>From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 7 16:40:38 1994 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46077>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:23:12 -0400 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46065>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:22:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Computer Science and Engineering, Penn State University From: ehrlich To: plan9-fans Subject: Democracy in action Versions: dmail 1.8z+/makemail 2.2a Message-Id: <94Jul7.162256edt.46065@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:22:44 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans In moving this mailing list to Majordomo it has been discovered that there is no easy way to have this list go by two names. Currently mail to 9fans@cse.psu.edu and plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu end up going to the same place. As soon as someone subscribes or unsubscribes by sending mail to 9fans-request things will diverge. So, let's have a vote. What name would the people on this list prefer? 1) plan9-fans 2) 9fans 3) Something else Please send your vote to me directly. Thanks, Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering "Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster 2.6 fingerprint = 5C 01 7F 57 B0 AB 68 72 04 23 B9 BD 27 AD 85 60 echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 7 17:07:02 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296137>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:47:46 -0400 Received: from dealer.cards.com ([192.133.70.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296145>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:47:16 -0400 Received: from monte (monte.cards.com) by dealer.cards.com (4.1/mls/3.2) id AA11811; Thu, 7 Jul 94 16:46:17 EDT Message-Id: <9407072046.AA11811@dealer.cards.com> Received: by monte (4.1/mls/3.2) id AA02780; Thu, 7 Jul 94 16:46:17 EDT From: carvell@cards.com Subject: Re: Democracy in action To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 12:46:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <94Jul7.162256edt.46065@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "ehrlich@cse.psu.edu" at Jul 7, 94 04:22:44 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 442 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > ... > > So, let's have a vote. What name would the people on this list prefer? > > 1) plan9-fans > 2) 9fans > 3) Something else > > Please send your vote to me directly. > > Thanks, > Dan Ehrlich Here's my vote... 1st choice: plan9 2nd choice: plan9-fans As long as it is easy to remember, it is fine with me! -- Gary Carvell Galaxy Global Corporation Mail: carvell@cards.com Voice: 304-367-8249 Fax: 304-367-8223 >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 7 17:24:53 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296144>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:17:35 -0400 Received: from point.cs.uwm.edu ([129.89.2.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296160>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:14:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (scottk@localhost) by point.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA05218 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:08:43 -0500 From: Scott Knaffla Message-Id: <199407072108.QAA05218@point.cs.uwm.edu> Subject: Re: Democracy in action To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:08:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <94Jul7.162256edt.46065@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "ehrlich@cse.psu.edu" at Jul 7, 94 04:22:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 200 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans ehrlich@cse.psu.edu, in reply to your mail message ... -> So, let's have a vote. What name would the people on this list prefer? -> 1) plan9-fans -> 2) 9fans -> 3) Something else 1. - Scott >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 7 18:20:04 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296268>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:07:08 -0400 Received: from sphinx.nmt.edu ([129.138.6.92]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296241>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:04:26 -0400 Received: (from cort@localhost) by sphinx.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id PAA07617 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 15:59:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199407072159.PAA07617@sphinx.nmt.edu> From: cort@cs.nmt.edu (Cort) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:59:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: ehrlich@cse.psu.edu "Democracy in action" (Jul 7, 16:22) X-Greeting: Howdy X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: Democracy in action Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans 9fans >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 7 18:52:22 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296271>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:42:05 -0400 Received: from brutus.ee.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.13.39]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296274>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:36:17 -0400 Received: from wildman.ee.su.OZ.AU.su.oz.au (wildman.ee.su.OZ.AU) by brutus.ee.su.OZ.AU (5.65c/1.34) id AA12211; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 08:32:25 +1000 Received: by wildman.ee.su.OZ.AU.su.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03077; Fri, 8 Jul 94 08:31:36 EST From: Noel Hunt Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:30:46 -0400 To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: Democracy in action In-Reply-To: <94Jul7.162256edt.46065@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu: Message-Id: <199407080830.3067.out.bafem@ee.su.oz.au> ^-Extraneous program text Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Message-Id: <94Jul7.184205edt.296271@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> So, let's have a vote. What name would the people on this list prefer? 1) plan9-fans 2) 9fans 3) Something else 1 is fine. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 7 19:20:15 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296302>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:07:04 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296273>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:53:02 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from gary for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Fri, 08 Jul 1994 08:35:24 +1000 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:34:07 -0400 From: gary@staff.cs.su.oz.au (Gary Capell) Subject: STOP voting to the list godDAMNit! To: 9fans Message-Id: <94Jul7.185302edt.296273@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans send your votes to ehrlich@cse.psu.edu Thank you. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 8 00:25:23 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296596>; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:15:02 -0400 Received: from cfdhp5.cances.unsw.EDU.AU ([149.171.229.105]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296598>; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:08:39 -0400 Received: by cfdhp5.cances.unsw.EDU.AU (1.38.193.3/16.2) id AA08512; Fri, 8 Jul 94 14:01:07 +1000 From: Steve Simon Subject: Vote: 1 for plan9-fans To: plan9-fans Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:01:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <94Jul7.162256edt.46065@colossus.cse.psu.edu>; from "ehrlich@cse.psu.edu" at Jul 7, 94 4:22 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Message-Id: <94Jul8.000839edt.296598@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Vote: 1 for plan9-fans -- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Human: Steve Simon - System manager Email: S.Simon@unsw.EDU.AU Tel: +61 (2) 385 5930 Fax: +61 (2) 663 1222 GPO: CANCES, Mech Eng building, UNSW, Po Box 5052, Sydney, Australia >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 11 02:31:31 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294057>; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 02:17:56 -0400 Received: from mailgw.claircom.com ([199.5.241.51]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294055>; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 02:17:37 -0400 Received: from nimo.claircom.com by mailgw.claircom.com with smtp (Smail3.1.26.7 #2) id m0qNEgB-0004u6C; Sun, 10 Jul 94 23:17 PDT Received: by nimo.claircom.com (Smail3.1.26.7 #2) id m0qNEgA-0005VWC; Sun, 10 Jul 94 23:17 PDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 02:17:00 -0400 From: fst@claircom.com (Fariborz Skip Tavakkolian) To: plan9-fans CC: plan9-fans In-reply-to: <94Jul7.162256edt.46065@colossus.cse.psu.edu> (ehrlich@cse.psu.edu) Subject: Re: Democracy in action Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans 9fans Thanks >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 13 05:37:48 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292281>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 05:17:54 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292277>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 05:17:30 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189450>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 11:16:51 +0200 Received: from verdi.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16861; Wed, 13 Jul 94 11:16:37 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 05:16:37 -0400 From: bischof@verdi.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9407130916.AA16861@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: plan9-fans Subject: Please ignore this mail Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Thanks. -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 13 10:22:27 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294733>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 10:08:02 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294643>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 10:07:42 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189447>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 16:03:44 +0200 Received: from frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18120; Wed, 13 Jul 94 16:03:35 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 10:03:35 -0400 From: bischof@frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9407131403.AA18120@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: plan9-fans Subject: mail Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi, My problem: a sparc runs with 9ss login as bischof mail bischof (a user) produce: Jul 13 15 ...: bischof: upas/sendmail: error bischof From bischof ... error+ Mail to `bischof' from `bischof' failed error+ The error message was: error+ Invalid address Thanks for your HELP. -Hans-Peter >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 18 09:01:32 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292668>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:48:35 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292665>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:48:12 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from gary for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 22:47:38 +1000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:46:27 -0400 From: gary@staff.cs.su.oz.au (Gary Capell) Subject: Is there a WWW page introducing Plan 9? To: 9fans Message-Id: <94Jul18.084812edt.292665@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I'd like to add a link to it to my home page, and I guess to our departmental home page. I might even write my own if I have to. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 18 09:50:56 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292709>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 09:39:39 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292697>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 09:34:53 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <11074>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 09:27:34 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: Is there a WWW page introducing Plan 9? Message-Id: <94Jul18.092734edt.11074@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 09:27:23 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I don't know of any. I was hoping to setup a server, but haven't gotten around to it yet. If people can wait a month or so, you can leave it to me. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 18 14:07:38 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293155>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 13:43:49 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293077>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 13:32:37 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from gary for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:18:28 +1000 To: plan9-fans Message-ID: <19940719031751.3448.frobozz@staff.cs.su.oz.au> In-Reply-To: <94Jul18.092734edt.11074@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> From: Gary Capell X-Face: '7a+Z19brwH&7TA[;3)0y}z["hMC~jl8y!4>Fq\DF]$Z"#bRE~W0I#}) (zQU&L0}6VSkX'[WAE3:[/?H\t+@LbJ(Xor",&-tq6{)|^j6u"^PCf}u a_?^1)[{p$I?qS:TU6{H"7;LvV~V}O8>WvFsd^'LM&"MsldWT +;)cYA'Q4 Subject: Re: Is there a WWW page introducing Plan 9? Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 13:18:34 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Leaving it to Steve sounds fine to me, it's not so urgent I can't wait a month or so, it would just be nice. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Aug 2 10:58:19 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291826>; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 10:41:48 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291824>; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 10:41:04 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189523>; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:40:14 +0200 Received: from frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19563; Tue, 2 Aug 94 16:40:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 10:40:08 -0400 From: bischof@frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9408021440.AA19563@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: 9fans Subject: mk & :<: Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi, exists a an example for the use of the attribute <. -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Aug 2 16:21:01 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295500>; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:01:19 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295511>; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:00:34 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <1824>; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 15:59:09 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: mk & :<: Cc: bischof@frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Message-Id: <94Aug2.155909edt.1824@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 15:58:55 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hans-Peter Bischof wrote: > exists a an example for the use of the attribute <. By anonymous ftp, grab research.att.com:/dist/plan9man/06mkfiles.ps.Z It shows you what you want. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Aug 3 00:33:47 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295350>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 00:14:18 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294615>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 00:13:24 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <4278>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 00:12:23 -0400 Subject: short survey of Plan 9 sites From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 19:12:13 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <94Aug3.001223edt.4278@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I've started working on a Plan 9 installation guide that will try to cover common difficulties and give some useful tips. To make sure it is useful for a broad audience, could the Plan 9 sites on this list please fill out the following short survey and return it to me. I'll summarize the replies I get. Hardware. Plan 9 terminals: Plan 9 cpu servers: Plan 9 file servers: Unix u9fs file servers: Other details: (eg. disk space, worm disk, etc.) Number of active users: Installation difficulties: Installation tips: For example, here are my own answers: Hardware. Plan 9 terminals: 1 MIPS Magnum 3000, with colour monitor Plan 9 cpu servers: 1 MIPS Magnum 3000 Plan 9 file servers: 0 (tried to use Magnum, but got disk errors) Unix u9fs file servers: 1 SGI Indy Other details: 400Meg disk Number of active users: 1 (me) now, 10-20 anticipated Installation difficulties: mostly due to Unix-based fileserver quirks Installation tips: use tcpd to protect access to u9fs daemon >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Aug 3 03:37:36 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292783>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:26:30 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292749>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:25:56 -0400 Received: from frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29300; Wed, 3 Aug 94 09:25:41 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:25:41 -0400 From: bischof@frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9408030725.AA29300@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Subject: Re: short survey of Plan 9 sites Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hardware. Plan 9 terminals: Sparc ELC, 386 Plan 9 cpu servers: 0 Plan 9 file servers: Sparc 2 Unix u9fs file servers: Sparc ELC Other details: (eg. disk space, worm disk, etc.) Nothing Number of active users: 2 Installation difficulties: we don't use a cpu server --> no passwd Installation tips: start with u9fs and a terminal read the plan9 mailing list -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Aug 11 06:51:02 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292481>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 06:44:22 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292058>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 06:11:05 -0400 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189499>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:09:55 +0200 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189487>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:04:17 +0200 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189510>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:58:42 +0200 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189509>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:53:00 +0200 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189498>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:47:24 +0200 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189509>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:41:48 +0200 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189499>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:35:55 +0200 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189453>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:30:19 +0200 Received: from verdi.