> be implemented fully in protected mode, and then look at implementing >> some kind of emulation (similar to what XFree86 might do) for VBE 1.2 >> and 2.0. This is a real help for that, in any case. You'll definitely >> hear from me if I've got questions :). >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Devon H. O'Dell >> > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 12:09:26 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 12:09:26 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E69D1C6785 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:09:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C499DC6769 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25297-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8ACF6C6762 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so218983rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:08:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=rXRsd+qP29aXtHtYY4ehVkRlUouq9RI9HIlCrFcps3riMiz2uZNVAGDQ3qUaoI2TAnDVFO+2gwbi9pj/dyhNE/o56fcwd3ulNTTTXUjMvr/0SWr6OtPBc64vr/DiKQ58K05pdkt3eV1cU161PIw/OSNXLxnOvY2RMK26rFYHrEg= Received: by 10.39.2.21 with SMTP id e21mr356179rni; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.44 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:08:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:08:47 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Please correct me if I am wrong on this: > Is it true that the XFree86 device driver modules are platform > portable, as long as they are for the same instruction set > architecture? For some rason I thought the Linux and BSD mobs could > swap video drivers around amoungst themselves. As long as you want to use them for X. > If so, would it be possible to create some sort of adapter code that > would wrap the x11 device drivers for Plan9 use? Possible? Yes. Particularly easy? Nowhere close. The X interface is much more complicated than the Plan 9 interface, and the interface is very different. In particular Plan 9 splits the job between user space and the kernel, while X goes through some hoops to do everything in user space. I doubt I would want to load X modules into the kernel, even if someone did do the huge amount of work to pull it off. I wonder if instead there is a way to pull the relevant information out of the code and generate a Plan 9 driver in its place. That would still be a lot of work, but the final pieces might be better for our use. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 12:09:58 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 12:09:58 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ABE34C676F for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:09:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB518C6778 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25297-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 312ABC6799 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA (80-125-102-228.dti.cegetel.net [80.125.102.228]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C1FD337A3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:09:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <022f01c4d364$9d9e8ae0$e4667d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:04:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > If so, would it be possible to create some sort of adapter code that > would wrap the x11 device drivers for Plan9 use? two words: hideous mess From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 13:20:36 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 13:20:36 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 271A1C67A8 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:20:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBF0CC6792 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14555-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.79]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3C984C6762 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (bob.hartley@24.103.75.243 with plain) by smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 04:20:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EFF6CA0-3F62-11D9-9629-000A9573A128@rogers.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bob Hartley Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:19:58 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Oh well, I was hoping it would be something nice the way the new FreeBSD allows loading Windows NIC drivers, except we have access to the sources for X11. I will take a look at this in case some of the drivers are simply table driven list of port numbers and data values to write. Thanks anyways, Rob On Nov 25, 2004, at 10:08 PM, Russ Cox wrote: >> Please correct me if I am wrong on this: >> Is it true that the XFree86 device driver modules are platform >> portable, as long as they are for the same instruction set >> architecture? For some rason I thought the Linux and BSD mobs could >> swap video drivers around amoungst themselves. > > As long as you want to use them for X. > >> If so, would it be possible to create some sort of adapter code that >> would wrap the x11 device drivers for Plan9 use? > > Possible? Yes. Particularly easy? Nowhere close. > The X interface is much more complicated than the > Plan 9 interface, and the interface is very different. > In particular Plan 9 splits the job between user space > and the kernel, while X goes through some hoops to > do everything in user space. I doubt I would want to load > X modules into the kernel, even if someone did do the > huge amount of work to pull it off. > > I wonder if instead there is a way to pull the relevant > information out of the code and generate a Plan 9 > driver in its place. That would still be a lot of work, but > the final pieces might be better for our use. > > Russ > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 13:57:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 13:57:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4EDD0C67EB for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:57:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36F9FC67BD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26884-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55F89C67B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:56:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6213a5648600a4717b8953655613ab65@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] srv From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:58:48 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > is it 'kosher' to stop cdfs (and other fileservers like 9660srv, dossrv) this way: > > kill cdfs | rc What you are afraid of? By the way, cdfs did a good job of my making boot CDROM for PC-Doctor for T42. As I'm a newbie to WinXp, I wondered what kind of software can do this. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 14:52:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 14:52:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFD57C67E9 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:52:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB574C6787 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10788-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D049C678F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=57629 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CXZ1l-0002EA-Tj for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:52:17 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:3031 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by smtp3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CXZ1l-0001aO-6j for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:52:17 +0100 Message-ID: <41A6C491.2000805@sitetronics.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:52:17 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 References: <6EFF6CA0-3F62-11D9-9629-000A9573A128@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <6EFF6CA0-3F62-11D9-9629-000A9573A128@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Bob Hartley wrote: > Oh well, I was hoping it would be something nice the way the new FreeBSD > allows loading Windows NIC drivers, except we have access to the sources > for X11. > > I will take a look at this in case some of the drivers are simply table > driven list of port numbers and data values to write. > > Thanks anyways, > > Rob Well, in any case, DragonFly BSD and FreeBSD have quite clean VESA implementations supporting versions 1.2 and above (and only what's in the spec, all drawing functions will have to be written from scratch). I'm in the process of getting a work environment set up, and I think that I can get at least the spec accomplished in a relatively short amount of time. WRT other drivers, the only ones that are really of interest would be the DRM drivers, these are included and actively developed in FreeBSD and DragonFly BSD. X11 drivers are pretty .... unpretty. I'll keep the list updated on my progress! --Devon > On Nov 25, 2004, at 10:08 PM, Russ Cox wrote: > >>> Please correct me if I am wrong on this: >>> Is it true that the XFree86 device driver modules are platform >>> portable, as long as they are for the same instruction set >>> architecture? For some rason I thought the Linux and BSD mobs could >>> swap video drivers around amoungst themselves. >> >> >> As long as you want to use them for X. >> >>> If so, would it be possible to create some sort of adapter code that >>> would wrap the x11 device drivers for Plan9 use? >> >> >> Possible? Yes. Particularly easy? Nowhere close. >> The X interface is much more complicated than the >> Plan 9 interface, and the interface is very different. >> In particular Plan 9 splits the job between user space >> and the kernel, while X goes through some hoops to >> do everything in user space. I doubt I would want to load >> X modules into the kernel, even if someone did do the >> huge amount of work to pull it off. >> >> I wonder if instead there is a way to pull the relevant >> information out of the code and generate a Plan 9 >> driver in its place. That would still be a lot of work, but >> the final pieces might be better for our use. >> >> Russ >> > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 19:59:51 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 19:59:51 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9750BC68EA for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:59:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0EC0C6851 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00913-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sasamarunek (unknown [81.95.98.125]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A790DC685C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [147.231.137.76] (unknown [147.231.137.76]) by sasamarunek (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779F91CF196 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:58:39 +0100 (CET) From: alexandr To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1101470316.3004.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:58:37 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] WHY two different methods of mounting (ext2srv vs. cdfs) ? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi ! i wonder why ext2srv and cdfs differ in method of mounting? ext2srv when run posts fd in directory /srv and user can use this /srv/ext2 descriptor to mount a linux partition somewhere in system for example /n/linux BUT cdfs doesn't place any fd in /srv and automatically mounts itself to /mnt/cd using default device /dev/sdD0. WHY these two fileservers differ? thanx for answers. sasa babic. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Fri Nov 26 21:33:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Fri Nov 26 21:33:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0755FC68BD for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 07:33:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8204A63D4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 07:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08712-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 07:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust142.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.142]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 239AFC680B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 07:32:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <211e0549b6190c6b06826b118ff1fc88@terzarima.net> From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:37:41 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] linker bug In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-byofeduteweanpxjbomzqggxfo" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-byofeduteweanpxjbomzqggxfo Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the -R option means: the thing that reads in this program will put the data at an offset that is consistent with the value given by -R, so round the start of data accordingly. if it's right in the symbol table, and in the instructions, kl is correct. the problem will be with the program (bootstrap?) that reads in the program and sets it up in memory. --upas-byofeduteweanpxjbomzqggxfo Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu Nov 25 18:52:06 GMT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5492C676F for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:46:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55CD963A0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10969-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from babingka.lava.net (babingka.lava.net [64.65.64.