>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 1 11:55:53 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78399>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:32:26 -0500 Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu ([128.10.2.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78392>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:32:10 -0500 Received: from drona.cs.purdue.edu (pascucci@drona.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.16.95]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.3/PURDUE_CS-1.4) with ESMTP id LAA04499 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pascucci@localhost) by drona.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.4/PURDUE_CS-1.4) id LAA13557 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:31:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Valerio Pascucci" Message-Id: <9604011131.ZM13555@drona.cs.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:31:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Eran Gabber "a driver for MPEG-1 playback card is available" (Mar 30, 3:19pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 6apr95 MediaMail) To: 9fans Subject: plan9 term paper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans hi to you all plan9 users/experts, I am a PhD student in Computer Science (Purdue university). I am writing a term paper for a course in Operanting Systems. The sybject is PLAN9 (from the bell labs). I have read some of the paper available on the net to understand Plan9. My problem is that I do not have a Plan9 distribution available, so a cannot look at the sources to see for example which is the schedung polycy of of the CPU scheduler (just to mention one). So I will appreciate very much if you could send me any information you think it could helpful for me. For example thechnical reports that describe in detail the system implentation, unpublished notes, personal comments (is better for me to get some extra useless information than miss some useful one). The paper is due in two weeks. Here I list the main subjects that I am supposed to analize: - history - OS Structure (monolithic, microkernel, layerd, etc.) - Process Management - Memory Management - Interprocess Communication - Syncronization and Mutual Exclusion - File System - I/O Interface - Compliance to Standards - Special Features - Comparison with other systems looking forward for you reply I thank you all in advance ciao Valerio >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 1 13:03:07 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78406>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:43:31 -0500 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78400>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:43:15 -0500 Received: from reynaldo.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.96]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18175(9)>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:41:27 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by reynaldo.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <34952>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:41:20 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: 9fans cc: kerch@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: plan9 term paper In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 01 Apr 1996 08:31:57 PST." <9604011131.ZM13555@drona.cs.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:41:13 -0500 From: Berry Kercheval Message-Id: <96Apr1.094120pst.34952@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>>"Valerio Pascucci" said: > For example thechnical reports that describe > in detail the system implentation, You might want to get the PARC Tech note on comparing plan 9 and sprite file systems. Look on parcftp.parc.xerox.com in /pub/sprite/welch --berry Berry Kercheval :: kerch@parc.xerox.com :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 1 22:54:53 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78432>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:46:21 -0500 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.37]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78430>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:45:58 -0500 From: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:19:27 -0500 To: 9fans@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Subject: keyboard bug Message-Id: <96Apr1.224558est.78430@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, I've been leaving with a bug for quite a while and I decided to share it with you. The problem is that sometime I loose access to the keyboard, which means that the system does not process caracteres coming from the keyboard but it does process already entered caracteres, as for example when doing cut and paste. Most of the time the bug appears after running a cpu-intensive job for a while. Usually, before I loose the keyboard a message appears in the screen saying 'unknown key %d'. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Any idea of how to fixed or where to look? I though it could be an scheduling problem but there isn't a process serving the keyboard, it's a KIOQ. Any comments would be appreacited. bye >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 1 23:06:34 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78433>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:58:49 -0500 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78436>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:58:32 -0500 From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:58:08 -0500 Subject: re: keyboard bug Message-Id: <96Apr1.225832est.78436@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans which system? what kernel? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 1 23:24:46 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78436>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:15:30 -0500 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.37]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78430>; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:15:05 -0500 From: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:54:04 -0500 To: 9fans Subject: Re: keyboard bug Message-Id: <96Apr1.231505est.78430@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In <96Apr1.225832est.78436@colossus.cse.psu.edu> philw@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > which system? Pentium 100Mh > what kernel? > 9pc, the version in the lastest CD. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 2 00:57:35 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78438>; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:51:59 -0500 Received: from proxima.Alt.ZA ([192.96.32.130]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78443>; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:51:42 -0500 Received: by proxima.Alt.ZA (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0u3ywR-0001l2C; Tue, 2 Apr 96 07:47 ZAT Message-Id: From: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA (Lucio de Re) Subject: Re: keyboard bug To: 9fans Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:47:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <96Apr1.224558est.78430@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au" at Apr 2, 96 01:19:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 479 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > [ ... ] > in the screen saying 'unknown key %d'. > > Has anyone else experienced this problem? > I've seen that message appear after disconnecting the keyboard (I needed it on another system) and reconnecting it. My gut feel is that you have a slightly buggy keyboard controller, I have had trouble with such, on occasion. -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) ------------------------------------- -------------- 'Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection.' (The Doors) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 2 20:06:21 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78547>; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:53:55 -0500 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.37]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78527>; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:53:37 -0500 From: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:44:22 -0500 To: 9fans Subject: Re: My pseudo worm is getting crouded ... Message-Id: <96Apr2.195337est.78527@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In <9603251139.AA10775@nsof.co.il> blumzi@nsof.co.il (Arie Blumenzweig) wrote: > Hi, > > Can this be done? Did anyone do it and survive? > I did something similar but not exactly the same. I was using a MIPS machine as a file server with a 4G SCSI disk as the main file system. I wasn't using a fake worm partition becuase the data there was also inmutable. Eventually I ran out of space, so I was able to attach another SCSI disk then redefine main as the concatenation of the old and a new 4G disk. The procedure was: 0) recompile the kernel with the new file system size. the kernel does not calcualte the size of the file system based on main definition, it read it from the super block. 1) config mode - filsys main (wOLDwNEW) 2) normal mode - then run check free which will recreate the free list and hopefully add the new blocks to the free list. However, what you want do it's a bit different: - You won't have to run check free becuase bufalloc will add more block to the free list of demand, which is good. - If had a look to the fworm implementation and it uses a part of the device to detect if a block is written twice or read without been written first. So you would probably have to ream both disk again, which would destroy your data :-(. It looks to me that the easiest thing is to backup your files restart a new file system with the two disks, restore the backup and wait until 5 pm, however you'll loose the history. Another posibility is to add a command to the kernel to combine both disks into a new fworm, but please backup your disk first. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 2 21:41:48 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78568>; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:34:08 -0500 Received: from babbitt.bernstein.com ([206.20.83.129]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78557>; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:33:41 -0500 Received: (from triemer@localhost) by babbitt.bernstein.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id VAA14346; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:46:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:46:09 -0500 From: Thomas Riemer To: 9fans <9fans> Subject: Installation of CPU server Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Here's a mind blower... I install a cpu server... find.. it comes, fine... I reinstall it from scratch... hm... It kept the nvram info?!??... Of course that was the whole point of the reinstall... (Its from the 4 disk set on a 486/100 with ide drives) -Tom ---- Where theory and reality meet. ---- Thomas Riemer, triemer@wesleyan.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 3 07:03:25 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78432>; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 06:46:43 -0500 Received: from proxima.Alt.ZA ([192.96.32.130]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78426>; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 06:46:25 -0500 Received: by proxima.Alt.ZA (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0u3oll-0000pBC; Mon, 1 Apr 96 20:56 ZAT Message-Id: From: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA (Lucio de Re) Subject: Re: plan9 term paper To: 9fans Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:55:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9604011131.ZM13555@drona.cs.purdue.edu> from "Valerio Pascucci" at Apr 1, 96 11:31:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 913 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > I am a PhD student in Computer Science (Purdue university). > I am writing a term paper for a course in Operanting Systems. ^^^^ :-) I love this! > The sybject is PLAN9 (from the bell labs). More seriously, though, Valerio, I suggest you get the original papers (starting with http://plan9.att.com/ you'll have little trouble finding the remainder) and follow them up with the released documents (they are available separately from the complete distribution). Also, there's a fair amount of Unix ported source that might clarify some of the aspects you're investigating; this is in the public domain so you needn't spend any money on it. Dumb suggestion, perhaps, but I could not resist that opRANTing :-) -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) ------------------------------------- -------------- 'Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection.' (The Doors) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 4 18:16:11 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79347>; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:58:57 -0500 Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu ([128.10.2.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79349>; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:58:41 -0500 Received: from drona.cs.purdue.edu (pascucci@drona.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.16.95]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.3/PURDUE_CS-1.4) with ESMTP id RAA08747 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pascucci@localhost) by drona.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.4/PURDUE_CS-1.4) id RAA24282 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:58:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Valerio Pascucci" Message-Id: <9604041758.ZM24280@drona.cs.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:58:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA (Lucio de Re) "Re: plan9 term paper" (Apr 1, 1:55pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 6apr95 MediaMail) To: 9fans Subject: Memory management Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have not found any information regarding memory management in plan9. Could you give me nay reference? Does it use just a standard mechanism (say virtual memory with paging)? Valerio >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 4 19:47:52 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79357>; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:40:37 -0500 Received: from babbitt.bernstein.com ([206.20.83.129]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79356>; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:40:19 -0500 Received: (from triemer@localhost) by babbitt.bernstein.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id TAA14981; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:53:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:53:20 -0500 From: Thomas Riemer To: 9fans <9fans> Subject: Authentication/CPU server. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've got a standalone CPU/Authentication server running... problem is that it does actually seem to authenticate: Below you can see the dialog between leibnitz - the terminal and huygens the cpu/authentication server. cpu% snoopy -lp 9590 IP40(leibnitz > huygens) 53 141 IL(5001 > 566 c 6066 l 159 data 1124690 181 1589) '01747269 656d6572 00000000 00000000 00000000' 9610 IP40(huygens > leibnitz) 1466 0 IL(566 > 5001 c 192a l 18 ack 1811590 11246 90) '' 9650 IP40(huygens > leibnitz) 1467 145 IL(566 > 5001 c 3fa1 l 163 data 1811590 1 124690) '040094e8 3b9a4d60 72b1e8e3 2e24a79b c8bec205' 9670 IP40(leibnitz > huygens) 54 0 IL(5001 > 566 c 1929 l 18 ack 1124691 1811590 ) '' The message that comes up when I try to login on the terminal is "?no match" user[triemer]: triemer passwd: ?no match user[triemer] My authid is "bootes" on both the fileserver and the CPU/authentication server. /sys/log/auth says: huygens Apr 4 14:50 t-fail authid 206.20.83.143 huygens Apr 4 14:50 t-fail hostid 206.20.83.143 huygens Apr 4 14:50 t-ok triemer 206.20.83.143 Any ideas as to what I've done wrong... -Tom ---- Where theory and reality meet. ---- Thomas Riemer, triemer@wesleyan.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Apr 6 04:38:54 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78657>; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 04:31:57 -0500 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78596>; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 04:31:41 -0500 Received: (from taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) id BAA25317; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:31:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 04:31:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199604060931.BAA25317@skat.usc.edu> From: Ta-Wei Li To: 9fans <9fans> Subject: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, A while ago I asked a question about the availablility of Plan 9 for dual Pentium system and I got a reply saying that a dual Pentium has been done for Brazil but there was no plan for such port of Plan 9. I'd like to know if this is still true. I am planning on getting a new machine to set up a CPU server and if Plan 9 is available for dual Pentium machine, I'd like to know which motherboard it supports. Thanks. -- Ta-Wei Li >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Apr 6 20:46:19 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78948>; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:40:12 -0500 Received: from babbitt.bernstein.com ([206.20.83.129]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78946>; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:39:56 -0500 Received: (from triemer@localhost) by babbitt.bernstein.