>From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jan 2 10:58:03 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292027>; Mon, 2 Jan 1995 10:24:14 -0500 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292021>; Mon, 2 Jan 1995 10:19:13 -0500 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189520>; Mon, 2 Jan 1995 16:17:43 +0100 Received: from balrog by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29678; Mon, 2 Jan 95 16:17:37 +0100 From: bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9501021517.AA29678@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by balrog (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA00460; Mon, 2 Jan 95 16:17:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 10:17:32 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: 9fans@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Subject: pcc & 8 1/2 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi, I wish you a 'HAPPY NEW YEAR'. Is it possible to develop an 81/2 application with the pcc - ape C compiler driver? I've got the following loader messages: berror: undefined: perror JMPL ,perror+0(SB) estart: undefined: pipe JMPL ,pipe+0(SB) Thanks for your help. -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jan 3 12:54:45 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293694>; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 12:36:00 -0500 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293691>; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 12:35:35 -0500 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189463>; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:34:40 +0100 Received: from balrog by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20122; Tue, 3 Jan 95 18:34:33 +0100 From: bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9501031734.AA20122@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by balrog (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA02540; Tue, 3 Jan 95 18:34:27 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 12:34:27 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: plan9-fans Subject: pcc & libg.a Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi, is it possible to develop a application with .../ape/libg.a and pcc? The following programm #define _LIBG_EXTENSION #define _POSIX_SOURCE # include # include void ereshaped(Rectangle r ) { } endles(Bitmap * screen) { fprintf(stderr, "~~~~~\n"); while ( ecanread(~0) ) fprintf(stderr, "ecanread\n"); } void main(void) { binit(0,0, "local_label"); einit(Ekeyboard|Emouse); endles( & screen ); } terminates in the in .../ape/libg.a(event.c:static void extract()) Is there anybody out there, who can help? Thanks for your help. Hans-Peter >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jan 7 08:55:55 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291839>; Sat, 7 Jan 1995 08:31:56 -0500 Received: from corinna.its.utas.edu.au ([131.217.10.51]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291838>; Sat, 7 Jan 1995 08:31:37 -0500 Received: from dslip22.cc.utas.edu.au by corinna.its.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA05366 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 00:31:21 +1100 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 08:31:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199501071331.AA05366@corinna.its.utas.edu.au> X-Sender: p_aikins@postoffice.utas.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: 9fans From: p_aikins@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Peter Aikins) Subject: Installation of Plan 9 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi all! Could someone tell me how to go about installing plan 9 on my PC? I got the file "9pcdisk" but don't know what to do with it. pete /******************************************/ Peter Aikins. Student: Electronics & Computer Eng. Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. Phone: (002) 672 705 Note: The views expressed in this email are mine and mine alone! /*****************************************/ >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jan 12 06:05:35 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292625>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:52:14 -0500 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292546>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:51:39 -0500 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189481>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:50:51 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189503>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:14:38 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189484>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:47:36 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189474>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:01:53 +0100 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189462>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:44:15 +0100 Received: from balrog by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21891; Thu, 12 Jan 95 09:31:53 +0100 From: bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9501120831.AA21891@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by balrog (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA11191; Thu, 12 Jan 95 09:30:38 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:30:38 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: plan9-fans Subject: kc & include & comment Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi, i have problems to comment a include-line in a C source file. C_Test cat include.c #include void main(void) {} C_Test kc -c include.c ok C_Test cat ooh_include.c #include /* failed */ void main(void) {} C_Test kc -c ooh_include.c ooh_include.c:1 syntax in #include oops -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jan 12 11:36:29 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <293469>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:25:17 -0500 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <293439>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:20:33 -0500 From: rob@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:09:44 -0500 Subject: Re: kc & include & comment Message-Id: <95Jan12.112033est.293439@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans C_Test cat ooh_include.c #include /* failed */ void main(void) {} It's a silly restriction of the C compilers that it can't handle comments on preprocessor lines. It should at least be documented. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jan 13 19:27:14 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <296315>; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 19:15:07 -0500 Received: from weaver-gw.netapp.com ([198.95.224.