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7EBB863A07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by babingka.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F76133A7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:46:12 -1000 (HST) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:46:12 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] linker bug X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu There appears to be a bug in the linker (at least in kl) when using the -R flag. When I specify a value of -R0x4 everything seems to work fine. If I specify larger values such as -R0x10, then occasionally (depending on the size of the text region, I presume) the emitted binary is incorrect. For example, if I have an initialized variable: static int x = 0x12345678; then the address of x (in the symbol table and as referenced by the instructions) will not line up with the initialized word that contains the value 0x12345678. I've stopped using the flag in this way (turns out I didnt need it after all), so I haven't tracked down the bug any further, but thought I'd mention it before it bites someone else. Tim N. --upas-byofeduteweanpxjbomzqggxfo-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 27 03:42:56 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 27 03:42:56 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC841C6985 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:42:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 306E6C68FA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06803-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2B28C6882 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:42:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] WHY two different methods of mounting (ext2srv vs. cdfs) ? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:48:25 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <1101470316.3004.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > WHY these two fileservers differ? no reason. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 27 08:01:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 27 08:01:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B1AEC6943 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:00:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA20BC678A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15931-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74C85C6762 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAQMxjl0008051 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:59:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAQMxjn9029121 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:59:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id iAQMxj920959 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:59:45 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200411262259.iAQMxj920959@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] sokoban In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Sep 2004 20:34:51 -0400." References: <6dbd1b06e8bd4108e89b29d6e692b81f@plan9.ucalgary.ca> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:59:44 +0100 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu A while ago Russ suggested: > a really nice addition is that you click on a ball > and a desitnation square, and if glenda can move > the ball there without touching any others, she > does so automatically. it's a lot nicer than the > "click one square at a time" once you get to > higher levels. i may add that later if no one beats > me to it. the search is not completely trivial, > but not so hard. at http://plan9.cs.utwente.nl/sokobanupd.tgz you will now find something that might be seen as a first step towards that, although slightly different in nature. If you click on a destination square then the following may happen: If - the destination square is on the same row or column as glenda, and - there is a ball next to glenda (in the direction of the destination square), and - all squares between the ball and the destination square (where glenda will move) are empty, and - the square next to the destination square where glenda will push the ball is empty too, then glenda will move to the destination square, pushing the ball while moving. Otherwise, if glenda can go to the destination square without touching anything, it will do so. Otherwise, nothing will happen. I found this working pretty well, although sometimes I do not get what I want (a 'push' instead of a 'walk' or the other way around). Russ' suggestion may work better in practice (but I only looked up his suggestion to type this message - after my hacking was already kind of completed). The search algorithm is pretty simplistic; it can be seen in action by toggling the 'animate' entry in the button 3 menu. 'noanimate' disables animation. The .tgz file contains an updated version of the files in /sys/src/games/sokoban - this seemed easier than providing it as a diff or patch - just unpack in a new directory, mk and run the result. there are small changes in sokoban.[ch] and mkfile, the multi-step stuff is in new file route.c. If it is seen as an improvement, integration in any form with the version on sources would be fine with me. Enjoy! Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 27 21:01:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sat Nov 27 21:01:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07599C6959 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:00:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACB88C6902 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05064-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 06:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 58304C68FB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 06:59:57 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200411262259.iAQMxj920959@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> References: <6dbd1b06e8bd4108e89b29d6e692b81f@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <200411262259.iAQMxj920959@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:59:52 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] namespace construction X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello, I have two questions on namespace construction. 1st: Let alice executes: void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { rfork(RFCNAMEG); bind("#c", "/dev", MAFTER); execute("/boot/factotum", "factotum -n"); print_owner("/mnt/factotum/ctl") } where execute() is fork + exec + wait and print_owner prints file owner. then the program will print "alice" however if bind is commented out, it print "none" Is this a specification ? 2nd: we will find the line: ai = fauth_proxy(afd, rpc, amount_getkey, "proto=p9any role=client"); in /sys/src/libauth/newns.c note that user name is not specified here. this can cause unexpected result. for example, let factotum key for alice is: key proto=p9sk1 dom=aichi-u.ac.jp user=alice !password? key proto=p9sk1 dom=aichi-u.ac.jp user=bob !password? then fauth_proxy will always get alice's key and constructs namespace for alice even if alice want to be bob. another example is: if alice puts factotum keys into secstore key proto=p9sk1 dom=aichi-u.ac.jp user=bob !password? key proto=p9sk1 dom=aichi-u.ac.jp user=alice !password? then alice will surprise to find that the namespace is not for alice. why user is not specified in fauth_proxy ? Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 00:39:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 00:39:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23BBEC6980 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:39:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A5A3C692A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10275-01-86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38631C6927 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dudzus@ukato.freeshell.org [192.94.73.7]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iARFcepY006935 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:38:40 GMT Received: (from dudzus@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id iARFcdV3026629 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:38:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:38:39 +0100 From: Heiko Dudzus To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] namespace construction Message-ID: <20041127153839.GA14180@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <6dbd1b06e8bd4108e89b29d6e692b81f@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <200411262259.iAQMxj920959@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: > Hello, > > I have two questions on namespace construction. "In-Reply-To" and "References" to posts about sokoban by accident? Looks strange and confuses in threading mailreaders. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 01:00:49 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 01:00:49 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0F48C694A for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:00:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4125C63B41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29028-03-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D39D663AC6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so303021rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:00:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=lJLbJCjzW66UO1oB+B56BP0j++K0OeMe/quJRltKRpulXj4f4ytGjGO9RtK+Ihlu4VxVQzL3tJP6Rtsyd54tlCgcns/vjIYoOIWb3xDmGLa8XQPlL0ScR1ypwcoZujTkGkSAyh3fa6Rnl0lDGh0EHS0vD4UbnI2r5fYQ2MrBd1s= Received: by 10.38.208.75 with SMTP id f75mr134289rng; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.15.47 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:00:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:00:14 +0100 From: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] german kbmap In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <174cd0e0f0ac3f9a22db61a816c2339d@plan9.escet.urjc.es> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fgergo@gmail.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:58:41 0000, C H Forsyth wrote: ... > i've now spent several days finding and installing > different Project Management packages only to find that: they've been > abandoned; they can't read back what they wrote out (and they've > been abandoned but restarted elsewhere) ... > i was better off doing it by hand. i did find one program that would > compile and run under plan 9, so i've used that. it has been abandoned, > but i can cope. what's the name of it? thanks: gergo From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 02:27:51 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 02:27:51 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E5B5C6970 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:27:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D0F6C6961 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08942-02-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9371C6960 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so306862rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:27:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=b2ERUFrAc6xJhOowOECvDpOr6TrY4dwSndgBrqZwNw9hmBSdIvU7rEe5fwxrY+m8+CKgwH78hw4mYzRAbzPNtXES3xY05FZNCiX8lmNLGoOftN98d0Ker6KbZQEA+Mv8COcZxs5P3sWv4DsQBya3Cv2geOvYHntUv09R3UiejQI= Received: by 10.39.2.21 with SMTP id e21mr909013rni; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.80 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:27:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:27:13 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] namespace construction In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6dbd1b06e8bd4108e89b29d6e692b81f@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <200411262259.iAQMxj920959@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > void > main(int argc, char *argv[]) > { > rfork(RFCNAMEG); > bind("#c", "/dev", MAFTER); > execute("/boot/factotum", "factotum -n"); > print_owner("/mnt/factotum/ctl") > } > > where execute() is fork + exec + wait > and print_owner prints file owner. > > then the program will print "alice" > however if bind is commented out, it print "none" > Is this a specification ? Factotum reads /dev/user to learn its user name. > 2nd: > > we will find the line: > ai = fauth_proxy(afd, rpc, amount_getkey, "proto=p9any > role=client"); > in /sys/src/libauth/newns.c > note that user name is not specified here. > this can cause unexpected result. > for example, let factotum key for alice is: > key proto=p9sk1 dom=aichi-u.ac.jp user=alice !password? > key proto=p9sk1 dom=aichi-u.ac.jp user=bob !password? > then fauth_proxy will always get alice's key and constructs namespace > for alice even if alice want to be bob. > another example is: > if alice puts factotum keys into secstore > key proto=p9sk1 dom=aichi-u.ac.jp user=bob !password? > key proto=p9sk1 dom=aichi-u.ac.jp user=alice !password? > then alice will surprise to find that the namespace is not for alice. > why user is not specified in fauth_proxy ? The convention in Plan 9 is that the first usable key gets used. If the user name had to be specified, then that would just be one more thing to worry about that usually doesn't matter -- most of the time there is exactly one key that works. If alice wants to be bob, she can set up a different factotum with bob's keys first or comment out her own key. Not having to specify the user name means that I can mount file systems from multiple systems, where I might be rsc, or rcox, or russcox, or rscox2, or whatever else, without having to explicitly tell newns about all of these. Instead my factotum can fill in the details. It might be useful for users to be able to specify, on a per mount basis, which key to use, but newns is not a per-user thing -- that code sets up the name space for any user, not just alice, using files in /lib, so there's no place to put special annotations like "when I'm alice, use bob's key here." Note that if you're using mount or cpu instead of newns then you can use -k with a key pattern to specifiy a key. For example, mount -k 'user=bob' to force the mount to try only keys with user=bob. