>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 1 03:42:45 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45761>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 03:28:47 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45760>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 03:28:30 -0400 Received: (ffabbroc@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.12+usc) id AAA08695; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 00:28:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 03:28:26 -0400 From: Frank Fabbrocino Message-Id: <199509010728.AAA08695@skat.usc.edu> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Install Plan 9 on a NeXT Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 References: <199508291210.FAA24061@skat.usc.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In comp.os.plan9 you write: >I just got my Plan 9 CD-ROM. I'd like to know how I can >install it on my NeXT Cube. >Thanks. >Ta-Wei "David" Li >Member, League for Programming Freedom >"Innovate, don't litigate." Gee, just get Windoze95 instead---I hear it is really good! ;) Later, Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Fabbrocino | OK, I admit it: My girlfriend's just University of Southern California | an object to me. Unfortunately there Computer Science | is some information hiding, but fabbroci@scf.usc.edu | thankfully, she's fairly encapsulated, University Computing Services | nicely modular, and has a very well ffabbroc@ucs.usc.edu | defined interface! ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 1 03:57:47 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45763>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 03:50:56 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45760>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 03:50:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 03:40:11 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: Install Plan 9 on a NeXT Message-Id: <95Sep1.035028edt.45760@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Gee, just get Windoze95 instead---I hear it is really good! ;) See http://www.micros0ft.com/ for further details (note the "0"). >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 1 10:18:41 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45771>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:03:50 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45742>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:03:14 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA39741; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:01:25 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA28514; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:00:05 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24720; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:00:03 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:00:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9509011400.AA24720@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> From: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Subject: Re: lp to BSD line printer daemons To: 9fans Content-Length: 1908 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <95Aug30.145807edt.34221@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu>, you write: |> i've updated our lp interface to BSD line printer daemons to work |> with the new edition of Plan 9. you can fetch the bundle from |> |> ftp.cs.york.ac.uk |> in |> pub/plan9/bsdlp.bundle |> |> bug reports, etc. to me. |> Hello! I'm trying to connect to ftp.cs.york.ac.uk for two days now, but unfortunately without success. Is your network conncetion ok? When I should try next? Thank you for an answer. Tschuess, Henner P.S: Here is the output of `traceroute ftp.cs.york.ac.uk': traceroute to ftp.cs.york.ac.uk (144.32.96.2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 mzh-a20.uni-bremen.de (134.102.20.250) 13 ms 3 ms 52 ms 2 WIN2M.uni-bremen.de (134.102.2.1) 17 ms 7 ms 8 ms 3 Duesseldorf2.WiN-IP.DFN.DE (188.1.133.67) 55 ms 53 ms 42 ms 4 ipgate2.win-ip.dfn.de (193.174.74.200) 37 ms 36 ms 41 ms 5 duesseldorf2.empb.net (193.172.4.12) 55 ms 74 ms 64 ms 6 london5.empb.net (193.172.4.36) 129 ms 75 ms 73 ms 7 eu-gw.ja.net (193.172.27.10) 98 ms 230 ms 163 ms 8 eu-gw.ja.net (193.62.157.41) 83 ms 113 ms 102 ms 9 smds-gw.ulcc.ja.net (193.63.94.12) 111 ms 118 ms 153 ms 10 smds-gw.york.ja.net (193.63.203.112) 168 ms 115 ms 136 ms 11 rome-c.cs.york.ac.uk (144.32.128.65) 153 ms 144 ms * 12 * * rome-c.cs.york.ac.uk (144.32.128.65) 1219 ms !H 13 * rome-c.cs.york.ac.uk (144.32.128.65) 1940 ms !H * 14 rome-c.cs.york.ac.uk (144.32.128.65) 2008 ms !H * 1914 ms !H -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 1 10:50:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45764>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:40:19 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45774>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:39:59 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:45:59 -0400 Subject: Re: lp to BSD line printer daemons Message-Id: <95Sep1.103959edt.45774@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>I'm trying to connect to ftp.cs.york.ac.uk for two days now, but unfortunately its Lance chip must have packed it in sometime late yesterday. i was using it early yesterday afternoon. anyhow, it's back now. traceroute relies on ICMP ping packets, and ftp's kernel hasn't got that protocol configured. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 1 11:03:55 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45774>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:52:54 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45754>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:52:26 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA39107; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:34:47 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA28538; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:33:27 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24757; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:33:24 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:33:24 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9509011433.AA24757@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: 9fans Subject: Re: lp to BSD line printer daemons Content-Length: 205 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm very sorry, I don't want to send my last mail to the list... (I think the biggest drawback of graphical interfaces is that you make more errors, because pressing a false button is very easy.) Henner >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 1 11:27:44 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34231>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:03:36 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34232>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:02:59 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03855; Fri, 1 Sep 95 16:02:34 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA22277; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:02:29 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01381; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:02:26 +0100 Message-Id: <9509011502.AA01381@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: disk partitioning X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:02:25 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 1124 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've got a disk on a Sun machine with enough space to stick a full plan 9 fs on it. The problem is figuring out the partitioning. Since I can't allocate all of the disk for Plan 9 (some folks here want to do real work. weird, but there you go...), I need to have the Plan 9 and Sun partition tables in accord. Thankfully, this isn't the Sun's boot disk. :-) Problem is, SunOS and Plan 9 have different ideas about the size of the disk. I presume this is just the operating systems reserving chunks for themselves, and being "safe" in the case of poor, befuddled users like myself, but it's not helping right now. Plan 9 (prep(8)) claims the disk has 4,194,685 sectors, which i take to be either 4,194,684 or 4,194,686, whatever. SunOS 5.3 claims that there are 4,154,160 accessible sectors out of 5,320,000. So, does anyone have any suggestions about how I work out how to map one into the other? A follow-up question about prep - since prep's default table consists of just plan 9 partitions, i presume it's ok, once prep's generated sdnpartition, to just edit said file with sam, to insert another partition? steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 2 09:44:07 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45478>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:30:37 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45476>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:30:21 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:15:02 -0400 Subject: re: disk partitioning Message-Id: <95Sep2.093021edt.45476@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans That's the idea. Or you could use disk/prep to do it. However, you can't change what it thinks is the total size of the disk, this is isn't in the table. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 2 10:30:17 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45479>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:20:44 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45476>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:20:28 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:14:51 -0400 Subject: fixes in the works Message-Id: <95Sep2.102028edt.45476@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans We have fixes in the works (with help from others) for the floppy disc read and Adaptec 1542CF timeout problems. These will hopefully be available for pick-up by ftp by this time next week. Source updates based on diffs to the distribution source should also start appearing soon. The hard disc partitioning problem will take longer to fix, but I've started working on it. Unfortunately it means doing a crash-course in booting OS/2 and Linux. Now, some specific questions: > From: pynq@ellis.uchicago.EDU (Jeremy Mathers) > Subject: Still can't get the demo version to install on any of my PCs. > ... > 3) On the laptop (386, 4 megs of memory), it got pretty far into > the installation, but then ran out of memory. (Message "No > physical memory" scrolls by over and over and then the > machine hung.) Installing the Plan 9 Distribution states 8Mb of memory is necessary. It might work with 6Mb. > From: pp000199@pop3.INTerramp.COM (Atindra Chaturvedi) > Subject: Plan9 on IBM Thinkpad installation > ... > 1. Plan9 does not boot from 2.84M diskette drive. > 2. Using 1.4M diskette drive and 810M IDE drive Plan9 boots but hd0 shows > up with zero heads and zero tracks but the right number of bytes. Later > on in the installation, while copying files I get >Problem copying files > and I/O errors etc. > 3. Using 1.4M diskette drive and 540M IDE drive Plan9 boots and hd0 shows > the correct geometry. Later on I have the same problem as in item 2 > above. > ... > I had the same diskette drive boot problem with earlier Linux kernels. > With the newer ones I have to enter the string "floppy=thinkpad" which > configures the kernel for the "inverted DCL bit", after which everything > works well. I suspect the same problem with Plan9 b.com !?! We don't have a Thinkpad. It's possible that the floppy driver fixes mentioned above will fix your problem with the 1.44Mb drive. Perhaps someone more familiar with the Thinkpad hardware can help with the 'inverted DCL' fix. When a hard disc geometry shows up with 0 heads and 0 tracks but the correct size it indicates that the drive is in LBA mode (the current b.com does not print values for heads and tracks in this case). > From: staffanu@tcs07.nada.kth.SE (Staffan Ulfberg) > Subject: Re: Installation problems:-( > ... > When b.com is started, it prints info about the hard drives it can > find on the screen; in my case: > > >hd0: 1669260 sectors 854661120 bytes > >hd1: 128 sectors 280559616 bytes (This is wrong! The drive is 560MB.) > (Exactly half of "real capacity"?) > ... > erroneous. Now, does anybody know: does b.com use the BIOS to read > the disk? Is it worth trying to change the BIOS addressing of the > drive (NORMAL/LBA/LARGE are possible choices). I already tried Yes, this is clearly wrong. As mentioned above, these drives are in LBA mode and the size is taken from the drive's response to an Ident command. Looking in the driver I can see a path to messing this up if the drive subsequently times-out doing a read of the supposedly last sector of the disc. I will check on this. The first thing b.com does is a BIOS call to set CGA mode. That's the only use of the BIOS. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 2 13:42:07 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45480>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:31:22 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45476>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:31:06 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:34:39 -0400 Subject: re: disk partitioning Message-Id: <95Sep2.133106edt.45476@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Problem is, SunOS and Plan 9 have different ideas about the size of the disk. I >>presume this is just the operating systems reserving chunks for themselves, and >>being "safe" in the case of poor, befuddled users like myself, but it's not >>helping right now. which SunOS command is showing the size? show us the output of format for that device, particularly: inquiry partition print i do not think it has much to do with safety. i am fairly sure that sunos is lying to make it easier for the people who supply and replace the hardware; it is also compensating for the history of RP06 (on a vax!) and SMD discs, and the dismal SCSI implementation on early discs used in Suns, none of which could do bad block replacement automatically. if you look at /etc/format.dat you might see what i mean. they have a host of `generic' device types (SUN0535, for instance). the cyl sizes are the minimum of any device that might be used as a `535 Mbyte' disc. the acyl value is a relic (which doesn't unfortunately mean you can forget about it). it's the amount of space reserved for `bad block replacement'. now, the value printed by Plan 9's disk/prep as the size of the disc is the value the device returned in response to a SCSI `get capacity' command. that value will work, in the sense that blocks up to that point can be read and written, provided the device is not in some insane state set by a mode page (and i doubt that it is). there is nothing to stop a device from having an odd number of blocks. if the system wants to use bigger logical blocks, it is its problem what to do with the extra block. one of the SCSI drives i'm using now shows 485601 as the Size of sd0disk. you can check the value by plugging the device into some other machine with something other than SunOS, although that might be a bad idea if you aren't absolutely sure that system won't scribble on it. i often check discs on our SGI machines, using the `fx' program, but the discs are normally empty to start with. anyhow, if you show the output for format, that might give more scope for speculation. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 2 13:52:00 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33981>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:36:11 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33967>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:35:39 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:42:28 -0400 subject: more partitioning Message-Id: <95Sep2.133539edt.33967@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>A follow-up question about prep - since prep's default table consists of >>just plan 9 partitions, i presume it's ok, once prep's generated sdnpartition, >>to just edit said file with sam, to insert another partition? i did something similar recently to eliminate the plan 9 partition table since i needed to mangle the magic string. for the more usual task of adding or deleting partitions, i still prefer to use prep, just because its little Overlap map has saved my bacon -- or at least my data -- more than once. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 2 14:54:04 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45481>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:43:52 -0400 Received: from party.fe.msk.ru ([193.124.11.85]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45482>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:39:31 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by party.fe.msk.ru (8.6.11/8.6.10) with UUCP id WAA09371 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 22:35:05 +0400 Received: (from dvd@localhost) by mida.pizza.msk.su (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA07948 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 21:44:21 +0400 From: David Tolpin Message-Id: <199509021744.VAA07948@mida.pizza.msk.su> Subject: plan9 on laptop To: 9fans Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:44:20 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 306 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans So, what are the minimal requirements for laptop (intel)? It is said about compiler that floating point requires hardware fpu. Does it mean that the system won't work with 486sx/slc, that is a frequent chip to install in laptops? Is it possible to install the system on a laptop with 4 Mb? David Tolpin >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 2 18:40:01 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45482>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 18:27:09 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45491>; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 18:18:34 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:56:51 -0400 Subject: re: plan9 on laptop Message-Id: <95Sep2.181834edt.45491@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>It is said about compiler that floating point requires hardware fpu. Does >>it mean that the system won't work with 486sx/slc, that is a frequent >>chip to install in laptops? there is no support in the 386/486 kernel for emulation of floating point. the 486sx seems to return not-a-number (NaN) for floating-point operations, if the processor is not set to trap on floating point operations (and plan 9 does not set that bit). although the bulk of the system will function quite happily without a floating-point unit, there are important exceptions. sometimes these are surprising. it has been some time since i tried a 486sx on the cpu/terminal kernel, but i believe that either 8c or 8l will fail. one of the more surprising programs to fail is troff, which now uses floating-point (at least, it did in the old release, and i don't think that's changed). less surprising failures include awk. the window system and editors weren't a problem. >>Is it possible to install the system on a laptop with 4 Mb? the installation system needs more than 4 Mbytes of memory to expand the compressed diskette images. it could be virtual memory, but until things are set up, where is it safe to swap? it declines to guess (you see! they weren't after your linux partitions after all!). if you install the system somewhere else, you can then fiddle with things to adapt the installation images to add swap commands, the invocation of the swap commands, etc. that's hard work: much easier is to install somewhere else, and use the first diskette to install a subset system over the network. at work, i use a 386sx16 with 4 Mbytes as my usual terminal to access a larger Plan 9 network. i run samterm and lightweight windows like seemail on the terminal, and almost everything else on a CPU server. that works adequately (it puts up windows faster than X11 on a much faster workstation on my desk), but it needs to page. it is cramped, and although part of the editor can run on the terminal, i'd never expect to do compilations there as a matter of course. (i did do that when bootstrapping the first edition's file server kernel on to the PC, and it took 20 minutes to produce 9pcfs, which the 16Mbyte CPU server/file server combination produces in a fraction of that time: the linker, for various reasons, uses lots of data space.) because several local suppliers offer very reasonable deals on 386sx25 mono. notebooks, i have considered getting one to run a portable Plan 9. even so, i'd expect to do little more than edit on it, and even compiling my things, not the kernel, i'd go for at least 6 Mbytes. still, i'm probably the last person in the department doing useful work with only a 386sx16/4meg on my desk. try that with Windows 95 (or even linux with X11 -- i can use windows). oh all right: i have got another computer on my desk, but because it doesn't run plan 9, i don't do much with it at the moment, nice though it is. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 01:11:28 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45486>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:00:23 -0400 Received: from mytus.blitz.com ([204.32.90.161]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45481>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 00:59:53 -0400 Received: from mytus.blitz.com (pace@localhost.opustel.com [127.0.0.1]) by mytus.blitz.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA07509 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 00:59:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199509030459.AAA07509@mytus.blitz.com> To: 9fans Subject: authentication server for unix Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 00:59:30 -0400 From: Pace Willisson Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've got a plan 9 authentication server running on a stock BSDI unix system. The basic idea is that I wrote a SOCK_RAW based IL driver, and then imported the main parts of the plan 9 auth.srv program. You probably don't need this unless you have at least 3 computers: a unix system that you have to keep running even when playing with plan 9, plus 2 other computers to run a plan 9 file server and a plan 9 terminal. Here is the README file - follow the instructions if you'd like to receive a copy of the whole program. Pace Willisson pace@blitz.com This is a (fairly) quick hack to make a plan 9 authentication server that can run under unix. Using it, you can set up a reasonably complete plan 9 system with 2 dedicated ibm pc's - otherwise, you need 3 - a file server, a cpu/authentication server, and a terminal server. You can eliminate the need for the plan 9 file server by running u9fs on a unix machine, but that really slows things down (on my pentium, sam compiles in 14 seconds with a plan 9 file server, but 44 seconds using u9fs). Once you have a plan 9 file server, you really need an authentication server, otherwise, every time you boot the file server, you have to catch it in the middle and type "allow" (and thus give up all permission checking). In the usual plan 9 systems, the authentication server runs on a cpu server. I looked for ways to get it to run on a terminal, but it didn't seem like that would really work out (mainly due to the fake nvram handling). Perhaps Vadim's suggestions for merging the terminal and cpu server functions could help, but since plan 9 is so new to me, I can't evaluate them. Except for running the authentication server, the cpu server is not needed if your terminal is fast. So, I adopted the goal of moving the authentication server to a unix box that is always up. Then, I can use 2 ibm pc's to run the plan 9 file server, and a plan 9 terminal, and that should be a reasonable platform to give plan 9 a fair evaluation. So, now that I've gotten this program to the point that it works, but it isn't all that pretty, and I doubt I'll spend much time cleaning it up. But, perhaps it will be useful for others on the net. If you'd like to help improve it, please get in touch. If you would like to receive a copy of this program, please send email to stating that: you are a plan 9 licensee you are a United States citizen your email is delivered in the United States I'll send a uuencoded, gzipped tar file by return email. To international users, I apologize for the silly US export rules, but I don't know what else I can do. Here is some minimal documentation: The package contains three programs: auth.srv, setkey and netkey. auth.srv contains an IL protocol driver which communicates with the world via a SOCK_RAW socket, plus a plan 9 authentication server. It listens for requests on IL port 566, and generates responses based on the key file "/etc/auth.keys". setkey sets the key for a given account. netkey is a straightforward port of the program by the same name in plan 9. It is used for answering telnet challenges. INSTALLATION: I did this work on BSDI BSD/386 1.1 and BSD/OS 2.0.1. It ought to work on any system with sockets, but it will probably need some minor tweaking. Also, it assumes that getpass(3) can return long passwords. I think that older systems have a limit of 8 bytes, but plan 9 has requires a minimum of 8 bytes. The configuration options: ilgate.c: LOGFILE auth.h: KEYFILE and NEW_KEYFILE Makefile: installation directory Type "make" then "make install" as root. Since the program must use a raw socket, it has to be run as root. A useful improvement would be to have the program relinquish its root privileges after it has its files opened. Run "setkey" as root to create a key for yourself, and for the "authid" mentioned in section 4 of the paper "Installing the Plan 9 Distribution". For the first try, run "auth.srv -d". Then, on plan 9, edit /lib/ndb/local and set "auth=XXX" to point at your unix machine. Do something that needs authentication (e.g. boot the terminal and login with a name other than none), and see if it works. Eventually, you'll want to put "auth.srv -b" in /etc/rc. "-b" means background, and causes logfile output to go to /var/log/auth.srv. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 09:41:44 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45488>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:25:41 -0400 Received: from mytus.blitz.com ([204.32.90.161]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45493>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:22:10 -0400 Received: from mytus.blitz.com (pace@localhost.opustel.com [127.0.0.1]) by mytus.blitz.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA10038 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:16:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199509031316.JAA10038@mytus.blitz.com> To: 9fans Subject: Re: authentication server for unix In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Sep 1995 00:59:30 EDT." <199509030459.AAA07509@mytus.blitz.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:16:02 -0400 From: Pace Willisson Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans At the suggestion of forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk, I've separated the encryption stuff from my IL driver, and put the exportable parts up for anonymous ftp at ftp://ftp.blitz.com/pub/il.tar.gz Pace Willisson pace@blitz.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 13:46:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45497>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:33:46 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45496>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:33:30 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host stealth.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:32:56 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 07:12:18 -0400 From: "& H.-P. Guenther" Message-ID: Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Subject: Does Plan9 support NCR53c810 ? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, Another question first off: Well, some time ago I've read that you can make a Unix box to a dedicated Plan9 file server and hook up several Plan9 workstations onto the same Ethernet as the file server. Is this still supported? I glanced through the web pages at ftp://plan9.att.com/plan9/* and couldn't find any hints on that. What I have here is a Unix box and a Pentium connected via Ethernet, and I wonder if that would be possible. And how would I go about it? [ The program u9fs is still supplied, so you can export Unix filesystems to plan 9. The difficulty is how to set up the authentication -- mod ] But if that doesn't work, could I install Plan9 onto the Pentium? This is a PCI system with a NCR PCI-to-SCSI bridge. 53c810 based. Thanks, -Arnulf -- Arnulf H.-P. Guenther (reg.: 2396354992D<<6708098<9705283<<<<<<6) Invisible Dragon --=(UDIC)=- >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 14:01:40 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45511>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:51:23 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45503>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:34 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:37:57 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 21:26:56 -0400 From: John Stone Message-ID: <428bt0$mdb@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu> Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ. of Missouri-Rolla Subject: Plan 9 kernels for SGI Indy?? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Has anyone built Plan 9 kernels that run on an Indy? I have one that I could use for Plan 9 if there is a kernel for it.. [ Not yet as far as I know. Looks like this could be added to FAQ. -- mod ] Thanks, John Stone johns@cs.umr.edu -- * John Stone - Computer Science Graduate Student / Unix Admin * * University of Missouri - Rolla Office: 208 MCS, 341-6434 * * Unix Is Good For You * >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 14:10:04 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45503>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:00:54 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45508>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:38 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:38:51 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:28:26 -0400 From: Curt Sampson Message-ID: <42bedq$snd@wolfe.wimsey.com> Organization: Internet Portal Services, Ltd. References: Subject: Re: Why? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <426c7u$m35@world.celsiustech.se>, Bengt Kleberg wrote: >Plan9 is is a distributed OS, to be used in heterogenous hardware >environments. The standalone PC version is free, for the home hacker. >The real version is $350 and supposedly used by several people. 10 >people makes it $35 each, 100 people makes it $3.5 each, none of which >is expensive. Is the licence one gets for $350 a site licence? Does this mean I can have it up and running on as many machines at my corporation as I like, without any further fee? [ See http://plan9.att.com/plan9/shrink.html for the actual license. It contains the following phrase "This SOFTWARE may be used by you or by an organization of which you are a member or employee solely for research or educational purposes." -- mod ] cjs -- Curt Sampson curt@portal.ca Info at http://www.portal.ca/ Internet Portal Services, Inc. Vancouver, BC (604) 257-9400 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 14:18:06 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45508>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:09:16 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45496>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:27 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:36:44 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:59:30 -0400 From: Pace Willisson Message-ID: <199509030459.AAA07509@mytus.blitz.com> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Subject: authentication server for unix Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've got a plan 9 authentication server running on a stock BSDI unix system. The basic idea is that I wrote a SOCK_RAW based IL driver, and then imported the main parts of the plan 9 auth.srv program. You probably don't need this unless you have at least 3 computers: a unix system that you have to keep running even when playing with plan 9, plus 2 other computers to run a plan 9 file server and a plan 9 terminal. Here is the README file - follow the instructions if you'd like to receive a copy of the whole program. Pace Willisson pace@blitz.com This is a (fairly) quick hack to make a plan 9 authentication server that can run under unix. Using it, you can set up a reasonably complete plan 9 system with 2 dedicated ibm pc's - otherwise, you need 3 - a file server, a cpu/authentication server, and a terminal server. You can eliminate the need for the plan 9 file server by running u9fs on a unix machine, but that really slows things down (on my pentium, sam compiles in 14 seconds with a plan 9 file server, but 44 seconds using u9fs). Once you have a plan 9 file server, you really need an authentication server, otherwise, every time you boot the file server, you have to catch it in the middle and type "allow" (and thus give up all permission checking). In the usual plan 9 systems, the authentication server runs on a cpu server. I looked for ways to get it to run on a terminal, but it didn't seem like that would really work out (mainly due to the fake nvram handling). Perhaps Vadim's suggestions for merging the terminal and cpu server functions could help, but since plan 9 is so new to me, I can't evaluate them. Except for running the authentication server, the cpu server is not needed if your terminal is fast. So, I adopted the goal of moving the authentication server to a unix box that is always up. Then, I can use 2 ibm pc's to run the plan 9 file server, and a plan 9 terminal, and that should be a reasonable platform to give plan 9 a fair evaluation. So, now that I've gotten this program to the point that it works, but it isn't all that pretty, and I doubt I'll spend much time cleaning it up. But, perhaps it will be useful for others on the net. If you'd like to help improve it, please get in touch. If you would like to receive a copy of this program, please send email to stating that: you are a plan 9 licensee you are a United States citizen your email is delivered in the United States I'll send a uuencoded, gzipped tar file by return email. To international users, I apologize for the silly US export rules, but I don't know what else I can do. Here is some minimal documentation: The package contains three programs: auth.srv, setkey and netkey. auth.srv contains an IL protocol driver which communicates with the world via a SOCK_RAW socket, plus a plan 9 authentication server. It listens for requests on IL port 566, and generates responses based on the key file "/etc/auth.keys". setkey sets the key for a given account. netkey is a straightforward port of the program by the same name in plan 9. It is used for answering telnet challenges. INSTALLATION: I did this work on BSDI BSD/386 1.1 and BSD/OS 2.0.1. It ought to work on any system with sockets, but it will probably need some minor tweaking. Also, it assumes that getpass(3) can return long passwords. I think that older systems have a limit of 8 bytes, but plan 9 has requires a minimum of 8 bytes. The configuration options: ilgate.c: LOGFILE auth.h: KEYFILE and NEW_KEYFILE Makefile: installation directory Type "make" then "make install" as root. Since the program must use a raw socket, it has to be run as root. A useful improvement would be to have the program relinquish its root privileges after it has its files opened. Run "setkey" as root to create a key for yourself, and for the "authid" mentioned in section 4 of the paper "Installing the Plan 9 Distribution". For the first try, run "auth.srv -d". Then, on plan 9, edit /lib/ndb/local and set "auth=XXX" to point at your unix machine. Do something that needs authentication (e.g. boot the terminal and login with a name other than none), and see if it works. Eventually, you'll want to put "auth.srv -b" in /etc/rc. "-b" means background, and causes logfile output to go to /var/log/auth.srv. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 14:36:18 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45496>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:25:58 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45509>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:39 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:39:02 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 05:05:39 -0400 From: Robert Gorichanaz Message-ID: <42br53$383@marina.cinenet.net> Organization: Cinenet Communications,Internet Access,Los Angeles;310-301-4500 Subject: Support for Buslogic SCSI card in PC? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Are there any plans to support the Buslogic 545S and/or 542D cards? I'd like ta check out the demo on my PC, but I'd rather not spend another $300+ to get an adaptec card. -bob >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 14:44:45 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45509>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:35:27 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45506>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:37 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:38:42 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:26:25 -0400 From: Curt Sampson Message-ID: <42bea1$sm6@wolfe.wimsey.com> Organization: Internet Portal Services, Ltd. References: Subject: Re: Why? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article , Dave Sill wrote: >I read through most of the Plan 9 web pages and was pretty excited at >the prospect of running it on my PC, but when I saw the price I >suffered a case of severe sticker shock. I can just imagine my wife's >reaction if I told her I wanted to buy a $350 operating system simply >because it's got some neat ideas in it. > >If $350 is a give-away, why not just sell it for $50-100 (to cover >distribution costs)? How do you know that $50-$100 would cover distribution costs? I have fairly trivial sets of shell scripts and whatnot that I would be perfectly happy to distribute freely, except that I don't have the time to put together proper distribution packages. There's a big gap between a system one can use in-house and one that one can give to others, even if it's a research system. Regardless, I don't see what the big problem with $350 is. There are a lot of other areas of interest where you would have to justify sums either similar or an order of magnitude larger, that to many will seem unjustifiable. Could you justify to your wife spending $250 on a dictionary? I happen to own one (the Compact OED), and consider it an excellent value. Could you justify to your wife a $2500 bicycle? That's not an unreasonable price for a good racing bike, even if it's not for a pro racer. And how on earth one could justify a $5000 computer anyway, I don't know. cjs -- Curt Sampson curt@portal.ca Info at http://www.portal.ca/ Internet Portal Services, Inc. Vancouver, BC (604) 257-9400 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 14:54:19 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45506>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:44:09 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45500>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:32 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:37:48 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 21:17:36 -0400 From: Will Rose Message-ID: Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA References: Subject: Re: Why? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans David Breneman (david.BReneman@mccaw.COM) wrote: [...] : process. The last AT&T OS I saw pricing on was SVR4 for the 3B2-R3-1050. : It was $35,000. Knocking two of those zeros off is quite an accomplishment. : The more pedestrian SVR 3.2 for the 3B2-400 was $1500. Plan 9 is still : a bargain compared to that. The people who buy those type OSes are the : customers for Plan 9. Not the people who judge an OS by how pretty : the icons are. It's a bargain. Those were commercial licenses, and Plan 9's CDROM is *not* commercial. I don't know what a commercial license is, but a lot more than $350. Might be worth it tho', if it's not in the tens of thousands. Will cwr@crash.cts.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 15:02:43 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45500>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:53:27 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:31 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:37:37 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:52:36 -0400 From: Mike McCarty Message-ID: <427kpk$ahl@sun001.spd.dsccc.com> Organization: DSC Communications Corporation, Plano, Texas USA References: Subject: Re: Why? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article , David Kelley wrote: )>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Sill writes: )In article de5@sws5.ctd.ornl.GOV (Dave Sill) writes: ) )Dave> Plan 9 sounds interesting, but why would I want to install it )Dave> other than to satisfy my intellectual curiosity? ) )I've been thinking of installing it as well, and I agree that I don't think )it will serve any other purpose than that for me. It's a for-the-heck-of-it, )OS hobbyist kind of activity. ) )I'm using Win95 and Linux. But I'm short on diskspace (no wonder), )so I think I'll add a new drive and put Plan9 on the end of it for yucks. )I'll keep critical data on the old drive since I'm wary of Plan9's )presumptuous partitioning scheme. The reason for investigating Plan 9 (named for the movie "Plan 9 from Outer Space), is NONE OF THE ABOVE. Plan 9 is a "distributed" operating system. So it can manage multiple CPU's. That is the real reason. It can do things which Windows, DOS, MACOS, etc. never even thought of. Mike ---- char *p="char *p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} I don't speak for DSC. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 15:39:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45504>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:31:18 -0400 Received: from zachs.place.org ([204.157.154.19]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45505>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:30:59 -0400 Received: from zachs.place.org ([127.0.0.1]) by zachs.place.org with smtp (ident zachary using rfc1413) id (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.33); Sun, 3 Sep 95 07:50 CDT Message-Id: To: 9fans Subject: PCMCIA support? Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 08:50:01 -0400 From: Zachary DeAquila Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Someone raised the issue of Plan 9 on a notebook, which made me wonder.. has anyone added PCMCIA support to Plan 9 yet? --Zachary >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 15:57:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45505>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:52:01 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45479>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:51:45 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:41:10 -0400 Subject: re: PCMCIA support? Message-Id: <95Sep3.155145edt.45479@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It supports the Intel 82365SL PCMCIA controller and its more modern versions, the Cirrus Logic PD6710/PD6720. There's not support for much under PCMCIA. We handle one AT&T modem (the Keep in touch series), 2 ethernet cards (National/IBM NE4100 and 3COM 3C589), and the most boring memory card support, i.e., the memory looks like a file. The other popular ship, the Databook, isn't supported. We ran out of steam/interest before we finished the driver. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 19:39:49 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45517>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 19:32:30 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45479>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 19:32:14 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 19:11:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Support for Buslogic SCSI card in PC? Message-Id: <95Sep3.193214edt.45479@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Apologies if you see this twice, I haven't seen my first reply reflected back from the list-server] > Are there any plans to support the Buslogic 545S and/or 542D cards? To the distributed driver it should be indistinguishable from an Adaptec 1542. Although we only tested the 545C, Buslogic use the same programming interface across all their controllers. It should work OK. If not, mail me and I'll work with you to get it to run. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 20:00:00 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45479>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 19:54:37 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45514>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 19:54:06 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:04:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Support for Buslogic SCSI card in PC? Message-Id: <95Sep3.195406edt.45514@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>To the distributed driver it should be indistinguishable from an Adaptec 1542. i am indeed using the distributed adaptec driver unchanged with a buslogic 542B. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 10:21:46 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45488>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:10:14 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45505>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:36 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:38:22 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:21:52 -0400 From: Rupa Schomaker Message-ID: Organization: not likely References: <41sjap$gl0@linet02.li.net> Subject: Re: DOS FAT Install Question Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <41sjap$gl0@linet02.li.net>, Len Dorfman wrote: >I could delete the C and D partitions and reallocate the space differently, >but would prefer not doing that. A lot of people are recommending FIPS but I think that is a FAT only utility. It won't do anything for your HPFS volumes. I'd suggest getting the program "Partition Magic" which is available in OS/2+DOS and Windows+DOS packages. It can resize your FAT and HPFS partitions all without loosing any data (backup first of course!). It can convert FAT to HPFS but not the other way around, so you can't just convert one of your HPFS partitions... However, what you can do is shrink one of the partitions higher up, and then move other partitions up. Then with the free space adjacent to your 11mb C: drive expand it to whatever size you want to include the free space. The only real drawback is that Partition Magic is not free (unlike FIPS). >All input appreciated. >Thanks, Len >ldorfman@li.net -- rupa@netcom.com -- http://venus.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu/os2/rupa/ OS/2 Warp and TIA FAQ: ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ru/rupa/tia/tiafaq.zip On the WEB: http://venus.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu/os2/rupa/tiafaq_idx.html >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 10:31:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45498>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:20:59 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45504>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:35 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:38:11 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:50:57 -0400 From: Frank Fabbrocino Message-ID: <4292d1$nem@skat.usc.edu> Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA References: <199508291210.FAA24061@skat.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Install Plan 9 on a NeXT Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ffabbroc@skat.USc.EDU (Frank Fabbrocino) writes: >Gee, just get Windoze95 instead---I hear it is really good! ;) I apologize for this to everyone. It's an inside joke between my friend who wrote the original post and I. I "replied via email to the author" using nn but I didn't know that this would get distributed to EVERYONE! Sorry again! :) Later, Frank >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 10:41:40 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45497>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:32:47 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45547>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:31:16 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:23:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Why? Message-Id: <95Sep4.103116edt.45547@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Is the licence one gets for $350 a site licence? Does this mean I >can have it up and running on as many machines at my corporation as I >like, without any further fee? That's the intent. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 10:49:26 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45499>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:40:57 -0400 Received: from molly.cs.monash.edu.au ([130.194.64.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45530>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:30:53 -0400 Received: (from acb@localhost) by molly.cs.monash.edu.au (8.6.10/8.6.9) id EAA10968 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 04:17:41 +1000 From: Andrew C Bulhak Message-Id: <199509031817.EAA10968@molly.cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: Re: Why? To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:17:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <42bedq$snd@wolfe.wimsey.com> from "Curt Sampson" at Sep 3, 95 01:28:26 am X-Life-The-Universe-And-Everything: 42 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1580 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Curt Sampson] > > In article <426c7u$m35@world.celsiustech.se>, > Bengt Kleberg wrote: > > >Plan9 is is a distributed OS, to be used in heterogenous hardware > >environments. The standalone PC version is free, for the home hacker. > >The real version is $350 and supposedly used by several people. 10 > >people makes it $35 each, 100 people makes it $3.5 each, none of which > >is expensive. > > Is the licence one gets for $350 a site licence? Does this mean I > can have it up and running on as many machines at my corporation as I > like, without any further fee? > > [ See http://plan9.att.com/plan9/shrink.html for the actual license. It > contains the following phrase "This SOFTWARE may be used by you or by > an organization of which you are a member or employee solely for > research or educational purposes." -- mod ] How strictly is "organisation" defined? If a group of friends form an informal Plan 9 Hackers' Club, can they legally install Plan 9 on their machines from the same CD provided that they don't make any commercial use of it? Is it one of those gray areas, like copying 10-year-old Commodore games or taping TV programs? -- /d/def/s/scale/u/dup/f/forall{load def}{loop}stopped pop/r{u 1 lt{-1 0 moveto 1 1 lineto stroke}{[[(ha_a0\211)(db\\h\(~)(eVhdOj)(jd_dbd)(dh\\bT\200)(f_ab^\211) (c]ffe\201)(`@h`x\200)(cZhd#h)(hb^d0v)(`Lh`8t)(eVhd\223~)(gj^a\230j)(h_ab\210a) (gd^c\211\205)]{[exch{96 sub}f]}f]{gsave 1 64 div u s concat u 1 sub r grestore }f}ifelse pop}d 240 u s 1.25 1 translate 4 r showpage% - acb@cs.monash.edu.au - >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 10:57:00 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45506>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:48:47 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45546>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:31:13 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:21:15 -0400 Subject: re: authentication server for unix Message-Id: <95Sep4.103113edt.45546@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans cool >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 11:05:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45508>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:56:24 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45578>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:32:04 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:49:59 -0400 Subject: re: Support for Buslogic SCSI card in PC? Message-Id: <95Sep4.103204edt.45578@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The 545 will work with the Adaptec 1542 driver. Unlike Adaptec, Buslogic use the same programming interface to all their controllers, and it's 1542 compatible. For the 32-bit interfaces for EISA and PCI there's another mode the interfaces can be put into for higher performance. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 3 14:39:04 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45496>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:25:58 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45509>; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:46:39 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host midge.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:39:02 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans-request@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 05:05:39 -0400 From: Robert Gorichanaz Message-ID: <42br53$383@marina.cinenet.net> Organization: Cinenet Communications,Internet Access,Los Angeles;310-301-4500 Subject: Support for Buslogic SCSI card in PC? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Are there any plans to support the Buslogic 545S and/or 542D cards? I'd like ta check out the demo on my PC, but I'd rather not spend another $300+ to get an adaptec card. -bob >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 11:20:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45488>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:11:44 -0400 Received: from Fox.NSTN.Ca ([137.186.128.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45479>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:11:28 -0400 Received: from [137.186.184.124] (ottawa-ts-24.nstn.ca [137.186.184.124]) by Fox.NSTN.Ca (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA27344 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:11:10 -0300 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:10:40 -0400 From: "Sandy Harris" Message-Id: <53326.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_14.1 X-POPMail-Charset: English To: 9fans Subject: unsubscribe Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans unsubscribe -- Sandy Harris sharris@fox.nstn.ca >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 11:42:38 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45498>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:32:27 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45479>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:32:12 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:14:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Why? Message-Id: <95Sep4.113212edt.45479@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >How strictly is "organisation" defined? If a group of friends form an >informal Plan 9 Hackers' Club, can they legally install Plan 9 on their >machines from the same CD provided that they don't make any commercial use >of it? Is it one of those gray areas, like copying 10-year-old Commodore >games or taping TV programs? Given that lawyers wrote the license, I'ld bet my salary that its any entity that can be sued. This is, after all, a legal document. I assume that at the very least the organization has to have some sort of legal standing, i.e., that it has officers filed somewhere that are legally and financially liable. If you want, you can always send us a letter as the organization (letterhead and the whole deal) and we'll forward it to the lawyers. Remember though: some gray areas are best left that way. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 17:53:54 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45499>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:41:34 -0400 Received: from localhost.nyu.edu ([128.122.237.121]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45497>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:41:18 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.nyu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA00135; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:11:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:11:46 -0400 From: "Michael C. Montero" Subject: Plan9 & OS/2 Boot Manager To: 9fans <9fans> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I am trying to setup Plan9 on my machine which has OS/2 Boot Manager. I currently have a DOS parition and a Linux partition. I followed the steps outlined in the documentation for setting up the PC distribution (20 megs) of Plan9. However, for some reason the Disk1 is setting itself up on the floppy instead of on the partition I left available for Plan9. I am NOT trying to make Plan9 part of OS/2 Boot Manager. According to the documentation, the DOS partition is supposed to be formatted and space is supposed to be left for Plan9. If anyone has any idea of what the problem may be or if anyone has gotten around this (in any way) please let me know! The only thing I would like is to maintain my DOS and Linux partitions and, if possible, not to have to delete my Linux partition. The DOS one has been mutilated already. Thanks for all your help! Mike >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 18:01:24 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45509>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:54:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.nyu.edu ([128.122.237.121]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45497>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:53:14 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.nyu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA00144; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:13:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:13:44 -0400 From: "Michael C. Montero" Subject: Mistake! To: 9fans <9fans> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I apologize to everyone, the last message that I sent regarding Plan9 and OS/2 Boot Manager contained the wrong reply address. I apologize for this. The correct address to which to send any replies is the following: mcm7738@is2.nyu.edu I am sorry for any inconveniences this may cause! Thanks. Mike >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 20:55:21 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45500>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:48:18 -0400 Received: from ditsydh.syd.dit.CSIRO.AU ([130.155.20.8]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:47:58 -0400 Received: from syd.dit.csiro.au by ditsydh.syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (8.6.8.1/1.06S) id KAA09061; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:47:24 +1000 Message-Id: <199509050047.KAA09061@ditsydh.syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> To: 9fans Subject: Re: b.com floppy driver patch for fast machines X-Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 In-Reply-To: <199508301503.LAA29063@odin.ins.cwru.edu> X-Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology X-Internet: ken@syd.dit.csiro.au X-Snail: CSIRO DIT, Locked Bag 17, North Ryde NSW 2113, Australia X-Phone: (+61 2) 325-3149 Fax: (+61 2) 325-3200 X-Face: bak'McMAD{%JrA$mQ(j_Ex_o?a/F8/Ntng*t2KX(NcfGalVs^Ke^C61:F MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <28247.810262035.1@syd.dit.csiro.au> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:47:15 -0400 From: Ken Yap Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans |For what it's worth, the Crynwr packet drivers for DOS use an inb from |the keyboard controller to establish a reasonably constant delay. I |gather this is because the keyboard controller runs at something like 7 |MHz on virtually every motherboard. It runs at a higher clock rate on |PS/2s, but apparently it's reliable on ISA, EISA, and ISA/PCI |motherboards. Well, it isn't actually anything to do with the keyboard controller, just that that port is a "harmless" one to read and that most ISA buses run at 8-12 MHz, regardless of CPU speed. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 22:17:13 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45499>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:09:17 -0400 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net ([192.76.144.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45509>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:07:38 -0400 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (5.59:8/EUnetD-2.5.2.a) via EUnet id EAA01065; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:07:22 +0200 Received: from mwtech by shakti.rent-a-guru.de with UUCP (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA06036; Mon, 4 Sep 95 23:05:55 +0200 Received: by mwtech.rent-a-guru.de (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA08060; Mon, 4 Sep 95 22:08:09 GMT From: Martin Weitzel Message-Id: <9509042208.AA08060@mwtech.rent-a-guru.de> Subject: Driver for Sigma Laserview Display? To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 18:08:09 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 703 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Since some years I use a `Sigma Laserview' (19" B&W monitor, 1600x1200) with X11 and ISC Unix. I like that display very much, the Sigma is substantially more crisp than the Samsung 17GLs currently hooked to my Plan 9 box (though the Samsung really isn't bad). The Laserview has a proprietary display controller, for which I do not have any real documentation, but on my Linux CD I've spotted an X11 driver for it. - How difficult would you think is a port of the Linux X11 driver to Plan 9? I'm very experienced with C (nearly 15 years) but I never did any programming of display device drivers. - Where to start? - Recommendations for books? - Any other takers? --Martin >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 23:22:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45509>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:13:50 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:10:48 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <594>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:10:16 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: setting up u9fs server [was Does Plan9 support NCR53c810 ?] Message-Id: <95Sep4.231016edt.594@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:10:07 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans "H.-P. Guenther" wrote: > Well, some time ago I've read that you can make a Unix box to a > dedicated Plan9 file server and hook up several Plan9 workstations > onto the same Ethernet as the file server. Is this still supported? > I glanced through the web pages at ftp://plan9.att.com/plan9/* and > couldn't find any hints on that. What I have here is a Unix box and a > Pentium connected via Ethernet, and I wonder if that would be > possible. And how would I go about it? > > [ The program u9fs is still supplied, so you can export Unix filesystems > to plan 9. The difficulty is how to set up the authentication -- mod ] With the new release, this is easier to do than in the past. First, you must compile and install u9fs on a Unix system. I used a spare disk, mounted as /plan9, and have 'u9fs /plan9' in inetd.conf to run u9fs chrooted to the empty disk. Also note that you must copy /etc/passwd and /etc/group and /etc/hosts.equiv to /etc under the chroot area. The /plan9/etc/passwd should have entries for bootes and none. The /plan9/etc/group should have entries for bootes, map, doc, font and none. The /plan9/etc/hosts.equiv should have an entry for your PC. /plan9 should be writable by user 'none', for the install process. As someone has already pointed out, a real plan9 file server will give you better performance ... so you'll want to run u9fs on the system holding the disk (NOT on an NFS client) or performance will be even worse since you'll be going through 2 distributed file systems. Next, boot up the PC plan9, and follow the directions for "3b. Install CD-ROM to network file server"; give it the address of your Unix u9fs server as the file server, and choose the option which says you will be using a TCP file server. At that point, you should check the u9fs logfile, to see that you don't get any error messages. If all goes well, you should see a scrolling window listing all the files as the get copied from the CDROM (this step took 4 hours & 400Meg for me). After you've done that, it's time to setup your network database and boot up your terminal, telling it to use tcp to connect to the file server. Since user 'none' shouldn't own any files, you should chown all the files to 'adm' or 'sys'. For authentication, setup a cpu server using the TCP file server ... which I plan to do this week (barring further interruptions), or you could try the Unix authentication server recently announced here. Steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 4 23:44:45 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45592>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:35:05 -0400 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu ([128.140.2.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:20:41 -0400 Received: from skeeve.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.16) via UUCP id AA05687 ; Mon, 4 Sep 95 23:11:25 -0400 Received: by skeeve.atl.ga.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Mon, 4 Sep 95 23:02 EDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:02:00 -0400 From: arnold@skeeve.atl.ga.us (Arnold D. Robbins) To: 9fans Subject: wily and sunos Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Does anyone have wily running under SunOS 4.1.3 yet? If so, can you send me the appropriate Makefile? Thanks, Arnold Robbins -- The Basement Computer | Laundry increases Internet: arnold@skeeve.ATL.GA.US | exponentially in the UUCP: emory!skeeve!arnold | number of children. Bitnet: Forget it. Get on a real network. | -- Miriam Robbins >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 00:30:52 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45513>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:23:50 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45529>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:19:29 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <927>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:14:25 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: PC-clone hardware Message-Id: <95Sep5.001425edt.927@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:14:24 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In "What We Use - Last Updated 1-Aug-95", it says: > Until recently we've used the AMI Enterprise IV: What have you been using recently? I'm thinking of getting a 486DX2-66, with 256K cache, but I haven't been able to find any AMI motherboards around here yet. One store I visited told me "the brand of motherboard is usually stated as the brand of CPU on it", which doesn't jive with the above document since it lists an SiS chipset on the AMI board. What's more important to look for, the motherboard or cpu manufacturer? Intel and AMD seem to be popular in the local stores here, which of those two would people recommend? The variety in PC hardware scares me - sorry if these are basic questions. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 03:15:50 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45513>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 03:07:18 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 03:07:00 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29997; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:05:50 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509050705.AA29997@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: PC-clone hardware To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 03:35:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Sep5.001425edt.927@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> from "Steve Kotsopoulos" at Sep 5, 95 00:14:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > In "What We Use - Last Updated 1-Aug-95", it says: > > Until recently we've used the AMI Enterprise IV: > > What have you been using recently? > > I'm thinking of getting a 486DX2-66, with 256K cache, but > I haven't been able to find any AMI motherboards around here yet. > > One store I visited told me "the brand of motherboard is usually > stated as the brand of CPU on it", which doesn't jive with > the above document since it lists an SiS chipset on the AMI board. > > What's more important to look for, the motherboard or cpu manufacturer? > > Intel and AMD seem to be popular in the local stores here, > which of those two would people recommend? > > The variety in PC hardware scares me - sorry if these are basic questions. > I think the CPU manufacturer is not important. As far as I know they are compatible. The problem arises, however, with the chipset. For example, I wouldn't recommend ALI chipsets. I have had real problems with this chipset. I think the OPTI chipset is a good one. Anyway, there are more important factors such as manufacturing quality. I have found that most of the motherboards currently sold are a piece of junk valid only for running MSDOS and Windows, incapable of running for a period of time without a reboot. The only answer is to test the motherboard you are going to use. Another problem is that most dealers change regularly their motherboards. Borja. > -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 04:03:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45545>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 03:55:16 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 03:55:00 -0400 Received: from sympc143 ([194.32.100.46]) by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17354; Tue, 5 Sep 95 08:53:45 BST Message-Id: <9509050753.AA17354@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Communications To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:53:44 -0400 Subject: Win95 and Plan 9 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I am pleased to note that installing Win95 did not overwrite my Plan 9 partition. Evidently it holds Plan 9 in higher regard than Linux. b.com will also run, but only as a 'real' MSDOS program. Unfortunately, since Win95 takes a couple of minutes to boot, this is a slow way to get to Plan 9! >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 05:26:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45547>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 05:16:58 -0400 Received: from nsof.co.il ([192.114.145.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 05:16:40 -0400 Received: by nsof.co.il (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09781; Tue, 5 Sep 95 12:16:11 IDT From: blumzi@nsof.co.il (Arie Blumenzweig) Message-Id: <9509050916.AA09781@nsof.co.il> Subject: Networked Printer To: 9fans (9fans Mailing List) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 05:16:10 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 770 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, This is a repost, since I botched the previous one :-{ I'm working with the CDROM distribution, and trying to set up a networked LaserWriter. /sys/lib/lp/daemon/lpddaemon looks for /sys/lib/postscript/bin/$cputype/lpdsend, but there's no such thing. Is it realy missing? Was it moved to some other location? Where can I to get it? Much obliged ... -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ___ ___ ___ Arie Blumenzweig __ /__ / //_ nSOF Parallel Software Ltd. / /___//__// 48800 Givat Hashlosha, Israel Tel: +972 (3) 938-8551 blumzi@nsof.co.il Fax: +972 (3) 938-8552 -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 06:22:44 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45560>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:10:10 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:09:45 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:06 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:29:27 -0400 From: Tor Arntsen Message-ID: <42euvn$clg@nms.telepost.no> Organization: Spacetec A.S References: <199508280945.TAA14296@molly.cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: Re: future co-existence with Linux? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >When LILO boots a Linux partition, it reads the kernel from the partition >into memory and executes it (when LILO is installed, the locations of the >disk sectors containing the kernel are stored in the boot record with it). Actually, the boot record contains the disk sectors of a file containing the disk sectors of the kernel. In that way it is not necessary to update the boot record when a new kernel is to be installed, you just have to update the information in that file. [The loader can be very small (it fits on the boot record, as mentioned) because it doesn't have to know about the file system layout. A separate, user-level program is used instead, its job is just to find the sector numbers of the kernel and update the file mentioned above. In this way LILO can be installed on the boot record just once] -- Tor Arntsen (tor@spacetec.no) Standard disclaimers apply. WWW kills the Internet >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 06:34:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45565>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:22:27 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45555>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:10:08 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:12 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 08:25:17 -0400 From: Sandy Harris Message-ID: <70485.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network Subject: FAQ ? Where are old Plan 9 papers ? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Years ago, I FTP'd several postscript papers on Plan 9 from research.att.com. They're probably somewhat dated now, but they were quite interesting. Are they still available? Where? I've had a quick look on both research and plan9 without finding them. -- Sandy Harris sharris@fox.nstn.ca >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 06:43:40 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45555>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:34:03 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45553>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:10:07 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:03 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 06:02:26 -0400 From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge Message-ID: Organization: Softway Pty Limited References: Subject: Re: 8-1/2 (was: Really about PLan 9) Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In <425kho$524@booz.bah.com> jason@absolut.minerva.bah.COM (Jason Haynes) writes: >For every day tasks I use pico, >since it's quick and neat. For real editing tasks (programming, etc), I >almost always use Sam. I only wish it had some ability for customization, >at least some sort of alias/macro feature for storing commonly used regex. It does: ; whatis S fn S {sam $* $home/lib/sampad} ; cat lib/sampad J >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 06:49:13 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45553>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:43:00 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45554>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:10:06 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:05 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 03:09:57 -0400 From: sharris Message-ID: <53261.