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19781; Thu, 11 Aug 94 11:28:19 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 05:28:19 -0400 From: bischof@verdi.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9408110928.AA19781@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: 9fans Subject: $CC <---> $ALEF Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi, i wan't to mix an alef source and a C source like this. $ALEF -w -c alef_src.l --> alef_src.$O $CC -w cc_src.c --> cc_src.$O $LD -o target alef_src.$O cc_src.$O This failed, because some declarations in alef.h and /sys/include/*h mismatch. An example: grep realloc alef.h void *realloc(void*, uint); grep realloc *h libc.h extern void* realloc(void*, long); and uint is not a long. Question: Exist an alef implementation without these problems? Thanks for your help. -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Aug 11 08:54:01 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294490>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:47:15 -0400 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292748>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:46:51 -0400 From: philw@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:45:54 -0400 Subject: re: $CC <---> $ALEF Message-Id: <94Aug11.084651edt.292748@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans ALEF uses a different calling convention from C. You cannot mix languages. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Aug 12 03:15:21 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292019>; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 03:05:15 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291990>; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 03:04:52 -0400 Received: from frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29082; Fri, 12 Aug 94 09:04:31 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 03:04:31 -0400 From: bischof@frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9408120704.AA29082@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Subject: re: $CC <---> $ALEF Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Dear Sir, thanks for your answer. Hans-Peter Bischof >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Aug 24 13:00:07 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294186>; Wed, 24 Aug 1994 12:05:22 -0400 Received: from algol.cs.umbc.edu ([130.85.100.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294195>; Wed, 24 Aug 1994 12:04:17 -0400 Received: from topdog.cs.umbc.edu by algol.cs.umbc.edu with SMTP id AA27013 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Wed, 24 Aug 1994 12:00:35 -0400 Received: by topdog.cs.umbc.edu id AA02130 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu); Wed, 24 Aug 1994 12:00:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 12:00:31 -0400 From: Vijay Gill Message-Id: <199408241600.AA02130@topdog.cs.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.misc To: <9fans> Subject: Re: Plan 9 group References: Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Apparently-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans In article , Amos Shapir wrote: > >Is there a newsgroup/mailing list for plan 9? Does anyone actually >uses it outside AT&T research? There is a mailing list for plan-9 people. Doesn't seem to be very active. Several people are using plan 9 outside of the research groups, including yours truly. Some other sites are run by forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk, and Gary Capell (gary@cs.su.OZ.AU). As for the current status, I have no clue as to whats going on. The only people who would know are the @plan9.att.com crowd, and they seem mum. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Aug 25 08:58:43 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292749>; Thu, 25 Aug 1994 08:50:16 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292745>; Thu, 25 Aug 1994 08:49:50 -0400 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189585>; Thu, 25 Aug 1994 14:49:20 +0200 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189597>; Thu, 25 Aug 1994 14:31:05 +0200 Received: from frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29739; Thu, 25 Aug 94 14:04:36 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 08:04:36 -0400 From: bischof@frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9408251204.AA29739@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: 9fans Subject: Alef & par Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Dear Plan 9 fan, I have some trouble with alef's par control statement. Everything works fine with two statements in the par block. The program core dumpes, if there are more statements in the par block. Can you help me? Hans-Peter ----------------------------------------------- The source code, an example for a execution of the program, some 'ps | grep par_test' lines, and some debugger information follows. The source: -------------------- /* par_test.l */ #include void main(void) { int index; print("pid = %d\n", getpid()); for ( index = 0; index < 200; index ++ ) { par { print("@"); print("#"); print("X"); } } } Execution: -------------------- term% file p*t par_test: sparc plan 9 executable term% par_test pid = 1899 @par_test 1901: suicide: sys: trap: fault write addr=0xfffffff8 pc=0x10f0 X Where is prozess with the pid 1900? Ps info: -------------------- term% ps -aux | grep par_test none 1899 1:10 0:00 76K Ready par_test # cpu none 1901 0:00 0:00 76K Broken par_test term% ps -aux | grep par_test none 1899 1:18 0:00 76K Ready par_test # time grows none 1901 0:00 0:00 76K Broken par_test Debugger: -------------------- term% db 1901 sparc binary last exception: data access exception par_2.l:12 main+#d0? MOVW R10, #4(R8) $c main() /sys/include/alef/alef.h:250 called from ALEF_linksp+#10 alefasm.s:12 ALEF_linksp() alefasm.s:6 called from ALEF_pfork+#54 alef.l:2 ALEF_pfork(n=#0, stack=#0) alef.l:796 called from #fffffff8 1 Thanks for reading und thinking. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Aug 27 13:55:37 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295089>; Sat, 27 Aug 1994 13:50:49 -0400 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295088>; Sat, 27 Aug 1994 13:50:32 -0400 From: philw@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 13:45:30 -0400 Subject: re: Alef & par Message-Id: <94Aug27.135032edt.295088@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I have not been able to reproduce this error. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Aug 31 17:42:05 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294006>; Wed, 31 Aug 1994 17:26:02 -0400 Received: from magnum.cooper.edu ([199.98.16.4]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293855>; Wed, 31 Aug 1994 16:55:44 -0400 Received: by magnum.cooper.edu with UUCP id AA15245 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu); Wed, 31 Aug 1994 16:34:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 16:34:17 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199408312034.AA15245@magnum.cooper.edu> To: plan9-fans Subject: plan9 Mail archives on WWW Content-Length: 272 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Wed Aug 31 16:21:55 EDT 1994 The plan9 mailing list archives (93-94) may be accessed on WWW at URL http://cooper.edu/~rp/plan9/index.html This sorted/cross-referenced list was generated by hypermail. My home page (/~rp) is still under construction. Enjoy. R.Primus >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Aug 31 20:27:25 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295904>; Wed, 31 Aug 1994 20:17:14 -0400 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu ([128.120.1.250]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295911>; Wed, 31 Aug 1994 19:06:14 -0400 Received: from turing.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (8.6.9/UCD2.50) id PAA09264; Wed, 31 Aug 1994 15:32:34 -0700 Received: by turing.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.04) id AA26540; Wed, 31 Aug 94 15:32:34 PDT From: broadley@turing.ucdavis.edu (Bill Broadley) Message-Id: <9408312232.AA26540@turing.ucdavis.edu> Subject: Re: plan9 Mail archives on WWW To: plan9-fans Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 18:32:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <199408312034.AA15245@magnum.cooper.edu> from "rp@magnum.cooper.edu" at Aug 31, 94 04:34:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 489 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > > Wed Aug 31 16:21:55 EDT 1994 > > > The plan9 mailing list archives (93-94) may be accessed on WWW at URL > http://cooper.edu/~rp/plan9/index.html > > This sorted/cross-referenced list was generated by hypermail. > > My home page (/~rp) is still under construction. > > Enjoy. > > R.Primus > > I'm not getting a response. Maybe it's flooded... -- Bill Broadley Broadley@math.ucdavis.edu UCD Math Sys-Admin Linux is great. Bike to live, live to bike. PGP-ok >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Aug 31 23:01:08 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294950>; Wed, 31 Aug 1994 22:53:00 -0400 Received: from neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu ([136.142.93.53]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294985>; Wed, 31 Aug 1994 21:38:28 -0400 Received: by neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu (1.37.109.10G/16.2) id AA032969564; Wed, 31 Aug 1994 20:32:44 -0400 From: Mark Hahn Subject: Re: plan9 Mail archives on WWW To: plan9-fans Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 20:32:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9408312232.AA26540@turing.ucdavis.edu> from "Bill Broadley" at Aug 31, 94 06:32:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 106 Message-Id: <94Aug31.213828edt.294985@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > I'm not getting a response. > > Maybe it's flooded... donno, it's pingable, but perhaps set up wrong. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 1 09:45:58 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292283>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:38:08 -0400 Received: from magnum.cooper.edu ([199.98.16.4]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292264>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:37:33 -0400 Received: by magnum.cooper.edu with UUCP id AA00823 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu); Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:38:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:38:55 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199409011338.AA00823@magnum.cooper.edu> To: plan9-fans Subject: WWW archives - Sorry Content-Length: 262 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Sorry, the correct URL is -> http://cooper.edu:9000/~rp/plan9/index.html Right now, this machine is up from 9:00 till 19:00 From Sept 12, it will be operating from 08:45 till 22:00 I will be trying to move it to a machine that will be up 24/7 R. Primus >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 1 12:35:26 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295050>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 12:25:48 -0400 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295055>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 11:52:10 -0400 From: forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 11:03:05 -0400 To: plan9-fans Message-ID: subject: plan 9 www archive Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans it's interesting, thanks. would it be possible to change the index generator so that it knows that a mail From: line needn't have anthing more than the address: From: someone@somewhere rather than requiring From: someone@somewhere (full name) and puts the someone@somewhere address in the index? >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 1 13:30:31 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295227>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:18:53 -0400 Received: from magnum.cooper.edu ([199.98.16.4]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295206>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:17:20 -0400 Received: by magnum.cooper.edu with UUCP id AA04153 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu); Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:18:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:18:52 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199409011718.AA04153@magnum.cooper.edu> To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: plan 9 www archive Content-Length: 655 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk Wrote: it's interesting, thanks. would it be possible to change the index generator so that it knows that a mail From: line needn't have anthing more than the address: From: someone@somewhere rather than requiring From: someone@somewhere (full name) and puts the someone@somewhere address in the index? I think there may be a bug in the software that created the archive. When it was run on the archive I created when I joined the list, everything worked fine - it DID put the sender's email address if there were no "full-name" existed. I am looking at the source to see where the problem may lie. primus >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 1 17:26:46 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296194>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:15:26 -0400 Received: from magnum.cooper.edu ([199.98.16.4]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296193>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:14:20 -0400 Received: by magnum.cooper.edu with UUCP id AA09553 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu); Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:14:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:14:46 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199409012114.AA09553@magnum.cooper.edu> To: 9fans Subject: WWW archive fixed Content-Length: 208 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans the program to generate the archive has been fixed. the latest changes will be available after labor day. i'm not sure if the machine will be up over the weekend starting on friday. c u next week. primus >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 1 17:56:21 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296193>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:44:55 -0400 Received: from ds1.gl.umbc.edu ([130.85.3.11]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296201>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:39:29 -0400 Received: from umbc8.umbc.edu (vijay@f-umbc8.umbc.edu [130.85.3.8]) by ds1.gl.umbc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08746 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:35:46 -0400 Received: (vijay@localhost) by umbc8.umbc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA27290; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:35:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 12:36:45 -0400 From: Vijay Gill Subject: Re: WWW archive fixed To: plan9-fans In-Reply-To: <199409012114.AA09553@magnum.cooper.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans On Thu, 1 Sep 1994 rp@magnum.cooper.edu wrote: > the program to generate the archive has been fixed. > the latest changes will be available after labor day. > > i'm not sure if the machine will be up over the weekend > starting on friday. on a related note, is there any way to fill us in with what the future bodes for plan 9. A general release etc? Now I know the people who know for sure probably can't tell, but speculation is so much fun... vijay >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 5 01:11:05 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293338>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 01:04:01 -0400 Received: from lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293337>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 01:03:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 01:01:49 -0400 From: Alberto Nava To: plan9-fans Subject: a few questions about alef Message-Id: <94Sep5.010329edt.293337@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I've been working with alef in the last weeks and I have a few questions about it. 1) I had some problems with rescue. For example the output of this programs is "2+" and not "21". If I name the recues then the output is ok, 21. #include void main(int argc, byte **argv) { rescue { print("1"); return; } rescue { print("2"); raise ; } raise ; } 2) Do we have something like pointer to functions of an adt in alef. I would like to write something like this. enum {TEXT, AUDIO, VIDEO, MULTI}; void (*f[]) = { /* I'm not sure about f or Mesg.f */ [TEXT] Mime.ldtext(), [AUDIO] Mime.ldaudio(), [VIDEO] Mime.ldvideo(), [MULTI] Mime.ldmulti(), }; and later do (*f[type])(); /* this avoid switch or if else */ 3) Some time in an adt I declared another unamed adt which has functions which common names. For example: #include adt Mime{ ..... void write(*Mime,int); }; adt Mesg { ..... Mime; void write(*Mesg,int); }; If I want to access Mime.write through a Mesg object, Is it save to use casting? void Mesg.write(Mesg *m,int) ((Mime *)m)->write(0); /* in order to call MIME.write */ } >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 5 03:27:05 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293477>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 03:21:58 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293475>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 03:21:39 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189522>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 09:21:24 +0200 Received: from frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28092; Mon, 5 Sep 94 09:16:37 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 03:16:37 -0400 From: bischof@frigga.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9409050716.AA28092@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: a few questions about alef Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I have the same problems too. Architecture: Sparc SLC -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 8 14:59:23 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295826>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:41:26 -0400 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295799>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:37:57 -0400 From: bobf@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:13:30 -0400 Message-Id: <94Sep8.143757edt.295799@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > #include > > void > main(int argc, byte **argv) > { > rescue { > print("1"); > return; > } > rescue { > print("2"); > raise ; > } > raise ; > } this is a compiler bug that has been fixed. > enum {TEXT, AUDIO, VIDEO, MULTI}; > > void (*f[]) = { /* I'm not sure about f or Mesg.f */ > [TEXT] Mime.ldtext(), > [AUDIO] Mime.ldaudio(), > [VIDEO] Mime.ldvideo(), > [MULTI] Mime.ldmulti(), > }; > > and later do (*f[type])(); /* this avoid switch or if else */ use the form ..function to refer to the functions. [TEXT] .Mime.ldtext, [AUDIO] .Mime.ldaudio, [VIDEO] .Mime.ldvideo, [MULTI] .Mime.ldmulti, works with our compiler. > adt Mime{ > ..... > void write(*Mime,int); > }; > > adt Mesg { > ..... > Mime; > void write(*Mesg,int); > }; > > If I want to access Mime.write through a Mesg object, Is it > save to use casting? > > void > Mesg.write(Mesg *m,int) > > ((Mime *)m)->write(0); /* in order to call MIME.write */ > } unnamed members can be referenced by their type name. use m->Mime.write(0); we are working on a new plan 9 distribution. it contains an Alef compiler with many bug fixes, some new features, and improved documentation. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 8 15:53:11 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295920>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:41:35 -0400 Received: from chelm.nmt.edu ([129.138.6.50]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295919>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:41:13 -0400 Received: (from yodaiken@localhost) by chelm.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id NAA00619 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 13:44:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199409081944.NAA00619@chelm.nmt.edu> From: yodaiken@sphinx.nmt.edu (Victor Yodaiken) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:44:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: bobf@plan9.research.att.com "" (Sep 8, 2:13pm) reply_to: yodaiken@chelm.nmt.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: plan9-fans Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans What is the status of any new plan9 distribution. I am considering incorporating Plan9 into several of our courses and would be trilled to learn something more about possible futue developments? >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 9 01:58:32 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293194>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 01:08:10 -0400 Received: from mailgw.claircom.com ([199.5.241.51]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296600>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 00:47:23 -0400 Received: from nimo.claircom.com by mailgw.claircom.com with smtp (Smail3.1.26.7 #2) id m0qix14-0004u3C; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:52 PDT Received: by nimo.claircom.com (Smail3.1.26.7 #2) id m0qix13-0005TvC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:52 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 23:52:00 -0400 From: fst@claircom.com (Fariborz Skip Tavakkolian) To: plan9-fans In-reply-to: <199409081944.NAA00619@chelm.nmt.edu> (yodaiken@sphinx.nmt.edu) Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > From: yodaiken@sphinx.nmt.edu (Victor Yodaiken) > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:44:16 -0400 > reply_to: yodaiken@chelm.nmt.edu > X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) > Sender: owner-plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu > > What is the status of any new plan9 distribution. I am considering > incorporating Plan9 into several of our courses and would be > trilled to learn something more about possible futue developments? How about a public release of Plan9 at the same time that this new film about Ed Wood comes out? Just a thought >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 14 16:41:31 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294605>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:20:12 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293444>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:07:45 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <9170>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:08:34 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: announcing Plan 9 WWW site Message-Id: <94Sep14.130834edt.9170@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:08:22 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I've finally setup the web server we talked about 2 months ago. Have a look at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9.html It has all the Plan 9 papers (postscript format), and links to the 9fans hypertext archive, Basser's Plan 9 group, and other stuff. There's also a draft copy of an Installation Guide I'm working on. Comments welcome. Steve >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 14 18:08:42 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292519>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:57:09 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292470>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:46:45 -0400 Received: from camelot.dsccc.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxhjg09888; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:10:14 -0400 Received: from sun001.dsccc.com (spd.dsccc.com) by camelot.dsccc.com (5.65c/SMI-V1.8) id AA17468; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:13:43 -0500 Received: by sun001.dsccc.com with SMTP id AA00867 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:13:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199409142113.AA00867@sun001.dsccc.com> To: plan9-fans Cc: mmarshal@spd.dsccc.com Subject: Qualifications.... Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:13:48 -0400 From: Mike Marshall Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Greetings... What are the qualifications one has to meet to be considered for a test copy of plan9??? Thanks, Mike mmarshal@spd.dsccc.com >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 14 19:33:48 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294595>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:22:25 -0400 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294541>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:21:42 -0400 From: philw@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:10:01 -0400 Subject: re: announcing Plan 9 WWW site Message-Id: <94Sep14.192142edt.294541@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >There's also a draft copy of an Installation Guide I'm working on. This is not a good time to be doing this. We are in the process of producing a new distribution and many things have changed. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 14 20:11:29 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296003>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 20:04:34 -0400 Received: from ds1.gl.umbc.edu ([130.85.3.11]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296006>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 20:03:51 -0400 Received: from umbc9.umbc.edu (vijay@f-umbc9.umbc.edu [130.85.3.12]) by ds1.gl.umbc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA06185 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 20:03:33 -0400 Received: (vijay@localhost) by umbc9.umbc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA12726; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 20:03:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 04:03:32 -0400 From: Vijay Gill To: plan9-fans Subject: re: announcing Plan 9 WWW site In-Reply-To: <94Sep14.192142edt.294541@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans On Wed, 14 Sep 1994 philw@plan9.research.att.com wrote: > >There's also a draft copy of an Installation Guide I'm working on. > This is not a good time to be doing this. We > are in the process of producing a new distribution > and many things have changed. will this be sent out to people who already have a copy of plan 9 and have signed the licence? vijay >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 14 22:00:53 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296266>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 21:54:42 -0400 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296259>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 21:54:08 -0400 From: rob@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 21:53:39 -0400 Subject: re: announcing Plan 9 WWW site Message-Id: <94Sep14.215408edt.296259@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans the new distribution, when ready (don't know when yet), will be sent automatically to recipients of the original. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 14 23:05:02 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296403>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:58:37 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296402>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:58:16 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <13897>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:57:58 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: plan9-fans Subject: re: announcing Plan 9 WWW site Message-Id: <94Sep14.225758edt.13897@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:57:53 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > >There's also a draft copy of an Installation Guide I'm working on. > This is not a good time to be doing this. We > are in the process of producing a new distribution > and many things have changed. The intent of my guide was to provide information that was absent or incorrect in the 'standard' docs. If anyone is currently trying to setup a system, take a look at it. I'll put it on hold, and wait for the new CD to arrive. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 14 23:26:28 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296443>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 23:18:28 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296430>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 23:16:31 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <9209>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 23:12:18 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: Qualifications.... Message-Id: <94Sep14.231218edt.9209@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 23:12:10 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > What are the qualifications one has to meet to be considered for > a test copy of plan9??? from ftp://research.att.com/dist/plan9man/README: >> Faculty members at interested universities may acquire the system >> by sending a paper letter requesting a license to: >> >> Neera Kuckreja >> AT&T Bell Laboratories >> Room 2C-557 >> Murray Hill, NJ 07974 After you get a faculty member to send the letter, they will recieve the licencing forms. After the licence agreement is signed and returned to the labs, you should receive the manuals, floppy and a CDROM in the mail. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 15 01:59:57 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292554>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:51:52 -0400 Received: from ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au ([131.236.1.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292562>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:51:14 -0400 Received: (from cjsv@localhost) by ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA12501; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 15:50:51 +1000 Message-Id: <199409150550.PAA12501@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au> From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au (CJS Vance) Organization: Computer Science, University College, University of New South Wales, Canberra To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: Qualifications.... In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 14 Sep 1994 23:12:10 -0400. <94Sep14.231218edt.9209@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:50:50 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Steve Kotsopoulos wrote: | After you get a faculty member to send the letter, | they will recieve the licencing forms. | After the licence agreement is signed and returned to the labs, | you should receive the manuals, floppy and a CDROM in the mail. But it may not happen very quickly. :-( I asked our senior programmer to arrange this several years ago. We are a campus of the University of New South Wales, and are covered by their Unix source licence. The people at the main campus are not only uninterested in Plan 9, they probably don't even know it exists and are most likely unaware that they are contacts for the licence. And if AT&T has a person's name, it's likely that person got sacked. Getting a copy here looks like it'll take another year at least... Am I correct in assuming that Plan 9 is currently available only to universities with Unix source licences, or should I take a second stab at this? -- Christopher >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 15 02:48:04 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292746>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 02:38:53 -0400 Received: from albeniz.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU ([129.94.242.13]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292762>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 02:38:34 -0400 Received: From mbira With LocalMail ; Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:35:34 +1000 From: andrewt@cse.unsw.edu.au (Andrew Taylor) To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 02:35:32 -0400 Message-Id: <940915063532.15859@cse.unsw.edu.au> Subject: Re: Qualifications.... Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >We are a campus of the University of New South Wales, and are covered >by their Unix source licence. The people at the main campus are not >only uninterested in Plan 9, they probably don't even know it exists ... No one here is currently using Plan 9 but we do know it exists. Dennis Ritchie gave a talk on Plan 9 to a packed audience only 2 days ago. Members of the Mungi group were talking about getting a Plan 9 license (mail gernot@cse.unsw.edu.au). Andrew Taylor >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 19 15:42:17 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293547>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:19:11 -0400 Received: from grape.cs.utk.edu ([128.169.92.35]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293533>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:17:58 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu by grape.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.8/2.8c-UTK) id PAA00483; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:17:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199409191917.PAA00483@grape.cs.utk.edu> To: plan9-fans Cc: labstaff@cs.utk.edu X-Geek-2.1: GCS d-(+) H- s+:+ g+(-) p0 au- a23 w+(+++)>+++ v(-) C++(++++) UUAHIOS++++$ P+>+++ L 3 E+ N+ K-- W--- M-- V- -po+ Y+ t+(+++) 5++ j R- G' tv++>-- b+>+++ D B- e+++ u* h+(*) f+ r++>+++ n+(----) y? Subject: Faculty/license the only way to get plan 9? Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:17:29 -0400 From: Andrew Cowell Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Is this the only way to get plan 9? I've gotten a lot of people here all hot and bothered about plan 9, but if we have to wait for all the licensing to go through our legal department, it will probably be over a year (based on previous experiences) before we ever see plan 9, IF we ever see plan 9. I seem to remember someone from the summer Usenix BOF throwing out a figure of $50.00. Is that related to the licensing, or can we just buy it? >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 19 16:22:34 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293581>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:10:46 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293647>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:08:55 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <6196>; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:07:36 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: Faculty/license the only way to get plan 9? Message-Id: <94Sep19.160736edt.6196@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:07:11 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Andrew Cowell wrote: > if we have to wait for all the licensing to go through our legal department, > it will probably be over a year You must have quite a legal department. I only had to wait about 2 weeks. > I seem to remember someone from the summer Usenix BOF throwing out a figure > of $50.00. Is that related to the licensing, or can we just buy it? I held the BOF at Usenix, and posted a summary, but it didn't mention $50. Here's part of the summary I posted: : A new Plan 9 distribution will be worked on this summer, but it is unclear : if it will be distributed. Please don't deluge the developers for more : information regarding the licencing and release details. : : It will have acme and a fax service, and updated versions of alef, acid & : authenticaion services. The PC kernel now supports sound boards. : The default porting base will be for PC's instead of Sparcs and Magnums. : If legal details can be worked out, the Plan 9 developers hope that this : CD will also be released publicly, so that anyone can buy it : (again, this is what they HOPE ... no promises). The new release is still being worked on, but we haven't heard if it will be a 'public' release, or just for current licencees. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 23 20:56:01 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292193>; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:44:26 -0400 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292167>; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:43:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:09:22 -0400 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Message-ID: subject: remote printing using RFC1179 from: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans /pub/plan9/bsdlp.bundle on ftp.cs.york.ac.uk is an rc bundle of components for /sys/lib/lp to allow Plan 9 machines to print on Unix machines that have RFC1179 spoolers. (the protocol is bizarre, and not particularly well documented, but if you're stuck with it ... .) there isn't much: a program to run the protocol, and some diffs to existing /sys/lib/lp files to make BSD lp variants. Unbundle bsdlp.bundle somewhere, and read the Install file (which is also an rc script to do the installation) i've been using it for a few weeks now, and `it works for me'. i think you'll need /sys/lib/postscript, though, to use any of the lp software (not just this bit). there's also a copy on nine.ecf.toronto.edu in pub/plan9/forsyth/bsdlp.bundle. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Oct 3 20:14:39 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292457>; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 19:58:33 -0400 Received: from cooper.edu ([199.98.16.4]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294417>; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 19:57:41 -0400 From: To: plan9-fans Subject: rc and sam Mail Archives Content-Length: 306 Message-Id: <94Oct3.195741edt.294417@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 19:57:36 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Mon Oct 3 19:54:56 EDT 1994 The rc and sam mail archives are available at URL: http://cooper.edu:9000/~rp/plan9/sam/index.html and http://cooper.edu:9000/~rp/plan9/rc/index.html these can be accessed more easily from my Plan 9 page at: http://cooper.edu:9000/~rp/plan9/plan9-info.html enjoy micro >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Oct 4 03:16:56 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295133>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:03:18 -0400 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.16.10]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295129>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:01:24 -0400 Received: from hazard.