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 05:23:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 05:23:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08353C696E for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:23:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 879E6C694A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12121-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25E69C6944 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF94E17261 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:23:09 -1000 (HST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:23:09 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] kernel - kmapinval? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, What is kmapinval() used for in the kernel? It appears to be called only in hzclock() and defined as a no-op in all architectures, giving little clue as to what its function should be. Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 06:50:39 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 06:50:39 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C3183185C for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:50:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CC6431767 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01211-01-25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from gau.lava.net (gau.lava.net [64.65.64.28]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70F5B3172B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [64.65.64.17]) by gau.lava.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE720172BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:50:06 -1000 (HST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:50:06 -1000 (HST) From: Tim Newsham To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] kernel - kmap/KADDR ? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, I'm confused about the usage of kmap and KADDR in the code. I had assumed that kmap() was used to map a page into kernel memory, and kunmap() was used to unmap that page. I just noticed that the KADDR() macro is used in the port code in a similar way. The port code calls KADDR on a physical addr, and then starts reading and writing the returned address. Is this the correct usage of KADDR? If so, isnt kmap() completely redudant then? Also, if this is the expected behavior of KADDR, then how are platforms that have large memories supported? (ie. if you have more phys memory than free space above KZERO). kmap() could handle this (since there is a kunmap, and only a limited number of active mappings), but KADDR does not have any unmap facility and must rely on a large static mapping of memory. Tim N. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 09:55:23 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 09:55:23 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21DFDC6920 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:55:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4570C63BEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09381-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33FFE63BB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so323187rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:54:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=s4lVQN0oQK68D7GhX2Dl/8n+1Sd9wygZV7ABN4WqZRnZITIvYcPb8mmV0cY/1REJiVwXECAaszr6PT2GG19ypOUL9Akmfa3BlmJmN0eVA+4xTmb69se2XZY1nZXaPYIRATvmu8Dd7v+bJJCbcIJa+FQyINnYuIDdocGZYIY5eHw= Received: by 10.38.209.11 with SMTP id h11mr1016140rng; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.80 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:54:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:54:46 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] kernel - kmap/KADDR ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'm confused about the usage of kmap and KADDR in the code. I > had assumed that kmap() was used to map a page into kernel memory, > and kunmap() was used to unmap that page. I just noticed that the > KADDR() macro is used in the port code in a similar way. The > port code calls KADDR on a physical addr, and then starts reading > and writing the returned address. KADDR is only used to access the physical memory occupied by the kernel and its data. Kmap/kunmap are used to access the whole of physical memory. So they're not redundant, and that's why there's no unmap for KADDR. Kmap/kunmap are exactly what you think they are. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 10:10:43 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 10:10:43 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDB6263C3B for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:10:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B96B2639AD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13021-02-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 81C396398B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so323603rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:10:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Na16MeejrXkakrgwCTV4T8lp0JyP7at4Z35zn43rwAbmAMCFwYNelvGmprE1bIAcAgqfUHDvyXnd60rug0xWajhP44UUhwwikvLUxejnBjwmUaqxHN706Xj/9qVk+/x525QxA2YB+5n0PcoBFFn1qv/QGaAzpDSJ2QRjAWA+xes= Received: by 10.38.15.39 with SMTP id 39mr1013082rno; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.80 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:10:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:10:08 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] kernel - kmapinval? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Kmapinval is used on non-x86 multiprocessor architectures, like the unreleasable port to the SGI machines. The big picture is that kmap() maps some physical memory so that the kernel can fiddle with it, kunmap() marks it as unmapped in the kernel's own data structures, and kmapinval() actually flushes the entries from the processor or from the software TLB so that those virtual addresses can be reused for other mappings. Running kmapinval() lazily at the clock interrupt instead of on demand avoids the complexities of interprocessor interrupts and TLB shootdowns. It is unfortunate that no released architecture source demonstrates this technique. Should the PC kernels ever get rewritten to handle larger memories, they'd be a good example. The carrera sources in 3e have an mmu.c that is about the same as what was used on the challenge and demonstrates the technique, even though the carrera was only ever a uniprocessor. Russ On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:23:09 -1000 (HST), Tim Newsham wrote: > Hi, > > What is kmapinval() used for in the kernel? It appears to be > called only in hzclock() and defined as a no-op in all architectures, > giving little clue as to what its function should be. > > Tim N. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 15:43:45 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 15:43:45 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B84EAB8B2 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:43:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BDB9AFEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09061-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFEFFAF2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so333171rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:42:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dowMp7UpyNQqTXijvefdAJFdCyfOA2iIXQsBYIljMV+Dgu+sf1JdpLibaFZrz792/lhYhfB3zOzcH0V/AZGrPS5sYboy8M3x+66SQBe9BYsCjkpOW1hWkZMUiVrf2mt+8gppOu7LKX4KLzQGJJeZQxmyo82ya07dUWGWqiK1PmY= Received: by 10.38.104.65 with SMTP id b65mr1077724rnc; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.89.46 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:42:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c204112722421dbdea32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:42:58 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Connecting Non Plan 9 computers to the Internet via a Plan 9 gateway. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I am interested in connecting my daughter's iMac to the Internet via a Plan 9 gateway. I imagine that i don't need a firewall for security. I can simply run a firewall program on the iMac for security. However, I still need the ablility to connect to the Internet. How can I use a Plan 9 gateway as a "proxy server" or to perform "network address translation" services? I imagine that this has been done before, no? Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance. -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 17:57:02 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 17:57:02 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F499C69FE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:56:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39BC3AFEB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11455-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCDABAFDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.117.76.3] (port=1036 helo=pc) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CYKqX-0002F1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:55:54 +0300 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:54:45 +0200 From: Sergey Reva X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <73278964.20041128105445@mail.ru> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] usb or lp X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Reva , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, With "latest sources" (about month ago) I can't print on my Canon S200 printer with USB interface. What happened? How fix this? /sys/src/cmd/usb/misc/usbprint have error: for (c in '{seq 16}) where $c used in usb$c, it only generate number from 1 to 16, how about usb0? In my old sources I have usbprint like this: for (c in /dev/usb?[0-9]*) But I don't used this and printer works well. No when I try print something I get only this: cat: write error copying /tmp/xyz: ken has left the building And finally in usbprint all version for printing used ep2data but in my case work only ep1data. With best regards Sergey Reva -- http://rs-rlab.narod.ru mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 20:25:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 20:25:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C043BC685E for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:25:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED23563A9C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24546-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D374863A88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so339060rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:24:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=S1tmzRIObljftgBcSOMSlFMdmSVFvoLSI3o/QA/PvLqVVHeXVyR+UkArMVw4QILgmmimLl8qgGx1+N32EO059926GsDtoMr8/Z5Foh8g5KKaLjSzXLBNR238ZFr4NswxcATwiAxG7KEF7vX09/u4f/qDSmNdzcNAkhMEJyF13nU= Received: by 10.38.209.11 with SMTP id h11mr1137924rng; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.89.46 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:24:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32a656c2041128032422968855@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:24:46 +0900 From: Vester Thacker To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <32a656c204112722421dbdea32@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <32a656c204112722421dbdea32@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: Connecting Non Plan 9 computers to the Internet via a Plan 9 gateway. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:42:58 +0900, Vester Thacker wrote: > > I imagine that this has been done before, no? Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance. Sorry, I should given the question more thought before posting. *sigh* V9FS! -vester From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 28 23:12:48 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Sun Nov 28 23:12:48 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCFB0BF4A for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:39:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9816563C79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29212-02-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF3E763C6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=42741 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CYPG5-0001Nk-8t; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:38:33 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:3046 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by smtp1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CYPG4-00034M-7e; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:38:32 +0100 Message-ID: <41A9D4D9.2050300@sitetronics.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:38:33 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vester Thacker , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Connecting Non Plan 9 computers to the Internet via a Plan 9 gateway. References: <32a656c204112722421dbdea32@mail.gmail.com> <32a656c2041128032422968855@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <32a656c2041128032422968855@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Vester Thacker wrote: > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:42:58 +0900, Vester Thacker > wrote: > >>I imagine that this has been done before, no? Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance. > > > Sorry, I should given the question more thought before posting. *sigh* > > V9FS! > > -vester > One thing I'd like to do (and plan to do with Plan 9) is work on packet filters and NAT functionality in Plan 9. I know that NAT is somewhat obsoleted by the ability to share /net, but this will only work on systems that will support V9FS (i.e. not Windows), which might be a problem for general users. I think a lot of the things that aren't available in Plan 9 for other systems comes from a general lack of interest, which I believe comes from the fact that they're not implemented. It ends up being a sort of paradox. ``If you build it, the people will come.'' Whether or not it's useful for everybody, it may be useful for some :). Anyway, yeah, V9FS will probably do what you're thinking :) --Devon From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 01:53:26 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 01:53:26 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C0FA63CA8 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:53:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C7753B5C1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11954-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67AF5B5BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:52:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:52:27 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: russcox@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] kernel - kmapinval? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat Nov 27 20:10:27 EST 2004, russcox@gmail.com wrote: > ... > It is unfortunate that no released architecture source > demonstrates this technique. Should the PC kernels ever get > rewritten to handle larger memories, they'd be a good example. > ... It's likely this will be done in the not too distant future. On a related note, has anyone used the cpu performance counters on the x86 with Plan 9? --jim From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 02:31:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 02:31:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EABA6C6A3B for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:30:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F86263C79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19199-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 099A963A16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B093F24FD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A8D6927; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:30:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:30:07 -0500 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] kernel - kmapinval? Message-ID: <20041128173007.GA63721@mero.morphisms.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 11:52:27AM -0500, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > On a related note, has anyone used the cpu performance counters > on the x86 with Plan 9? Only in the kernel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 11:28:30 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 11:28:30 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1160E63A1A for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:28:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 570883188E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10262-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 623BC31844 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:27:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] usb or lp From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:29:26 +0900 In-Reply-To: <73278964.20041128105445@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-eanwarhnrkvjeppavbxawtrmzz" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-eanwarhnrkvjeppavbxawtrmzz Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I feel somthing is wrong in your usb printer setting... Yes, usb device driver was changed, however, for printers I think there is no difference. I don't know what type of printer of Canon S200, however, do you have correct entry in /sys/lib/lp/devices and neccessary initializer for that printer? >No when I try print something I get only this: >cat: write error copying /tmp/xyz: ken has left the building I think this means you have not binded safely /n/lp to the correct usb printer device. 1) search the /dev/usb tree, and find the strings of '0x020107', which is the usb printer. And then, echo 'ep 3 bulk w 64 32' > /dev/usb3/$i/ctl where ep '3" is the endpoint number of USB printer's data endpoint, and $i stands for the usb device number found. Then, bind /dev/usb3/$i/ep3data /n/lp, and then print the data to /n/lp. Kenji --upas-eanwarhnrkvjeppavbxawtrmzz Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.103.2]) by diabase; Sun Nov 28 17:58:41 JST 2004 Received: from intrepid.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp (intrepid.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.248.13]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3p2+/3.7W-04071317) with ESMTP id RAA01094 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:56:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from washington.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by intrepid.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAS8uhjs021067 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:56:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by washington.gw.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAS8ufAl022568 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:56:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6952DB5C6 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:56:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39BC3AFEB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11455-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCDABAFDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.117.76.3] (port=1036 helo=pc) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CYKqX-0002F1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:55:54 +0300 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:54:45 +0200 From: Sergey Reva X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <73278964.20041128105445@mail.ru> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] usb or lp X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Reva , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, With "latest sources" (about month ago) I can't print on my Canon S200 printer with USB interface. What happened? How fix this? /sys/src/cmd/usb/misc/usbprint have error: for (c in '{seq 16}) where $c used in usb$c, it only generate number from 1 to 16, how about usb0? In my old sources I have usbprint like this: for (c in /dev/usb?[0-9]*) But I don't used this and printer works well. No when I try print something I get only this: cat: write error copying /tmp/xyz: ken has left the building And finally in usbprint all version for printing used ep2data but in my case work only ep1data. With best regards Sergey Reva -- http://rs-rlab.narod.ru mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru --upas-eanwarhnrkvjeppavbxawtrmzz-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 12:01:36 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 12:01:36 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4304C3191C for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:01:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A2D231775 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15928-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E6D131762 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so377937rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:00:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ZaNy1CWVlwKKVMksmeNZhK0aKWQEe/q1zzCmL/bkh2MogTR9trMq0TlK9lFjD1Q3U53/sQUjX9m6A/Qz4pmN3rfdMbU0BksLKbzxeBhgSyIIJHTJLf7XtZT0FIL/A2SxecYQf8bwtmO0qvd3JAeS0JJ5tG53xkkv5Uu3eKgBrgE= Received: by 10.38.77.10 with SMTP id z10mr181223rna; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.65.80 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:00:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:00:45 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] usb or lp In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <73278964.20041128105445@mail.ru> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Russ Cox , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu if the seq is causing problems that using for(c in /dev/usb?[0-9]*) solves, then i would just use the good for loop instead and we can put it back. or at least change it to for(c in /dev/usb^`{seq 0 16}) instead of for(c in /dev/usb/^`{seq 16}) if not having usb0 is really the problem. it's hard to tell what you're saying the problem is. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:29:26 +0900, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > I feel somthing is wrong in your usb printer setting... > Yes, usb device driver was changed, however, for printers > I think there is no difference. > > I don't know what type of printer of Canon S200, however, > do you have correct entry in /sys/lib/lp/devices and neccessary > initializer for that printer? > > >No when I try print something I get only this: > >cat: write error copying /tmp/xyz: ken has left the building > > I think this means you have not binded safely /n/lp to the correct > usb printer device. > > 1) search the /dev/usb tree, and find the strings of '0x020107', > which is the usb printer. And then, > echo 'ep 3 bulk w 64 32' > /dev/usb3/$i/ctl > where ep '3" is the endpoint number of USB printer's data endpoint, > and $i stands for the usb device number found. > Then, bind /dev/usb3/$i/ep3data /n/lp, and then print the data > to /n/lp. > > Kenji > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sergey Reva > To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> > Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:54:45 +0200 > Subject: [9fans] usb or lp > Hello 9fans, > > With "latest sources" (about month ago) I can't print on my Canon S200 printer with USB > interface. What happened? How fix this? > > /sys/src/cmd/usb/misc/usbprint have error: > > for (c in '{seq 16}) > where $c used in usb$c, it only generate number from 1 to 16, how about usb0? > > In my old sources I have usbprint like this: > for (c in /dev/usb?[0-9]*) > But I don't used this and printer works well. > > No when I try print something I get only this: > cat: write error copying /tmp/xyz: ken has left the building > > And finally in usbprint all version for printing used ep2data but in my > case work only ep1data. > > With best regards Sergey Reva > -- > http://rs-rlab.narod.ru mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 13:59:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 13:59:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 888D863D44 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:59:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCA5C63A33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23908-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E294A63A3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28411 invoked by uid 991); 29 Nov 2004 04:58:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20041129045833.28410.