>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jun 3 10:22:12 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78650>; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:03:44 -0400 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.16.10]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78653>; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:03:27 -0400 Received: from hazard.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA28383 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:59:52 +0300 From: Amos Shapir Received: (from amos@localhost) by hazard.cs.huji.ac.il (8.7/1.1c) id QAA00363; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:59:36 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:59:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199606031359.QAA00363@hazard.cs.huji.ac.il> To: 9fans Subject: Bug in sysrendezvous? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The "tag" operand of rendezvous is defined as ulong; but in the function sysrendezvous (in sysproc.c), it's copied into an int, which is used as an index in a table by the REND macro. If I'm mistaken correctly, this means that if the tag is negative, the resulting pointer would point *outside* the table! I guess this bug was not discovered because the tag is usually an address in user space, but nothing in the manual suggests it has to be below 0x80000000 (or that it shouldn't be 0xdeadbeef...) Did anybody else had any trouble with this? Amos Shapir Net: amos@cs.huji.ac.il Paper: The Hebrew Univ. of Jerusalem, Dept. of Comp. Science. Givat-Ram, Jerusalem 91904, Israel GEO: 35 11 46 E / 31 46 21 N >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jun 3 12:38:34 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78675>; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:27:57 -0400 Received: from route1.france3.fr ([194.51.91.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78673>; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:27:34 -0400 Received: by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id SAA06496; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:26:56 GMT Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78562>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:54:35 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([192.20.225.253]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78571>; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:54:13 -0400 From: "Dave Presotto" To: 9fans Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:53:53 -0400 Subject: re: Inferno info Message-Id: <96Apr12.125413edt.78571@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Thanks. We're dualled homed and one of our network providers seems to be having problems with the second address. I'll remove it for now. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jun 3 13:11:17 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78671>; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:59:51 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([204.178.16.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78676>; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:59:34 -0400 From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:56:03 -0400 Subject: re: Bug in sysrendezvous? Message-Id: <96Jun3.125934edt.78676@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans correct, stupid bug. the fix is to make the tag unsigned. long sysrendezvous(ulong *arg) { Proc *p, **l; ulong val, tag; >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jun 6 10:09:46 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79013>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:54:14 -0400 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu ([141.209.20.201]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79015>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:47:59 -0400 Received: from cps203.cps.cmich.edu (cps203.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.203]) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA09113 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:42:38 -0400 From: Ishwar Rattan Received: (rattan@localhost) by cps203.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04923 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:43:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:43:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199606061343.JAA04923@cps203.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans Subject: u9fs question.. Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I assume that it is possible to run u9fs on a UNIX box (and can be accessed by terminals running on PCs). Has anybody made it work under Solaris 2.4 (running on a SS20)? Thanks in advance. Ishwar Rattan >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jun 6 10:47:40 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79022>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:34:47 -0400 Received: from Draculina.nns.ru ([194.135.102.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79032>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:26:17 -0400 Received: from Alyona.office.nns.ru (Alyona.office.nns.ru [192.168.1.3]) by Draculina.nns.ru (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22182 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:18:31 +0400 (MSD) Received: from Alyona.office.nns.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Alyona.office.nns.ru (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19803 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:18:30 +0400 (MSD) To: 9fans Subject: Re: u9fs question.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jun 1996 09:43:10 EDT." <199606061343.JAA04923@cps203.cps.cmich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19798.834070710.1@Alyona.office.nns.ru> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:18:30 -0400 Message-ID: <19800.834070710@Alyona.office.nns.ru> From: Nickolay Saukh Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > I assume that it is possible to run u9fs on a UNIX box (and can > be accessed by terminals running on PCs). Has anybody made it work > under Solaris 2.4 (running on a SS20)? Yes, I had done that. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jun 6 17:16:04 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78731>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:01:35 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78722>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:01:18 -0400 Received: (from taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) id OAA09320; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:01:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199606062101.OAA09320@skat.usc.edu> From: Ta-Wei Li To: 9fans In-reply-to: rattan@cps.cmich.EDU's message of Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:10:01 GMT Subject: Re: u9fs question.. References: <199606061343.JAA04923@cps203.cps.cmich.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>>>> "Ishwar" == Ishwar Rattan writes: Ishwar> I assume that it is possible to run u9fs on a UNIX box Ishwar> (and can be accessed by terminals running on PCs). Has Ishwar> anybody made it work under Solaris 2.4 (running on a Ishwar> SS20)? It should compiled out of box on a Solaris machine. The rest is to set up inetd.conf to run u9fs on the u9fs port. Follow the read me in the u9fs. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 7 09:36:38 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79209>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:26:27 -0400 Received: from lotus.mit.edu ([18.88.1.41]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78757>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:26:11 -0400 Received: by lotus.mit.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C-erl) id AA22239; Fri, 7 Jun 96 09:26:08 -0400 Message-Id: <31B82F85.3960@erl.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:32:53 -0400 From: "Joseph R. Matarese" Organization: nCUBE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans Subject: [Fwd: Sparc IPX install help] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------30C4E37356F" Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------30C4E37356F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for all the header garbage... Trying to find the right channel. --------------30C4E37356F Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from SENATOR-BEDFELLOW.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27479; Thu, 6 Jun 96 19:29:32 EDT Received: (from news@localhost) by senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU (8.6.13/2.3JIK) id TAA04397; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:31:05 -0400 To: comp-os-plan9@uunet.uu.net Path: usenet From: "Joseph R. Matarese" Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 Subject: Sparc IPX install help Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 19:37:50 -0400 Organization: nCUBE Corporation Lines: 25 Message-Id: <31B76BCE.7691@erl.mit.edu> Reply-To: matarese@ncube.com Nntp-Posting-Host: kola.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Cc: matarese@MIT.EDU X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 I'm doing an install on a Sparc IPX from u9fs on a Sparc 2. I've gotten TFTP to work; /sparc/9ss loads okay. The boot process begins okay; I answer all prompts appropriately, as far as I can tell. After logging in as user "none", I get as far as: ...session...time init: starting /bin/rc init: exec error: file does not exist init: rc exit status: init #: exec These three lines repeat ad infinitum with # incrementing (just like init.c error logic indicates). Now I've made sure that /bin/rc exists under the plan9 root. (I copied it from /sparc/bin just in case.) I've also created user "none" and copied the files in /usr/tor to /usr/none. What file might exec be referring to? Can someone having experience in a similar installation give me a hint or two? What stupid thing am I overlooking? Thanks. joe --- nCUBE/MIT, Cambridge, MA, USA --------------30C4E37356F-- >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 7 15:36:26 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79223>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:24:57 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79220>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:24:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12696>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:24:20 -0400 To: 9fans Cc: matarese@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: Sparc IPX install help] In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jun 1996 09:32:53 EDT." <31B82F85.3960@erl.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:24:15 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jun7.152420edt.12696@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, at least use charset=utf-8 and 8bit encoding. | I'm doing an install on a Sparc IPX from u9fs on a Sparc 2. You shouldn't have to copy rc. Does your u9fs chroot to the right place? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 7 17:11:34 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79254>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:00:15 -0400 Received: from gco.apana.org.au ([202.12.88.138]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79250>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:59:58 -0400 From: rajt@gco.apana.org.au (Raj Thomas) To: 9fans Subject: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:05:27 -0400 Message-Id: <31b88b74.1373797@gco.apana.org.au> References: <199605291201.10943.out.babam@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> In-Reply-To: <199605291201.10943.out.babam@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------- Octopus traps summer's moonspun dreams soon fade away. Basho 1644 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 7 17:28:50 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79256>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:20:44 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79261>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:19:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12696>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:18:53 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jun 1996 16:05:27 EDT." <31b88b74.1373797@gco.apana.org.au> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:18:42 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jun7.171853edt.12696@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Reminder: unsubscribe messages must go to 9fans-request. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 7 18:16:06 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79259>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:08:02 -0400 Received: from is2.NYU.EDU ([128.122.250.21]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79250>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:07:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by is2.NYU.EDU; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/23Sep94-1121PM) id AA29106; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:03:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:03:24 -0400 From: "Michael C. Montero" To: 9fans Cc: 9fans Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <31b88b74.1373797@gco.apana.org.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans unsubscribe >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 7 18:22:45 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79255>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:15:08 -0400 Received: from is2.NYU.EDU ([128.122.250.21]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79270>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:07:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by is2.NYU.EDU; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/23Sep94-1121PM) id AA32043; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:04:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:04:02 -0400 From: "Michael C. Montero" To: 9fans In-Reply-To: <31b88b74.1373797@gco.apana.org.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans unsubscribe >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 7 19:28:34 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <79261>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:21:03 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <79254>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:20:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12696>; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:20:35 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: your mail In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jun 1996 18:03:24 EDT." Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:20:21 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jun7.192035edt.12696@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans "Michael C. Montero" writes: | unsubscribe Ok, let's try it again: unsubscribe messages sent to 9fans will be ignored, while messages sent to 9fans-request will be automatically processed. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jun 12 14:31:02 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78361>; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:03:30 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78368>; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:02:41 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:53:05 -0400 subject: bug in aux/listen Message-Id: <96Jun12.140241edt.78368@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans aux/listen does an rfork sharing memory to create the listener for each service. that also ensures that Subsequent forks by the parent will then propagate the shared data and bss between children. [rfork(2)] aux/listen later forks a process to handle each incoming call. that doesn't specify RFMEM, but is still sharing memory. perhaps that was expected, but in any case, the later becomenone() calls newns, which uses bio to read /lib/namespace, and malloc is called, but the libc.h version doesn't expect to share memory; mayhem ensues. there are safe versions of malloc (for instance in /sys/src/cmd/ndb), or one could rewrite listen in Alef, but for now it seems easier just to be a bit less efficient. listen doesn't seem to rely on sharing memory. forse% diff $home/cd/cmd/aux/listen.c /sys/src/cmd/aux/listen.c 100c100 < switch(rfork(RFFDG|RFPROC|RFMEM)){ --- > switch(rfork(RFFDG|RFPROC)){ /* had RFMEM */ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jun 13 08:57:29 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78439>; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:47:20 -0400 Received: from netra.soft.net ([164.164.128.17]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78436>; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:47:04 -0400 Received: from stpb.soft.net by netra.soft.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04245; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:13:08 +0500 Received: from samar.sas.soft.net (sas.sas.soft.net) by stpb.soft.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26191; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:08:05 +0500 Received: from sassun20.sas.soft.net (sassun20 [164.164.56.20]) by samar.sas.soft.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13682 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:18:17 +0500 Received: from sassun6.soft.net (sassun6 [164.164.56.6]) by sassun20.sas.soft.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA18100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:19:15 +0500 (GMT+0500) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:19:15 -0400 From: Kiran Pamnany Message-Id: <199606131319.SAA18100@sassun20.sas.soft.net> To: 9fans Subject: Problem ordering the distribution Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'd finally convinced the company to buy Plan 9. So, they sent out the purchase order to the guy who sources our stuff from the US (we're in India), and he's got back to us saying that he's getting the manuals for $437.50 and the whole package for $550 plus! Which, alas, is enough more than the stated cost for the company to suddenly start questioning the order all over again :( Has the price changed or something? And, is it possible that he's talking to a dealer who's charging him more? I thought it could only be ordered from Harcourt Brace and Company at 800 782 4479. Tell me what's up, please! After months of arguing ("yes, I know that buying it is not justifiable commercially, but..."), to finally convince them and then to have this happen is too much, even for a patient soul such as I... --Kiran >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 14 01:16:27 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78583>; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:02:06 -0400 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM ([192.9.25.1]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78582>; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:01:49 -0400 Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id WAA11204; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:01:35 -0700 Received: from lupa.eng.sun.com by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id WAA01134; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:01:32 -0700 Received: by lupa.eng.sun.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01418; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:00:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:00:55 -0400 From: Robert.Corbett@Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Corbett) Message-Id: <9606140500.AA01418@lupa.eng.sun.com> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Problem ordering the distribution Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 In-Reply-To: <199606131319.SAA18100@sassun20.sas.soft.net> Organization: Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <199606131319.SAA18100@sassun20.sas.soft.net> you write: >I'd finally convinced the company to buy Plan 9. So, they sent out the >purchase order to the guy who sources our stuff from the US (we're in >India), and he's got back to us saying that he's getting the manuals for >$437.50 and the whole package for $550 plus! Which, alas, is enough more >than the stated cost for the company to suddenly start questioning the >order all over again :( > >Has the price changed or something? And, is it possible that he's >talking to a dealer who's charging him more? I thought it could only be >ordered from Harcourt Brace and Company at 800 782 4479. > > --Kiran I got the whole package for $350 from Harcourt Brace. I know the Computer Literacy bookstore in San Jose sells the whole package for $437.50. They also sell the manuals separately for $437.50. I think they are confused, not malicious. Sincerely, Bob Corbett >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jun 15 00:18:17 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78694>; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:12:43 -0400 Received: from plan9.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.9]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78693>; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:12:27 -0400 From: steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu To: 9fans Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:12:04 -0400 Subject: [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Message-Id: <96Jun15.001227edt.78693@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jun 15 10:34:18 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78707>; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 10:26:14 -0400 Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net ([158.152.1.77]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78664>; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 10:25:58 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ad27471; 15 Jun 96 14:27 +0100 Received: from opensol.demon.co.uk ([158.152.19.234]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa13818; 14 Jun 96 11:08 +0100 Received: by opensol.demon.co.