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA01020 (5.65c/HUJI 4.153 for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:01:58 +0200 Received: from localhost by hazard.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA06425 (5.65c/HUJI 4.144 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:00:03 +0200 Message-Id: <199410040700.AA06425@hazard.cs.huji.ac.il> To: amos@nsof.co.il Orig-From: To: plan9-fans Subject: rc and sam Mail Archives Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:00:02 -0400 From: Amos Shapir Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Mon Oct 3 19:54:56 EDT 1994 The rc and sam mail archives are available at URL: http://cooper.edu:9000/~rp/plan9/sam/index.html and http://cooper.edu:9000/~rp/plan9/rc/index.html these can be accessed more easily from my Plan 9 page at: http://cooper.edu:9000/~rp/plan9/plan9-info.html enjoy micro ------- End of Forwarded Message >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Oct 4 14:36:48 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295351>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:18:28 -0400 Received: from obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de ([134.109.132.55]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295346>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:17:44 -0400 Received: from sunnyboy.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de by obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de with Local SMTP (PP) id <07423-0@obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:15:10 +0100 Received: from sunc2.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de by sunnyboy.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23540; Tue, 4 Oct 94 19:15:07 +0100 From: sven.graupner@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Sven Graupner) Received: by sunc2.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (4.1/client-1.5) id AA03984; Tue, 4 Oct 94 20:15:05 MES Message-Id: <9410041815.AA03984@sunc2.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de> Subject: Re: rc and sam Mail Archives To: plan9-fans Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:15:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <199410040700.AA06425@hazard.cs.huji.ac.il> from "Amos Shapir" at Oct 4, 94 03:00:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1237 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi, thank You for the forward, but I have subscribed at the Plan9 mailing list last week, thus I got the message via this way too. But thank You for Your forward. \\ We are a big step further on installing the fileserver. Using the new image the server boots and begins to install. It just breaks at having not enough space for the filesystem. We thought to meet the server with 400MB disk capacity of our SUN, but it really needs 600MB as described (it copies the whole CDROM?). Thus, the student how does the installation must plug in a larger disk. I think, its no problem. Plan9 is a distributed OS. Is there a way to connect machines over wide area network with Plan9, or are there only local installations around the world? regards, Sven -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Dipl.Inf. Sven Graupner Institute: Technische Universitaet Chemnitz Fakultaet fuer Informatik, Lehrstuhl Betriebssysteme Address: Strasse der Nationen 62, 09111 Chemnitz, Germany PF: 964, 09009 Chemnitz Phone: (+49)-371-531-1390 Fax: (+49)-371-531-1530 e-mail: sgr@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Oct 4 15:30:24 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295404>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:11:32 -0400 Received: from sphinx.nmt.edu ([129.138.6.92]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295401>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:10:24 -0400 Received: (from cort@localhost) by sphinx.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id NAA26433; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 13:11:44 -0600 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:11:43 -0400 From: Cort To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: rc and sam Mail Archives In-Reply-To: <9410041815.AA03984@sunc2.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Could someone give me a pointer as to where I should look to subscribe to the sam and rc mailing list? Thanks. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Oct 4 17:44:34 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291941>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 17:32:29 -0400 Received: from cooper.edu ([199.98.16.4]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291949>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 17:31:43 -0400 From: To: plan9-fans Subject: subscribe info for sam & rc Content-Length: 127 Message-Id: <94Oct4.173143edt.291949@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 17:31:12 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans subscription info for the sam & rc mailing lists: sam: sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu rc: rc@archone.tamu.edu micro >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Oct 4 19:20:47 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292561>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:07:37 -0400 Received: from hawkwind.utcs.utoronto.ca ([128.100.102.51]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292551>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:06:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by hawkwind.utcs.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <24140>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:05:47 -0400 To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: subscribe info for sam & rc In-reply-to: micro's message of Tue, 04 Oct 1994 17:31:12 -0400. <94Oct4.173143edt.291949@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:05:32 -0400 From: Chris Siebenmann Message-Id: <94Oct4.190547edt.24140@hawkwind.utcs.utoronto.ca> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans The subscription address for the rc mailing list is *NOT* 'rc@archone.tamu.edu'; that is an obsolete address for the list itself. The subscription address for the rc mailing list is 'rc-request@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu'. I am unhappy about this mistake. - cks >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Oct 7 17:17:48 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294959>; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:03:54 -0400 Received: from sphinx.nmt.edu ([129.138.6.92]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294960>; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:03:07 -0400 Received: from charon.cs.nmt.edu ([129.138.6.90]) by sphinx.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA12283; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:04:07 -0600 Received: (cort@localhost) by charon.cs.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.9) id PAA20212; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:04:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:04:05 -0400 From: Cort X-Sender: cort@charon To: 9fans cc: Cass Baker Subject: panic upon running b.com on pc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I'd tried to boot plan9 on my a pc. When I run b.com (the one contained on the floppy, not the cd) I get the following: hardwait timed out d0 hardintr d0 panic: hardintr d0 I've looked through the source code that came on the cd, and I've found where this is going on but I don't know what the problem is. It seems that it's waiting for some disk io (from the hard drive?) and times out waiting for it and panics, but I don't have a reference to 386 hardware interrupts so I'm only guessing at all of this. Am I close? My question is 1) has anyone run across this problem and 2) is there any way of getting around it or is it a "feature" of my particular hardware? -- cort >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Oct 10 09:13:31 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292341>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:00:28 -0400 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292332>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:59:52 -0400 From: forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 04:26:59 -0400 To: plan9-fans Message-ID: subject: b.com Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans which hard disc have you got on your 386/486 machine? (ie, make, size, type) you can try ftp'ing b.com from /pub/plan9/b.com on ftp.cs.york.ac.uk to see if that is better (or worse!). there was a problem with the handling of certain older drives, but i can't remember whether i fixed it in b.com or devhard.c in the pc kernel. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Oct 10 09:31:20 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292397>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:24:43 -0400 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292332>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:24:01 -0400 From: postmaster@minster.york.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:17:00 -0400 To: plan9-fans Message-ID: Subject: smtp mail delivery failure Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Attempt to deliver your mail to minster.york.ac.uk!forsyth, minster.york.ac.uk!mhw-plan9, minster.york.ac.uk!pete-plan9 reported the following: ---------- diagnosis ---------- rmail: pete-plan9 -- unknown user or mailbox ---------- unsent mail ---------- >From cse.psu.edu!plan9-fans Mon Oct 10 04:26:59 0400 1994 remote from inet Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292341>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:00:28 -0400 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292332>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:59:52 -0400 From: forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 04:26:59 -0400 To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: subject: b.com Sender: owner-plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu which hard disc have you got on your 386/486 machine? (ie, make, size, type) you can try ftp'ing b.com from /pub/plan9/b.com on ftp.cs.york.ac.uk to see if that is better (or worse!). there was a problem with the handling of certain older drives, but i can't remember whether i fixed it in b.com or devhard.c in the pc kernel. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Oct 10 10:02:45 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292454>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:53:47 -0400 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292450>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:53:26 -0400 From: postmaster@minster.york.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:46:11 -0400 To: plan9-fans Message-ID: Subject: smtp mail delivery failure Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Attempt to deliver your mail to minster.york.ac.uk!forsyth, minster.york.ac.uk!mhw-plan9, minster.york.ac.uk!pete-plan9 reported the following: ---------- diagnosis ---------- rmail: pete-plan9 -- unknown user or mailbox ---------- unsent mail ---------- >From cse.psu.edu!plan9-fans Mon Oct 10 10:17:00 0400 1994 remote from inet Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292397>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:24:43 -0400 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292332>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:24:01 -0400 From: postmaster@minster.york.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:17:00 -0400 To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: Subject: smtp mail delivery failure Sender: owner-plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu Attempt to deliver your mail to minster.york.ac.uk!forsyth, minster.york.ac.uk!mhw-plan9, minster.york.ac.uk!pete-plan9 reported the following: ---------- diagnosis ---------- rmail: pete-plan9 -- unknown user or mailbox ---------- unsent mail ---------- >From cse.psu.edu!plan9-fans Mon Oct 10 04:26:59 0400 1994 remote from inet Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292341>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:00:28 -0400 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292332>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:59:52 -0400 From: forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 04:26:59 -0400 To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: subject: b.com Sender: owner-plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu which hard disc have you got on your 386/486 machine? (ie, make, size, type) you can try ftp'ing b.com from /pub/plan9/b.com on ftp.cs.york.ac.uk to see if that is better (or worse!). there was a problem with the handling of certain older drives, but i can't remember whether i fixed it in b.com or devhard.c in the pc kernel. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Oct 10 14:22:26 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293194>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:05:53 -0400 Received: from panix.com ([198.7.0.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293278>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:05:07 -0400 Received: by panix.com id AA19568 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:01:14 -0400 From: Jeff Jonas Message-Id: <199410101801.AA19568@panix.com> Subject: Re: smtp mail delivery failure To: plan9-fans Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:01:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: from "postmaster@minster.york.ac.uk" at Oct 10, 94 10:46:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 0 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Oct 10 19:54:46 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295486>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 19:50:11 -0400 Received: from sphinx.nmt.edu ([129.138.6.92]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295485>; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 19:49:39 -0400 Received: (from cort@localhost) by sphinx.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id RAA04784; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:50:57 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 19:50:56 -0400 From: Cort To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: b.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I'm using a 40 meg seagate drive, it's not terribly old, though (perhaps 3 years). I tried the b.com you suggested and it still failed, but with a different error. The hardwait and hardintr messages were the same but the panic was "panic: hardintr 2". Any suggestions on this or should I give up and buy an AT&T machine? :) > which hard disc have you got on your 386/486 machine? > (ie, make, size, type) > you can try ftp'ing b.com from /pub/plan9/b.com on ftp.cs.york.ac.uk > to see if that is better (or worse!). there was a problem with the handling > of certain older drives, but i can't remember whether i fixed it in b.com > or devhard.c in the pc kernel. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Oct 14 15:41:14 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292669>; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:14:06 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292336>; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:01:25 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12688>; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:57:11 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Subject: list address Message-Id: <94Oct14.145711edt.12688@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:57:01 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi all, I've noticed that in a number of archives and www pages the subscription address for this list is given as <9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu>. Please note that the actual address is <9fans-request@cse.psu.edu>. -- Scott >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Oct 20 20:54:52 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296630>; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:45:26 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296629>; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:44:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12690>; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:44:32 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: more movies Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:44:24 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Oct20.204432edt.12690@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans So has anyone seen "Ed Wood" yet? After brazil, will the next version of the system be named wood now? :-) >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Oct 29 00:10:23 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <297106>; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 23:55:52 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <297046>; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 23:49:17 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <9039>; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 23:46:59 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: plan 9 newsgroup Message-Id: <94Oct28.234659edt.9039@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 23:46:51 -0400 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans It's been very quiet here lately. I guess everyone is waiting for the forthcoming plan 9 release. Perhaps this would be a good time to get comp.os.plan9 created? I'm not volunteering ... just hoping to prod someone else :-) >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Oct 29 00:39:08 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291978>; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 00:31:32 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <297015>; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 00:30:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 00:25:22 -0400 To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: plan 9 newsgroup In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Oct 1994 23:46:51 EDT." <94Oct28.234659edt.9039@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 00:25:09 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Oct29.002522edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > Perhaps this would be a good time to get comp.os.plan9 created? Unless the system is made generally available, based on the traffic here I predict that the bulk of the postings will be of the form "Hi, what's Plan 9?" or "Hi, where can I ftp Plan 9?" or "MAKE.MONEY.FAST" :-) >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sun Oct 30 11:41:45 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294258>; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 11:35:16 -0500 Received: from lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294257>; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 11:34:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 02:31:49 -0500 From: David Hogan To: plan9-fans Subject: Daylight Savings Message-Id: <94Oct30.113441est.294257@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Daylight saving time has struck again in New South Wales. Has anyone generated timezone files for Plan 9 for zones outside of the USA (in particular, for NSW?). It would save me from having to do it myself (or editting the file twice a year, which is what I do now). >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Nov 8 21:05:25 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295864>; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:54:49 -0500 Received: from gloria.cord.edu ([138.129.1.