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id UAA24392; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:53:49 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:53:48 -0500 From: Thomas Riemer To: 9fans <9fans> Subject: More on CPU/Auth server Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm starting to understand my problem with the CPU/Auth server... The stuff that I'm seeing in /sys/log/auth >huygens Apr 6 15:15 t-fail authid 206.20.83.143 >huygens Apr 6 15:15 t-fail hostid 206.20.83.143 >huygens Apr 6 15:15 t-ok triemer 206.20.83.143 The t-fail entries are being generated because of a failure to find a key. The interesting part is that I know the lookup used for this is "triemer" - what I'm running into is the fact that a "stored procedure" - I mean a C function, rather (man - way to much sql) - the c-function "findkey" is not able to locate a key. (see /sys/src/cmd/auth/lib/readwrite.c, /sys/src/cmd/auth/auth.srv.c) I'm booting a PC 486 with a standalone filesystem on hd1fs as a CPU/auth server. It seems to come up fairly happy. It serves correct bootp stuff. I installed off of the CD-Rom. I boot with b hd!0!/plan9/9pccpudi (which is the 9pccpudisk from the CD-Rom dist) The interesting part is that it does ****NOT**** seem to have /dev/hd1* which to me is fairly odd. That is to say, that there doesn't seem to be any devices for harddrive, even though I'm clearly talking to the harddrive fs. (Is this odd to other folks out there?) Also, auth/wrkey gives the nice little message "wrkey: can't read nvram" - which looking at the code for wrkey seems to indicate that it can't open "#r/nvram". (Here's a question for the FAQ: what are all the #r, #H codes... and what do they mean?) hmmm.... the 9pc that I'm running had the same problem... I built 9pc with the patches from Feb 16 - and it now seems to see hd devices... I tried building the 9pccpudisk out of the same dist... only the patches seem not to have instructions in the mkfile to build 9pccpudisk. I apologize for what seems like spewing to me. It just, you see, that I don't meet folks in the local cafe that play with Plan9. -Tom ---- Where theory and reality meet. ---- Thomas Riemer, triemer@tom.rockefeller.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Apr 7 00:57:09 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79531>; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:51:38 -0500 Received: from angora.cse.psu.edu ([128.118.73.23]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79529>; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:51:21 -0500 From: scott@angora.cse.psu.edu To: 9fans Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:49:30 -0500 Message-Id: <96Apr7.005121est.79529@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans tarfs reports checksum errors on some tarfiles (generated by gnutar, I think), because it computes the checksum over all TBLOCK chars, but only reads the header before doing so. The following patch seems to fix the problem. term% diff /n/cd/sys/src/cmd/tapefs/tarfs.c . 38c38 < long blkno, isabs, chksum, linkflg; --- > long blkno, isabs, chksum, linkflg, t; 47c47 < if (read(tapefile, (char *)&dblock.dbuf, sizeof(dblock.dbuf)) if (read(tapefile, (char *)&dblock, sizeof(dblock)) if (chksum != (t=checksum())){ > fprint(1, "bad checksum %o != %o on %.28s\n", chksum, t, dblock.dbuf.name); 132c132 < i += *cp; --- > i += *cp & 0xff; >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Apr 7 09:14:01 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78966>; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 09:09:10 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78965>; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 09:08:53 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 09:07:26 -0400 Message-Id: <96Apr7.090853edt.78965@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans last week i posted a `fix' to 8c to handle side-effects in an lvalue receiving a structure literal. at the time, i wasn't able to try it in the other compilers, but discovered yesterday that because something is missing from side(), the fix isn't optimal on the 386 or 68020. worse, because it invokes code containing an existing but rarely seen error in cgen.c, the `fix' will also break common cases of structure literals as arguments in any compiler where REGARG is non-zero and equal to REGRET (that includes most of the RISC compilers). i've got a correct repair that i'll post shortly. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Apr 7 14:23:26 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78983>; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:18:10 -0400 Received: from babbitt.bernstein.com ([206.20.83.129]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78982>; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:17:54 -0400 Received: (from triemer@localhost) by babbitt.bernstein.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA24705; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:32:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:32:14 -0400 From: Thomas Riemer To: 9fans <9fans> Subject: Continuing on CPU/Auth Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Curiouser and Curiouser... The reason findkey in /sys/cmd/auth/lib/readwrite.c is failing is because it can't find the file /mnt/keys/triemer/key. It is calling open on /mnt/keys/triemer/key - and failing to find the file. This is extremely odd since a standard ls on /mnt/keys/triemer/key says that it exists. This should be served by keyfs - if I'm correct. keyfs is started in /bin/cpurc - it prints out that it has read 3 keys when it starts. Let me point out that as user bootes (the authid), I see /mnt/keys/triemer/key - however as user none, I do not. It makes sense that I should be able to see the keys as user none - I just don't know if this is the way its "supposed" to be. As bootes, I can "cat" the file - it has 7 characters in it. Let me point out that I see the same behavior under the 9pccpudisk that came on the CD - as well as the 9pccpudisk that I built yesterday with all the patches to /sys/src/9 (boot, pc, port) applied. Of course, all of this logic is so simple to explain... I was running /bin/auth/auth.srv as user none - not as user bootes, because I was foolish enough to put il566 in /bin/services instead of /bin/service.auth/services. Right about now, I feel like I have a few bullet holes in my boots. BTW - the authentication seems to work quite nicely once I changed this. -Tom ---- Where theory and reality meet. ---- Thomas Riemer, tom@rockvax.rockefeller.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Apr 7 16:25:41 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78993>; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:20:53 -0400 Received: from babbitt.bernstein.com ([206.20.83.129]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78992>; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:20:37 -0400 Received: (from triemer@localhost) by babbitt.bernstein.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA24745; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:35:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:35:01 -0400 From: Thomas Riemer To: 9fans <9fans> Subject: Next problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans So at this point the cpu service seems to half-way work. That is to say, I can log in to the cpu server as my self - and I can run things that talk to /dev/cons - but it doesn't actually mount the fileserver... I actually end up having to different directories... one on the fileserver that I'm connected to when I boot the terminal up, and one on the cpu server. I was under the impression that the cpu service automatically mounted the correct file server when one logged into it... so that the user files would be the same regardless of location... Am I just hallucinating here? -Tom ---- Where theory and reality meet. ---- Thomas Riemer, tom@rockvax.rockefeller.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 8 00:19:07 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79009>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 00:13:36 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79004>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 00:13:19 -0400 From: "jim mckie" To: 9fans Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 23:42:25 -0400 Subject: re: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... Message-Id: <96Apr8.001319edt.79004@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In porting Brazil to a dual Pentium system I basically threw away all the PC device drivers and started from scratch as I was unsure how many of them were MP-safe (I know I wrote some which weren't). I've been writing drivers on an as-needed basis and currently the only drivers are for Buslogic SCSI controllers, the AMD79C970 ethernet controller, the 3COM EtherLinkIII and Fast Etherlink controllers and the UARTs; these drivers bear little resemblance to those distributed. Note there is no VGA (or mouse) driver, not necessary for a CPU server. Much of the initialisation, memory management and interrupt handling code was completely rewritten too, some of it had to be but some of it just needed going over again, it had been a long time. The code could be back-ported to Plan 9 but there's no incentive here to do so. However, I intend to fix-up the fileserver kernel sometime to incorporate all the fixes found since the distribution was cut and that may be a good candidate for back-porting the MP code to. Regarding hardware, I've used an ASUS PCI/E-P54NP4D, a Gigabyte GA-586ID and a Tyan Tempest S1462 (there are details on these boards in the FAQ). If you can wait there will be a new generation of boards shipping in the next few weeks based on the Triton-II chipset which promises much better memory and I/O bandwidth than those above which are all based on the older but more stable Neptune chipset. The older boards are probably listed above in order of decreasing preference. --jim ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Apr 6 04:44:18 EST 1996 Received: from colossus.cse.psu.edu by plan9; Sat Apr 6 04:44:18 EST 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78657>; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 04:31:57 -0500 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78596>; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 04:31:41 -0500 Received: (from taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) id BAA25317; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:31:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 04:31:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199604060931.BAA25317@skat.usc.edu> From: Ta-Wei Li To: 9fans Subject: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... Sender: cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Hi, A while ago I asked a question about the availablility of Plan 9 for dual Pentium system and I got a reply saying that a dual Pentium has been done for Brazil but there was no plan for such port of Plan 9. I'd like to know if this is still true. I am planning on getting a new machine to set up a CPU server and if Plan 9 is available for dual Pentium machine, I'd like to know which motherboard it supports. Thanks. -- Ta-Wei Li >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 8 13:17:02 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79030>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:58:39 -0400 Received: from sws5.ctd.ornl.gov ([128.219.128.125]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79033>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:58:23 -0400 Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 3995); 8 Apr 1996 16:57:59 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:57:59 -0400 Message-ID: <19960408165759.8307.qmail@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov> From: de5@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov To: 9fans In-reply-to: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com's message of Mon, 8 Apr 1996 04:23:42 GMT Subject: re: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... X-Mailer: VM Version 5.95 (beta) with XEmacs 19.13 of Fri Sep 1 1995 on sgi0 (irix) [formerly Lucid Emacs] Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, Tenn., USA X-Face: "p~Q]mg{;e*}YR|)&Q/&Q\*~5UWfZX34;5M Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans What is Brazil? -Dave >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 8 15:23:57 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79033>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:09:48 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79037>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:05:02 -0400 From: "Dave Presotto" To: 9fans Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:53:02 -0400 Subject: re: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... Message-Id: <96Apr8.150502edt.79037@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans what plan 9 has evolved into. ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 8 14:47:48 EDT 1996 Received: from colossus.cse.psu.edu by plan9; Mon Apr 8 14:47:48 EDT 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79030>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:58:39 -0400 Received: from sws5.ctd.ornl.gov ([128.219.128.125]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79033>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:58:23 -0400 Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 3995); 8 Apr 1996 16:57:59 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:57:59 -0400 Message-ID: <19960408165759.8307.qmail@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov> From: sws5.ctd.ornl.gov!de5 To: cse.psu.edu!9fans In-reply-to: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com's message of Mon, 8 Apr 1996 04:23:42 GMT Subject: re: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... X-Mailer: VM Version 5.95 (beta) with XEmacs 19.13 of Fri Sep 1 1995 on sgi0 (irix) [formerly Lucid Emacs] Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, Tenn., USA X-Face: "p~Q]mg{;e*}YR|)&Q/&Q*~5UWfZX34;5M Sender: cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cse.psu.edu!9fans What is Brazil? -Dave >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 8 20:45:00 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78647>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:36:53 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78576>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:36:37 -0400 Received: (from taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) id RAA25948; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:36:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199604090036.RAA25948@skat.usc.edu> From: Ta-Wei Li To: 9fans Subject: status of Brazil Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Just curious. What's the current status of Brazil? Is it strickly internal to Bell Labs? Is there a plan to release it? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 8 21:02:02 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78576>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:55:43 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78648>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:55:22 -0400 From: "Dave Presotto" To: 9fans Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:54:44 -0400 Subject: re: status of Brazil Message-Id: <96Apr8.205522edt.78648@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans strictly internal - no plans one way or the other. we're all busy doing something else for a while. ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 8 20:48:16 EDT 1996 Received: from colossus.cse.psu.edu by plan9; Mon Apr 8 20:48:16 EDT 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78647>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:36:53 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78576>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:36:37 -0400 Received: (from taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) id RAA25948; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:36:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199604090036.RAA25948@skat.usc.edu> From: Ta-Wei Li To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Subject: status of Brazil Sender: cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Just curious. What's the current status of Brazil? Is it strickly internal to Bell Labs? Is there a plan to release it? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 8 22:17:50 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79044>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:10:44 -0400 Received: from babbitt.bernstein.com ([206.20.83.129]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78788>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:10:06 -0400 Received: (from triemer@localhost) by babbitt.bernstein.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id WAA25256; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:24:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:24:54 -0400 From: Thomas Riemer To: 9fans <9fans> Subject: ndb/dns, terminal, auth server Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have an odd behavior - when I just run ndb/cs, I can log into the cpu server using "cpu"... however, as soon as I start ndb/dns... It gives a message huygens: can't authenticate can't find AS. -Tom ---- Where theory and reality meet. ---- Thomas Riemer, tom@rockvax.rockefeller.