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <296313>; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 19:14:47 -0500 Received: from netapp.com ([192.9.200.1]) by weaver.netapp.com with SMTP id <15925>; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:14:41 -0000 Received: from ghoti.netapp.com by netapp.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03655; Fri, 13 Jan 95 16:13:23 PST Received: by ghoti.netapp.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03842; Fri, 13 Jan 95 16:11:46 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 19:11:46 -0500 From: byron@netapp.com (Byron Rakitzis) Message-Id: <9501140011.AA03842@ghoti.netapp.com> To: plan9-fans Subject: estart() in libg Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans [I am talking about libXg but I assume the same applies to plan9 libg] I can use estart() to register a file descriptor with the libg library, but I don't see a way to *remove* a file descriptor. Suppose my program wishes to add fd==4, and then the channel on fd #4 is closed. A subsequent open returns fd==4 again. Will/can the file descriptor be re-registered? Does libg handle this case? >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jan 14 03:08:07 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291767>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 03:00:02 -0500 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291764>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 02:59:28 -0500 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from dhog for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 18:59:23 +1100 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 03:58:56 -0500 From: dhog@staff.cs.su.oz.au (David Hogan) Subject: 9wm: version 1.1 now available To: plan9-fans Message-Id: <95Jan14.025928est.291764@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans A new version of 9wm is now available. This fixes most of the bugs that have been reported. (The major exception is that multi-screen displays are still unsupported). The problem with popups of Open Look clients not appearing has been resolved. The new version may be obtained by anonymous ftp from ftp.cs.su.oz.au, in directory /usr/ftp/dhog/9wm. Get patch1.Z if you already have version 1.0, otherwise get 9wm-1.1.shar.Z. Thanks to all the people who contributed bug reports and fixes. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jan 14 09:06:00 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <291796>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:57:50 -0500 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291788>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:57:15 -0500 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189458>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:21:40 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189465>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:19:17 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189458>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:13:42 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189452>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:09:26 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189458>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:05:10 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189452>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:00:55 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189465>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:56:39 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189452>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:52:23 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189465>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:48:08 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189452>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:43:52 +0100 Received: by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE via suspension id <189465>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:39:36 +0100 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189442>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:35:21 +0100 Received: from balrog by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04174; Sat, 14 Jan 95 11:35:14 +0100 From: bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9501141035.AA04174@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by balrog (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA01410; Sat, 14 Jan 95 11:35:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 05:35:13 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: plan9-fans Subject: macro expansion Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans The program: % cat failed.c #include #include #define x(p) printf("Macro expansion %d\n", p ); static void * Point() { int x; } main() {} The problem: Macros kc failed.c failed.c:7 syntax in macro expansion: x failed.c:8 syntax error, last name: x The inexplicable: % cpp failed.c | kc -o failed.k % kl failed.k Thanks for your help. -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jan 14 09:56:50 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292110>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:47:50 -0500 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292112>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:47:13 -0500 From: rob@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:46:55 -0500 Message-Id: <95Jan14.094713est.292112@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans failed.c:7 syntax in macro expansion: x I don't understand why you keep beating on this. The documentation states clearly that the C compilers do not honor ANSI's standard for preprocessing. It also says that if you want a real preprocessor, use cpp, which is provided. One reason is protest: the ANSI preprocessor definition is needlessly baroque. The real reason, though, is simplification, not only in the compiler, but in the programs that result. I could argue back that making a variable have the same name as a macro is bad style. If you want to test whether the letter of the law is met by the preprocessor in the C compiler, you're going to be disappointed. If you'd like a fast compiler that discourages tricky preprocessing, you'll be happy. As for us, we're happy. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jan 14 10:23:50 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <292151>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:18:36 -0500 Received: from night.primate.wisc.edu ([144.92.43.19]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292153>; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:18:20 -0500 Received: by night.primate.wisc.edu; id JAA01209; 8.6.9/41.8; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:19:19 -0600 From: Paul DuBois Message-Id: <199501141519.JAA01209@night.primate.wisc.edu> Subject: preprocessing To: plan9-fans Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:19:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: <95Jan14.094713est.292112@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> from "rob@plan9.research.att.com" at Jan 14, 95 09:46:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 520 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > failed.c:7 syntax in macro expansion: x > >I don't understand why you keep beating on this. >The documentation states clearly that the C compilers >do not honor ANSI's standard for preprocessing. >It also says that if you want a real preprocessor, >use cpp, which is provided. The example file doesn't even pass through 2 of the "real" (although pre-ANSI) cpp's on my 3 UNIX boxes. "argument mismatch" due to defining x(arg) as a macro and then later using x as a variable name. Paul DuBois dubois@primate.wisc.edu >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jan 16 04:33:08 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34129>; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 04:20:48 -0500 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33985>; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 04:19:31 -0500 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189468>; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:16:46 +0100 Received: from balrog by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12333; Mon, 16 Jan 95 10:11:49 +0100 From: bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) Message-Id: <9501160911.AA12333@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by balrog (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA03200; Mon, 16 Jan 95 10:11:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 04:11:46 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: plan9-fans Subject: preprocessing Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Sorry. I understand: the question was very stupid. -hp >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jan 20 03:36:11 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34067>; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:25:59 -0500 Received: from gloria.cord.edu ([138.129.1.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34061>; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:24:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (tjohnson@localhost) by gloria.cord.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id CAA25760 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 02:26:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:26:26 -0500 From: Protius Message-Id: <199501200826.CAA25760@gloria.cord.edu> To: plan9-fans Subject: sparc cpu server Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans I am trying to get a Solboure series 4 500 sparcstation clone to be my cpu server. The first time I tried to get it to boot plan 9, it refused to load, saying that the entry point of the kernel conflicted with its rom. I attempted to relocate the kernel by changing the -T 0xE0004000 argument in the mk file to -T 0xFFFF0000. Then, I can get it to start to tftp its kernel, but then afer it rotates its / a few times, it stops dead. My personal theory is that more then just the -T in the link needs to be changed, but I have no idea where the others are. Is there a guide to the kernel somwhere? Specifics: file server: a BSDI machine running u9fs. rarp and tftp server: either a 386, or a nextstation running plan 9. potential cpu server: a Solbourne series 4 500, with nothing on the SCSI bus (it usualy runs unix, and I remove the drives "just in case" (it is properly terminated)) One processor, 32megs of ram. The console is a vt200 on serial port A. There is a framebuffer, but I can't use it. (no monitor/keyboard) Thanks in advance! -Tommy tjohnson@cobber.cord.edu >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jan 20 18:32:19 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34094>; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:21:22 -0500 Received: from oak.cse.ucsc.edu ([128.114.24.63]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34093>; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:20:48 -0500 Received: (from dlong@localhost) by oak.cse.ucsc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA24280 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 15:20:42 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:20:42 -0500 From: "Dean R. E. Long" Message-Id: <199501202320.PAA24280@oak.cse.ucsc.edu> To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: sparc cpu server Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Starting the kernel at 0xFFFF0000 doesn't give you much space. Also I think the 0x4000 offset is significant. Have you tried 0xf0004000 or perhaps 0xf8004000? dl >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jan 21 20:04:57 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34109>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:58:21 -0500 Received: from plan9.research.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34106>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:58:03 -0500 From: philw@plan9.research.att.com To: plan9-fans Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:56:48 -0500 Subject: re: sparc cpu server Message-Id: <95Jan21.195803est.34106@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans there are many constants which require changing if you want to move a kernel. Most of them are to be found in mem.h, some are in l.s >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jan 21 21:21:31 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34113>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 21:13:05 -0500 Received: from elroy.jpl.nasa.gov ([137.78.120.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34106>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 21:11:23 -0500 Received: from isolar.UUCP by elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXR) id AA25020; Sat, 21 Jan 95 18:11:04 PST Received: from isolar by isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (4.1/SATAN-6.6.6) id AA18383; Sat, 21 Jan 95 17:47:29 PST Message-Id: <9501220147.AA18383@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: SPARC CPU server In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:56:48 EST." <95Jan21.195803est.34106@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 20:47:19 -0500 From: Greg Earle Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Phil W. wrote: > There are many constants which require changing if you want to move a kernel. > Most of them are to be found in mem.h, some are in l.s. I suspect this doesn't matter much. The real problem is that the original poster has a Solbourne Series 4000 workstation, which last I checked was most definitely *not* a "clone" of a SPARCstation-2, or any other Sun desktop box. There were some noticable differences. - Greg >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jan 21 22:28:02 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34112>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 22:22:11 -0500 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34106>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 22:21:31 -0500 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <3987>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 22:20:52 -0500 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: plan 9 bof at usenix last week Message-Id: <95Jan21.222052edt.3987@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 22:20:41 -0500 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans can someone who was there please post a summary? >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sun Jan 22 17:22:45 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34106>; Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:15:56 -0500 Received: from mailgw.claircom.com ([199.5.241.51]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34094>; Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:15:04 -0500 Received: from torpedo.claircom.com by mailgw.claircom.com with smtp (Smail3.1.26.7 #2) id m0rWAYe-0004u7C; Sun, 22 Jan 95 14:14 PST Received: by torpedo.claircom.com (Smail3.1.26.7 #2) id m0rWAYd-0001MiC; Sun, 22 Jan 95 14:14 PST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:14:00 -0500 From: grs@claircom.com (Gregg Siegfried) To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: plan 9 bof at usenix Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Since I've not seen a summary, and it will be fairly short, I'll give you the rundown. I'm doing this from memory, so I may be corrected. The Mary K^H^H^H^H^H^HPlan 9 BOF was fairly short. Rob Pike preannounced that AT&T will be making Plan 9 available as an unsupported product in March or so. When I think unsupported product, I think about the old toolchest stuff, but I get the idea that this may be slightly different. The CDROM will have source and binary for 4 architectures: Intel 386 SPARC MIPS 680x0 The CD contains *all* source except: cfront, ksh, and crypt. The first two are AT&T products that sell for substantially more than $500 and are peripheral to plan 9, and crypt has export restrictions. But as Rob put it "You can get DES anywhere". 4 floppies will also be enclosed that contain a runnable, binary system for the Intel. Images of these floppies may be available on the net subsequent to the release. The cost will be <$500 All the plan 9 favorites will be included, such as Alef, acid, and acme. The system is a feature snapshot of about 12 months ago, but with fixes and improvements. New documentation will be released, and will be included on the CD as well as the ftp site. The format will be similar to other research releases, with a programmers manual volume and a papers volume. Finally, free space on the CD will be filled with music. After this annoucement, most questions revolved around specific hardware and whether support for it was included. I won't go into that. No discussion about technical features of plan 9 took place. I assume that this will change once the system is available. Ordering will involve the normal 800 number/credit card number protocol. If I missed anything, I'm sure it will be pointed out. I don't know about anyone else, but I was not expecting such an announcement, and I'm quite excited about it, although the AT&T corporate raider department recently schlurped up my company, so I could probably get it independently. :-( Lastly, I should probably explain the "Mary K" stuff at that top: New Orleans was host to 6000 Mary Kay saleswomen simultaneous to USENIX, many in the same hotel. I'm unsure which group was more puzzled by the other. Gregg Siegfried grs@claircom.com >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sun Jan 22 18:00:48 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34114>; Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:56:44 -0500 Received: from amalthea.tenon.com ([192.83.246.41]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34094>; Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:56:04 -0500 Received: by amalthea.tenon.com (5.64/Tenon-1.35.01) id AA00508; Sun, 22 Jan 95 14:48:53 -0800 (PST) From: grantham@amalthea.tenon.com (grantham) Message-Id: <9501222248.AA00508@amalthea.tenon.com> Subject: Re: plan 9 bof at usenix To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:01:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: from "Gregg Siegfried" at Jan 22, 95 05:14:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 919 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > [...]Rob Pike preannounced > that AT&T will be making Plan 9 available as an unsupported product in > March or so. When I think unsupported product, I think about the old > toolchest stuff, but I get the idea that this may be slightly different. For those of us who are implication-impaired (tm), does this mean that it will be available to the general public a la Linux or Gnu software? Did he only announce a new release or does this mean that us non-academic Plan9-fan-wannabes be able to get a copy? > Images of these floppies may be available on the net > subsequent to the release. Did he mean publicly? -Brad -- Brad Grantham, grantham@tenon.com ** Diet caffeine-free Coca-Cola is really just brown water with bubbles. ** I've learned from a little CMOS design that soldering irons really are VERY hot. ** A backflip a day keeps comfort away! ** CUSeeMe : 192.83.246.41 ** http://acm.vt.edu/~grantham/ >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Sun Jan 22 18:21:25 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34115>; Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:16:54 -0500 Received: from mailgw.claircom.com ([199.5.241.51]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34094>; Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:16:37 -0500 Received: from torpedo.claircom.com by mailgw.claircom.com with smtp (Smail3.1.26.7 #2) id m0rWBWI-0004u7C; Sun, 22 Jan 95 15:16 PST Received: by torpedo.claircom.com (Smail3.1.26.7 #2) id m0rWBWH-0001MiC; Sun, 22 Jan 95 15:16 PST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:16:00 -0500 From: grs@claircom.com (Gregg Siegfried) To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: plan 9 bof at usenix Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > Did he only announce a new release or does this mean that us non-academic > Plan9-fan-wannabes be able to get a copy? > > Did he mean publicly? > Sorry. I guess I was being a bit vague. I actually forget that plan9 is available now to academic sites. The bottom line is that as of March (possible Uniforum announcement), Plan 9 will be available to anyone with $499.95%, regardless of academic or commercial affiliation. There is a license