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295861>; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:54:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (tjohnson@localhost) by gloria.cord.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA24363 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:54:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:54:15 -0500 From: Tommy Olaus Johnson Message-Id: <199411090154.TAA24363@gloria.cord.edu> To: plan9-fans Subject: WWW client? Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Has anyone written a WWW client for plan 9? I want to make sure I'm not re-inventing the wheel. -Tommy tjohnson@gloria.cord.edu >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Nov 8 21:37:37 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295899>; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:28:56 -0500 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295898>; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:28:28 -0500 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from gary for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Wed, 09 Nov 1994 13:28:12 +1100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:27:01 -0500 From: gary@staff.cs.su.oz.au (Gary Capell) Subject: WWW client? To: plan9-fans Message-Id: <94Nov8.212828est.295898@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I understand Bell Labs have one primitive client for acme, another prettier client under development. Probably the best thing to do is to wait for the new release before doing anything :-( >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Nov 9 02:18:32 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292941>; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:54:02 -0500 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.16.10]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292939>; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:52:37 -0500 Received: from hazard.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA06620 (5.65c/HUJI 4.153 for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:50:53 +0200 Received: from localhost by hazard.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA06514 (5.65c/HUJI 4.144 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:48:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199411090648.AA06514@hazard.cs.huji.ac.il> To: plan9-fans Subject: The Second Coming of P9 In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 08 Nov 94 22:27:01 EST. Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:48:20 -0500 From: Amos Shapir Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans gary@staff.cs.su.oz.au (Gary Capell) writes: > Probably > the best thing to do is to wait for the new release before > doing anything :-( Does anyone has any definite information when that is going to happen?? Quivering with anticipation, Amos Shapir Net: amos@cs.huji.ac.il Paper: The Hebrew Univ. of Jerusalem, Dept. of Comp. Science. Givat-Ram, Jerusalem 91904, Israel Tel: +972 2 585706,586950 GEO: 35 11 46 E / 31 46 21 N >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Nov 9 10:45:05 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294403>; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:19:54 -0500 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu ([130.207.3.207]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294352>; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:12:43 -0500 Received: from penfold.cc.gatech.edu (arnold@penfold.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.3.249]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA14734 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:02:32 -0500 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by penfold.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA14531 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:02:30 -0500 From: arnold@cc.gatech.edu (Arnold Robbins) Message-Id: <199411091502.KAA14531@penfold.cc.gatech.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:02:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: Amos Shapir's 34-line message on Nov 9, 1:48am X-Ultrix: Just Say NO! X-Important-Saying: Premature Optimization Is The Root Of All Evil. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: The Second Coming of P9 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > Does anyone has any definite information when that is going to happen?? Even the Bell Labs guys don't know. Last I heard (a week or two ago), work was continuing, with lots of stuff being back-ported from Brazil to Plan 9, but still no definite date. Sigh. Arnold >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Nov 9 13:33:30 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294911>; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:08:34 -0500 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294884>; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:07:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12686>; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:07:42 -0500 To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: The Second Coming of P9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Nov 1994 10:02:30 EST." <199411091502.KAA14531@penfold.cc.gatech.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:07:39 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Nov9.130742est.12686@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans | Even the Bell Labs guys don't know. Last I heard (a week or two ago), work | was continuing, with lots of stuff being back-ported from Brazil to | Plan 9, but still no definite date. Sigh. Why do any back-porting? Why not just release Brazil? >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Nov 9 14:13:25 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295075>; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:58:28 -0500 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu ([130.207.3.207]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295065>; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:55:41 -0500 Received: from penfold.cc.gatech.edu (arnold@penfold.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.3.249]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA28442 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:54:00 -0500 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by penfold.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA14814 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:53:58 -0500 From: arnold@cc.gatech.edu (Arnold Robbins) Message-Id: <199411091853.NAA14814@penfold.cc.gatech.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:53:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Scott Schwartz's 26-line message on Nov 9, 1:07pm X-Ultrix: Just Say NO! X-Important-Saying: Premature Optimization Is The Root Of All Evil. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: The Second Coming of P9 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > | Even the Bell Labs guys don't know. Last I heard (a week or two ago), work > | was continuing, with lots of stuff being back-ported from Brazil to > | Plan 9, but still no definite date. Sigh. > > Why do any back-porting? Why not just release Brazil? Again, this is repeating what I was told, but Brazil is not even stable yet. There are people at BTL who use Plan 9 for day to day work, so stuff is being back ported since it's useful. Brazil is nowhere ready for release, it's neither stable nor even documented... Arnold >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Nov 16 17:21:12 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296502>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:05:04 -0500 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296499>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:04:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:03:02 -0500 To: 9fans Subject: bind vs pwd Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:02:54 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Nov16.170302est.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Given bind -c /usr/$user/tmp /tmp if I cd to /usr/$user/tmp and then cd .., pwd says that I'm now in /. I expected to be in /usr/$user. Is that how it's supposed to work, or am I all confused about something? -- Scott >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Nov 16 17:55:33 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296556>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:48:17 -0500 Received: from nic.stolaf.edu ([130.71.128.8]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296557>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:47:59 -0500 Received: from spare2.acc.stolaf.edu (spare2.acc.stolaf.edu [130.71.136.35]) by nic.stolaf.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29900; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:47:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199411162247.QAA29900@nic.stolaf.edu> To: Scott Schwartz To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: bind vs pwd In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:02:54 EST." <94Nov16.170302est.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:47:26 -0500 From: Philip Guenther Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >Given bind -c /usr/$user/tmp /tmp >if I cd to /usr/$user/tmp and then cd .., pwd says that I'm now in /. >I expected to be in /usr/$user. Is that how it's supposed to work, >or am I all confused about something? bind is not like ln -s. The bind command shown above makes /tmp into a union directory, containing the union of the previous contents of /tmp (probably nothing in this case), and the contents of /usr/$user/tmp. In addition, the -c flag specifies that files created in /tmp should *really* be created in /usr/$user/tmp. This is critical here as /tmp is unwritable previous to this. However, /tmp is still /tmp. It's contents are really somewhere else, but as far as the shell is concerned, nothing has happened. The kernel may catch readdir() a lie a little, but cd is unaffected. I think you may be able to "trick" it with something like: bind -c /usr/tor/tmp /tmp mkdir /tmp/foo cd /tmp/foo cd .. I think that will leave you in /usr/tor, as the cd takes you to /usr/tor/tmp/foo. At least that's what it appears to me... Philip Guenther guenther@stolaf.edu (Philip Guenther) St Olaf College, Northfield, MN 55057 (defun sig-hook () (insert-disclaimer 'my-opinion-only 'powerless-student)) "To go outside the mythos is to become insane..." -Robert Pirsig >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Nov 16 20:57:33 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296777>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:52:26 -0500 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296869>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:51:43 -0500 Received: by research.att.com; Wed Nov 16 20:32 EST 1994 From: philw@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:21:19 -0500 Subject: re: bind vs pwd Message-Id: <94Nov16.205143est.296869@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans pwd may give either answer. there is no way of remembering how you got somewhere because the mount table is stored by a hash. So '..' searches through the table and gives you the first answer. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Nov 16 21:18:32 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296882>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:13:57 -0500 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296871>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:13:19 -0500 From: philw@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:05:52 -0500 Subject: Re: bind vs pwd Message-Id: <94Nov16.211319est.296871@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >From: Philip Guenther >Sender: cse.psu.edu!owner-plan9-fans >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: cse.psu.edu!plan9-fans > >>Given bind -c /usr/$user/tmp /tmp >>if I cd to /usr/$user/tmp and then cd .., pwd says that I'm now in /. >>I expected to be in /usr/$user. Is that how it's supposed to work, >>or am I all confused about something? > >bind is not like ln -s. The bind command shown above makes /tmp into >a union directory, containing the union of the previous contents of /tmp >(probably nothing in this case), and the contents of /usr/$user/tmp. >In addition, the -c flag specifies that files created in /tmp should >*really* be created in /usr/$user/tmp. This is critical here as /tmp >is unwritable previous to this. This is incorrect. The bind command is specified as MREPL with no options. There is no union directory. /usr/$user/tmp replaces /tmp. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Nov 17 01:19:08 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293582>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:10:52 -0500 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <297212>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:37:21 -0500 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:02:30 -0500 To: 9fans Subject: yet another benchmark Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:02:29 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Nov17.000230est.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Larry McVoy posted a filesystem benchmark on comp.unix.bsd today, Message-ID: <3ae05t$afs@fido.asd.sgi.com>. I'm not sure what it's intended to prove, but since I'm a sucker for benchmarks I ran it anyway. :-) Here are the results and the code (tweaked to compile). Maybe someone with more interesting hardware than an SS1 cpu server and SS2 file server can share their results. cpu% k.out 0k 500 36 63 1k 500 19 50 4k 500 15 56 10k 500 11 56 cpu% ramfs cpu% cd /tmp cpu% $home/k.out 0k 500 42 100 1k 500 36 100 4k 500 28 125 10k 500 11 17 #include #include /* * Benchmark creates & deletes. */ /* $Id: fsbench.c,v 1.1 1994/11/16 22:08:53 lm Exp $ */ main() { static int sizes[] = { 0, 1024, 4096, 10*1024 }; extern char *names[]; int i, j; double create_m, delete_m; char buf[100]; for (i = 0; i < sizeof(sizes)/sizeof(int); ++i) { start(); for (j = 0; j < 500; ++j) { mkfile(names[j], sizes[i]); } create_m = stop() / 1000000.; start(); for (j = 0; j < 500; ++j) { unlink(names[j]); } delete_m = stop() / 1000000.; printf("%dk\t%d\t%.0f\t%.0f\n", sizes[i]>>10, 500, 500 / create_m, 500 / delete_m); } exit(0); } mkfile(s, sz) char *s; { int fd = creat(s, 0666); char buf[10*1024]; /* XXX - track sizes */ write(fd, buf, sz); close(fd); } char *names[] = { "a", 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"ael", "aem", "aen", "aeo", "aep", "aeq", "aer", "aes", "aet", "aeu", "aev", "aew", "aex", "aey", "aez", "afa", "afb", "afc", "afd", "afe", "aff", "afg", "afh", "afi", "afj", "afk", "afl", "afm", "afn", "afo", "afp", "afq", "afr", "afs", "aft", "afu", "afv", "afw", "afx", "afy", "afz", "aga", "agb", "agc", "agd", "age", "agf", "agg", "agh", "agi", "agj", "agk", "agl", "agm", "agn", "ago", "agp", "agq", "agr", "ags", "agt", "agu", "agv", "agw", "agx", "agy", "agz", "aha", "ahb", "ahc", "ahd", "ahe", "ahf", "ahg", "ahh", "ahi", "ahj", "ahk", "ahl", "ahm", "ahn", "aho", "ahp", "ahq", "ahr", "ahs", "aht", "ahu", "ahv", "ahw", "ahx", "ahy", "ahz", "aia", "aib", "aic", "aid", "aie", "aif", "aig", "aih", "aii", "aij", "aik", "ail", "aim", "ain", "aio", "aip", "aiq", "air", "ais", "ait", "aiu", "aiv", "aiw", "aix", "aiy", "aiz", "aja", "ajb", "ajc", "ajd", "aje", "ajf", "ajg", "ajh", "aji", "ajj", "ajk", "ajl", "ajm", "ajn", "ajo", "ajp", "ajq", "ajr", "ajs", "ajt", "aju", "ajv", "ajw", "ajx", "ajy", "ajz", "aka", "akb", "akc", "akd", "ake", "akf", "akg", "akh", "aki", "akj", "akk", "akl", "akm", "akn", "ako", "akp", "akq", "akr", "aks", "akt", "aku", "akv", "akw", "akx", "aky", "akz", "ala", "alb", "alc", "ald", "ale", "alf", "alg", "alh", "ali", "alj", "alk", "all", }; /* --- */ static long val; void start() { val = time(0) * 1000000; } long stop() { return time(0)*1000000 - val; } int creat(char* file, int perm) { return create (file, OWRITE|OTRUNC, perm); } int unlink(char* file) { return remove(file); } >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Nov 17 02:17:53 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291757>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:08:10 -0500 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291787>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:01:02 -0500 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:29:20 -0500 To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: yet another benchmark In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:02:29 EST." <94Nov17.000230est.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:29:08 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Nov17.012920est.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Sigh. So naturally I post the untweaked version. Replace printf with print and exit with exits, of course. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Nov 17 14:56:10 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293025>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:36:22 -0500 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293023>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:36:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12686>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:35:54 -0500 To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: bind vs pwd In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:21:19 EST." <94Nov16.205143est.296869@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:35:45 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Nov17.143554est.12686@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Phil writes: | pwd may give either answer. there is no way of remembering how you | got somewhere because the mount table is stored by a hash. So '..' | searches through the table and gives you the first answer. I was caught by this when I tried to tar up my home directory and my bin and tmp both sent tar rampaging through the filesystem. This is even trickier than symbolic links. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Nov 17 23:33:34 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294540>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:27:12 -0500 Received: from lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294536>; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:25:56 -0500 From: Alberto Nava Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:10:41 -0500 To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: yet another benchmark Message-Id: <94Nov17.232556est.294536@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans In <94Nov17.000230est.