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06131; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:52:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 05:52:58 -0400 From: Steve Simon Message-Id: <9606140952.AA06131@opensol.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Problem ordering the distribution X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans RE: Very expensive Plan9 distribution I have been quoted 257 UK pounds from Harcourt Brace in London including Tax, however it is available to special order only and requires 6 to 8 weeks for delivery (sigh). I would be interested if anyone knows of a UK distributer who has it available ex-stock. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jun 15 17:14:32 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78700>; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:07:11 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.33.120]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78696>; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:06:55 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:59:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Problem ordering the distribution Message-Id: <96Jun15.170655edt.78696@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>I would be interested if anyone knows of a UK distributer who >>has it available ex-stock. i suspect you are unlikely to find it in stock in this country. try http://www.amazon.com i haven't yet had anything i needed to order from them, but john mashey recommended it in comp.arch earlier this year and i had a look at it: quite impressive. there are some peculiar cross references and reviews on the page for the operating system Plan 9 (there are several other pages for books and things related to the film). it is down there as `special order' but i have a feeling you might find them more efficient. HBJ here have always been fairly hopeless. the people who answer the phones are very nice, but the more highly-paid sales staff have always been out to lunch (in every sense) when i've tried to deal with them. it's a mystery to me how they make money. perhaps a competitor pays them not to sell things. that would explain all those Linux and Java books i suppose. but i digress ... i'd give amazon a go. by the way, if you order the kit with just the books, remember to complain and ask for money back from customs (often this is done via the courier) if they charge duty and VAT on the books themselves since they are duty and VAT free. you'll pay duty and VAT on the Fedex charges, though. the kit that includes the software tends to get the full duty and VAT treatment since it's a composite item and they'll charge on the full thing since they've got no way of separating the CD cost (on which you pay duty and VAT) from the books (on which you wouldn't). that's reflected in the HBJ price you quoted (and they obviously include a few lunches as well). someone here managed to fight his way through to Harcourt Brace in the US and got them Fedex'd to him quickly. i believe he mentioned that he needed them urgently for a student project (that was true, but you could make something up: a gift for Craig Shergold, for instance). i also got a book kit and a CDROM kit from HB in Florida, but that was before it was on their lists here. (by CDROM kit i meant the full kit with books and CDROM.) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Jun 16 15:16:25 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78750>; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:02:03 -0400 Received: from sarenet.es ([192.148.167.16]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78748>; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:59:03 -0400 Received: from arnor.sarenet.es by sarenet.es (8.7.5/ADD-HUB) id UAA17649; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 20:21:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <31C45210.2781E494@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:27:28 -0400 From: Borja Marcos X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans Subject: Re: Problem ordering the distribution References: <9606140952.AA06131@opensol.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Steve Simon wrote: > > RE: Very expensive Plan9 distribution > > I have been quoted 257 UK pounds from Harcourt Brace in London > including Tax, however it is available to special order > only and requires 6 to 8 weeks for delivery (sigh). > > I would be interested if anyone knows of a UK distributer who > has it available ex-stock. Why don't you just buy it directly from USA? I bought it from Spain with my credit card and had no problems. Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjam@well.com 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * CompuServe: 100015,3502 SPAIN * *********************************************************************** >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jun 17 07:50:44 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78771>; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:39:51 -0400 Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk ([158.152.225.204]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78770>; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:39:35 -0400 From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk To: 9fans Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 05:27:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Problem ordering the distribution Message-Id: <96Jun17.073935edt.78770@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Why don't you just buy it directly from USA? I bought it > from Spain with my credit card and had no problems. Last August I managed to order Plan 9 from the USA (I live in England) by phoning the 800 number, but it wasn't easy. I was quoted a price of $350 plus $29.40 for `expedited' shipping via Federal Express, and mailed an order and cheque to Florida. When I phoned a month later to ask what had happened to the order, Harcourt Brace claimed to have no record of it -- although my cheque had been cashed. Eventually, after forwarding a photocopy of the cancelled cheque from my bank, I did receive the CDROM and manuals, along with an invoice showing a price of $378.50 including shipping. I also had a separate bill from Federal Express for duty and UK Value Added Tax, which I paid. I then started receiving letters from the UK office of Harcourt Brace, saying "unfortunately we wish to advise you that the cost of this product amounts to 301.98 pounds (Inc vat) ($468.08)", and asking for further payment so they could fill my order. They also offered to refund my original payment "if you do not wish to acquire this title", which I admit was tempting. However, I wrote to explain that I had received and was happily using the software, and that since I had paid $379.40 towards an invoice for $378.50, it was actually Harcourt Brace who owed me money ... That was the last I heard from them. -- Richard Miller >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jun 