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 9 08:13:24 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78360>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:02:46 -0400 Received: from dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ([199.227.192.38]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78364>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:02:28 -0400 Received: (from d025826c@localhost) by dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA01277 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:00:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:00:03 -0400 From: Julian B Hilaire Message-Id: <199604091200.IAA01277@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 Organization: SEFLIN Free-Net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have just finished re-reading the FAQ for plan 9 and the messages on SEFLIN's new server and I have a couple of questions: What is Brazil? Has anyone out there actually managed to connect to either or on or after April 7th? In article <96Apr8.150502edt.79037@colossus.cse.psu.edu> you wrote: : what plan 9 has evolved into. [sic] : ------ forwarded message follows ------ [deletia] : What is Brazil? : -Dave --- I have learned silence from the talkative, tolerance from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind, yet, I'm ungrateful to those teachers. -- Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931) --- Julian B. Hilaire d025826c@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us --- >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 9 08:58:33 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78365>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:51:35 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78364>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:51:11 -0400 From: td@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:46:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... Message-Id: <96Apr9.085111edt.78364@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Julian B Hilaire asks: >Has anyone out there actually managed to connect to either > or on or after >April 7th? I tried getting http://plan9.att.com/plan9/, and running ftp to plan9.att.com from my courtesy account at Drew University & both worked fine. What's the problem? Note that with the AT&T corporate split-up our canonical site-name has changed to plan9.bell-labs.com, and that plan9.att.com might stop working later this year. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 9 09:09:43 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78647>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:03:43 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78403>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:01:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:44:08 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... Message-Id: <96Apr9.090157edt.78403@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >I have just finished re-reading the FAQ for plan 9 and the messages on >SEFLIN's new server and I have a couple of questions: > >What is Brazil? A Terry Gilliam movie. See it, it's very good. >Has anyone out there actually managed to connect to either > or on or after >April 7th? Yes, I successfully used both within the last few hours. >--- >I have learned silence from the talkative, tolerance from the intolerant, >and kindness from the unkind, yet, I'm ungrateful to those teachers. > -- Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931) I have learned nettiquette from the clueless... [but it doesn't show :-) ] >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 9 10:03:27 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78403>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:56:00 -0400 Received: from carina.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.128.25]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78657>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:52:45 -0400 Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.161.1]) by carina.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28855 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:39:49 +0200 Received: from styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.161.22]) by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA09143 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:39:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bischof@localhost) by styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA17935 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:39:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199604091339.PAA17935@styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Hans-Peter Bischof Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:39:45 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: 9P & spy Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Old spies revisited The Tee With the same strategy as inserting tee in a shell pipeline one can track the 9P data stream between server and kernel. Our programm, spy, receives the 9P messages from the kernel, displays them for modification and sends the resulting messages to the intended server. In the same way spy transmits the 9P replies of the server. Data spied out in this manner can be used in many different ways. The entire approach is transparent to both, the client and the server. spy is mounted onto the dormant server connection and offers its own connection to the client instead. The client believes it is mounting the server, when, in fact, it is connecting to spy. The server views spy as its client. Spy Spy realizes a tee in form of a 9P information flow inspector. It displays the flow of the 9P messages between server and client in a graphic representation. The user is able to specify in a filter language, which 9P messages should be observed. It is possible to watch seperatly each request and reply message or to set watch points on the arrival of dedicated messages. Moreover it is possible to modify each message or pass own messages into the 9P data stream. A graphical user interface helps the user with the modifications. If you are interessted: ftp.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de pub/plan/spy.tar (includes [28kv].spy) Hans-Peter Bischof, Bernd Kuehl University of Osnabrueck bischof@informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 9 15:28:38 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79118>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:10:44 -0400 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79088>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:10:24 -0400 Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.4) with ESMTP id PAA11592 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:09:57 -0400 Received: from seth.cs.cornell.edu (SETH.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.218.26]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.8) with ESMTP id PAA13261 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:09:55 -0400 From: Min Huang Received: (mhuang@localhost) by seth.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id PAA09629 for 9fans@cs.psu.edu; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:09:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:09:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199604091909.PAA09629@seth.cs.cornell.edu> To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: plan9 sed Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi: I tried to convert the following Unix script to Plan9 script. In Unix, I got the following Unix Output File. I have a problem to get plan9 script to work. Thank you very much ************** Unix script ************************************************* eval cc -E a.c | sed -n -e 's%^# [1-9][0-9]* "\./\(.*\)".*$%\1%p' -e 's%^# [1-9][0-9]* "\(.*\)".*$%\1%p' | sort -u ****************************************************************************** ************** Plan9 script ************************************************* eval pcc -E a.c | sed -n -e 's%^# [1-9][0-9]* "\./\(.*\)".*$%\1%p' -e 's%^# [1-9][0-9]* "\(.*\)".*$%\1%p' | sort -u ****************************************************************************** ************** a.c ************************* #include #include main() { printf("Hello Horus\n"); } ******************************************** ************ Unix Output File ************** /usr/include/stdio.h /usr/include/stdlib.h /usr/include/sys/stdtypes.h a.c ******************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 9 15:46:33 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79120>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:38:51 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79088>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:38:18 -0400 From: none@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:36:40 -0400 Subject: re: plan9 sed Message-Id: <96Apr9.153818edt.79088@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans cpp a.c|sed -n '/^#line/s/.*"(.*)".*/\1/p'|sort -u >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 9 16:17:10 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79116>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:08:27 -0400 Received: from postman.ncube.com ([134.242.8.47]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79144>; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:08:04 -0400 Received: from garcon.ncube.com by postman.ncube.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11239; Tue, 9 Apr 96 13:07:47 PDT Received: from pejs.ncube.com by garcon.ncube.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05962; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:06:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:06:14 -0400 From: sch@postman.ncube.com (Steve Hemminger) Message-Id: <9604092006.AA05962@garcon.ncube.com> Received: by pejs.ncube.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08946; Tue, 9 Apr 96 13:09:44 PDT To: 9fans Subject: 9P & spy In-Reply-To: <199604091339.PAA17935@styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> References: <199604091339.PAA17935@styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Nice program but where is the source? spy.tar only has binaries. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 10 08:07:51 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78370>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:56:35 -0400 Received: from casper.na.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.0.21]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78418>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:54:10 -0400 Received: from HOBBES.NA.CS.YALE.EDU by casper.na.cs.yale.edu (8.7.1/res.host.cf-4.0) with ESMTP id HAA04125; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:38:50 -0400 (EDT) sender yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU for <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: by HOBBES.NA.CS.YALE.EDU (Sendmail-8.7.1/res.client.cf-4.0) id HAA20583; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:38:49 -0400 From: yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU Message-Id: <199604101138.HAA20583@HOBBES.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> To: 9fans Subject: Java delenda est Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Posting to comp.os.plan9 doesn't seem to work here; I'm trying mail to 9fans now.] A while ago there was some talk on this newsgroup about a project named Inferno, a Java competitor. The following remarks are half speculation and half opinion, which may or may not be relevant to Inferno; I have no inside knowledge. 1. The best way to handle Java security would be to do it in the operating system, that is, to run the Java code in a separate process which had no permission to do anything except communicate with its parent. The way Java security is currently done is a lot like the way security for normal programs was done on certain old Burroughs machines: there is no hardware protection which constrains Java programs, but instead the compiler is privileged software, which is trusted not to output bad code. I'm not aware of what specific problems have been encountered either with the old Burroughs machines or with Java, but a compiler is one of the most complicated pieces of software on the machine, as compared to memory protection hardware (and the OS software which manages it) which is simple, and in addition is already debugged. 2. Under the versions of Unix I've seen, the operating system does not provide facilities by which a process can be deprived of all permissions except that of communicating with its parent. One can make a start at it, by using chroot() and changing the userid to some completely unprivileged user, but I don't know any way to prevent the process from opening new TCP/IP connections. 3. Plan 9 provides facilities to run a process in a namespace managed by the parent process, as done by iostats(4). This can almost be used to cut the child process off from almost all possibility of doing damage. The kernel still would still have to be changed so that new mounts could be disabled. I think mounts of kernel devices, as in "bind #I /net", would be the main problem. 4. If one took this approach, there'd be no point in using a specially crippled-for-security language like Java; one could just import C or Fortran code and compile and run it. -- Norman Yarvin yarvin@cs.yale.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 10 16:43:19 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78382>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:33:58 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78389>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:51:30 -0400 From: "bob flandrena" To: 9fans Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:40:56 -0400 Subject: Re: samterm (X version) dumping core on {} Message-Id: <96Apr10.105130edt.78389@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > samterm seems to respond fairly badly to an input of {} if it has no > files open. > % diff /sys/src/cmd/sam/xec.c /n/juke/plan_9/sys/src/cmd/sam/xec.c 29c29 < !utfrune("bBnqUXY!", cp->cmdc) && --- > !utfrune("bBnqUXY!{", cp->cmdc) && 33c33 < if(i >= 0 && cmdtab[i].defaddr != aNo){ --- > if(cmdtab[i].defaddr != aNo){ for both plan 9 and unix versions of sam. i also put a sam boddle containing several changes in the update directory. see http://plan9.att.com/plan9/update/CHANGES.txt. the changes in the boddle probably also apply to the unix version of sam, but i haven't tested it yet. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 10 16:43:56 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78379>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:42:04 -0400 Received: from bkinis1-1.morgan.com ([204.254.196.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78375>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:15:55 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by bkinis1-1.morgan.com (8.6.12/sendmail.cf.firewall v1.01) id LAA19222 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:13:55 -0400 Received: from unknown(138.20.113.10) by bkinis1-1.morgan.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019208; Wed Apr 10 11:13:51 1996 Received: from cheshire.Morgan.COM by ls5.fid.morgan.com (4.1/MS/FID/Sun-1.3) id AA08553; Wed, 10 Apr 96 16:13:49 BST From: "David Lukes" Message-Id: <9604101613.ZM8211@morgan.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:13:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU "Java delenda est" (Apr 10, 7:38) References: <199604101138.HAA20583@HOBBES.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> X-Face: ",23ZL}.AnSu!4o'e&Zi$|&rY^Py}G`e=fI&l{$n@td6#Kar.lKC9yYg$@'yxv|Pw37"-%Ax}(QJFS35S;vKtZ_JzuiK5LvmGz`S_MHpiqgR?dJ@QsE$Jn&RO-Rh|XpcAh?:x\{m%=Vad3j} 1. The best way to handle Java security would be to do it in the > operating system Hear hear! > The way Java security is currently done is a lot like > the way security for normal programs was done on certain old > Burroughs machines: there is no hardware protection which > constrains Java programs, but instead the compiler is > privileged software, which is trusted not to output bad code. This is not quite accurate wrt Java. On the B5000 et. al., the compiler DID take responsibility for the integrity of the whole system by doing array bounds checking etc. etc. (*lots* of etc. etc.). In java, the java loader takes on this responsibility, verifying the bytecode before it's executed, and relying on runtime checks for the remaining possible insecurities. (If the security was in the compiler, a malicious user could send down a hand assembled java bytecode program to do whatever they liked). > I'm not aware of what specific problems have been > encountered either with the old Burroughs machines How about compiler bugs crashing your system? Thus compiler development required a tolerant user population, a lot of midnight oil or a dedicated system. As an aside, since the file system needed to be strongly typed, so that only a compiler could output executable files, this gave rise to interesting problems when saving and restoring from tapes ... > or with > Java, Netscape and/or Sun have already had at least one bug that allowed Joe User to subvert Internet firewalls using java applets. (Cute name, eh?) Fundamentally the 2 approaches are the same: you have to trust some piece of complex and fallible software with some part of your systems' safety, and unless that piece of code and everything it depends on, have been formally verified (yeah, right), you will, at some point it time, lose, when an exploitable bug appears. (I'm not saying OSs are perfect, but they keep all your security bugs in one place ...) End of diatribe, back to normal programming. Dave. P.S. Personally, when I think of Java, I think of Krakatoa and boiling lava ... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 10 19:01:18 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78419>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:54:35 -0400 Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu ([128.10.2.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78415>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:54:18 -0400 Received: from drona.cs.purdue.edu (pascucci@drona.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.16.95]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.3/PURDUE_CS-1.4) with ESMTP id RAA21281 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pascucci@localhost) by drona.