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network Subject: ? Plan 9 for Sun 3/80 ? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm about to acquire a Sun and have my choice of a 3/60 or a 3/80. They are similar except the 3/80 uses a 68030 (instead of the 3/60's 68020) and comes in a much nicer case. I know Plan 9 has been ported to the 3/60, but I wouldn't expect that port to run out-of-the-box on a 3/80. Does anyone have a version for the 3/80? Does anyone have information on how much the 68030's MMU would complicate a port? Is there a 68030 version of Plan 9 anywhere? Perhaps for some of the Next machines? -- Sandy Harris sharris@fox.nstn.ca >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 06:50:33 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34038>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:16:33 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34036>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:16:13 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18136; Tue, 5 Sep 95 11:15:51 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00341; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:15:38 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA15050; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:15:33 +0100 Message-Id: <9509051015.AA15050@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: file-server setup. X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:15:32 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 965 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've just tried installing the CD to a PC's local disk (using the current 4-disk set). It complains that I don't have enough disk space after the DOS partition, by about 4MB. This is a little irritating. :-) The PC's disk claims to be a 544MB disk, and the DOS partition takes about 2MB (I asked for 1MB, but there you go), which should leave plenty. But apparently not. I'm possibly falling foul of varying definitions of a megabyte (1,000,000 bytes vs. 1,048,576 bytes), but even if that's the case, that only chops 26MB off the disk, leaving about 518MB (FDISK thinks the disk has 519MB). This should still leave me with plenty of space... A more extreme method was to try installing the CD directly to a Sun running /sparc/9ssfs. However, after that kernel loads via tftp, it doesn't do anything. I'd expected the config: prompt, but it appears to have hung. ^T^Tr and L1-A don't do anything. This was a surprise, because 9ss and 9sscd both work. steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 07:03:08 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45582>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:49:11 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45561>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:22:23 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:09 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:15:30 -0400 From: rcabell@infi.net Message-ID: <42fmoa$nt7@allnews.infi.net> Organization: InfiNet Subject: Trouble editing vgadb Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've had touble editing c:\plan9\lib\vgadb with a DOS based editor (e.exe from PC-DOS 6.1, to be exact). If I edit this file, then copy it into /lib when running plan9, the system will hang the next time plan9 is booted, or the next time aux/vga is called. I suppose this is due to the carriage returns inserted by the DOS editor. Something to watch out for when configuring your vga setup, if this is indeed the case. Ran Cabell >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 07:11:00 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45561>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:02:27 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:22:06 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:05 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:42:36 -0400 From: Staffan Ulfberg Message-ID: Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Subject: Questions on CD distribution Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello, I have now, after spending a few very late nights with it, managed to get the ftp version of Plan 9 working. Well, I've enjoyed playing around a bit, compiled a small program (I'm really impressed that the compiler w/ include files and libraries is included in this distribution!), and so on. However, without the bulk of programs on the CD, and sources to everything, this is as far as it goes... I'd be interested in writing/porting a few utilities, but it would really help to look at existing sources a bit first... So, I'd guess I now have two choices (this probably holds for most people who have installed and tried the free version for the PC): either buy the CD, or finish using Plan 9. Since the CD is quite expensive, from a non-corporate point of view, I'd like to know the following before I consider ordering the CD: 1) From what I can understand of the licence agreement, an organization or corporation may buy one copy and use on several machines. I think it would be in the spirit of these terms that I and a friend bought one copy and installed it on our machines at home; or would this be considered software piracy? 2) Since Plan 9 is not a finished product, I suppose quite a lot will change, lots of bug fixed made etc. Will the updated/new programs w/ source code be available for ftp d/l for licencees? Staffan -- /D{def}def /d{.00017 add D}D /C{2 copy dup mul exch dup mul}D /g 150 string D /y .29 D 150 150 8[.4 0 0 .4 -45 -90]{/x -1.2 D 0 1 149{x y /n 300 D{/n n 5 sub D C exch sub x add 3 1 roll 2 mul mul y add C add 4 gt n 5 eq or{exit }if}loop pop pop g exch n put /x x d}for /y y d g}image showpage >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 07:20:02 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45499>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:10:30 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45556>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:22:05 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:13 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:08:46 -0400 From: Daniel Yacob Message-ID: <42gige$8fa@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Subject: er_ti , et_am for Plan 9 ? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Can someone with AT&T please forward this to the appropriate person who deals with character sets and locales. -thanks! Greetings, I have read recently about Plan 9 in ``Understanding Japanese Information Processing'' and have just discovered the homepage and now this news group. Great! I am writing to inform you of Fidel script (aka Ethiopian, Ethiopic, Ge'ez) and let you know that it is a candidate for the address range 1200 - 138F in Unicode. A formal announcement is expected later this year from the Unicode Consortium. So it is understandable that the script may not have received attention during Plan 9 development. I am a developer for Fidel script based software for Unix platforms and would like to offer my assistance for developing locales for Fidel under Plan 9. I would be available for any technical assistance involving Fidel implementation. A good example of IM for Fidel is available from Mule (the Multilingual extension of Emacs). http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/dmulholl/utc/proposal/ software links begin here: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/dmulholl/acg/fidel/fidel.html fonts in Unicode and JIS encoding are here: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/dmulholl/acg/fidel/fonts.html Please let me know how I may assist to be certain that Fidel is treated under Plan 9. most truely, -daniel >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 07:29:17 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45556>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:19:31 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45557>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:22:07 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:08 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 15:57:44 -0400 From: Gregor Overney Message-ID: <42flno$cu2@lynx.unm.edu> Organization: University of New Mexico Subject: Plan9 on gateway P5-120 Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've just installed a demo version of Plan 9 on a Gateway 2000 computer (p5-120) using a STB graphics board. Plan 9 is running but the STB graphics board (S3 compatible) is only supported in the standard VGA mode. Also the Future Domain SCSI-2 controller cannot be recognized using Plan 9. ---GTO >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 07:38:27 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45605>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:29:20 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45558>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:34:01 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:07 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 07:33:37 -0400 From: sharris Message-ID: <67661.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network Subject: Re: fixes in the works Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans jmk@plan9.ATt.COM wrote: > > From: staffanu@tcs07.nada.kth.SE (Staffan Ulfberg) > > Subject: Re: Installation problems:-( > > ... > > When b.com is started, it prints info about the hard drives it can > > find on the screen; in my case: > > > > >hd0: 1669260 sectors 854661120 bytes > > >hd1: 128 sectors 280559616 bytes (This is wrong! The drive is 560MB.) > > (Exactly half of "real capacity"?) DOS or the BIOS has a limitation where it can't handle anything > 1023 cylinders, so there's often something in the boot sector fiddles the numbers. e.g. with a 1200 cylinder 8 head drive, the BIOS pretends it's 600 and 16 to get around that limitation. Linux on large drives needs to have this nonsense overridden or it gets very confused. Sounds to me like Plan 9 & the DOS number-fiddling software don't like each other & Plan 9 is only seeing half the cylinders. -- Sandy Harris sharris@fox.nstn.ca >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 07:46:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45609>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:38:17 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45564>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:42:59 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:12 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 08:25:52 -0400 From: Sandy Harris Message-ID: <70515.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network Subject: ? PC configuration ? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Methinks I've got enough PC to run Plan 9: 100 MHz 486, 24 megs RAM and a one gig drive with 600 megs free. My VGA monitor just died so I can't test yet, hence questions: Can one PC run all parts of Plan 9: terminal, files, authorisation & computation? Eventually, I expect to have a diskless Sun 3 as terminal & want the PC to act as file & compute server. But the port.html document says only SCSI disks can be used for PC file server. Is that still true? If so, what would it take to make an IDE-only PC usable this way? -- Sandy Harris sharris@fox.nstn.ca >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 08:06:50 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45564>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:58:24 -0400 Received: from tango.rahul.net ([192.160.13.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45585>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:46:53 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by tango.rahul.net with SMTP id AA22883 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:25:50 -0700 Received: from bedlam.rahul.net by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP id AA02664 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:25:47 -0700 Received: by bedlam.rahul.net id m0spw8K-0005bnC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.31); Tue, 5 Sep 95 04:25 PDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:25:00 -0400 From: bhogan@bedlam.rahul.net (Bill Hogan) To: 9fans Subject: Re: PC-clone hardware In-Reply-To: <9509050705.AA29997@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <95Sep5.001425edt.927@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> <9509050705.AA29997@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans "BM" == Borja Marcos writes: >> >> In "What We Use - Last Updated 1-Aug-95", it says: >> > Until recently we've used the AMI Enterprise IV: >> >> What have you been using recently? >> >> I'm thinking of getting a 486DX2-66, with 256K cache, but >> I haven't been able to find any AMI motherboards around here yet. >> >> One store I visited told me "the brand of motherboard is usually >> stated as the brand of CPU on it", which doesn't jive with >> the above document since it lists an SiS chipset on the AMI board. >> >> What's more important to look for, the motherboard or cpu manufacturer? >> >> Intel and AMD seem to be popular in the local stores here, >> which of those two would people recommend? >> >> The variety in PC hardware scares me - sorry if these are basic questions. >> BM> I think the CPU manufacturer is not important. As far as I know BM> they are compatible. The problem arises, however, with the chipset. BM> For example, I wouldn't recommend ALI chipsets. I have had real BM> problems with this chipset. I think the OPTI chipset is a good one. BM> Anyway, there are more important factors such as manufacturing BM> quality. I have found that most of the motherboards currently sold BM> are a piece of junk valid only for running MSDOS and Windows, BM> incapable of running for a period of time without a reboot. BM> The only answer is to test the motherboard you are going to use. BM> Another problem is that most dealers change regularly their motherboards. BM> Borja. >> I agree with this. Also, on the theory that if a PC supports Linux it is a reasonably good bet it will support plan9, I might suggest lurking in places like comp.os.linux.hardware? (I can think of a couple of PC vendors who sell what they claim to be Linux compatible systems but I have never used one so I can't recommend any.) Bill >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 08:17:10 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45581>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:08:25 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45598>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:46:54 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:23:54 -0400 Subject: re: ? Plan 9 for Sun 3/80 ? Message-Id: <95Sep5.074654edt.45598@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Is there a 68030 version of Plan 9 anywhere? Perhaps for some of a student here (davesc) started with my sun3 port and the existing next 68040 port, and attempted a port to the 3/80. in a few weeks he got a very long way before he ran out of time (the machine had to go back to its owners). amongst other things, he made the required changes to 2a and 2l to support the 68030 instructions and registers required for the mmu. the kernel booted, started /boot, but there was some problem with the Lance (ethernet). i used that as a basis for a working port to an Eltec 68030 VME crate. in the process, i discovered a few small errors in the sun3x code that might have caused the Lance to fail (but that failure might have been unrelated). i recently made the 68030 changes to 2a etc for the new release, but i haven't made the small changes to the Eltec kernel required for the new release. once i've done that, in the next few days, i'll know that things are working as well as they ever were, and i can make the 2a/2l changes, the 68030 kernel changes, and the basic sun3x (sun 3/80) package available to anyone with a licence who wants them. they might be useful as part of a port to a 68030 NeXt machine, for instance. they might also be useful if you've got a similar VME crate. we used it as part of a student project to drive a robot. i'll probably put the bits out for anon. ftp in some suitable form, rather than dole them out on demand. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 08:27:25 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45578>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:17:52 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45573>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:16:51 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:10:40 -0400 Subject: re: ? PC configuration ? Message-Id: <95Sep5.081651edt.45573@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>If so, what would it take to make an IDE-only PC usable this way? i hacked something together for someone with the old release. it's much much easier if you settle for having either IDE or SCSI on the file server, but not both. adding IDE `properly' almost certainly requires a new device type in /sys/src/fs/port, and the changes will be extensive. the hack is a straightforwardly ugly one(!). i haven't done it for the new release, and don't intend to, but here is the essence, as far as i recall. ... no, having looked at it, the process is just too disgusting. i refuse to give details in public. send me mail if you're determined to carry through with it. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 08:37:02 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45554>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:28:08 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45594>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:27:08 -0400 Received: from sympc143 ([194.32.100.46]) by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19444; Tue, 5 Sep 95 12:49:34 BST Message-Id: <9509051149.AA19444@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Communications To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:49:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Plan9 on gateway P5-120 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > I've just installed a demo version of Plan 9 on a Gateway 2000 computer > (p5-120) using a STB graphics board. Plan 9 is running but the STB > graphics board (S3 compatible) is only supported in the standard VGA > mode. Also the Future Domain SCSI-2 controller cannot be recognized using > Plan 9. > Yes. I think it all follows from the distribution documents. /lib/vgadb will need modifying to support the S3, and, yes, the SCSI controller is not supported. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 09:05:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45573>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:54:43 -0400 Received: from colossus.mathcs.rhodes.edu ([198.78.24.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45606>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:54:17 -0400 Received: from zen.mathcs.rhodes.edu (zen.mathcs.rhodes.edu [198.78.24.20]) by mathcs.rhodes.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA26426 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:51:44 -0500 Received: by zen.mathcs.rhodes.edu (8.6.9) id HAA19169; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:54:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199509051254.HAA19169@zen.mathcs.rhodes.edu> To: 9fans Subject: Re: wily and sunos In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Sep 1995 23:02:00 EDT." Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:54:22 -0400 From: "Brian L. Stuart" Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Does anyone have wily running under SunOS 4.1.3 yet? If so, can you send >me the appropriate Makefile? > >Thanks, > >Arnold Robbins -- The Basement Computer | Laundry increases I've gotten it running on our 4.1.1 w/ X11R5 environment and on Linux. Unfortunately, it needed more than just changes in the Makefile. Neither compiling with POSIX_SOURCE or without it was quite right for the Suns, so I've got some ugly little kludges in there. They're ugly enough that I wanted to try to clean them up a bit before passing them on to the author, but if folks would like, I can put the updated version on our anon ftp. One (not too disgusting) change is that the Sun standard library realloc is broken compared to what libframe and libtext expect. If the first argument of realloc is NULL, they will do a malloc. The Sun version returns an error. Most of the rest is munging around with what files are included when and filling in a few missing typedefs. BTW I found that the 5include and 5lib directories were much closer than the BSD defaults in /usr/include and /usr/lib. Kudos to Gary; I've become hooked on wily. Brian L. Stuart Math/CS Dept, Rhodes College, Memphis, TN stuart@mathcs.rhodes.edu http://www.mathcs.rhodes.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 09:29:00 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45550>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:18:18 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45547>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:17:57 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from gary for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Tue, 05 Sep 1995 23:17:13 +1000 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:14:23 -0400 From: gary@staff.cs.su.oz.au (Gary Capell) Subject: No wily discussion on 9fans, please. To: 9fans Message-Id: <95Sep5.091757edt.45547@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans use wilyfans@jli.com (wilyfans-request@jli.com to subscribe). Nifty as wily may (eventually be), many 9fans have the real thing and shouldn't be bothered with discussion of imitators. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 10:12:09 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45529>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:01:54 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45511>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:01:38 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:47:57 -0400 Subject: re: Win95 and Plan 9 Message-Id: <95Sep5.100138edt.45511@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans If you look on your new shiny Win95 there's a file 'MSDOS.SYS' which holds some configuration stuff, one line of which is something like BootGUI=1 change the 1 to 0 and you boot up stright into DOS mode. The file has attributes system+read-only+hidden so you have to turn those off under DOS before you can change it. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 04:07:01 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45545>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 03:55:16 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45499>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 03:55:00 -0400 Received: from sympc143 ([194.32.100.46]) by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17354; Tue, 5 Sep 95 08:53:45 BST Message-Id: <9509050753.AA17354@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Communications To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:53:44 -0400 Subject: Win95 and Plan 9 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I am pleased to note that installing Win95 did not overwrite my Plan 9 partition. Evidently it holds Plan 9 in higher regard than Linux. b.com will also run, but only as a 'real' MSDOS program. Unfortunately, since Win95 takes a couple of minutes to boot, this is a slow way to get to Plan 9! >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 10:23:21 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45508>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:12:35 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45573>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:12:19 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:07:38 -0400 Subject: re: FAQ ? Where are old Plan 9 papers ? Message-Id: <95Sep5.101219edt.45573@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The postscript versions went away when the manual appeared. Now there's just the html versions. The postscript is on the CD. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 20:47:27 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45486>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:31:39 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45482>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:31:23 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:04:09 -0400 Subject: re: PC-clone hardware Message-Id: <95Sep5.203123edt.45482@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans This is a little out of my experience, but if I had to buy a 486 motherboard I'd look for one that would take a DX4-100 and even one of the new Cyrix M1sc chips (i.e. handles 3.3V CPUs). Plus I'd opt for a PCI+ISA board with I/O on the motherboard (I think only AIR makes a 486 MB with PCI+EISA). SIS or Intel chipset should be OK. Our only other experience with 486 motherboards has been Micronics in some old Gateways. There have been troubles there with the Phoenix BIOS and accessing the BIOS ROM areas from Plan 9, but that's probably because we don't make any attempt to work out the 8/16-bit BIOS stuff. The OS/2 and Linux newsgroups probably have some useful information. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 00:31:11 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45513>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:23:50 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45529>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:19:29 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <927>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:14:25 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: PC-clone hardware Message-Id: <95Sep5.001425edt.927@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:14:24 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In "What We Use - Last Updated 1-Aug-95", it says: > Until recently we've used the AMI Enterprise IV: What have you been using recently? I'm thinking of getting a 486DX2-66, with 256K cache, but I haven't been able to find any AMI motherboards around here yet. One store I visited told me "the brand of motherboard is usually stated as the brand of CPU on it", which doesn't jive with the above document since it lists an SiS chipset on the AMI board. What's more important to look for, the motherboard or cpu manufacturer? Intel and AMD seem to be popular in the local stores here, which of those two would people recommend? The variety in PC hardware scares me - sorry if these are basic questions. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 23:11:29 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45490>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:02:02 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45488>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:01:46 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: re: Plan9 on gateway P5-120 Message-Id: <95Sep5.230146edt.45488@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans There's no support for any Future Domain SCSI controller. If you know the model of STB VGA card and can determine the graphics chip RAMDAC clock chip then it's possible to create a new entry in /lib/vgadb for your card. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 5 07:31:03 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45556>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:19:31 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45557>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:22:07 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host gdr) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:09:08 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 15:57:44 -0400 From: Gregor Overney Message-ID: <42flno$cu2@lynx.unm.edu> Organization: University of New Mexico Subject: Plan9 on gateway P5-120 Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've just installed a demo version of Plan 9 on a Gateway 2000 computer (p5-120) using a STB graphics board. Plan 9 is running but the STB graphics board (S3 compatible) is only supported in the standard VGA mode. Also the Future Domain SCSI-2 controller cannot be recognized using Plan 9. ---GTO >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 03:55:02 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45503>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:45:40 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45486>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:45:18 -0400 From: Boyd Roberts Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:34:37 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: authentication server for unix In-Reply-To: <199509031316.JAA10038@mytus.blitz.com> Message-ID: <199509061734.14847.9.babos@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans if anyone outside of the us wants des, they can have mine. mail me. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 04:54:00 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45505>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:44:03 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45501>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:43:47 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08775; Wed, 6 Sep 95 09:43:32 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17436; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:43:30 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19029; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:43:26 +0100 Message-Id: <9509060843.AA19029@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans Subject: Re: authentication server for unix In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 06 Sep 1995 03:34:37 EDT." <199509061734.14847.9.babos@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:43:25 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 98 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > if anyone outside of the us wants des, they can have mine. mail me. > yes please.... steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 05:22:27 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45509>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:16:18 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45501>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:16:00 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02804; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:11:24 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509060911.AA02804@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: PC-clone hardware To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:40:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: from "Bill Hogan" at Sep 5, 95 07:25:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > "BM" == Borja Marcos writes: > > > I agree with this. > > Also, on the theory that if a PC supports Linux it is a reasonably > good bet it will support plan9, I might suggest lurking in places like > comp.os.linux.hardware? (I can think of a couple of PC vendors who > sell what they claim to be Linux compatible systems but I have never > used one so I can't recommend any.) Yes, a good test is to run OS/2, a version of Unix and Linux. If the three systems work, the motherboard may work. A VERY IMPORTANT suggestion: test your motherboard with _all the cards you want to use_. I have seen motherboards work fine until you add a SCSI host adapter and/or an ethernet card. I think we should have a sort of recommended hardware list. I can volunteer to maintain it. It would be written from the experiences of the members of this list with different kinds of hardware. Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 05:43:51 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45512>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:33:25 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45507>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:33:08 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:32:42 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:24:57 -0400 From: Juergen Nickelsen Message-ID: Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany References: <9509042208.AA08060@mwtech.rent-a-guru.de> Subject: Re: Driver for Sigma Laserview Display? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <9509042208.AA08060@mwtech.rent-a-guru.de> Martin.Weitzel@rent-a-guru.DE (Martin Weitzel) writes: > Since some years I use a `Sigma Laserview' (19" B&W monitor, > 1600x1200) with X11 and ISC Unix. [...] About the same applies to the Hyundai HGC-1280 display I have as the only one in my PC. XFree86 knows this (non-standard) monochrome display, driving it with 1280x1024 pixels. I tried to boot the plan9 diskette from the demo kit, but it hung after writing a single message. (Which I have forgotten now, and at ehe moment my PC is torn into pieces for the sake of a friend who wants to finish her dissertation with appropriate hardware.) Is there any chance that someone has written or will write a driver for the HGC-1280? I can't do it without this driver (bootstrapping problem!), unless (next question) plan9 can work with the ancient text-only IBM Monochrome Display Adapter, which is my only alternative. Would *this* work? -- Juergen Nickelsen >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 05:50:32 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45507>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:43:11 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45510>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:33:09 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:32:44 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:48:00 -0400 From: Staffan Ulfberg Message-ID: Organization: Plan 9 mailing list References: <67661.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> Subject: Re: fixes in the works Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <67661.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> sharris@fox.nstn.CA (sharris) writes: jmk@plan9.ATt.COM wrote: > > From: staffanu@tcs07.nada.kth.SE (Staffan Ulfberg) > > Subject: Re: Installation problems:-( > > ... > > When b.com is started, it prints info about the hard drives it can > > find on the screen; in my case: > > > > >hd0: 1669260 sectors 854661120 bytes > > >hd1: 128 sectors 280559616 bytes (This is wrong! The drive is 560MB.) > > (Exactly half of "real capacity"?) DOS or the BIOS has a limitation where it can't handle anything > 1023 cylinders, so there's often something in the boot sector fiddles the numbers. e.g. with a 1200 cylinder 8 head drive, the BIOS pretends it's 600 and 16 to get around that limitation. Linux on large drives needs to have this nonsense overridden or it gets very confused. Sounds to me like Plan 9 & the DOS number-fiddling software don't like each other & Plan 9 is only seeing half the cylinders. I also thought it might have to do with this, but not anymore... I have deleted all partitions on the second drive, fiddled with the CMOS setup options,... nothing helps. (Also, I don't have a DOS driver to use the >1024 cylinders - I use OS/2 :-) Also, I have succesfully installed Plan 9 on my first drive now, which is 850 MB. I just think my drive is incompatible. Anyone else using a Samsung 560 MB? Staffan P.S. I found some very informative documents describing how partitoining, booting, 1024 cylinder boundaries, etc. work on a PC: ftp://ftp.rahul.net/pub/lps/hard-disk/How_It_Works... -- /D{def}def /d{.00017 add D}D /C{2 copy dup mul exch dup mul}D /g 150 string D /y .29 D 150 150 8[.4 0 0 .4 -45 -90]{/x -1.2 D 0 1 149{x y /n 300 D{/n n 5 sub D C exch sub x add 3 1 roll 2 mul mul y add C add 4 gt n 5 eq or{exit }if}loop pop pop g exch n put /x x d}for /y y d g}image showpage >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 05:58:41 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45510>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:51:06 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45521>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:50:48 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id SAA02962 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:50:11 GMT Message-Id: <199509061850.SAA02962@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: How to get access scsi CDROM? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:50:09 -0400 From: Kenji Okamoto Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm using 486/ISA with AHA1542B scsi HBA + a scsi disk + CDROM. Now, I'd like to get my CDROM wakeup to read iso9660 formated cdrom. When I tried, term% 9660srv, got a directory of /srv/9660, but not /dev/????. Then, I cannot mount this cdrom device. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 06:27:10 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45517>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:18:20 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45506>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:17:59 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:12:59 -0400 Subject: re: How to get access scsi CDROM? Message-Id: <95Sep6.061759edt.45506@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans see cdrom(3) and dossrv(4) for details. 9660srv can serve several CDROM devices. you select a particular one using a parameter to the mount command; see bind(1). check that directory /n/cd exists: it might be called /n/cdrom. if neither exists, just mkdir /n/cd first. chmod 555 /n/cd . there isn't anything special about that name, by the way. you can mount the cdrom's contents anywhere that isn't silly. suppose the CDROM is set to SCSI ID 6 (if not, make appropriate substitutions in the device names below). then: bind -a '#R6' /dev # note the '...' protecting the # in #R ls -l /dev/cd6 # should show something useful mount /srv/9660 /n/cd /dev/cd6 # now the contents of /dev/cd6 are visible under /n/cd, # in the current name space. you can also name the #R device directly in the mount command, without the bind: mount /srv/9660 /n/cd '#R6/cd6' if #R isn't known, try substituting #w6 for #R6 and #w6/sd6disk for #R6/cd6 throughout. note that if you mount the Plan 9 CDROM this way using the 4 diskette system, you can try: bind -b /n/cd/386/bin /bin bind -b /n/cd/rc/bin /bin and make something nearer the full command set available. (you might then need to do something similar for /sys and /lib for commands that need special data files.) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 06:35:39 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45519>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:27:31 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45506>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:26:42 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA27675; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:20:03 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17858; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:18:42 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07275; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:18:37 +0200 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:18:37 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9509061018.AA07275@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: 9fans Subject: Re: authentication server for unix Content-Length: 727 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > if anyone outside of the us wants des, they can have mine. mail me. Hi! I'm very interested in your code, can you mail it to me? Thank you very much in advance! Unfortunately I only have the money for one Plan9 PC, so an old DECstattion has to play the file and authentication server. Tschuess, Henner -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 08:54:09 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45522>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:44:18 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45520>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:44:02 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:43:25 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:53:49 -0400 From: Frank Hofmann Message-ID: <42jr3d$qjp@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany References: <95Aug27.005132edt.45490@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: future co-existence with Linux? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans jmk@plan9.ATt.COM wrote: : > a) making plan9 bootable from LILO (the Linux loader)? : I don't know what LILO does, in fact I know very little about Linux. : The Plan 9 kernel has to be loaded into memory at 0x100020 and jumped to : in protected mode. It also expects some configuration data to be left : around in low memory. These two things are usually done by the boot : programme 'b.com' which can be started either from MS-DOS or directly : from the boot sector on a floppy. As b.com can be installed on a floppy boot sector, it should also install to the boot sector of your plan 9 partition. If this works, you might well add it to any boot menu type program for selecting different OS. LILO for example will execute the boot program found in the boot sector of the specified partition (if it's *not* the linux partition). So does the OS/2 bootmanager (if you install LILO on your root partition's boot sector, the bootmanager is able to boot linux). I think it should be possible to write b.com to the bootsector of the plan9 partition in two ways: 1. Use DOS DEBUG (would anyone else give the exact procedure ?) 2. Use LILO. By editing the LILO config file by hand, you might specify any binary file to write to any partition's bootsector. I admit - this *should* work theoretically. I cannot test it before I return home (end september). If I'm successful, I'll post a summary. If someone can try this before, please mail me if it worked. Bye ! Frank >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 10:15:44 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45524>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:03:23 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45520>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:03:01 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <811>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:02:46 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: Re: PC-clone hardware Message-Id: <95Sep6.100246edt.811@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:02:40 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) wrote: > I think we should have a sort of recommended hardware list. Take a look at the "PC-clone hardware used at Bell Labs" URL http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/clone.html > I can volunteer to maintain it. It would be written from the > experiences of the members of this list with different kinds of > hardware. A list such as that is already being compiled. In early August, presotto@plan9.att.com wrote: > I'm trying to make a list of PC models that Plan 9 works on. > Could you mail me the flavor PC you are using, i.e., box > or motherboard manufacturer and model number? Thanks much. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 11:33:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45539>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:22:39 -0400 Received: from localhost.nyu.edu ([128.122.237.136]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45526>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:22:22 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.nyu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA00143; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:52:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:52:45 -0400 From: "Michael C. Montero" To: 9fans Subject: Adding Plan9 to Boot Manager? In-Reply-To: <42jr3d$qjp@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Has anyone been able to add Plan9 to Boot Manager? I currently have it with DOS and Linux and I do not want to lose either. If someone has done it and can give me a description I would appreciate it! Thanks! Mike >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 12:19:01 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45512>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:09:41 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45505>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:09:16 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04804; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:08:17 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509061608.AA04804@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: PC-clone hardware To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:37:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Sep6.100246edt.811@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> from "Steve Kotsopoulos" at Sep 6, 95 10:02:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) wrote: > > > I think we should have a sort of recommended hardware list. > > Take a look at the "PC-clone hardware used at Bell Labs" > URL http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/clone.html > > > I can volunteer to maintain it. It would be written from the > > experiences of the members of this list with different kinds of > > hardware. > > A list such as that is already being compiled. > In early August, presotto@plan9.att.com wrote: > > > I'm trying to make a list of PC models that Plan 9 works on. > > Could you mail me the flavor PC you are using, i.e., box > > or motherboard manufacturer and model number? Thanks much. OK, then I will send my experiences to him. :-) Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 12:24:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34329>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:46:16 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34328>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:45:55 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16183; Wed, 6 Sep 95 16:45:34 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA23344; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:45:26 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01245; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:45:21 +0100 Message-Id: <9509061545.AA01245@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: more CD woes X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:45:20 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 373 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It turns out that the PC I've been using doesn't have either a SCSI CD-ROM or a SoundBlaster. Instead, the CD-ROM is given as an NEC CD on drive 2, presumably on a secondary IDE controller (you can tell I know nothing about PC hardware). Plan 9 isn't making this available as one of the /dev/hd* drives, so I presume there's no way this is going to work, is there? steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 12:54:15 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45510>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:42:28 -0400 Received: from minster.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.16.26]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45503>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:42:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Sender: pete@minster.york.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2b1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:39:37 -0400 To: 9fans From: Pete Fenelon Subject: Re: more CD woes Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans At 11:45 AM 9/6/95 -0400, Steve_Kilbane wrote: >It turns out that the PC I've been using doesn't have either a SCSI >CD-ROM or a SoundBlaster. Instead, the CD-ROM is given as an NEC >CD on drive 2, presumably on a secondary IDE controller It might not even be IDE -- IDE CDROM is a recent development. A lot of early and/or cheap CD-Roms have nasty, obscure proprietary controllers. pete -- Peter Fenelon - Research Associate - High Integrity Systems Engineering Group, Dep't of Computer Science, University of York, York, YO1 5DD (+44 1904 433388) pete.fenelon@minster.york.ac.uk http://dcpu1.cs.york.ac.uk:6666/pete/pete.html >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 13:26:06 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45529>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:10:04 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45517>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:09:46 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:09:11 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:07:33 -0400 From: M G Berberich Message-ID: <42k2u5$sao@news.rz.uni-passau.de> Organization: University of Passau, Germany Subject: Plan9 for Amiga ?? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Is there an Amiga version of plan9?? [ Not yet. Does the Amiga have a decent MMU these days? - mod ] If yes: where can I get it. MfG bmg -- "Des is vvllig wurscht, was heut beschlos- | Matthias Berberich sen wird: I bin sowieso dagegn!" | berberic@forwiss.uni-passau.de (SPD-Stadtrat Kurt Schindler; Regensburg) | >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 13:42:00 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45624>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:30:53 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45519>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:28:14 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:08:07 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:40:24 -0400 From: Arnulf Guenther Message-ID: Organization: Informatik, Freie Universitaet Berlin Subject: Order info Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Is there another way to order Plan9 than by phone? [ Go into any bookshop, and ask for the package with ISBN 0-03-017143-1 -- mod ] Maybe by secure HTTP. Or a simple postal address. And is it possible to pay by credit card? Best regards, -Arnulf >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 13:51:52 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45528>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:41:20 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45549>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:28:58 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:13:15 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:49:58 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Message-ID: <42kcen$epq@jupiter.sdd.cegelecproj.co.uk> Organization: DSDIC Team, Cegelec Projects Ltd. References: <9509051015.AA15050@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> Subject: Re: file-server setup. --> Sun config stuff.. Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <42iefg$gj3@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>, johns@cs.umr.EDU (John Stone) writes: > In article <9509051015.AA15050@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk>, > Steve_Kilbane <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote: > >A more extreme method was to try installing the CD directly to a Sun running > >/sparc/9ssfs. However, after that kernel loads via tftp, it doesn't do > >anything. I'd expected the config: prompt, but it appears to have hung. ^T^Tr > >and L1-A don't do anything. This was a surprise, because 9ss and 9sscd both > >work. > First, you need to be running an SS2, IPX, or one of the other SS2-like > Sun4C machines. Yep. it's an SS2, with 64MB. > That said, I think I know of one thing to check: > > Does your SS2/IPX/...'s disk spin up at power on, or at scsi "start"? As far as I know. Also, I've tried: - booting as you suggest - booting from a power reset - booting straight after halting SunOS with no apparent differences in results. > If anyone else has explainations for the SCSI and lance errors, let me > know.. I haven't seen any errors at all. It finishes downloading the kernel, and That's All She Wrote. :-( steve -- ISPs are responsible for maintaining the Information Superhighway. They are not responsible for how you drive. #include >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 14:09:10 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45631>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:57:48 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45546>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:54:26 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:33:41 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:29:19 -0400 From: Dave Sill Message-ID: Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, Tenn., USA References: Subject: Re: Why? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <424dn0$83h@jupiter.sdd.cegelecproj.co.uk> Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.UK (Steve_Kilbane) writes: > And it's not a toy; it's a complete system that has been used solidly > for about five years as some people's main computing platform. Are there commercial applications available yet? > Well, speaking personally, I'm damn glad it exists. It's been the > source of inspiration for most of the tools I use on my UNIX box, > and I hope this trend continues. Which UNIX tools do you use that are Plan-9-inspired? -- Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov) Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Oak Ridge National Lab, Workstation Support >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 14:28:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45544>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:15:36 -0400 Received: from molly.cs.monash.edu.au ([130.194.64.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45629>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:11:12 -0400 Received: (from acb@localhost) by molly.cs.monash.edu.au (8.6.10/8.6.9) id EAA22994 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 04:05:07 +1000 From: Andrew C Bulhak Message-Id: <199509061805.EAA22994@molly.cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: Re: Plan9 for Amiga ?? To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:05:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <42k2u5$sao@news.rz.uni-passau.de> from "M G Berberich" at Sep 6, 95 08:07:33 am X-Life-The-Universe-And-Everything: 42 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1130 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [M G Berberich] > > Is there an Amiga version of plan9?? > [ Not yet. Does the Amiga have a decent MMU these days? - mod ] Higher-end Amigas (the 2500 and 3000, I think, and perhaps the 2000) have a MMU; there is a port of Linux to these machines (I don't know what state it's in at the moment though). A port of Plan 9 to such Amigas would be possible (how much demand there'd be for it is another question, but if there's at least one die-hard Amiga hacker with a Plan 9 CD and some spare time, there's enough ;-) ). Another nice thing is that, once an Amiga port exists, an Atari port would be trivial. The Amiga and Atari versions of Linux/68k run off the same binaries, and perhaps even dual-purpose kernel images. -- /d/def/s/scale/u/dup/f/forall{load def}{loop}stopped pop/r{u 1 lt{-1 0 moveto 1 1 lineto stroke}{[[(ha_a0\211)(db\\h\(~)(eVhdOj)(jd_dbd)(dh\\bT\200)(f_ab^\211) (c]ffe\201)(`@h`x\200)(cZhd#h)(hb^d0v)(`Lh`8t)(eVhd\223~)(gj^a\230j)(h_ab\210a) (gd^c\211\205)]{[exch{96 sub}f]}f]{gsave 1 64 div u s concat u 1 sub r grestore }f}ifelse pop}d 240 u s 1.25 1 translate 4 r showpage% - acb@cs.monash.edu.au - >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 14:41:08 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45659>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:31:27 -0400 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM ([192.9.25.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45552>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:27:48 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id LAA25394; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:11:17 -0700 Received: from mufasa.Eng.Sun.COM (mufasa41.Eng.Sun.COM) by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA04914; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:11:10 -0700 Received: from ajax.Eng.Sun.COM by mufasa.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10264; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:11:02 -0700 Received: by ajax.Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA12522; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:11:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199509061811.LAA12522@ajax.Eng.Sun.COM> Subject: Re: more CD woes To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:11:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9509061545.AA01245@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> from "Steve_Kilbane" at Sep 6, 95 11:45:20 am From: doug.becker@Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Becker) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It turns out that the PC I've been using doesn't have either a SCSI CD-ROM or a SoundBlaster. Instead, the CD-ROM is given as an NEC CD on drive 2, presumably on a secondary IDE controller (you can tell I know nothing about PC hardware). Plan 9 isn't making this available as one of the /dev/hd* drives, so I presume there's no way this is going to work, is there? Sorry, no answer here -- I've got a similar setup (a Sanyo 3-disk CD changer apparently attached to the secondary IDE controller on the motherboard), and just came to that realization myself. (I haven't really played much yet to see if I can get the CD mounted, however.) I've got an Ensoniq Soundscape card, which I believe claims to be SoundBlaster-compatible, but I've no idea if it's feasible to somehow hang the changer off that; I assume not, though I intend to check it out. Exacerbating this is the presence of a perfectly functional Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI card (connected to a cavernous and fast disk) which is similarly unsupported, but that's yet a different story. :-) (jmk: I know you tried. You wouldn't happen to have, say, a beta-quality 2940 driver, would you? :-) If CDROMs must indeed be attached to either a SoundBlaster card or a supported SCSI card (i.e., IDE is not supported), then it's a *major* bummer. Doug Becker doug.becker@eng.sun.com P.S. My machine is a Gateway 2000 P5-120XL. I've loaded the 4-floppy system, and with a couple of exceptions (both of them minor, I think), the system works splendidly. Now if I can just get that CD extracted... :-) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 14:57:29 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45553>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:45:22 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45622>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:40:43 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04897; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:18:49 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509061818.AA04897@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: Order info To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:48:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: from "Arnulf Guenther" at Sep 6, 95 09:40:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Is there another way to order Plan9 than by phone? > [ Go into any bookshop, and ask for the package with ISBN 0-03-017143-1 -- mod ] > > Maybe by secure HTTP. Or a simple postal address. > And is it possible to pay by credit card? I ordered it by phone with a VISA credit card. (I live in Spain) Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 15:16:19 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45509>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:06:13 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45633>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:03:41 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:51:59 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:11:20 -0400 From: Dave Sill Message-ID: Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, Tenn., USA References: Subject: Re: Why? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <42bea1$sm6@wolfe.wimsey.com> curt@cynic.portal.CA (Curt Sampson) writes: > In article , > Dave Sill wrote: > > > >If $350 is a give-away, why not just sell it for $50-100 (to cover > >distribution costs)? > > How do you know that $50-$100 would cover distribution costs? My benchmark is Linux. There are 4-CD Linux distributions that sell for $25. Surely Plan 9 source, docs & binaries would fit on a couple CD's--forget the printed manuals. > Regardless, I don't see what the big problem with $350 is. There > are a lot of other areas of interest where you would have to justify > sums either similar or an order of magnitude larger, that to many > will seem unjustifiable. I just think Plan 9 would have a bigger impact, and sooner, if it was less expensive. Yes, I *could* find $350...if I wanted it that badly. Think how many more people would buy it, try it, and hack on it if it was $50... -- Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov) Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Oak Ridge National Lab, Workstation Support >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 15:42:26 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45526>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:32:48 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45675>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:26:34 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19724; Wed, 6 Sep 95 20:21:45 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA25895; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:21:41 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA10755; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:21:37 +0100 Message-Id: <9509061921.AA10755@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans Subject: Re: Why? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 06 Sep 1995 13:29:19 EDT." X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:21:36 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 364 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Are there commercial applications available yet? Unlikely, because it's only just become commercially available. > Which UNIX tools do you use that are Plan-9-inspired? The sam editor. The es and rc shells. The 8 1/2 -like X window environment (9wm, 9term, 9menu). And recently, the ACME emulator wily. There's not a lot else I use on my machine. :-) steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 16:05:16 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45557>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:55:15 -0400 Received: from krystal.com ([205.230.227.129]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45519>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:54:18 -0400 Received: (from prb@localhost) by krystal.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA22560; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:52:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:52:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199509061952.OAA22560@krystal.com> To: Dave Sill , 9fans From: Paul Borman Subject: Re: Why? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It costs a few bucks to make a CD. It costs a lot of money to be a corporation, have employees, pay lawyers, etc. It is *totally* unfare to compare Linux (or FreeBSD, or ...) to anything that is done by a corporation. They are totally different entities. I am just happy that AT&T even allowed Plan 9 out the door and made it for such a reasonable cost (I to would have liked it to be cheaper, but I certainly can't complain about a $350 site license). -Paul Borman prb@bsdi.com > My benchmark is Linux. There are 4-CD Linux distributions that sell > for $25. Surely Plan 9 source, docs & binaries would fit on a couple > CD's--forget the printed manuals. > > > Regardless, I don't see what the big problem with $350 is. There > > are a lot of other areas of interest where you would have to justify > > sums either similar or an order of magnitude larger, that to many > > will seem unjustifiable. > > I just think Plan 9 would have a bigger impact, and sooner, if it was > less expensive. Yes, I *could* find $350...if I wanted it that > badly. Think how many more people would buy it, try it, and hack on it > if it was $50... > > -- > Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov) > Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Oak Ridge National Lab, Workstation Support > >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 16:25:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45639>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:12:51 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45546>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:04:58 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04936; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:55:24 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509061955.AA04936@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: Why? To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:24:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: from "Dave Sill" at Sep 6, 95 02:11:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > In article <42bea1$sm6@wolfe.wimsey.com> curt@cynic.portal.CA (Curt Sampson) writes: > > > In article , > > Dave Sill wrote: > > > > > >If $350 is a give-away, why not just sell it for $50-100 (to cover > > >distribution costs)? > > > > How do you know that $50-$100 would cover distribution costs? > > My benchmark is Linux. There are 4-CD Linux distributions that sell > for $25. Surely Plan 9 source, docs & binaries would fit on a couple > CD's--forget the printed manuals. Linux is a public free system. The companies which "sell" Linux ONLY have to cover the CD costs. They don't pay any license fees because the authors of Linux don't want it. But not everyone can *or wants to* give away a system. AT&T don't want to give it away, and they have the right to do it. Anyway, think of it compared to other sold operating systems. It includes source code (try to get sources for OS/2, any Windows version...) If we compare the price with the price of a computer... it's a gift. > I just think Plan 9 would have a bigger impact, and sooner, if it was > less expensive. Yes, I *could* find $350...if I wanted it that > badly. Think how many more people would buy it, try it, and hack on it > if it was $50... Well, perhaps it's a cultural problem. I have paid more than $700 for a bike, more for my caving equipment.... it would be great if it was cheaper, but it isn't. Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 16:36:13 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34352>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:15:38 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34355>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:15:03 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20440; Wed, 6 Sep 95 21:14:37 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA26567; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:14:33 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12071; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:14:29 +0100 Message-Id: <9509062014.AA12071@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: Scott Schwartz , 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: Re: file-server setup. --> Sun config stuff.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 06 Sep 1995 15:45:00 EDT." <95Sep6.154506edt.12726@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:14:28 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 220 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Scott wrote: > You've got a serial tty plugged into ttya, right? > That's what it uses for the console. > WHOA! Hell, no. I must've missed that. Bloody hell. And it works, too. i can go home now. :-) thanks. steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 16:39:37 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45546>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:29:15 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.134]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45641>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:25:14 -0400 Received: from hogpa.ho.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA22514; Wed, 6 Sep 95 08:57:33 EDT Received: from hogpd.ho.att.com by hogpa.ho.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.2 sol2) id AA13865; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:58:14 -0400 Received: by hogpd.ho.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1 SunOS) id AA19809; Wed, 6 Sep 95 08:58:13 EDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:58:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9509061258.AA19809@hogpd.ho.att.com> From: whjake@hogpa.ho.att.com (Norman B Thompson) To: 9fans Subject: unsubscribe Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans unsubscribe >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 18:42:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45512>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:33:01 -0400 Received: from postman.ncube.com ([134.242.8.47]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45510>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:32:45 -0400 Received: from garcon.ncube.com by postman.ncube.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20471; Wed, 6 Sep 95 15:32:23 PDT Received: from pejs.ncube.com by garcon.ncube.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23275; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:32:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:32:20 -0400 From: sch@postman.ncube.com (Steve Hemminger) Message-Id: <9509062232.AA23275@garcon.ncube.com> Received: by pejs.ncube.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06670; Wed, 6 Sep 95 15:33:05 PDT To: 9fans Subject: botch on long long byte order Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Order of elements in Length union is incorrect: :Program to demonstrate: ------------- #include #include Length l; void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { USED(argc, argv); l.length = 1; l.hlength=0; print("should be 1 is %lld\n", l.vlength); l.hlength = 1; l.length = 0; print("should be 0x100000000 is %ullx\n", l.vlength); l.vlength = 1; print("should be 1 (0/1) is %lld (%ld/%ld)\n", l.vlength, l.hlength, l.length); } : I get ------------- should be 1 is 4294967296 should be 0x100000000 is 1 should be 1 (0/1) is 1 (1/0) ------------- WARNING: putting them in the correct order (/386/include/u.h) will mean rebuilding the world though since the file system is byte order independant, the disk does not need to be reloaded. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 19:43:20 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45522>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:34:23 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45507>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:34:06 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 00:33:44 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:46:58 -0400 From: Will Rose Message-ID: Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA References: Subject: Re: Plan9 & OS/2 Boot Manager Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Michael C. Montero (root@localhost.nyu.EDU) wrote: : I am trying to setup Plan9 on my machine which has OS/2 Boot Manager. I : currently have a DOS parition and a Linux partition. I followed the : steps outlined in the documentation for setting up the PC distribution : (20 megs) of Plan9. However, for some reason the Disk1 is setting itself : up on the floppy instead of on the partition I left available for Plan9. I installed on an OS/2 machine and hit the same problem. There can be only one partition (BootManager is a partition) on the drive on which you install Plan 9. I had MSDOS and Bootmanager on the same disk, the first, and got the results you describe. Once I removed Bootmanager the install went smoothly. Since this was a test to see if my hardware was compatible, I just removed Plan 9 after a day and didn't start chasing down possible solutions for continuing use. Will cwr@crash.cts.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 19:51:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45544>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:44:10 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45539>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:43:36 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 00:40:20 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:33:31 -0400 From: Robert Gorichanaz Message-ID: <42l0ir$juv@marina.cinenet.net> Organization: Cinenet Communications,Internet Access,Los Angeles;310-301-4500 References: <95Aug28.094308edt.446@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Subject: Re: problems using IDE disk Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Steve Kotsopoulos (steve@ecf.toronto.EDU) wrote: : I've tried booting it with my 50Meg IDE disk on and the scsi disk : turned off, and it's getting a bit farther. I came across a very kewl situation late last night. I have a buslogic scsi card with a seagate 2.1Gb drive, and a VESA IDE card with a couple of old IDE drives sitting in my closet gathering dust. My scsi drive is partitioned into 4 chunks - dos/windows, win95, NTserver and FreeBSD - so there's really nowhere to install Plan9; I need my scsi disk to be the boot drive otherwise things get really messy. So, I did this: I grabbed one of my old Quantum 240's (IDE), installed it in the BIOS table (AMI Bios 8/24/94), made a 20Mb DOS partition on it and set it as the active partition. Then, I installed Plan 9 on this IDE drive in c:\plan9, rebooted the machine, and installed the other 3 floppies. I was thinking: This is cool, if I want to run plan9, I just add the IDE drive in the BIOS table - otherwise, take it out of the table and the machine boots off the SCSI disk. Then, I went 1 farther. I xcopyied the plan9 directory from C: (the IDE drive) to D: (the 1st partition of the scsi disk) and fired up plan9 off the D: drive - worked like a charm. It booted, switched over to drive C: and asked my if i'd like to start the windowing system - COOL!. Lastly, I decided "what the hell" and REMOVED the IDE drive's entry from the BIOS table. My machine boots up on the scsi disk, I select MS_DOS from my partition table manager, and booted into DOS. Then, I ran c:\plan9\b.com (used to be on D: with the IDE drive installed, but now its C:) and.... .... ... Plan9 from Bell Labs... Would you like to start the windowing system? (or something like that) The moral of the story? Since Plan9 doesnt rely on your BIOS to establish what peripherals are attached to your machine, you can pull some rather strange "stunts". I can now boot my machine off the scsi disk, and access a full plan9 filesystem on the IDE drive. I even added a little MSDOS config menu thingy in config.sys to start plan9 right off, without installing memory manangers and such (plan9 boot doesnt really like QEMM in stealth mode!) Happy Hackin! -bob >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 19:59:00 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45552>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:52:25 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45509>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:52:07 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 00:51:53 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:51:55 -0400 From: Hamish Macdonald Message-ID: Organization: The Linux Border References: <42k2u5$sao@news.rz.uni-passau.de> Subject: Re: Plan9 for Amiga ?? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <42k2u5$sao@news.rz.uni-passau.de>, berberic@forwiss.uni-passau.DE (M G Berberich) wrote: > Is there an Amiga version of plan9?? > [ Not yet. Does the Amiga have a decent MMU these days? - mod ] > If yes: where can I get it. Amigas can be found available with the entire gamut of 68020/68851 -> 68030 -> 68040 and even 68060. Of course, a lowly A500 (68000) or A1200 (68EC020) won't support something like plan9 without some sort of CPU expansion card. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 6 20:05:06 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45509>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:58:34 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45539>; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:52:23 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 00:51:58 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:38:50 -0400 From: Hamish Macdonald Message-ID: Organization: The Linux Border References: <42k2u5$sao@news.rz.uni-passau.de> Subject: Re: Plan9 for Amiga ?? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <199509061805.EAA22994@molly.cs.monash.edu.au>, 9fans@cse.psu.edu wrote: > Another nice thing is that, once an Amiga port exists, an Atari port > would be trivial. The Amiga and Atari versions of Linux/68k run off the > same binaries, and perhaps even dual-purpose kernel images. I wouldn't say trivial. The common portion between the Atari and Amiga for the Linux port is the context switching and memory management stuff. For a plan9 port you'd hopefully be getting this stuff from an earlier Sun3 or NeXT port anyway. The "tough" part of a port is the device drivers, and creating drivers for the Amiga hardware isn't really going to help you drivers for the Atari hardware. Your latter remark is correct, in that identical Linux/68k binaries run on either machine when it is running a Linux/68k kernel, and you can configure/build a "superset" kernel which can be booted on either machine. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 01:21:22 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45561>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:13:29 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45553>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:13:12 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from gary for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Thu, 07 Sep 1995 15:12:40 +1000 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU. by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU.; Thu, 07 Sep 1995 15:12:37 +1000 To: 9fans Subject: Re: Why? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:12:36 -0400 From: Gary Capell Message-Id: <95Sep7.011312edt.45553@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In message , Dave Sill writes: >Which UNIX tools do you use that are Plan-9-inspired? rc, sam (neither original to Plan 9), 9term, wily That is, shell, terminal and editor: most of my day-to-day contact with the computer. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 01:48:17 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45557>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:39:48 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45553>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:39:26 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id OAA03859 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:39:47 GMT Message-Id: <199509071439.OAA03859@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: Which scsi CDROM can be used? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I installed ftp version of Plan 9 on my 486ISA + AHA1542B machine, and still have problem to read CDROM. I tried three kinds of CDROM drives, Sony CDU-561, Chinon CDS-535 and Chinon CDS-431. At the booting Plan 9, while in the CGA mode, it reports us the detected scsi devices, such as scsi0: cap 415436 sec 512 scsi6: cap 322258 sec 2048 in my case. However, I can get the second line only for CDS-431. Are there any compatibility list of this kinds? kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 01:58:08 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45617>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:51:12 -0400 Received: from molly.cs.monash.edu.au ([130.194.64.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45589>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:50:55 -0400 Received: (from acb@localhost) by molly.cs.monash.edu.au (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA11405 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:50:37 +1000 From: Andrew C Bulhak Message-Id: <199509070550.PAA11405@molly.cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: Re: Why? To: 9fans Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:50:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9509061921.AA10755@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> from "Steve_Kilbane" at Sep 6, 95 03:21:36 pm X-Life-The-Universe-And-Everything: 42 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 624 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Steve_Kilbane] > > > Which UNIX tools do you use that are Plan-9-inspired? > > The sam editor. The es and rc shells. The 8 1/2 -like X window Is es the functional pattern-matching shell? If so, where can I find it? -- /d/def/s/scale/u/dup/f/forall{load def}{loop}stopped pop/r{u 1 lt{-1 0 moveto 1 1 lineto stroke}{[[(ha_a0\211)(db\\h\(~)(eVhdOj)(jd_dbd)(dh\\bT\200)(f_ab^\211) (c]ffe\201)(`@h`x\200)(cZhd#h)(hb^d0v)(`Lh`8t)(eVhd\223~)(gj^a\230j)(h_ab\210a) (gd^c\211\205)]{[exch{96 sub}f]}f]{gsave 1 64 div u s concat u 1 sub r grestore }f}ifelse pop}d 240 u s 1.25 1 translate 4 r showpage% - acb@cs.monash.edu.au - >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 04:13:34 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45572>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 03:59:18 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45471>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 03:59:02 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 03:50:52 -0400 Subject: re: Which scsi CDROM can be used? Message-Id: <95Sep7.035902edt.45471@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>I tried three kinds of CDROM drives, Sony CDU-561, Chinon CDS-535 >>and Chinon CDS-431. At the booting Plan 9, while in the CGA mode, >>it reports us the detected scsi devices, such as >> scsi0: cap 415436 sec 512 >> scsi6: cap 322258 sec 2048 >>in my case. However, I can get the second line only for CDS-431. i use a Chinon CDS-535 (SCSI) CDROM on my plan 9 machine at home and it works very well. i am using an Ultrastor 14F SCSI controller, not an Adaptec, but i'd suggest checking the normal SCSI things: termination, cabling, etc. i have used the CDS535 as both an internal and external drive, by the way. i did have a conflict between an old Seagate ST3283N SCSI drive and the Chinon: if i looked at so much as a block on the Seagate with the Chinon on the SCSI bus, the bus and/or adapter hung. the problem went away when i replaced the seagate by a newer Quantum drive. that doesn't necessarily mean that the Seagate was at fault (it might just have been more sensitive, poor thing, to something the Chinon did). furthermore, when the same Chinon is connected to an SGI Indy, the Indy will talk to it, but shows SCSI errors and bus resets when (i presume) the i/o activity to the SCSI begins to take off; i have the same problem when an old Sun (Sony) CDROM is connected to the Indy, doing the same sort of thing (software installation). again, it could be cabling, termination, or the software in the Sony and Chinon drives. that's SCSI for you ... to sum up: the Chinon CDS-535 is not incompatible with Plan 9, but if it's not recognised, it might indicate a SCSI problem elsewhere. termination is the easiest thing to check: use Active Terminators, and check that only the devices at the end of the chain are terminated. (a machine i looked at recently had terminators in every drive! note that in most cases it is not sufficient just to change the jumpers controlling power to the terminators, you must remove the terminator packs themselves. failing to do so has been a common mistake round here.) one other thing that might be important: originally i used the terminator that came with the Chinon drive. it seemed to work with Plan 9, but the Indy put up a terrible fuss, and really didn't want to look at it. things improved dramatically when i replaced the Chinon pass-through terminator by a separate Active Terminator. ``well, it worked under DOS and Windows'', someone said to me recently. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 04:47:05 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45618>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 04:38:28 -0400 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com ([192.100.81.117]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45555>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 04:38:10 -0400 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA01996; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:35:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 04:35:05 -0400 From: haahr@netcom.com (Paul Haahr) Message-Id: <199509070835.JAA01996@netcom8.netcom.com> To: "Andrew C. Bulhak" Cc: 9fans Subject: Re: Why? In-Reply-To: <199509070550.PAA11405@molly.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <9509061921.AA10755@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> <199509070550.PAA11405@molly.cs.monash.edu.au> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Andrew C. Bulhak wrote > [Steve_Kilbane] > > > Which UNIX tools do you use that are Plan-9-inspired? > > > > The sam editor. The es and rc shells. The 8 1/2 -like X window Es is only 2nd order plan9-inspired; it's rc- & Scheme-inspired. > Is es the functional pattern-matching shell? Well, it's a functional language, but there's no pattern matching. > If so, where can I find it? For more details, see http://www.webcom.com/~haahr/es/es-usenix-winter93.html This discussion probably doesn't belong in comp.os.plan9 or 9fans. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 08:29:05 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45631>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:17:09 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45629>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:16:52 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06476; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:45:12 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509071045.AA06476@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: re: Why? To: 9fans Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:14:50 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans A little note about the pricing of Plan 9. (I think we are really lucky with the price AT&T has put to it) Some months ago I tried to license Amoeba. Amoeba is a distributed system designed at a university in Netherlands. The license is free *ONLY* to universities. For any entity that is not formally a university, the license costs sixtY thousand dollars. (yes, it's 60 K$). Is Plan 9 expensive? Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 10:36:42 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45629>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:19:12 -0400 Received: from postman.ncube.com ([134.242.8.47]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45657>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:13:31 -0400 Received: from kira.ncube.com by postman.ncube.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10858; Thu, 7 Sep 95 07:12:19 PDT Received: from darkstar.ncube.com by kira.ncube.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA18917; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:10:18 +0800 From: markw@postman.ncube.com (Mark Wiley) Message-Id: <9509071410.AA18917@kira.ncube.com> Subject: Testing the plan 9 system To: 9fans Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:12:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 753 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I can't help thinking how much better Unix would have been if there had been a test suite released with the software and enhanced over time. Testing software is a necessary part of good sofware development, and why should each company that works with the software have to roll their own testing system? It doesn't make much sense to me. Is there any place where a test suite for plan 9 can be found? I would be interested in looking at it. Markw =============================================================================== Mark S. Wiley Email: markw@ncube.com Senior Software Test Engineer nCUBE =============================================================================== >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 11:07:20 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45660>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:55:17 -0400 Received: from mail.swip.net ([192.71.180.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45671>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:49:57 -0400 Received: from bull.se by mail.swip.net (8.6.8/3.01) id QAA13382; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:34:09 +0200 Received: from comserv.bull.se by bull.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sqhv3-0000xYC; Thu, 7 Sep 95 16:27 MDT Received: from ml by comserv.bull.se with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0sqhyd-0000ugC; Thu, 7 Sep 95 16:30 MET Received: by ml.link.bull.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sqhvd-000A3mC; Thu, 7 Sep 95 16:27 MDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:27:00 -0400 From: mkc@bull.se To: 9fans Subject: re: Why? In-Reply-To: <9509071045.AA06476@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <9509071045.AA06476@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Borja Marcos writes: > the license [for Amoeba] costs sixtY thousand dollars. (yes, it's 60 > K$). > Is Plan 9 expensive? I just read, in a Swedish computer magazine, that a commercial source license for Plan 9 would go at $200,000. I don't know if that is official or just a rumour in the computer business. Mikael Cardell Systems Engineer Telco Solutions, System Integration Services Bull Northern Europe >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 11:58:49 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45552>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:43:34 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45641>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:43:17 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07411; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:42:20 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509071542.AA07411@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: Why? To: 9fans Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:12:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: from "mkc@bull.se" at Sep 7, 95 06:27:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Borja Marcos writes: > > > the license [for Amoeba] costs sixtY thousand dollars. (yes, it's 60 > > K$). > > > Is Plan 9 expensive? > > I just read, in a Swedish computer magazine, that a commercial source > license for Plan 9 would go at $200,000. I don't know if that is > official or just a rumour in the computer business. Well, the license for Amoeba is commercial. However, I don't need a commercial license. Just wanted a distributed OS to do some independent research. Well, if I'm not a university I must get a commercial license for Amoeba. With Plan 9 I can get an affordable education license. Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 12:15:13 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45645>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:02:51 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45669>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:00:07 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:44:18 -0400 Subject: re: Why? Message-Id: <95Sep7.120007edt.45669@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >> the license [for Amoeba] costs sixtY thousand dollars. (yes, it's 60 >> K$). > >> Is Plan 9 expensive? > >I just read, in a Swedish computer magazine, that a commercial source >license for Plan 9 would go at $200,000. I don't know if that is >official or just a rumour in the computer business. Heh, heh. Sounds like the blind pencil seller on the street corner selling pencils for $1,000,000 apiece. ``You won't sell many pencils at that price'' says the passerby. ``I only have to sell one'' says he. There is no fixed price for a commercial license (i.e. a license which lets the buyer resell products or services based on the released software). We will wheel and deal with anyone that wants to consider it. We've floated a few prices but nothing is tacked down since it does depend on the what is being resold, support expected, etc. Ee might settle for a little up front and a piece of the action or a lot up front and nothing else. Contact the AT&T Software Solutions Group to haggle: 1-800-462-8146 or 1-415-943-4076. Of course companies can use Plan 9 internally on as many computers as they like for $350 total. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 12:34:47 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45633>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:23:12 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45512>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:22:55 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from gary for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Fri, 08 Sep 1995 02:22:45 +1000 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU. by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU.; Fri, 08 Sep 1995 02:22:42 +1000 To: 9fans Subject: Re: Why? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:22:42 -0400 From: Gary Capell Message-Id: <95Sep7.122255edt.45512@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In message <95Sep7.120007edt.45669@colossus.cse.psu.edu>, presotto@plan9. att.com writes: >Of course companies can use Plan 9 internally on as many >computers as they like for $350 total. Has Microsoft ordered their copy yet? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 12:55:50 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45512>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:46:05 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45557>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:45:47 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <2759>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:45:25 -0400 To: 9fans Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9,comp.os.misc From: steve@ecf.toronto.edu (Steve Kotsopoulos) Subject: Plan 9 from AT&T Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Followup-To: poster Summary: FAQ for the Plan 9 operating system Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Expires: 1 Oct 1995 Message-Id: <95Sep7.124525edt.2759@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:45:01 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Archive-name: Plan9-faq Last-modified: 7 Sept 1995 Posting-Frequency: monthly URL: http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html Welcome to comp.os.plan9. Before we Begin: This document answers frequently asked questions about the Plan 9 operating system. Much of it was taken (with permission) from Dennis Ritchie's Plan 9 Q&A press release, which was converted to html by Dave Presotto. If you've already seen that Bell Labs Plan 9 FAQ , you may want to skip straight to the following sections: * How can I Obtain Plan 9? * What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? * How do I Install Plan 9? * Are there any known problems? * How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? * Is anyone working on a port for my system? * What can I do to help? A hypertext version of this FAQ is available on my Plan 9 web page, URL http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/ Most of the links in the html version of this document point to files on the Plan 9 homepage at Bell Labs, URL http://plan9.att.com/plan9/index.html This is a preliminary draft of the FAQ, and I'm sure it will evolve quickly now that comp.os.plan9 has been created. Please forward any comments or suggestions to steve@ecf.toronto.edu. This FAQ will be posted to comp.answers and news.answers, once the *.answers moderators approve it (which may take 4 weeks or so). Note that when you see sentences written in the first person, it is the Plan 9 developers speaking, not me. Introduction: * What is Plan 9? * What is its relation to other operating systems? * What are its key ideas? * What are the advantages to this approach? Hardware and Software: * What platforms does it run on? * Is anyone working on a port for my system? * Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? * Is it object-oriented? * What about applications and tools? * What about application portability? * What resources does it need? * What GUIs does it support? * What character set does it use? * What about security and user authentication? * How does it communicate with other systems? Installation: * What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? * How do I Install Plan 9? * Are there any known problems? * It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? * How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? General Information: * Who is using Plan 9? * Where did the name come from? * What are the plans for Plan 9? * How can I Obtain Plan 9? * What can I do to help? * How can I get more detailed technical information? Introduction: Subject: What is Plan 9? Plan 9 is a new computer operating system and associated utilities. It has been built over the past several years by the Computing Science Research Center of AT&T Bell Laboratories, the same group that developed Unix, C, and C++. Plan 9 is a distributed system. In the most general configuration, it uses three kinds of components: terminals that sit on users' desks, file servers that store permanent data, and other servers that provide faster CPUs, user authentication, and network gateways. These components are connected by various kinds of networks, including Ethernet, Datakit, specially-built fiber networks, ordinary modem connections, and ISDN. In typical use, users interact with applications that run either on their terminals or on CPU servers, and the applications get their data from the file servers. The design, however, is highly configurable; it escapes from specific models of networked workstations and central machine service. Subject: What is its relation to other operating systems? Plan 9 is itself an operating system; it doesn't run as an application under another system. It was written from the ground up and doesn't include other people's code. Although the OS's interface to applications is strongly influenced by the approach of Unix, it's not a replacement for Unix; it is a new design. Subject: What are its key ideas? Plan 9 exploits, as far as possible, three basic technical ideas: first, all the system objects present themselves as named files that are manipulated by read/write operations; second, all these files may exist either locally or remotely, and respond to a standard protocol; third, the file system name space - the set of objects visible to a program - is dynamically and individually adjustable for each of the programs running on a particular machine. The first two of these ideas were foreshadowed in Unix and to a lesser extent in other systems, while the third is new: it allows a new engineering solution to the problems of distributed computing and graphics. Plan 9's approach means that application programs don't need to know where they are running; where, and on what kind of machine, to run a Plan 9 program is an economic decision that doesn't affect the construction of the application itself. Subject: What are the advantages to this approach? Plan 9's approach improves generality and modularity of application design by encouraging servers that make any kind of information appear to users and to applications just like collections of ordinary files. Here are a few examples. The Plan 9 window system (called 8€) is small and clean in part because its design is centered on providing a virtual keyboard, mouse, and screen to each of the applications running under it, while using the real keyboard, mouse, and screen supplied by the operating system. That is - besides creating, deleting, and arranging the windows themselves - its job is be a server for certain resources used by its clients. As a side benefit, this approach means that the window system can run recursively in one of its windows, or even on another machine. Plan 9 users do Internet FTP by starting a local program that makes all the files on any FTP server (anywhere on the Internet) appear to be local files. Plan 9 PC users with a DOS/Windows partition on their disk can use the files stored there. ISO 9660 CD-ROMs and tar and cpio tapes all behave as if they were native file systems. The complete I/O behavior and performance of any application can be monitored by running it under a server that sees all its interactions. The debugger can examine a program on another machine even if it is running on a different hardware architecture. Another example is the approach to networks. In Plan 9, each network presents itself as a set of files for connection creation, I/O, and control. A common semantic core for the operations is agreed upon, together with a general server for translating human-readable addresses to network-specific ones. As a result, applications don't care which kind of network (TCP/IP, ISDN, modem, Datakit) they are using. In fact, applications don't even know whether the network they are using is physically attached to the machine the application is running on: the network interface files can be imported from another machine. Hardware and Software: Subject: What platforms does it run on? The Plan 9 kernel and applications are highly portable. Plan 9 runs on four major machine architectures: Intel 386/486/Pentium, MIPS, SPARC, and Motorola 68020. Data structures and protocols are designed for distributed computing on machines of diverse design. Except for necessarily machine-dependent parts of the kernel, the compilers, and a few libraries, there is a single source representation for everything. The systems supported under each architecture are: 386 - 386, 486, Pentium and clones (see the What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? section of this faq for more information; MIPS - MIPS Magnum 3000, 6280, SGI Power Series, Indigo, Challenge M; SPARC - SLC (4/20) Sparcstation 2 (4/75) have been tested, Sparcstation 1 (4/60), IPC (4/40), 1+ (4/65), ELC (4/25), and IPX (4/50) will probably work too; 68020 - Gnot, 68040 NeXTstation. More details are available in The Various Ports at URL http://plan9.att.com/plan9/doc/port.html Subject: Is anyone working on a port for my system? The system does not run on an SGI Indy yet, but forsyth will probably get it working once he has the time. Neither the Amiga nor Atari are supported. forsyth ported an older version of Plan 9 to the Sun-3/50 and 3/60. David Hogan has the new release working on Sun-3/50 and 3/60s. He will make it available once he tidies it up. David Hogan is also working on a port to the DEC Alpha architecture. He will announce it when it is ready. Subject: Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? Yes. Our CPU and file servers are both multi-processor machines. Subject: Is it object-oriented? No, not in the conventional sense. It is written in a strict dialect of ISO/ANSI C. In a wider sense, its general design of making all its `objects' look like files to which one talks in a well-defined protocol shows a related approach. Subject: What about applications and tools? Plan 9 comes with its own compilers for C and other languages, together with all the commands and program-development tools originally pioneered in the Unix environment. It also provides newly designed software. Alef is a new language that provides threads, inter-process and inter-machine communication through typed channels, and abstract data types. Acid is a programmable debugger that understands multiple-process programs, and the programs it is debugging may be running on a hardware platform different from its own. Acme is a new user interface in which any word on the screen can be interpreted as a command by clicking on it, and any string can specify a file to be displayed. Subject: What about application portability? Plan 9 comes with a library that makes it easy to import POSIX-conforming applications. There is also a library that emulates the Berkeley socket interface. Subject: What resources does it need? As might be expected, the answer depends on what you want to do. The kernel, the window system, and the basic applications will run comfortably on a laptop PC with 8MB of memory. A single diskette can hold the kernel, window system, editor, and basic Ethernet/Internet interface. A 4-diskette set will hold a system sufficient for simple program development (compiler, loader, debugger, more utilities). On the other hand, the system can grow. Our own installation at AT&T Bell Laboratories includes multiprocessor SGI Power Series and Challenge machines as CPU servers, and a 350GB Sony WORM disk jukebox for the file server. Subject: What GUIs does it support? The standard interface doesn't use icons; Plan 9 people tend to be text-oriented. But the window system, the editor, and the general feel are very mousy, very point-and-click: Plan 9 windows are much more than a bunch of glass TTYs. The system supports the graphics primitives and libraries of basic software for building GUIs, and if need arises, the X window system has been ported to Plan 9. [Note: The X server only runs on MIPS systems. No one at Bell Labs is working on the port, so they didn't ship it with the CDROM] Subject: What character set does it use? The character set is Unicode, the 16-bit set unified with the ISO 10646 standard for representing languages used throughout the world. The system and its utilities support Unicode using a byte-stream representation (called UTF-8) that is compatible with ASCII. On Plan 9, one may grep for Cyrillic strings in a file with a Japanese name and see the results appear correctly on the terminal. Subject: What about security and user authentication? Plan 9's authentication design is akin to that of MIT's Kerberos. Passwords are never sent over networks; instead encrypted tickets are obtained from an authentication server. It doesn't have the concept of `set UID' programs. The file server doesn't run user programs, and except at its own console, it doesn't allow access to protected files except by authenticated owners. The concept of a special `root' user is gone. Subject: How does it communicate with other systems? The distribution includes a server that runs on Unix-compatible systems and understands the native Plan 9 remote file protocol, so that file systems of Unix machines may be imported into Plan 9. It also includes an NFS-compatible server that runs on Plan 9, so that Plan 9 file systems may be accessed from other systems that support NFS. It includes the full suite of Internet protocols. Installation: Subject: What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? If you don't want to spend time fiddling with and swapping PC hardware, you may prefer to buy hardware that is in use within Bell Labs. If so, have a look at the What We Use document by jmk@plan9.att.com, at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/clone.html Recently, jmk@plan9.att.com wrote: Subject: re: PC-clone hardware This is a little out of my experience, but if I had to buy a 486 motherboard I'd look for one that would take a DX4-100 and even one of the new Cyrix M1sc chips (i.e. handles 3.3V CPUs). Plus I'd opt for a PCI+ISA board with I/O on the motherboard (I think only AIR makes a 486 MB with PCI+EISA). SIS or Intel chipset should be OK. Our only other experience with 486 motherboards has been Micronics in some old Gateways. There have been troubles there with the Phoenix BIOS and accessing the BIOS ROM areas from Plan 9, but that's probably because we don't make any attempt to work out the 8/16-bit BIOS stuff. If you have time for netnews, the OS/2 and Linux newsgroups probably have some useful information. Another useful web page on PC hardware (with a BSDi bias) is PC Hardware Hints and Kinks at http://www.vix.com/pc-hw/ Subject: How do I Install Plan 9? The installation is designed to be run from a PC. Note that Plan 9 uses an unallocated portion at the end of the disk, and you won't see this partition with the FDISK program. 1. Back up your system. 2. Make sure you've backed up your system. 3. Read Installing the Plan 9 Distribution at URL http://plan9.att.com/plan9/doc/install.html 4. Check the errata page (at http://plan9.att.com/plan9/errata.html) for problems and fixes found since the distribution was frozen. 5. Here are some more tips that have been reported to the 9fans list: Subject: three button mice From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk aux/mouse -dC $mouseport usually does the trick. many three button mice do not respond to aux/mouse's guessing protocol, but you can tell it what to use as the default. on starting the demonstration system, answer `n' when the system asks if you want to enter the window system. once you type the aux/mouse command above, you should be able to move the mouse. you can then enter the window system and enjoy yourself. (while you're there, you can change /rc/bin/termrc to add the -dC option to the aux/mouse commands there.) of course, if you still can't move the mouse, you'll need to try another default. -d isn't documented in the manual page, but that fact is documented somewhere (i can't find it now). perhaps it was in the Errata. Subject: Are there any known problems? From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:14:51 -0400 Subject: fixes in the works We have fixes in the works (with help from others) for the floppy disc read and Adaptec 1542CF timeout problems. These will hopefully be available for pick-up by ftp by this time next week. Source updates based on diffs to the distribution source should also start appearing soon. The hard disc partitioning problem will take longer to fix, but I've started working on it. Unfortunately it means doing a crash-course in booting OS/2 and Linux. Subject: It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? From: prb@bsdi.COM (Paul Borman) The first three things to do when having SCSI problems: 1) Check your cables and terminators 2) Check your cables and terminators 3) Check your cables and terminators We have found under BSD/OS that this is the single largest cause of weird SCSI problems. Active terminators are best. If you run external cables you need to get high quality ones. We did discover that with adaptec and poorer quality terminators (like the ones that come on most disk drives) that if you had an internal and external chain that you had to leave the terminators in the card (so you would have 3 sets). This is clearly wrong, but it is what it took for some combinations. Also, don't crank of the speed on the card. Subject: How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? The 9P protocol has changed in the second edition, due to changes in the way that Plan 9 does its authentication. For those using Unix-based (u9fs) file servers, you will have to compile and install the new version of u9fs. For those using the standard Plan 9 file servers, ken@plan9.att.com reports that the disk format in the new release is the same, so there should be no problems running the new FS code on old disks. General Information: Subject: Who is using Plan 9? [this section could use some more work - Steve] The first (1993) release of Plan 9 was licenced by 200 colleges and universities. With the public release of Plan 9 and the free demo PC version, many people who were not able to use the old version of Plan 9 are now using it. The number of copies sold is not known yet. There is exploratory use in commercial companies, both within AT&T and outside. Most visibly, the Netlib service that supplies mathematical and other software and documents to the public via FTP, mail, and WWW uses a Plan 9 server. This service includes the AT&T 800-number directory by which WWW users can find the toll-free numbers of AT&T 800-number advertisers. Subject: Where did the name come from? It was chosen in our tradition of selecting names that make marketeers wince. We also wished to pay homage to the famous film, Plan 9 From Outer Space. Subject: What are the plans for Plan 9? Plan 9 was developed within the research organization of AT&T Bell Laboratories as an exercise in understanding the principles and mechanisms useful in designing operating systems, and not as a product as such. In this way it is analogous to the Unix efforts of the past. Nevertheless, to succeed, it must be used, both within our company and outside. We believe that making it more generally available under reasonable terms will enhance its impact, and have been working with the AT&T Software Solutions group to find the best ways of doing this. A general distribution of the technology for non-commercial purposes is available, and we would like to license it for commercial purposes on terms to be negotiated. Just as in the early stages of deployment of Unix, these arrangements will be `as-is,' with no support promised. Current plans call for this distribution to consist of a CD-ROM containing the entire source and binary for all platforms, a two-volume manual set, and four diskettes. The diskettes contain a binary-only version of the system that can be installed on a PC to demonstrate the window system, many of the applications including Internet communications, and the Intel-architecture C and Alef compilers. Subject: How can I Obtain Plan 9? Complete information for purchasing the Plan 9 distribution or ftp'ing the free PC trial version is available at URL http://plan9.att.com/plan9/distrib.html Any bookshop should be able to order it for you, if you give them one of the ISBN numbers listed on that page. To find out whether Plan 9 supports your hardware, read The Various Ports at URL http://plan9.att.com/plan9/doc/port.html Subject: What can I do to help? The best way to help is to write something that other people in the Plan 9 user community could use, or to port the system to new platforms. Several people have already made their applications available, such as an http server, fileserver port to the PC, etc. The current list of user-community projects includes: pace@blitz.com (Pace Willisson) has ported the Plan 9 authentication server to Unix, to allow Plan 9 terminals to function without a Plan 9 cpu server performing authentication. He wrote: The basic idea is that I wrote a SOCK_RAW based IL driver, and then imported the main parts of the plan 9 auth.srv program. You probably don't need this unless you have at least 3 computers: a unix system that you have to keep running even when playing with plan 9, plus 2 other computers to run a plan 9 file server and a plan 9 terminal. If you would like to receive a copy of this program, please send email to stating that: you are a plan 9 licensee you are a United States citizen your email is delivered in the United States I'll send a uuencoded, gzipped tar file by return email. To international users, I apologize for the silly US export rules, but I don't know what else I can do. Pace later added: I've separated the encryption stuff from my IL driver, and put the exportable parts up for anonymous ftp at ftp://ftp.blitz.com/pub/il.tar.gz If anyone would like their projects listed here, let me know. This could help prevent duplication of effort, and increase involvment from the 'net community. Subject: How can I get more detailed technical information? The Internet site plan9.att.com stores a collection of papers about the system in the plan9 directory; they are available for anonymous FTP. Copyright € 1995 AT&T. All rights reserved. -- Steve Kotsopoulos P.Eng. steve@ecf.toronto.edu Systems Analyst, Engineering Computing Facility, University of Toronto http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/staff/steve/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 13:09:04 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45629>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:57:57 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45650>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:56:47 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10497; Thu, 7 Sep 95 17:49:01 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08489; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:48:59 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03876; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:48:54 +0100 Message-Id: <9509071648.AA03876@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans Subject: Re: Why? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Sep 1995 12:22:42 EDT." <95Sep7.122255edt.45512@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:48:52 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 290 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > In message <95Sep7.120007edt.45669@colossus.cse.psu.edu>, presotto@plan9. > att.com writes: > >Of course companies can use Plan 9 internally on as many > >computers as they like for $350 total. > > Has Microsoft ordered their copy yet? Sure it should be "except Microsoft"? :-) steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 17:13:32 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45669>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:00:23 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45512>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:00:01 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:49:57 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:55:42 -0400 From: corey@hotrod.alph.att.com Message-ID: Organization: AT&T References: Subject: Re: Plan9 & OS/2 Boot Manager Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article , Michael C. Montero <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote: >I am trying to setup Plan9 on my machine which has OS/2 Boot Manager. I >currently have a DOS parition and a Linux partition. I followed the >steps outlined in the documentation for setting up the PC distribution >(20 megs) of Plan9. However, for some reason the Disk1 is setting itself >up on the floppy instead of on the partition I left available for Plan9. >I am NOT trying to make Plan9 part of OS/2 Boot Manager. According to >the documentation, the DOS partition is supposed to be formatted and >space is supposed to be left for Plan9. If anyone has any idea of what >the problem may be or if anyone has gotten around this (in any way) >please let me know! The only thing I would like is to maintain my DOS >and Linux partitions and, if possible, not to have to delete my Linux >partition. The DOS one has been mutilated already. I ran into exactly the same problem last night. I would guess that you are using the OS/2 Boot Manager stored in the MBR and that LILO is installed in the Linux root partition. In my case I had DOS and Linux loaded and was using LILO in the MBR. Plan9 was doing the exact same thing you mentioned and failed to write to my SCSI drive. To solve the problem I removed LILO from the MBR with DOS fdisk /mbr and I also removed my Linux partition as I had not allocated space for Plan9 previously. This solved the problem and I now have Plan9 loaded. You might be able to get away with just unloading the OS/2 Boot Manager instead of doing what I had to do. i.e deleting my Caldera (Linux) partition) :-( :-( One of the problems with Caldera Linux is that Lilo cannot be installed in the root partition, if you have an all SCSI system. Don't ask me why, I just read it in the documentation. When I put Linux back on my machine I will use the loadlin utilities to boot Linux. --Corey > >Thanks for all your help! >Mike > -- /* Corey Brown (WB0RXQ): 20m, 15m, 2m(146.82) 70cm(443.65) */ /* AT&T NSD | corey@hustler.att.com */ /* Alpharetta, Ga 30202 | attmail!wcbrown */ /* (404)750-8071 | New rays from an ancient sun (JS) */ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 17:22:31 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45512>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:13:26 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45661>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:00:18 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:50:11 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:35:17 -0400 From: corey@hotrod.alph.att.com Message-ID: Organization: AT&T Subject: Help needed with PC installation Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans After several hours I was able to get the CD-ROM distribution of Plan9 installed on my 486/66. I have two questions now concerning running this PC as a standalone Plan9 machine. 1) The documentation refers to the CD-ROM or floppy installations on a PC as a "complete" Plan9 system. My confusion comes from the part of the documentation that asks me not to install a password on my personal account, as the Authentication Server has not been set up yet. Must I set my Plan9 installation up to be all three? (file server, cpu server, authentication server)? 2) The CD-ROM installation is missing the /usr/none directory as pointed out in the documentation. The document proceeds to instructs the user on how to fix the problem by creating the /usr/none directory and then copying in the files. This procedure fails with "permission denied" if I try to create the /usr/none directory, while logged in as "tor". Do I need to execute "disk/kfscmd allow" first? or should I just add the "none" account the same way I added my own account? Sorry for the newbie questions but I have to start somewhere. :-) --Corey -- /* Corey Brown (WB0RXQ): 20m, 15m, 2m(146.82) 70cm(443.65) */ /* AT&T NSD | corey@hustler.att.com */ /* Alpharetta, Ga 30202 | attmail!wcbrown */ /* (404)750-8071 | New rays from an ancient sun (JS) */ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 20:08:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45681>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:49:43 -0400 Received: from zachs.place.org ([204.157.154.19]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45682>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:49:27 -0400 Received: from zachs.place.org ([127.0.0.1]) by zachs.place.org with smtp (ident zachary using rfc1413) id (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.33); Thu, 7 Sep 95 18:47 CDT Message-Id: To: 9fans Subject: SCSI with NCR53C810 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:47:44 -0400 From: Zachary DeAquila Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Does anyone have/has anyone written/where do I get a driver so that I can install Plan9 on my SCSI drive? The controller is based on the NCR53C810 SCSI chip, and the machine in question has *no* IDE drives, nor ways for me add them since it's a notebook. Is there any way I can 'bootstrap' by putting DOS on the drive and then putting plan9 on the drive and letting it install itself over the DOS partition? maybe with a RAMdisk? I'd really like to try this OS out... --Zachary >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 20:35:10 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34396>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:01:07 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34397>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:00:25 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:10:35 -0400 subject: unintentional installation on floppy by installation floppy Message-Id: <95Sep7.200025edt.34397@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>(20 megs) of Plan9. However, for some reason the Disk1 is setting itself >>up on the floppy instead of on the partition I left available for Plan9. this has been mentioned before and struck me as strange at the time, until i saw it happen recently and realised what caused it. the plan 9 installation diskette tries to install on itself because it has tried to mount something on /n/c (which is on the diskette) and failed. unfortunately the directory /n/c has been left writable, on the diskette, and the installation program proceeds to write to it. unsurprisingly it runs out of space. there seem to be many possible causes for a failure to mount on /n/c. for instance, the DOS file system doesn't begin the disc; or it starts the disc, but the dos partition doesn't look quite right (yielding `unknown format' on mount). the latter seemed to be true for windows 95 on a student's machine here, but i haven't had a chance to investigate. (it was also the June Beta copy of windows 95; i'll wait until he buys the real version, in case it changes again.) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 20:52:28 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45682>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:43:46 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45677>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:43:30 -0400 Received: from reynaldo.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.96]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15229(12)>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:43:02 PDT Received: from localhost by reynaldo.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <34952>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:42:53 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans cc: kerch@parc.xerox.com Subject: panic: ataintr: wait busy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:42:45 -0400 From: Berry Kercheval Message-Id: <95Sep7.174253pdt.34952@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The machine I can use for plan9 was finally delivered. It's a 486 with an Adaptec 1542 of some flavor. When I boot I get wait busy panics. I updated my disks this afternoon and when I copy b.com and 9dos to C: and do C:\b sd!0 It sees both of the disks I have installed, but after 9dos boots I get this: 5569 free pages, 22276K bytes, swap 11126K, highwater 1112K, headroom 1388K CPU is a 33 MHz Intel486DX (cpuid: ax 400 dx 0) scsi0: aha1542: port 330 irq 14 dma5 panic: wait busy cmd=0 status=ff Anyone seen this one before? A search for adaptec and ataintr in my 9fans archive didn't help much. --berry Berry Kercheval :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 21:11:15 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45683>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:57:51 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45677>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:57:35 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <3924>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:57:18 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: Re: Help needed with PC installation Message-Id: <95Sep7.205718edt.3924@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:57:14 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans corey@hotrod.alph.att.com wrote: > 1) The documentation refers to the CD-ROM or floppy installations > on a PC as a "complete" Plan9 system. My confusion comes Options 1 (floppy) and 2 (CDROM) set up a stand-alone machine. If you only install the floppies, you get a stripped-down system. The CDROM makes a complete system possible. To quote install.html: : The CD-ROM contains a single ISO-9660 file system. : That file system is the complete Plan 9 distribution, structured : as it will be after you install it. > from the part of the documentation that asks me not to install > a password on my personal account, as the Authentication Server > has not been set up yet. Must I set my Plan9 installation up > to be all three? (file server, cpu server, authentication server)? If you are using a single system, you can't really have a 'full system'. The file server kernel is quite distinct from the terminal/cpuserver kernel - they cannot co-exist. kfs is a local-only file system used (mostly) for standalone systems. > 2) The CD-ROM installation is missing the /usr/none directory as > pointed out in the documentation. The document proceeds to > instructs the user on how to fix the problem by creating the > /usr/none directory and then copying in the files. This procedure > fails with "permission denied" if I try to create the /usr/none > directory, while logged in as "tor". Do I need to execute > "disk/kfscmd allow" first? or should I just add the "none" > account the same way I added my own account? The kfs /usr directory is owned by 'none', so 'tor' cannot write to it. By running 'disk/kfscmd allow', you turn off permission checking, which allows you to create/delete/read anything. Quoting from the installation guide again: : For each user name to be established on the file system, run the command : /sys/lib/kfsuser username : This will do all the necessary work to establish a basic Plan 9 environment : for that user. You might even take a look at the command to see how it works; : it's an rc(1) script. If you look at the script, you'll see that it does a 'disk/kfscmd allow' near the beginning, and a 'disk/kfscmd disallow' at the end. You could try running '/sys/lib/kfsuser none', but I'm not sure if that will complain because 'none' is already in /adm/users. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 23:04:57 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45687>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:47:37 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45669>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:44:25 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id LAA01129 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:40:41 GMT Message-Id: <199509081140.LAA01129@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: date command (Another question ? _o_ ) X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I thank forsyth very much, his advice solved my CDROM problem, and now I'm enjoying to read ISO9660 formatted CDROM by using Chinon's CDS-431 (very sloooow, though (old model). Now, I changed the /adm/timzone/local from default to Japan, which says JST and 9 hours ahead. Then, I typed date command, and got a line; Fir Sep 8 11:36:35 GMT 1995. The local time is correctly displayed, however I still have 'GMT" which should be 'JST'. Kenji ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kenji Okamoto | e-mail okamoto@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ______ __ |__ | Universiy of Osaka Prefecture, Dept. of Earth Science, |__\/__| /|\ | Gakuen-cho 1 - 1, Sakai, Osaka 593, Japan ||_|_| | /-|-\ | alternative e-mail: okamoto@upr.center.osakafu-u.ac.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 7 23:21:09 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45705>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:09:11 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45512>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:04:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id LAA01144 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:45:38 GMT Message-Id: <199509081145.LAA01144@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Which scsi CDROM can be used? In-reply-to: forsyth's message of Thu, 07 Sep 1995 03:50:52 -0400. <95Sep7.035902edt.45471@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > >>I tried three kinds of CDROM drives, Sony CDU-561, Chinon CDS-535 > >>and Chinon CDS-431. At the booting Plan 9, while in the CGA mode, > >>it reports us the detected scsi devices, such as > > >> scsi0: cap 415436 sec 512 > >> scsi6: cap 322258 sec 2048 > > >>in my case. However, I can get the second line only for CDS-431. > > i use a Chinon CDS-535 (SCSI) CDROM on my plan 9 machine at home > and it works very well. i am using an Ultrastor 14F SCSI controller, > not an Adaptec, but i'd suggest checking the normal SCSI things: > termination, cabling, etc. i have used the CDS535 as both an internal and > external drive, by the way. I must apologize for my confusion of the model number which was Chinon's CDA-535 (not CDS) for MacIntosh. The Snoy's CDU-561 was also slod as for Mac. So, I may be encountering a conflict between CDROMs for Mac and for PC. Is it right? Kenji PS. Chinon's CDS-431 is for PC, which is now functioning by your advice. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 04:03:03 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45682>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:44:03 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45512>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:19:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 02:49:15 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: Why? Message-Id: <95Sep8.031940edt.45512@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >> >Of course companies can use Plan 9 internally on as many >> >computers as they like for $350 total. >> >> Has Microsoft ordered their copy yet? > >Sure it should be "except Microsoft"? :-) I think that that should be "except Microsoft and Novell" ;-) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 05:01:19 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45692>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 04:35:55 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45686>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 04:18:59 -0400 Received: from sympc143 ([194.32.100.46]) by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09749; Fri, 8 Sep 95 08:42:06 BST Message-Id: <9509080742.AA09749@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Communications To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 04:42:04 -0400 Subject: Re: SCSI with NCR53C810 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Does anyone have/has anyone written/where do I get a driver so that I can install Plan9 on my > SCSI drive? The controller is based on the NCR53C810 SCSI chip, and the machine in > question has *no* IDE drives, nor ways for me add them since it's a notebook. Is there any > way I can 'bootstrap' by putting DOS on the drive and then putting plan9 on the drive > and letting it install itself over the DOS partition? maybe with a RAMdisk? I'd really > like to try this OS out... > > --Zachary > Executive summary - yes. I've got a version of the loader and kernel which support the NCR series. I guess you want the 4 disk version, because you ain't going to buy the CDROM first off. I need to know if it's OK to make available an alternate 4 disk solution 'for free'. Anyone at the Labs wish to comment? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 05:43:31 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45724>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 05:26:59 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45706>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 05:01:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:37:03 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: date command (Another question ? _o_ ) Message-Id: <95Sep8.050101edt.45706@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Changes to /adm/timezone/local normally don't take effect until the system is rebooted, at which point init sets /env/timezone from /adm/timezone/local. You can see the effect of your change in the current window by typing timezone=`{cat /adm/timezone/local} before running the date command. Reboot to get the change in all windows, or kill 8½, fix timezone, and run a fresh 8½. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 09:14:03 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45716>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:49:53 -0400 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net ([192.76.144.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45516>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:06:32 -0400 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (5.59:8/EUnetD-2.5.2.a) via EUnet id NAA29181; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:05:42 +0200 Received: from mwtech by shakti.rent-a-guru.de with UUCP (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA08473; Fri, 8 Sep 95 10:47:12 +0200 Received: by mwtech.rent-a-guru.de (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA18944; Fri, 8 Sep 95 09:15:03 GMT From: Martin Weitzel Message-Id: <9509080915.AA18944@mwtech.rent-a-guru.de> Subject: licensing terms (was: Re: Why?) To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 05:15:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Sep7.120007edt.45669@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "presotto@plan9.att.com" at Sep 7, 95 11:44:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1814 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Before I jump into that discussion I want to say that I'm quite happy with the current price. Well, I own my "one-man-company", for a student the price might be a bit steep, but it's still only a fraction of what the required hardware costs, as somebody else already mentioned, and YOU GET THE SOURCE, OF COURSE. > There is no fixed price for a commercial license (i.e. > a license which lets the buyer resell products or services > based on the released software). Where exactly is the borderline between "commercial" and "non-commercial" use, e.g. if I own a "non-commercial" license, is it OK to - use the text processing software of Plan 9 to PRODUCE a book or any other piece of writing I later SELL to others? - being paid for writing a book ABOUT Plan 9 (not necessarily USING Plan 9 for the process of writing). Further, given that there is another person or company who ALSO has a valid "non-commercial" license (bought independently from mine), would it be OK - being paid by the OTHER person/company for developing software using their system. - being paid for teaching the other person how to use the system and about its inner workings (i.e. SELLING knowledge I acquired by means of MY OWN system)? - develop software on MY OWN system and later SELL it to someone else with a valid "non-commercial" license? > Of course companies can use Plan 9 internally on as many > computers as they like for $350 total. In fact, that's what I like so much about Plan 9's licensing terms! In contrast: According to the licensing terms of my ISC-Unix I am allowed to have "at most two copies" of the system. If I count the installation set as "one", the active installation on my hard disk as "two", I'm going to break the license whenever I backup on tape ... --Martin >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 10:42:00 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45728>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:17:33 -0400 Received: from uvarovite.ESD.ORNL.Gov ([128.219.30.250]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45736>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:23:57 -0400 Received: (from jlambert@localhost) by uvarovite.ESD.ORNL.Gov (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA09511 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:16:39 GMT From: "Lambert Joshua B." Message-Id: <9509080816.ZM9509@uvarovite.ESD.ORNL.Gov> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:16:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: Zachary DeAquila "SCSI with NCR53C810" (Sep 7, 7:47pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: 9fans Subject: Re: SCSI with NCR53C810 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I too have a controller based on the NCR53C810 SCSI chip. The controller has no onboard BIOS, the BIOS is integrated into the main system BIOS. The board is a PCI board. I am planning an upgrade to an Adaptec board in about 3 months. I would be willing to modify a driver for operation with the NCR53C810 board, however, I do not have the source for the bootstrap code. ( I am currently only using the demo disks to evaluate plan9.) I am willing to trade my time as a developer for the plan9 distribution. Any takers AT&T? There use to be a person at AT&T to contact about obtaining plan9 for University work. I am Research Assistant at the University of Tennessee and am currently prototyping a massively distributed UNIX database application. It is possible that plan9 might work well for me. -- ------------------ Joshua B. Lambert Research Associate University of Tennessee ORNL NASA EOS/EOSDIS DAAC Software Development/Analysis P.O. Box 2008, MS 6407 Oak Ridge National Laboratory Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6407 (615)241-5921 Phone olz@ornl.gov - Primary E-Mail (615)574-4665 Fax jlambert@uvarovite.esd.ornl.gov - E-Mail (615)564-8676 Pager jlambert@utkux1.utk.edu - E-Mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 14:34:40 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45706>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:07:15 -0400 Received: from westlake.tkg.com ([198.3.130.68]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45727>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:53:10 -0400 Received: from kernel.austin.ibm.com (kernel.austin.ibm.com [9.3.22.57]) by westlake.tkg.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA03231 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:42:27 -0500 Received: by kernel.austin.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33892; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:42:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:42:09 -0400 From: daveb@tkg.com (Dave Burton) Message-Id: <9509081742.AA33892@kernel.austin.ibm.com> To: 9fans Subject: Re: panic: ataintr: wait busy Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans | The machine I can use for plan9 was finally delivered. It's a 486 with an | Adaptec 1542 of some flavor. When I boot I get wait busy panics. I updated | my disks this afternoon and when I copy b.com and 9dos to C: and do | | C:\b sd!0 | | It sees both of the disks I have installed, but after 9dos boots I get this: | | 5569 free pages, 22276K bytes, swap 11126K, highwater 1112K, headroom 1388K | CPU is a 33 MHz Intel486DX (cpuid: ax 400 dx 0) | scsi0: aha1542: port 330 irq 14 dma5 | panic: wait busy cmd=0 status=ff | | Anyone seen this one before? A search for adaptec and ataintr in my 9fans | archive didn't help much. I haven't made the fix for this yet, but can describe the problem, or at least one similar. I have a machine with an Adaptec 1542CF and no IDE. Every so often, I get a ``panic: ataintr: wait busy.'' This is due to a bogus irq 15, which is directed to the ata driver in the distributed 9pc kernel. The problem is related to that of the rogue irq 7's, which is tied to the implementation of interrupt detection on PC MB's. Basically, random noise spikes can induce a false interrupt on either irq 7 *or* irq 15, depending upon which 8259 detects the noise. + trap.c (sorry, I don't have the source code in front of me) has rogue irq detection and toss logic, but only for unregistered irqs. Since irq 15 is populated with the ata (IDE) driver, this means that rogue interrupts on irq 15 will hit the ata driver and cause a panic if there is no adapter to get status from. I think the default line printer driver goes to irq 7, but its interrupt routine simply does a wakeup, which doesn't cause any problems. I think the correct fix is to check for rogue interrupts in trap.c *before* dispatching to any registered interrupt handlers. This would involve moving the rogue interrupt logic to proceed the registration checks in trap.c. Of course, removing extraneous drivers will help, too. :-) I was waiting to post this until I could implement and test the fix, but I haven't had much spare time recently. Hopefully, I will get to this this weekend, and I'll post a tentative patch once I've tested it. BTW, kudos on both ACME and the general organization of the source code externally and internally. It is pleasant to work with such ``clean'' code. ACME allowed me to quickly understand much of the internal workings of plan9, and the sources did not obfuscate their intent. -- Dave + See MindShare, Inc's excellent book _ISA System Architecture_. ISBN: 1-881609-05-7. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 16:07:54 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45747>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:42:56 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45798>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:16:04 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:43:46 -0400 Subject: Re: panic: ataintr: wait busy Message-Id: <95Sep8.151604edt.45798@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Close... The distributed trap.c already has code for this: if(v >= Int0vec && v < Int0vec+16){ /* an unknown interrupt */ v -= Int0vec; /* * Check for a default IRQ7. This can happen when * the IRQ input goes away before the acknowledge. * In this case, a 'default IRQ7' is generated, but * the corresponding bit in the ISR isn't set. * In fact, just ignore all such interrupts. */ if((isr & (1<pc, badintr[v]); print("isr = 0x%4.4ux\n", isr); } } else { and devata.c does not set IRQ15, it only handles one ATA controller at present. It's more likely either the BIOS needs to have the ATA controller disabled and/or all drives marked as 'none', or, if there is an ATA drive connected, the Adaptec shouldn't be using IRQ14. I usually set the first SCSI controller on IRQ11 and the first ethernet controller on IRQ10. --jim ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 14:37:03 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45706>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:07:15 -0400 Received: from westlake.tkg.com ([198.3.130.68]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45727>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:53:10 -0400 Received: from kernel.austin.ibm.com (kernel.austin.ibm.com [9.3.22.57]) by westlake.tkg.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA03231 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:42:27 -0500 Received: by kernel.austin.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33892; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:42:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:42:09 -0400 From: daveb@tkg.com (Dave Burton) Message-Id: <9509081742.AA33892@kernel.austin.ibm.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: panic: ataintr: wait busy Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu | The machine I can use for plan9 was finally delivered. It's a 486 with an | Adaptec 1542 of some flavor. When I boot I get wait busy panics. I updated | my disks this afternoon and when I copy b.com and 9dos to C: and do | | C:\b sd!0 | | It sees both of the disks I have installed, but after 9dos boots I get this: | | 5569 free pages, 22276K bytes, swap 11126K, highwater 1112K, headroom 1388K | CPU is a 33 MHz Intel486DX (cpuid: ax 400 dx 0) | scsi0: aha1542: port 330 irq 14 dma5 | panic: wait busy cmd=0 status=ff | | Anyone seen this one before? A search for adaptec and ataintr in my 9fans | archive didn't help much. I haven't made the fix for this yet, but can describe the problem, or at least one similar. I have a machine with an Adaptec 1542CF and no IDE. Every so often, I get a ``panic: ataintr: wait busy.'' This is due to a bogus irq 15, which is directed to the ata driver in the distributed 9pc kernel. The problem is related to that of the rogue irq 7's, which is tied to the implementation of interrupt detection on PC MB's. Basically, random noise spikes can induce a false interrupt on either irq 7 *or* irq 15, depending upon which 8259 detects the noise. + trap.c (sorry, I don't have the source code in front of me) has rogue irq detection and toss logic, but only for unregistered irqs. Since irq 15 is populated with the ata (IDE) driver, this means that rogue interrupts on irq 15 will hit the ata driver and cause a panic if there is no adapter to get status from. I think the default line printer driver goes to irq 7, but its interrupt routine simply does a wakeup, which doesn't cause any problems. I think the correct fix is to check for rogue interrupts in trap.c *before* dispatching to any registered interrupt handlers. This would involve moving the rogue interrupt logic to proceed the registration checks in trap.c. Of course, removing extraneous drivers will help, too. :-) I was waiting to post this until I could implement and test the fix, but I haven't had much spare time recently. Hopefully, I will get to this this weekend, and I'll post a tentative patch once I've tested it. BTW, kudos on both ACME and the general organization of the source code externally and internally. It is pleasant to work with such ``clean'' code. ACME allowed me to quickly understand much of the internal workings of plan9, and the sources did not obfuscate their intent. -- Dave + See MindShare, Inc's excellent book _ISA System Architecture_. ISBN: 1-881609-05-7. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 18:05:50 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45702>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:46:18 -0400 Received: from gargamel.ptw.com ([204.178.60.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45711>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:06:53 -0400 Received: from roget.ptw.com (blee@roget.ptw.com [204.178.60.9]) by gargamel.ptw.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA15046 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:24:52 -0700 Received: (from blee@localhost) by roget.ptw.