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Date: 28 Nov 2004 23:58:33 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] kernel - kmapinval? In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com message dated "Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:52:27 -0500." Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:58:33 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu | On a related note, has anyone used the cpu performance counters | on the x86 with Plan 9? I have. I posted patches a long time ago (3rd edition) to give them #c files and to keep per-process statistics. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 16:19:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 16:19:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 016E063DC2 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:18:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 957D931746 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16647-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5966831744 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:18:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: vester.thacker@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Connecting Non Plan 9 computers to the Internet via a Plan From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:19:50 +0900 In-Reply-To: <32a656c204112722421dbdea32@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I am interested in connecting my daughter's iMac By the way, your daughter uses unix? I've been thinking Unix and girls are living in quite different world. Both worlds are not compatible completely.=E2=98=BA Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 20:26:09 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 20:26:09 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9369EC68B1 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:26:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96D4863B5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00960-01-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F03763B55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041129112528.CISF22418.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:25:28 +0000 Received: from felix.quintile.net ([81.96.207.141]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041129112528.JAHA27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@felix.quintile.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:25:28 +0000 Message-ID: <6afe6de49142591b2859ea64af5e8a55@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:07:58 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pxe - nvram X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I cannot see any way that nvram could be stored when doing a PXE boot (other than on a floppy or disk). This would mean PXE is only really useful for terminals rather than booting a CPU server. Is this correct? On a related note, I thought there was support for USB flash disks, but cannot find any documentation - am I being blind? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 20:43:20 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 20:43:20 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEA2BC6AB3 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:43:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 807DF318BA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22672-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6471031894 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so794670wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:42:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=aqrDF+2VV7FNggkHJYSe6TNGKG39XtKaPB6IkLfmqAN1jRAOYL8/+ZAzXWsWpDy+A6FJxW1MIZl88H1DrQKSnYJ9iCRgf1sh6f91nRQqGkD2OmYHUBxXG3rak4OrLJ6ogUdq4IbKvIBC89iTdwtUADyAsIEY5wyNMyq8Nd8Xz0I= Received: by 10.54.3.16 with SMTP id 16mr455250wrc; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.79 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:42:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604112903426a4a21f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:42:36 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pxe - nvram In-Reply-To: <6afe6de49142591b2859ea64af5e8a55@quintile.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6afe6de49142591b2859ea64af5e8a55@quintile.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:07:58 0000, Steve Simon wrote: > rather than booting a CPU server. > > Is this correct? As I remember correct there are some notes in 9fans archive about using cmos for storing nvram. Maybe CF is usefull to. Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 21:06:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 21:06:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCF1663F50 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:05:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01C1B63B4E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23496-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A64E063B6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:05:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pxe - nvram Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:05:07 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: <88a4775604112903426a4a21f9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I boot terminals and cpu servers via pxe. `nvram' is on disk, though it could easily be on a CF-IDE disk. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 22:24:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 22:24:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13CE263AD1 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:24:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A33EC63ACF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23461-03-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6316C63AC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.117.76.158] (port=1036 helo=pc) by mx1.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CYlVU-000Jqv-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:23:57 +0300 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:21:50 +0200 From: Sergey Reva X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <583088821.20041129152150@mail.ru> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] usb or lp In-Reply-To: References: <73278964.20041128105445@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Reva , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, Monday, November 29, 2004, 4:29:26 AM, Kenji wrote: KO> I don't know what type of printer of Canon S200, however, KO> do you have correct entry in /sys/lib/lp/devices and neccessary KO> initializer for that printer? Here is my /sys/lib/lp/device, it's equal to my old (working) installation: canon - - /dev/usb0/1/ep1data - gs!bjc600+nohead generic nospool - - - - KO> 1) search the /dev/usb tree, and find the strings of '0x020107', KO> which is the usb printer. And then, KO> echo 'ep 3 bulk w 64 32' > /dev/usb3/$i/ctl KO> where ep '3" is the endpoint number of USB printer's data endpoint, KO> and $i stands for the usb device number found. KO> Then, bind /dev/usb3/$i/ep3data /n/lp, and then print the data KO> to /n/lp. Yes, usbprint do the same but this don't work in all version of Plan 9 which I have. In my case writing endpoint is 1, I see it when run usb/usbd -v -d. I have only 2 endpoints. When I try bind (in old or new) I get this: term% bind /dev/usb0/1/ep1data /n/lp bind ep1data /n/lp: inconsistent mount Binding ep2data take same result. Any ideas. Sergey P.S. Yes I know, my English is terrible, try understand me :) -- http://rs-rlab.narod.ru mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 23:03:28 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 23:03:28 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 335DD63C8A for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:03:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84C4163AD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28029-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3203463A09 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so755572wri for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:02:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KuJz+x1rvCQnu89Yt4a9dLfVrAf+XL500Fc68kTaoy0Wkr4sDIu1/rwADbC4tPsrwC0MSqjSVct4I7JHLFIMpJBlZfool4L69zLby0GJoT6aKYhZ0S8iuRuLiPdrhKQo6zZZ3wynuZfudWF9pstCfW+eO7J8y7sUNwB+yVD5pN8= Received: by 10.54.31.35 with SMTP id e35mr667260wre; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.22.57 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:02:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:02:37 -0600 From: Eric Van Hensbergen To: "Ronald G. Minnich" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 Xen VMware X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Van Hensbergen , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:14:46 -0700 (MST), Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > when is the 9bof? > Not sure, there doesn't seem to be a way to register BoF's ahead of time so I guess I'll try to sign up Sunday morning when I register and then post to 9fans for folks not at the conference that might want to show up. OSDI BoF slots should be available Sunday night, Monday night, or Tuesday night. If anyone thinking about going has a preference, please email me and let me know. My preliminary plan for the meeting: o Quick 5 minute intro to what Plan 9 is o State of the system (quick 5 minute where the system is at today) o Talk about Plan 9 and Hypervisors (15 minutes) o Talk about Plan 9 tech-transfer to other operating systems (15 minutes) - cover plan9port package (or maybe Russ will do it for me) - cover v9fs linux support o Tell people about drawterm and tip9ug for people wanting a taste Then pending on who is in attendance, I'd like to have a 15-30 minute "community" discussion about the future. There's been a lot of discussion (at least on #plan9) about mirroring and encouraging community participation in Plan 9 projects. The idea would be to come up with: a) ways to help jmk out as much as possible with ongoing maintenance and development b) a setup allowing global mirrors of the distribution, source repository, wiki, etc Unfortunately, I don't have anything much new to demo at the BoF besides perhaps v9fs. We'll finish up our time slot with Q&A or perhaps just retire to the hotel bar. Anybody wanting anything added to the agenda, please let me know. -eric From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 23:09:16 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 23:09:16 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B65A63C7D for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:09:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F11E363AD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21651-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A391B63AD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so404489rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:08:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OO5ef/kIwt+/01TNtTT/CsrstnZDUfsUOJzPrjngUraXIFkfXR1xXFuoSfBjgFiZtmDhAmDyum2hmmRElKQkJltgilOfvIN7c1wTMGxd8vEIvgfNWeYsEBo/+ymWDsEbk5w5l+pDDV7LIhq/mRDF34FHwWASpy5aUo4OnlaHvZU= Received: by 10.38.150.80 with SMTP id x80mr366981rnd; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.15.47 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:08:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:08:36 +0100 From: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] www.sco.com X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fgergo@gmail.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu If you take a look quickly www.sco.com, you might still get a glimpse on a (hopefully) hacked sco main page. gergo ps: If you don't see anything I'll put up a screenshot to some public place later today. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 23:48:57 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 23:48:57 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 265C463D04 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:48:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91CC263C8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08648-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9fs.org (82-68-131-214.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.68.131.214]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA80463C8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.44.43.80] (helo=[192.168.0.86]) by 9fs.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1CYmop-000NzE-1v; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:47:59 +0000 Message-ID: <41AB369A.90703@9fs.org> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:47:54 +0000 From: Nigel Roles User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fgergo@gmail.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] www.sco.