involved, in that you, as an individual, are free to use, modify and enhance the system. However, if you want to resell it, or make money from it, you must talk to AT&T to negotiate a special license. The licensing terms are not completely defined yet, and I got the distinct impression that that is one of the reasons it isn't available now. Site versus individual license terms are also TBD. % "$499.95" is not the price of the software. All Rob had on his viewgraph slide was "<$500". I assume the next few months will be spent hashing out pricing and licensing. Gregg Siegfried grs@claircom.com >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jan 24 05:46:56 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34172>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 05:30:49 -0500 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34161>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 05:30:14 -0500 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 04:31:44 -0500 To: <9fans@cs.psu.edu> subject: new plan 9 release ... Message-Id: <95Jan24.053014est.34161@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans are penn and teller doing the television adverts for it? >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jan 24 14:44:00 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34022>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 14:28:14 -0500 Received: from swss00.isbe.ch ([193.5.81.10]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34018>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 14:27:49 -0500 Received: by swss00.isbe.ch (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA21921; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 20:27:25 +0100 Received: by swsc25.isbe.ch (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00384; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 20:27:22 +0100 Message-Id: <9501241927.AA00384@swsc25.isbe.ch> To: 9fans Subject: access to local fs Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 14:27:16 -0500 From: b16kis@isbe.ch X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Hi there, we set up a standalone Plan 9 System on an PC, which we can boot with the 9pcdisk-kernel directly from the local harddisk. The system boots correct, but we neither can't launch sam under 8 1/2 nor append a directory to the root. See the next lines as an example for the latter problem. cd / mkdir test can't create test mounted directory forbids creation We are not shure if the files termrc and namespace contain the correct commands. Is there anybody out there who had the same problem or can give us any information on solving our problems? Maybe a listing of hers/his termrc and namespace files. best regards, Frederick L. Born Juraj Kis >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jan 25 02:16:11 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34031>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 01:28:19 -0500 Received: from Legato.COM ([137.69.1.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34030>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 01:28:01 -0500 Received: from jupiter.Legato.COM by Legato.COM (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA09538 for plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 24 Jan 95 22:27:43 PST Received: from stealth.Legato.COM by jupiter.Legato.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02815; Tue, 24 Jan 95 22:27:42 PST Received: by stealth.Legato.COM (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19105; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:27:40 -0800 From: dbecker@Legato.COM Message-Id: <9501250627.AA19105@stealth.Legato.COM> Subject: Any mention of Brazil? To: plan9-fans Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 01:27:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 66 Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans Was there any mention of Brazil at the Plan 9 BOF (or elsewhere)? >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jan 25 13:18:08 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34042>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:55:00 -0500 Received: from optima.cs.arizona.edu ([192.12.69.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34048>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:54:21 -0500 Received: from wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU by optima.cs.arizona.edu (5.65c/15) via SMTP id AA18102; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 10:53:49 MST Received: (from jdavis@localhost) by wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA25443; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 10:53:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:53:45 -0500 From: Jim Davis To: plan9-fans Subject: Re: Any mention of Brazil? In-Reply-To: <9501250627.AA19105@stealth.Legato.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans On Wed, 25 Jan 1995 dbecker@Legato.COM wrote: > Was there any mention of Brazil at the Plan 9 BOF (or elsewhere)? Rob Pike spoke here Monday about Brazil -- you can see an abstract of his talk if you point your web browser at http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/tics. The main points that I recall were dropping streams and replacing it with a simpler queued io system, because that's faster and the flexibility of pushing streams modules wasn't being used in practice, and changing the way video display worked so that you can send images directly to the frame buffer, bypassing the window manager. Also Brazil uses the concurrent language Alef. He's a very good speaker and you shouldn't miss a chance to hear him. >From plan9-fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jan 26 04:31:51 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34038>; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:22:47 -0500 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34058>; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:22:14 -0500 Received: from sympc93 (sympc93.symbionics.co.uk) by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26418; Thu, 26 Jan 95 09:19:56 GMT Message-Id: <9501260919.AA26418@symbionics.co.uk> From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Communications To: plan9-fans Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:18:58 -0500 Subject: Re: new plan 9 release ... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: owner-plan9-fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plan9-fans > are penn and teller doing the television adverts for it? Yes - I can see it now. Shot of someone staring in horror at a pile of software packaging including Netware, Windows 3.1/3.11/ 95/NT/(whatever it is called this week), OS/2, SunOS, Solaris, NFS, X11r6, Emacs; cut to Penn and Teller who chorus "Don't try this at home". It'd be better than their Persil advert anyway.