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA00241; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:29:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 07:29:52 -0400 From: Bryson Lee Subject: Plan9 Newcomer w/Q's about PC install To: 9fans In-Reply-To: <95Sep7.205718edt.3924@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Greetings all, I ran across the ATT Labs Plan9 site the other day, and decided to try it out. I downloaded the 4-disk mini-system, and have encountered some difficulties in attempting to install it on the two computers at my disposal. The first machine I tried is a 386DX 20Mhz machine w/ a 387 and 8 MB RAM. It has two IDE hard drives and a Diamond ET4000-based VGA card. It has an empty 20MB partition on the first drive, which I wanted to use for Plan9. However, when I try to bring up the system, either by booting from the first distribution disk or by a clean DOS boot followed by a:b, the system gets to the point where the installation screen is displayed with the choice to create the c:\plan9 directory or cancel. The machine hangs, and I can neither move the selection hilight nor select either of the two options. The other machine is a 486 DX2-66 with 16MB RAM, an Actix 928-based VLB video card and a single IDE drive. I split my DOS partition and moved my Linux root partition to create a 25MB empty partition at the physical end of the drive. The Plan9 distribution disk 1 booted fine, and installed the required software in c:\plan9. After starting this system and selecting the option to install the remaining 3 disks, an error (number 23, I believe) is returned when the system tries to create the plan9 partition table, with the message that there is not enough disk space. I've browsed through all the sites I've been able to find, looking for some info on these problems, but gotten no joy. If any of the gurus out there can offer some insight, or pointers to more information, I'd be extremely grateful. Thanks for your help! Regards, Bryson PGPrint (Keyserver for key): 48 57 B7 2F A6 74 AA 2D 7C ED 55 1D EB DD F2 09 "...their citizens...glorified their mythology of 'rights'...and lost track of their duties. No nation, so constituted, can endure"--Jean V. Dubois >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 18:23:18 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45711>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 18:05:14 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45783>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:07:42 -0400 From: dmr@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:32:46 -0400 Subject: Re: licensing terms Message-Id: <95Sep8.170742edt.45783@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans As Presotto mentioned in another context, to get an authoritative answer to a hard question about licensing, you have to talk to Software Solutions, and be prepared for whatever answer they give you. I think some of the questions asked were easier. ... is it OK to - use the text processing software of Plan 9 to PRODUCE a book or any other piece of writing I later SELL to others? Yes, I think this is pretty easy for an individual to justify as research or education. - being paid for writing a book ABOUT Plan 9 (not necessarily USING Plan 9 for the process of writing). OK. However, you would have to get permission to quote code. Further, given that there is another person or company who ALSO has a valid "non-commercial" license (bought independently from mine), would it be OK - being paid by the OTHER person/company for developing software using their system. OK - being paid for teaching the other person how to use the system and about its inner workings (i.e. SELLING knowledge I acquired by means of MY OWN system)? OK - develop software on MY OWN system and later SELL it to someone else with a valid "non-commercial" license? This is the sticky one. The buyer doesn't matter; the question is whether you are using the system solely for research and educational purposes. Incidentally, an issue that hasn't been faced yet to my knowledge is whether or how to deal with large-scale administrative use. The commercial license proposals I have seen so far envision only sales or services. However, I think it likely that the issue is (so to speak) academic; it's hard to imagine a company that would convert its operations to Plan 9 at this stage. Dennis >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 20:39:39 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45765>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:23:30 -0400 Received: from shrug ([128.128.16.67]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45780>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:33:13 -0400 Received: from [128.128.16.19] (CHERRYCOKE.WHOI.EDU [128.128.16.19]) by shrug (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00966 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:49:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:49:50 -0400 From: "Scott A. McIntyre" Subject: Plan 9 on a NCR 35xx (AT&T actually) To: 9fans Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Has anyone had the tenacity to see if Plan 9 can be made to work on a AT&T 35xx series machine? We were thinking about testing it on one that is being under-utilised at the moment, but weren't sure if it would recognise any of the storage devices (micro channel stuff instead of IDE or SCSI, I think). Any wisdom appreciated...I don't subscribe to the list yet, so please mail directly. Scott >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 8 21:27:15 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45697>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:13:36 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45737>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:13:16 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:50:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Plan 9 on a NCR 35xx (AT&T actually) Message-Id: <95Sep8.211316edt.45737@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Has anyone had the tenacity to see if Plan 9 can be made to work on a AT&T 35xx > series machine? We were thinking about testing it on one that is being > under-utilised at the moment, but weren't sure if it would recognise any of the > storage devices (micro channel stuff instead of IDE or SCSI, I think). > Any wisdom appreciated...I don't subscribe to the list yet, so please mail > directly. > Scott We've only tried it on some of the desktop Globalyst models, with mixed results (Pentium and DX2 systems seemed to work OK, DX4's were flakey - when we looked inside at the butchered motherboards we had some idea why...). We haven't looked at the higher-end machines at all, there's definitely no Microchannel support. Some of the multiprocessor servers look like they would make OK fileservers but I suspect the multiprocessor hardware is not Intel MultiProcessor Specification 1.1 compliant (I have a Brazil port for the MP Spec. dual-Pentium motherboards which are fairly common in comparison to NCR systems). --jim >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 01:55:54 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45728>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:50:21 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45724>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:50:04 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id OAA01339 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:50:20 GMT Message-Id: <199509091450.OAA01339@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: two CDROM drives got success X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Recently, I reported two scsi CDROM drives, Chinon's CDA-535 and Sony's CDU-561, were difficult to use on AHA1542B. However, it was wrong, now I can report, with pleasure, that they can work fine. By the support of forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk, I checked again those drives, and found they behave somewhat different from Chinon's CDS-431, but work fine. For CDS-431, the command term% bind -a '#R6" /dev worked fine, but for the others, alternative command term% bind -a '#w6' /dev was nessessary. This solved all the problem (Thanks forsyth _o_). The last question left is why the latter two drives does not report their size in the initial booting mode still in CGA, such scsi6: cap 23365 sec 2048..... Kenji ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kenji Okamoto | e-mail okamoto@okamoto.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ______ __ |__ | Universiy of Osaka Prefecture, Dept. of Earth Science, |__\/__| /|\ | Gakuen-cho 1 - 1, Sakai, Osaka 593, Japan ||_|_| | /-|-\ | alternative e-mail: okamoto@upr.center.osakafu-u.ac.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 02:26:23 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45775>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 02:21:16 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45773>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 02:21:00 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id PAA01373 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:21:18 GMT Message-Id: <199509091521.PAA01373@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: Re: date command (Another question ? _o_ ) In-reply-to: dhog's message of Fri, 08 Sep 1995 03:37:03 -0400. <95Sep8.050101edt.45706@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Changes to /adm/timezone/local normally don't take effect until the system is > rebooted, at which point init sets /env/timezone from /adm/timezone/local. > You can see the effect of your change in the current window by typing > timezone=`{cat /adm/timezone/local} before running the date command. > Reboot to get the change in all windows, or kill 8B=, fix timezone, and run a > fresh 8B=. > In my case, I rebooted the system many times. As I'm afraid my poor English, please permit me to re-describe my problem. When I dispatch date command, I get the output as Sat Sep 9 15:15:08 GMT 1995. In the above result, the digits showing the local time and date is reported correctly, hwoever, it still says 'GMT' which should be 'JST' I think. Are there anyone having this problem? kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 04:41:01 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45487>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 04:34:01 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45477>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 04:33:44 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 04:46:06 -0400 Subject: Re: date command (Another question ? _o_ ) Message-Id: <95Sep9.043344edt.45477@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans /adm/timezone/Japan is simpler than most: % cat /adm/timezone/Japan JST 32400 it looks as though ctime fails to realise that a single time zone & GMT offset not followed by a list of time changes probably means that the location hasn't got the notion of `daylight savings' or `summer time'. instead it defaults to GMT, obviously aware of the splendid weather here this summer. perhaps it's not worth changing the code. i tried: JST 32400 JST 32400 instead, and date then gave JST instead of defaulting to GMT. try: echo 'JST 32400 JST 32400' >/env/timezone date if the result looks right to you, update /adm/timezone/Japan and /adm/timezone/local. (then reboot.) if it still needs some adjustment, see ctime(2) for a description of the timezone file format. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 05:52:16 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45562>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 05:46:01 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45556>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 05:45:44 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id SAA01587 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 18:44:05 GMT Message-Id: <199509091844.SAA01587@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: Re: date command (Another question ? _o_ ) In-reply-to: forsyth's message of Sat, 09 Sep 1995 04:46:06 -0400. <95Sep9.043344edt.45477@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > /adm/timezone/Japan is simpler than most: > % cat /adm/timezone/Japan > JST 32400 > > it looks as though ctime fails to realise that a single time zone & GMT offset > not followed by a list of time changes probably means that the location hasn't got > the notion of `daylight savings' or `summer time'. > instead it defaults to GMT, obviously aware of the splendid weather here this summer. > perhaps it's not worth changing the code. i tried: > > JST 32400 JST 32400 > > instead, and date then gave JST instead of defaulting to GMT. > try: > echo 'JST 32400 JST 32400' >/env/timezone > date > > if the result looks right to you, update /adm/timezone/Japan and /adm/timezone/local. > (then reboot.) > > if it still needs some adjustment, see ctime(2) for a description of the timezone > file format. > This time you don't get turget. :-) After I applied above, and did the date command, I got a future time like this: Sun Sep 10 03:36:55 JST 1995. I dispatched the date command at Sat Sep 9 18:36:55. It's 9 hours ahead now. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 07:11:09 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45577>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:02:52 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45576>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:02:30 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:11:55 -0400 Subject: Re: date command (Another question ? _o_ ) Message-Id: <95Sep9.070230edt.45576@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>After I applied above, and did the date command, I got a future time >>like this: >> Sun Sep 10 03:36:55 JST 1995. >>I dispatched the date command at >> Sat Sep 9 18:36:55. >>It's 9 hours ahead now. >>Kenji Plan 9 uses GMT as its time base, while DOS uses local time, so unless you live on the prime meridian you'll need to reset your DOS clock after running Plan 9. (from ``The Various Ports'') i suspect you have to reset it before running plan 9, too... Plan 9 takes the contents of the hardware clock to be GMT. DOS has set it to GMT+9 (your local time), Plan 9 takes that as GMT, then date is encouraged by the JST timezone file entry to add another 32400 seconds: thus GMT+9+9 and you end up in tomorrow. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 07:47:06 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45580>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:40:58 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45576>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:40:42 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:30:00 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: date command (Another question ? _o_ ) Message-Id: <95Sep9.074042edt.45576@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >/adm/timezone/Japan is simpler than most: >% cat /adm/timezone/Japan >JST 32400 > >it looks as though ctime fails to realise that a single time zone & GMT offset >not followed by a list of time changes probably means that the location hasn't got >the notion of `daylight savings' or `summer time'. >instead it defaults to GMT, obviously aware of the splendid weather here this summer. This would be my fault -- I supplied a number of the timezone files, using a program which converted the Berkeley zoneinfo files into Plan 9 format. Evidently I didn't read ctime(2) carefully enough :-( Looks like the following files in /adm/timezone are affected: Australia_North Canada_East-Saskatchewan HST Hongkong Iceland Japan Mexico_BajaSur Mexico_General NZ_CHAT ROC Singapore US_Arizona US_East-Indiana US_Hawaii P.S. A better way to do this in the future would be to modify the zoneinfo compiler (zic) to produce Plan 9 format directly. Then changes to timezones could be incorporated without fuss. There's an ftp site which holds updated sets of rules in the form understood by zic. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 09:25:50 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45599>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 09:17:53 -0400 Received: from tcs07.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.76]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45593>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 09:17:36 -0400 Received: (from staffanu@localhost) by tcs07.nada.kth.se (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA07110; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:17:18 +0200 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 09:17:18 -0400 From: Staffan Ulfberg Message-Id: <199509091317.PAA07110@tcs07.nada.kth.se> To: 9fans In-reply-to: blee@gargamel.PTw.COM's message of Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:29:52 GMT Subject: Plan9 Newcomer w/Q's about PC install Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello, Well, I'm not a guru, but I was about where you were a few days ago, and completing the installation has made me pick up a few things. What do you mean by that you have an "empty" partition at the end of the drive? If you run fdisk, it should show "free space". Plan 9 puts it's own partition table at the end of the drive, and has nothing to do with the PC partitioning conventions. I.e., it does not look at the partitions you created with FDISK, it only looks for free space. (Maybe this is the problem with your 486DX2?) Staffan >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 09:43:52 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45593>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 09:37:22 -0400 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de ([131.188.2.45]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45600>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 09:37:05 -0400 Received: from faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (root@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.2.1]) by uni-erlangen.de with ESMTP id PAA07729 (8.6.12/7.4f-FAU); for <9fans%cse.psu.edu@smtp.gate>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:34:03 +0200 Received: from faui00.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (snbiesch@faui00.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.63.9]) by cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de with ESMTP id PAA22548 (8.6.12/7.4f-FAU); for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:33:59 +0200 From: Stefan Bieschewski (CIP Admin) Message-Id: <199509091333.PAA22548@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: Re: SPEA Mirage (was: Re: format for source diffs) To: 9fans Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 09:33:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Aug21.103216edt.45642@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "jmk@plan9.att.com" at Aug 21, 95 10:07:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4537 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, this patch to aux/vga works fine with my Spea Mirage. The entry for the `GIS Globalyst 550' also matches my card, so I had to remove it. The patch is relative to the cd distribution. Stefan ============================================ % diff new /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga/vgadb 47,52d46 < 0xC00E4="V7-MIRAGE P-64 BIOS Version 4" # Spea Mirage Bios 4.xx < link=vga < hwgc=s3hwgc < ctlr=vision864 link=ibm8514 < ramdac=s3sdac < ctlr 54c48 < # 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 Vision864 (16Bit DAC)" # GIS Globalyst 550 --- > 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 Vision864 (16Bit DAC)" # GIS Globalyst 550 ============================================ % diff new /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga/data.c 31d30 < &s3sdac, /* ramdac & clock */ ============================================ % diff new /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga/mkfile 29d28 < s3sdac.$O\ ============================================ % diff new /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga/vga.h 221,223d220 < /* s3sdac.c */ < extern Ctlr s3sdac; < ============================================ % diff new /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga/vision864.c 50c50,51 < * magic formula below is taken from XFree86. --- > * values below are guesses from dumping > * registers. 56,74c57,62 < { < long m, n, clk, mclk; < clk = vga->f; < n = 255; < mclk = 60000000; < if (vga->vmb < 2048*1024) < clk *= 2; < m = (mclk*.72+16867000)*89.736/(clk+39000000)-21; < if (vga->vmb < 2048*1024) < m /= 2; < if (m > 31) < m = 31; < if (m < 0) { < m = 0; < n = 16; < } < vga->crt[0x54] = m<<3; < vga->crt[0x60] = n; < } --- > if(vga->mode->x <= 800) > vga->crt[0x54] = 0x88; > else if(vga->mode->x <= 1024) > vga->crt[0x54] = 0xF8; > else > vga->crt[0x54] = 0x40; 75a64 > 78c67 < vga->crt[0x67] |= 0x11; --- > vga->crt[0x67] |= 0x10; ============================================ % cat /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga/s3sdac.c #include #include #include "vga.h" /* * S3 SDAC 86C716 RAMDAC and programmable clock. */ enum { PClk = 0x02, MClk = 0x0a, }; static void options(Vga *vga, Ctlr *ctlr) { USED(vga); verbose("%s->options\n", ctlr->name); ctlr->flag |= Hpclk2x8|Foptions; } static void init(Vga *vga, Ctlr *ctlr) { verbose("%s->init\n", ctlr->name); /* * If we don't already have a desired pclk, * take it from the mode. * Check it's within range. */ if(vga->f == 0) vga->f = vga->mode->frequency; if(!(vga->f <= 67500000 || ((vga->ctlr->flag & Hpclk2x8) && vga->f <=135000000))) error("%s: invalid pclk - %ld\n", ctlr->name, vga->f); /* * Determine whether to use 2x8-bit mode or not. * If yes and the clock has already been initialised, * initialise it again. */ if(vga->ctlr && (vga->ctlr->flag & Hpclk2x8) && vga->f >= 67500000) resyncinit(vga, ctlr, Upclk2x8, 0); /* * Calculate n&d. */ { long f, fmin, m, n1, n2; vga->d = 0; vga->n = 0; fmin = vga->f; for (n1=1; n1<32; ++n1) for (n2=0; n2<4; ++n2) { m = vga->f * (n1+2) * (1<127) continue; if (Frequency * (m+2)/(n1+2) > 250000000 || Frequency * (m+2)/(n1+2) < 100000000) continue; f = vga->f - (Frequency * (m+2)/(n1+2)/(1< fmin) continue; fmin = f; vga->n = m; vga->d = n1 + (n2<<5); } } ctlr->flag |= Finit; } static void loadsdac(Vga *vga, uchar index, uchar n, uchar d) { vgao(MiscW, vga->misc | 0x0c); vgaxo(Crtx, 0x42, vga->crt[0x42] & ~0x0f | 0x02); vgaxo(Crtx, 0x55, vga->crt[0x55] & ~0x03 | 0x01); vgao(PaddrW, index); vgao(Pdata, n); vgao(Pdata, d); vgaxo(Crtx, 0x55, vga->crt[0x55] & ~0x03); vgaxo(Crtx, 0x42, vga->crt[0x42] & 0xf0 | 0x06); } static void load(Vga *vga, Ctlr *ctlr) { verbose("%s->load\n", ctlr->name); /* * unlock registers */ vgaxo(Crtx, 0x38, 0x48); vgaxo(Crtx, 0x39, 0xa5); /* * set mclk to 60 MHz */ loadsdac(vga, MClk, 0x41, 0x42); /* * screen off */ vgaxo(Seqx, 0x01, vga->sequencer[0x01] | 0x20); /* * set command register */ vgai(PaddrR); vgai(Pixmask); vgai(Pixmask); vgai(Pixmask); vgai(Pixmask); if(ctlr->flag & Upclk2x8) vgao(Pixmask, 0x10); else vgao(Pixmask, 0x00); vgai(PaddrR); vgao(Pixmask, 0xff); /* * set pclk */ loadsdac(vga, PClk, vga->n, vga->d); /* * screen on */ vgaxo(Seqx, 0x01, vga->sequencer[0x01]); ctlr->flag |= Fload; } Ctlr s3sdac = { "s3sdac", /* name */ 0, /* snarf */ options, /* options */ init, /* init */ load, /* load */ 0, /* dump */ }; ============================================ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 12:02:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45830>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:55:29 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45824>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:55:09 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:54:50 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:32:54 -0400 From: Sandy Harris Message-ID: <21746.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network Subject: Re: Order info Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans On Thu, 7 Sep 1995 04:17:59 GMT, Castor Fu wrote: >| [ Go into any bookshop, and ask for the package with ISBN >| 0-03-017143-1 -- mod ] > >This ISBN doesn't seem to be showing up in the local bookstores' >version of Books in Print. Not yet; Books in Print is never entirely up to date. Tell them the publisher is Harcourt Brace & let them make some phone calls. I'm working in a computer store & would like to sell some Plan 9 CDs, so I called Harcourt Brace Canada this week. They didn't know about it & the ISBN wasn't in their computer yet. They're checking with the US office & getting back to me.... -- Sandy Harris sharris@fox.nstn.ca >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 12:08:29 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45824>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:01:54 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45825>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:55:09 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:54:48 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:14:31 -0400 From: Clint Olsen Message-ID: <42q167$5m8@nntp5.u.washington.edu> Organization: University of Washington, Seattle References: Subject: Re: SCSI with NCR53C810 Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <9509080816.ZM9509@uvarovite.ESD.ORNL.Gov>, Lambert Joshua B. <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote: >I too have a controller based on the NCR53C810 SCSI chip. >The controller has no onboard BIOS, the BIOS is integrated into the main system >BIOS. >The board is a PCI board. > >I am planning an upgrade to an Adaptec board in about 3 months. Please explain to me why Adaptec is an upgrade. The testimony given from Linux and FreeBSD users state they've had significantly better performance from their NCR53C810 than any 7870-based card, even on a bad day! Not to mention that the 2940 card carries a fairly heavy pricetag... If there is some new wonderful Adaptec PCI SCSI card, I'd like to hear about it. -Clint >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 12:14:17 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45825>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:07:47 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45821>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:55:07 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:54:48 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 07:55:47 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-ID: Organization: Penn State Comp Sci & Eng References: <9509051015.AA15050@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> Subject: Re: file-server setup. --> Sun config stuff.. Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans johns@cs.umr.EDU (John Stone) writes: | I've noticed some other scsi weirdness that I havn't figured | out yet.. When I boot, I always get this: | message #02 | scsiintr: not disconnect: status=87 step/intr=418 dma=94000011 | D6.0.0.0: reverting to non-disconnecting mode | wrenread: D6.0.0.0(2460) bad status 4100 | wrenread: D6.0.0.0(2461) bad status 6002 I used to get similar messages on my ss2 fileserver, but a fix from Jim (recompile with the old scsi driver from the first edition) fixed it. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 12:21:03 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45821>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:13:31 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45812>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:55:06 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:54:48 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 04:35:38 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Message-ID: Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility References: <424lh6$c77@lace.Colorado.EDU> Subject: Re: Sun 3/50, someone? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans David Iain Greig wrote: >I noted that someone has done a functional port of Plan9 to the >Sun 3/50. Could anyone with information on this please email >me, as I am dying to look at Plan9, and I have a spare Sun 3/50 >kicking about. Yes, dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au (David Hogan) said: : I actually have the new system running on 3/50s and 3/60s. : At some stage I will tidy this up and make it available to : anyone who cares (and has a valid license). He'll probably announce it here when it is ready, so stay tuned ... -- Steve Kotsopoulos P.Eng. steve@ecf.toronto.edu Systems Analyst, Engineering Computing Facility, University of Toronto http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/staff/steve/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 12:31:03 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45812>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:24:18 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45823>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:55:08 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:54:49 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:49:50 -0400 From: Troy Smith Message-ID: <42qkqu$puc@sequoia.idir.net> Organization: Internet Direct Communications -- (913) 841-2200 Subject: Suggestions for getting my PC to boot? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm trying to install the 4-disk set on my PC, but am dying during the boot process. I've tried three different versions of disk1 and used four different methods (raw floppy boot, running b.com from a fully-loaded DOS, running from the recommended bare config, and running from a minimal DOS boot (hitting l-shift @boot)), but it always dies in the same place with the same message: 2053 free pages, 8212K bytes, swap 45972K, highwater 408K, headroom 508K CPU is a 66 MHz Intel486DX (cpuid: ax 400 dx 0) fs...time...boot: /386/init: file does not exist panic: boot process died: unknown Then a table of 25 hex values followed by "exiting". My system is an AMD 486DX2/66 with 12Mb RAM, 256K cache, two Conner CFS420A hard disks, Cirrus Logic CL-GD5428, and various other things. My motherboard is one of those strange ones with both types of SIMM slots (2 72-pin and 4 30-pin), with all 6 slots filled. Linux has run on this system, so it can't be too bad. Any hints on what would cause the preceeding will be appreciated, even if it means that I can't run it. Thanks, Troy Smith P.S. As an additional test, I pulled the 4 1Mb SIMMS to see if that would help. No luck. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 13:03:21 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45823>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:52:40 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45832>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:47:04 -0400 From: philw@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:39:01 -0400 Subject: Re: file-server setup. --> Sun config stuff.. Message-Id: <95Sep9.124704edt.45832@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >johns@cs.umr.EDU (John Stone) writes: >| I've noticed some other scsi weirdness that I havn't figured >| out yet.. When I boot, I always get this: >| message #02 >| scsiintr: not disconnect: status=87 step/intr=418 dma=94000011 >| D6.0.0.0: reverting to non-disconnecting mode >| wrenread: D6.0.0.0(2460) bad status 4100 >| wrenread: D6.0.0.0(2461) bad status 6002 > >I used to get similar messages on my ss2 fileserver, but a fix from >Jim (recompile with the old scsi driver from the first edition) fixed >it. Do not apply jmk fix unless the disk does not work. Its supposed to do this. It means the scsi driver saw an unexpected disconnect from the drive and decided to play it safe by moving to non disconnecting mode. It will retry the IO and by the looks of it succeed. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 14:15:52 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45852>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:06:02 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45826>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 13:58:24 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 13:40:00 -0400 Subject: re: Suggestions for getting my PC to boot? Message-Id: <95Sep9.135824edt.45826@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Have you checked that Linux and/or DOS can read the disk1 floppy? In particular, do they see an a:\386\init? ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 12:34:03 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45812>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:24:18 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45823>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:55:08 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:54:49 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:49:50 -0400 From: Troy Smith Message-ID: <42qkqu$puc@sequoia.idir.net> Organization: Internet Direct Communications -- (913) 841-2200 Subject: Suggestions for getting my PC to boot? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to install the 4-disk set on my PC, but am dying during the boot process. I've tried three different versions of disk1 and used four different methods (raw floppy boot, running b.com from a fully-loaded DOS, running from the recommended bare config, and running from a minimal DOS boot (hitting l-shift @boot)), but it always dies in the same place with the same message: 2053 free pages, 8212K bytes, swap 45972K, highwater 408K, headroom 508K CPU is a 66 MHz Intel486DX (cpuid: ax 400 dx 0) fs...time...boot: /386/init: file does not exist panic: boot process died: unknown Then a table of 25 hex values followed by "exiting". My system is an AMD 486DX2/66 with 12Mb RAM, 256K cache, two Conner CFS420A hard disks, Cirrus Logic CL-GD5428, and various other things. My motherboard is one of those strange ones with both types of SIMM slots (2 72-pin and 4 30-pin), with all 6 slots filled. Linux has run on this system, so it can't be too bad. Any hints on what would cause the preceeding will be appreciated, even if it means that I can't run it. Thanks, Troy Smith P.S. As an additional test, I pulled the 4 1Mb SIMMS to see if that would help. No luck. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 16:33:12 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45860>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:21:45 -0400 Received: from mail.swip.net ([192.71.180.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45646>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:47:07 -0400 Received: from bull.se by mail.swip.net (8.6.8/3.01) id RAA15123; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 17:50:53 +0200 Received: from comserv.bull.se by bull.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0srS4O-0000xDC; Sat, 9 Sep 95 17:43 MDT Received: from ml by comserv.bull.se with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0srS80-0000jDC; Sat, 9 Sep 95 17:47 MET Received: by ml.link.bull.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0srS4z-000A3kC; Sat, 9 Sep 95 17:44 MDT Received: by maja.link.bull.se (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA78032; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 17:41:42 +0200 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:41:42 -0400 From: mkc@maja.link.bull.se (Mikael Cardell) Message-Id: <9509091541.AA78032@maja.link.bull.se> To: 9fans Subject: gnot1.link.bull.se online Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Plan 9 is now up and running on my office PC. It's a Zenith Data Systems Z-select 100 486DX/66MHz, with 8 MB RAM, Cirrus VGA logic and a Zenith multisync 72 Hz monitor. I'm currently running 8 1/2 at 1024x768x1, since I couldn't get 1024x768x8 to work. I had some initial problems to get the machine to talk TCP/IP with the rest of the machines here at Telco Solutions. Strangely enough, I couldn't set the IP number 'by hand' with ipconfig. It wasn't until I changed sysname to be set explicitly, instead of reading from /dev/sysname, which I don't know how to set, in /bin/termrc that things started to work. Previously, I tried either to run ipconfig -a after setting sysname by hand or using ipconfig to force a set of the local IP number. I'm now using ftpfs to edit this file on the production server, a Bull DPX/20 690 running AIX. I'm about to port u9fs to AIX, if it hasn't been done allready, but ftpfs works fine for now, almost like ange-ftp in Emacs, except for one thing --- I don't seem to be able to find dot-files, starting with a '.'. One problem with ftpfs is that its mount point is only known to the process that forked and execed the ftpfs command and its children. I don't know how to change that, but I guess I have to dabble some in mount and bind. I also find that the editing capabilities of the windows in 8 1/2 doesn't work over telnet connections. Strange things happen; sometimes I don't seem to get out of the edit mode, as invoked by pressing ESC. Sometimes, I can't get into edit mode at all, the ESC being swalloved by telnet. When I telnet, the TERM environment variable on the target machine gets set automagically to 'p9win'. Does anyone have a description of the p9win terminal suitable for termcap or terminfo? mikael >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 18:31:13 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45875>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 18:11:09 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45889>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 17:35:33 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:43:29 -0400 Subject: re: gnot1.link.bull.se online Message-Id: <95Sep9.173533edt.45889@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >I'm now using ftpfs to edit this file on the production >server, a Bull DPX/20 690 running AIX. I'm about to port >u9fs to AIX, if it hasn't been done allready, but ftpfs works >fine for now, almost like ange-ftp in Emacs, except for one >thing --- I don't seem to be able to find dot-files, starting >with a '.'. The FTP command that goes to the Unix system is "LIST". The Unix ftp server is probably just doing an 'ls' to get the listing and because there's no '-a' flag, it hides the files starting with '.'. That's a Unixism I've never liked much. If it bugs you, you could change your ftpfs to do an 'LIST -a'. I'ld rather someone fixed Unix but what the heck. >I also find that the editing capabilities of the windows in >8 1/2 doesn't work over telnet connections. Strange things >happen; sometimes I don't seem to get out of the edit mode, >as invoked by pressing ESC. Sometimes, I can't get into >edit mode at all, the ESC being swalloved by telnet. Telnet sticks the window into raw mode and grabs any characters you type, ESC included, and sends them over the network connection as long as the cursor is at the Unix point, i.e., the last selectable spot in the window. If you move the cursor somewhere else (by clicking button 1), you can get into and out of hold mode. >One problem with ftpfs is that its mount point is only known >to the process that forked and execed the ftpfs command and >its children. I don't know how to change that, but I guess >I have to dabble some in mount and bind. No dabbling will fix that. You could hack ftpfs to stick itself into /srv and then mount that somewhere else. It's easy enough to do, just look at the 's' option in /sys/src/cmd/ramfs.c >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 20:20:24 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45855>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 20:12:01 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45621>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 19:49:22 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 19:21:14 -0400 Subject: Re: SPEA Mirage (was: Re: format for source diffs) Message-Id: <95Sep9.194922edt.45621@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ha! Someone else touched aux/vga! My work is done. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 20:31:44 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34186>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 20:18:11 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34184>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 20:17:38 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 20:29:46 -0400 subject: ls .pooter Message-Id: <95Sep9.201738edt.34184@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>there's no '-a' flag, it hides the files starting with '.'. That's >>a Unixism I've never liked much. If it bugs you, you could change your >>ftpfs to do an 'LIST -a'. I'ld rather someone fixed Unix but what the >>heck. i believe it was fixed in the 7th Edition, but the fix was lost by one group and not taken up by the other. (as usual, cold comfort!) >>>I also find that the editing capabilities of the windows in >>>8 1/2 doesn't work over telnet connections. Strange things >>>happen; sometimes I don't seem to get out of the edit mode, you could try using sam -r to the unix machine: you'd need to put a copy of sam (but not samterm) on the remote machine. if you've got the CDROM, see /sys/src/cmd/unix/sam; if not, a separate sam distribution is available for anonymous ftp. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 9 23:12:21 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45914>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 22:56:14 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45827>; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 22:27:08 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 21:51:40 -0400 Subject: re: gnot1.link.bull.se online Message-Id: <95Sep9.222708edt.45827@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>One problem with ftpfs is that its mount point is only known >>to the process that forked and execed the ftpfs command and >>its children. I don't know how to change that, but I guess >>I have to dabble some in mount and bind. >No dabbling will fix that. You could hack ftpfs to stick itself >into /srv and then mount that somewhere else. It's easy enough to >do, just look at the 's' option in /sys/src/cmd/ramfs.c Doesn't take any hacking. See srvfs(4). The last sentence even says that this is the canonical use of the command. -rob >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 10 03:34:21 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45901>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 03:15:56 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45845>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 03:06:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 02:38:58 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: Sun 3/50, someone? Message-Id: <95Sep10.030646edt.45845@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Yes, dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au (David Hogan) said: >: I actually have the new system running on 3/50s and 3/60s. >: At some stage I will tidy this up and make it available to >: anyone who cares (and has a valid license). > >He'll probably announce it here when it is ready, so stay tuned ... I've been too busy to do this myself. Forsyth has offered to get it ready for distribution, and I have agreed to this. Only trouble now is that upas, as distributed, barfs on large messages received via smtp, so I haven't actually got the bundle through to him yet. If you set up Plan 9 as a mail server, you need to do a "chmod 777 /mail/tmp" to stop this from happening. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 10 08:30:15 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45937>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 08:13:06 -0400 Received: from mail.sni.co.uk ([193.116.1.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45966>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 07:54:43 -0400 Received: from argon.sni.co.uk by mail.sni.co.uk (4.1/SNI-5.5) id AA10430; Sun, 10 Sep 95 11:40:53 GMT Received: from sps.siemens.co.uk ([193.119.236.2]) by argon.sni.co.uk; Sun, 10 Sep 95 12:45:30 +0100 Received: from brains.sps.siemens.co.uk by sps.siemens.co.uk (4.1/SPS-MAIN) id AA16071; Sun, 10 Sep 95 12:24:41 BST Received: by brains.sps.siemens.co.uk (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA11843; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:27:17 +0100 Message-Id: <9509101127.AA11843@brains.sps.siemens.co.uk> To: 9fans Cc: ralphc@sps.siemens.co.uk Subject: Re: Order info In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 08 Sep 95 17:32:54 EDT." <21746.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 07:27:16 -0400 From: ralphc@sni.co.uk X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > On Thu, 7 Sep 1995 04:17:59 GMT, > Castor Fu wrote: > > >| [ Go into any bookshop, and ask for the package with ISBN > >| 0-03-017143-1 -- mod ] > > > >This ISBN doesn't seem to be showing up in the local bookstores' > >version of Books in Print. > > Not yet; Books in Print is never entirely up to date. Tell them > the publisher is Harcourt Brace & let them make some phone calls. > [...] > Sandy Harris > sharris@fox.nstn.ca That is what I let our normal book suppliers do. They came back with the details, and the 257 pounds sterling price tag +VAT. Do the two books count as a VATable item because of the CD? Or does VAT only apply to the CD part (since you can buy the books on their own). Oh yes, one other thing. They said it wasn't available until next June! So although I'd like to hear from any purchasers in the UK I'm probably just going to end up getting a colleague in the States to buy it for me. Any problems with this? Different version sold in the States that can't be exported? Ralph. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ralph Corderoy. ralphc@sps.siemens.co.uk. Phone: UK 01202-408769. Siemens Plessey Systems, Grange Road, Christchurch, Dorset. BH23 4JE >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 10 12:44:53 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45903>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:35:39 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45969>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:34:23 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:43:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Order info Message-Id: <95Sep10.123423edt.45969@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>So although I'd like to hear from any purchasers in the UK I'm probably >>just going to end up getting a colleague in the States to buy it for me. >>Any problems with this? Different version sold in the States that can't >>be exported? the same CDROM is supplied inside and outside the USA. you can order by telephone. on the plan9.att.com distribution page several numbers are listed. pick the one appropriate for your area. i placed an order recently. they do know about Plan 9 on the International number. (`about' its existence, i mean; don't ask them how the mount driver works.) you can place an order using any of the common credit cards. 3 to 5 day FEDEX shipping was an extra $33 for me (for one full kit and an extra manual set). i think the other shipping option was surface (too slow). the package arrived less than a week after i'd ordered it. unfortunately, they shipped it to the house across the street, where it is stuck until the owners return from holiday (someone there did sign for it...). >>Oh yes, one other thing. They said it wasn't available until next June! it is supposed to be published here then. meanwhile, order direct from Harcourt Brace & Co. in Florida. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 10 13:21:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45981>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:12:41 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45855>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:10:02 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10646; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:05:00 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509101705.AA10646@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Cannot boot Plan 9 in my motherboard To: 9fans Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:35:19 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello, After buying a CDROM drive and a SCSI hard disk, I have tried to install Plan 9 in my machine. I had installed it putting the disk in a machine I borrowed from a friend without trouble. (Well, actually I hadn't the CDROM reader yet, so the disk has only the three-diskette set installed). Today I have tried to boot the disk in my machine (a 386/25 with 387, 8 MB of RAM and OPTI chipset) without success. The motherboard is rather old (the BIOS is from 1990). The SCSI adapter is a Adaptec 1540CF and the disk is a Quantum Trailblazer (850 MB) The system has crashed when it prompts "root from:.... #w0/..." At that point the keyboard didn't respond. Does it stil use the BIOS in that stage to read the disk (it could be a problem of too many cylinders) or may it is another kind of compatibility problem? Ah, the system didn't give any panic message; simply died silently. If I cannot make it work I will buy another motherboard... Thanks in advance, Borja Marcos. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 10 18:22:53 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45914>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 18:12:28 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46005>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 18:12:09 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10680; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:08:18 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509102208.AA10680@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: Cannot boot Plan 9 in my motherboard To: 9fans Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 18:38:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9509101751.AA10665@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> from "jmk@plan9.att.com" at Sep 10, 95 01:46:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > yes, try it with a boot floppy. i'm surprised that if b.com manages to load the kernel > from the scsi disc that the kernel won't run. also ensure there's no shadow bios > enabled. The BIOS shadow was disabled as I use the motherboard with SCO Unix. I have been trying another motherboard and have seen strange effects. After installing the full CDROM system and booting it, I have tried to enlarge the shell window it creates when you boot as "tor" but the system simply hasn't done it. It happened in fact when I was trying the four-diskette set vefore receiving the CDROM, but I thought it was a memory problem, as the "swap" command isn't present in the diskettes. After happening that, I have executed the swap comand giving /dev/sd0swap as the argument, but the system continued to fail to enlarge the window. Starting other programs such as mothra gave "Not enough bitmap memory..." (more or less, I haven't written down the messages, sorry). If I opened another shell window, the menu for the button three appeared garbled with the background. Do you think it's an incompatibility with the motherboard? Or is it just a small swap partition? ( I have the default 10 MB partition). Is there an easy way of setting up a bigger swap partition before installing the CDROM? I have set up manually a partition table with a 40 MB swap partition, but the CDROM installation has overwritten it. Thank you very much, Borja. > > --jim > -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 10 18:59:49 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45855>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 18:49:04 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45884>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 18:44:37 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10696; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:36:11 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509102236.AA10696@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: How many Plan 9 installations/licenses? To: 9fans Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:06:33 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Just as a matter of curiosity: How many licenses of Plan 9 have been sold? How many installations are there right now? And... Hay algun otro espa~nol que haya comprado una licencia? Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 10 19:30:11 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46026>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:20:24 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46028>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:12:42 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:11:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Cannot boot Plan 9 in my motherboard Message-Id: <95Sep10.191242edt.46028@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>as the argument, but the system continued to fail to enlarge the window. >> Starting other programs such as mothra gave "Not enough bitmap >>memory..." (more or less, I haven't written down the messages, sorry). i completed the fix for part of this today: it's a refinement of a change i had to make earlier for just the reason given above. the problem is that on the PC architecture, the screen dimensions and depth are highly variable within certain limits. when the /dev/bitblt device is initialised, it allocates three screenfuls of memory for bitmaps (failing that, a single screenful). this works on most machines, but the key variables can be zero (or at least too small) on the PC. aux/vga sorts nearly everything out, but the memory allocated by /dev/bitblt after that can be given back to the system for general allocation. /dev/bitblt will try to get it back on demand, but it allocates screenfuls, and internal fragmentation of the kernel's memory pool means it can fail (even though on my 16Mbyte machine there was over 3Mbytes available in all). i'll try to post the changes tomorrow. meanwhile, try adding kernelpercent=40 to the plan9.ini file; see plan9.ini(8) for details and further explanation. i find this makes things work as well as can be expected on a 4mbyte terminal. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 10 22:07:01 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46055>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:54:17 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46020>; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:33:52 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id KAA02574 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:21:57 GMT Message-Id: <199509111021.KAA02574@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: Re: date command (Another question ? _o_ ) In-reply-to: forsyth's message of Sat, 09 Sep 1995 07:11:55 -0400. <95Sep9.070230edt.45576@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > >>After I applied above, and did the date command, I got a future time > >>like this: > >> Sun Sep 10 03:36:55 JST 1995. > >>I dispatched the date command at > >> Sat Sep 9 18:36:55. > >>It's 9 hours ahead now. > >>Kenji > > > Plan 9 uses GMT as its time base, while DOS uses local time, so unless you live on the > prime meridian you'll need to reset your DOS clock after running Plan 9. > > (from ``The Various Ports'') Oh! Yes, I've not read 'Ports' documentation. I'll do this, thank you. I have onemore queston on time related things. I noticed my clock becomes delay by delay after I run Plan 9, that is, after running plan9 for a week, i've gotten 2 or 3 minutes delay. I'm experiencing special case? Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 02:54:21 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46051>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 02:44:56 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46054>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 02:36:12 -0400 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:27:00 +1000 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id GAA09508; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:26:50 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id AA21069; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:30:05 +1000 (5.x/1.34) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" Message-Id: <9509111630.ZM21067@suede.sw.oz.au> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:30:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) "Re: Cannot boot Plan 9 in my motherboard" (Sep 10, 6:38pm) References: <9509102208.AA10680@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE Starting other programs such as mothra gave "Not enough bitmap > memory..." (more or less, I haven't written down the messages, sorry). > If I opened another shell window, the menu for the button three appeared > garbled with the background. > > Do you think it's an incompatibility with the motherboard? Or is > it just a small swap partition? ( I have the default 10 MB partition). I get this too. I doubt it's a motherboard compatability problem. When I use 1152x864x8 I can only get up a couple of small windows. Enlarging them or trying to create new ones just fails. Creating windows with the window command fails with a message something like "out of resources". If I run sam on the bare console in this mode, it often fails with a message about not being able to allocate bitmap memory. If I run the system at 1024x768x1, none of this happens, so I assume it's a memory problem. However, there doesn't seem to be a shortage of either real or virtual memory when the allocations fail, so I assume it's some pool of kernel memory which is being exhausted. I looked at the code, but not closely enough to see what was going on. How does one run a reasonable number of usefully sized windows at high resolutions? Details: #9 GXE 64 video card, i486 DX2 66, 16MB memory, IDE drive. J >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 03:42:18 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46056>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:30:20 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46059>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:28:10 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:25:25 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:20:45 -0400 From: Credible Lie Message-ID: <4302th$8lh@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Vulcan Institute of Technology Subject: Adaptec 1542B, Bios disabled, panics Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm trying to boot DISK1. Mount fails and panic ensues. Booting from Seagate 850Meg EIDE with a Promise 2300 controller (controller BIOS enabled to get LBA on a 33Mhz 486SX - 8 Meg - Local bus - AMI Bios motherboard) I have an Adaptec 1542B configured with BIOS disabled and I/O ports starting at 230 (hex). I've got an entire 115 Meg Conner SCSI drive set aside for Plan9 in whatever partitioning it wants. I got as far as I did with Plan9 by disabling BOOT MANAGER (setting the DOS partition active). There is no free space on the 850Meg EIDE drive. I wanted Plan9 on the little SCSI drive that I wasn't using. Somehow, I just feel like Plan9 has not put any sort of file system on the SCSI drive. The one odd thing is that Adaptec supplies a partitioning utility (AFDISK). Maybe I haven't done something right with the partitioning of the SCSI drive. Is anyone else running Plan9 off a 1542 with BIOS disabled? Thanks, Richard Omer University of Florida Sr. Programmer Analyst >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 03:49:50 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46059>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:41:33 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46026>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:25:19 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 00:46:22 -0400 From: Jack Johnson Message-ID: Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network Subject: PC video problems Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've been trying to install the ftp-able version and I'm running into a strange problem. After accepting none as the username, I get the following: init: starting /bin/rc /bin/dossrv 19: serving #s/dos init: rc exit status: rc 8:false init: starting /bin/rc term% Sometime during this the screen also changes size, but remains text-only. I never get the windowing system. Also, if I enter a username (after setting it up, of course) it hangs following the second "init: starting /bin/rc". I assume it has to do with my video card. It's a Cirrus Logic-based card on the motherboard (of an HP Vectra VL2), and Windows '95 tells me that, although it works, "The resources this device is using does not match any of its known configurations." I know the gang at AT&T has had success with Cirrus Logic cards on the motherboard, so I'm hoping someone out there has run into this problem already. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! -Jack Johnson fsjdj1@aurora.alaska.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 03:57:03 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46026>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:49:28 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46017>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:28:26 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id QAA00421 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:25:17 GMT Message-Id: <199509111625.QAA00421@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: How to read 8-1/2? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Sorry all, this silly question, however, how to read 8-1/2? Eight half? Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 04:12:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46060>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:05:34 -0400 Received: from mail.swip.net ([192.71.180.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46096>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:00:31 -0400 Received: from bull.se by mail.swip.net (8.6.8/3.01) id JAA27877; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:42:16 +0200 Received: from comserv.bull.se by bull.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0ss3OV-0000wZC; Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:35 MDT Received: from ml by comserv.bull.se with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0ss3S7-0000iZC; Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:38 MET Received: by ml.link.bull.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0ss3P6-000AtjC; Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:35 MDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:35:00 -0400 From: mkc@bull.se To: 9fans Subject: ls .pooter In-Reply-To: <95Sep9.201738edt.34184@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> References: <95Sep9.201738edt.34184@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk writes: > you could try using sam -r to the unix machine: you'd need to put > a copy of sam (but not samterm) on the remote machine. Oh, but I did. Of course I did. However, since /bin/rx doesn't come with the four diskettes, I will probably have to wait for the CD-ROM. Is there any other way I can execute sam on a remote host and connect it with the local sam? Mikael Cardell Systems Engineer Telco Solutions, System Integration Services Bull Northern Europe >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 08:22:44 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46126>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:08:27 -0400 Received: from molly.cs.monash.edu.au ([130.194.64.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46146>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:51:39 -0400 Received: (from acb@localhost) by molly.cs.monash.edu.au (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA26931 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:32:25 +1000 From: Andrew C Bulhak Message-Id: <199509111132.VAA26931@molly.cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: Re: How to read 8-1/2? To: 9fans Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:32:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <199509111625.QAA00421@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> from "Kenji Okamoto" at Sep 11, 95 12:25:16 pm X-Life-The-Universe-And-Everything: 42 X-Discordian-Date: Prickle-Prickle,the 35th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3161 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 580 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Kenji Okamoto] > > Sorry all, this silly question, however, how to read 8-1/2? > > Eight half? I think it's "eight and a half". It's named after a Frederico Fellini film. -- /d/def/s/scale/u/dup/f/forall{load def}{loop}stopped pop/r{u 1 lt{-1 0 moveto 1 1 lineto stroke}{[[(ha_a0\211)(db\\h\(~)(eVhdOj)(jd_dbd)(dh\\bT\200)(f_ab^\211) (c]ffe\201)(`@h`x\200)(cZhd#h)(hb^d0v)(`Lh`8t)(eVhd\223~)(gj^a\230j)(h_ab\210a) (gd^c\211\205)]{[exch{96 sub}f]}f]{gsave 1 64 div u s concat u 1 sub r grestore }f}ifelse pop}d 240 u s 1.25 1 translate 4 r showpage% - acb@cs.monash.edu.au - >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 09:28:42 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46047>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:56:56 -0400 Received: from relay1.jaring.my ([192.228.128.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46184>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:22:34 -0400 Received: from hicom.UUCP (root@localhost) by relay1.jaring.my (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id TAA27995 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:44:12 +0800 Received: by hicom.po.my (UUPC/extended 1.12b); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:50:59 MYT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:50:58 -0400 From: "Johnson Lukose" Message-ID: <30541493.hicom@hicom.po.my> Organization: Hicom Communications Sdn Bhd To: cse.psu.edu!9fans@relay1.jaring.my Subject: Re: Plan9 & OS/2 Boot Manager Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans unsubscribe -- Johnson Lukose jluqaz@hicom.po.my HICOM Communications Sdn. Bhd. Tel: +60 3 202 8800 Suite 3.5, Wisma HICOM Fax: +60 3 202 8899 Jalan U1/8, Off Persiaran Kerjaya 40000 Shah Alam MALAYSIA >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 10:24:10 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46146>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:58:29 -0400 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46170>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:52:24 -0400 Received: by research.att.com; Mon Sep 11 08:51 EDT 1995 Received: from bruce.UUCP by big.info.att.com; id AA24750; Mon, 11 Sep 95 08:51:29 EDT Posted-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 08:51:36 EDT Message-Id: <9509111251.AA24750@big.info.att.com> Received: by bruce.UUCP (4.1/4.7) id AA01221; Mon, 11 Sep 95 08:51:36 EDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:51:36 -0400 From: jo@big.att.com (Joseph Othmer) To: 9fans Subject: Re: panic: ataintr: wait busy Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <95Sep7.174253pdt.34952@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com>, you write: |> The machine I can use for plan9 was finally delivered. It's a 486 with an |> Adaptec 1542 of some flavor. When I boot I get wait busy panics. I updated |> my disks this afternoon and when I copy b.com and 9dos to C: and do |> |> C:\b sd!0 |> |> It sees both of the disks I have installed, but after 9dos boots I get this: |> |> 5569 free pages, 22276K bytes, swap 11126K, highwater 1112K, headroom 1388K |> CPU is a 33 MHz Intel486DX (cpuid: ax 400 dx 0) |> scsi0: aha1542: port 330 irq 14 dma5 |> panic: wait busy cmd=0 status=ff |> |> Anyone seen this one before? A search for adaptec and ataintr in my 9fans |> archive didn't help much. |> |> --berry |> |> Berry Kercheval :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center |> |> I had the same problem. Try changing the disk controller to interrupt 11. The kernel asks the controller which interrupt it is set for and tries to setup the machine to use it. I does not succeed. Interrupt 11 seems to work. Joe Othmer, Visual Communications Research Dept. AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ, 07733 Voice: 908 949-6975 FAX: 908 949-3697 UUCP: att!research!jo INTERNET: jo@research.att.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 12:49:28 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45450>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:31:25 -0400 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu ([141.209.20.201]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45464>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:31:09 -0400 Received: from tigaon.cps.cmich.edu (tigaon.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.80]) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA18305 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:31:18 -0400 From: Ishwar Rattan Received: (rattan@localhost) by tigaon.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id MAA00808 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:29:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199509111629.MAA00808@tigaon.cps.cmich.edu> Subject: Help with demo disks... To: 9fans Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:29:21 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 745 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I downloaded the four disks images from plan9.att.com:/plan9/pcdist. The disks downloaded are disk1.2, disk2.vd, disk3.vd, and disk4.vd. I tried to install on a 386/40 with no x387 (8Mb RAM, Trident VGA/1Mb RAM, and IDE disk). After the command a:b, it asks to proceed with installation, on a affirmative keypress it starts with errors: Problem Copying Files file does not exist File: /n/a/rc/bin/cpurcdos Press any key to continue.. Same message next three times -- ....... File: n/c/Pla9/rc/bin/cpurc Press.. ....... File: /n/a/lib/namedos Press.. ....... File /n/c/Plan9/lib/namespace Press.. Finally it says that Plan9 is installed on c:\Plan9 .. It seems the system is installed on diskette itself! What is the way out? -Ishwar Rattan >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 13:44:19 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45476>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:23:43 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45478>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:23:27 -0400 Received: from reynaldo.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.96]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15761(6)>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:23:04 PDT Received: from localhost by reynaldo.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <34952>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:22:54 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans cc: kerch@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: panic: ataintr: wait busy In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 Sep 95 05:51:36 PDT." <9509111251.AA24750@big.info.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:22:47 -0400 From: Berry Kercheval Message-Id: <95Sep11.102254pdt.34952@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>>Joseph Othmer said: > I had the same problem. Try changing the disk controller to interrupt 11. On the advice of jmk, I did this, and I successfully installed and booted plan9 earlier this morning. Now the figure out vgadb so I can start the window system... --berry Berry Kercheval :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 14:15:06 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45491>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:58:59 -0400 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45470>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:15:12 -0400 Received: by research.att.com; Tue Sep 5 12:52 EDT 1995 Received: from bebop.tempo.att.com by allegra.tempo.att.com; id AA04377; Tue, 5 Sep 95 12:52:12 EDT To: 9fans Subject: Re: PC-clone hardware Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 12:52:08 -0400 From: Geoff Collyer Message-Id: <95Sep5.131512edt.45470@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans cpu and fpu compatibility are worth paying attention to. i used to have a cyrix 486dx, which worked fine except that proof crashed when the cyrix fpu generated an incorrect (and incompatible) result. a genuine intel 486dx2 cured the problem. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 16:34:15 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45518>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:24:27 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45564>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:20:21 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:15:23 -0400 Subject: re: PC video problems Message-Id: <95Sep11.162021edt.45564@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans One of the biggest problems with Plan 9 on the PC is the awful VGA device and the equally awful programme to set it up, aux/vga. Here's a quick rundown on what to do if Plan 9 fails to recognise your VGA card on startup, i.e you are left in the green-on-black text mode. If the system hangs on boot before a message from dossrv appears on the CGA screen then aux/vga blew it. You can prevent aux/vga from running by commenting out the 'monitor=' line in plan9.ini, /bin/termrc will only run aux/vga if the environment variable 'monitor' is set. You will be left in CGA mode. Two warnings about this: a) make sure you do not start anything fancy (such as a window manager) in your lib/profile; b) DEL is interpreted by the window manager so you will be unable to interrupt anything you start. If you can't get to this state then your PC/VGA just isn't compatible with Plan 9. 1) At the command prompt execute aux/vga -pv > /tmp/x (you may have to execute ramfs first if you don't have a writeable /tmp yet). Aux/vga defaults to 'monitor=vga' and resolution 640x480x1. Output is redirected to capture some information during this run while still in CGA mode that would be destroyed by the switch to VGA mode. Usually this will have the desired effect and the system will be in VGA mode. 2) Look in /tmp/x for any obvious errors. There may be a section which says e.g. controller not in ./vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 40 EB 04 37 34 30 30 E9 0A 15 00 00 00 00 U.@..7400....... 0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 49 42 ..............IB 0xC0020 4D 20 56 47 41 20 43 6F 6D 70 61 74 69 62 6C 65 M VGA Compatible 0xC0030 20 42 49 4F 53 2E 20 00 BB 66 DB 01 EF 01 81 00 BIOS. ..f...... 0xC0040 00 FF 00 0A 51 75 61 64 74 65 6C 20 53 33 20 38 ....Quadtel S3 8 0xC0050 36 43 38 30 35 20 45 6E 68 61 6E 63 65 64 20 56 6C805 Enhanced V 0xC0060 47 41 20 42 49 4F 53 2E 20 56 65 72 73 69 6F 6E GA BIOS. Version 0xC0070 20 32 2E 31 33 2E 30 32 45 30 31 0D 0A 43 6F 70 2.13.02E01..Cop 0xC0080 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 38 37 2D 31 39 39 32 yright 1987-1992 0xC0090 20 51 75 61 64 74 65 6C 20 43 6F 72 70 2E 2C 20 Quadtel Corp., 0xC00A0 41 20 50 68 6F 65 6E 69 78 20 54 65 63 68 6E 6F A Phoenix Techno 0xC00B0 6C 6F 67 69 65 73 20 4C 74 64 20 43 6F 6D 70 61 logies Ltd Compa 0xC00C0 6E 79 2E 0D 0A 41 6C 6C 20 52 69 67 68 74 73 20 ny...All Rights 0xC00D0 52 65 73 65 72 76 65 64 0D 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 Reserved........ 0xC00E0 00 00 00 00 4F 72 63 68 69 64 20 54 65 63 68 6E ....Orchid Techn 0xC00F0 6F 6C 6F 67 79 20 46 61 68 72 65 6E 68 65 69 74 ology Fahrenheit This is a dump of part of the VGA BIOS and can be used to add an entry to /lib/vgadb for this card: ctlr 0xC0044="Quadtel S3 86C805 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 2.13.02E01" ctlr=vga 3) Now try the default vga mode again by executing aux/vga -lpv > /tmp/xx Again, look in /tmp/xx for obvious errors. 4) With this in place aux/vga should work without complaint for resolutions 640x480x[18] as these require no additional programming of the graphics chip, RAMDAC or clock generator. To proceed to higher resolutions and clock rates it's necessary to know more about the VGA card, specifically which graphics chip, RAMDAC and clock generator are used; inspect the card and see VGADB(6) for more details. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 16:44:26 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <46158>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:37:15 -0400 Received: from zachs.place.org ([204.157.154.19]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <46181>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:20:28 -0400 Received: from zachs.place.org ([127.0.0.1]) by zachs.place.org with smtp (ident zachary using rfc1413) id (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.33); Mon, 11 Sep 95 02:50 CDT Message-Id: To: 9fans Subject: Re: SCSI with NCR53C810 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 Sep 1995 04:42:04 EDT." <9509080742.AA09749@symbionics.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:50:32 -0400 From: Zachary DeAquila Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >From: "Nigel Roles" >Organization: Symbionics Communications >To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 04:42:04 -0400 >Subject: Re: SCSI with NCR53C810 >Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > > >> Does anyone have/has anyone written/where do I get a driver so that I can >> install Plan9 on my >> SCSI drive? The controller is based on the NCR53C810 SCSI chip, and the >> machine in >> question has *no* IDE drives, nor ways for me add them since it's a notebook. >> Is there any >> way I can 'bootstrap' by putting DOS on the drive and then putting plan9 on >> the drive >> and letting it install itself over the DOS partition? maybe with a RAMdisk? >> I'd really >> like to try this OS out... >> >> --Zachary > >Executive summary - yes. I've got a version of the loader and kernel >which support the NCR series. I guess you want the 4 disk version, >because you ain't going to buy the CDROM first off. I need to know if >it's OK to make available an alternate 4 disk solution 'for free'. >Anyone at the Labs wish to comment? > I've seen no response to this, so I'm posting it here again for someone from Bell Labs to comment on and hopefully give Nigel the go ahead to make/give me the disks so I can try out this fine OS... --Zachary >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 22:48:53 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45599>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:34:18 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45583>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:32:00 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:22:58 -0400 Subject: Mille Miglia Message-Id: <95Sep11.223200edt.45583@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Today Helix, our main CPU server, reached a PID of one million. %g cpu -hhelix rob% ps bootes 1 0:00 0:00 60K Wait init ... rob 1001919 0:00 0:00 148K Wait rc rob 1001920 0:00 0:00 44K Read il17006 rob 1001933 0:00 0:03 68K Read ps rob% echo $boottime Sun Aug 6 16:47:15 EDT 1995 rob% >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 23:38:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45600>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:30:25 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45599>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:30:08 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:11:21 -0400 Subject: source updates available Message-Id: <95Sep11.233008edt.45599@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Some updates in the form of bundles of diffs against the distribution source are available in the directory plan9/update on plan9.att.com: README 9/port/810872359.rc 9/pc/810873946.rc boot/pc/810864149.rc cmd/aux/vga/810871888.rc rc/boddle rc/boddle.man These updates bring the source for b.com, aux/vga and the PC kernel into line with the (soon to be) current 4-disc binary distribution. Thanks to everyone who contributed time and fixes. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 11 23:50:21 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45599>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:41:36 -0400 Received: from localhost.nyu.edu ([128.122.237.138]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45598>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:41:16 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.nyu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA00245; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:42:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:42:17 -0400 From: "Michael C. Montero" To: 9fans <9fans> Subject: Distribution Disks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Are there any other locations for the Plan9 distribution disks other then plan9.att.com? I am wondering if there are any disks other then the ones there. Thanks, Mike >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 12 02:26:59 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45677>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:20:58 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45678>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:20:41 -0400 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:20:11 +1000 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id GAA22584; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:20:04 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id AA26208; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:23:18 +1000 (5.x/1.34) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" Message-Id: <9509121623.ZM26206@suede.sw.oz.au> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:23:16 -0400 X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oEFrom 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 12 03:53:47 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45678>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:47:25 -0400 Received: from tcs07.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.76]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45682>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:47:09 -0400 Received: (from staffanu@localhost) by tcs07.nada.kth.se (8.6.10/8.6.9) id JAA11667; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:46:39 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:46:39 -0400 From: Staffan Ulfberg Message-Id: <199509120746.JAA11667@tcs07.nada.kth.se> To: 9fans In-reply-to: rattan@cps201.cps.cmich.EDU's message of Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:29:21 GMT Subject: Help with demo disks... Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Seems like the same problem I had. The problem is, I think, that Plan 9 doesn't see your C: partition. I think that must have only one primary partition, at the very beginning of the drive, no boot manager, and probably not too many extended partitions eiter. (At most 1, I guess, which makes a total of two partitions.) After fulfilling these requirements, my installation started working. Hope this helps, Staffan >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 12 06:43:03 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45694>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:31:44 -0400 Received: from innergate.sni.co.uk ([193.116.1.4]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45693>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:31:28 -0400 Received: from sps.siemens.co.uk (trumpton.sps.siemens.co.uk [193.119.236.2]) by innergate.sni.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA04937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:47:38 GMT From: ralphc@sps.siemens.co.uk Received: from brains.sps.siemens.co.uk by sps.siemens.co.uk (4.1/SPS-MAIN) id AA21938; Tue, 12 Sep 95 11:31:19 BST Received: by brains.sps.siemens.co.uk (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00523; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:33:45 +0100 Message-Id: <9509121033.AA00523@brains.sps.siemens.co.uk> To: 9fans Cc: ralphc@sps.siemens.co.uk Subject: Panic: Lock Loop On Inserting Disk2.vd. Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:33:44 -0400 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm installing the four disk set on a HP Vectra QS/165 8MB IDE machine. Running a:b goes fine and installs on the DOS partition. I then run plan9\b and select the hardware. I've lied a bit because it has a DEC network card that I don't intend to use so I said `none'. It recognises the 150MB of free space at the end of the disc and prepares it. Then it asks for the second disk and press any key. I insert a disk with disk2.vd on it and press return. The floppy is accessed briefly then the drive light goes out and nothing happens. Leaving it for 20 seconds or so results in: panic: lock loop 0x0 key 0x989680 pc 0x8010efea held by pc 0xffffffff 80113d4f 8010d306 801126df 80100001 80107058 8010da06 8010d8f5 80107155 80105315 8010029a 80100245 8010001b 80106fb8 80107026 8010efea 8010efea 8010efea 8010f9f8 80112d1f 80104483 801126ca 80102dbc 80100245 80100245 exiting "It means nothing to me." -- Midge Ure. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Should I take out the unneeded Ethernet card? Ralph. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ralph Corderoy. ralphc@sps.siemens.co.uk. Phone: UK 01202-408769. Siemens Plessey Systems, Grange Road, Christchurch, Dorset. BH23 4JE >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 12 09:58:32 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45713>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:47:20 -0400 Received: from uvarovite.ESD.ORNL.Gov ([128.219.30.250]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45714>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:47:04 -0400 Received: (from jlambert@localhost) by uvarovite.ESD.ORNL.Gov (8.6.10/8.6.10) id NAA18972 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:46:44 GMT From: "Lambert Joshua B." Message-Id: <9509120946.ZM18970@uvarovite.ESD.ORNL.Gov> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:46:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: Zachary DeAquila "Re: SCSI with NCR53C810" (Sep 11, 3:50am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: 9fans Subject: Re: SCSI with NCR53C810 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I would also like to try out the disks referenced here since I have a NCR SCSI too. Josh -- ------------------ Joshua B. Lambert Research Associate University of Tennessee ORNL NASA EOS/EOSDIS DAAC Software Development/Analysis P.O. Box 2008, MS 6407 Oak Ridge National Laboratory Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6407 (615)241-5921 Phone olz@ornl.gov - Primary E-Mail (615)574-4665 Fax jlambert@uvarovite.esd.ornl.gov - E-Mail (615)564-8676 Pager jlambert@utkux1.utk.edu - E-Mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 12 11:35:23 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45468>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:25:59 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45463>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:25:44 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:16:14 -0400 Subject: re: aux/depend Message-Id: <95Sep12.112544edt.45463@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I screwed up. It shouldn't have been on the release, i.e., its usefulness is limited. We run one of the netlib sites. Netlib is a library of free software, papers, and other useful stuff mostly of a mathematical nature. Each directory in netlib contains a .depend file that lists what symbols are exported from each file in the directory and the external symbols which that file references. Depend mirrors the nelib directory structure. In each directory appears a file for each symbol exported by a program (as listed in .depend). Reading one of these files yields the transitive closure of all the files needed to resolve that symbol. It's a way of giving someone what they asked for instead of the whole contents of the directory. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 12 02:29:19 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45677>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:20:58 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45678>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:20:41 -0400 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:20:11 +1000 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id GAA22584; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:20:04 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id AA26208; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:23:18 +1000 (5.x/1.34) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" Message-Id: <9509121623.ZM26206@suede.sw.oz.au> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:23:16 -0400 X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oEFrom 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 12 18:23:15 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45517>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:41:22 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45516>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:41:05 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:33:48 -0400 Subject: Does Plan 9 use graphics hardware Message-Id: <95Sep12.174105edt.45516@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Does Plan 9 use hardware graphics accelerators? If not, does the design allow efficient use of graphics accelerator hardware or does it require a dumb frame buffer? -- John Carr (jfc@mit.edu) at present the accelerator hardware is not used, other than a hardware cursor on those cards that support it. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 00:04:35 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45561>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:29:31 -0400 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net ([192.76.144.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45545>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:59:19 -0400 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (5.59:8/EUnetD-2.5.2.a) via EUnet id EAA13394; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:03:04 +0200 Received: from mwtech by shakti.rent-a-guru.de with UUCP (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA11470; Tue, 12 Sep 95 22:48:14 +0200 Received: by mwtech.rent-a-guru.de (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA00409; Tue, 12 Sep 95 22:02:19 GMT From: Martin Weitzel Message-Id: <9509122202.AA00409@mwtech.rent-a-guru.de> Subject: Re: aux/depend To: 9fans Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:02:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Sep12.112544edt.45463@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "presotto@plan9.att.com" at Sep 12, 95 11:16:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2847 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > We run one of the netlib sites. Netlib is a library of > free software, papers, and other useful stuff mostly > of a mathematical nature. Each directory in netlib > contains a .depend file that lists what symbols are > exported from each file in the directory and the > external symbols which that file references. What brings up a related question. I wonder why Plan 9 still uses the special `ar'-format for object module libraries. If ordinary directories were used instead, there would be no need to remember the syntax of `ar'-commands for maintaining libraries and it would also simplify updating libraries with `mk'. I considered the idea to use directories for object modules instead of archives more than once under Unix (especially after long fights with the shortcomings of the special rules for updating libraries with `make' :-/). Sometimes I wondered(*) why so much special stuff was put into `make', instead of making `ld'(**) recognize a directory as object module library. Like in an archive there could even be a `__.SYMDEF'-File in a directory to speed up the search. *: As so often, the answer might be `for historical reasons', another answer might be that archives did use the disk space more efficiently in the ancient days. **: There is no need to modify `ld' internally to implement that. Some time ago I wrote an awk-script to generate the file arguments for `ld' based on the `nm'-output of the `.o'-files. In that way I circumvented the clumsy library update through `make'-rules.) > Depend mirrors the nelib directory structure. In each > directory appears a file for each symbol exported by > a program (as listed in .depend). Reading one of these > files yields the transitive closure of all the files > needed to resolve that symbol. > It's a way of giving someone what they asked for instead > of the whole contents of the directory. The mechanism described above looks very promising and powerful, because it is more general than a special case for `ld'. What I always missed under Unix are `true libraries for interpreted languages'. E.g., it would be nice if a number of (private or public) `standard functions' for shell- or awk-scripts could be placed into separate files and have all the required files automatically included in scripts as they are finally executed. A description of the dependencies between the files, combined with a transitive closure, both much like described above, would be necessary to pull in exactly the required files from the library (but no more!). To summarize: I think the idea behind "aux/depend" is well worth to be considered in more detail, because it not only could help to get rid of `ar'-archives and their special treatment in `mk' and `ld', but would also help to have a general library features available for all interpreted languages. --Martin >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 01:09:43 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45655>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:35:28 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45580>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:22:00 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:50:58 -0400 Subject: Does Plan 9 use graphics hardware Message-Id: <95Sep12.232200edt.45580@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Does Plan 9 use hardware graphics accelerators? If not, does the design >allow efficient use of graphics accelerator hardware or does it require >a dumb frame buffer? It doesn't support such accelerators, but there are several ways to consider adding support. One might hide the interface between the existing /dev/bitblt etc. files, so all programs can use the accelerator on that hardware. One might add new interface files, /dev/graphics for example, that interested programs could look for to see if the device is available, falling to the old way if the open fails. The important point is, if possible and reasonable, to make the interface available via files so that remote programs can access the graphical hardware. -rob >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 01:42:45 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45588>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 01:09:12 -0400 Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com ([131.107.1.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45692>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:05:39 -0400 Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA20046; Tue, 12 Sep 95 21:47:52 -0700 Message-Id: <9509130447.AA20046@netmail2.microsoft.com> Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Tue, 12 Sep 95 21:47:52 PDT X-Received: from PRX-01-HUB by nax-01-hub with recvsmtp ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 03:41:17 GMT X-Received: from syd-02-msg by prx-01-hub with receive; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 03:41:14 GMT X-Msmail-Message-Id: B686A336 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: B686A336 From: Jonathon Tidswell To: 9fans Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:11:08 -0400 Subject: security model X-Msxmtid: syd-02-msg950913021637MTP[01.00.00]000000a1-11201 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Is there a document/paper that collects the various aspects of the Plan 9 security model into one place ? [ Or even a series thereof. ] TIA JonT -- Jonathon Tidswell 65 Epping Rd North Ryde phone: +61 2 870 2776 NSW 2113 Australia fax: +61 2 870 2355 I think my thoughts are my own, and I believe my writings are too. The following is Microsoft's writing: The opinions expressed in this message are my own personal views and do not reflect the official views of Microsoft Corporation. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 02:47:32 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45520>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:12:56 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45600>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:35:27 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:15:10 -0400 Subject: re: Panic: Lock Loop On Inserting Disk2.vd. Message-Id: <95Sep13.003527edt.45600@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Well, I looked and I can't see any way to get there from here, can't happen... No consolation, I know. I'm not familiar with the HP Vectra, what processor is it and what is the type of the DEC ethernet card, is it a DMA card? It looks like someone overwrote some memory used for a lock. I can only suggest the usual things, BIOS defaults, turn off any shadowing, etc. If it's a DMA ethernet card, pull it. --jim >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 04:46:43 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45545>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:35:44 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45542>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:35:28 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:53:03 -0400 Subject: re: aux/depend Message-Id: <95Sep13.043528edt.45542@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>I screwed up. It shouldn't have been on the release, i.e., its >>usefulness is limited. not a bit of it: it's always good to have more examples of interesting or even curious uses of 9P servers. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 05:08:09 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45551>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:57:26 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45521>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:57:08 -0400 Received: from sympc143.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08849; Wed, 13 Sep 95 09:55:54 BST Message-Id: <9509130855.AA08849@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Communications To: 9fans Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:55:53 -0400 Subject: First release of NCR SCSI driver code Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans This is available in ftp://ftp.cs.york.ac.uk/pub/plan9/ngr/dist >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 05:22:54 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45542>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:14:52 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45521>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:14:37 -0400 Received: from sympc143.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09062; Wed, 13 Sep 95 10:13:23 BST Message-Id: <9509130913.AA09062@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Communications To: 9fans Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 06:13:22 -0400 Subject: Re: First release of NCR SCSI driver code Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Sorry. I meant ftp://ftp.cs.york.ac.uk/pub/plan9/ngr >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 05:48:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45559>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:36:42 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45521>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:36:21 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:47:35 -0400 Subject: re: Panic: Lock Loop On Inserting Disk2.vd. Message-Id: <95Sep13.053621edt.45521@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans i've seen this on two machines that had incorrect BIOS advanced/chipset parameters (including the one i'm using now). the BIOS default parameters were definitely wrong for my configuration -- they worked, but assumed rather slow memory -- but my first attempts were too optimistic the system got all the way through termrc but blew up with a lock loop when starting all my windows in 8½. i suspect that the lock word flushed from the cache didn't make it to memory because the memory write time allowance was too low. i added another wait state and it has been fine since. the little handbooks that come with the motherboard rarely give enough information to allow you to work out the correct values to use. the m/b i'm using now comes with better documentation than most, but it still wasn't enough. proper computers are designed to support a particular combination of things, with fairly tight limits; the average PC motherboard and chipset must accept almost anything, hence all the options. i don't suppose there is a document on the net somewhere about these settings, written by someone who knows? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 05:57:45 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45521>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:49:17 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45560>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:49:01 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:55:02 -0400 Subject: re: Does Plan 9 use graphics hardware Message-Id: <95Sep13.054901edt.45560@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >> Does Plan 9 use hardware graphics accelerators? If not, does the design >> allow efficient use of graphics accelerator hardware or does it require >> a dumb frame buffer? and they rarely come dumber than the PC design... what an architecture. /sys/src/9/indigo3k/screen.[ch] shows one way to make some use of an accelerator behind the /dev/bitblt interface. i adapted it on the old release to produce a version of devvga.c that would use some of the S3 accelerator functions. it still had some mistakes in it when i put it aside along with the S3 (it was old enough to have a proprietary local bus). the DX4/100 and ET4000/W32 are fast enough for me now that i haven't bothered to look at it again. on the PC, there's possibly more scope for improvement for everything by changing the way it handles the stupid byte ordering problem (PC vs. display). i installed a linux system yesterday and although i'm prepared to believe that X11's ET4000/W32p driver gains a lot by using the accelerator features, Plan 9 feels snappier: not because it draws a new window to the screen faster, but because the window (and its contents) start so much faster. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 09:10:09 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45587>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:01:29 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45586>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:01:12 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:52:00 -0400 Subject: Re: aux/depend Message-Id: <95Sep13.090112edt.45586@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I surely wouldn't mind seeing ar bite the dust. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 10:23:20 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45679>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:12:03 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45677>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:11:31 -0400 Received: from uucp5.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzhae14881; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:11:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:11:18 -0400 From: tbcc!bwc@uunet.uu.net Message-Id: Received: from tbcc.UUCP by uucp5.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:11:19 -0400 To: <9fans> Subject: Can't cpu(1) to my cpu/auth server. Apparently-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I get the following: term% cpu -h p9auth cpu: can't authenticate: p9auth: can't connect to AS What have I missed? Brantley Coile bwc@tbcc.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 13 13:24:32 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45723>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:09:46 -0400 Received: from mytus.blitz.com ([204.32.90.161]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45739>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:09:21 -0400 Received: from mytus.blitz.com (pace@localhost.opustel.com [127.0.0.1]) by mytus.blitz.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA15514 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:05:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199509131705.NAA15514@mytus.blitz.com> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Can't cpu(1) to my cpu/auth server. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:11:18 EDT." Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:05:38 -0400 From: Pace Willisson Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >cpu: can't authenticate: p9auth: can't connect to AS Are you on a subnet of a "natural" network? I think I made this work when I added an extra ipnet entry in /lib/ndb/local for my parent class C network. Install made an entry like this: ipnet=blitz ip=204.32.90.32 ipmask=255.255.255.224 ipgw=204.32.90.33 fs=etti.blitz.com auth=kamar then, I added ipnet=blitzopus ip=204.32.90.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=204.32.90.33 fs=etti.blitz.com auth=kamar Pace >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 14 04:39:37 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45857>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:24:35 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45855>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:24:14 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:23:32 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 20:50:16 -0400 From: "ozan s. yigit" Message-ID: Organization: The Electric Skillet Subject: 9fs related work? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans has there been any work with 9fs beyond the labs? i would appreciate pointers any reports and related refs. [i am aware of the basic comparison article by welch [1] but that is it.] thanks... oz --- [1] Brent Welch A Comparison of Three Distributed File System Architectures: Vnode, Sprite and Plan 9 Computing Systems, 7(2), 175-199, spring 1994. MIT Press -- no wise fish would go anywhere | electric: oz@nexus.yorku.ca without a porpoise. -mock turtle | or oz@sni.ca [416] 449 9449 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 14 04:53:35 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45865>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:42:43 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45856>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:38:45 -0400 Received: from sympc143.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15322; Thu, 14 Sep 95 09:33:18 BST Message-Id: <9509140833.AA15322@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Communications To: 9fans Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:33:16 -0400 Subject: NCR53C8XX SCSI latest - how to install the demo Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans 1. The files have moved to ftp.cs.york.ac.uk/pub/plan9/ncr/src 2. They are now diffs from the CD-ROM, including the latest updates from plan9.att.com 3. ftp.cs.york.ac.uk/pub/plan9/ncr/9free contains 3 files and a readme which should allow people with NCR SCSI only PCs to install the demo version. Good luck >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 14 10:22:16 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45887>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:08:29 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45899>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:08:03 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:58:58 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:23:42 -0400 From: Frank Hofmann Message-ID: <439acu$1oe@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany References: Subject: Re: SCSI with NCR53C810 Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Lambert Joshua B. (jlambert@uvarovite.ESd.ornl.GOV) wrote: : I would also like to try out the disks referenced here since I have a NCR SCSI : too. : Josh Same goes for me. Only NCR810, SCSI disk, adding an IDE disk would smash my boot configuration, so I won't downgrade to IDE. But still I'd like to try plan9. Thanks, Frank >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 14 14:04:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45469>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:47:35 -0400 Received: from innergate.sni.co.uk ([193.116.1.4]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45474>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:42:07 -0400 Received: from sps.siemens.co.uk (trumpton.sps.siemens.co.uk [193.119.236.2]) by innergate.sni.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA20905 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:53:11 GMT From: ralphc@sps.siemens.co.uk Received: from brains.sps.siemens.co.uk by sps.siemens.co.uk (4.1/SPS-MAIN) id AA02798; Thu, 14 Sep 95 18:35:16 BST Received: by brains.sps.siemens.co.uk (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19453; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:36:24 +0100 Message-Id: <9509141736.AA19453@brains.sps.siemens.co.uk> To: 9fans Cc: ralphc@sps.siemens.co.uk Subject: Re: Panic: Lock Loop On Inserting Disk2.vd. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 95 23:15:10 EDT." <95Sep13.003527edt.45600@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:36:24 -0400 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans jmk wrote: > Well, I looked and I can't see any way to get there from here, can't happen... > No consolation, I know. Thanks for the effort. > I'm not familiar with the HP Vectra, what processor is it and what is the type > of the DEC ethernet card, is it a DMA card? A very plain 386. > It looks like someone overwrote some memory used for a lock. I can only > suggest the usual things, BIOS defaults, turn off any shadowing, etc. Yes, that was it. After hunting around for a few days I managed to get some documentation on the motherboard. Flip a switch to turn off its `optional ROMs' which a service report said stopped SCO Xenix 386 and AutoCad 386 from running and it read the second installation disk fine. forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk wrote: > i don't suppose there is a document on the net somewhere about these > settings, written by someone who knows? I found two things that might be useful to others. The first is the comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.*_Frequently_Asked_Questions that had an awful lot of information in, just nothing that particularly happened to cover my case. And the second was a set of utilities for mucking around with CMOS settings and the like; a pointer to the FTP site is in the FAQ: Some 286 machines don't have a CMOS configuration menu in the BIOS. They require a software CMOS setup program. If you don't have the Installation and/or Diagnostics diskette for your machine, you can try using a shareware/freeware program. Try looking in: oak.oakland.edu:/SimTel/msdos/at or ftp.uu.net:/systems/msdos/simtel/at I got these utilities but didn't have to use them in the end because proper documentation turned up, but they might help someone else in the same boat. Many thanks to all who gave help. My next problem is adding the HP VGA Board (D1180A) to the vgadb. It has a Paradise controller on it. 640x480x1 works fine, 640x480x8 results in the display wrapping into about six parts on the screen with a big black box in the middle. (If anyone has already done this can they get it touch.) Is there a way to leave the message telling me that the VGA card isn't in the database on the screen. Alternatively, is there a way of regenerating the message once booted? Ralph. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ralph Corderoy. ralphc@sps.siemens.co.uk. Phone: UK 01202-408769. Siemens Plessey Systems, Grange Road, Christchurch, Dorset. BH23 4JE >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 14 22:07:22 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45554>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:54:56 -0400 Received: from tigger ([204.187.66.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45553>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:54:39 -0400 Received: by tigger (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA283109797; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:49:57 -0400 From: Henry Baragar Subject: new subsject: Paradise VGA controller To: 9fans Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:49:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9509141736.AA19453@brains.sps.siemens.co.uk> from "ralphc@sps.siemens.co.uk" at Sep 14, 95 01:36:24 pm Organization: Instantiated Software Inc. Phone: (613) 723-2656 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1104 Message-Id: <95Sep14.215439edt.45553@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [ stuff deleted ] > Many thanks to all who gave help. My next problem is adding the HP > VGA Board (D1180A) to the vgadb. It has a Paradise controller on it. > 640x480x1 works fine, 640x480x8 results in the display wrapping into > about six parts on the screen with a big black box in the middle. (If > anyone has already done this can they get it touch.) Is there a way to > leave the message telling me that the VGA card isn't in the database on > the screen. Alternatively, is there a way of regenerating the message > once booted? > I have a Compaq Elite laptop with a Paradise controller on it and experience similar problems. I would also be interested in seeing this chip supported. I was considering writing a controller for the paradise chip as an exercise in learning the Plan9 development environment, but I have just started a new job that likely will not leave me much free time. However, if everybody else is busier than I am, then I will reconsider. Henry (henry@instantiated.on.ca) Quotes from Samuel Goldwyn, immigrant turned famous movie producer: Keep a stiff upper chin. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 14 22:23:42 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45555>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:17:20 -0400 Received: from tigger ([204.187.66.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45551>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:17:04 -0400 Received: by tigger (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA283631156; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:12:36 -0400 From: Henry Baragar Subject: Plan9 tutorial To: 9fans Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:12:36 -0400 Organization: Instantiated Software Inc. Phone: (613) 723-2656 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 850 Message-Id: <95Sep14.221704edt.45551@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans As an experienced Unix user, I am constantly surprised by utilities that seem to be missing in Plan 9 (I know, Plan 9 is NOT Unix). That is, I need to learn the Plan 9 way (and break a few Unix habits) in order to raise my level of comfort with Plan 9. Although the Plan 9 documents provide plenty of technical detail, they don't provide as much "common usage" as I would like. Any way, I was wondering if some one from the Computing Science Research Center at Bell Labs could put on a Plan 9 tutorial. From the activity on this mailing list (and news group) I think that you could get a good turn out, particularly if you held it at the up-coming Usenix conference in January. Henry henry@instantiated.on.ca When you stay on the tracks, ignoring the facts, you can't blame the wreck on the train. -- from the song, "You Can't Blame . . " >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 14 23:12:07 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45558>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:02:06 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45551>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:01:50 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:40:51 -0400 Subject: re: new subsject: Paradise VGA controller Message-Id: <95Sep14.230150edt.45551@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I posted something earlier this week about how to take those first, tentative steps down the slippery slope to VGA madness. To do any more than 640x480x[18] you need the datasheets for the parts on the card: the VGA chip, the RAMDAC and the clock-generator. You can often get by without any RAMDAC programming for resolutions up to 1024x768. Sometimes there's more than one way for the VGA and clock-generator to interact and although VGA cards from different manufacturers may contain the same major components, they may require different initialisation sequences. That's why I like the S3 Trio64 and Cirrus CL-GD54xx GUI chips, they contain the RAMDAC and clock-generator too. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 15 09:48:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45597>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:34:56 -0400 Received: from lethe.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.244.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45594>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:34:39 -0400 Received: (from stephen@localhost) by lethe.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA16795 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:33:34 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:33:34 -0400 From: Stephen Gallimore Message-Id: <199509151433.OAA16795@lethe.leeds.ac.uk> To: 9fans Subject: re: new subsject: Paradise VGA controller Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >I posted something earlier this week about how to take those first, tentative steps >down the slippery slope to VGA madness. To do any more than 640x480x[18] you need the Sadly I missed your earlier post, I don't suppose you still have a copy handy that you could send to me ? I have a Diamond Stealth 64 V1.14 and a CTX1451 monitor which is giving me problems. I can get a good image at 800x600x1 but the screen flickers just too much for it to be usable - It makes me feel sea sick ! 800x600x8 shows the same symptoms as the chap with the paradise card, i.e. 4 or 5 ghost images in the last 1/5th of the screen of what is approximately in the center of the display. 1024x768x1 just causes the monitor to loose sync. The monitor specs seem to match those specified for multisync65, but.... I do have the H and V sync timings for the monitor but have no idea how to use those to modify the H and V parameters in vgadb to try and improve matters. I am also a bit worried that the older version of the Diamond card that I have is just not compatible with the v2.02 driver provided with the plan9 demo disks. any help or pointers to docs on the matter would be most appreciated. stephen BTW:- why doesn't sam clean its window up properly on exit, acme and mothra do so, it was like this in the previous release too - i would have thought it would have been tidied up by now. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 15 10:12:53 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34058>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:27:57 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34059>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:27:05 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06273; Fri, 15 Sep 95 14:26:42 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17956; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:25:58 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01470; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:25:54 +0100 Message-Id: <9509151325.AA01470@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: terminal not sending auth requests X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:25:53 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 768 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've been trying to boot a terminal using u9fs as the root server, and Pace's IL implementation for the auth server. However, the terminal doesn't appear to be making any attempt to contact the auth server. I suspect that because the root is a TCP address, and the auth server is an IL address, the IL system isn't getting configured. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me, because a quick glance at the code reveals that the tcp and il config() routines both do the same thing. However, if I give an il!a.b.c.d address for root, and w.x.y.z for auth, then the terminal does an arp for the auth address. If I change the root address to tcp!a.b.c.d, then the arp isn't attempted, and the terminal immediately complains that it can't contact the auth server. steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 15 12:06:00 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45637>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:48:34 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45660>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:44:22 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:45:01 -0400 Subject: re: terminal not sending auth requests Message-Id: <95Sep15.114422edt.45660@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The thing that doesn't get configured is a way to call the auth server when the boot method is tcp. It doesn't need the auth server to talk to u9fs since u9fs uses ruser() to accept or reject. However, if you log in as anything either than 'none' then the kernel tries to check whether your key/password works. If you want to use u9fs as your main file system and have an auth server you can call up via il, you could change in /sys/src/9/boot/ip.c: int authtcp(void) { return -1; } to int authtcp(void) { return authil(); } I'ld assumed using tcp for file service implied no auth server, i.e., that you were logging in as 'none' to get Plan 9 installed and would never really run that way (u9fs isn't the worlds fastest file server by a long shot). Bad assumption especially not that there's a Unix auth server. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 15 12:35:39 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45450>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:24:42 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45629>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:18:20 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09103; Fri, 15 Sep 95 17:13:34 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA18169; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:13:31 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07345; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:13:27 +0100 Message-Id: <9509151613.AA07345@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans Subject: Re: terminal not sending auth requests In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:45:01 EDT." <95Sep15.114422edt.45660@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:13:26 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 518 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > I'ld assumed using tcp for file service implied no auth server, i.e., > that you were logging in as 'none' to get Plan 9 installed and would > never really run that way (u9fs isn't the worlds fastest file server > by a long shot). Bad assumption especially not that there's a Unix > auth server. well, i'm hoping that someone will take Pace's IL server and stick a 9P server underneath. :-) Perhaps that might be faster than u9fs..? Either way, it should fit in with the scheme of things a little better. steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 15 13:34:35 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34067>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:16:04 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34064>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:11:59 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:22:07 -0400 subject: faster u9fs Message-Id: <95Sep15.131159edt.34064@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans if your unix tcp/ip implementation has the TCP_NODELAY option, try enabling it in u9fs: int one = 1; setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_TCP, TCP_NODELAY, &one, sizeof(one)); you'll have to scour the heap of include files in /usr/include to find the one with the TCP_NODELAY option in it. i found it made a difference on our rs/6000 systems. 9P uses many small reply messages, which are subject to the delay. (the system waits to see if more data turns up to make the packet really worthwhile, but in this case it just makes it less responsive.) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 15 20:32:49 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78359>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:10:50 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78358>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:10:34 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:03:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Panic trap booting plan 9 Message-Id: <95Sep15.201034edt.78358@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > panic:crda write 16382 to 16384 This is from the DP8390 part of the NE2000 driver and indicates an assertion botch in setting up the on-chip DMA. Unfortunately I won't be able to get at the datasheet until Monday, my recollections of the DP8390 DMA are hazy. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 15 22:59:19 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34068>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:24:14 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34064>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:23:32 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:14:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Panic trap booting plan 9 Message-Id: <95Sep15.222332edt.34064@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > panic:crda write 16382 to 16384 i had a related problem with one (out of 50) ``ne2000 compatible'' cards. it was very compatible ... here are some changes that might help, but they are not definitive. diff old /sys/src/boot/pc/ether8390.c 342d341 < 351c350 < ulong dp8390, crda; --- > ulong dp8390; 369,370d367 < * This is straight from the DP8390[12D] datasheet, hence < * the initial set up for read. 372,377c369,373 < crda = to-1-ctlr->card.bit16; < dp8390outb(dp8390+Rbcr0, (len+1+ctlr->card.bit16) & 0xFF); < dp8390outb(dp8390+Rbcr1, ((len+1+ctlr->card.bit16)>>8) & 0xFF); < dp8390outb(dp8390+Rsar0, crda & 0xFF); < dp8390outb(dp8390+Rsar1, (crda>>8) & 0xFF); < dp8390outb(dp8390+Cr, Page0|RDMAread|Sta); --- > dp8390outb(dp8390+Rsar0, to & 0xFF); > dp8390outb(dp8390+Rsar1, (to>>8) & 0xFF); > dp8390outb(dp8390+Rbcr0, len & 0xFF); > dp8390outb(dp8390+Rbcr1, (len>>8) & 0xFF); > dp8390outb(dp8390+Cr, Page0|RDMAwrite|Sta); 379,397d374 < for(;;){ < crda = dp8390inb(dp8390+Crda0); < crda |= dp8390inb(dp8390+Crda1)<<8; < if(crda == to){ < /* < * Start the remote DMA write and make sure < * the registers are correct. < */ < dp8390outb(dp8390+Cr, Page0|RDMAwrite|Sta); < < crda = dp8390inb(dp8390+Crda0); < crda |= dp8390inb(dp8390+Crda1)<<8; < if(crda != to) < panic("crda write %d to %d\n", crda, to); < < break; < } < } < 413d389 < 442d417 < 581,582c556 < while(isr = dp8390inb(dp8390+Isr)){ < --- > while(isr = (dp8390inb(dp8390+Isr) & (Cnte|Ovwe|Txee|Rxee|Ptxe|Prxe))){ ---------------------- diff old /sys/src/9/pc/ether8390.c 353c353 < ulong dp8390, crda; --- > ulong dp8390; 371,372d370 < * This is straight from the DP8390[12D] datasheet, hence < * the initial set up for read. 374,398c372,376 < crda = to-1-ctlr->card.bit16; < dp8390outb(dp8390+Rbcr0, (len+1+ctlr->card.bit16) & 0xFF); < dp8390outb(dp8390+Rbcr1, ((len+1+ctlr->card.bit16)>>8) & 0xFF); < dp8390outb(dp8390+Rsar0, crda & 0xFF); < dp8390outb(dp8390+Rsar1, (crda>>8) & 0xFF); < dp8390outb(dp8390+Cr, Page0|RDMAread|Sta); < < for(;;){ < crda = dp8390inb(dp8390+Crda0); < crda |= dp8390inb(dp8390+Crda1)<<8; < if(crda == to){ < /* < * Start the remote DMA write and make sure < * the registers are correct. < */ < dp8390outb(dp8390+Cr, Page0|RDMAwrite|Sta); < < crda = dp8390inb(dp8390+Crda0); < crda |= dp8390inb(dp8390+Crda1)<<8; < if(crda != to) < panic("crda write %d to %d\n", crda, to); < < break; < } < } --- > dp8390outb(dp8390+Rsar0, to & 0xFF); > dp8390outb(dp8390+Rsar1, (to>>8) & 0xFF); > dp8390outb(dp8390+Rbcr0, len & 0xFF); > dp8390outb(dp8390+Rbcr1, (len>>8) & 0xFF); > dp8390outb(dp8390+Cr, Page0|RDMAwrite|Sta); >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 11:18:06 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78378>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:07:50 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78376>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:05:31 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:53:02 -0400 Subject: dirfstat on tcp/udp/il connections is always 0 Message-Id: <95Sep16.110531edt.78376@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Since dirfstat returns the size of the next message queued for reading for pipes, it would be nice if the same happened for IP protocols. The following changes make it work. Note that dirstat will still return 0 (the stream gets bound to the fd on open...). -------------------------------------------- In port/stream.c, replace streamstat() with: -------------------------------------------- ulong streamlen(Chan *c) { Stream *s; Queue *q; Block *bp; ulong n; s = c->stream; n = 0; if(s) { q = RD(s->procq); if(q->flag & QHUNGUP) error(Ehungup); lock(q); for(bp=q->first; bp; bp = bp->next){ n += BLEN(bp); if(bp->flags&S_DELIM) break; } unlock(q); } return n; } void streamstat(Chan *c, char *db, char *name, long perm) { Dir dir; devdir(c, c->qid, name, streamlen(c), eve, perm, &dir); convD2M(&dir, db); } -------------------------------------------- In port/net.c -------------------------------------------- % diff net.c $old/net.c 93c93 < devdir(c, q, "data", streamlen(c), o, perm, dp); --- > devdir(c, q, "data", 0, o, perm, dp); -------------------------------------------- In port/portfns.h -------------------------------------------- % diff portfns.h $old/portfns.h 267d266 < ulong streamlen(Chan*); >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 11:45:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78379>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:37:09 -0400 Received: from postman.ncube.com ([134.242.8.47]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78377>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:33:45 -0400 Received: from garcon.ncube.com by postman.ncube.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11000; Sat, 16 Sep 95 08:31:31 PDT Received: from pejs.ncube.com by garcon.ncube.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12320; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:31:29 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:31:29 -0400 From: sch@postman.ncube.com (Steve Hemminger) Message-Id: <9509161531.AA12320@garcon.ncube.com> To: 9fans Subject: Re: dirfstat on tcp/udp/il connections is always 0 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your change is almost line for line what I did! We must think alike. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 15:08:50 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78374>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:00:46 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78375>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:00:30 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:00:26 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:06:32 -0400 From: Michael Carmody Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: installation hangs up Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello All, I ftp'd the 4 diskette version to try and my install process is hanging when I try to boot the first time from the hard disk. I have 2 scsi disks. I have OS/2 and Windows95 (Yeh I know) and OS/2's Boot Manager on the first drive. There is are 20 megabytes of free space on the disk. The second drive hasn't been partitioned yet. The plan9 directory and all subdirectories are made ok, but when I remove the floppy, enter c:\plan9\b all I get is: Boot device: boot from: Anything I enter after boot from: just gets another boot from: Is the boot process confused as to what hard drive to look at? Here's my plan9.ini mouseport=0 monitor=multisync65 vgasize=1024x768x8 scsi0=type=aha1542 port=0x334 (It's a BusLogic BT445C, dip switch=334) audio=type=sb16 port=0x220 irq=5 dma=5 console=cga (not sure what that meant, other options were com1 and com2) bootfile=sd!0!/plan9/9dos rootdir=/plan9 I created the plan9 directory in DOS mode under Windows95. Any help would be appreciated. Mike mcarmody@netcom.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 15:19:41 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78378>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:09:10 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78375>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:08:01 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:00:49 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:04:35 -0400 From: martin Message-ID: <43dicj$s4o@earth.superlink.net> Organization: SuperNet, Inc., NJ, USA (908-828-8988) Subject: Question about VGA modes Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have got the impression recently from a couple of postings that the 640x480x8 mode is supported on alll VGA hardware - in other words, that aux/vga doesn't need to know anything about the card (other than the fact that it's VGA) to do 640x480x8. I wonder if anyone can cofirm or deny this? On reason that leads me to doubt this is that said mode requires >64k of memory to run, implying that bank switching is necessary - something that is card dependent. Any takers? Martin Harriss martin@mars.superlink.net >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 15:36:08 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78383>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:25:17 -0400 Received: from idpentium.idsoftware.com ([192.246.40.9]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78379>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:25:01 -0400 Received: from idnewt by idpentium.idsoftware.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA17441; Sat, 16 Sep 95 14:22:49 -0500 Received: by idnewt.idsoftware.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0S) id AA03528; Sat, 16 Sep 95 14:22:56 -0500 Message-Id: <9509161922.AA03528@idnewt.idsoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v118.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.3) From: John Carmack Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:22:54 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: Question about VGA modes References: <43dicj$s4o@earth.superlink.net> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >I have got the impression recently from a couple of postings >that the 640x480x8 mode is supported on alll VGA hardware - in = other >words, that aux/vga doesn't need to know anything about the card >(other than the fact that it's VGA) to do 640x480x8. >I wonder if anyone can cofirm or deny this? On reason that leads = me >to doubt this is that said mode requires >64k of memory to run, >implying that bank switching is necessary - something that is = card >dependent. Not true. 640x480x4 is the highest standard VGA resolution. John Carmack Id Software >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 15:53:19 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78379>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:42:09 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78389>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:35:38 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:25:08 -0400 Subject: re: Question about VGA modes Message-Id: <95Sep16.153538edt.78389@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans 640x480x8 is an extended mode. The ones that are generic VGA are 640x480x{1,2,4}. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 15:20:26 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78378>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:09:10 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78375>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:08:01 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:00:49 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:04:35 -0400 From: martin Message-ID: <43dicj$s4o@earth.superlink.net> Organization: SuperNet, Inc., NJ, USA (908-828-8988) Subject: Question about VGA modes Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have got the impression recently from a couple of postings that the 640x480x8 mode is supported on alll VGA hardware - in other words, that aux/vga doesn't need to know anything about the card (other than the fact that it's VGA) to do 640x480x8. I wonder if anyone can cofirm or deny this? On reason that leads me to doubt this is that said mode requires >64k of memory to run, implying that bank switching is necessary - something that is card dependent. Any takers? Martin Harriss martin@mars.superlink.net >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 23:10:04 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78399>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:01:31 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78397>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:01:15 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:54:33 -0400 Subject: re: installation hangs up Message-Id: <95Sep16.230115edt.78397@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans yes, the boot process is confused by the presence of the os/2 boot manager and we hope to have a fixed set of discs out soon. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 15:10:52 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78374>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:00:46 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78375>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:00:30 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:00:26 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:06:32 -0400 From: Michael Carmody Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: installation hangs up Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello All, I ftp'd the 4 diskette version to try and my install process is hanging when I try to boot the first time from the hard disk. I have 2 scsi disks. I have OS/2 and Windows95 (Yeh I know) and OS/2's Boot Manager on the first drive. There is are 20 megabytes of free space on the disk. The second drive hasn't been partitioned yet. The plan9 directory and all subdirectories are made ok, but when I remove the floppy, enter c:\plan9\b all I get is: Boot device: boot from: Anything I enter after boot from: just gets another boot from: Is the boot process confused as to what hard drive to look at? Here's my plan9.ini mouseport=0 monitor=multisync65 vgasize=1024x768x8 scsi0=type=aha1542 port=0x334 (It's a BusLogic BT445C, dip switch=334) audio=type=sb16 port=0x220 irq=5 dma=5 console=cga (not sure what that meant, other options were com1 and com2) bootfile=sd!0!/plan9/9dos rootdir=/plan9 I created the plan9 directory in DOS mode under Windows95. Any help would be appreciated. Mike mcarmody@netcom.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 23:17:12 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78397>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:09:04 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78395>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:01:14 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: re: Question about VGA modes Message-Id: <95Sep16.230114edt.78395@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans you're right, you need to know how the banks are switched. the notes i posted were extracted from an old example i had where i knew the vga chip but not how to programme the clock. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 16 15:20:26 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78378>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:09:10 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78375>; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:08:01 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:00:49 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:04:35 -0400 From: martin Message-ID: <43dicj$s4o@earth.superlink.net> Organization: SuperNet, Inc., NJ, USA (908-828-8988) Subject: Question about VGA modes Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have got the impression recently from a couple of postings that the 640x480x8 mode is supported on alll VGA hardware - in other words, that aux/vga doesn't need to know anything about the card (other than the fact that it's VGA) to do 640x480x8. I wonder if anyone can cofirm or deny this? On reason that leads me to doubt this is that said mode requires >64k of memory to run, implying that bank switching is necessary - something that is card dependent. Any takers? Martin Harriss martin@mars.superlink.net >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 18 07:26:57 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78377>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:11:48 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78374>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:11:31 -0400 Received: from sympc143.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13267; Mon, 18 Sep 95 12:09:32 BST Message-Id: <9509181109.AA13267@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Communications To: 9fans Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:09:30 -0400 Subject: CD-ROM Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans What happened to the music which was to occupy the rest of the CD? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 18 11:19:52 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78452>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:03:41 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78423>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:03:22 -0400 Received: from reynaldo.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.96]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16488(6)>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:02:35 PDT Received: from localhost by reynaldo.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <34952>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:02:27 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans cc: kerch@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: CD-ROM In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 95 05:09:30 PDT." <9509181109.AA13267@symbionics.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:02:25 -0400 From: Berry Kercheval Message-Id: <95Sep18.080227pdt.34952@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>>"Nigel Roles" said: > What happened to the music which was to occupy the rest of the CD? After everything was arranged, permissions granted and everything, the AT&T lawyers balked and said it couldn't be done. At least that is what Rob told me when I was trying to get Severe Tire Damage onto the CD.... --berry Berry Kercheval :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 18 11:40:48 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78423>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:23:15 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78482>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:22:08 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189461>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 17:01:37 +0200 Received: from styx by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05456; Mon, 18 Sep 95 17:01:22 +0200 Message-Id: <9509181501.AA05456@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by styx (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA11740; Mon, 18 Sep 95 17:01:14 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Hans-Peter Bischof Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:01:12 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: PC video problems References: <95Sep11.162021edt.45564@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans We found the follwing unhappy things in the new edition. 1. fcallconv() didn't like the new 9P structure. 2. The man pages for the commands swap and rx are a little bit incorrect. man swap: Syntax: swap file cmd swap: Syntax: swap path man rx: Syntax: rx [-n] .... cmd rx: Syntax: rx [-e] .... -hp >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 18 12:32:59 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78379>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 12:22:51 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78377>; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 12:22:34 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 17:22:04 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 06:36:31 -0400 From: "ozan s. yigit" Message-ID: Organization: The Electric Skillet References: Subject: ref [9fs related work?] Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans somebody asked for a net-pointer to welch comparison paper mentioned in my previous post, so here it is: ftp://parcftp.xerox.comp/pub/sprite/welch/compsys2.ps oz -- no wise fish would go anywhere | electric: oz@nexus.yorku.ca without a porpoise. -mock turtle | or oz@sni.ca [416] 449 9449 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 01:28:09 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78488>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 01:20:39 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78425>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 01:20:23 -0400 From: dmr@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 00:40:45 -0400 Subject: Re: CD-ROM music Message-Id: <95Sep19.012023edt.78425@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ... what happened to the music? To explain and expand a bit: a group next door to us has algorithms that do compression of audio signals using ideas collectively known as PAC (perceptual audio coding). They are able to take (e.g.) 44KHz CD stereo and compress it by a factor of about 12 with virtually no perceptive loss. Ken Thompson and Sean Dorward helped them with code-smashing and system design to make the algorithms more practical in use. This work was independent of Plan 9. Our hope was that the Plan 9 release would not only advertise this technology (on behalf of the acoustics folk next door) but also provide added play-value to Plan 9 by including not only the whole Plan 9 distribution, but also several hours of CD-quality music on the one CD-ROM. The two problems that developed were that the people who want to sell or license the PAC technology began to feel uneasy about releasing the algorithms, and also that the lawyers began to feel uneasy about getting into music publishing. All the material we had did come with letters saying "I release this," but they began to think about what would happen if someone else came along and said "You didn't have rights to release it, it's my tune." We were disappointed at the time, but as things worked out it's probably just as well. We spent enough time working intellectual-property issues on our own turf without taking the battle onto others'. (My favorite example: Rob is on good terms with the guy who owns the rights to the Ed Wood films, including Plan 9 From Outer Space. It turned out his rights didn't quite include using movie publicity stills to advertise operating systems. To use a picture of Bela Lugosi in conjunction with Plan 9™ the operating system, we would have to negotiate with Lugosi's estate. How much time should one spend on this?) Speaking of play-value, has anyone gotten themselves far enough out of VGA hell to try the sky catalog or the geographic/road databases? Dennis >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 03:28:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78499>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 03:21:33 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78498>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 03:21:14 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16676; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:18:53 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509190718.AA16676@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Multi-Tech ISI card To: 9fans Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 03:51:01 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello, I'm talking to Multi-Tech to get information about the ISI card (a serial card capable of much higher throughputs than a 16550) to write a driver. Is else doing it, is, am I reinventing the wheel? Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** (c)1995 by the author. This message cannot be transferred to the Microsoft(tm) Network. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 03:36:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78502>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 03:29:24 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78497>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 03:28:10 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16672; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:17:18 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509190717.AA16672@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: CD-ROM music To: 9fans Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 03:49:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Sep19.012023edt.78425@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "dmr@plan9.att.com" at Sep 19, 95 00:40:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Speaking of play-value, has anyone gotten themselves far enough > out of VGA hell to try the sky catalog or the geographic/road > databases? Yes, I have tried them :-) The bin/aux/mapd program wasn't included in binary form (at least for 386, didn't check the others). After compiling it, I tried "mapdemo" and some of the maps weren't produced. Sometimes it said "Cannot mount; no resources" but I think it's a memory problem. (I have 8 MB but with a 40 MB partition - edited "prep" to have a big partition). Sometimes the program crashed. After that, I started to draw maps with it. At first, as I'm only a "map user" (mainly topographic) I had to fight with the parameters for the different projections, but at last it produced some nice maps. It would be great to obtain high resolution data for the mountain zones in the Basque Country to produce my own custom maps :-) (I will try to get it) And perhaps my caving group will use it to produce cave maps. (We measure the caves and then draw maps). The road database works very well (I had no problems with it). Only need a plane and a GPS to use it :-) Some time ago I heard that to flew to a Unix conference using a portable with Plan 9 "connected to the flight instruments". So you used games/road in your plane? The sky database is also very nice. It works without problems (only tried to map some constellations) other than lack of memory. These programs make a good set for impressing friends. Regarding the VGA hell... I guess that programming such horrible devices has been more dificult than designing the OS... I have installed the system at 800x600x8. I was unable to get it working at 1024x768x?. (My monitor needs interlacing).o Regards, Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** (c)1995 by the author. This message cannot be transferred to the Microsoft(tm) Network. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 08:54:26 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78497>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:42:11 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78337>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:41:53 -0400 Received: from uucp5.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzhwc16741; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:41:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:41:46 -0400 From: tbcc!bwc@uunet.uu.net Message-Id: Received: from tbcc.UUCP by uucp5.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:41:46 -0400 To: <9fans> Subject: Status Apparently-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Just a word of encouragement to all those still in VGA hell. I've got two terminals, a cpu server and a file server working. I have one terminal in my office (586 16MB) and one in my lab (486 8Mb). The CPU server is currently only a 486 machine but that will be fixed soon. One suprise was that I needed to put the cdrom and streaming tape drive on the cpu server. I wrote a short program to read tapes from the Archive tape drive using scsi(3). Worked first time. I still can't cpu to the cpu server, but Dave P. got me closer. There is a big difference in feel between the floppy and the full cdrom. This stuff is great. I haven't been this excited since my 6th Edition tapes arrived. Brantley Coile Network Translation, Inc. bwc@translation.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 09:38:08 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78500>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:29:53 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78501>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:29:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:29:06 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: Status Message-Id: <95Sep19.092933edt.78501@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >One suprise was that I needed to put the cdrom and streaming tape drive >on the cpu server. I wrote a short program to read tapes from the Archive >tape drive using scsi(3). Worked first time. Were you unaware of the scuzz(8) command, or is there some reason why it wouldn't work with your tape drive? Hmmm, just checked scsi(3) -- there's no reference to scuzz(8) in the "See Also". >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 09:50:52 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78501>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:43:08 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78337>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:42:50 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06151; Tue, 19 Sep 95 14:42:30 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (phantom.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21487; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:42:27 +0100 Received: from phantom (localhost) by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17431; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:42:23 +0100 Message-Id: <9509191342.AA17431@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans Subject: Re: Status In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:29:06 EDT." <95Sep19.092933edt.78501@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 X-Planation: X-Faces can be viewed with Faces from cs.indiana.edu. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:42:23 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane Content-Length: 259 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:29:06 -0400 Interesting - either: - you've got a problem with your plan 9 timezone, or - you've just moved into a timezone 14 hours removed from the one you were in ten minutes ago. :-) steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 10:03:19 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78504>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:53:57 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78503>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:53:41 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:36:59 -0400 Subject: re: Multi-Tech ISI card Message-Id: <95Sep19.095341edt.78503@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans we have two of these cards and they've never been out of the box, i believe they are just 16550's strapped to come up in a suitable mode (but i could be wrong). we run the plain old 16550's on our pc's at 115200 with high-speed compressing modems (motorola) without trouble, you don't need the isi card unless you need com3. we have, however, had trouble with the multitech mt2834 modems when trying to use them over a 4-wire leased line. we'd be interested in anyone else's experience. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 10:12:06 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78498>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:04:12 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78519>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:03:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:02:18 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: Status Message-Id: <95Sep19.100346edt.78519@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Interesting - either: > - you've got a problem with your plan 9 timezone, or > - you've just moved into a timezone 14 hours removed > from the one you were in ten minutes ago. I think Majordumbo must be rewriting my Date: header... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 10:37:09 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78506>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:29:26 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.134]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78505>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:29:10 -0400 Received: from hogpa.ho.att.com by ig2.att.att.com id AA19842; Tue, 19 Sep 95 09:36:57 EDT Received: from hogpd.ho.att.com by hogpa.ho.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.2 sol2) id AA13115; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:31:41 -0400 Received: by hogpd.ho.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1 SunOS) id AA04797; Tue, 19 Sep 95 09:31:40 EDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:31:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9509191331.AA04797@hogpd.ho.att.com> From: whjake@hogpa.ho.att.com (Norman B Thompson) To: 9fans Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE unsubscribe Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans UNSUBSCRIBE unsubscribe please >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 10:59:15 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78522>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:51:00 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78527>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:50:42 -0400 Received: from uucp5.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzhwl17165; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:50:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:50:26 -0400 From: tbcc!bwc@uunet.uu.net Message-Id: Received: from tbcc.UUCP by uucp5.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:50:27 -0400 To: <9fans> Subject: Re: Status Apparently-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Were you unaware of the scuzz(8) command, or is there some reason >why it wouldn't work with your tape drive? I tried the scuzz read command and my somewhat old tape drive didn't like it. I didn't take the time to figure out why since I suspected scsi(3) would be easy to use. It was. Brantley Coile Network Translation bwc@translation.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 14:50:48 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34215>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:33:11 -0400 Received: from westlake.tkg.com ([198.3.130.68]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34213>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:19:21 -0400 Received: from kernel.austin.ibm.com (kernel.austin.ibm.com [9.3.22.57]) by westlake.tkg.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA05688 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:26:25 -0500 Received: by kernel.austin.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA50861; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:18:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:18:40 -0400 From: daveb@tkg.com (Dave Burton) Message-Id: <9509191818.AA50861@kernel.austin.ibm.com> To: 9fans Subject: Re: CD-ROM music Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans | Speaking of play-value, has anyone gotten themselves far enough | out of VGA hell to try the sky catalog or the geographic/road | databases? The road database is really cool, but I am a bit disappointed that Austin, TX is not in the database. We used to live in Naperville, Il, and it was even more frustrating that the database stops within a couple of miles of Indian Hill. It was, however, interesting to see the location of y'all's espresso machine.... Where can the common man obtain additional database entries? -- Dave >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 15:40:57 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78383>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:29:02 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78545>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:28:20 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:28:04 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:36:26 -0400 From: "Christian L. Pearce" Message-ID: <43mkha$k0e@jake.esu.edu> Organization: Kutztown University of Pennsylvania, USA References: <95Sep16.153538edt.78389@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Question about VGA modes Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans presotto@plan9.ATt.COM wrote: : 640x480x8 is an extended mode. The ones that are generic : VGA are 640x480x{1,2,4}. So can you define vgasize=640x480[1,2,4] in you plan9.ini file? The reason I ask is because I define it monitor=vga vgasize=640x480x1 or 8 The problem I get is that the screen wraps. I do not know why. I have a Diamond SpeedStar PRO VLB and a GoldStar Standard VGA monitor. I look in all the vgadb definitions for the h-sync, v-sync, clock rate, and bandwidth and compared them to my xwindows configuration and it is all exact can anyone tell me why my monitor is wrapping? In need of guidence. Christian Pearce pear6459@kutztown.edu pearcec@enter.net >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 15:51:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78536>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:39:53 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78544>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:28:46 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:27:51 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:26:40 -0400 From: Jonne Itkonen Message-ID: <43lrbg$d93@mordred.cc.jyu.fi> Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland Subject: Does anyone run Plan9 on HP? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans We have six HP workstations here at the department of Mathematics without any better use, so we thought we could try to run Plan9 on them. The workstations are: Processor HD Display Memory HP345 68040 SCSI 6bit 16M HP319 68020 HPIB 6bit 4M HP340 68030 HPIB 6bit 16M HP370 68030 SCSI 6bit 8M Does anyone run Plan9 on similar configurations? Any problems or tricks one should know befor installing? Any experience on subject is appreciated... -Jonne -- URL: http://www.math.jyu.fi/~ji/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 17:20:19 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78544>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:03:24 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78545>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:56:18 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19149; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:48:36 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509192048.AA19149@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: Multi-Tech ISI card To: 9fans Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:20:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Sep19.095341edt.78503@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "jmk@plan9.att.com" at Sep 19, 95 09:36:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > we have two of these cards and they've never been out of the box, > i believe they are just 16550's strapped to come up in a suitable mode > (but i could be wrong). > we run the plain old 16550's on our pc's at 115200 with high-speed > compressing modems (motorola) without trouble, you don't need the isi > card unless you need com3. > we have, however, had trouble with the multitech mt2834 modems when trying > to use them over a 4-wire leased line. we'd be interested in anyone > else's experience. Multi-Tech say that the cards are 16550-compatible by default but they can be put in a mode with a bigger buffer to decrease the interrupt load. I will look at the specifications they are going to give me. BTW, my COM3 card is an old 8250-based card with the 8250 desoldered and replaced by a 16550, and a track cut and resoldered to use IRQ5. It works under Unix (and will work under Plan 9 once I get the new motherboard). The reason for the ISI card is that I use to do heavy work while I use the modem and for now I cannot set up separate file server, CPU server/s and terminal, so I will use a single machine. regarding the modems, I haven't experience with that model (just biught the cheap 2834ZDX which is async-only and PSTN-only) but perhaps I can help you. Which is the problem? Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** (c)1995 by the author. This message cannot be transferred to the Microsoft(tm) Network. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 19:55:47 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34118>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:39:00 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34117>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:38:40 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:56:08 -0400 subject: scsi tape drives and scuzz Message-Id: <95Sep19.193840edt.34117@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>I tried the scuzz read command and my somewhat old tape drive >>didn't like it. I didn't take the time to figure out why since my Wangtek SCSI tape drive didn't work, because scuzz doesn't understand fixed-block tape devices. i made the changes now found in /pub/plan9/bod/scuzz.bodrc (a boddle file) on ftp.cs.york.ac.uk . it's worked fine, since. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 22:32:54 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78553>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:22:31 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78551>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:22:15 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:12:42 -0400 Subject: re: Got a LaserWave CD controller working Message-Id: <95Sep19.222215edt.78551@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans i'm thinking of how to make this a general change to co-exist with the sb16. what type of cdrom do you have? --jim >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 19 23:33:11 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78553>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 23:24:28 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78551>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 23:24:06 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <9853>; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 23:23:50 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: mkext vs. tar for custom install Message-Id: <95Sep19.232350edt.9853@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 23:23:49 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm getting ready to load the CDROM onto my new PC (kfs filesystem), and I can't use c:/plan9/386/bin/build because I only have 400Meg in my Plan9 partition. I want to load everything except /mips, /sparc and /68020. If I did this with tar, I'd try: % {cd /n/cdrom; tar c 386 sys lib acme rc adm} | {cd /n/kfs; tar xv} If I did it with mkfs, I'd try: % disk/mkfs -a -s /n/cdrom /tmp/myproto |disk/mkext -uv -d/n/kfs Which of the above would be the preferred method, and why? Would they both set the ownerships and modification times properly? By the way, the manpage for mkext(8) says the '-u' option can only be used when initializing a new fs(f) file system, but I find the following in /sys/lib/pcdist/src/build.c, where it un-packs the 4 floppies: sprint(buf, "vdexpand < /n/a/disk%d.vd | disk/mkext -uv -d/n/kfs", disk); Here, it is using a kfs file system with the '-u' option, in contradiction to the restriction in the manpage. Is the manpage out of date, or is build.c breaking the rules somehow? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 20 03:47:40 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78570>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 03:37:52 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78568>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 03:37:35 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 03:49:16 -0400 Subject: re: mkext vs. tar for custom install Message-Id: <95Sep20.033735edt.78568@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Is the manpage out of date, or is build.c breaking the rules somehow? {disk/kfscmd allow} puts disk/kfs into the same state as a full-blown file server during its initial load (or `allow' at config level). (the command is issued by startkfs in build.) disk/mkext -u will set owners, groups, and file times correctly to those on the CDROM. tar won't. although it probably doesn't affect the distribution, tar also has several other restrictions (eg, path name limits) that don't apply to mkext. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 20 04:51:18 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78574>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:41:35 -0400 Received: from scol.sco.com ([150.126.1.48]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78571>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:41:19 -0400 Received: from srvwingb.london.sco.COM by scol.london.sco.COM id aa19000; 20 Sep 95 9:21 BST Received: from bitslice.london.sco.COM by srvwingb.sco.com id aa22058; 20 Sep 95 9:19 BST Received: by bitslice.london.sco.COM with Microsoft Mail id <01BA873A.4019DE40@bitslice.london.sco.COM>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:19:55 +-100 Message-ID: <01BA873A.4019DE40@bitslice.london.sco.COM> From: Dave Edmondson To: "9fans@cse.psu.edu" <9fans> Subject: RE: Multi-Tech ISI card Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 06:19:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans this sounds like the hayes esp cards, which can emulate 16550, but also have a mode which enables a 1k fifo (1k for each of the two ports). i have some information on the cards if anyone is interested. if memory serves (the documentation is at home) the cards can also do dma. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 20 08:25:42 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78578>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:14:58 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78579>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:14:30 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189484>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:05:52 +0200 Received: from styx by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03299; Wed, 20 Sep 95 14:05:37 +0200 Message-Id: <9509201205.AA03299@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by styx (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA13906; Wed, 20 Sep 95 14:05:17 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Hans-Peter Bischof Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:05:15 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: subscribe References: <95Aug31.163544edt.45724@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans bischof@informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.de -hp >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 20 08:34:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78570>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:26:06 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78586>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:25:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:20:32 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: *** How to unsubscribe from 9fans *** Message-Id: <95Sep20.082517edt.78586@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans If you wish to unsubscribe from 9fans, send a piece of mail with subject "unsubscribe" to the following address: 9fans-request@cse.psu.edu DO NOT SEND IT TO 9fans@cse.psu.edu. Thankyou. [If you are at Basser, please disregard this mail, and send requests to me instead. You know who you are!] >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 20 10:37:50 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78586>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:19:28 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78588>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:19:03 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:17:31 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:19:05 -0400 From: Murray Jensen Message-ID: <43otb9$cj4@asgard.mlb.dmt.csiro.au> Organization: CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology, Melbourne, Australia Subject: Mouse Systems mouse, Gravis Ultrasound and ATAPI CD-ROM Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans After hunting around a bit I have a partial answer to my own question. The group in the UK (http://www.plan9.cs.york.ac.uk/plan9/soft/) are working on support for the Gravis Ultrasound, and the group in Sydney Australia (http://www.plan9.cs.su.oz.au/plan9/local.html) are working on support for ATAPI CD-ROMs. I guess I just need to be patient regarding these two. However, I still need a mouse driver that supports a three button Mouse Systems mouse. Any help forthcoming? Cheers! Murray... -- Murray Jensen, CSIRO Div of Manufacturing Tech, Phone: +61 3 662 7763 Locked Bag No. 9, Preston, Vic, 3072, Australia. Fax: +61 3 662 7851 Internet: mjj@mlb.dmt.csiro.au >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 20 10:51:53 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78588>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:40:10 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78585>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:37:57 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:17:13 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:34:04 -0400 From: Amos Shapir Message-ID: Organization: nSOF Parallel Software References: <95Sep19.012023edt.78425@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Subject: Stars (was: CD-ROM music) Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans dmr@plan9.ATt.COM writes: >Speaking of play-value, has anyone gotten themselves far enough >out of VGA hell to try the sky catalog or the geographic/road >databases? Here's a filter to "astro"'s output which uses "plot" to draw a picture of the sky; now all we need is to add that to "scat"'s output, or teach "astro" to present current star positions (it does read the star catalog to check for occultations, but doesn't present position info). #!/bin/rc # << doesn't work inside {} { echo 'o ra -90 -90 90 90 e ci 0 0 90 li -90 0 90 0 li 0 -90 0 90 m 0 -88 t \CS m 0 88 t \CN m -88 0 t \CE m 88 0 t \CW ' astro -p $* | awk 'NR>1{ if(NF==6) { name=$1; a=$4; e=$5 } else { name=$2; a=$5; e=$6 } if(e >=0) { a = a*3.14159/180 print "m", (e-90)*sin(a), (90-e)*cos(a) print "t *" name } } END {print "cl"}' } | plot -- Amos Shapir Net: amos@nsof.co.il Paper: nSOF Parallel Software, Ltd. Givat-Hashlosha 48800, Israel Tel: +972 3 9388551 Fax: +972 3 9388552 GEO: 34 55 15 E / 32 05 52 N >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 21 01:37:16 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78620>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:28:55 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78616>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:28:28 -0400 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:27:52 +1000 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id FAA16640; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:27:43 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id AA05480; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:30:53 +1000 (5.x/1.34) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" Message-Id: <9509211530.ZM5478@suede.sw.oz.au> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:30:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: jmk@plan9.att.com "re: Got a LaserWave CD controller working" (Sep 19, 10:12pm) References: <95Sep19.222215edt.78551@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE Subject: re: Got a LaserWave CD controller working > i'm thinking of how to make this a general change to co-exist with the > sb16. what type of cdrom do you have? It's branded as a LaserMate, but I think it's just a Panasonic CR-56x. My patch isn't very reliable - it was enough to load the distribution, but not for any serious use. It works so long as the CD is kept spinning, but I think it shuts down after a couple of mins of idleness, and the driver doesn't start it again. I think that would be a generic problem rather than specific to my setup. J >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 21 13:47:49 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78673>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:32:26 -0400 Received: from sphinx ([129.138.6.92]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78663>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:31:50 -0400 Received: from charon.cs.nmt.edu (charon.cs.nmt.edu [129.138.6.90]) by sphinx (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA20476 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:28:48 -0600 Received: (cort@localhost) by charon.cs.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.9) id LAA14233 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:28:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199509211728.LAA14233@charon.cs.nmt.edu> From: cort@cs.nmt.edu (Cort) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:28:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: 9fans Subject: breakup Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Does anyone have any information on how the at&t breakup will effect Bell Labs apart from it becoming a spin-off company (most importantly how will its projects be effected). >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 21 20:06:53 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78369>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:57:55 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:48:13 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:29:04 -0400 Subject: Re: breakup Message-Id: <95Sep21.194813edt.78359@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans HELLO HELLO CAN YOU HEAR US DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MOUTHPIECE OF THE JUNTA SINCE YESTERDAY AT 10:30AM THE P.A. SYSTEM HAS BEEN PLAYING MARTIAL MUSIC INTERSPERSED WITH MESSAGES TO STAY IN OFFICES DON'T LEAVE THE BUILDING RESEARCH IS NOT DEAD ETC. THE GUARDS ARE PATROLLING THE CORRIDORS AND WE ARE UN(*&I{O+){OJKN?:ÔÔ ~)(&Y~* Thank You For Using AT&T >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 21 23:18:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78358>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:08:46 -0400 Received: from handel.jlc.net ([199.201.159.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78352>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:08:30 -0400 Received: from pm211.jlc.net by handel.jlc.net (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA13322; Thu, 21 Sep 95 23:08:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:08:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9509220308.AA13322@handel.jlc.net> X-Sender: jpearson@mailhost.JLC.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: 9fans From: jpearson@handel.jlc.net (Jerry L. Pearson) Subject: SHADES OF ED WOOD Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Short article for the interest of this group... -Industry Watch- section of HP Professional magazine... September 1995 issue, page 11, by George A. Thompson _SHADES OF ED WOOD_ "Did you ever think that UNIX might have been a technology left behind by extraterrestrial IS managers? Then get ready for Plan 9. In July, the Computer Research Center of AT&T Bell Laboratories announced the availability of Plan 9, an operating system named after the science-fiction cult movie _Plan 9 From Outer Space_. Plan 9 takes advantage of three basic technical ideas: all the system objects present themselves as named files that are manipulated by read/write operations; all these files may exist either locally or remotely and respond to a standard protocol; the file system name space (set of objects visible to a program) is dynamically and individually adjustable for each of the programs running on a particular machine. While the first two ideas have been foreshadowed in UNIX, the third is new. Although developed by the group that developed UNIX, C, and C++ (including Dennis Richie and Ken Thompson who developed UNIX in 1969), Plan 9 _is not a replacement for UNIX. It is a new design._ Plan 9 runs on the Intel 386/486/Pentium, MIPS and SPARC and Motorola 68020 platforms. It also supports symmetric multiprocessing. Plan 9 (entire source code; two volume manual) is available on CD-ROM for $350. Also included are four PC disks containing a binary-only version for demonstrations. For more information call (800) 462-8146 (in the United States) and (415) 943-4076 (outside the United States) On the WWW, use the URL http://plan9.att.com/index.html/ ." >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 21 23:28:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:19:31 -0400 Received: from sam.neosoft.com ([198.64.6.71]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:17:49 -0400 Received: from Default (sam-ppp-i1.NeoSoft.COM [198.65.161.52]) by sam.neosoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA27734 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:22:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199509220322.WAA27734@sam.neosoft.com> From: cord@neosoft.com (Cord Ellis) To: 9fans Subject: Re: breakup Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:08:52 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >HELLO HELLO CAN YOU HEAR US DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MOUTHPIECE >OF THE JUNTA > >SINCE YESTERDAY AT 10:30AM THE P.A. SYSTEM HAS BEEN PLAYING >MARTIAL MUSIC INTERSPERSED WITH MESSAGES TO STAY IN OFFICES >DON'T LEAVE THE BUILDING RESEARCH IS NOT DEAD ETC. THE GUARDS >ARE PATROLLING THE CORRIDORS AND WE ARE UN(*&I{O+){OJKN?:CC >~)(&Y~* > >Thank You For Using AT&T MULDER!!!! >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 21 23:46:17 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:39:55 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:39:39 -0400 From: dmr@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:39:22 -0400 Subject: FROM THE MOUTHPIECE OF THE JUNTA Message-Id: <95Sep21.233939edt.78359@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I sent a longer, duller piece on the AT&T split earlier today to the wrong variant of the 9fans address (so much for snarf). This presentation would have played better if it had appeared before McKie's. But, even more briefly than my first try: the research part of AT&T Bell Labs will split as well into No-name-yet Bell Labs and AT&T Laboratories, with more people in the first than the second, and with the first more involved with products and the second with services. There is no strong reason to believe yet that our own group will be in the one rather than the other, nor indeed to prefer one to the other, though certainly people are conjugating the prospects of both companies and the opportunities they offer. It's too soon to say. One observation, however: those who listened to the very end of Bob Allen's press conference heard this: Q: What about McKie and Flandrena? A: Wasn't that in the written material? They will be sent to Bellcore. Dennis >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 21 23:59:40 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78372>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:48:36 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:48:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12912>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:48:09 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: breakup Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:47:56 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <95Sep21.234809edt.12912@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Wow, just like in Brazil (showing on TBS at this very moment.) VGA hell is worse than I thought. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 00:29:22 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78379>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:19:11 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78370>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:18:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12912>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:18:31 -0400 To: 9fans Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:18:26 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <95Sep22.001831edt.12912@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I retrieved Dennis' first message from the recycling bin. In the interest of completeness, here it is. -- Scott ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:37:07 -0400 From: dmr@plan9.att.com To: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: re: breakup A partial answer to "how will this affect AT&T Bell Labs?" is as follows--the new, still unnamed technology company will get the bulk of core Bell Labs, which includes research, as well as the Bell Labs name. The exact fraction is not decided yet but numbers in the range 60-80% have been mentioned. The remainder will stay with AT&T in a new AT&T Laboratories. In thinking about these figures, keep in mind that about half of research is in the physical science area and it is assumed that essentially all of this will be in Bell Labs; that biases the division of the rest. In general the division will be along obvious lines of work-- people involved with services to AT&T, with products to Bell Labs. In some cases, including most of our own group, it is not an obvious call, and we don't know which it will be. Arno Penzias did remark today that the split will not be like the one at divestiture, in which one or two people from each group were selected to go to Bellcore to yield similar populations; here it will be more in groups as a whole. (But Arno is about to leave his position as VP of research, so this is only his opinion.) Incidentally the intended time scale has the new internal organizations being planned during the fall and in place in the spring. The formal split is supposed to be accomplished at the beginning of 1997. I don't know what will happen with Plan 9 licensing. During the official briefing it was mentioned that division of IP was one of the thorniest of all the issues, but this has to do especially with patent licencing (if AT&T has an agreement with someone now, who inherits it?) Given that Plan 9 is hardly of strategic interest to either company, I would trust that we could argue that the outside licensing should go where we go, and I wouldn't be surprised if the other company kept rights to use. There's no reason at this point to expect the split to change the nature of our work. But a lot is going to happen in the next year. Dennis ------- End of Forwarded Message >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 05:02:55 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78394>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 04:54:05 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78393>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 04:53:48 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:53:21 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 08:12:33 -0400 From: Jean Mehat Message-ID: <43tr5h$3qd@cleopatre.pasteur.fr> Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris Subject: [Qs] Plan9 & linux Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I would like to install plan9 on my linux box, but I don't have DOS on my machine, and have an already partitionned hard disk. Do I really have to install DOS to install and boot the pcdist floppies, or is a DOS filesystem necessary/sufficient? Can I force plan9 to install itself on the swap partition? What partitions are used by pcdist : the 2d, the last, all but the first, the first not labelled as DOS? Is there a a way to specify which partition the installation program should use? -- Jean Mehat, universite de Paris 8 Vincennes a Saint Denis, jm@univ-paris8.fr, ((33) 1) 49 40 64 03, ((33) 1) 49 40 67 83 (fax) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 09:58:52 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78358>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:41:40 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:41:20 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:35:18 -0400 Subject: re: [Qs] Plan9 & linux Message-Id: <95Sep22.094120edt.78366@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans at the moment you are out of luck. there will hopefully be a new version of the 4-diskette system soon which will allow you to use any FAT partition as the temporary install filesystem. but beware, plan 9 does not install onto a partition on your disc, but creates its own filesystem on any unclaimed space on the disc beyond the partitions described by the master boot record. read the installation instructions and errata carefully. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 05:08:33 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78394>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 04:54:05 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78393>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 04:53:48 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:53:21 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 08:12:33 -0400 From: Jean Mehat Message-ID: <43tr5h$3qd@cleopatre.pasteur.fr> Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris Subject: [Qs] Plan9 & linux Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I would like to install plan9 on my linux box, but I don't have DOS on my machine, and have an already partitionned hard disk. Do I really have to install DOS to install and boot the pcdist floppies, or is a DOS filesystem necessary/sufficient? Can I force plan9 to install itself on the swap partition? What partitions are used by pcdist : the 2d, the last, all but the first, the first not labelled as DOS? Is there a a way to specify which partition the installation program should use? -- Jean Mehat, universite de Paris 8 Vincennes a Saint Denis, jm@univ-paris8.fr, ((33) 1) 49 40 64 03, ((33) 1) 49 40 67 83 (fax) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 10:40:11 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:17:30 -0400 Received: from Nina.nns.ru ([194.135.102.33]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78379>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:17:14 -0400 Received: from Alyona.nns.ru by Nina.nns.ru with ESMTP id SAA00459; (8.6.11/D) Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:15:50 +0400 Received: from Alyona.nns.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Alyona.nns.ru (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA21897 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:16:50 +0400 To: 9fans Subject: Disc partitions revisited In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:35:18 EDT." <95Sep22.094120edt.78366@colossus.cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <21894.811779410.1@Alyona.nns.ru> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:16:50 -0400 Message-ID: <21895.811779410@Alyona.nns.ru> From: Nickolay Saukh Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > but beware, plan 9 does not install onto a partition on your disc, but creates > its own filesystem on any unclaimed space on the disc beyond the partitions > described by the master boot record. read the installation instructions and > errata carefully. Looks like plan 9 is a kind of very sophisticated virus, invisible for disk management tools of other operating systems :-} Any reason not to have record in partition table for plan 9 file system? May be installation of plan 9 is the point of no return? :-} >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 11:30:28 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78423>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:16:17 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78431>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:09:14 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:41:44 -0400 Subject: re: Disc partitions revisited Message-Id: <95Sep22.110914edt.78431@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Any reason not to have record in partition table for plan 9 file > system? May be installation of plan 9 is the point of no return? :-} Because we didn't think of it when we started, we didn't know anything about PCs. MS-DOS is just a fancy boot-ROM to get the terminal booted and connected to a fileserver. Trying to shoe-horn partition management in now is awkward, but we're working on it. If only installing Linux didn't keep trashing my OS/2 partition and my PC didn't disappear all this week for UnixExpo, and my CD-ROM drive didn't die and I wasn't being exiled to Bellcore and... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 17:31:38 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34078>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:57:23 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34079>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:57:01 -0400 From: ken@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:51:13 -0400 Message-Id: <95Sep22.165701edt.34079@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans || Speaking of play-value, has anyone gotten themselves far enough || out of VGA hell to try the sky catalog or the geographic/road || databases? | |the The road database is really cool, but I am a bit disappointed that |Austin, TX is not in the database. We used to live in Naperville, Il, |and it was even more frustrating that the database stops within a |couple of miles of Indian Hill. It was, however, interesting to see |the location of y'all's espresso machine.... | |Where can the common man obtain additional database entries? the tiger database was not (all) on the cdrom because of space problems. the full database includes 48 states, alaska, hawaii, puerto rico, and various islands. about 800 meg. anyway i just set up the plan9 www/ftp namespace to bind in the database in the directory tiger. let me know if there are any problems. ken >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 17:47:36 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34081>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 17:28:52 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34078>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:56:39 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <10038>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:56:04 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: what device does #F represent? Message-Id: <95Sep22.165604edt.10038@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:56:04 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In the PC distribution, /lib/namespace has: bind -a #F /net I could not find #F documented in section 3 of the manual, and /lib/namespace on the cdrom does not include this line. What is #F? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 18:30:28 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78337>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:14:43 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:14:18 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:03:50 -0400 Subject: re: what device does #F represent? Message-Id: <95Sep22.181418edt.78360@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It shouldn't be there. It's for the PLANET fiber network on Brazil. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 17:48:36 EDT 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34081>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 17:28:52 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34078>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:56:39 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <10038>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:56:04 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: what device does #F represent? Message-Id: <95Sep22.165604edt.10038@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:56:04 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In the PC distribution, /lib/namespace has: bind -a #F /net I could not find #F documented in section 3 of the manual, and /lib/namespace on the cdrom does not include this line. What is #F? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 22 18:43:27 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78354>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:33:23 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78350>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:32:59 -0400 From: philw@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:26:27 -0400 Subject: re: what device does #F represent? Message-Id: <95Sep22.183259edt.78350@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans #F is the fil driver for PLANET. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 00:48:29 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78429>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 00:42:26 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78447>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 17:27:47 -0400 From: dmr@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:40:07 -0400 Subject: Re: CD-ROM music Message-Id: <95Sep22.172747edt.78447@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The road database is really cool, but I am a bit disappointed that Austin, TX is not in the database..... Where can the common man obtain additional database entries? The database was crunched down from something like 44 CD-ROMS constituting the Census bureau's Tiger database. The full database as we store it is something like 880MB, which is why it's not all there. There's no particular reason why it shouldn't be made visible to the outside. Dennis >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 01:15:10 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78375>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 01:04:27 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78386>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 00:36:41 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 22:45:13 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:15:41 -0400 From: Maier David Message-ID: <43t68d$26l@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Subject: plan9 install Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I first booted with the first disk of the ftp version on plan9 and it installed without any problems, but when I went into plan9 (c:\>plan9\b) and tried to install the other disks it said that there was an error, or insuficent disk space, but i know that ther are 250 megs free on my 340 meg IDE hard disk. Do I need more space, or is it configured wrong? [ Most likly it is configured wrong. You need to have free space beyond the dos partition, not within it -- mod ] -David Maier >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 01:25:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78376>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 01:14:07 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78385>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 00:36:40 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 22:45:16 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:37:31 -0400 From: Michael Yockey Message-ID: <43uvpb$1164@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Organization: The University of Arizona Subject: Plan9 boots, but no windowing system Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi you'all, let me first say i think plan9 has alot of potential. my problem is this: after downloading and installing the 4 disk distribution, i rebooted and typed (as in the documentation): plan9\b it boots alright, but it fails to start the windowing system. it reports: fs...time... init: starting /bin/rc /bin/dossrv 18: serving #s/dos init: rc exit status: rc 8:false init: starting /bin/rc term% is this a vga problem? the machine is an 8mb AST 486sx/25 with a cirrus logic graphics chip. i have tried changing it to 640x480x1, but that still doesn't help. Mike -- Mike Yockey myockey@ece.arizona.edu UNIX System Administrator Electrical and Computer Engineering Department The University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona page me: page_mike@vanzandt.amd.com "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change." *** This message contains a minimum of 15% post-consumer electrons. *** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 08:59:35 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78392>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:53:26 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78391>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:53:10 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:45:36 -0400 Subject: re: Plan9 boots, but no windowing system Message-Id: <95Sep23.085310edt.78391@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In my previous message s/if'n it's vga/if'n it's cga/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 09:03:40 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78391>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:58:35 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78390>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:53:09 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:28:46 -0400 Subject: re: Plan9 boots, but no windowing system Message-Id: <95Sep23.085309edt.78390@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It does indeed sound like you're in VGA hell. The only way I can see you getting the message "init: rc exit status: rc 8:false" after dossrv started was if none's startup script, /usr/none/lib/profile, ran without VGA being set up. If you have a color monitor and are still in the green on black CGA mode, that's it. To be sure, once you get the prompt (after the error), type % cat '#v/vgactl' The output will have the line 'type: cga' if'n it's vga. I don't understand 640x480x1 not working. Make sure in C:\plan9\plan9.ini that vgasize=640x480x1 monitor=vga Also, make sure you avoid config.sys & autoexec.bat when you boot (by hitting F5 when booting if DOS version 6 or better or by booting off of a DOS floppy) to make sure DOS isn't setting the VGA to some mode we can't get out of. If this still doesn't work, mail jmk and/or me and we'll take this off line. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 01:26:30 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78376>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 01:14:07 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78385>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 00:36:40 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 22:45:16 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:37:31 -0400 From: Michael Yockey Message-ID: <43uvpb$1164@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Organization: The University of Arizona Subject: Plan9 boots, but no windowing system Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi you'all, let me first say i think plan9 has alot of potential. my problem is this: after downloading and installing the 4 disk distribution, i rebooted and typed (as in the documentation): plan9\b it boots alright, but it fails to start the windowing system. it reports: fs...time... init: starting /bin/rc /bin/dossrv 18: serving #s/dos init: rc exit status: rc 8:false init: starting /bin/rc term% is this a vga problem? the machine is an 8mb AST 486sx/25 with a cirrus logic graphics chip. i have tried changing it to 640x480x1, but that still doesn't help. Mike -- Mike Yockey myockey@ece.arizona.edu UNIX System Administrator Electrical and Computer Engineering Department The University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona page me: page_mike@vanzandt.amd.com "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change." *** This message contains a minimum of 15% post-consumer electrons. *** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 10:53:37 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78393>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:45:34 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78390>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:45:17 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 23 Sep 1995 15:45:10 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:23:12 -0400 From: Staffan Ulfberg Message-ID: <44158g$m39@omega.ludd.luth.se> Organization: Lulea University Computer Society - Ludd Subject: Using plan9 with exactly 2 machines Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello, I've been looking for information about how to set up a small Plan 9 system, but all the documents I've found (not so many, actually), only discuss the two cases 1) installing Plan 9 on a single computer, and 2) installing on many computers (at least three: terminal+cpu server+file server). Since I happen to have exactly two computers available, I was thinking about the possibility to use both for Plan 9. Actually, I would like one of them to run Plan 9 24 hours a day, and the other one to act as a terminal, to be rebooted sometimes to run OS/2. So, my question is: can I use the 24-hours-a-day-running-plan-9-computer as both a cpu and file server at the same time? I guess not. If I'm right here, would it be possible to run a system without a file server? (Putting a central hard disk on the CPU server, and ignoring the security imposed by the file server?) I really think it would be a lot more fun to have a small Plan 9 network to play with than a stand-alone plan 9 machine only. On the other hand, I can't afford three machines... Thanks for any suggestions / pointers to information! Staffan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Staffan Ulfberg phone: int+8 648 98 65 Email: staffanu@nada.kth.luth.se >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 16:54:22 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78359>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:40:50 -0400 Received: from mail.crl.com ([165.113.1.22]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78395>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:40:34 -0400 Received: from crl7.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA29365 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:39:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199509232039.AA29365@mail.crl.com> To: 9fans Cc: fashford@crl.com Subject: Pergatory to Enlightenment via ????? Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:39:42 -0400 From: Frank Ashford Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hey, this is fun! But I'd like to get more information on my screen. I've got an ATI Graphics Ultra + which works in VGA purgatory mode (640x480x1). If I configure for 640x480x[248], I get a black box in the center of the screen with little colored flakes and a border surrounding it which shows the screen as it would apprear if the resolution were about 320x240x1 with a funny wrapping feature. Requests for higher resolutions (1024 . . .) result in the cga terminal apprearing. I'd like to get the 1024x768x[18] resolution out of my card if I can without having to dive into the fiery pit (or my wallet). Anyone have any clever ideas? I've done a few things: 1. in lib/vgadb I placed the following lines in successive attempts: a) ctlr 0xC0085="ISA MACH32" link=ibm8514 ctlr=mach32 b) ctlr 0xC0085="ISA MACH32" ctlr=mach32 link=ibm8514 c) ctlr 0xC0085="ISA MACH32" ctlr=mach32 link=vga d) ctlr 0xC0085="ISA MACH32" link=vga ctlr=mach32 2. looked at the manual pages for vgadb(6) and vga(8) as well as an appendix from the Toronto ftp site and at the regmach32.h file from XF86 (has list of Mach32 ramdac types). a) vgadb(6) indicates the mach32 controller is supported and lists a series of ramdacs, none of which are listed in the regmach32.h file. b) the ftp site appendix lists ATI Ultra Pro as the Mach32 card supported. Does this mean the Ultra+ has a different ramdac and I'll need to have an aux/vga that supports that ramdac? Have I tried all of the easy stuff? Is the next step to go find a copy of Ferraro? Any guidance is appreciated. -Frank >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 22:15:26 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78409>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 22:07:52 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78412>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:38:28 -0400 Received: (taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.12+usc) id RAA27208; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 17:54:21 -0700 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:54:21 -0400 From: Ta-Wei Li Message-Id: <199509240054.RAA27208@skat.usc.edu> To: 9fans Subject: Buslogic 956C Supported? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have read the FAQ on PC-clone but want to make sure the above cared is supported before I place the order. Thanks. Ta-Wei "David" Li Member, League for Programming Freedom "Innovate, don't litigate." >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 23:59:23 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78368>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:53:27 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78365>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:53:10 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:47:44 -0400 Subject: re: Buslogic 956C Supported? Message-Id: <95Sep23.235310edt.78365@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've used the 946C, I believe the 956C is the wide version. I can't imagine why it wouldn't work. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 23 22:15:43 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78409>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 22:07:52 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78412>; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:38:28 -0400 Received: (taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.12+usc) id RAA27208; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 17:54:21 -0700 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:54:21 -0400 From: Ta-Wei Li Message-Id: <199509240054.RAA27208@skat.usc.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Buslogic 956C Supported? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have read the FAQ on PC-clone but want to make sure the above cared is supported before I place the order. Thanks. Ta-Wei "David" Li Member, League for Programming Freedom "Innovate, don't litigate." >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 00:20:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78401>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 00:13:29 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78365>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 00:13:13 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:57:55 -0400 Subject: re: Pergatory to Enlightenment via ????? Message-Id: <95Sep24.001313edt.78365@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > 320x240x1 with a funny wrapping feature. Requests for higher > resolutions (1024 . . .) result in the cga terminal apprearing. did you set your monitor environment variable to something other than 'vga'? you need to for > 800x600. when in cga mode, it's always a good idea to aux/vga -p > /tmp/x and look there for any obvious errors. > ctlr > 0xC0085="ISA MACH32" > link=vga > ctlr=mach32 this would be my choice, although it could just be another id string in the existing mach32 entry. the mach32/64 support was added at the last minute and just does the basic stuff, it doesn't use the accelerator at all and it shouldn't be necessary to programme the ramdac for those modes up to and including 1024x768. it's more likely there's either 1) a difference in the clock table; 2) some different setup required for the ISA card (we only had a VLB card to try it on). >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 07:41:07 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78414>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:29:12 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78413>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:28:55 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:28:57 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 06:58:06 -0400 From: tracker@halcyon.com Message-ID: <441l9d$o6r@news.halcyon.com> Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Illegal-Object: Syntax error in References: value found on colossus.cse.psu.edu: References: tracker@ halcyon. COM ^ ^-illegal reference separator \-illegal reference separator Subject: SCSI driver for Adaptec 2742T? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I finally found the ftp site, got the disks. Only B.COM wont recognize my SCSI controller it's an Adaptec 2742T EISA. Yes, plug and play is only a dream. Any plans to get a driver going for this card? Thanks, Russ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 07:48:43 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78417>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:41:30 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78415>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:40:13 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:29:19 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 02:13:44 -0400 From: Craig Brent Ludington Message-ID: <442suo$8b@quilla.tezcat.com> Organization: t e z c a t . c o m - Wicker Park (Chicago) 312-850-0112 Subject: PPP over serial line Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Could someone who has set up PPP over a serial line please help. I've used the following approach: 1. telco /dev/eia1 2. con -l telco!5551212 3. logged on to ppp server and started ppp 4. used the ! combination to execute pppclient as: 5. pppclient -i myipaddr -p ISP'sipaddr At this point all the con's i/o seem to be going to pppclient. I then try to: 6. echo "add myipaddr" > /bin/ndb/cs to put the new ip address in the network database. (I'm logged on as sys). Any effort to ping results in a "not found" message. ndb/query won't execute, saying only "bad exec header" (I may not remember that precisely). I've read the man pages, and searched the archives for this newsgroup, without success so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Craig Ludington (who's delighted to be running Plan9!) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 07:52:50 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78418>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:48:22 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78416>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:40:14 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:29:30 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:19:28 -0400 From: SRizzo9633 Message-ID: <43t2v0$lv3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: SpeedStar PRO woes Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have been unable get my SpeedStar PRO card to work with plan9. When the command aux/vga -l $vgasize is attempted in line 52 of /bin/termrc I see a dot zigzag across the screen and a blink. After that nothing. No traps, no dump, I get nothing if I try to type. My card works fine with my monitor, a Crystal Scan 1024 NI, I have no problems using it with Windows 3.1. If anyone has had any luck getting this card to work I would appreciate any help I can get. SJR >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 07:57:05 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78416>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:52:06 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78413>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:40:11 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:29:07 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 07:01:25 -0400 From: tracker@halcyon.com Message-ID: <441lfk$o6r@news.halcyon.com> Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Illegal-Object: Syntax error in References: value found on colossus.cse.psu.edu: References: tracker@ halcyon. COM ^ ^-illegal reference separator \-illegal reference separator Subject: Xdfcopy in OS/2-Warp works for making disk1 Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Subject says it. If you're running OS/2-Warp Xdfcopy is available on the cdrom for diskimages. -Russ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 10:29:22 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78422>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:22:18 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78421>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:22:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:22:00 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: arpd memory leak? Message-Id: <95Sep24.102202edt.78421@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I just noticed that the arpd on our cpu server is using 35M, according to ps! I don't have a lot of time right now to investigate. Does anyone know anything about this? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 10:57:37 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78421>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:50:59 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78425>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:49:20 -0400 From: philw@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:45:00 -0400 Subject: re: arpd memory leak? Message-Id: <95Sep24.104920edt.78425@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans arpd only deletes a pending arp request when it receives a reply - I'll fix it so they time out. However to get to 35M you must have had ~22,000 unresolved arp requests which is pretty weird. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 11:38:25 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78424>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:31:43 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78425>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:31:27 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:04:14 -0400 Subject: re: PPP over serial line Message-Id: <95Sep24.113127edt.78425@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans As has been said before, this ppp is minimal. Someone really should work on it. I don't have time to now. It's on the release more as an excuse to release a newer version later without a new license. The con part (1-5) should work. (6) doesn't do what you want. In fact it's pretty destructive. You copied "add myipaddr" onto the executable /bin/ndb/cs. By the way, double quotes mean nothing to /bin/rc. 'add xyz' written to /net/cs adds protocols for /bin/ndb/cs to use when someone dials a string unbound to a protocol, i.e., one starting with net! instead of tcp! or il! or dk!... When cs starts, it looks to see whats already configured and uses that. If you start up other networks later, you van let cs know by writing 'add tcp' or whatever to /net/cs. The 'bad exec header' usually means that you're trying to execute something that has the execute bit set but isn't a binary for the processor you are executing it on. Perhaps you wrote onto /bin/ndb/query also? ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 07:48:44 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78417>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:41:30 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78415>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:40:13 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:29:19 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 02:13:44 -0400 From: Craig Brent Ludington Message-ID: <442suo$8b@quilla.tezcat.com> Organization: t e z c a t . c o m - Wicker Park (Chicago) 312-850-0112 Subject: PPP over serial line Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Could someone who has set up PPP over a serial line please help. I've used the following approach: 1. telco /dev/eia1 2. con -l telco!5551212 3. logged on to ppp server and started ppp 4. used the ! combination to execute pppclient as: 5. pppclient -i myipaddr -p ISP'sipaddr At this point all the con's i/o seem to be going to pppclient. I then try to: 6. echo "add myipaddr" > /bin/ndb/cs to put the new ip address in the network database. (I'm logged on as sys). Any effort to ping results in a "not found" message. ndb/query won't execute, saying only "bad exec header" (I may not remember that precisely). I've read the man pages, and searched the archives for this newsgroup, without success so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Craig Ludington (who's delighted to be running Plan9!) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 17:11:24 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78430>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 16:57:43 -0400 Received: from isleta.arc.unm.edu ([198.59.173.19]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78401>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 16:57:21 -0400 Received: by isleta.arc.unm.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA26723; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 14:57:07 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 16:57:07 -0400 From: Paul Hubbard To: 9fans In-Reply-To: taweil@skat.USc.EDU's message of Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:54:21 GMT Subject: Buslogic 956C Supported? Message-Id: <95Sep24.165721edt.78401@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have read the FAQ on PC-clone but want to make sure the above cared is supported before I place the order. I have the VLB BusLogic and it works *great* (445c). From what I understand, they all look the same to the driver, so the 956 should be fine. -Paul >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 23:50:03 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78431>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:41:24 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78427>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:41:08 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:16:42 -0400 Subject: re: SCSI driver for Adaptec 2742T? Message-Id: <95Sep24.234108edt.78427@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans None that I know of. Someone should probably do it as the Adaptec 2xxx controllers are fairly popular. However, it's unlikely to be me as 1) I tried again to get the manuals only to receive the "User's Guide" like I did 2 years ago and on further inquiry discover the useful manuals are all on back-order; 2) I don't have a controller and they do seem rather expensive compared to the NCR8xx alternatives with similar performance; 3) I looked at the Linux driver after this question came up last time and got frightened. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Sep 24 07:42:28 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78414>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:29:12 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78413>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:28:55 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:28:57 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 06:58:06 -0400 From: tracker@halcyon.com Message-ID: <441l9d$o6r@news.halcyon.com> Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Illegal-Object: Syntax error in References: value found on colossus.cse.psu.edu: References: tracker@ halcyon. COM ^ ^-illegal reference separator \-illegal reference separator Subject: SCSI driver for Adaptec 2742T? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I finally found the ftp site, got the disks. Only B.COM wont recognize my SCSI controller it's an Adaptec 2742T EISA. Yes, plug and play is only a dream. Any plans to get a driver going for this card? Thanks, Russ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 05:19:19 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78423>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 05:11:46 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78358>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 05:11:29 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:11:08 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:42:03 -0400 From: Andrew McVeigh Message-ID: Organization: Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Sydney Subject: Memory problems with 8-1/2 Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi all, I have managed to install Plan-9 and get 8-1/2 working @1024x768x8. I really love the acme editor/environment and the excellent alef language. Anyway, I seem to only be able to open about 3 large windows... If I have only one window on the screen then I can move it and reshape it etc, but with three windows (depends on the size of each) on the screen then all windowing operations seem to fail. I seem to remember seeing a message at one stage saying something like "Out of Bitmap Memory"... Is this the case or is something else wrong? Is there a fixed amount of memory allocated to windows? Thanks for any help in advance, Andrew McVeigh p.s. replies by e-mail preferred, as my news feed is absurdly slow. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 05:25:32 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78438>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 05:18:37 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 05:11:45 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:11:27 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:49:36 -0400 From: "Jesse M. Hammons" Message-ID: <444qqg$309@cnn.Princeton.EDU> Organization: Princeton University Subject: Success w/ Diamond Stealth VLB ? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans You folks weren't kidding about VGA Hell. I've a Diamond Stealth 24 VLB. If you used Linux a few years back you will recall this is the card that was a nighmare to use with X. At this point I can get aux/vga to recognize the card. The Ramdac is Diamond's SS2410, but I've heard it's compatible with the att20c490, so that's what I put in /lib/vgadb. I'm assuming if my equip. works with X, I can get it to work with 81/2. The modes for the monitor are exactly as I have in XF86Config (/lib/vgadb for X) so I don't really know what to fiddle with at this point. Trying aux/vga -l 1024x768x1 hangs my machine, for example. If I just take out my card's entry in /lib/vga, I get plain 640x480x1 support, but I'd like to try for better since I know my hardware is capable of 1024x768x8 thanks! - Jesse >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 16:54:26 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78463>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:37:50 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78438>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:34:53 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:16:52 -0400 Subject: re: Memory problems with 8-1/2 Message-Id: <95Sep25.163453edt.78438@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Bit maps live in the kernel. The kernel gets 30% of memory by default. If you have a smallish system, this can limit bit map space. You can change how much the kernel gets by sticking the line kernelpercent=40 in plan9.ini. Replace 40 with whatever works... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 17:10:46 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78465>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:53:26 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78668>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:35:01 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:58:46 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:14:04 -0400 From: "Reg H. Beardsley" Message-ID: <446o0s$422@lm1.oryx.com> Organization: Oryx Energy Company Subject: unable to walk to 9dos?? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In attempting to bring up the new Plan 9 demo version, I have run into some odd problems. Not only will the new demo not come up, neither will the old one, which ran fine in March. There have been no changes to the hardware configuration. Only thing I've done is load Microsoft Office. I find it hard to believe that it's so hostile it can stop a floppy boot. A check sum for the March disk would be appreciated. My original disk is toast, even my SPARC 1+ can't read it. I've got a disk image on the 1+ which I used to make floppies for my friends. It gets to the default boot and then comes back w/ the "unable to walk to 9dos" message. BTW how does the overall quality of implementation compare for the various platforms? With Sun IPCs under $1000, I can see little justification for enduring VGA hell... (my apologies if this is answered in the Plan 9 web page. I have had very little success accessing it. ftp seems not to be a problem, but Mosaic has been) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reginald H. Beardsley rhb@acm.org Consultant/Programmer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 17:30:39 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78467>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:09:32 -0400 Received: from mail.crl.com ([165.113.1.22]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78496>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:34:54 -0400 Received: from crl9.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA01290 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:13:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199509251713.AA01290@mail.crl.com> To: 9fans Cc: fashford@crl.com Subject: Re: Pergatory to Enlightenment via ????? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:57:55 EDT." <95Sep24.001313edt.78365@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:13:21 -0400 From: Frank Ashford Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In message <95Sep24.001313edt.78365@colossus.cse.psu.edu>, jmk@plan9.att.com wr ites: > did you set your monitor environment variable to something other than 'vga'? Yep, tried Multisync65. > you need to for > 800x600. when in cga mode, it's always a good idea to > aux/vga -p > /tmp/x > and look there for any obvious errors. Hmmmm. What sort of an error should I expect to see? What I get is a display exactly like what appears running debug (in DOS). The position of the ID string is the same as vvvvvvvvvvvvvv. > > 0xC0085="ISA MACH32" > this would be my choice, although it could just be another id string in the > existing mach32 entry. the mach32/64 support was added at the last minute and Aha, any suggestions as to what another ID string should look like? I'll try other strings that appear in the aux/vga -p > /tmp/y output and use the corresponding addresses. Thanks for your help. I'll pass on my successes :^) -Frank >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 17:41:52 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78468>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:29:27 -0400 Received: from mail.crl.com ([165.113.1.22]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78790>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:35:06 -0400 Received: from crl9.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA22719 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:05:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199509251905.AA22719@mail.crl.com> To: 9fans Cc: fashford@crl.com Subject: Correct use of bind and fs/tarfs? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:05:22 -0400 From: Frank Ashford Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've got an Archive Viper 150 Meg QIC drive attached to an Adaptec 1542C that I am able to move the tape around using scuzz. I want to start reading and writing data to it from rc. I did the following --> I am able to bind the SCSI controller with: bind '#S' /dev This produces directories 0 though 7 and scsiid in my /dev directory. I get no errors from: fs/tarfs -m /n/tapefs /dev/3 I am unable to: tar -cvf /n/tapefs * Have I missed something completely? -Frank >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 18:04:21 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34075>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:14:29 -0400 Received: from cuspidor ([128.169.92.137]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34070>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:13:41 -0400 Received: from localhost.cs.utk.edu by cuspidor with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id RAA21689; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:08:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199509252108.RAA21689@cuspidor> To: 9fans cc: wade@cs.utk.edu Subject: plan9 on a pc w/no fpu Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:07:59 -0400 From: Reed Wade Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, After a bit of trouble and a great deal of assistance from Jim at bell labs (thanks!) I've finally got plan9 installed on my laptop. (compaq aero) The problem now is that my machine has no fpu. I understand plan9 "requires" one but can anyone tell me just how much trouble I am likely to have without it. I haven't done much of anything yet and the only problem I've seen thus far is a funky looking clock. My feeling is that I should really just give up on trying to get this particular machine to enjoy running plan9. thanks, Reed Wade --------- University of Tennessee, Knoxville Dept of Computer Science Netlib Development Group 'Dust--is round off error.' says geek wade@cs.utk.edu -- >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 18:08:35 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78469>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:00:16 -0400 Received: from idpentium.idsoftware.com ([192.246.40.9]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78577>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:41:38 -0400 Received: from idnewt by idpentium.idsoftware.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA09036; Mon, 25 Sep 95 16:19:55 -0500 Received: by idnewt.idsoftware.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0S) id AA01041; Mon, 25 Sep 95 16:19:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9509252119.AA01041@idnewt.idsoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v118.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.3) From: John Carmack Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:19:53 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: early impressions Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have spent a few evenings playing with plan9 now, and I have one = major frustration and a number of comments. My impressions of the = system will probably reveal my NEXTSTEP bias. All of these are = IMHO, and are not meant to be proclamations. The big frustration is a hardware issue -- every time the system = goes down without a proper shutdown, the disk gets toasted = somehow. When b.com launches p9 the next time, it appears to go = fine until you log in, then the drive starts frantically seeking, = then shuts itself off. p9 then gets "exec header invalid" for = each binary that it tries to load, leaving me in rc at the cga = console, but nothing can be executed. This is a scsi (adaptec 1542) system with a 3com ethernet card (it = still has the problem without it) and a single serial port. = Nothing else. I'm willing to believe it is just a flaky system, because it was = one of the first 486/50 (non dx2) systems with a proprietary local = bus slot. If I don't get anything figured out, I guess I will just install a = second IDE drive in my dell XPS90 for plan 9. My low-priority plan is to get things to the point that I can net = boot some old nextstations to use as terminals. I got the net and u9fs running with minimal trouble. Very = important for me, as I don't feel safe storing any files on the p9 = disk... It would be nice if a unix system could also serve as a = p9 authentication server. I am very intrigued by acme. I haven't been able to give it a = fair shake on a high res monitor yet, but I can see how it could = become a very real productivity aid. Because you can't run = graphics programs directly, does mapping the framebuffer and just = drawing inside your given window's bounds sound like a reasonable = workaround? I want cursor keys!!!! It was bad enough losing the page up / dn = / home / end keys on most intel unixes, but to lose the arrow keys = absolutely sucks. Am I missing something stupid? You don't = actually click the mouse every time you want to move the insertion = point, do you? Also, is there an auto-indent feature in acme? The selection mechanism could be improved. When you double click = to select a word, dragging should select additional words, not = revert to character selection. Dragging a selection off the top = or bottom of a scrolling window should auto scroll to continue = selecting. Menu items should have hotkeys. Cut / paste is faster and more = accurate with one hand on the mouse and one on the hotkeys. The window interface has an "indirect" feel to it. You should be = able to move or resize windows by just dragging. Scrollbars should be line based. Having the scroll bar changing = size as you are moving is pretty silly. Acme's direct scrolling = style should be standard throughout the system. Running programs directly in the window they were launched from is = pretty neat. It lets you just do graphics like on old basic = systems, without having to copy over a block of skeleton code to = bring up windows and sutch. There should be a single menu command = or hot key to repaint a window to clean things up, though. The = gap between the scrollbars and the content view begins to hold = much unsightly garbage after running a couple graphics programs. Is there a way to dump the scrollback buffer in an 8 1/2 window? I have had fun poking around, and I really apreciate the clean = design. I will likely have a plan 9 version of Quake available at = it's release in december. John Carmack Id Software >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 19:02:46 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78424>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:52:48 -0400 Received: from northsea.com ([198.115.178.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78431>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:51:56 -0400 Received: from nsea.northsea.com by northsea.com (8.6.10/northsea-1.0) id SAA27048; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:50:46 -0401 Message-Id: <199509252251.SAA27048@northsea.com> To: 9fans Subject: Re: plan9 on a pc w/no fpu In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:07:59 EDT." <199509252108.RAA21689@cuspidor> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:50:45 -0400 From: Stan Norton Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In message <199509252108.RAA21689@cuspidor>, Reed Wade writes: > >Hi, > >After a bit of trouble and a great deal of assistance >from Jim at bell labs (thanks!) I've finally got plan9 >installed on my laptop. (compaq aero) > >The problem now is that my machine has no fpu. I understand >plan9 "requires" one but can anyone tell me just how much >trouble I am likely to have without it. > >I haven't done much of anything yet and the only problem >I've seen thus far is a funky looking clock. > >My feeling is that I should really just give up on trying >to get this particular machine to enjoy running plan9. > >thanks, > >Reed Wade >--------- >University of Tennessee, Knoxville Dept of Computer Science >Netlib Development Group 'Dust--is round off error.' says geek >wade@cs.utk.edu -- I saw a synopsis of the implications of fpu-less operation in a posting on the plan9 list archive. I was looking for a list of supported laptop hardware (which I've yet to find). good luck Stan -- Stan Norton -- norton@northsea.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 19:26:12 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78424>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:13:29 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78440>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:12:33 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:00:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Pergatory to Enlightenment via ????? Message-Id: <95Sep25.191233edt.78440@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Hmmmm. What sort of an error should I expect to see? What I get is a display > exactly like what appears running debug (in DOS). The position of the ID If you see that then it didn't find and match the string. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 19:38:06 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78446>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:25:07 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78431>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:13:13 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:08:24 -0400 Subject: Re: plan9 on a pc w/no fpu Message-Id: <95Sep25.191313edt.78431@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >From the archive From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:56:51 -0400 Subject: re: plan9 on laptop >>It is said about compiler that floating point requires hardware fpu. Does >>it mean that the system won't work with 486sx/slc, that is a frequent >>chip to install in laptops? there is no support in the 386/486 kernel for emulation of floating point. the 486sx seems to return not-a-number (NaN) for floating-point operations, if the processor is not set to trap on floating point operations (and plan 9 does not set that bit). although the bulk of the system will function quite happily without a floating-point unit, there are important exceptions. sometimes these are surprising. it has been some time since i tried a 486sx on the cpu/terminal kernel, but i believe that either 8c or 8l will fail. one of the more surprising programs to fail is troff, which now uses floating-point (at least, it did in the old release, and i don't think that's changed). less surprising failures include awk. the window system and editors weren't a problem. ... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 19:51:20 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78431>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:42:14 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78486>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:41:26 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <9713>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:38:27 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: Re: Correct use of bind and fs/tarfs? Cc: fashford@crl.com Message-Id: <95Sep25.193827edt.9713@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:38:23 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Frank Ashford wrote: > I've got an Archive Viper 150 Meg QIC drive attached to an Adaptec 1542C > that I am able to move the tape around using scuzz. I want to start reading > and writing data to it from rc. I did the following --> > > I am able to bind the SCSI controller with: > bind '#S' /dev > > This produces directories 0 though 7 and scsiid in my /dev directory. > I get no errors from: > fs/tarfs -m /n/tapefs /dev/3 > I am unable to: > tar -cvf /n/tapefs * > Have I missed something completely? Perhaps. My reading of the manpages tells me that tarfs can be used to mount a tape read-only as a file system. Thus, if you have a tar-format tape, you could mount it with tarfs and then use cd, grep, diff and other traditional tools to look around on the tape and grab whatever you want. In this way, tarfs and family is a lot like ftpfs - they give you a filesystem-oriented way of looking at things that people don't usually think of as filesystems; this is Plan 9 after all. To write the tape, you'll have to use tar, not tarfs. Also, you'll probably want a slightly higher-level interface that scsi(3), as it requires you to send the commands and data using separate files. Read the manual for scuzz(8), which seems to be more suited to the task. I haven't tried any of the above, so don't take it as gospel. I've been using u9fs to copy files to a Unix system (boo, hiss) for backup. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 20:04:32 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78438>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:56:28 -0400 Received: from sphinx ([129.138.6.92]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78424>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:55:56 -0400 Received: from charon.cs.nmt.edu (charon.cs.nmt.edu [129.138.6.90]) by sphinx (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA11357 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:55:44 -0600 Received: (cort@localhost) by charon.cs.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.9) id RAA05884 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:55:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199509252355.RAA05884@charon.cs.nmt.edu> From: cort@cs.nmt.edu (Cort) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:55:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: 9fans Subject: dvorak keyboard layout Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Is there a way to swap keys around to emulate a dvorak keyboard with a normal one? I couldn't find anything in the man pages of documentation I have. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 20:17:12 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78448>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 20:07:12 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78446>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 20:06:47 -0400 From: Boyd Roberts Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:53:07 -0400 To: 9fans Cc: fashford@crl.com Subject: Re: Correct use of bind and fs/tarfs? In-Reply-To: <199509251905.AA22719@mail.crl.com> Message-ID: <199509260953.2666.9.babov@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: Frank Ashford I am able to bind the SCSI controller with: bind '#S' /dev This produces directories 0 though 7 and scsiid in my /dev directory. I get no errors from: fs/tarfs -m /n/tapefs /dev/3 I am unable to: tar -cvf /n/tapefs * tarfs provides a read only file-system interface to a tar file. /n/tapefs is a directory which tar will not like. you just want to run tar straight onto the device (/dev/?/data) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 20:28:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78438>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 20:22:19 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78424>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 20:22:03 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 20:13:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Success w/ Diamond Stealth VLB ? Message-Id: <95Sep25.202203edt.78424@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In general, there are at least three things you need to know: VGA chip RAMDAC clock generator Even then, you need to know how they interact. What did the /lib/vgadb entry you tried look like? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 22:11:48 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78438>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:02:44 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78431>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:02:28 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 21:57:49 -0400 Subject: re: dvorak keyboard layout Message-Id: <95Sep25.220228edt.78431@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Nope, hack kbd.c. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 20:06:55 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78438>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:56:28 -0400 Received: from sphinx ([129.138.6.92]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78424>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:55:56 -0400 Received: from charon.cs.nmt.edu (charon.cs.nmt.edu [129.138.6.90]) by sphinx (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA11357 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:55:44 -0600 Received: (cort@localhost) by charon.cs.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.9) id RAA05884 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:55:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199509252355.RAA05884@charon.cs.nmt.edu> From: cort@cs.nmt.edu (Cort) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:55:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: dvorak keyboard layout Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is there a way to swap keys around to emulate a dvorak keyboard with a normal one? I couldn't find anything in the man pages of documentation I have. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 22:39:01 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78448>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:30:28 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78446>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:30:12 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:25:46 -0400 Message-Id: <95Sep25.223012edt.78446@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Here's a partial list of systems Plan 9 runs on. This is just system/mother boards, not cards in those machines. non-portables ------------- Dell 433TE Dell Omniplex 560/L AT&T 6386/SX WGS (expected since that's what I did the orignal port for) Gateway 2000's (4DX-{33,66}V) - we've since added 100 MHz ships to these portables --------- Globalyst 250/NEC Versa M (same machine, 2 retailers) TI Travelmate/Gateway Nomad (same machine, 2 retailers) ARM motherboard processor chipset ----------- --------- ------- AMI Enterprise III 486 DX2/66 SIS AMI Enterprise IV 486 DX2/66 SIS AMI Excalibur Pentium 60 Mercury ASUS PCI/E-P54NP4 Pentium 90 Neptune Gigabyte GA586-ID Pentium 90 Neptune Intel Advanced/MN Pentium 75 Triton *Gigabyte GA586-AT Pentium 133 Triton * is new, reliability unknown as yet >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Sep 25 22:57:25 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78446>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:50:29 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78438>; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:50:14 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:43:43 -0400 Message-Id: <95Sep25.225014edt.78438@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Gateway 2000's (4DX-{33,66}V) - we've since added 100 MHz ships to these as befits a boat-anchor... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 00:40:09 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78453>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:26:47 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78446>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:26:31 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <1013>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:26:21 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: differences between cdrom and pcdist Message-Id: <95Sep26.002621edt.1013@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:26:21 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I noticed that /386/bin/ar /386/bin/ftpfs and /386/bin/sed are different between the cdrom and pcdist, but couldn't find any mention of bug fixes or other changes in the errata or updates area. Are there source patches? Also, /sys/include/a.out.h and /sys/include/mach.h include definitions for an AMD 29000 platform. Which systems use that processor? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 05:19:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78476>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:08:52 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78470>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:08:30 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:07:52 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:11:35 -0400 From: Jean Mehat Message-ID: <447ngn$9a3@cleopatre.pasteur.fr> Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris Subject: [A] plan9 & linux Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Here is a summary of what I learned, installing the pcdist plan9 on my machine this week end. It is absolutely necessary to have a dos system to boot plan9 after the disk1 installation. Simple schemes to have lilo load the plan9\b.com, /boot or boot sector of the plan9 partition won't work. On the disk, plan9 uses the space at the end of the disk unclaimed in the partition table ; it doesn't clobber linux partitions. Have a spare partition at the end of the disk, delete it via fdisk, install plan9's 4 disks (it goes in the deleted partition), re-create the partition if you want. Configuring vga for my tseng et4000 card was much easier than configuring Xfree. I just had to change a version number in vgadb. My mouse uses the MouseSystem protocol (msc for gpm); but plan9 (vga?) didn't recognize the mouse type. Another mouse, using the same protocol works fine though. It is possible to exchange file between plan9 and linux by the dos partition, that is accessed in plan9 as /n/c: BE CAREFUL. As far as I know, these informations are exact, but I am no Linux guru and a real plan9 newbie. -- Jean Mehat, universite de Paris 8 Vincennes a Saint Denis, jm@univ-paris8.fr, (1) 49 40 64 03, (1) 49 40 67 83 (fax) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 05:25:18 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78470>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:18:15 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78471>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:08:31 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:07:53 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 21:52:21 -0400 From: "Jesse M. Hammons" Message-ID: <447mcl$bhu@cnn.Princeton.EDU> Organization: Princeton University Subject: name resolution Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have edited and re-edited /lib/ndb/local and I can't figure out how to get hostname resolution working. This breaks things like mothra, which need to look up hostnames. All the other net stuff works fine, I can telnet and use ftpfs, as long as I know the IP address of the machine I want to connect to. Any advice ? I'm using this for host jhammons.student.princeton.edu with ipaddr 140.180.150.152, gateway 140.180.128.1, netmask 255.255.224.0 and nameserver 140.180.128.58. dom= ns=dormserver.princeton.edu dom=dormserver.princeton.edu ip=140.180.128.53 sys = jhammons dom=jhammons.student.princeton.edu ip=140.180.150.152 ether=0080AD082589 ipmask=255.255.224.0 ipnet=dormnet ip=140.180.128.0 ipmask=255.255.224.0 ipgw=140.180.128.1 [followed by protocols, etc] thanks, - Jesse >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 05:32:04 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78471>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:24:44 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78472>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:08:48 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:07:53 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 04:00:37 -0400 From: Al Slater Message-ID: Organization: Hewlett-Packard References: <43t68d$26l@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Subject: Re: plan9 install Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Serge S. Maleyev (serg@klara.weizmann.ac.IL) wrote: : Maier David (maierd@bvsd.k12.co.US) wrote: : : I first booted with the first disk of the ftp version on plan9 and : : it installed without any problems, but when I went into plan9 : : (c:\>plan9\b) and tried to install the other disks it said that there was : : an error, or insuficent disk space, but i know that ther are 250 megs : : free on my 340 meg IDE hard disk. Do I need more space, or is it : : configured wrong? : : [ Most likly it is configured wrong. You need to have free space beyond the : : dos partition, not within it -- mod ] What might be helpful, or rather when I eventually took the install docs literally, is NOT to format the partition you intend to put Plan9 on, otherwise it thinks it hasnt got one and will come back with the message about not enough free space. cheers, al (ObSemiSensibleQuestion: I've seen mentioned that Plan9 goes okay on laptops-and although not after specific vendor endorsements (:) any got any suggestions for a nice off the shelf laptop that it'll go okay on?, and further to which---SCSI on laptops?) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 05:39:07 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78472>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:30:34 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78475>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:08:50 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:07:52 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 21:35:48 -0400 From: "Jesse M. Hammons" Message-ID: <447ldk$b7o@cnn.Princeton.EDU> Organization: Princeton University References: <95Sep25.202203edt.78424@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Success w/ Diamond Stealth VLB ? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <95Sep25.202203edt.78424@colossus.cse.psu.edu>, <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote: >In general, there are at least three things you need to know: > VGA chip > RAMDAC > clock generator >Even then, you need to know how they interact. > >What did the /lib/vgadb entry you tried look like? > here is the entry: ctlr 0xC0060=" Diamond Computer Systems" link=vga hwgc=s3hwgc ramdac=att20c490 link=s3clock clock=icd2061a ctlr=s3805 link=ibm8514 I hacked this entry together by looking at other entries and by doing some guessing. As I said before, the ramdac is actually Diamond's SS2410, but it is (somewhat) compatible with the att20c490. when I start aux/vga it recognizes the card (i.e., it finds that string in RAM but the display is funky. I get what looks like a split screen, and the top half and bottom half are the same, with some other wierd stuff. It's hard to describe, but in my experience these symptoms are evidence of a timing problem. I've read the the order in entry is the order in which the init functions are called. Maybe I should try reording them ? thanks, - Jesse >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 05:43:54 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34091>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:16:33 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34089>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:15:56 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:15:06 -0400 subject: keyboard layout Message-Id: <95Sep26.051556edt.34089@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Is there a way to swap keys around to emulate a dvorak keyboard with a >>normal one? i've got small changes to kbd.c and a rudimentary #κ device that exports a kbmap file. you can echo things to it to change some of the maps. i haven't yet defined a sensible interface between it and kbd.c; currently it is PC only, but that should change. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 05:59:47 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34089>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:44:40 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34092>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:41:39 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:24:34 -0400 subject: fast cut & paste Message-Id: <95Sep26.054139edt.34092@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Menu items should have hotkeys. Cut / paste is faster and more >>accurate with one hand on the mouse and one on the hotkeys. 8½ follows acme: while selecting text, with button 1 down, you can hit button 2 to cut and/or button 3 to paste. in acme, each button acts as Undo for the other. compare to raising a menu, it feels as though you are grabbing text from the screen. sam as distributed lacks it, but mhw@minster.york.ac.uk had changes to add it. they should reappear eventually. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 07:05:07 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78477>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:56:45 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78475>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:56:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:44:47 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: keyboard layout Message-Id: <95Sep26.065623edt.78475@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >i've got small changes to kbd.c and a rudimentary #κ device that exports >a kbmap file. you can echo things to it to change some of the maps. >i haven't yet defined a sensible interface between it and kbd.c; >currently it is PC only, but that should change. Pethaps it would be better if all the key translation was done in user mode? This is what the Id people want anyway, and it would make handling different types of keyboards (eg all the different Sun keyboards) easier, plus the Compose Character stuff could be changed without changing the kernel. Problems with this idea: need some way of bootstrapping (need to be able to type before the connection to the file server is established), and it kind of kills ^T^Tr. Well, it's just a thought! >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 07:13:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78475>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 07:05:27 -0400 Received: from halcyon.com ([198.137.231.21]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78480>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 07:05:09 -0400 Received: by halcyon.com id AA13693 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 04:04:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 07:04:51 -0400 From: Russell Wilcoxon Message-Id: <199509261104.AA13693@halcyon.com> To: 9fans Subject: Re: SCSI driver for Adaptec 2742T? Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 References: <95Sep24.234108edt.78427@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In comp.os.plan9 you write: >None that I know of. Someone should probably do it as the Adaptec 2xxx controllers >are fairly popular. However, it's unlikely to be me as > 1) I tried again to get the manuals only to receive the "User's Guide" > like I did 2 years ago and on further inquiry discover the useful > manuals are all on back-order; Some brilliant corporate budgeting scheme I'd guess. > 2) I don't have a controller and they do seem rather expensive compared > to the NCR8xx alternatives with similar performance; I grabbed mine for $125 at a computer store going out of buisness sale. > 3) I looked at the Linux driver after this question came up last time > and got frightened. I've got no chance at hacking it over as I can't compile for plan9. Oh well, just hoping. -Russ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 09:08:19 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34103>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:51:18 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34102>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:50:44 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:26:49 -0400 subject: sam hint Message-Id: <95Sep26.085044edt.34102@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>BTW:- why doesn't sam clean its window up properly on exit, acme and mothra >> do so, it was like this in the previous release too - i would have >> thought it would have been tidied up by now. that reminds me: new plan 9 users might not be aware of the following way to use sam. it works on plan 9 but also on some unix systems. in my window system startup file, i typically create one window of significant size in which i run sam. that remains on screen until i log out (subject to `Hide' in 8½ or 9wm). as i wander about the system in other windows, i use the B command (see sam(1)) to throw files into it for editing. on slow terminals, the single sam instance can be invoked as sam -r $cpu. using this method, you are also rarely bothered by windows containing the remnants of an instance of sam. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 10:24:02 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78471>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:12:26 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78470>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:12:10 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:53:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Success w/ Diamond Stealth VLB ? Message-Id: <95Sep26.101210edt.78470@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ctlr 0xC0060=" Diamond Computer Systems" link=vga hwgc=s3hwgc ramdac=att20c490 link=s3clock clock=icd2061a ctlr=s3805 link=ibm8514 that looks reasonable, although i'd take out the hwgc line until the rest of it works. altering the order is sometimes necessary, depends on the hardware just how things are connected and settle after changes. it may also be a problem with it being a VLB card, never tried one of those before. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 10:33:43 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78475>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:25:16 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78502>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:24:42 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:08:09 -0400 Subject: re: differences between cdrom and pcdist Message-Id: <95Sep26.102442edt.78502@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans not all changes have make it out, the important ones have. the pcdist binaries come from the running system. there are no systems using the 29000, there was interest at one time in writing some code for an embedded product. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 00:42:37 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78453>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:26:47 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78446>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:26:31 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <1013>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:26:21 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: differences between cdrom and pcdist Message-Id: <95Sep26.002621edt.1013@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:26:21 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I noticed that /386/bin/ar /386/bin/ftpfs and /386/bin/sed are different between the cdrom and pcdist, but couldn't find any mention of bug fixes or other changes in the errata or updates area. Are there source patches? Also, /sys/include/a.out.h and /sys/include/mach.h include definitions for an AMD 29000 platform. Which systems use that processor? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 12:05:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78483>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:49:55 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78475>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:49:38 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:47:48 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:10:53 -0400 From: Bob LaGesse Message-ID: <44955t$emo@meaddata.meaddata.com> Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Subject: Installing Plan 9 on end of 2nd IDE drive Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The subject line above pretty much says it all. The only free disk space that I have available is at the end of my second IDE drive on my system. Will I be able to boot to it? Or can I boot from a floppy which would point to Plan 9 on my second drive? If this is possible, what files (or whatever) would need to be changed and what would those changes be? BTW, I have a 486/33 DX with 20Mbytes RAM, 2 - 330Mbyte IDE disk drives, Orchid F1280 VGA and Mitsumi FX-200D CDROM. TIA! -- Bob LaGesse bobl@lexis-nexis.com LEXIS-NEXIS Dayton, Ohio (513)865-7384 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 12:27:08 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78499>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:14:31 -0400 Received: from lamb.sas.com ([192.35.83.8]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78520>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:09:20 -0400 Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/01-23-95) id AA13029; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:55:52 -0400 Received: from borel.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA22302; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:55:39 -0400 Received: by borel.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA17793; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:55:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:55:38 -0400 From: David Kelley Message-Id: <199509261555.AA17793@borel.unx.sas.com> To: 9fans Subject: newbie questions Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>>>> "Jesse" == Jesse M Hammons writes: Jesse> I have edited and re-edited /lib/ndb/local and I can't figure Jesse> out how to get hostname resolution working. [...] Jesse> sys = jhammons dom=jhammons.student.princeton.edu Jesse> ip=140.180.150.152 ether=0080AD082589 ipmask=255.255.224.0 Jesse> ipnet=dormnet ip=140.180.128.0 ipmask=255.255.224.0 Jesse> ipgw=140.180.128.1 [followed by protocols, etc] While we're talking /lib/ndb/local, I'll ask if anyone could post a /lib/ndb/local SLIP/PPP configuration example as well. And a chat script also? How far off the mark is a /lib/ndb/local like: # domain nameserver dom= ns=dizzy.unx.sas.com dom=dizzy.unx.sas.com ip=149.173.52.113 # local system sys = 9lives ip=127.0.0.1 # SLIP/PPP server sys = sasdck dom=sasdck.sas.slip.com ip=192.42.243.117 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=192.42.243.1 [...] Unrelated newbie questions (I just installed the pcdist.): -- I'm using the clgd542x controller with my clgd5430 video card. Works OK at 1024x768x8. No color however; can that be helped? -- Does the latest 'prep' work with Linux partitions? I'd like to install the CD-ROM dist at the end of my second drive, which contains Linux swap, root and usr partitions -- no DOS. I have the pcdist at the end of my first drive. Thanks for any assistance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David W. Kelley phone: (919) 677-8000 x6052 SAS Institute, Inc. fax: (919) 677-8123 SAS Campus Drive e-mail: sasdck@unx.sas.com Cary, NC 27513 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 12:48:51 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78506>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:37:15 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78572>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:34:41 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:01:33 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:17:48 -0400 From: "J. C. Bagley" Message-ID: Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Subject: Adaptec AHA-2940/2940W Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm trying to install Plan9 on a Dell Pentium 120MHz with 32 Megs of RAM and 2 gigs of disk space. I cannot find the SCSI adapter in the supported list. I've tried all of them and none work. After looking at various Plan9 FAQ's, I'm still stumped. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, J. C. Bagley >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 17:31:45 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34159>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:12:02 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34158>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:11:25 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:09:57 -0400 subject: seq_within Message-Id: <95Sep26.171125edt.34158@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans does anyone else think the definition of seq_within in /sys/src/9/port/tcpinput.c is wrong? i think the test when low > high should be if(x >= low || x <= high) not if(low >= x && x >= high) i think as it stands it is checking the wrong interval. consider its application in seq_within(seg.ack, tcb->snd.una+1, tcb->snd.nxt) tcb->snd.una+1 > tcb->snd.nxt when the sequence numbers have wrapped round zero, increasing from tcb->snd.una+1 past ~0 to 0 then on to tcb->snd.nxt. in other words, the valid ack sequence numbers are those in [tcb->snd.una+1, ~0] ∪ [0, tcb->snd.nxt] not (as seq_within currently has it) those in [tcb->snd.nxt, tcb->snd.una+1] >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 19:54:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78501>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:41:44 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78520>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:41:28 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:35:45 -0400 Subject: re: Installing Plan 9 on end of 2nd IDE drive Message-Id: <95Sep26.194128edt.78520@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans it should be possible. references in the plan9.ini (which will still be on the first hard drive or the floppy) will be of the form 'hd!1' or 'h!1' instead of 'hd!0' or 'h!0'. at least, that's the theory... ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 12:07:58 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78483>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:49:55 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78475>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:49:38 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:47:48 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:10:53 -0400 From: Bob LaGesse Message-ID: <44955t$emo@meaddata.meaddata.com> Organization: LEXIS-NEXIS, Dayton OH Subject: Installing Plan 9 on end of 2nd IDE drive Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The subject line above pretty much says it all. The only free disk space that I have available is at the end of my second IDE drive on my system. Will I be able to boot to it? Or can I boot from a floppy which would point to Plan 9 on my second drive? If this is possible, what files (or whatever) would need to be changed and what would those changes be? BTW, I have a 486/33 DX with 20Mbytes RAM, 2 - 330Mbyte IDE disk drives, Orchid F1280 VGA and Mitsumi FX-200D CDROM. TIA! -- Bob LaGesse bobl@lexis-nexis.com LEXIS-NEXIS Dayton, Ohio (513)865-7384 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Sep 26 20:04:51 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78527>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:55:36 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78525>; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:54:28 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:39:47 -0400 Subject: re: newbie questions Message-Id: <95Sep26.195428edt.78525@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans -- Does the latest 'prep' work with Linux partitions? I'd like to install the CD-ROM dist at the end of my second drive, which contains Linux swap, root and usr partitions -- no DOS. theory says it'll work. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 03:20:12 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 03:40:35 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 04:22:54 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 04:59:51 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:48:27 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:45:13 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29428; 27 Sep 95 4:40 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:40:30 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270440.aa29428@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:10:03 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA08899 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:37:34 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 05:39:05 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:26:08 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:19:51 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29928; 27 Sep 95 5:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:08:24 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270508.aa29928@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:40:30 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA10459 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:06:42 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:48:27 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:45:13 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29428; 27 Sep 95 4:40 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:40:30 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270440.aa29428@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:10:03 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA08899 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:37:34 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 06:19:21 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:06:24 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ac01068; 27 Sep 95 5:58 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:58:54 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270558.ac01068@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:08:24 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA12768 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:57:02 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:26:08 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:19:51 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29928; 27 Sep 95 5:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:08:24 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270508.aa29928@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:40:30 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA10459 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:06:42 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:48:27 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:45:13 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29428; 27 Sep 95 4:40 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:40:30 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270440.aa29428@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:10:03 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA08899 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:37:34 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 06:56:40 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78368>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:47:30 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:43:01 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa02250; 27 Sep 95 6:38 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:38:51 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270638.aa02250@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:58:54 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id GAA14620 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 06:37:01 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:06:24 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ac01068; 27 Sep 95 5:58 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:58:54 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270558.ac01068@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:08:24 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA12768 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:57:02 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:26:08 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:19:51 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29928; 27 Sep 95 5:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:08:24 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270508.aa29928@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:40:30 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA10459 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:06:42 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:48:27 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:45:13 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29428; 27 Sep 95 4:40 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:40:30 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270440.aa29428@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:10:03 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA08899 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:37:34 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 07:22:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:13:01 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:10:39 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa02791; 27 Sep 95 7:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:08:37 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270708.aa02791@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 06:38:51 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id HAA15704 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 07:06:57 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78368>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:47:30 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:43:01 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa02250; 27 Sep 95 6:38 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:38:51 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270638.aa02250@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:58:54 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id GAA14620 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 06:37:01 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:06:24 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ac01068; 27 Sep 95 5:58 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:58:54 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270558.ac01068@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:08:24 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA12768 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:57:02 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:26:08 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:19:51 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29928; 27 Sep 95 5:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:08:24 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270508.aa29928@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:40:30 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA10459 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:06:42 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:48:27 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:45:13 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29428; 27 Sep 95 4:40 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:40:30 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270440.aa29428@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:10:03 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA08899 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:37:34 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 08:02:53 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78374>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:51:54 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:50:16 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa03384; 27 Sep 95 7:39 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:39:49 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270739.aa03384@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 07:08:37 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id HAA17314 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 07:37:44 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:13:01 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:10:39 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa02791; 27 Sep 95 7:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:08:37 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270708.aa02791@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 06:38:51 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id HAA15704 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 07:06:57 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78368>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:47:30 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:43:01 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa02250; 27 Sep 95 6:38 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:38:51 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270638.aa02250@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:58:54 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id GAA14620 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 06:37:01 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:06:24 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ac01068; 27 Sep 95 5:58 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:58:54 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270558.ac01068@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:08:24 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA12768 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:57:02 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:26:08 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:19:51 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29928; 27 Sep 95 5:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:08:24 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270508.aa29928@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:40:30 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA10459 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:06:42 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:48:27 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:45:13 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29428; 27 Sep 95 4:40 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:40:30 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270440.aa29428@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:10:03 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA08899 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:37:34 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 08:28:15 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78373>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:18:52 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78377>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:15:50 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa03934; 27 Sep 95 8:09 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:09:13 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270809.aa03934@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 07:39:49 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id IAA19531 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 08:07:04 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78374>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:51:54 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:50:16 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa03384; 27 Sep 95 7:39 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:39:49 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270739.aa03384@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 07:08:37 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id HAA17314 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 07:37:44 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:13:01 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:10:39 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa02791; 27 Sep 95 7:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:08:37 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270708.aa02791@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 06:38:51 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id HAA15704 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 07:06:57 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78368>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:47:30 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:43:01 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa02250; 27 Sep 95 6:38 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:38:51 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270638.aa02250@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:58:54 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id GAA14620 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 06:37:01 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:06:24 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ac01068; 27 Sep 95 5:58 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:58:54 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270558.ac01068@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:08:24 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA12768 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:57:02 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:26:08 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:19:51 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29928; 27 Sep 95 5:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:08:24 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270508.aa29928@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:40:30 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA10459 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:06:42 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:48:27 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:45:13 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29428; 27 Sep 95 4:40 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:40:30 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270440.aa29428@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:10:03 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA08899 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:37:34 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 09:07:03 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78391>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:55:32 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78375>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:46:22 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab04643; 27 Sep 95 8:41 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:41:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270841.ab04643@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 08:09:13 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id IAA21824 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 08:37:55 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78373>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:18:52 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78377>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:15:50 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa03934; 27 Sep 95 8:09 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:09:13 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270809.aa03934@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 07:39:49 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id IAA19531 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 08:07:04 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78374>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:51:54 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:50:16 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa03384; 27 Sep 95 7:39 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:39:49 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270739.aa03384@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 07:08:37 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id HAA17314 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 07:37:44 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:13:01 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:10:39 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa02791; 27 Sep 95 7:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:08:37 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270708.aa02791@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 06:38:51 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id HAA15704 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 07:06:57 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78368>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:47:30 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:43:01 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa02250; 27 Sep 95 6:38 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:38:51 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270638.aa02250@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:58:54 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id GAA14620 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 06:37:01 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:06:24 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ac01068; 27 Sep 95 5:58 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:58:54 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270558.ac01068@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:08:24 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA12768 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:57:02 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:26:08 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78369>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:19:51 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29928; 27 Sep 95 5:08 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:08:24 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270508.aa29928@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:40:30 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA10459 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 05:06:42 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78366>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:48:27 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:45:13 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa29428; 27 Sep 95 4:40 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:40:30 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270440.aa29428@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 04:10:03 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA08899 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:37:34 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 09:39:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78375>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:28:39 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78413>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:22:43 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:06:54 -0400 Subject: re: where is 'find'? Message-Id: <95Sep27.092243edt.78413@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans du -a | grep ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 03:21:09 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 11:18:13 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:06:52 -0400 Received: from mail.swip.net ([192.71.180.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:06:36 -0400 Received: from bull.se by mail.swip.net (8.6.8/3.01) id QAA22868; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:13:10 +0100 Received: from comserv.bull.se by bull.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sxy3O-0000xAC; Wed, 27 Sep 95 16:05 MET Received: from ml by comserv.bull.se with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0sxy7E-0000vQC; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:09 MET Received: by ml.link.bull.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sxy44-000AxJC; Wed, 27 Sep 95 16:06 MET Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:06:00 -0400 From: mkc@bull.se To: 9fans Subject: sam hint In-Reply-To: <95Sep26.085044edt.34102@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> References: <95Sep26.085044edt.34102@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk writes: > in my window system startup file, i typically create one window of > significant size in which i run sam. that remains on screen until i > log out (subject to `Hide' in 8½ or 9wm). as i wander about the > system in other windows, i use the B command (see sam(1)) to throw > files into it for editing. I found the scripts for B for Bourne shell and rc somewhere, but at that time I only downloaded the Bourne version, which I still have, and now I don't seem to find the place I snarfed them from. I have gone through the Bell Labs FTP site, but I wasn't able to find them there. Where can I find an rc version of B that will work under Plan 9? The Bourne shell version I have makes use of a temporary file to send commands to sam. The file is named after the user and the DISPLAY variable. I figured that the rc script available was for Unix systems, too. Is it possible to use the same script under Unix and Plan 9? I find that strange. Mikael Cardell Systems Engineer Telco Solutions, System Integration Services Bull Northern Europe >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 11:33:29 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78385>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:21:41 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78404>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:17:45 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa06655; 27 Sep 95 10:07 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:07:25 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509271007.aa06655@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 09:06:54 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id KAA01479 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 10:00:38 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78375>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:28:39 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78413>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:22:43 -0400 From: presotto@helix.research.att.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:06:54 -0400 Subject: re: where is 'find'? Message-Id: <95Sep27.092243edt.78413@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu du -a | grep ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 03:21:09 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 11:47:43 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78394>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:37:03 -0400 Received: from postman.ncube.com ([134.242.8.47]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78402>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:34:49 -0400 Received: from pejs.ncube.com by postman.ncube.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23220; Wed, 27 Sep 95 08:25:16 PDT Received: from pejs by pejs.ncube.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10762; Wed, 27 Sep 95 08:26:07 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:26:07 -0400 From: Steve Hemminger Subject: Re: where is 'find'? To: 9fans In-Reply-To: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I use a script called walk: #!/bin/rc d=$1 shift for (f in `{du $d | awk '{print $2}' | sort -r}) { @{ cd $f; $* } } >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 11:58:44 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78401>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:46:38 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78400>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:34:54 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:26:43 -0400 Subject: re: sam hint Message-Id: <95Sep27.113454edt.78400@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Where can I find an rc version of B that will work under Plan 9? The the full kit includes /rc/bin/B which (unsurprisingly) works under plan 9. plan 9's sam puts one end of a pipe in /srv. the B.rc in the unix plan 9 distribution is not the same as the plan 9 version. i don't know whether the four diskette version includes /rc/bin/B. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 12:10:11 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78399>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:57:39 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78414>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:35:10 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:29:11 -0400 Subject: re: sam hint Message-Id: <95Sep27.113510edt.78414@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans #!/bin/rc files=() dest=() line='' if(~ $#* 0){ echo usage: B file ... >[1=2] exit usage } if(test -f /mnt/term/srv/sam.$user) dest = /mnt/term/srv/sam.$user if not if(test -f /srv/sam.$user) dest = /srv/sam.$user if not { echo B: can''''t find sam server file >[1=2] exit open } for(i) switch($i){ case /* files = ( $files $i ) case -* line = `{echo $i | sed 's/.