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Scott Schwartz wrote: > Larry McVoy posted a filesystem benchmark on comp.unix.bsd today, > Message-ID: <3ae05t$afs@fido.asd.sgi.com>. I'm not sure what it's > intended to prove, but since I'm a sucker for benchmarks I ran it > anyway. :-) > > Here are the results and the code (tweaked to compile). Maybe someone > with more interesting hardware than an SS1 cpu server and SS2 file > server can share their results. > > cpu% k.out > 0k 500 36 63 > 1k 500 19 50 > 4k 500 15 56 > 10k 500 11 56 > cpu% ramfs > cpu% cd /tmp > cpu% $home/k.out > 0k 500 42 100 > 1k 500 36 100 > 4k 500 28 125 > 10k 500 11 17 > > We don't have a great hardware, but we are my results. # # terminal: SPARC ELC # file server: Sparc ELC # cpu server: Sparc ELC # term% k.out 0k 500 26 45 1k 500 13 38 4k 500 11 29 10k 500 8 26 cpu% k.out 0k 500 26 63 1k 500 13 38 4k 500 12 28 10k 500 10 28 # # with ramfs # term% $home/src/ben/k.out 0k 500 56 125 1k 500 50 100 4k 500 42 125 10k 500 9 24 cpu% $home/src/ben/k.out 0k 500 63 167 1k 500 56 125 4k 500 42 167 10k 500 28 167 The result for our cpu server running ramfs are a little better. Probably becuase it has more RAM. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Nov 18 02:27:17 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294767>; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 02:21:17 -0500 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294764>; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 02:20:57 -0500 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 01:52:27 -0500 To: <9fans@cs.psu.edu> subject: getting out of a bind Message-Id: <94Nov18.022057est.294764@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >>I was caught by this when I tried to tar up my home directory and my >>bin and tmp both sent tar rampaging through the filesystem. This is >>even trickier than symbolic links. mount -ct /srv/boot /n/boot then under /n/boot no binds or mounts are active; it's just a tree. this also avoids trying to read things in /dev or /net. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Nov 22 23:52:13 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295903>; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 23:37:05 -0500 Received: from educ.lsuc.on.ca ([142.57.1.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295901>; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 23:36:22 -0500 Received: by educ.lsuc.on.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0rA8kD-0000iGC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:51 EST Message-Id: From: jim@educ.lsuc.on.ca (Jim Mercer) Subject: Re: Gnots To: gary@moria.cs.su.OZ.AU (Gary Capell) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:51:44 -0500 Cc: 9fans In-Reply-To: <94Feb4.155623est.293158@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> from "Gary Capell" at Feb 4, 94 03:49:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1298 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans [ apologies for replying to an old message, i'm reading the 9fan archive ] [ please add niners@lsuc.on.ca to the list ] > Has anyone else seen any grey-scale screens around? > > Any other ideas on best machine for a terminal? We want something > already supported by Plan 9, cheapish, with a nice high-res display for > large help(1) windows. i've found a number of old NEC Monograph displays, 8-bit ISA adapters with a 13" 1024x1024 square tube. my intention is to use these on older 386 machines, preferablly diskless or floppy boot. after a years wait, i think i've scavanged enough equipment to put a small network together. i've got a few unix hosts, some 386's and 3/[56]0's for terminals and a sparc (sun 4/260) which i'm hoping might work. failing that i'll be mostly intel until i can scavenge more stuff. (can someone point me at some kind of "currently supported hardware" list?) i've requested the latest CD, so i hope to start poking at stuff soon. -- [ Jim Mercer jim@lsuc.On.Ca || ...!uunet!uunet.ca!lsuc!jim +1 416 947-5258 ] [ Systems and Communications Analyst - Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto ] [ Standards are great. They give non-conformists something to not conform to. ] [ The opinions expressed here may or may not be those of my employer ] >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Nov 28 13:20:12 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292733>; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:05:48 -0500 Received: from cooper.edu ([199.98.16.4]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292717>; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:05:23 -0500 From: To: 9fans Subject: 9menu Content-Length: 2182 Message-Id: <94Nov28.130523est.292717@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:05:16 -0500 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Mon Nov 28 13:03:37 EST 1994 this email was sent to the sam-fans mailing list. ----------------------------------------------------------------- >From sam-fans-owner@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Mon Nov 28 07:19:46 1994 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:19:46 -0500 >From: arnold@cc.gatech.edu (Arnold Robbins) To: sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Subject: 9menu program available With considerable help from David Hogan, I have written `9menu.' It is like xmenu, in that you provide menu items and commands that go with them on the command line. 9menu pops up a window containing the list of items, and executes the corresponding command when a button is pressed. It was inspired by the GWM blit code's way of starting up remote windows, I wanted something similar to use under 9wm (yes, it exists, and is due to be released RSN. I've been beta-testing it). 9menu allows you to write your own menus and customize the behavior to suit you, without the headaches of a .twmrc or .mwmrc. It is real easy to have one item spawn another, giving a similar effect to pull-right menus. Here is how I use it, one for remote systems, the other for programs I may want to run. Being lazy, I have xterm in both. I still use the 'rxterm' script, but that's mostly for convenience. (This is from my .xinitrc. The -geometry strings are to get 9wm to place the windows iconified.) 9menu -geometry 67x136-4+477 -iconic -popdown -label Remotes \ 'solaria:rxterm solaria.cc.gatech.edu' \ 'burdell:rxterm burdell.cc.gatech.edu' \ 'chrome:rxterm chrome.cc.gatech.edu' \ 'emory:rxterm emory.mathcs.emory.edu' \ 'acme:rxterm acme.gatech.edu' \ 'gnu:rxterm gate.gnu.ai.mit.edu' \ 'xterm:rxterm xterm' \ exit & 9menu -geometry 103x102-3+624 -iconic -popdown -label 'X programs' \ 'xterm:rxterm xterm' \ xtetris xlock '9wm restart:9wm restart' '9wm exit:9wm exit' exit & This isn't as earth-shattering as sam, 9term, or 9wm, but for me, at least, it fills a previously empty hole in the total environment. Oh yes, where to get it: ftp.cc.gatech.edu:/pub/people/arnold/9menu.shar.gz Let me know if there are any questions are problems, I've only tested it under SunOS 4.1.3 with X11R5. Arnold >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 6 16:37:46 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295147>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:26:46 -0500 Received: from jli ([199.2.111.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295154>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:26:23 -0500 Received: from cumulus by jli with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #23) id m0rF7ME-000IgDC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:23 PST From: trost@cloud.rain.com (Bill Trost) Message-Id: Received: by emacs (GNU Emacs 19.22.5) with vm; Tue, 06 Dec 1994 13:15:37 PST To: 9fans, sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Subject: acme for X? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:22:27 -0500 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans [Sorry for the posting to multiple lists, but someone suggested this would be the best place to look for an answer to my question.] Does anyone know if there's been an implementation of acme for X? Acme, you'll recall, is a "programming environment" (I guess that's the right word) that Rob Pike implemented for Plan 9 and described in a USENIX paper. I've had a chance to play with it a bit under Plan 9, and it's just an amazingly wonderful interface. In any event, I'd be interested if anyone has, is, or was working on such a thing. I'd rather not have to try to implement it myself, but if nothing materializes, I might just have to.... >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 6 17:23:01 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295246>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:13:08 -0500 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295241>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:11:59 -0500 From: philw@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:02:24 -0500 Subject: re: acme for X? Message-Id: <94Dec6.171159est.295241@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans acme is written in ALEF. There is a unix port for ALEF for the SGI's but we maintain plan9 calling conventions so it is not possible to link with the X libraries. So the answer is No. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 6 17:58:41 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295301>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:47:28 -0500 Received: from chsun.eunet.ch ([146.228.10.15]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295303>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:47:11 -0500 Received: from [193.72.5.1] by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.4/1.34) id XAA25997; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:48:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199412062248.XAA25997@chsun.eunet.ch> X-Sender: born@pop.eunet.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:48:59 -0500 To: 9fans From: born@dial.eunet.ch (Frederick L. Born) Subject: installing Plan 9 on a PC Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi there, I'm a student at the Tech. University of Bern, Switzerland. I would like to write a diploma thesis for my Master of Science in Computer Science about Plan 9. I already received all stuff (CD-ROM and manuals) from AT&T. At the moment I'm trying to set up a standalone Plan 9 system on a PC to do my first steps with Plan 9. Unfortuately I have some major problems. I can boot my system (i486DX2 PC, VESA Bus, IDE harddisk) from the harddisk. The kernel works fine, but can't locate the local file system (kfs) on the harddisk. After selecting local as default file system I get the message: fs...time...boot: /386/init: access permission denied panic: boot process died: unknown If somebody has successfully installed a Plan 9 standalone system on a PC, please let me know what I have to do. I'm not shure if I get the latest re- lease from AT&T. My CD-ROM has a printed label dated from 1992, but the CD-ROM itself is dated from I/1993 (printed around the hole in the middle). Do I possibly need another CD-ROM? Because I'm really new to Plan 9 every answer is welcome. best regards, Frederick Frederick L. Born -- In this world, time is -- born@dial.eunet.ch -- a local phenomenon. -- >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 6 18:23:04 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295319>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:07:27 -0500 Received: from Legato.COM ([137.69.1.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295335>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:07:06 -0500 Received: from jupiter.Legato.COM by Legato.COM (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA20239 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:03:57 PST Received: from leo.Legato.COM by jupiter.Legato.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05245; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:03:57 PST From: dbecker@jupiter.Legato.COM (Doug Becker) Message-Id: <9412062303.AA05245@jupiter.Legato.COM> Subject: Re: acme for X? To: plan9-fans, sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:03:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <94Dec6.171159est.295241@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> from "philw@plan9.research.att.com" at Dec 6, 94 05:02:24 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 497 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Not that Phil's response is in any way lacking (I had no idea of the port of ALEF to UNIX), but I asked Rob the same question a couple of weeks ago, and his response was that Acme is "pretty deeply wedded" to concepts in Plan 9 that have no analog in UNIX. (This seems fairly obvious from the various papers.) I too would love to see some sort of Acme under UNIX (or even Plan 9. :-) Heck, just the general availability of Acme's ALEF source would be enough to appease me for a few weeks... :-) >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 6 22:44:47 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295615>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:35:17 -0500 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295614>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:34:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12685>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:34:27 -0500 To: plan9-fans, sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Subject: Re: acme for X? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Dec 1994 18:03:56 EST." <9412062303.AA05245@jupiter.Legato.COM> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:34:20 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Dec6.223427est.12685@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Anyone who is interested in acme should take a look at Oberon, the system that inspired it. Wirth has written a book and a number of papers about it. You can ftp it from neptune.inf.ethz.ch; they have binaries for sparc and some other systems. The system runs in an X window and more or less acts like that window is the screen of a Ceres workstation. It's a little like running smalltalk---Oberon is its own user interface, programming language, and operating system. Anyway, the system is amazingly efficient and elegant. Everyone I've shown it to has said "Wow.", so go check it out while we're waiting for the next Plan 9 cd to arrive. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Dec 7 06:29:12 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292525>; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:14:57 -0500 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292524>; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:14:17 -0500 From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:11:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: plan9-fans, sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu, schwartz@galapagos.cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: acme for X? Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Scott says: >Anyone who is interested in acme should take a look at Oberon, the >system that inspired it. Wirth has written a book and a number of >papers about it. You can ftp it from neptune.inf.ethz.ch; they have >binaries for sparc and some other systems. I'd agree with this -- Oberon is an interesting and very slick system which is well worth investigating -- anything that manages to pack a GUI, word processor, compiler, drawing program, mail tool, paint program, terminal emulator and so on into a few meg is _very_ impressive.. >Anyway, the system is amazingly efficient and elegant. Everyone I've >shown it to has said "Wow.", so go check it out while we're waiting >for the next Plan 9 cd to arrive. Yes, Oberon is elegant, but not in the same way that Help and Acme are -- it's hard to create ``ad hoc'' tools in Oberon without a fair bit of programming... It's a nice environment for building and documenting Oberon programs but I wouldn't want to spend all day in it! pete -- Peter Fenelon - Research Associate - High Integrity Systems Engineering Group, Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD +44 (0)904 433388 EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built-up areas' >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Dec 8 03:31:23 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291869>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 03:23:20 -0500 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292632>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 03:21:54 -0500 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189478>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:14:14 +0100 Received: from balrog by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04115; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:14:10 +0100 From: bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9412080814.AA04115@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by balrog (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA15265; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:14:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 03:14:05 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: 9fans@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Subject: acme Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans is it possible to get acme via ftp? Thanks for your help. -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Dec 8 09:49:37 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293214>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:34:27 -0500 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293207>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:32:35 -0500 From: rob@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:31:54 -0500 Subject: Re: acme Message-Id: <94Dec8.093235est.293207@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans acme is not available by ftp. it depends on many changes in the system and the alef language to build, so it cannot practically be made available to holders of the first distribution. it will be part of the new distribution, whenever that happens (please don't ask; we're working on it). -rob >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Dec 8 10:05:22 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293221>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:51:04 -0500 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293216>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:48:01 -0500 From: philw@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:34:45 -0500 Subject: re: acme Message-Id: <94Dec8.094801est.293216@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >is it possible to get acme >via ftp? No. You would be unable to compile and use it. So much has changed in the system and ALEF that you will have to wait for the new distribution to be able to compile and run it. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Dec 8 11:09:00 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293284>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:58:54 -0500 Received: from ncar.UCAR.EDU ([192.52.106.