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.4/PURDUE_CS-1.4) id RAA13396 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:54:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Valerio Pascucci" Message-Id: <9604101754.ZM13394@drona.cs.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:54:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU "Java delenda est" (Apr 10, 7:38am) References: <199604101138.HAA20583@HOBBES.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 6apr95 MediaMail) To: 9fans Subject: plan9 implementation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi It is still looking for unpublished information about plan9. The most undocumented parts are memory management, processes scheduling. Since my first request for help I received I reply with additional information (on file system) and many requests of other students with my same problem. Again if any of you can send me any information that is not explicitly documented please send it to me. I will also send copy to other guys in the need and make also the short plan9 review available on my web page. My impression is that the undocumented part are those that probably are implemented in some standard way so that they do not merit any special description (like a conference paper). Anyway I need this kind of information too. You could send me just a sentence stating what is the "well known" approach taken in plan9 for a certain feature. Also I read on an old 9fans email that it is allowed to send chunks of code as long the entire system cannot be reconstructed. So if you can send any specially meaningful piece of code (e.g. e piece of the scheduler) I could include such code pieces in my paper and of course understand better the implementation details. Thanks a lot in advance. ciao Valerio >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 10 19:27:43 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78417>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:20:13 -0400 Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu ([128.10.2.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78418>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:19:57 -0400 Received: from drona.cs.purdue.edu (pascucci@drona.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.16.95]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.3/PURDUE_CS-1.4) with ESMTP id SAA22141 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pascucci@localhost) by drona.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.4/PURDUE_CS-1.4) id SAA13432 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Valerio Pascucci" Message-Id: <9604101819.ZM13430@drona.cs.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:19:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au "Re: keyboard bug" (Apr 2, 1:54pm) References: <96Apr1.231505est.78430@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 6apr95 MediaMail) To: 9fans Subject: plan9 information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Sorry maybe I did not explain myself well. I am looking for information on plan9 just to write a term paper for an operating system course (and seems that other people are in the same situation) My university does not have a plan9 distribution I cannot afford an expense of $350 only for this. So I am forced to ask for you help Thanks Valerio >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 00:40:21 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78827>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:34:02 -0400 Received: from dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ([199.227.192.38]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78419>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:09:14 -0400 Received: (from d025826c@localhost) by dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA14152 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:59:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:59:42 -0400 From: Julian B Hilaire Message-Id: <199604102159.RAA14152@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 Organization: SEFLIN Free-Net - Dade X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Three problems. 1--On both Apr 7 and Apr 8 I tryed to get to using a web browser, and although I could visit other sites, lynx reported errors with the above URL. Clearly, as both this respondent and the previous said they got through, the problem isn't at (or near) the URL above. 2--On both Apr 7 and Apr 8 I tryed to visit (with a web browser), and to 'open plan9.att.com' (with a program specializing (specialising?) in ftp) Clearly, yada yada sis boom ba, as above. 3--The news reader here at SEFLIN's free net insisted that the reply, which I would have preferred to send only to the respondent quoted, be sent to the 'list' <9fans@cse.psu.edu>. But as I wanted to thank the quoted author for his or her response, I said (to myself (quite silently (sub-vocally (how can I add (to this article) even more parenthetical expressions?) in fact))), what the heck. In article <96Apr9.085111edt.78364@colossus.cse.psu.edu> you wrote: : Julian B Hilaire asks: : >Has anyone out there actually managed to connect to either : > or on or after : >April 7th? : I tried getting http://plan9.att.com/plan9/, and running ftp : to plan9.att.com from my courtesy account at Drew University & : both worked fine. What's the problem? : Note that with the AT&T corporate split-up our canonical : site-name has changed to plan9.bell-labs.com, and that : plan9.att.com might stop working later this year. I will try and , at some later date. Thank you for the new name. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 16:15:38 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78532>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:02:13 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78533>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:40:37 -0400 From: "Rob Pike" To: 9fans Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:20:42 -0400 Subject: Inferno Message-Id: <96Apr11.154037edt.78533@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Have a look at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/inferno/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 16:20:08 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78543>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:14:54 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78542>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:43:53 -0400 From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:23:18 -0400 Message-Id: <96Apr11.154353edt.78542@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans check out http://inferno.bell-labs.com/inferno >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 18:11:13 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78449>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:00:19 -0400 Received: from westlake.tkg.com ([198.3.130.68]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78447>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:00:03 -0400 Received: from kali.tkg.com (kali.tkg.com [198.3.130.104]) by westlake.tkg.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA25137 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:59:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:59:30 -0400 From: Castor Fu To: 9fans Subject: plan9 on DEC HiNote Ultra` Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I installed the Plan9 floppy dist which shipped with the CD-ROM on a DEC HiNote Ultra (only $1300 from J&R (NYC)). I thought I might relate my experiences here for others who might be thinking of doing the same. (Yes, I know that there have been newer floppy distributions, but the floppies were here and I didn't have the patience to go get the latest). When I have some more time, I'll try to get the boddles and build a current copy of the kernel, but I don't know when that will be. 1. The built in mouse doesn't seem to work reasonably. It seems to only allow horizontal motion, and is erratic, with occassional random button clicks events (but clicking the buttons does not work.) The system shipped with Logitech mouse software, so presumably it's a Logitech mouse. Interestingly, if I plug a mouse into the PS/2 mouse port, it works just fine. 2. The PCMCIA controller seems to have been detected, but no devices appeared in /dev/pcm*. The PCMCIA controller is one of the Cirrus Logic ones. (SystemSoft Socket Services reported this, and Plan 9 called it a PD6720). 3. The VGA controller was (of course) not recognized, but works fine in 640x480x1. People are still developing support for the chip used (Chips&Technology 65545) for XFree86, so it might be some time before I get this working "right". (There is a majordomo mailing list ct5xx-hackers@cygnus.com which seems pretty active). Has anyone experimented with running Win95 and Plan9 on the same machine? (duck) --------------------- Castor Fu +1.512.433.3329 The Kernel Group Inc. http://www.tkg.com/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 19:35:54 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78527>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:24:02 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78528>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:23:41 -0400 From: "jim mckie" To: 9fans Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:20:05 -0400 Subject: re: plan9 on DEC HiNote Ultra` Message-Id: <96Apr11.192341edt.78528@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans there's a chance the later diskettes will fix both the pcmcia and vga problems, there's support for the c&t 65540. we run both win95 and plan9 on systems without trouble. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 20:00:40 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78528>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:52:35 -0400 Received: from gateway.minimal.com ([205.198.82.140]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78519>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:52:18 -0400 Received: from [205.198.86.114] (flatline.minimal.com [205.198.86.114]) by gateway.minimal.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA02058 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:51:33 -0400 X-Sender: rmuha@gateway.minimal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:51:34 -0400 To: 9fans From: rmuha@minimal.com (ralph muha) Subject: Re: Inferno Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Have a look at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/inferno/ geez, you guys are going for nothing less than total world domination... r ------ mailto:rmuha@tiac.net http://www.mv.com/biz/rmuha/home.html "Now I see it clearly. My whole life is pointed in one direction. I see that now. There never has been any choice for me..." - T.B. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 20:17:50 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78519>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:09:48 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78531>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:09:31 -0400 From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:08:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Inferno Message-Id: <96Apr11.200931edt.78531@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >geez, you guys are going for nothing less than >total world domination... we aim to please. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 20:20:09 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78530>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:18:08 -0400 Received: from gateway.minimal.com ([205.198.82.140]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78538>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:17:09 -0400 Received: from [205.198.86.114] (flatline.minimal.com [205.198.86.114]) by gateway.minimal.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02078 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:12:53 -0400 X-Sender: rmuha@gateway.minimal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:12:54 -0400 To: 9fans From: rmuha@minimal.com (ralph muha) Subject: plan 9 on DEC PC Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I just brought up Plan 9 on a DEC 466MTE. This is a 486DX2/66, 256K L2 and a custom, on-board video. I'm using a copy of the #9GXE Level-1[12] config with the hwgc= removed. Using hwgc=bt485hwgc gave me an invisible cursor; with hwgc=s3hwgc I got a black screen... Here is the vga stuff: 0xC004C="S3 86C928/Bt485" link=vga ramdac=bt485-135 ctrl=s3928 link=ibm8514 clock=icd2061a link=s3clock Btw, these machines are very nicely constructed. The midi-tower box has removable side panels, you can swap boards without having to move your coffee cup... r ------ mailto:rmuha@minimal.com http://www.minimal.com/home.html "Now I see it clearly. My whole life is pointed in one direction. I see that now. There never has been any choice for me..." - T.B. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 20:36:39 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78539>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:29:15 -0400 Received: from gateway.minimal.com ([205.198.82.140]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78533>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:28:59 -0400 Received: from [205.198.86.114] (flatline.minimal.com [205.198.86.114]) by gateway.minimal.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02102 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:28:51 -0400 X-Sender: rmuha@gateway.minimal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:28:52 -0400 To: 9fans From: rmuha@minimal.com (ralph muha) Subject: Re: Inferno Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>geez, you guys are going for nothing less than >>total world domination... >we aim to please. I think it's time for a re-release of 'The President's Analyst' >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 21:00:34 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78533>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:52:08 -0400 Received: from arcadia.SJSU.EDU ([130.65.44.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78531>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:51:47 -0400 Received: (from kzin@localhost) by arcadia.SJSU.EDU (8.7.4/8.6.11) id RAA06984 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604120048.RAA06984@arcadia.SJSU.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v118.3) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.3) From: John Rudd Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:48:56 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: Plan 9 for dual Pentium machine... Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In comp.os.plan9 you wrote: > what plan 9 has evolved into. > >> What is Brazil? Would you care to elaborate some about that? I'm interested in picking up plan9 and tinkering with it (what I'd really like to do is see about porting Openstep to it, along with the Nextstep user interface.. but that would require an objective c compiler, and I haven't been able to find any info about a gcc compiler for plan 9..).. but if plan9 is already an obsolete thing, and it is/was replaced by Brazil, I'd rather look there. If it's not public yet, is there any thoughts about when it might become public? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 11 23:14:00 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78549>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:59:40 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78538>; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:59:19 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:41:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Inferno Message-Id: <96Apr11.225919edt.78538@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >geez, you guys are going for nothing less than >total world domination... They are clearly far more deserving than Bill Gates... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 12 00:31:47 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78555>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:17:25 -0400 Received: from handel.jlc.net ([199.201.159.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78851>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:12:36 -0400 Received: from pm1-219.dialup.jlc.net by handel.jlc.net (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA23667; Fri, 12 Apr 96 00:09:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:09:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9604120409.AA23667@handel.jlc.net> X-Sender: jpearson@mailhost.JLC.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: 9fans From: jpearson@handel.jlc.net (Jerry L. Pearson) Subject: Inferno info Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Have a look at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/inferno/ I looked at http://www.plan9.att.com/inferno Very Lucent description... # the following are aliases for the same machine. # achille.research.att.com # cs.research.att.com # www.cs.research.att.com # cs.att.com # www.cs.att.com # plan9.att.com # plan9.research.att.com # netlib.att.com on another subject, (sort of) http://coriolan.amicus.com/penguin.html >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 12 01:00:02 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78554>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:49:03 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78563>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:43:04 -0400 From: "Rob Pike" To: 9fans Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:38:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Inferno info Message-Id: <96Apr12.004304edt.78563@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Inferno is not an AT&T project, it's being done within Bell Labs, hence Lucent Technologies. Thus the use of the bell-labs.com alias. Eventually, the att.com address will not work to reach us. All this splitting of networks takes time, but we are doing our part by promulgating the use of bell-labs.com. -rob >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 12 02:39:50 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78604>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 02:29:06 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78563>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 02:16:16 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au To: 9fans Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:43:38 -0400 Subject: re: Inferno info Message-Id: <96Apr12.021616edt.78563@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I had a bit of trouble getting Netscape to look at plan9.bell-labs.com. It seems that this domain name has 2 ip addresses, the first of which isn't reachable (perhaps it's behind the firewall?). This completely stumps netscape, it doesn't even try the second address. When I used http://192.20.225.253/inferno/, everything was cool... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 12 03:54:42 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78558>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:45:21 -0400 Received: from ruby.gem.co.za ([196.14.168.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78865>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:28:24 -0400 Received: from sparkly (sparkly.gem.co.za [196.14.168.32]) by ruby.gem.co.za (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18561 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:08:35 +0200 Message-ID: <316E023D.4860482B@gem.co.za> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:11:57 -0400 From: Peter Henning Organization: G.E.M. Internet Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b2 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.82 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans Subject: Re: Inferno References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ralph muha wrote: > > >Have a look at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/inferno/ > > geez, you guys are going for nothing less than > total world domination... Hey, can I install it on my toaster?? Or my microwave?? -- ________________________________________________ | * G * E * M * | http://sparkly.gem.co.za/ |\ | 11 Orphan Street | Voice:+27 21 23 7023 | | | Cape Town 8001 | Fax:+27 21 23 7055 | | | finger peterh@sparkly.gem.co.za for public key | | |____________________|___________________________| | \________________________________________________\| >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 12 04:39:40 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78426>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 04:25:45 -0400 Received: from route1.france3.fr ([194.51.91.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78878>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 04:11:18 -0400 Received: from PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id JAA08452; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:42:42 GMT Received: by PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22455; Fri, 12 Apr 96 09:43:12 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:40:45 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: the book, the cd, his wife, her lover... -- in france? Message-Id: <199604120940.18049.9.babef@france3.fr> X-Face: "9FXa*}.a4Ig(\sR0OM#]_y|o`\^3d}2f+7(xe0-vrPty-IDXF?pIZ<]+6t6*4`$o.O$bfZ+O=Y#@~tCyN-k|k,v84QVoh(? J`Xat3vNF!wX+{RuJ[{X?3x^4HR7h`I.z&> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans has anybody found it in france? i can order it, but that's a different question. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 12 04:49:55 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78844>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 04:38:32 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78879>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:53:35 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14334; Fri, 12 Apr 96 08:44:11 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA04312; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:43:58 +0100 Received: by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA02474; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:43:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:43:57 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk Message-Id: <199604120743.IAA02474@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Inferno X-Mailer: Wilymail 0.4 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Juuuust out of curiosity, how much of Inferno is new stuff, rather than new trademarks? For example, does Styx differ much from 9P? Have you managed to get Charon(tm) in there yet, or is that a future project? steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 12 06:37:43 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78438>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 06:31:34 -0400 Received: from ruby.gem.co.za ([196.14.168.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78423>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 06:30:56 -0400 Received: from sparkly (sparkly.gem.co.za [196.14.168.32]) by ruby.gem.co.za (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20071 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:30:39 +0200 Message-ID: <316E319B.7AC02A3C@gem.co.za> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 06:34:03 -0400 From: Peter Henning Organization: G.E.M. Internet Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b2 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.82 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans Subject: Re: the book, the cd, his wife, her lover... -- in france? References: <199604120940.18049.9.babef@france3.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Boyd Roberts wrote: > > has anybody found it in france? Or in South Africa for that matter...I am fed up with the limited 4-disk version and it would be nice to have a local distributor for the CD. -- ________________________________________________ | * G * E * M * | http://sparkly.gem.co.za/ |\ | 11 Orphan Street | Voice:+27 21 23 7023 | | | Cape Town 8001 | Fax:+27 21 23 7055 | | | finger peterh@sparkly.gem.co.za for public key | | |____________________|___________________________| | \________________________________________________\| >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 12 09:02:33 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78566>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:51:57 -0400 Received: from mail1.infinet.com ([206.103.240.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78565>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:51:35 -0400 Received: from day-p046.infinet.com (day-p046.infinet.com [206.103.243.48]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08399 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:46:50 -0400 (EDT) From: lutherh@infinet.com (Luther Huffman, Jr.) To: 9fans Subject: Re: Inferno info Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:50:15 -0400 Organization: Strategic Computer Solutions, Inc. Message-Id: <316e431f.4054521@mail.infinet.com> References: <9604120409.AA23667@handel.jlc.net> In-Reply-To: <9604120409.AA23667@handel.jlc.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans On Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:09:33 -0400, jpearson@handel.jlc.net (Jerry L. Pearson) wrote: >on another subject, (sort of) > >http://coriolan.amicus.com/penguin.html Penguin is a Perl module I will support on Plan 9... eventually. Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 12 13:28:22 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78562>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:54:35 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78571>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:54:13 -0400 From: "Dave Presotto" To: 9fans Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:53:53 -0400 Subject: re: Inferno info Message-Id: <96Apr12.125413edt.78571@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Thanks. We're dualled homed and one of our network providers seems to be having problems with the second address. I'll remove it for now. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Apr 13 02:47:58 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78651>; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:41:51 -0400 Received: from quux.ee.usyd.EDU.AU ([129.78.13.227]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78650>; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:41:22 -0400 Received: (from noel@localhost) by quux.ee.usyd.EDU.AU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09175 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:41:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:41:16 -0400 From: Noel Hunt Message-Id: <199604130641.QAA09175@quux.ee.usyd.EDU.AU> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Inferno info Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Penguin is a Perl module I will support on Plan 9... eventually. The nightmare encroacheth ... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Apr 13 07:04:15 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78651>; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 07:00:14 -0400 Received: from mail1.infinet.com ([206.103.240.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78649>; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 06:59:58 -0400 Received: from day-p031.infinet.com (day-p031.infinet.com [206.103.243.33]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA09397 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 06:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: lutherh@infinet.com (Luther Huffman, Jr.) To: 9fans Subject: Re: Inferno info Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 05:58:40 -0400 Organization: Strategic Computer Solutions, Inc. Message-Id: <316f7a74.2054644@mail.infinet.com> References: <199604130641.QAA09175@quux.ee.usyd.EDU.AU> In-Reply-To: <199604130641.QAA09175@quux.ee.usyd.EDU.AU> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:41:16 -0400, Noel Hunt wrote: >> Penguin is a Perl module I will support on Plan 9... eventually. > >The nightmare encroacheth ... > Well, I hadn't been planning on holding a gun to anyone's head and making them using it . . . at least until the beta testing was done. Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Apr 13 18:19:09 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78566>; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:11:15 -0400 Received: from stealth.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.4]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78558>; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:10:58 -0400 Received: by stealth.ecf.toronto.edu id <5597>; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:10:46 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: Re: More on CPU/Auth server Message-Id: <96Apr13.181046edt.5597@stealth.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:10:37 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [sorry if you see this twice, I got a bounce from my first posting] Thomas Riemer wrote: >I'm booting a PC 486 with a standalone filesystem on hd1fs as a CPU/auth >server. Note that this setup may not be safe unless you've disabled logins as none. Otherwise, someone could telnet into your auth server as none, run 'disk/kfscmd allow', and then change anything they want. I have tried this on my standalone terminal, though I haven't tested it with a cpu kernel to see if it behaves differently. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 15 00:23:17 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78713>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 00:12:42 -0400 Received: from plan9.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.9]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78711>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 00:12:26 -0400 From: steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu To: 9fans Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 00:12:00 -0400 Subject: [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Message-Id: <96Apr15.001226edt.78711@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html The following sections are new or modified recently: * All references to plan9.att.com have been changed to plan9.bell-labs.com Note that with the AT&T corporate split-up the canonical site-name has changed to plan9.bell-labs.com, and that plan9.att.com might stop working later this year. * What are Brazil and Inferno? * Is anyone working on a port for my system? * How do I Install Plan 9? * How do I setup the VGA? * How do I control the services that start at boot time? * How do I setup network services? * Where can I get unzip and gzip for Plan 9? * How do I reboot my system? * How do I tell if a file server is up? * How can I get involved? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 15 11:30:07 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78741>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:12:08 -0400 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78738>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:11:51 -0400 Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.4) with ESMTP id LAA06529 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:11:23 -0400 Received: from urd.cs.cornell.edu (URD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.254.164]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.8) with ESMTP id LAA14185 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:11:22 -0400 From: Min Huang Received: (mhuang@localhost) by urd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id LAA08992 for 9fans@cs.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:11:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:11:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199604151511.LAA08992@urd.cs.cornell.edu> To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: ioctl Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I am porting a system built on the top of Unix to Plan9. Because the system use ioctle to get network address, network configuration, I find that plan9 doesn't support SIOCGIFADDR and SIOCFIFCONF. Could you please tell me how I can modify the plan9 to make it support them. Thank you very much Stanley >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 15 13:01:06 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78743>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:37:50 -0400 Received: from route1.france3.fr ([194.51.91.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78741>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:37:32 -0400 Received: from PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id SAA00134; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:36:54 GMT Received: by PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20768; Mon, 15 Apr 96 18:37:03 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:45:09 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: ioctl In-Reply-To: <199604151511.LAA08992@urd.cs.cornell.edu> Message-Id: <199604151745.5052.9.babir@france3.fr> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: Min Huang I am porting a system built on the top of Unix to Plan9. Because the system use ioctle to get network address, network configuration, I find that plan9 doesn't support SIOCGIFADDR and SIOCFIFCONF. Could you please tell me how I can modify the plan9 to make it support them. i think you'll find the idea is not to modify plan 9, but your system. getting rid of ioctl was a feature. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 15 13:22:26 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78744>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:12:25 -0400 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78763>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:10:29 -0400 Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.4) with ESMTP id NAA10937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:07:57 -0400 Received: from seth.cs.cornell.edu (SETH.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.218.26]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.8) with ESMTP id NAA18544 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:07:55 -0400 From: Min Huang Received: (mhuang@localhost) by seth.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id NAA13156 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:07:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:07:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199604151707.NAA13156@seth.cs.cornell.edu> To: 9fans Subject: plan9 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In response to Gary Capell's message, I don't find an information I want in ctl file. I want to know the network configuration, flags, the network address, SIOCGIFNETMASK, broadcast address. Thank you very much Stanley >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 15 14:00:18 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78758>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:50:03 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78748>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:46:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:41:51 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: ioctl In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:11:19 EDT." <199604151511.LAA08992@urd.cs.cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:41:46 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Apr15.134151edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Min Huang writes: | I am porting a system built on the top of Unix to Plan9. | Because the system use ioctle to get network address, network configuration, | I find that plan9 doesn't support SIOCGIFADDR and SIOCFIFCONF. | Could you please tell me how I can modify the plan9 to make it support them. % cat '#P/ipifc' The mechanism in libc, reading /net/tcp/0/local doesn't work very well for multihomed hosts, since it returns just one number. Moreover, all the */local files return the address of the first interface, rather than the one the connection is actually on. That makes e.g. icmpfs do the wrong thing if one of the interfaces doesn't have an advertised route. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 15 19:45:22 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78795>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:36:02 -0400 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78790>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:35:45 -0400 Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.4) with ESMTP id TAA25573 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:35:33 -0400 Received: from seth.cs.cornell.edu (SETH.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.218.26]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.8) with ESMTP id TAA02301 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:35:31 -0400 From: Min Huang Received: (mhuang@localhost) by seth.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id TAA14275 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:35:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:35:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199604152335.TAA14275@seth.cs.cornell.edu> To: 9fans Subject: combine plan9 and unix Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Because ipinfo() will info about sys config, for safety, I don't mix plan9 and unix into one program. My approach is that I put the plan9 file in one file, which use ipinfo() to get network info into commond data structure. then unix file will access the same data structure to get the info. Do you think it will work? Thank you Stanley >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 15 20:40:18 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78796>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:33:13 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78779>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:31:58 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12684>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:30:11 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Subject: mothra Message-Id: <96Apr15.203011edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:30:00 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I notice that mothra doesn't react well to certain web pages, http://all.net/ for example. It looks like the event library sees something unexpected and flags an error, which causes one thread to abort(). The others hang around in a confused state. Aside from debugging the immediate problem, is there a good convention for making sure all the processes in an application go away when one does? Killing the process group sounds like the right idea at first glance. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 16 09:22:38 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78814>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:12:47 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78816>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:12:31 -0400 From: td@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:03:04 -0400 Subject: re: mothra Message-Id: <96Apr16.091231edt.78816@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >I notice that mothra doesn't react well to certain web pages, >http://all.net/ for example. It looks like the event library sees >something unexpected and flags an error, which causes one thread to >abort(). The others hang around in a confused state. Mothra was in an extremely preliminary state when the CD-ROM was cut. I will try to get the current mothra, which fixes this and many other problems, put on our ftp machine. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 16 13:35:51 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78863>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:34:02 -0400 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78859>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:33:46 -0400 Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.4) with ESMTP id MAA15811 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:33:37 -0400 Received: from laufey.cs.cornell.edu (LAUFEY.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.218.17]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.8) with ESMTP id MAA21804 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:33:36 -0400 From: Min Huang Received: (mhuang@localhost) by laufey.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id MAA26383 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:33:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:33:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199604161633.MAA26383@laufey.cs.cornell.edu> To: 9fans Subject: Unix and Plan9 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The system in Unix that I am porting to Plan9 has the following codes in udp.c which implements the BSD internet interface and can handle IP, UDP, UDP broadcast, and the Deering variations of IP and UDP. ***************************************************************************** udp.c:#include udp.c: ioctl(udp_socket, SIOCGIFCONF, &ifc) - get network configuration udp.c: (void) ioctl(udp_socket, SIOCGIFFLAGS, ifr) - get flags udp.c: (void) ioctl(udp_socket, SIOCGIFADDR, ifr) - get network address udp.c: ioctl(udp_socket, SIOCGIFNETMASK, ifr) - get network mask udp.c: (void) ioctl(udp_socket, SIOCGIFBRDADDR, ifr) - get broadcast address Also, read the gateway map table. ****************************************************************************** Could you please tell me how to get all information in Plan9? So far, I know I can use ipinfo() to get some info. but not all of them. Thank you very much >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 16 14:43:22 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78928>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:55:33 -0400 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78873>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:47:55 -0400 Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.4) with ESMTP id MAA15831 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:34:22 -0400 Received: from laufey.cs.cornell.edu (LAUFEY.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.218.17]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.8) with ESMTP id MAA21816 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:34:21 -0400 From: Min Huang Received: (mhuang@localhost) by laufey.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id MAA26388 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:34:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:34:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199604161634.MAA26388@laufey.cs.cornell.edu> To: 9fans Subject: unix -lm Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Could you please what the equivalence for Unix -lm in Plan9? Thank you very much >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 16 16:11:14 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78875>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:04:26 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78930>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:56:09 -0400 From: none@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:47:27 -0400 Subject: Re: unix -lm Message-Id: <96Apr16.145609edt.78930@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Could you please what the equivalence for Unix -lm in Plan9? Have you read the manual? Start with intro(2). >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 16 18:28:53 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78855>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:50:40 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78894>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:44:11 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:30:05 -0400 Subject: re: Unix and Plan9 Message-Id: <96Apr16.164411edt.78894@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>So far, I know I can use ipinfo() to get some info. but not all of them. some of that, including >>udp.c: (void) ioctl(udp_socket, SIOCGIFFLAGS, ifr) - get flags is peculiar to specific unix implementations (ie, not common even amongst all unix implementations, let alone plan 9), and isn't necessarily relevant. what is the application? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 17 23:20:37 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78953>; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:09:35 -0400 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.4]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78954>; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:09:16 -0400 Received: from research.att.com by ns; Wed Apr 17 23:07:18 EDT 1996 Received: from raptor.research.att.com by research; Wed Apr 17 23:05:42 EDT 1996 Received: from vrooom2.research.att.com (vroom2.research.att.com [135.104.105.21]) by raptor.research.att.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id XAA04637 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3175B37B.3D73@raptor.research.att.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:14:03 -0400 From: "C. F. Nelson" Organization: AT&T Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans Subject: "Suck" article on Inferno Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans 9fans, Todays "Suck" (http://www.suck.com/dynasuck/96/04/17) features an interesting view of Inferno vs. Java. Any comments? coop@research.att.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Apr 18 07:17:06 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78356>; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:10:38 -0400 Received: from elroy.jpl.nasa.gov ([137.78.120.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78355>; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:10:22 -0400 Received: from isolar.tujunga.ca.us by elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXR) id AA09265; Thu, 18 Apr 96 04:10:11 PDT Received: from localhost.tujunga.ca.us by isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (4.1/SATAN-6.6.6) id AA27647; Thu, 18 Apr 96 03:57:18 PDT Message-Id: <9604181057.AA27647@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US> To: 9fans Subject: Re: "Suck" article on Inferno In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:56:10 EDT." <96Apr18.000355edt.78961@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:57:05 -0400 From: Greg Earle Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > It's a fairly accurate summation of the position. Does the phrase Inferno provides a rich suite of resources, drawing from work on the ill-fated, never-quite-completed Plan 9. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ come under the "accurate" or the "fairly"? - Greg >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Apr 20 00:01:31 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78897>; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:47:33 -0400 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78934>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:47:28 -0400 Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.4) with ESMTP id SAA00862 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:36:00 -0400 Received: from grimnir.cs.cornell.edu (GRIMNIR.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.218.37]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.8) with ESMTP id SAA03796 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:35:59 -0400 From: Min Huang Received: (mhuang@localhost) by grimnir.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id SAA23011 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:35:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:35:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199604162235.SAA23011@grimnir.cs.cornell.edu> To: 9fans Subject: re: Unix and Plan9 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The system I am porting is the distributed toolkit for easy implementing distributed application on Unix. The system is built on the top of Unix. We built a MUTS layer on top of Unix which This implements the BSD internet interface for HORUS. It can handle IP, * UDP, UDP broadcast, and the Deering variations of IP and UDP. The system use unix ioctl to get network information. I am trying to use plan9 ape pcc to make it run on plan9. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 24 09:57:55 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78718>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:43:54 -0400 Received: from plan9.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.8]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78725>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:43:28 -0400 From: steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu To: 9fans Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:33:51 -0400 Subject: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Message-Id: <96Apr24.094328edt.78725@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The latest model is the SNK-010, which is slightly different than the SNK-004. The differences are improvements: there is a built-in hard plastic folding cover now, and the keys and display are larger and easier to see. The internal algorithm is the same. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 24 11:20:36 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78749>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:11:43 -0400 Received: from mail1.infinet.com ([206.103.240.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78747>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:11:11 -0400 Received: from day-p055.infinet.com (day-p055.infinet.com [206.103.243.57]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08701 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:06:23 -0400 (EDT) From: lutherh@infinet.com (Luther Huffman, Jr.) To: 9fans Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:09:53 -0400 Organization: Strategic Computer Solutions, Inc. Message-Id: <317e3600.232803@mail.infinet.com> References: <96Apr24.094328edt.78725@colossus.cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <96Apr24.094328edt.78725@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans How much does the SNK-010 cost? Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com On Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:33:51 -0400, steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu wrote: >The latest model is the SNK-010, which is slightly different than the SNK-004. >The differences are improvements: there is a built-in hard plastic folding >cover now, and the keys and display are larger and easier to see. >The internal algorithm is the same. > >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 24 11:52:07 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78736>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:43:47 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78763>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:41:39 -0400 Received: from symsun5 (symsun5.symbionics.co.uk) by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03647; Wed, 24 Apr 96 16:35:25 BST Received: from symsun3.symbionics.co.uk (sympc143) by symsun5 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20285; Wed, 24 Apr 96 16:36:55 BST Message-Id: <9604241536.AA20285@symsun5> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" To: 9fans Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:36:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.30) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > How much does the SNK-010 cost? > Oh. That reminds me. I've developed the code for a home-brew one based on an Atmel 20 pin 8051 part. The breadboard version is rather large and doesn't fit my pocket. Anyone any suggestions of feasible plastics? Nigel Roles >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Apr 24 12:22:44 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78766>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:11:44 -0400 Received: from plan9.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.9]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78761>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:08:39 -0400 From: steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu To: 9fans Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:03:37 -0400 Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Message-Id: <96Apr24.120839edt.78761@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > How much does the SNK-010 cost? We bought ours for $89 each (quantity >30), they are probably cheaper in the US. A couple years ago we bought the SNK-004 for $90 each (quantity 3). Their web site is http://www.digpath.com/ Here are the prices a Canadian reseller gave: > From: norman@hprc.utoronto.ca (Norman Wilson) > To: ut-admins@utcc.utoronto.ca > Subject: Possible bulk order of challenge/response boxes; any takers? > > Our department is planning to buy some Digital Pathways SNK-010 > challenge/response tokens. They are cheaper if bought in quantity. > Is anyone else interested in joining a bulk purchase? The price > quotes I have right now are > $129/token quantity 1-9 > $99/token quantity 10-29 > $89/token quantity >=30 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 26 03:38:48 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78842>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:26:51 -0400 Received: from ncrhub5.ncr.com ([192.127.251.