//' } case * files = ( $files `{pwd}^/$i ) } echo B $files >> $dest if(! ~ $line '') echo $line >> $dest ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 11:22:43 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:06:52 -0400 Received: from mail.swip.net ([192.71.180.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:06:36 -0400 Received: from bull.se by mail.swip.net (8.6.8/3.01) id QAA22868; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:13:10 +0100 Received: from comserv.bull.se by bull.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sxy3O-0000xAC; Wed, 27 Sep 95 16:05 MET Received: from ml by comserv.bull.se with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0sxy7E-0000vQC; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:09 MET Received: by ml.link.bull.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sxy44-000AxJC; Wed, 27 Sep 95 16:06 MET Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:06:00 -0400 From: mkc@bull.se To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: sam hint In-Reply-To: <95Sep26.085044edt.34102@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> References: <95Sep26.085044edt.34102@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk writes: > in my window system startup file, i typically create one window of > significant size in which i run sam. that remains on screen until i > log out (subject to `Hide' in 8½ or 9wm). as i wander about the > system in other windows, i use the B command (see sam(1)) to throw > files into it for editing. I found the scripts for B for Bourne shell and rc somewhere, but at that time I only downloaded the Bourne version, which I still have, and now I don't seem to find the place I snarfed them from. I have gone through the Bell Labs FTP site, but I wasn't able to find them there. Where can I find an rc version of B that will work under Plan 9? The Bourne shell version I have makes use of a temporary file to send commands to sam. The file is named after the user and the DISPLAY variable. I figured that the rc script available was for Unix systems, too. Is it possible to use the same script under Unix and Plan 9? I find that strange. Mikael Cardell Systems Engineer Telco Solutions, System Integration Services Bull Northern Europe >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 12:38:46 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78431>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:28:17 -0400 Received: from ece.arizona.edu ([128.196.28.166]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78440>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:11:57 -0400 Received: from helios.ece.arizona.edu by ece.arizona.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA15209; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:51:16 -0700 Received: by helios.ece.arizona.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15693; Wed, 27 Sep 95 08:51:17 MST Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:51:16 -0400 From: Michael Yockey To: 9fans Subject: Re: seq_within In-Reply-To: <95Sep26.171125edt.34158@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE content-length: 2015 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans here's how i interpret the logic of the proposed code: if low is greater than high, then 'low' assumes the high value, and=20 'high' assumes the low value. (in effect, swap low and high) > =09=09if(low >=3D x && x >=3D high) the original executes if: high is greater than x (x is less than the upper bound) AND x is greater than the lower bound=20 so the original executes if x is within the desired range. (remember i am swapping low and high because of the assumption low>high) the proposed change executes if: > =09=09if(x >=3D low || x <=3D high) x is greater than the upper bound=20 OR x is less than the lower bound so the proposed change executes if x is outside the range set by high and= =20 low. (remember the assumption that low > high) i don't know enough to know what this code is for (or does!) but i hope=20 my interpretation does some good. Mike Mike Yockey=09=09=09myockey@ece.arizona.edu UNIX System Administrator=09Electrical and Computer Engineering Department The University of Arizona=09Tucson, Arizona page me: page_mike@vanzandt.amd.com "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change." *** This message contains a minimum of 15% post-consumer electrons. *** On Tue, 26 Sep 1995 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk wrote: > does anyone else think the definition of seq_within in /sys/src/9/port/tc= pinput.c > is wrong? i think the test when low > high should be > =09=09if(x >=3D low || x <=3D high) > not > =09=09if(low >=3D x && x >=3D high) >=20 > i think as it stands it is checking the wrong interval. consider its app= lication in >=20 > =09seq_within(seg.ack, tcb->snd.una+1, tcb->snd.nxt) >=20 >=20 > tcb->snd.una+1 > tcb->snd.nxt when the sequence numbers have wrapped roun= d zero, > increasing from tcb->snd.una+1 past ~0 to 0 then on to tcb->snd.nxt. > in other words, the valid ack sequence numbers are those in > =09[tcb->snd.una+1, ~0] =E2=88=AA [0, tcb->snd.nxt] > not (as seq_within currently has it) those in > =09[tcb->snd.nxt, tcb->snd.una+1] >=20 >=20 >=20 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 13:42:29 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78394>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:29:15 -0400 Received: from ns.Novell.COM ([137.65.1.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78418>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:25:05 -0400 Received: from zeus.USG.Provo.Novell.COM by ns.Novell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26809; Wed, 27 Sep 95 11:11:18 MDT Message-Id: <9509271711.AA26809@ns.Novell.COM> Received: from kmahan by zeus.USG.Provo.Novell.COM; Wed, 27 Sep 95 11:11 MDT Subject: C&T 65545 (NEC Versa) To: 9fans Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:11:14 -0400 From: Kurt Mahan In-Reply-To: <95Sep27.113454edt.78400@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk" at Sep 27, 95 12:26:43 pm From: kurt_mahan@Novell.COM (Kurt Mahan) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 409 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Does anybody know if the Chips and Technologies 65545 vga chip is supported? I've got a NEC Versa M that uses that chip and I'd like to run it in 800x600 mode. Thanks! Kurt Mahan /* * This version of Kurt Mahan is currently being evaluated. Words he speaks * are those of him only and not those of Novell or anybody else. * * Kurt Mahan * Novell Advanced Development Group * kmahan@novell.com */ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 14:26:26 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78368>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:16:27 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78373>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:15:50 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189464>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:15:06 +0100 Received: from styx by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15802; Wed, 27 Sep 95 19:14:54 +0100 Message-Id: <9509271814.AA15802@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by styx (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA02228; Wed, 27 Sep 95 19:14:48 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2.RR) From: Hans-Peter Bischof Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:14:46 -0400 To: plan9-fans Subject: Test Only Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Test only. -hp >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 14:35:33 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78385>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:27:01 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78401>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:25:37 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02527; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:44:51 +0100 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509271444.AA02527@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Compaq machines and Plan 9 To: 9fans Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:18:43 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello, Has anyone tried a Compaq Prolinea 486/66 with Plan 9? I have seen it for a good price, and I know it's a good quality machine. Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** (c)1995 by the author. This message cannot be transferred to the Microsoft(tm) Network. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 15:08:24 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78399>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:39:42 -0400 Received: from glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk ([144.32.136.21]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78389>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:39:16 -0400 Received: from talisker.ohm.york.ac.uk ([144.32.136.89]) by glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk with smtp id m0sy1NY-0004fGC (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.10 #30.21); Wed, 27 Sep 95 19:38:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Received: by talisker.ohm.york.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA04784; Wed, 27 Sep 95 19:38:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:38:42 -0400 From: Roger Peppe To: 9fans Subject: Read Receipt Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your message regarding "Test Only" of Wed Sep 27 1995 14:14:46 -0400 was read on Wed Sep 27 1995 19:38:41 +0100. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 15:51:10 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78394>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:37:25 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78436>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:35:08 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:20:32 -0400 Subject: re: C&T 65545 (NEC Versa) Message-Id: <95Sep27.153508edt.78436@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans yes, it is. We used a versa m at the Dallas show. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 13:44:10 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78394>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:29:15 -0400 Received: from ns.Novell.COM ([137.65.1.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78418>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:25:05 -0400 Received: from zeus.USG.Provo.Novell.COM by ns.Novell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26809; Wed, 27 Sep 95 11:11:18 MDT Message-Id: <9509271711.AA26809@ns.Novell.COM> Received: from kmahan by zeus.USG.Provo.Novell.COM; Wed, 27 Sep 95 11:11 MDT Subject: C&T 65545 (NEC Versa) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:11:14 -0400 From: Kurt Mahan In-Reply-To: <95Sep27.113454edt.78400@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk" at Sep 27, 95 12:26:43 pm From: kurt_mahan@Novell.COM (Kurt Mahan) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 409 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Does anybody know if the Chips and Technologies 65545 vga chip is supported? I've got a NEC Versa M that uses that chip and I'd like to run it in 800x600 mode. Thanks! Kurt Mahan /* * This version of Kurt Mahan is currently being evaluated. Words he speaks * are those of him only and not those of Novell or anybody else. * * Kurt Mahan * Novell Advanced Development Group * kmahan@novell.com */ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 16:01:55 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78402>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:53:34 -0400 Received: from idpentium.idsoftware.com ([192.246.40.9]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78454>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:51:19 -0400 Received: from idnewt by idpentium.idsoftware.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA27396; Wed, 27 Sep 95 14:48:28 -0500 Received: by idnewt.idsoftware.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0S) id AA04068; Wed, 27 Sep 95 14:48:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:48:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9509271948.AA04068@idnewt.idsoftware.com> From: John Carmack To: 9fans Subject: Read Receipt Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.3) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your message regarding "Test Only" of Wed Sep 27 1995 14:14:46 -0400 was read on Wed Sep 27 1995 14:48:30 -0500. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 16:13:31 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78405>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:00:39 -0400 Received: from plan9.com ([204.96.25.100]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78453>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:51:31 -0400 Received: by plan9.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA00413; Wed, 27 Sep 95 11:27:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:27:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9509271827.AA00413@plan9.com> Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on colossus.cse.psu.edu: From: Peter G.Weiner ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted From: To: 9fans Subject: Read Receipt Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your message regarding "Test Only" of Wed Sep 27 1995 14:14:46 -0400 was read on Wed Sep 27 1995 11:27:46 -0700. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 16:27:37 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78406>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:12:35 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78445>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:50:11 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <10075>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:45:50 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: /dev/swap acting weird? Message-Id: <95Sep27.154550edt.10075@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:45:48 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans When my Magnum cpuserver boots, I don't have any swap configured. At that time, here's what /dev/swap reports (I'm bootes on the console): plan9% cat /dev/swap 304/4300 memory 0/19200 swap I have 2 identical disks on this system, and I used disk/prep to create a different sized swap partition on each one. However, when I use the swap command to enable swapping to these devices, the 'total available' field doesn't change at all: plan9% ls -l /dev/sd*swap --rw-rw-rw- w 0 bootes bootes 35225600 Sep 27 09:59 /dev/sd0swap --rw-rw-rw- w 8 bootes bootes 67108864 Sep 27 09:59 /dev/sd1swap plan9% swap /dev/sd0swap swap: /dev/sd0swap plan9% plan9% cat /dev/swap 305/4300 memory 0/19200 swap plan9% plan9% swap /dev/sd1swap swap: /dev/sd1swap plan9% cat /dev/swap 305/4300 memory 0/19200 swap I was expecting it to track the size of the swap partition in use. Am I missing something? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 16:40:44 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78422>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:32:22 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78397>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:45:07 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab05835; 27 Sep 95 9:29 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:30:14 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 07/25/94 34) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9509270929.ab05835@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 08:41:03 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id JAA27008 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; 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Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 06:37:01 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:06:24 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ac01068; 27 Sep 95 5:58 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:58:54 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270558.ac01068@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 05:08:24 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id FAA12768 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; 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Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:37:34 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78362>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa28865; 27 Sep 95 4:10 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:03 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270410.aa28865@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:27:07 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id EAA06696 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 04:04:24 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78364>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:28:09 -0400 Received: from ncrcan by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab27967; 27 Sep 95 3:27 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcan.canada.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <9509270327.ab27967@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No matching or similar name in the people database for 'greg.nenych'. ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans Wed Sep 27 03:11:01 0400 1995 remote from cse.psu.edu Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.attgis.com (8.7/8.7) with UUCP id DAA03688 for canada.attgis.com!greg.nenych; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Sep 95 03:23:23 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78359>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:10:30 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA02495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: where is 'find'? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject says enough, I expect. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 16:54:49 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78404>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:42:58 -0400 Received: from NeXT.COM ([129.18.1.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78479>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:29:06 -0400 Received: from day by femail.NeXT.COM (NX5.67f1/NeXT0.1-Aleph (CST $Revision: 1.17 $ $State: Exp $ amm)) id AA06166; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:22:07 -0700 From: Dan Grillo Message-Id: <9509272022.AA06166@femail.NeXT.COM> Received: by day.next.com (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X ($Revision: 1.11 $ $State: Exp $)) id AA29575; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:22:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:22:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Technical Support, NeXT Computer, Inc. To: bischof@thor.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de Subject: Re: Test Only Cc: 9fans Versions: dmail 1.9w/makemail 2.8c Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hans-Peter Bischof writes: > Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2.RR) > From: Hans-Peter Bischof > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:14:46 -0400 > To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: Test Only > Test only. > > -hp Please don't send test messages to the list. Please don't send Mail.app messages with Read Receipt turned on to the list. Thanks, --Dan -- Dan Grillo dan_grillo@next.com (415) 780-2963 Bldg 1, back, right side >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 17:25:01 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78373>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:13:16 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78455>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:06:59 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <10115>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:45:04 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: configuring icmp (for those who like to ping) Message-Id: <95Sep27.164504edt.10115@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:45:03 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Since there are neither examples nor a manpage for icmp, I thought I'd share how I set it up here. In /sys/src/9/magnum/[magnum magnumcpu], I added an entry for icmp to the device list as follows: icmp Q In that same directory, I used "mk", and then "mk 'CONF=magnumcpu'" to build the 9magnum and 9magnumcpu kernels, which I copied to my tftp area. In /rc/bin/cpurc, I added (in the case statement for my cpuserver): bind -a '#Q' /dev # icmp device aux/icmp # icmp listener and changed the last line to read: echo -n 'add tcp il udp icmp' > /net/cs and I added this to /lib/namespace: bind -a #Q /net >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 18:37:20 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78385>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:27:38 -0400 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de ([160.45.24.21]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:26:59 -0400 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from toluol.zedat.fu-berlin.de (130.133.2.21) with smtp id ; Wed, 27 Sep 95 23:22 MET Received: by toluol.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Wed, 27 Sep 95 23:22 MET Received: from uranus.central.de by odb.rhein-main.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sy4g1-0007TvC; Wed, 27 Sep 95 23:10 MET Received: by uranus.central.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sy2LR-0002oaC; Wed, 27 Sep 95 20:40 MET Message-Id: From: wigbert@uranus.central.de (Wigbert Lindenbauer) Subject: Re: Test Only To: 9fans Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:40:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9509271814.AA15802@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> from "Hans-Peter Bischof" at Sep 27, 95 02:14:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 382 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Wigbert Lindenbauer Hahnstr.56 37327 Leinefelde Ich habe mir auch plan9 bestellt. Wie kann man es per Fax registrieren ? Gibt es eine Hardwarekompatibilitaetsliste fuer plan9 fuer IBM-kompatible PC ? Wird der Adaptec AHA1522 auch unterstuetzt ? Wo kann man sich die neuesten plan9-Disketten downloaden ? In Europa ?? Vielen Dank ! Wigbert > > > > Test only. > > -hp > > >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 19:39:05 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78382>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:28:21 -0400 Received: from postman.ncube.com ([134.242.8.47]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78368>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:23:46 -0400 Received: from garcon.ncube.com by postman.ncube.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19961; Wed, 27 Sep 95 16:20:22 PDT Received: from pejs.ncube.com by garcon.ncube.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10583; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:20:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:20:20 -0400 From: sch@postman.ncube.com (Steve Hemminger) Message-Id: <9509272320.AA10583@garcon.ncube.com> To: 9fans Subject: PC not updating counters Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The PC port is not updating the counters for syscalls and interrupts: /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c 242a243 > ++m->intr; 426a428 > m->syscall++; M cJ Here is a short script to dump stats (a.l.a vmstat) #!/bin/rc switch ($#*) { case 0 count=1 interval=1 case 1 count=-1 interval=$1 case 2 count=$2 interval=$1 case * echo "Usage: $0 [ interval [count]]" exit usage } echo 'procs memory swap' echo 'r b w used/avail used/avail csw int sys pg tlb pur ld' n=0 l=(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0) while (test $n -ne $count) { ps | awk ' $6 == "Syscall" { ++r } $6 == "Ready" { ++r } $6 == "Scheding" { ++r } $6 == "Running" { ++r } $6 == "Queueing" { ++b } $6 == "Fault" { ++w } $6 == "Pageout" { ++w } END { printf "%d %d %d", r, b, w}' awk '{printf " %10s %10s", $1, $3}' From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 19:58:54 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78372>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:51:44 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78368>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:51:28 -0400 Received: from reynaldo.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.96]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14981(5)>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:50:58 PDT Received: from localhost by reynaldo.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <34952>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:50:52 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans cc: kerch@parc.xerox.com Subject: Out of VGA Hell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:50:50 -0400 From: Berry Kercheval Message-Id: <95Sep27.165052pdt.34952@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Allright! After I got my ATM driver working (for SunOS, sorry -- it's my *real* job) I spent a few minutes with the new VGA card I got after doing the trade-off "How much does Xerox pay me? What do VGA cards cost? Waitaminnit...boss? Hey boss?" So, it still doesn't start the window system automatically, but once I figured out how to type the 1/2 symbol, it came up and I can run acme and everything. Now I need a 3-button mouse. Sigh, life at the bottom of the food chain. I didn't start this to whine; I really have a question: Has anyone managed to install stuff from the Plan 9 CDROM over the net? If I mount the disc on a SunOs 4.1.3 machine, can I read the bits from bela, my plan-9 box? Or do I need to scrounge a CDROM drive too? It can be done, it will just take longer. --berry Berry Kercheval :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Sep 27 22:57:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78413>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:51:51 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78414>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:51:35 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <10140>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:51:16 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: Re: Out of VGA Hell Message-Id: <95Sep27.225116edt.10140@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:51:16 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >I didn't start this to whine; I really have a question: Has anyone managed to >install stuff from the Plan 9 CDROM over the net? If I mount the disc on a >SunOs 4.1.3 machine, can I read the bits from bela, my plan-9 box? If you can mount the cdrom on your SunOS system, you can then use tar (or whatever you prefer) to copy it to a disk. After that, you'll have to convert the filenames that are not legal for iso9660 format cd's. The full details of how to do this (from the old release, but it should work the same) are in the 'Plan 9 Installation Guide' I wrote but did not finish at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/ Once you've converted the filenames, you can use u9fs to serve the files from Unix to plan9 systems. You can then use mkfs|mkext to copy them to plan9. >Or do I need to scrounge a CDROM drive too? That will make life simpler. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 07:39:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78416>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 07:31:16 -0400 Received: from door.netcs.com ([194.120.74.246]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78561>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 04:43:43 -0400 Received: from keks.netcs.com [138.199.0.101] by door.netcs.com with SMTP (8.6.10/25-eef) id KAA10625; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:43:29 +0200 Received: by keks.netcs.com (5.67a8+/1.2-eef) id AA26082; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:43:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199509280843.AA26082@keks.netcs.com> Subject: Re: Test Only To: 9fans, wigbert@uranus.central.de Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 04:43:27 -0400 From: Oliver Korfmacher In-Reply-To: from "Wigbert Lindenbauer" at Sep 27, 95 03:40:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 867 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Wigbert Lindenbauer > Hahnstr.56 > 37327 Leinefelde > > Ich habe mir auch plan9 bestellt. > > Wie kann man es per Fax registrieren ? > > Gibt es eine Hardwarekompatibilitaetsliste fuer plan9 fuer IBM-kompatible PC ? > Wird der Adaptec AHA1522 auch unterstuetzt ? > Wo kann man sich die neuesten plan9-Disketten downloaden ? In Europa ?? > > Vielen Dank ! > > Wigbert > > > > > > > > Test only. > > > > -hp > > > > > > Sorry to say, but this list is mainly in english. Diese Liste ist im wesentlichen in englisch. Neuere Disketten gibt es wohl nicht, aber einige bug fixes bei AT&T und den anderen servern (Toronto, mal in http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Operating_Systems/Plan9/ reinschauen. Oliver Gruesse, Oliver Korfmacher (okorf@netcs.com, whois OK11 URL: http://www.netcs.com/PEOPLE/okorf.html) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 07:45:48 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78414>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 07:38:33 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78568>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 05:05:11 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:04:21 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:24:07 -0400 From: tracker@halcyon.com Message-ID: <44cirj$gqt@news.halcyon.com> Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Subject: What's gonna happen to the music comp. algorithym? Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I was wondering what would happen if that music compression algorithym was given to the FSF (Free Software Foundation.) Someone could give a video/sound compression algorithym to go with it and we could unify the WEB in the multimedia area. Good idea? The problem is that no-one is developing free standards in multi-media. It's Microsoft vs. Mac vs. OS/2 vs. NeXTSteP vs. AT&T vs. ????. Just trying to improve things, -Russ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 07:51:31 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78418>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 07:45:10 -0400 Received: from unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.17.7]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78533>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 03:36:03 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.161.1]) by unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE with SMTP id <189464>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:33:50 +0100 Received: from styx by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28616; Thu, 28 Sep 95 08:33:39 +0100 Message-Id: <9509280733.AA28616@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by styx (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA02882; Thu, 28 Sep 95 08:33:21 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Hans-Peter Bischof Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 03:33:20 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans subscribe >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 07:58:06 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78439>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 07:50:53 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78567>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 05:05:08 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host solomon.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:04:19 +0100 Original-Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@bath.ac.uk (9fans@cse.psu.edu) PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: 9fans Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:22:49 -0400 From: John Whitley Message-ID: <44cirp$ll9@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci Subject: Plan9 Kernel design Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Are there any ftp'able papers that give information on kernel design issues in Plan 9? (What I _really_ want is the BSD Demon book realized in a Plan 9 incarnation. Maybe call it the "flying saucer" book. ;-) -- John >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 08:50:02 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78430>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:39:46 -0400 Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es ([158.227.6.42]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78437>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:39:26 -0400 Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04763; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:37:56 +0100 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9509281237.AA04763@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Plan9 compatibility: Compaq Prolinea 466 To: 9fans Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:12:00 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello, I have tried the 4 diskette distribution in a Compaq Prolinea 466 and it seems to work. (Haven't installed the CD because I have had no time). The on-board SVGA is a Cirrus which doesn't appear in /lib/vgadb. However, simply by adding its BIOS signature has made it work. The signature is: (at 0xC0039) CL-GD543x PCI VGA BIOS I have made it work at 1024x768x8i and 800x600x8 without problems. However, when configuring this machine all cards must be registered in the BIOS setup. The most surprising fact is that the IRQ11 is reserved for the VGA, so if you want to use an Adaptec AHA1542C (my case) you must change the interrupt. Also, I don't know why, but some interrupts (12, for example) are "Reserved". The machine otherwise seems to work well, and also runs Linux. Borja. -- ******************************************************************* Borja Marcos | Preferred: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11, 1. izq. | Others: borjamar@mx.sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) | 100015.3502@compuserve.com SPAIN | CIS: 100015,3502 ****************************************************************** (c)1995 by the author. This message cannot be transferred to the Microsoft(tm) Network. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 12:30:44 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78468>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:21:24 -0400 Received: from relay2.swip.net ([192.71.220.18]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78464>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:21:07 -0400 Received: from bull.se by relay2.swip.net (8.6.8/2.01) id RAA08266; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:20:48 +0100 Received: from comserv.bull.se by bull.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0syLgz-0000uBC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:20 MET Received: from ml by comserv.bull.se with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0syLkp-000109C; Thu, 28 Sep 95 18:24 MET Received: by ml.link.bull.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0syLhf-000AwAC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:20 MET Received: by maja.link.bull.se (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA96172; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:18:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:18:09 -0400 From: mkc@maja.link.bull.se (Mikael Cardell) Message-Id: <9509281618.AA96172@maja.link.bull.se> To: 9fans Subject: termcap Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I asked before on the 9fans list, but no one answered. Perhaps I'm alone in a non Plan 9 environment, I don't know. What I want is some way to interact with curses programs in a Unix environment from an 8½ window. Yes, sometimes that *is* necessary, although I would much rather stay in my comfortable Plan 9 environment, using acme to edit whatever I need. What I asked for the previous time was some sort of termcap for a p9 terminal, since my TERM environment variable gets set to 'p9' if I 'con' a Unix machine. Is there such a beast? Can I get curses to work in a window? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 12:51:47 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78396>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:43:08 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78476>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:42:47 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:43:08 -0400 Subject: re: termcap Message-Id: <95Sep28.124247edt.78476@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans run hp(1) in an 8½ window. set the remote machine's term. type to whatever is appropriate for an hp2621 (on our SGI you seem to have lots of different hp2621 variants from which to choose). you might find that con or telnet sends the terminal type across the link for you, but it might not be quite right for the receiving machine. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 13:21:13 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78404>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:11:29 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78394>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:11:14 -0400 From: philw@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:06:59 -0400 Subject: re: /dev/swap acting weird? Message-Id: <95Sep28.131114edt.78394@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans the swap number in /dev/swap has nothing to do with the size of the swap partition. It is a vector of reference counts used to mangae page sharing on the disc. It is set by conf.nswap and is allocated by swapinit/swap.c at boot time. the number is reported so you can ensure the device used to swap onto is big enough. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 14:03:55 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78430>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:56:12 -0400 Received: from mail.swip.net ([192.71.180.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78404>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:55:55 -0400 Received: from bull.se by mail.swip.net (8.6.8/3.01) id TAA06571; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:02:25 +0100 Received: from comserv.bull.se by bull.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0syLiE-0000uBC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:21 MET Received: from ml by comserv.bull.se with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0syLm3-000109C; Thu, 28 Sep 95 18:25 MET Received: by ml.link.bull.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0syLit-000Ay6C; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:22 MET Received: by maja.link.bull.se (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA76758; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:19:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:19:31 -0400 From: mkc@maja.link.bull.se (Mikael Cardell) Message-Id: <9509281619.AA76758@maja.link.bull.se> To: 9fans Subject: termcap Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Oh yes, sorry if someone has allready answered my mail, please be sure to reply to mkc@bull.se, nothing else. Things has been known for not working properly lately --- I'm checking things out. In the meantime, send mail only to mkc@bull.se, NOT @maja.link... et cetera. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Sep 28 22:50:34 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78503>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:43:05 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG ([198.68.23.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78502>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:42:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (mcdermj@localhost.PEAK.ORG [127.0.0.1]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with ESMTP id TAA07257 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:42:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199509290242.TAA07257@PEAK.ORG> To: 9fans Subject: DS2100/3100? Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:42:32 -0400 From: "Jeremy C. McDermond" Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Has anybody here done any work at possibly porting Plan 9 to the Decstation 2100 or 3100? They use the MIPS R2000 processor, so in theory it should just be a simple matter of programming 8-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremy C. McDermond mcdermj@CSOS.ORST.EDU RS/6000 Technical Analyst mcdermj@PDX.Xenotropic.COM Willamette Industries, Inc. #include ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 06:58:22 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78517>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:49:32 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78516>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:49:12 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id KAA04963 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:49:21 GMT Message-Id: <199509291049.KAA04963@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: kfs corrupted? X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm using local kfs system installed from entire cdrom. After patching jmk's patch, and re-compilation of some in /sys/src/cmd, I've gotten an error messages without capability to access that directory: term# ls -l /lib/font tag = Tnone; expected Tdir. What does this mean? Can I repair this? Thanks in advance, Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 07:50:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78523>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:41:59 -0400 Received: from lethe.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.244.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78522>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:41:43 -0400 Received: (from stephen@localhost) by lethe.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA00943 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:41:56 GMT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:41:56 -0400 From: Stephen Gallimore Message-Id: <199509291241.MAA00943@lethe.leeds.ac.uk> To: 9fans Subject: Re: name resolution Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Jesse, you posted this last week sometime: >I have edited and re-edited /lib/ndb/local and I can't figure out how to >get hostname resolution working. This breaks things like mothra, which >need to look up hostnames. All the other net stuff works fine, I can telnet >and use ftpfs, as long as I know the IP address of the machine I want to >connect to. > >Any advice ? I have exactly the same problem but noticed that nobody responded to the list. Have you had a personal reply from any of the guys at AT&T ? If so could you mail me the solution (if there is one). Thanks in advance, stephen >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 09:25:23 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78531>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:16:52 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78529>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:16:36 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <9187>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:16:17 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: Re: DS2100/3100? Message-Id: <95Sep29.091617edt.9187@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:16:14 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Has anybody here done any work at possibly porting Plan 9 to the Decstation > 2100 or 3100? They use the MIPS R2000 processor, so in theory it should > just be a simple matter of programming 8-) Aren't they little-endian? If so, that may complicate things. I haven't heard of anyone working on a port. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 10:51:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78534>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:38:37 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78544>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:35:16 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:21:22 -0400 Subject: Re: name resolution Message-Id: <95Sep29.103516edt.78544@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans start ndb/dns in /bin/termrc ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 07:54:20 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78523>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:41:59 -0400 Received: from lethe.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.244.5]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78522>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:41:43 -0400 Received: (from stephen@localhost) by lethe.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA00943 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:41:56 GMT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:41:56 -0400 From: Stephen Gallimore Message-Id: <199509291241.MAA00943@lethe.leeds.ac.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: name resolution Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Jesse, you posted this last week sometime: >I have edited and re-edited /lib/ndb/local and I can't figure out how to >get hostname resolution working. This breaks things like mothra, which >need to look up hostnames. All the other net stuff works fine, I can telnet >and use ftpfs, as long as I know the IP address of the machine I want to >connect to. > >Any advice ? I have exactly the same problem but noticed that nobody responded to the list. Have you had a personal reply from any of the guys at AT&T ? If so could you mail me the solution (if there is one). Thanks in advance, stephen >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 12:26:58 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78536>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:16:50 -0400 Received: from ece.arizona.edu ([128.196.28.166]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78503>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:13:39 -0400 Received: from wynken.ece.arizona.edu.ece.arizona.edu by ece.arizona.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06868; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:11:03 -0700 Received: by wynken.ece.arizona.edu.ece.arizona.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10103; Fri, 29 Sep 95 09:11:04 MST Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:11:04 -0400 From: Michael Yockey To: 9fans Subject: ques: port exist for apollo/680x0? In-Reply-To: <95Sep29.103516edt.78544@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 735 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have access to a number of old Apollo/Domain (3000 and 4500)'s. These are old beasts with a 68020 in them, i believe. (the 4500 may have a newer cpu). They have >8M ram and 120M disks. It might be nice to use them as Plan9 terminals. I was wondering if anyone had successfully ported Plan9 to one of these machines. I am loath to run DomainOS (it is stretching it to call it a unix variant). thanks, Mike Mike Yockey myockey@ece.arizona.edu UNIX System Administrator Electrical and Computer Engineering Department The University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona page me: page_mike@vanzandt.amd.com "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change." *** This message contains a minimum of 15% post-consumer electrons. *** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 13:27:19 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78555>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:14:58 -0400 Received: from mailgw.claircom.com ([199.5.241.51]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78554>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:09:48 -0400 Received: from spite.eng.claircom.com by mailgw.claircom.com with smtp (Smail3.1.26.7 #2) id m0syirx-0004tkC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 10:05 PDT Received: by spite.eng.claircom.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0syirx-00004XC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 10:05 PDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:05:00 -0400 From: grs@eng.claircom.com (Gregg Siegfried) To: 9fans Subject: harcourt brace X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Just a general query: Has anyone else encountered problems dealing with harcourt brace when ordering the distribution? A few weeks after the distribution came out, I called HB 2 or 3 times/day on 3-4 successive days, and was unable to get in contact with any human .. I was stuck in IVR hell. So, I gave up. Then, about two weeks ago, I decided to try again, as one of the computers I wish to run plan9 on arrived. I called, and was connected after about 9 to 10 transfers, to a gentleman who was quite surprised to be speaking to someone speaking English .. he indicated that he was at some international ordering desk, and couldn't understand how I ended up there. At any rate, he volunteered to take my order, was able to verify the ISBN and pricing, and once we got past the language barrier, things seemed fine. He indicated that in 5-7 days (normal ups ground) I would have the distribution. I just called back to check, as it has been a couple of weeks, and they have no record of my ordering anything. The individual I spoke with today was ANYTHING but helpful, and seemed to shrug off the loss of my order as a normal characteristic of doing business with them. Maybe the original guy decided to take my credit card number and flee to the carribean ... I won't know that for a few weeks. Anyway, I was too disgusted with them to place another order today, so was again thwarted in my quest for plan9. Is there any alternative to dealing with these bumbling fools? I recognize that there are people who have successfully dealt with HB, as an associate in my organization has received the distribution. I'd prefer to have my own copy, but have reached the limits of my patience. I'd definitely like to avoid having to give money to an organization as full of idiots as HB seems to be. Sorry for the venting Gregg Siegfried grs@claircom.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 22:43:03 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78589>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:33:10 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78588>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:28:14 -0400 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:25:02 +1000 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id CAA01839; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:24:45 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id AA13407; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:27:59 +1000 (5.x/1.34) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" Message-Id: <9509301227.ZM13405@suede.sw.oz.au> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:27:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: Kenji Okamoto "where is 'find'?" (Sep 27, 3:11am) References: <199509270711.HAA02495@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE Subject: where is 'find'? > Subject says enough, I expect. I wrote a little program to descend a directory tree and print all the files it finds. In combination with some 1-line scripts with grep in them, I find it makes an adequite replacement. J >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 22:51:15 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78580>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:46:31 -0400 Received: from stealth.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.4]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78583>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:41:57 -0400 Received: by stealth.ecf.toronto.edu id <6117>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:29:29 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: Re: /dev/swap acting weird? Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 In-Reply-To: <95Sep28.131114edt.78394@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Message-Id: <95Sep29.222929edt.6117@stealth.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:29:20 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >the swap number in /dev/swap has nothing to do >with the size of the swap partition. It is a >vector of reference counts used to mangae >page sharing on the disc. It is set by conf.nswap >and is allocated by swapinit/swap.c at boot time. >the number is reported so you can ensure the >device used to swap onto is big enough. If my swap device is not big enough, will swapping still work? If it is much larger than the size reported by /dev/swap, will the extra swap space be usable? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Sep 29 23:16:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78583>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:11:53 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78573>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:07:28 -0400 From: philw@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:52:44 -0400 Subject: Re: /dev/swap acting weird? Message-Id: <95Sep29.230728edt.78573@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >If my swap device is not big enough, will swapping still work? Yes until is tries to page out into non-existant blocks when the kernel will panic in executeio/swap.c >>with the size of the swap partition. It is a >>vector of reference counts used to mangae >If it is much larger than the size reported by /dev/swap, will the >extra swap space be usable? No. as I said, a reference count per page is required. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 00:37:23 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78580>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:31:12 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78573>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:30:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12759>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:30:32 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: where is 'find'? In-reply-to: <9509301227.ZM13405@suede.sw.oz.au> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:30:34 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <95Sep30.003032edt.12759@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" writes: | I wrote a little program to descend a directory tree and print all the | files it finds. I hope it doesn't use chdir(), since ".." is unpredictable in Plan 9. du avoids that, but has a limit of 256 chars on total path length. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 00:57:42 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78586>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:49:52 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78584>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:49:31 -0400 Received: from karl.cs.su.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from raf for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 14:49:22 +1000 From: To: 9fans Message-ID: <19950930144842.1826.frobozz@karl.cs.su.OZ.AU> Full-name: A Stainless Steel Rat Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:49:27 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans unsubscribe -- Robert A Fabian | When walking, walk. raf@karl.cs.su.oz.au (pgrad) | When sitting, sit. Basser Department of Computer Science | Above all, don't wobble. University of Sydney | >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 02:47:12 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78589>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:33 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78575>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:17 -0400 Received: (taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.12+usc) id XAA29138; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:38:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:11 -0400 From: Ta-Wei Li Message-Id: <199509300638.XAA29138@skat.usc.edu> To: 9fans Subject: Can not mount u9fs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I just got my PC setup to be a Plan 9 terminal and compiled the u9fs on my NeXT box. When I try to access the file server, after srv command, the mount fails with error message: mount: mount /srv/tcp!next!9fs /n/next: unknown user or group I am wondering if this mean that I need to setup an auth server. Thanks. Ta-Wei Li >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 03:08:16 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78592>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 03:04:07 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78575>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 03:03:51 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA05794 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 07:03:44 GMT Message-Id: <199509300703.HAA05794@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: Japanese input X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Wait a minute!!! I was much surprised to find a manual page describing JAPANESE INPUT method. Oh, Oh, Oh, just a wait. I'll try it.... ^_^ So, I ,at first, tried to input my name, Oka-Moto and Ken-Ji. Ctl+G and input oka.... What an Amasing tool! Yes, ktrans can display Hiragana in my 8-1/2... Then, hit Ctl + T. OK! well done!! My name appeared on the display in kanji. Good enough! Next, I inputted Ken-ji. It's ok, too. I can see my first name in Hiragana. Then, tried ctl_T........ Alas! The ktrans has been broken with the error messages of as below: ktrans 79: suicide : sys: trap: fault read addr=0x9ca4e6f6 pc=0x0001842. So, I tried to see the source codes of ktrans, however, it's large enough. Can someone be able to enlighten me what's going on? Anyway, I was really surprised when I saw this function of ktrans!! Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 03:32:12 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78597>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 03:27:07 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78595>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 03:26:49 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id HAA05827 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 07:27:30 GMT Message-Id: <199509300727.HAA05827@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Japanese input In-reply-to: okamoto's message of Sat, 30 Sep 1995 03:03:43 -0400. <199509300703.HAA05794@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans =====Continued from the former post====== I'm now enjoying to try Japanese input on my Plan 9 on PC 486/33MHz. Searching speed of Kanji candidate is very fast, which makes me much confortable. However, this seems to have no functionality to learn my habit of Kanji usage. One more thing which I'd like to propose. This engine uses Jikan16 character which makes me some problem. The top line of the kanji/ Hiragana character is hidden. To avoid this, I recommend you to use k14 as a default character set. Am I doing something wrong? kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 07:17:12 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78602>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 07:10:37 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.91.53]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78601>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 07:10:20 -0400 Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id LAA05964 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 11:11:20 GMT Message-Id: <199509301111.LAA05964@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Japanese input In-reply-to: okamoto's message of Sat, 30 Sep 1995 03:27:30 -0400. <199509300727.HAA05827@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Face: $Cx`H4h}&#Ay65<'8JKnrNJ"m]K0nX2>7@Da=n'V$ uF~ag)mR Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ======continued from the former post========== First of all, please don't get angry to read my posting. I have good impression of Plan 9, particulary, by the reason why it tried to carry an eastern language in itself from the first. ========================================== I tried ktrans to test its ability to enter Japanese text for these several hours. I've gotten an impression that no native Japanese has been connected to this project..... This Japanese input method is based on a very simple table searching, so it's very fast because the size of Hiragana-->Kanji conversion dictionary is not so huge. Unfortunately, it means it's not so intelligent for my use. According to my understanding, this kind of dictionary reference method seems to be there about a decade ago, and has gone. If we limit our usage of this input method into a very short letter, it might be usefull, at least, better than nothing. However, if we try to write everyday Japanese document, this cannot be my tool, because it's too much frustrating to correct the wrong conversion.... We have already much powerful many kinds of Kana->Kanji conversion engine for unix, such as Wnn and Canna servers which are included in the X11 distribution. Of course, I don't saticefied enough by those conversion engines, however, those are better. On the contrary mentioned above, ktrans is much better than nothing. Therefore, standing as this viewpoint, I have some proposal to improve the present conversion engine. 1) introduce a "non-transfer" key This is very important to give a chance not to transform intentionally. There are many cases where we need to input Hiragana not Kanji. In the present situation, I have to hit ctl+E, then ctl+G again. Hmmm.... It can do! .... OK! please forget this. The other stuffs we need, if we use it for heavy use of Japanese input. 2) introduce a chance to add a word into the dictionary 3) introduce a learning mechanism for individual's different habit of kanji usage. Anyway, it's very interesting to see the functionality of this kind from the first in an operatiog system. Kenji >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 07:49:59 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78604>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 07:43:32 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78603>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 07:43:15 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 07:41:25 -0400 Message-Id: <95Sep30.074315edt.78603@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans no, an authentication server isn't needed (or used) by u9fs in the distribution. on plan 9, echo $user or cat /dev/user i suspect that the user name that appears isn't registered on the unix server. especially so if the name is `none'. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 11:49:25 BST 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78589>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:33 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78575>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:17 -0400 Received: (taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.12+usc) id XAA29138; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:38:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:11 -0400 From: Ta-Wei Li Message-Id: <199509300638.XAA29138@skat.usc.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Can not mount u9fs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just got my PC setup to be a Plan 9 terminal and compiled the u9fs on my NeXT box. When I try to access the file server, after srv command, the mount fails with error message: mount: mount /srv/tcp!next!9fs /n/next: unknown user or group I am wondering if this mean that I need to setup an auth server. Thanks. Ta-Wei Li >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 13:37:05 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78622>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:29:39 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78625>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:27:20 -0400 Received: from uucp5.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzjll04154; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:26:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:26:44 -0400 From: tbcc!bwc@uunet.uu.net Message-Id: Received: from tbcc.UUCP by uucp5.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:26:44 -0400 To: <9fans> Subject: Plan9 Kernal design Apparently-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Can the Lions stuff be published? Brantley Coile bwc@translation.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 13:54:18 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78626>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:48:01 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78632>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:45:17 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:29:52 -0400 Subject: re: Can not mount u9fs Message-Id: <95Sep30.134517edt.78632@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans u9fs is a Unix program and tries to obey Unix access permissions. You (i.e. the user id on the plan 9 system) has to have an entry in the password file on the Unix system in order to mount the a file system served by u9fs. If compiled with SOCKETS defined, it also uses the standard BSD network permission code, ruser(), which requires the calling system to be in /etc/hosts.equiv or the user to have a .rhosts allowing access. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 02:47:14 EDT 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78589>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:33 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78575>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:17 -0400 Received: (taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.12+usc) id XAA29138; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:38:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:11 -0400 From: Ta-Wei Li Message-Id: <199509300638.XAA29138@skat.usc.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Can not mount u9fs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just got my PC setup to be a Plan 9 terminal and compiled the u9fs on my NeXT box. When I try to access the file server, after srv command, the mount fails with error message: mount: mount /srv/tcp!next!9fs /n/next: unknown user or group I am wondering if this mean that I need to setup an auth server. Thanks. Ta-Wei Li >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 18:24:24 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78630>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 18:19:38 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78629>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 18:19:22 -0400 Received: from reynaldo.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.96]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15136(4)>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:18:59 PDT Received: from localhost by reynaldo.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <34952>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:18:51 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans cc: kerch@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: Plan9 Kernal design In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Sep 95 10:26:44 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 18:18:45 -0400 From: Berry Kercheval Message-Id: <95Sep30.151851pdt.34952@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 18:31:08 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78631>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 18:26:20 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78629>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 18:26:04 -0400 Received: from reynaldo.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.96]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15188(4)>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:25:39 PDT Received: from localhost by reynaldo.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <34952>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:25:37 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: 9fans cc: kerch@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: Plan9 Kernal design In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Sep 95 10:26:44 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 18:25:22 -0400 From: Berry Kercheval Message-Id: <95Sep30.152537pdt.34952@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Oops. Excuse the blank message, please. I'm not using plan 9 to read mail, that's my problem. Yeah, that's it! >>>tbcc!bwc@uunet.uu.net said: > Can the Lions stuff be published? I was going to send him private mail, saying that to the best of my knowledge the answer is still no, despite the fact that the information is mostly obsolete, that the information in Lions or similar or better was mostly available in either Bach, the Demon book or any 4FreeBSD CDrom, and that publishing it would make a lot of old hackers very happy, save some file folders by recycling old dog-eared Xerox(tm) copies of it, and would make AT&T gain karma points. I was going to say that, and decided not to, and let someone closer to the truth answer (I can see it now: "No. Love, Dennis") but by accident sent off a blank message I thought at least deserved an explanation. So, the answer is, as far as I know: No. Love, --berry Berry Kercheval :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 23:05:39 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78634>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:51:01 -0400 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net ([192.76.144.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78629>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:50:40 -0400 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (5.59:10/EUnetD-2.5.2.b) via EUnet id DAA28464; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 03:50:27 +0100 Received: from mwtech by shakti.rent-a-guru.de with UUCP (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA04396; Sat, 30 Sep 95 21:17:20 +0100 Received: by mwtech.rent-a-guru.de (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA02741; Sat, 30 Sep 95 19:46:47 GMT From: Martin Weitzel Message-Id: <9509301946.AA02741@mwtech.rent-a-guru.de> Subject: Re: where is 'find'? To: 9fans Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:46:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9509301227.ZM13405@suede.sw.oz.au> from "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" at Sep 30, 95 01:27:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2879 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > On Sep 27, 3:11am, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > > Subject: where is 'find'? > > Subject says enough, I expect. > > I wrote a little program to descend a directory tree and print all the > files it finds. In combination with some 1-line scripts with grep in > them, I find it makes an adequite replacement. > > J There was another solution mentioning "du" and further selection by "awk". All of this doesn't quite replace "find", as the latter has numerous selection criteria for the files (size, owner, modicfication time, etc). So I'm willing to contribute "fstat" to the Plan 9 community. It's a classical Unix filter program. On its one end, you stuff in file names, on the other end you get "status information" for those files (of course including their names, if you want). To select what information you want to see in which format, you have to supply a "format string" as command line argument. In this string, some dozen %-placeholders allow to select every bit of the (Unix-) inode data. (The style is similar to the Unix command date(1) with a "+format" parameter). Sometimes you have a choice between a more "internal" representation (e.g. "mtime" in seconds since the epoch) and a more "human readable" one (e.g. "mtime" in YYMMDDhhmmss). On the other hand, "fstat" mostly follows a `minimal approach' (e.g. it doesn't offer "mtime" in any other fancy format - date US style, Eropean style). In general, having output all the inode's data you need, the next program in the pipeline will probably be "grep" or "awk" to select files according to any desired criteria and - if required - also do any fancy formatting. An additional sort step between "fstat" and the final selection/formatting is also possible, so you can sort the generated file names according to almost anyting you like (mtime, size, owner, type ...). Of course, "fstat" is written for Unix, but porting to Plan 9 should not at all be hard. It might be necessary to add a few more %-placeholders or disable some, reflecting differences in a file's status data between Unix and Plan 9, but all that will be straight forward. I'd do a port myself, but I can't because my Plan 9 test system went down a few hour ago. (Either the VGA card or the motherboard failed. Besides I cannot replace anything before Monday and because of more urgent work I fear a port would have to wait until late October.) So I offer the chance to someone else. Mail me and I'll send you the source. BTW: As described above, "fstat" is a pleasure to use on Unix too. Being limited to "find" and "ls -l", it's hard to display certain combinations of information about the files found (e.g. "owner" by name and by UID or "mtime" together with "atime"), furthermore, the change in "ls -l" output format for dates, if a time stamp is older than half a year, often makes post processing cumbersome. --Martin >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Sep 30 23:18:17 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78629>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:04:35 -0400 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net ([192.76.144.65]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78632>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:50:45 -0400 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (5.59:10/EUnetD-2.5.2.b) via EUnet id DAA28478; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 03:50:29 +0100 Received: from mwtech by shakti.rent-a-guru.de with UUCP (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA04438; Sat, 30 Sep 95 21:53:25 +0100 Received: by mwtech.rent-a-guru.de (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA02939; Sat, 30 Sep 95 20:37:36 GMT From: Martin Weitzel Message-Id: <9509302037.AA02939@mwtech.rent-a-guru.de> Subject: Re: harcourt brace To: 9fans Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:37:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: from "Gregg Siegfried" at Sep 29, 95 01:05:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 454 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Just a general query: Has anyone else encountered problems dealing with > harcourt brace when ordering the distribution? Not me. Ordering (from Germany through HC&B's international number) was a pleasure, esp. for me as a non-native speaker of the English language. There was no need to mention the ISBN, the lady at the phone knew about Plan 9. The parcel arrived some few days after my order, charge for overseas postage was adequate. --Martin