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293291>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:58:22 -0500 Received: from niwot.scd.ucar.EDU by ncar.ucar.EDU (NCAR-local/ NCAR Central Post Office 03/11/93) id IAA23548; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:58:05 -0700 From: djc@niwot.scd.ucar.EDU (Dennis Colarelli) Received: from cuatro.scd.ucar.edu.scd.ucar.EDU by niwot.scd.ucar.EDU (NCAR-local/ NCAR Mail Server 04/10/90) id IAA14943; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:58:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9412081558.AA19888@cuatro.scd.ucar.edu> Received: by cuatro.scd.ucar.edu (931110.SGI/ NCAR Mail Client 06/17/94) id AA19888; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:58:13 -0700 Subject: Re: acme for X? To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:58:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: <94Dec6.171159est.295241@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> from "philw@plan9.research.att.com" at Dec 6, 94 05:02:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 307 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans In the 9fans mailing list, you wrote: > > acme is written in ALEF. There is > a unix port for ALEF for the SGI's > but we maintain plan9 calling conventions > so it is not possible to link with the > X libraries. So the answer is No. Will this be available to the public (e.g., like sam)? thanks, Dennis >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Dec 8 11:32:51 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293328>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:21:23 -0500 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293319>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:20:48 -0500 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189478>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:20:11 +0100 Received: from balrog by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05631; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:19:56 +0100 From: bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9412081619.AA05631@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by balrog (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA04384; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:19:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:19:55 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: acme for X? Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi Dennis, Rob Pike's answer: acme is not available by ftp. it depends on many changes in the system and the alef language to build, so it cannot practically be made available to holders of the first distribution. it will be part of the new distribution, whenever that happens (please don't ask; we're working on it). -rob -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Dec 8 12:55:02 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293532>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:39:45 -0500 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293528>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:39:25 -0500 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12685>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:39:11 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Subject: Please update your FAQ and README files!! Message-Id: <94Dec8.123911est.12685@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:38:57 -0500 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I've been getting tons of subscription requests addressed to 9fans-owner, instead of 9fans-request (optionally s/9fans/plan9-fans/). This is because a number of FAQ and README type files scattered across the five corners of the internet give the wrong address. Please, if you maintain one of these, or know of such, fix the address, so that majordomo gets typing practice instead of me. Thanks in advance. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Dec 10 06:17:21 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292033>; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 06:07:12 -0500 Received: from chsun.eunet.ch ([146.228.10.15]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292007>; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 06:06:45 -0500 Received: from [193.72.5.1] by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.4/1.34) id MAA21193; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 12:07:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199412101107.MAA21193@chsun.eunet.ch> X-Sender: born@pop.eunet.ch (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 06:08:54 -0500 To: 9fans From: born@dial.eunet.ch (Frederick L. Born) Subject: Re: How I get my Plan 9 CD-ROM Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >Frederick, > >My question is how did you get the CD-ROM from AT&T??? > >What do you have to do to get them to send it??? > >Information would be greatly appreciated??? > >Thank You, > >Mike Marshall >mmarshal@spd.dsccc.com Mike, I was very surprised about your mail. Is it realy so hard to get one of this CD-ROM's? Well here's how I made it: 1. write a letter by mail (snail-mail) to Neera Kuckreja at AT&T 2. explain why you need Plan 9, maybe what you especially want to do 3. give some information about your person (if you are at an university give some information about your faculty) 4. after this Neera will send you an agreement. If you can agree to the terms and conditions you sign it and send it back 5. some days later (in my case about 14 days) you will receive a parcel from AT&T at your front-door well that's it - ...abracadabra... - here's your CD-ROM. Sounds nice, but it's true! Frederick >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Dec 10 15:07:48 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292533>; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 15:02:03 -0500 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292522>; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 15:01:31 -0500 From: philw@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 14:53:48 -0500 Subject: Re: How I get my Plan 9 CD-ROM Message-Id: <94Dec10.150131est.292522@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans You MUST be affiliated with an academic institution. The letter must be on a department letter head and the letter must be signed by a faculty member. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sun Dec 11 18:34:09 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293117>; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:21:52 -0500 Received: from octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au ([131.236.1.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293113>; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:21:03 -0500 Received: (from cjsv@localhost) by octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA16061; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:20:47 +1100 Message-Id: <199412112320.KAA16061@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au> From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au (CJS Vance) Organization: Computer Science, University College, University of New South Wales, Canberra To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: How I get my Plan 9 CD-ROM In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 10 Dec 1994 14:53:48 -0500. <94Dec10.150131est.292522@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:20:46 -0500 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans philw@plan9.research.att.com wrote: | You MUST be affiliated with an academic institution. | The letter must be on a department letter head and | the letter must be signed by a faculty member. Hmm, I sent a letter on 20 September to Ms Kuckreja, and have had no response whatsoever. I understand a previous letter (sent by someone else) expressing interest was sent a number of _years_ ago, with a similar lack of response. (I heard Rob Pike in Australia in about 1991, and was aware of the early papers and manual from early on.) I would like to get Plan 9. I am lecturing at a University as full-time staff, and was in 1991. My letter was on deparment letterhead, and was signed by me. The only thing I can think of which might have caused a problem is that I am at a campus of the University 300 km away from the central administration. I asked specifically in the latest letter to AT&T what the policy is on multi-campus universities---license per institution or license per campus. (I know our Unix license is per-institution, but I don't think anybody at the main campus cares about Plan 9.) I do know we gave up on getting the C++ sources from AT&T because they insisted on sending our stuff through the 3-year long black hole in Japan. (We waited a number of years for 1.1 or whatever, and had an order for v2 which never happened before v3 was released.) So, how do I _really_ get Plan 9? Like in my hands? -- Christopher >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Dec 12 04:51:54 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293573>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 04:40:43 -0500 Received: from lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293570>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 04:39:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:36:23 -0500 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au (David Hogan) To: plan9-fans, sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Subject: 9wm: A Lightweight X Window Manager in the style of 8 1/2 Message-Id: <94Dec12.043936est.293570@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I have just released version 1.0 of my X window manager, 9wm. 9wm attempts to capture the look and feel of the Plan 9 windowing system "8 1/2". This provides a minimal yet comfortable user interface. 9wm is particularly handy for users who are constantly moving back and forth between Plan 9 and X windows, but it should also appeal to non-Plan 9 users, particularly those who are sick of the amount of time that certain other window managers take to start up ;-) 9wm should be appearing on comp.sources.x soon, if all goes well. In the meantime, you can get it via anonymous ftp from ftp.cs.su.oz.au, in the directory /dhog/9wm. 9wm is freely available. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Dec 12 05:56:45 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291739>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 05:47:39 -0500 Received: from zag.netlab.london.sco.com ([150.126.4.77]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291737>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 05:46:50 -0500 Received: from zag.london.sco.COM by zag.netlab.london.sco.com id aa27928; 12 Dec 94 11:47 GMT X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.1 12/2/94 To: plan9-fans Subject: re: 9wm: A Lightweight X Window Manager in the style of 8 1/2 In-reply-to: dhog's message of Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:36:23 GMT." <94Dec12.043936est.293570@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: "?v.huY]?B[a4C|xid!Tx8TpwOQe6]C(I}h8Vo1z6'9soM_Xvq2f3u::[F~rW>GWj6; IfU,10H;B&1JDE/H8?``q4XH4~!\_z{n3RDmkC;9d!Yx3O7n?9,[CE;TWB!F8.e5fc0 dJXikU'v1qFVTfptB7xe$y*t#jx4`I44n,ypMQg@.|Z^ycJ:G]{dR~E}_.T1^shwC%T 4eRGVu%h+J7lBzb>m20==Q*OPAf^~@6Lj^)rI9Tb*m*L}}HC~{>/__Od\I=[|aP6s}B %BhqtE-9uGJ0J3jchjcyJz5fW[i0$RfPv7Zp=!a+0pR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa0" Content-ID: <27918.787232825.0@sco.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 06:47:07 -0500 From: Dave Edmondson Message-ID: <9412121147.aa27928@zag.netlab.london.sco.com> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <27918.787232825.1@sco.com> : 9wm is particularly handy for users who are constantly moving back : and forth between Plan 9 and X windows i wish i had this problem. 9wm works well for me, with two problems: - if i use a proportionally spaced font the menus are a bit wild, - i have a two-headed display. 9wm doesn't deal with two displays (which i can live with - i just run two 9wm's), but a bigger problem is that selecting a window on one screen causes a grab on the display, so that if i move my mouse to the other screen it _looks_ as though i have selected a window (border is dark), but the `other' 9wm has grabbed the keyboard focus. i have to select another window on the new screen and then go back to the one i really want. did i explain that right ? hmm. sounds more complicated than it actually is. anyway, here's a patch for the first problem: ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <27918.787232825.2@sco.com> Content-Description: grab.c diffs *** 1.1 1994/12/12 11:34:52 --- 1.2 1994/12/12 11:41:19 *************** *** 66,74 **** return -1; dx = 0; for (n = 0; m->item[n]; n++) { ! wide = strlen(m->item[n]) * font->max_bounds.width + 4; if (wide > dx) dx = wide; } wide = dx; --- 66,74 ---- return -1; dx = 0; for (n = 0; m->item[n]; n++) { ! wide = XTextWidth(font, m->item[n], strlen(m->item[n])) + 4; if (wide > dx) dx = wide; } wide = dx; *************** *** 163,171 **** XFillRectangle(dpy, menuwin, gc, 0, cur*high, wide, high); break; case Expose: for (i = 0; i < n; i++) { ! tx = (wide - strlen(m->item[i])*font->max_bounds.width)/2; ty = i*high + font->ascent + 1; XDrawString(dpy, menuwin, gc, tx, ty, m->item[i], strlen(m->item[i])); } if (cur >= 0 && cur < n) --- 163,171 ---- XFillRectangle(dpy, menuwin, gc, 0, cur*high, wide, high); break; case Expose: for (i = 0; i < n; i++) { ! tx = (wide - XTextWidth(font, m->item[i], strlen(m->item[i]))) / 2; ty = i*high + font->ascent + 1; XDrawString(dpy, menuwin, gc, tx, ty, m->item[i], strlen(m->item[i])); } if (cur >= 0 && cur < n) ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <27918.787232825.3@sco.com> great work ! dave. -- Dave Edmondson, The Santa Cruz Operation, davided@sco.com How many retired bricklayers from FLORIDA are out purchasing PENCIL SHARPENERS right NOW?? ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Dec 12 06:42:51 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291822>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 06:30:53 -0500 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.16.10]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291795>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 06:30:33 -0500 Received: from hazard.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA11186 (5.65c/HUJI 4.153 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:29:18 +0200 Received: from localhost by hazard.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA11610 (5.65c/HUJI 4.144 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:28:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199412121128.AA11610@hazard.cs.huji.ac.il> To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: 9wm: A Lightweight X Window Manager in the style of 8 1/2 In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 12 Dec 94 19:36:23 EST. Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 06:28:22 -0500 From: Amos Shapir Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Now all we need as the opposite -- a more versatile window manager which can do on P9 what mwm does on X. (Yes, I know, wait for ACME in the next release....) -- Amos Shapir Net: amos@cs.huji.ac.il Paper: The Hebrew Univ. of Jerusalem, Dept. of Comp. Science. Givat-Ram, Jerusalem 91904, Israel Tel: +972 2 585706,586950 GEO: 35 11 46 E / 31 46 21 N >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Dec 12 11:42:01 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292150>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:24:37 -0500 Received: from menkar.cs.utk.edu ([128.169.94.59]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292046>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:24:04 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu by menkar.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id LAA27683; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:23:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199412121623.LAA27683@menkar.cs.utk.edu> To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: How I get my Plan 9 CD-ROM In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:20:46 EST." <199412112320.KAA16061@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:23:49 -0500 From: Andrew Cowell Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans In message <199412112320.KAA16061@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au>, CJS Vance writes: > philw@plan9.research.att.com wrote: > | You MUST be affiliated with an academic institution. > | The letter must be on a department letter head and > | the letter must be signed by a faculty member. > > Hmm, > > I sent a letter on 20 September to Ms Kuckreja, and have had no response > whatsoever. I understand a previous letter (sent by someone else) expressing Our lab manager sent a letter 9/19...I'm not sure it was signed by a a faculty member. After receiving no response, a faculty member wrote on 11/3. We still have received absolutely no response. I hope that the delays are prompted by the pending release of the new version, but any information back from Bell would be appreciated. -- Andrew E. B. Cowell | You picked up your flag and kissed it Sys Admin, Computer Science Department | with your black volcanic lipstick. The University of Tennessee, Knoxville | Now I'm simply your statistic... WWW: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~cowell/ | Count me out! (Legendary Pink Dots) >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Dec 12 12:38:12 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292793>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:23:07 -0500 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu ([130.207.3.207]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292623>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:22:31 -0500 Received: from penfold.cc.gatech.edu (arnold@penfold.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.3.249]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA23013 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:22:11 -0500 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by penfold.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA07387 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:22:09 -0500 From: arnold@cc.gatech.edu (Arnold Robbins) Message-Id: <199412121722.MAA07387@penfold.cc.gatech.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:22:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: Amos Shapir's 31-line message on Dec 12, 6:28am X-Ultrix: Just Say NO! X-Important-Saying: Premature Optimization Is The Root Of All Evil. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: 9wm: A Lightweight X Window Manager in the style of 8 1/2 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I'd rather have something like acme for unix and x. sigh... >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 13 05:25:29 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292041>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 05:14:08 -0500 Received: from gateway.sequent.com ([138.95.18.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292033>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 05:13:50 -0500 Received: from sequent.sequent.com by gateway.sequent.com (5.61/1.34) id AA09198; Tue, 13 Dec 94 02:13:32 -0800 Received: by sequent.sequent.com (5.65/1.34) id AA17109; Tue, 13 Dec 94 02:13:24 -0800 Received: by sequent via UUCP from amsqnt; Tue Dec 13 11:14:31 1994 Received: by amsqnt.nl.sequent.com (5.65/1.34) id AA07078; Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:14:31 +0100 From: Hans van de Looy Message-Id: <9412131014.AA07078@amsqnt.nl.sequent.com> Subject: Re: How I get my Plan 9 CD-ROM To: cse.psu.edu!plan9-fans@sequent.