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78840>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:26:34 -0400 Received: from ncrcae.UUCP (ncrcae@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id DAA05845 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:26:16 -0400 (EDT) From: postmaster@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Message-Id: <199604260726.DAA05845@ncrhub5.ncr.com> Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 26 Apr 96 03:28:21 EDT Report-Version: 2 >To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: SMTP mail failed Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:28:21 -0400 Content-Type: message To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ---------- diagnosis ---------- SMTP diagnosis, WWIS Version 3.09 : Not-Delivered-To: @ncrcae:karth@eggshel2 Due to: Transfer Failure (Error in message or message format.) 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24 Apr 96 14:48:57 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 13:31 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 13:28:51 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 11:41 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 11:39:26 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 10:12 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 10:09:48 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by casey.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 10:07 EDT Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id KAA29471 for casey.columbiasc.ncr.com!karth; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 10:07:21 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78718>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:43:54 -0400 Received: from plan9.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.8]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78725>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:43:28 -0400 >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: plan9.ecf.toronto.edu!steve To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:33:51 -0400 Subject: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Message-Id: <96Apr24.094328edt.78725@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Content-Length: 257 Content-Type: text Auto-Forwarded-From: casey!karth Auto-Forward-Count: 1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The latest model is the SNK-010, which is slightly different than the SNK-004. The differences are improvements: there is a built-in hard plastic folding cover now, and the keys and display are larger and easier to see. The internal algorithm is the same. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 26 03:47:44 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78843>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:37:50 -0400 Received: from ncrhub5.ncr.com ([192.127.251.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78839>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:26:32 -0400 Received: from ncrcae.UUCP (ncrcae@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id DAA05841 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:26:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,lo,dbm 03/23/95 43) Message-Id: <199604260726.DAA05841@ncrhub5.ncr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:28:19 -0400 Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Too many hops ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Apr 24 09:33:51 0400 1996 From: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Fri, 26 Apr 96 02:11 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 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24 Apr 96 11:39:26 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 10:12 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 10:09:48 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by casey.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 10:07 EDT Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id KAA29471 for casey.columbiasc.ncr.com!karth; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 10:07:21 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78718>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:43:54 -0400 Received: from plan9.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.8]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78725>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:43:28 -0400 >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: plan9.ecf.toronto.edu!steve To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:33:51 -0400 Subject: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Message-Id: <96Apr24.094328edt.78725@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Content-Length: 257 Content-Type: text Auto-Forwarded-From: casey!karth Auto-Forward-Count: 1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The latest model is the SNK-010, which is slightly different than the SNK-004. The differences are improvements: there is a built-in hard plastic folding cover now, and the keys and display are larger and easier to see. The internal algorithm is the same. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 26 04:12:27 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78844>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:43 -0400 Received: from ncrhub5.ncr.com ([192.127.251.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78843>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:26 -0400 Received: from ncrcae.UUCP (ncrcae@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id EAA08358 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,lo,dbm 03/23/95 43) Message-Id: <199604260800.EAA08358@ncrhub5.ncr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:01:59 -0400 Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Too many hops ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Apr 24 10:09:53 0400 1996 From: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Fri, 26 Apr 96 02:34 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 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24 Apr 96 11:24:26 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by casey.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 11:22 EDT Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub4.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id LAA01990 for casey.columbiasc.ncr.com!karth; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 11:21:35 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78749>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:11:43 -0400 Received: from mail1.infinet.com ([206.103.240.3]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78747>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:11:11 -0400 Received: from day-p055.infinet.com (day-p055.infinet.com [206.103.243.57]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08701 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:06:23 -0400 (EDT) >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: infinet.com!lutherh (Luther Huffman, Jr.) To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:09:53 -0400 Organization: Strategic Computer Solutions, Inc. Message-Id: <317e3600.232803@mail.infinet.com> References: <96Apr24.094328edt.78725@colossus.cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <96Apr24.094328edt.78725@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Content-Length: 407 Content-Type: text Auto-Forwarded-From: casey!karth Auto-Forward-Count: 1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu How much does the SNK-010 cost? Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com On Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:33:51 -0400, steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu wrote: >The latest model is the SNK-010, which is slightly different than the SNK-004. >The differences are improvements: there is a built-in hard plastic folding >cover now, and the keys and display are larger and easier to see. >The internal algorithm is the same. > >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 26 04:24:41 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78843>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:11:22 -0400 Received: from ncrhub5.ncr.com ([192.127.251.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78840>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:27 -0400 Received: from ncrcae.UUCP (ncrcae@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id EAA08367 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: postmaster@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Message-Id: <199604260800.EAA08367@ncrhub5.ncr.com> Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 26 Apr 96 04:02:04 EDT Report-Version: 2 >To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: SMTP mail failed Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:02:04 -0400 Content-Type: message To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ---------- diagnosis ---------- SMTP diagnosis, WWIS Version 3.09 : Not-Delivered-To: @ncrcae:karth@eggshel2 Due to: Transfer Failure (Error in message or message format.) 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Message-Id: <317e3600.232803@mail.infinet.com> References: <96Apr24.094328edt.78725@colossus.cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <96Apr24.094328edt.78725@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Content-Length: 407 Content-Type: text Auto-Forwarded-From: casey!karth Auto-Forward-Count: 1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu How much does the SNK-010 cost? Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com On Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:33:51 -0400, steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu wrote: >The latest model is the SNK-010, which is slightly different than the SNK-004. >The differences are improvements: there is a built-in hard plastic folding >cover now, and the keys and display are larger and easier to see. >The internal algorithm is the same. > >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 26 05:16:12 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78848>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:44:12 -0400 Received: from ncrhub5.ncr.com ([192.127.251.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78846>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:43:50 -0400 Received: from ncrcae.UUCP (ncrcae@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id EAA11842 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: postmaster@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Message-Id: <199604260843.EAA11842@ncrhub5.ncr.com> Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 26 Apr 96 04:45:33 EDT Report-Version: 2 >To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: SMTP mail failed Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:45:33 -0400 Content-Type: message To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ---------- diagnosis ---------- SMTP diagnosis, WWIS Version 3.09 : Not-Delivered-To: @ncrcae:karth@eggshel2 Due to: Transfer Failure (Error in message or message format.) 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Wed, 24 Apr 96 16:36:55 BST >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans Message-Id: <9604241536.AA20285@symsun5> Comments: Authenticated sender is >From: symbionics.co.uk!ngr ("Nigel Roles") To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:36:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 268 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Auto-Forwarded-From: casey!karth Auto-Forward-Count: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.30) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > How much does the SNK-010 cost? > Oh. That reminds me. I've developed the code for a home-brew one based on an Atmel 20 pin 8051 part. The breadboard version is rather large and doesn't fit my pocket. Anyone any suggestions of feasible plastics? Nigel Roles >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 26 05:46:01 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78840>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:15:08 -0400 Received: from ncrhub5.ncr.com ([192.127.251.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78845>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:43:49 -0400 Received: from ncrcae.UUCP (ncrcae@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id EAA11839 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,lo,dbm 03/23/95 43) Message-Id: <199604260843.EAA11839@ncrhub5.ncr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:45:31 -0400 Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Too many hops ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Apr 24 11:36:17 0400 1996 From: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Fri, 26 Apr 96 03:30 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 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charset=US-ASCII Auto-Forwarded-From: casey!karth Auto-Forward-Count: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.30) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > How much does the SNK-010 cost? > Oh. That reminds me. I've developed the code for a home-brew one based on an Atmel 20 pin 8051 part. The breadboard version is rather large and doesn't fit my pocket. Anyone any suggestions of feasible plastics? Nigel Roles >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 26 06:29:48 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78891>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:04:02 -0400 Received: from ncrhub5.ncr.com ([192.127.251.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78879>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:46:45 -0400 Received: from ncrcae.UUCP (ncrcae@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id FAA15794 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:30:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Router (smail 2.9 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,lo,dbm 03/23/95 43) Message-Id: <199604260930.FAA15794@ncrhub5.ncr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:32:00 -0400 Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Too many hops ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Apr 24 12:03:37 0400 1996 From: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Fri, 26 Apr 96 04:19 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 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24 Apr 96 14:06:53 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 12:43 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 12:40:44 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by casey.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 12:38 EDT Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id MAA20687 for casey.columbiasc.ncr.com!karth; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 12:23:40 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78766>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:11:44 -0400 Received: from plan9.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.9]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78761>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:08:39 -0400 >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: plan9.ecf.toronto.edu!steve To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:03:37 -0400 Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Message-Id: <96Apr24.120839edt.78761@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Content-Length: 746 Content-Type: text Auto-Forwarded-From: casey!karth Auto-Forward-Count: 1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > How much does the SNK-010 cost? We bought ours for $89 each (quantity >30), they are probably cheaper in the US. A couple years ago we bought the SNK-004 for $90 each (quantity 3). Their web site is http://www.digpath.com/ Here are the prices a Canadian reseller gave: > From: norman@hprc.utoronto.ca (Norman Wilson) > To: ut-admins@utcc.utoronto.ca > Subject: Possible bulk order of challenge/response boxes; any takers? > > Our department is planning to buy some Digital Pathways SNK-010 > challenge/response tokens. They are cheaper if bought in quantity. > Is anyone else interested in joining a bulk purchase? The price > quotes I have right now are > $129/token quantity 1-9 > $99/token quantity 10-29 > $89/token quantity >=30 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Apr 26 06:55:32 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78878>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:28:42 -0400 Received: from ncrhub5.ncr.com ([192.127.251.11]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78880>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:46:47 -0400 Received: from ncrcae.UUCP (ncrcae@localhost) by ncrhub5.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id FAA15807 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:30:08 -0400 (EDT) From: postmaster@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Message-Id: <199604260930.FAA15807@ncrhub5.ncr.com> Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 26 Apr 96 05:32:04 EDT Report-Version: 2 >To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: SMTP mail failed Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:32:03 -0400 Content-Type: message To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ---------- diagnosis ---------- SMTP diagnosis, WWIS Version 3.09 : Not-Delivered-To: @ncrcae:karth@eggshel2 Due to: Transfer Failure (Error in message or message format.) 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24 Apr 96 16:38:44 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 15:22 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 15:19:40 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 14:09 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 14:06:53 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by bharat.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 12:43 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 12:40:44 EDT Received: from cse.psu.edu by casey.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; Wed, 24 Apr 96 12:38 EDT Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub7.ncr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id MAA20687 for casey.columbiasc.ncr.com!karth; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ncrgw1.NCR.COM; 24 Apr 96 12:23:40 EDT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78766>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:11:44 -0400 Received: from plan9.