17 11:52:18 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78784>; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:38:20 -0400 Received: from mail.rent-a-guru.de ([194.120.69.70]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78773>; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:37:41 -0400 Received: from uucp.rent-a-guru.de by mail.rent-a-guru.de via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu> id RAA02085; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:23:06 +0200 Received: from mwtech by uucp.rent-a-guru.de with UUCP (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA14296; Mon, 17 Jun 96 17:10:44 +0200 Received: by mwtech.rent-a-guru.de (5.65+/MIKROS-5.0) id AA03465; Mon, 17 Jun 96 15:01:03 GMT From: Martin Weitzel Message-Id: <9606171501.AA03465@mwtech.rent-a-guru.de> Subject: Re: Problem ordering the distribution To: 9fans Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:01:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <96Jun17.073935edt.78770@colossus.cse.psu.edu> from "miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk" at Jun 17, 96 05:27:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 635 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > > Why don't you just buy it directly from USA? I bought it > > from Spain with my credit card and had no problems. > > Last August I managed to order Plan 9 from the USA (I live in England) [...] Ordering directly from HCB in the USA from Germany last August was no problem. They accepted my credit card number, the parcel arrived a few days later for the price they quoted (in US-$ + local German VAT, which is charged through UPS or whoever does the final delivery.) BTW: Though 800-number cannot be called directly from Germany, it works if you use an US calling card (I'm not sure whether I used AT&T or Sprint). --Martin >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jun 17 17:44:50 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78859>; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:30:42 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78860>; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:29:33 -0400 Received: (from taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) id OAA03294; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:29:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199606172129.OAA03294@skat.usc.edu> From: Ta-Wei Li To: 9fans Subject: How to set up a floppy only CPU server? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, I just got another PC and I'd like to set it up as a CPU server. Currently, I have the following configuration. File server: a PC running NeXTSTEP providing Plan 9 file system with u9fs and authentication server with auth.srv Terminal: a NeXT Cube Now, the other PC has only one floppy drive and no harddrive. I want to configure it to net boot from the file server to become a CPU server. I try using b.com and 9pccpu. However, 9pccpu only recognize il. I tried to recompile 9pccpu by seting CONF=pccpu in the mkfile. It doesn't work. I tried using 9pc which has tcp option for file server but it doesn't recognize the ether card (a 3Com 509/EISA, I think). Is there anything I should try before I get a drive just to boot the CPU server? Thanks. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jun 17 18:15:59 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78861>; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:07:58 -0400 Received: from skat.usc.edu ([128.125.253.131]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78869>; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:06:18 -0400 Received: (from taweil@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) id PAA07281; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:04:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199606172204.PAA07281@skat.usc.edu> From: Ta-Wei Li To: 9fans Subject: size of b.com... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I just recompile b.com and the size of the compiled file is 65316 bytes. DOS is complaining about insufficient memory. Since it's a DOS format file, I can't strip it from Plan 9. Is there a way to reduce the size? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 28 15:50:32 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78403>; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:33:18 -0400 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu ([141.209.20.201]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78402>; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:33:02 -0400 Received: from cps203.cps.cmich.edu by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26899; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:32:38 -0400 From: rattan@cps201.cps.cmich.edu (Ishwar Rattan) Received: (rattan@localhost) by cps203.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA04578 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:32:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:32:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199606281932.PAA04578@cps203.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans Subject: terminal and telnet Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have plan9 running on a standalone PC/AT. I have two questions:: 1. After telnet into UNIX box (SunOS) how does one define the terminal type to do any work on the Sun? 2. What is the printer status? I have a laser printer connected to parallel port, can it be used? Thanks From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jun 28 16:42:29 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78412>; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:32:18 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78408>; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:31:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12694>; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:31:41 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: terminal and telnet In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:32:15 EDT." <199606281932.PAA04578@cps203.cps.cmich.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:31:35 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jun28.163141edt.12694@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans rattan@cps201.cps.cmich.edu (Ishwar Rattan) writes: | 1. After telnet into UNIX box (SunOS) how does one define the | terminal type to do any work on the Sun? >From a normal 9term, "dumb" is about right. If you start a /bin/hp window on plan 9, that corresponds to "2621" in termcap. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jun 29 07:58:53 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78431>; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 07:51:27 -0400 Received: from gco.apana.org.au ([202.12.88.138]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78430>; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 07:51:10 -0400 Received: from atropos (dialup-1.gco.apana.org.au [202.12.88.145]) by gco.apana.org.au (8.7.3/8.6.9(gco)) with SMTP id VAA21271 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:52:25 +1000 From: rajt@gco.apana.org.au (Raj Thomas) To: 9fans Subject: Re: How to set up a floppy only CPU server? 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