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 05:14:30 -0500 Priority: *URGT* In-Reply-To: <199412101107.MAA21193@chsun.eunet.ch>; from "Frederick L. Born" at Dec 10, 94 6:08 am Organization: Sequent Computer Systems B.V. Country: the Netherlands Phone: +31-3406-66070 Fax: +31-3406-66054 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Frederick L. Born wrote: ! ! >Frederick, ! > ! >My question is how did you get the CD-ROM from AT&T??? ! > ! >What do you have to do to get them to send it??? ! > ! >Information would be greatly appreciated??? ! > ! >Thank You, ! > ! >Mike Marshall ! >mmarshal@spd.dsccc.com ! ! Mike, ! ! I was very surprised about your mail. Is it realy so hard to get one of this ! CD-ROM's? Well here's how I made it: ! ! 1. write a letter by mail (snail-mail) to Neera Kuckreja at AT&T ! 2. explain why you need Plan 9, maybe what you especially want to do ! 3. give some information about your person (if you are at an university ! give some information about your faculty) ! 4. after this Neera will send you an agreement. If you can agree to the ! terms and conditions you sign it and send it back ! 5. some days later (in my case about 14 days) you will receive a parcel ! from AT&T at your front-door ! ! well that's it - ...abracadabra... - here's your CD-ROM. Sounds nice, but it's ! true! ! ! Frederick ! My case is perhaps a bit more complicated. I am not working for an University, but am a member of a Computer Club (called Eindhovense Computer Associatie). Yeah, they are still popular in Europe (at least in the Netherlands). And as a member of that club (so pure hobby) interested in obtaining a Plan-9 licence for our club (non-profit, just for fun/education organisation). Therefor I want to ask you the following questions: 1) Is it possible for such an organisation to obtain a licence? 2) What are the costs involved? -- Kind Regards, Hans van de Looy. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 13 14:27:24 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294758>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:07:46 -0500 Received: from weaver-gw.netapp.com ([198.95.224.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294760>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:07:28 -0500 Received: from netapp.com ([192.9.200.1]) by weaver.netapp.com with SMTP id <15925>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:07:29 -0000 Received: from ghoti.netapp.com by netapp.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00238; Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:08:34 PST Received: by ghoti.netapp.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12127; Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:05:14 PST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:05:14 -0500 From: byron@netapp.com (Byron Rakitzis) Message-Id: <9412131905.AA12127@ghoti.netapp.com> To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: 9term Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Has anyone else noticed scrollbar flicker with 9term? I haven't looked at the source yet, but I imagine it arises from the X server actually painting the scrollbar grey and then white one time for each keystroke. I don't want to guess at a solution, other than that it could be done right in 9term by erasing and redrawing a smaller portion of the scrollbar. My own window system avoided this problem by having the server do double buffering -- it gave everything a very smooth feel. I find the flicker pretty annoying, actually. I'll see what I can do to fix it, but I thought I'd look around to see what interest there was for a solution. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 13 15:01:05 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294799>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:48:52 -0500 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu ([130.207.3.207]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294806>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:44:22 -0500 Received: from penfold.cc.gatech.edu (arnold@penfold.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.3.249]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA29979 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:33:13 -0500 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by penfold.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA09637 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:33:12 -0500 From: arnold@cc.gatech.edu (Arnold Robbins) Message-Id: <199412131933.OAA09637@penfold.cc.gatech.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:33:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: Byron Rakitzis's 37-line message on Dec 13, 2:05pm X-Ultrix: Just Say NO! X-Important-Saying: Premature Optimization Is The Root Of All Evil. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: 9fans Subject: Re: 9term Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I've noticed the flicker. It is only a problem in a new 9term. As the amount of buffered text grows, the flicker rapidly decreases... I think somewhat earlier versions of 9term didn't do this, but I never bothered to complain when it first started happening. Arnold >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 13 20:25:14 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295152>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:16:48 -0500 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295151>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:16:30 -0500 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from matty for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:16:08 +1100 To: plan9-fans Message-ID: <19941214121347.12978.frobozz@staff.cs.su.oz.au> In-Reply-To: <9412131905.AA12127@ghoti.netapp.com> From: matty@cs.usyd.edu.au (James Matthew Farrow) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:13:47 -0500 X-Name: James Matthew Farrow X-Mailer: Frobozz Magic Mailer [1.5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: Subject: Re: 9term Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Has anyone else noticed scrollbar flicker with 9term? I have! ;-) Yes, the scrollbar gets set on each key stroke. One thing I've been meaning to do for a while is fix it to only draw it when the scroll bar _changes_. Things pile up 'though. Matty. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Dec 13 20:36:16 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <295157>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:29:20 -0500 Received: from weaver-gw.netapp.com ([198.95.224.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <295163>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:29:02 -0500 Received: from netapp.com ([192.9.200.1]) by weaver.netapp.com with SMTP id <15925>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 17:28:54 -0000 Received: from nova.netapp.com by netapp.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07464; Tue, 13 Dec 94 17:30:00 PST Received: by nova.netapp.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27783; Tue, 13 Dec 94 17:27:59 PST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:27:59 -0500 From: byron@netapp.com (Byron Rakitzis) Message-Id: <9412140127.AA27783@nova.netapp.com> To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: 9term Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I am looking at putting my own klugey hack in to fix this by caching the previous value of the scrollbar parameters. I'll send it to you if I get it working, and you can decide if you want to incorporate or not. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Dec 14 12:52:26 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292997>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:33:30 -0500 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu ([130.207.3.207]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292994>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:32:33 -0500 Received: from penfold.cc.gatech.edu (arnold@penfold.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.3.249]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28767; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:32:15 -0500 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by penfold.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA10895; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:32:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:32:10 -0500 From: arnold@cc.gatech.edu (Arnold Robbins) Message-Id: <199412141732.MAA10895@penfold.cc.gatech.edu> To: 9fans, sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Subject: new version of 9menu available Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans In ftp://ftp.cc.gatech.edu/people/arnold/9menu-1.1.shar.gz is a new version of 9menu. This uses XTextWidth for the menu, and adds a -shell option. Enjoy, Arnold >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Dec 14 13:16:50 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293043>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:08:17 -0500 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu ([130.207.3.207]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293046>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:07:38 -0500 Received: from penfold.cc.gatech.edu (arnold@penfold.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.3.249]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA00194; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:07:22 -0500 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by penfold.cc.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA10964; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:07:21 -0500 From: arnold@cc.gatech.edu (Arnold Robbins) Message-Id: <199412141807.NAA10964@penfold.cc.gatech.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:07:20 -0500 X-Ultrix: Just Say NO! X-Important-Saying: Premature Optimization Is The Root Of All Evil. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: 9fans, sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Subject: 9menu, permissions Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Ooops. Fixed the permissions. Sorry 'bout that. --Arnold >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Dec 15 16:56:19 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293787>; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:32:27 -0500 Received: from zeta.eecs.nwu.edu ([129.105.5.105]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293790>; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:32:09 -0500 Received: by zeta.eecs.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0-proxy) id AA23276; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:26:52 CST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:26:52 -0500 From: quanstro@zeta.eecs.nwu.edu (goon) Message-Id: <9412152126.AA23276@zeta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: <9fans> Subject: 9term/9wm bugs? Apparently-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans 9wm -term /usr/local/bin/coolterm restart does not give 9wm a new idea of what the term progam should be one has to log out to reset its value also, on irix 4.05 i cannot edit unicode characters with the new 9term i can, however edit unicode with the old 9term. for example: ; echo fu echo not found erik >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Dec 16 01:48:05 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294100>; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:38:17 -0500 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293657>; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:33:48 -0500 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from dhog for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: staff.cs.su.oz.au); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 17:33:35 +1100 Received: from lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au. (insecurely) by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU. (Mail from dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au to plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:48:05 +1100 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:30:05 -0500 From: David Hogan To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: 9term/9wm bugs? Message-Id: <94Dec16.013348est.293657@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >9wm -term /usr/local/bin/coolterm restart >does not give 9wm a new idea of what the term progam should be >one has to log out to reset its value I'm afraid it's working as designed... :-) I considered doing things the way you've suggested, but decided that it wasn't worth the effort. Sorry... I don't think it's that much of a hardship, there aren't that many options to 9wm, and it's not like you'd want to change them frequently. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Dec 16 10:18:38 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292140>; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:02:27 -0500 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292136>; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:02:05 -0500 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from matty for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:01:18 +1100 To: plan9-fans Message-ID: <19941217015827.2737.frobozz@staff.cs.su.oz.au> In-Reply-To: <9412152126.AA23276@zeta.eecs.nwu.edu> From: matty@cs.usyd.edu.au (James Matthew Farrow) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:58:27 -0500 X-Name: James Matthew Farrow X-Mailer: Frobozz Magic Mailer [1.5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: Subject: Re: 9term/9wm bugs? Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:26:52 -0500 From: quanstro@zeta.eecs.nwu.edu (goon) Message-Id: <9412152126.AA23276@zeta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: 9term/9wm bugs? Apparently-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu [...] also, on irix 4.05 i cannot edit unicode characters with the new 9term i can, however edit unicode with the old 9term. for example: ; echo fu echo not found It sounds like the terminal is operating in raw mode. This can happen if your terminal settings are weird or when you're connected to another machine using telnet or rsh. It does raise the point that perhaps 9term should send multiple backspaces when backspacing over a multibyte character. Comments? Matty. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Dec 21 09:29:08 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293904>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:08:41 -0500 Received: from obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de ([134.109.132.55]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293886>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:08:14 -0500 Received: from sunnyboy.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de by obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de with Local SMTP (PP) id <09593-0@obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:05:01 +0100 Received: from zeta.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de by sunnyboy.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14308; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:04:58 +0100 From: Andre.Suhr@Informatik.TU-Chemnitz.DE (Andre Suhr) Received: by zeta.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (4.1/client-1.5) id AA02874; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:04:57 +0100 Message-Id: <9412211404.AA02874@zeta.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de> Subject: Problem with authentication To: plan9-fans Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:04:56 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 0 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Dec 21 09:47:19 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294412>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:33:19 -0500 Received: from obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de ([134.109.132.55]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294491>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:28:42 -0500 Received: from sunnyboy.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de by obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de with Local SMTP (PP) id <10094-0@obelix.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:22:56 +0100 Received: from zeta.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de by sunnyboy.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14516; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:22:54 +0100 From: Andre.Suhr@Informatik.TU-Chemnitz.DE (Andre Suhr) Received: by zeta.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (4.1/client-1.5) id AA02993; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:22:52 +0100 Message-Id: <9412211422.AA02993@zeta.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de> Subject: trouble with authentication To: plan9-fans Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:22:51 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 763 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi, I'm insatlling Plan 9 on two SPARCstation ELC with even 12 MByte Ram . I've got trouble when I try to start the authentication file system(keyfs). On terminal it prints out: term% auth/wrkey Password: onfirm password: auth/wrkey: can't open nvram I don't (but I believe) that also is the reason for following effect: After rebooting plan9 file server Icannot mount the root of the file server as root of my terminal. What can I do to solve my problems ??? Regards, Andre ------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Andre Suhr Institute: Technische Universitaet Chemnitz-Zwickau Fakultaet fuer Informatik E-Mail: asu@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Dec 21 10:06:52 1994 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <294696>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:54:50 -0500 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294736>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:54:24 -0500 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <3290>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:54:09 -0500 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: trouble with authentication Message-Id: <94Dec21.095409edt.3290@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:53:54 -0500 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Andre.Suhr@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Andre Suhr) wrote: > I'm insatlling Plan 9 on two SPARCstation ELC with even 12 MByte Ram > . I've got trouble when I try to start the authentication file > system(keyfs). On terminal it prints out: > term% auth/wrkey > Password: > onfirm password: > auth/wrkey: can't open nvram Terminals don't use the nvram, you'll have to boot your system as a cpu server in order to setup the authentication server. There are more details about this in the installation guide I wrote (available from the web site http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/) but things will probably change a lot when the next release is out. 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