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.9]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78761>; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:08:39 -0400 >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: cse.psu.edu!9fans >From: plan9.ecf.toronto.edu!steve To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:03:37 -0400 Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Message-Id: <96Apr24.120839edt.78761@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Content-Length: 746 Content-Type: text Auto-Forwarded-From: casey!karth Auto-Forward-Count: 1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > How much does the SNK-010 cost? We bought ours for $89 each (quantity >30), they are probably cheaper in the US. A couple years ago we bought the SNK-004 for $90 each (quantity 3). Their web site is http://www.digpath.com/ Here are the prices a Canadian reseller gave: > From: norman@hprc.utoronto.ca (Norman Wilson) > To: ut-admins@utcc.utoronto.ca > Subject: Possible bulk order of challenge/response boxes; any takers? > > Our department is planning to buy some Digital Pathways SNK-010 > challenge/response tokens. They are cheaper if bought in quantity. > Is anyone else interested in joining a bulk purchase? The price > quotes I have right now are > $129/token quantity 1-9 > $99/token quantity 10-29 > $89/token quantity >=30 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Apr 28 11:50:24 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79196>; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 11:34:02 -0400 Received: from attila.stevens-tech.edu ([155.246.1.36]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79194>; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 11:33:45 -0400 Received: (from jmcnalle@localhost) by attila.stevens-tech.edu (8.6.13/8.6.12) id LAA03293 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 11:33:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 11:33:34 -0400 From: James McNalley Message-Id: <199604281533.LAA03293@attila.stevens-tech.edu> To: 9fans Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans What is a SNK-010, and how do you build one with an 8051? In article <9604241536.AA20285@symsun5> you wrote: : > How much does the SNK-010 cost? : > : Oh. That reminds me. I've developed the code for a home-brew one : based on an Atmel 20 pin 8051 part. The breadboard version is rather : large and doesn't fit my pocket. Anyone any suggestions of feasible : plastics? : : Nigel Roles -- James E. McNalley | I need a summer job, email me for a copy of my resume! Linux / Unix hacker| I'm interested in system / network administration, Hoboken, NJ | and have experience. Hopefully in NYC area. jmcnalle@attila.stevens-tech.edu >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Apr 28 15:46:02 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78362>; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:39:14 -0400 Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk ([192.76.32.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78363>; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:38:56 -0400 From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk To: 9fans Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 14:35:57 -0400 Subject: mistake in update to 9/pc/devvga.c Message-Id: <96Apr28.153856edt.78363@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The 16-Feb-96 update 9/pc/824494421.rc introduced a change in devvga.c to allow bitreset() to preallocate screen bitmap space. But there's a small mistake in the code which causes a miscalculation of the amount of space to allocate. A simple correction is given by the following diff (against 9/pc/devvga.c after the application of 824494421.rc): 700,701c700 < for(; (1< gscreen.ldepth = z; -- Richard Miller >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Apr 28 21:14:42 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78409>; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:07:15 -0400 Received: from westlake.tkg.com ([198.3.130.68]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78408>; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:06:54 -0400 Received: from argent.tkg.com (argent.tkg.com [198.3.130.66]) by westlake.tkg.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA27244 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 20:06:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:06:36 -0400 From: Castor Fu To: 9fans Subject: dual boot Plan9/Win95 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I installed Microsoft Windows 95 on my laptop which already had Plan9 9 happily running. With a little work, I've gotten Plan 9 and Win95 to coexist in a dual boot situation, and no longer have to boot into MS-DOS. Hopefully these notes will help others that want to do the same. MS Win95 has three main configuration files in the boot phase. I found documentation on these in the "Windows 95 Resource Kit" which was located in the "ADMIN" directory of the distribution CD-ROM. These files are: msdos.sys: controls the initial boot menu, dos/win95 dual boot, etc. When screwing around with config files, it's good to set "BootMenu=1" here to allow safe exit. config.sys: used to load real mode drivers, i.e. dos/windows holdovers autoexec.bat: Used to set environment variables, and has some ability to run programs. In config.sys, it's possible to set up multiple boot configurations, but the execution rules do not seem to be the same as in MS-DOS. For Plan9 I set up a boot configuration which immediately installs B.COM. Win95 versions of drivers like "setver" and "emm386" and the I/O Redirector still seem to get loaded. Luckily they don't seem to conflict with b.com. Things seem to work pretty well. The most noticeable problem is that rebooting with "^T^Tr" does not work going back into Win95, probably because the Plug and Play BIOS does not get re-executed. I used the following in my config.sys file: [menu] menucolor=10 menuitem=win95 menuitem=plan9 [win95] rem These two lines processed by io.sys in win95 DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\SETVER.EXE DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS/M:2 /testmem:off rem handled by io.sys in win95 DOS=HIGH,UMB FILES=40 LASTDRIVE=Z rem leave space for cardsoft rem emm386.exe processed by config.sys in w95 device=C:\WINDOWS\emm386.exe on X=D000-DFFF break=on SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /P /E:1024 [plan9] install=c:\plan9\b.com My MSDOS.SYS looks like: [Paths] UninstallDir=C:\ WinDir=C:\WINDOWS WinBootDir=C:\WINDOWS HostWinBootDrv=C [Options] BootGUI=1 Network=1 ; Setting this to one forces the boot menu BootMenu=0 BootMulti=1 ; following lines are required for other programs. ; Do not remove them (MSDOS.SYS needs to be >1024 bytes). [ dos fodder elided ] --------------------- Castor Fu +1.512.433.3329 The Kernel Group, Inc. http://www.tkg.com/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 29 03:59:00 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78427>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 03:49:51 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78433>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 03:43:27 -0400 Received: from symsun5 (symsun5.symbionics.co.uk) by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07032; Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:30:54 BST Received: from symsun3.symbionics.co.uk (sympc143) by symsun5 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09294; Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:31:57 BST Message-Id: <9604290731.AA09294@symsun5> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" To: 9fans Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 03:31:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.30) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > What is a SNK-010, and how do you build one with an 8051? > It's the Securenet box refered to in the manuals, that is a pocket-sized DES encryption box. You use it to calculate the response to a challenge when connecting to a Plan 9 network from the outside. for example, across the Internet using ftp or telnet. The box is ~$100, so I thought I'd build one for the hell of it. It would be cheaper, if only I could find a box small enough with a 12 key keypad, a battery compartmernt, and somewhere to put an LCD. Nigel Roles >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 29 04:51:39 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78427>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 04:42:36 -0400 Received: from carina.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE ([131.173.128.25]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78429>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 04:34:22 -0400 Received: from dosuni.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (dosuni.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.160.1]) by carina.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26856 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:27:43 +0200 Received: from mordor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by dosuni.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23407; Mon, 29 Apr 96 10:27:41 +0200 Message-Id: <9604290827.AA23407@dosuni.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Received: by mordor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA17550; Mon, 29 Apr 96 10:27:37 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Gunther Imeyer Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 04:27:34 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Graphic Cards Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, do there exist any new vgadb possibilities for a graphic card like the Miro Crystal 22SD with the S3 Trio64 chip. Though it runs with the 640x400 and an s3928 ctrl under vgadb it cannot be used for any other resolution. What a pity !! So do I have to buy a new card or can I use the S3 Trio64 on a plan9 somehow ? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 29 06:41:29 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78409>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 06:27:14 -0400 Received: from symbionics.co.uk ([158.43.6.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78436>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 06:23:02 -0400 Received: from sympc150.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08671; Mon, 29 Apr 96 11:18:25 BST Message-Id: <9604291018.AA08671@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Johnston" Organization: Symbionics Ltd. To: 9fans Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 07:16:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Graphic Cards Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.30) Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Guther Imeyer writes: > So do I have to buy a new card or can I use the S3 Trio64 on a > plan9 somehow ? > I've been using a Videologic GrafixStar 300 with a S3 Trio 64, with no problems. >From memory, the vgadb entry went something like this: ctrl ctlr 0xC0044="VideoLogic GrafixStar 300" link=vga hwgc=s3hwgc ctlr=trio64 That's what I can remember, you'll need to check the details (I'm at work at the moment :-( ). The nice bit is that since everything is on one chip, the board manufacturer can't do anything to mess you up. BUT!! I've now got a 4MB VRAM #9FX Motion 771 with a 220Mhz IBMRGB524 and an S3 Vision968 controller, which I've failed to get talking in anything other than standard VGA mode. Does anyone have the magic voodoo for vgadb, or will it require some more code? The drivers for the ramdac and 968 are all there, but stringing them together has proved beyond meagre abilities. David Johnston >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 29 11:25:13 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78523>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:16:06 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78529>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:15:00 -0400 From: "jim mckie" To: 9fans Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:48:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Graphic Cards Message-Id: <96Apr29.111500edt.78529@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The 16-Feb-96 update/cmd/aux/vga/824494834.rc on plan9.bell-labs.com contains the changes to aux/vga for both the #9 Motion 771 and cards based on the S3 Trio64 and Trio64V+. --jim >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 29 20:50:26 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78655>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:41:19 -0400 Received: from cc04du.unity.ncsu.edu ([152.1.1.175]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78626>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:41:03 -0400 Received: by cc04du.unity.ncsu.edu (8.6.11/UC06jan95) id UAA14547; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:40:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:40:57 -0400 From: cddukes@unity.ncsu.edu Message-Id: <199604300040.UAA14547@cc04du.unity.ncsu.edu> To: 9fans Subject: Re: fyi - regarding SNK authentication boxes Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 In-Reply-To: <9604290731.AA09294@symsun5> Organization: North Carolina State University Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Where could one get specs on the scheme. This sounds like a wonderful excuse for me to go looking at HP palmtops. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 29 20:55:06 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78626>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:51:15 -0400 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.4]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78665>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:49:34 -0400 Received: from research.att.com by ns; Mon Apr 29 20:39:25 EDT 1996 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:39:25 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: 9fans Subject: vt100 Message-Id: <96Apr29.204934edt.78665@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello there. Has anyone written a vt100 emulator for Plan9? Thanks. Russ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Apr 29 21:34:46 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78658>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:29:13 -0400 Received: from borg.mindspring.com ([204.180.128.14]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78663>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:28:57 -0400 Received: from user-168-121-120-68.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.120.68] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id VAA04035 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:28:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199604300128.VAA04035@borg.mindspring.com> X-Sender: vtipres@pop.atl.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:31:35 -0400 To: 9fans From: Shon Frazier Subject: help Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans //Can I subscribe to a mailing list here? //If so, please instruct... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 30 02:39:05 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78685>; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:34:53 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78669>; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:30:43 -0400 From: geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:29:41 -0400 subject: vt100 Message-Id: <96Apr30.023043edt.78669@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans if your application can do it, use hp 2621 emulation instead: run hp on plan 9 and set TERM=2621 on unix. i have an ascend pipeline 50 isdn/ethernet bridge that will only talk to a vt100 or reasonable emulation thereof when being configured (it has an awful fake window system using cursor addressing). i took the old at&t 5620 emulator from the jerq world and merged it with hp to produce 56, which emulates enough of a vt100 for my purposes, notably the main ansi escape sequences but not the weird graphics character set. the old 5620 emulator was covered by 5620 software licences, so 56 is probably only available to folks who have both a plan 9 licence and an appropriate 5620 software source licence (and can prove it). it should be straightforward to modify a copy of hp to emulate a vt100. in lieu of a vt100 manual or the terminal escape sequence standard (ansi x3.64 or iso/iec 6429:1992 or ecma-48), see ftp://cs.utk.edu/pub/shuford/terminal/. if you do want the standard, it's supposedly available free by sending mail asking for ECMA-48 to helpdesk@ecma.ch and including your paper mail address. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Apr 30 03:07:21 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78693>; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 03:03:07 -0400 Received: from route1.france3.fr ([194.51.91.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78689>; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 03:00:56 -0400 Received: from PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id IAA01419; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:56:12 GMT Received: by PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06288; Tue, 30 Apr 96 08:56:46 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:54:58 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: vt100 In-Reply-To: <96Apr29.204934edt.78665@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Message-Id: <199604300854.5237.9.babuj@france3.fr> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: Russ Cox Hello there. Has anyone written a vt100 emulator for Plan9? Thanks. what'd yer want that piece of new-fangle technology for? aren't you happy with 3270? check out aux/3270.