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu fgergo@gmail.com wrote: >If you take a look quickly www.sco.com, you might still get a glimpse >on a (hopefully) hacked sco main page. > > gergo > >ps: If you don't see anything I'll put up a screenshot to some public >place later today. > > > I don't think that'll be necessary. It's getting more press coverage than David Blunkett's love life. See http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/29/sco_hacked/ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Mon Nov 29 23:55:47 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Mon Nov 29 23:55:47 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5CFBB902 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:55:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD7C163D30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08648-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C54B63D2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so419543rne for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:54:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CDVS2llHqLr4lGuqyz2NjYybcZo9thiXt+Bplj4kOd9S2vhwsUmzgAE7+rkG79/RfX3SB0qxPRJhRY+A3fG0D4Vxo9W//Zb4mPL/X3LRhMvT/prAgQfxdeAu1TiTbFWPSKZGl/hJeCNtppo9vkjVnMb4oc5riFuTNJavL8sm//U= Received: by 10.39.2.57 with SMTP id e57mr1408663rni; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([82.152.225.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 64sm18806rna; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:54:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <41AB369A.90703@9fs.org> References: <41AB369A.90703@9fs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9EC68386-4216-11D9-985D-00112430C042@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jim Subject: Re: [9fans] www.sco.com Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:54:50 +0000 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On 29 Nov 2004, at 14:47, Nigel Roles wrote: > fgergo@gmail.com wrote: > >> If you take a look quickly www.sco.com, you might still get a glimpse >> on a (hopefully) hacked sco main page. >> >> gergo >> >> ps: If you don't see anything I'll put up a screenshot to some public >> place later today. >> >> > I don't think that'll be necessary. It's getting more press coverage > than > David Blunkett's love life. > lol. > See > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/29/sco_hacked/ > The site was also defaced last night, by the same attacker: http://www.zone-h.org/defaced/2004/11/29/www.sco.com/redhat/ . cheers, jim From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 00:04:55 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 00:04:55 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42B6863D3C for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:04:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9FF1263D34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08648-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D663263D30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iATF4Rox003644 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:04:27 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iATF4B16025081 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:04:12 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iATF4BtQ015556 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:04:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:04:11 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] kernel - kmapinval? In-Reply-To: <20041129045833.28410.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Message-ID: References: <20041129045833.28410.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, Scott Schwartz wrote: > I have. I posted patches a long time ago (3rd edition) to give them > #c files and to keep per-process statistics. I'll take them if you have them, ... ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 00:12:44 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 00:12:44 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A93216179 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:12:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D90563D39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02859-01-100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.65.95.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25CCA63D66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iATFBrMe004539 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:11:54 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (ccs-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.126]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iATFBc6Q013257 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:11:38 -0700 Received: from linux.site (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id iATFBctQ015795 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:11:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:11:38 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pxe - nvram In-Reply-To: <6afe6de49142591b2859ea64af5e8a55@quintile.net> Message-ID: References: <6afe6de49142591b2859ea64af5e8a55@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, Steve Simon wrote: > I cannot see any way that nvram could be stored > when doing a PXE boot (other than on a floppy or disk). Not sure I get this. What if you really have real nvram and are using it (FLASH or CMOS)? ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 03:14:47 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 03:14:47 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED66063C79 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:14:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5196E63C31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06552-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D751F63C3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041129181350.HFYB14040.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:13:50 +0000 Received: from felix.quintile.net ([81.96.207.141]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041129181350.PRMZ20377.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@felix.quintile.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:13:50 +0000 Message-ID: <44f8762171a1cdd3d41a31d12ba099de@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:13:47 0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pxe - nvram In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I really like PXE boot as it needs no disks of any kind, not even an IDE flash card. I hoped there might be somwhere I could put my auth ID and key so I could boot CPU servers the same way but I cannot see how - I have to use a disk of some sort. I was vaguely hoping somone might know a standardised free area PXE flash on ether cards or maybe know how to hide 64 odd bytes of data in the CMOS nvram on x86 PCs. The only idea I came up with is a allowing secstore to serve up files without a password for given MAC address and auth ID pairs, but then again MACs are no longer fixed-in-the-die in modern cards so I am suspectable to spoofing. Anyway the general answer appears to be "no" for x86 PCs. -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 03:22:00 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 03:22:00 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD38F63D06 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A996F63BEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25973-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B2F763B3C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iATILGpv008612 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from submarine.sfbay.sun.com (submarine.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.78.138]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id iATILFOn018015 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rs76089@localhost) by submarine.sfbay.sun.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id iATILFm01216 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:21:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:21:15 -0800 From: Roman Shaposhnick To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Connecting Non Plan 9 computers to the Internet via a Plan Message-ID: <20041129182115.GD1185@submarine> References: <32a656c204112722421dbdea32@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 04:19:50PM +0900, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > > I am interested in connecting my daughter's iMac > > By the way, your daughter uses unix? > I've been thinking Unix and girls are living in quite different world. > Both worlds are not compatible completely.??? I've always suspected that Mac OS X is "the UNIX for [teenage] girls". Thanks, Roman. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 03:51:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 03:51:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 516FE63C91 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:51:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE7D231EBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14111-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A4D931EC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.117.76.19] (port=1113 helo=pc) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CYqbr-000CJ3-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:50:53 +0300 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:49:52 +0200 From: Sergey Reva X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <19422771343.20041129204952@mail.ru> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pxe - nvram In-Reply-To: <44f8762171a1cdd3d41a31d12ba099de@quintile.net> References: <44f8762171a1cdd3d41a31d12ba099de@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Reva , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello all, Monday, November 29, 2004, 8:13:47 PM, Steve wrote: SS> I really like PXE boot as it needs no disks of any kind, SS> not even an IDE flash card. I hoped there might be somwhere I could SS> put my auth ID and key so I could boot CPU servers the same way SS> but I cannot see how - I have to use a disk of some sort. SS> I was vaguely hoping somone might know a standardised free area SS> PXE flash on ether cards or maybe know how to hide 64 odd bytes SS> of data in the CMOS nvram on x86 PCs. Most of modern chipsets have about 256 (plus CMOS in clock) extra bytes of nonvolatile ram, some part used by BIOS Setup, but some it still free. It need to be checked, I somewhere heard this. SS> The only idea I came up with is a allowing secstore to serve SS> up files without a password for given MAC address and auth ID pairs, SS> but then again MACs are no longer fixed-in-the-die in modern cards SS> so I am suspectable to spoofing. SS> Anyway the general answer appears to be "no" for x86 PCs. How about little external FlashROM (24cXX) on LPT (or COM) port through i2c bus. It's more easy and most standardised. Sergey -- http://rs-rlab.narod.ru mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 05:03:07 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 05:03:07 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 548233186A for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:03:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09AE531892 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20848-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD1463186A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so1149027wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:02:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TJvvuCqrbwdMWREjMGOyF/j6io66Bep14xj22z50drwIQKsDFhUW/1p5wfDtn9Wz9ur2VGNO+sD/t0z1POFCqq/a2nm+JyDJ0qPi5P+4cAM4w7rrFNdj8kbtrM7srn7PX2tyFyYykwWoS1cYk6SYQnNA9skGHLFuIiFo1pUBrsQ= Received: by 10.54.30.58 with SMTP id d58mr536848wrd; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.1 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:02:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c06204112912027e6fe07d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:02:14 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Connecting Non Plan 9 computers to the Internet via a Plan In-Reply-To: <20041129182115.GD1185@submarine> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <32a656c204112722421dbdea32@mail.gmail.com> <20041129182115.GD1185@submarine> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:21:15 -0800, Roman Shaposhnick wrote: > I've always suspected that Mac OS X is "the UNIX for [teenage] girls". CHIX. Soon to be trademarked. :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 05:22:45 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 05:22:45 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D535F639A5 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:22:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57D1631EB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11687-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D45D531EB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so1154458wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:22:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dqMR+jUADYaXVJKWPv1VheIzLFy++XmFZNkcTFa8dI0K5tBquYvejBq6IWqR2GGOZfiVuTYEAGRTEtQM+FNXHs9WHRTcMesbjefu3o5EBea6PO+S7ejTzSa5J9kbOdUvlRKY+N9kUjQcyn7YzksfJfbIXl9iEjZQ3V204+7VKao= Received: by 10.54.18.6 with SMTP id 6mr132249wrr; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.51.1 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:21:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e35c062041129122170cedf5e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:21:58 -0800 From: Jack Johnson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 In-Reply-To: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41A60BD8.7070409@sitetronics.com> <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Johnson , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:13:26 0000, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > life would have been much easier if i had been able to figure > a way of invoking 16-bit BIOS calls from 32-bit real mode, > but i failed. anyone know how? other systems seem to manage it. You might want to check out Bluebottle: http://bluebottle.ethz.ch/ The VESA support seems to be rock-solid, though I haven't dug through the drivers to see how it's implemented. I recommend downloading the ISO and booting it live to peek through the sources. Though the UI will take a little getting used to, the Oberon code should be easily read by anyone even semi-familiar with Limbo, Java, Modula or Pascal. Speed seems to be more dependent on the video card's implementation than anything (Nvidia seems to have especially fast VESA support). I thought earlier grumbles about VESA support were about hardware vs. software cursors and some related gymnastics? -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 09:31:36 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 09:31:36 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6803863F84 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:31:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B386931E85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14278-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56DEE31EA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.107] (really [66.183.189.46]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041130003007.SSHL4092.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@[192.168.0.107]> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:30:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Paul Lalonde Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:30:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] VGA Woes X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've had a chance to try to find out more of what's wrong with my gForce4 MX. Last week I somehow killed my video configuration, and have been unable to bring it back to life. I can now barely run in 640x480 (the screen is displaced 4 pixels left, and the cursor is stuck in the upper right, although pointing with the mouse is fine). I've even gone as far as rebuilding the system from the same install disk as I had originally used, I've since done a pull, hoping it would be fixed, but with no luck, although I now have at least a current code base. Can a VGA-knowledgeable person make sense of this aux/vga -p dump and point me down a useful path? Thanks, Paul vga->attr: vid=0x10DE vga->attr: did=* vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt 5F 4F 4F 83 53 9F 0B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 EB 2D DF 50 00 DF 0C A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 01 00 0F 00 00 vga virtual 0 0 vga panning off vga vmz 16777216 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 nvidia dclk m n p 25182692 13 - 97 3 nvidia CrystalFreq 27000000 Hz nvidia arch 10 nvidia repaint0 0 nvidia repaint1 2c nvidia screen 10 nvidia pixel 1 nvidia horiz 0 nvidia cursor0 ff nvidia cursor1 41 nvidia cursor2 0 nvidia interlace ff nvidia extra 0 nvidia crtcowner 7 nvidia vpll 3610d nvidia vpllB 0 nvidia vpll2 4a40b nvidia vpll2B 0 nvidia pllsel 10000700 nvidia general 100 nvidia scale 11000011 nvidia config 0 nvidia head 1000 nvidia head2 30311 nvidia cursorconfig 2000101 nvidia dither f0000 nvidia islcd 0 nvidia twoheads 1 nvidia twostagepll 0 nvidia crtcnumber 0 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 09:55:08 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 09:55:08 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFA1863E39 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:55:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5164D63D54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23538-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0897963D4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:54:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: rs_rlab@mail.ru, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] usb or lp From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:56:13 +0900 In-Reply-To: <583088821.20041129152150@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > In my case writing endpoint is 1, I see it when run usb/usbd -v -d. > I have only 2 endpoints. When I try bind (in old or new) I get this: >=20 > term% bind /dev/usb0/1/ep1data /n/lp > bind ep1data /n/lp: inconsistent mount After echo -n 'ep 1 bulk w 64 32' >/dev/usb0/1/ctl ? > Binding ep2data take same result. >=20 > Any ideas. No, sorry. In my HP psc2550, working version is as follows: term% cd /dev/usb3 term% ls -l d-r-xr-xr-x M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 0 d-r-xr-xr-x M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1 --rw-rw-rw- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 new --rw-rw-rw- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 port term% ls -l 1 --rw-rw-rw- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/ctl --r--r--r-- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/ep1data --r--r--r-- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/ep2data ---w--w--w- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/ep3data --r--r--r-- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/ep4data --r--r--r-- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/ep5data --r--r--r-- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/ep7data --r--r--r-- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/ep8data --rw-rw-rw- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/setup --r--r--r-- M 37 diorite diorite 0 Nov 1 13:50 1/status term% cd 1 term% cat status Enabled 0x00ccff 0 0x00ccff 170 bytes 26 blocks 1 0x00ccff 0 bytes 0 blocks 2 0x00ccff 0 bytes 0 blocks 3 0x020107 0 bytes 0 blocks 4 0x020107 0 bytes 0 blocks 5 0x500608 0 bytes 0 blocks 7 0x00d4ff 0 bytes 0 blocks 8 0x00d4ff 0 bytes 0 blocks term%=20 In this case the above 3 0x020107 is for data output endpoint. I hope this may help you... > Yes I know, my English is terrible, try understand me :) Add me, too. Thanks for your help to my understanding of WinXP world. I felt it's the world for money though.=E2=98=BA Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 11:07:11 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 11:07:11 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D4A763AF2 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:07:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 166D9639FD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06526-02-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A8AD63A14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:06:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7d780facce93ec38b961ec8558989412@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pxe - nvram From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:08:07 +0900 In-Reply-To: <6afe6de49142591b2859ea64af5e8a55@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > On a related note, I thought there was support for USB > flash disks, but cannot find any documentation - am I > being blind? Well, Richard may be out of the world now. After revision of usbd, it doesn't work anymore. Additionally, I think it is a personal and experimental version of USB storage for Plan 9 by Richard. It also has a problem of being very slow to transfer data. Those are, probably, the reason why Richard does not make it public yet (Just my guess). Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 16:58:46 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 16:58:46 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9A01D63E02 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:58:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C4F4E62CD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11266-02-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (xtc.collyer.net [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 828F962A47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:58:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <286ea827434f4d0db748bfacf74715d9@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pxe - nvram Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:58:06 -0800 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: <44f8762171a1cdd3d41a31d12ba099de@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I couldn't find any free NVRAM in a stock PC when I last looked. The PC started out short of resources (e.g., 8 then 15 IRQs) and some of those limitations are still with us. Apparently nobody in a position to fix it (e.g., Microsoft and Intel) thinks that having a chunk of unallocated NVRAM would be useful enough to make it standard. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 18:17:15 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 18:17:15 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 870F363E27 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:16:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91A066307 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02282-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DE676AF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:15:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <505cb253b37aa9dffb87951a7f2783e1@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:14:56 0000 In-Reply-To: <7d780facce93ec38b961ec8558989412@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] usb storage (was Re: pxe - nvram) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Well, Richard may be out of the world now. Not quite! Just very busy. > After revision of usbd, it doesn't work anymore. True. Usbd has stopped doing some of the initialisation that the usb storage driver (and perhaps also usb printing?) depended on. I need to do a bit more work to recover from this. But you should still be able to use the previous usbd - you'll probably find it in /bin/usb/_usbd, or you can fetch it from /n/sourcesdump/1106/plan9/386/bin/usb/usbd. > Additionally, I think it is a personal and experimental version of > USB storage for Plan 9 by Richard. It also has a problem of being > very slow to transfer data. Those are, probably, the reason why > Richard does not make it public yet (Just my guess). Not personal (I've sent copies to everyone who asks) but still experimental. The slow transfers are because the usbuhci driver in the kernel does only one read/write per polling cycle. It should be able to chain blocks together, but I have not been able to get this to work yet. -- Richard From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 19:40:40 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 19:40:40 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B05B863E32 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:40:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DB5D63620 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09620-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 237B362E15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=36169 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CZ5QS-0005Gs-2H for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:40:04 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:3274 helo=[192.168.2.100]) by smtp4.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CZ5QQ-0006NZ-J9 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:40:02 +0100 Message-ID: <41AC4E03.7010004@sitetronics.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:40:03 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 References: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> In-Reply-To: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu rog@vitanuova.com wrote: >>I got some tips to look in Inferno code, since Roger Peppe had >>implemented a VESA driver there. After looking through the Inferno >>source, it appears that any VESA code has been left out of the public >>source. > > [snip] > life would have been much easier if i had been able to figure > a way of invoking 16-bit BIOS calls from 32-bit real mode, > but i failed. anyone know how? other systems seem to manage it. > > my memory is very rusty, but email me if you want help figuring > out my crappy code! > > cheers, > rog. Well, I must admit, I'm not the best assembly developer out there. I've been taking a look at how DragonFly BSD [1] and NetBSD [2] are doing it [executing real mode code under protected mode], and I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how it works. If somebody with more assembler experience might be able to help me go through this code to understand what's happening, or would be able to work on implementing it with me, this would be highly appreciated. Specifically, I can follow the flow of the code (I'm not completely hopeless ;)), but I don't understand why certain values and registers are used in their context. When this is done, implementing the VBE 1.2/2.0/3.0 functions will be quite a snap. So, anybody who can give me a hand, I invite you to please do so! I'm pretty easy to contact for live discussion on most chat media; see http://www.the-bofh.org/contact.html for a pretty comprehensive list. Of course, email works too :). Don't be shy! Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell [1] http://dragonfly.the-bofh.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/i386/i386/vm86bios.s?rev=1.12&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup [2] http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/arch/i386/i386/kvm86call.S?rev=1.4&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 20:09:27 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 20:09:27 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A04D63E22 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:09:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1ACDF63E22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14173-02-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D032563E15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iAUB8f63015912 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:08:42 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:08:40 +0200 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 References: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> <41AC4E03.7010004@sitetronics.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:08:40 +0200 From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <41AC4E03.7010004@sitetronics.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2004 11:08:40.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2E36DC0:01C4D6CC] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Well, I must admit, I'm not the best assembly developer out there. I've= =20 > been taking a look at how DragonFly BSD [1] and NetBSD [2] are doing it= =20 > [executing real mode code under protected mode], and I'm having a bit o= f =20 > trouble understanding how it works. Why bother. My bet would be on SciTech's SNAP; they recently released it under some GPL. I've been playing with it and it seems nice enough to warrant some poking around. Alas, I don't have the time right now. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 20:22:24 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 20:22:24 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E3F463E19 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 667DE63A14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14173-02-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2989B63A12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=45208 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CZ64q-0001wA-Df for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:21:48 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:3425 helo=[192.168.2.100]) by smtp3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CZ64p-00045M-3F for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:21:47 +0100 Message-ID: <41AC57CC.2020505@sitetronics.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:21:48 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 References: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> <41AC4E03.7010004@sitetronics.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Tiit Lankots wrote: >> Well, I must admit, I'm not the best assembly developer out there. >> I've been taking a look at how DragonFly BSD [1] and NetBSD [2] are >> doing it [executing real mode code under protected mode], and I'm >> having a bit of trouble understanding how it works. > > > Why bother. My bet would be on SciTech's SNAP; they recently released it > under some GPL. I've been playing with it and it seems nice enough > to warrant some poking around. Alas, I don't have the time right now. Because VBE will work on all the cards that have been manufactured in the last 8 years and SNAP won't. --Devon From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 20:29:17 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 20:29:17 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F330CB1E0 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:28:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B7DF63DED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14173-02-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA21963DE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id iAUBSGqV016167 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:28:17 +0200 Received: from tiitl.aprote.com ([192.168.1.32]) by black.aprote.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:28:16 +0200 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 References: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> <41AC4E03.7010004@sitetronics.com> <41AC57CC.2020505@sitetronics.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:28:15 +0200 From: "Tiit Lankots" Organization: Aprote Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <41AC57CC.2020505@sitetronics.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2004 11:28:16.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF47D030:01C4D6CF] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Because VBE will work on all the cards that have been manufactured in =20 > the last 8 years and SNAP won't. Dream on. You seriously think that every backalley bastard card implement= s VBE? SNAP has the best coverage i've seen so far, and it's very compact a= t it + has been thoroughly tested. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 20:38:22 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 20:38:22 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2B8963E70 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:38:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B21563E16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14173-02-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B89E63DF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=60086 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CZ6KH-0007KH-2I for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:37:45 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:3498 helo=[192.168.2.100]) by smtp2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CZ6KF-0004t7-RH for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:37:43 +0100 Message-ID: <41AC5B89.6020802@sitetronics.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:37:45 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 References: <74f32320e9b5042e0d79f57b4c38aeca@vitanuova.com> <41AC4E03.7010004@sitetronics.com> <41AC57CC.2020505@sitetronics.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Tiit Lankots wrote: >> Because VBE will work on all the cards that have been manufactured in >> the last 8 years and SNAP won't. > > > Dream on. You seriously think that every backalley bastard card implements > VBE? SNAP has the best coverage i've seen so far, and it's very compact at > it + has been thoroughly tested. No, I'm aware that not all of them do. But perhaps you should take your hostility somewhere else, because I'm certainly not finding it helpful. I've gotten a good bit of positive response when I started this thread, from both users and developers. If you want to do SNAP for Plan 9, by all means do so. I'm not stopping you. I'm also not interested in porting it over. I'm asking for help implementing real mode trap code to do in-kernel execution-time 16-bit calls and if you're not interested in that, please just don't contribute to the thread. If you'd like to lambast me, please do it privately. Thanks, Devon From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 21:16:26 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 21:16:26 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB31663EDF for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:16:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E22A863E3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00279-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6542A63E6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so819870wra for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:15:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mIslP+9pCxd7KmugXXBkXVRk1Lw/l+7sqv4YYH3fvKwAXzXkHKLJ0N0RDMd3haJ5fB2ilMDvVf3ReegfTDHhWQCLTNuDc2ZZgfh6vJzJ/JYcrK04WZ4Kz/g8bA7jPny924vlvviZl/sQvroX/RHW/fjfDq/DC2gtVMr2p3zCfg8= Received: by 10.54.21.20 with SMTP id 20mr41743wru; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.79 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:15:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88a4775604113004155f936272@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:15:40 +0100 From: Matthias Teege To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 9fans@21c3 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Teege , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The 21st Chaos Communication Congress (21C3) is a three-day conference about technology, society and utopia. The Congress offers lectures and workshops on multitude of topics, including (but not limited to) information technology, IT-security, internet, cryptography and generally a critical-creative attitude towards technology and the discussion about the effects of technological advances on society. The Chaos Communication Congress is the annual congress of the Chaos Computer Club e.V. (CCC). The Congress has established itself as the "European Hacker Conference" bringing in people from all over Europe and even further away. The congress not only addresses the techno geek but also those who are interested in appliances and aftermathes. A part of the lectures will be held in English, the rest in German. The language used for each lecture is clearly marked in the conference program." This congress will take place between 27th and 29th dec 2004 in Berlin Congress Center, Germany. For all 9fans this could be a great opportunity to present Plan9 to an interested audience, have discussions and small talk with like-minded people and get feedback too. We are planning to build a Plan9 network in order to demonstrate the Plan9 idea and its opportunities. Furthermore related projects (Inferno, v9fs or plan9ports) shall be introduced. We will try to show the idea of Plan9 in all its fantastic bandwidth. That means, if someone has an interesting project in mind or is able to make resources available, we will be very grateful for an information about this. It would be cool, if we can mount a tv card from Japan and watch Japanese TV in Berlin. Feel free to send me your comments, ideas and code. You can send me an email or use the 21c3-9fans-Projektpage on (https://21c3.ccc.de/wiki/index.php/9fans). We also looking for some merchandising ideas, posters and products of plan9. The performance we are talking about depends on the space we will gain in the hackcentre - or not. The decision about this will be definitely on 16.12.2004. If you are thinking about visiting the 21C3 in Berlin, please drop me a note. The hackcenter space is limited, that means, it will become closely there, I must organize some more seats. If, contrary to expectations, we don`t get enough space in the hackcentre, we will organize a BOF talk. Hope to see you in twente and/or in Berlin. Matthias From cse.psu.edu!9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Tue Nov 30 21:45:31 JST 2004 remote from ar Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by ar; Tue Nov 30 21:45:31 JST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17DA863F31 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:45:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9AEE63E7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00279-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [213.146.155.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5408C63E7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:44:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <06363cbeb3585bb77c6304de31b0478b@vitanuova.com> To: knapjack@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] VBE 1.2/2.0+ functions for Plan9 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:51:07 0000 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <6e35c062041129122170cedf5e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=ar.aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I thought earlier grumbles about VESA support were about hardware vs. > software cursors and some related gymnastics? yes, i'd forgotten about this. when i did the VESA support for inferno, it had software cursor support. it might be quite a pain to put it back into plan 9.