>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 1 09:25:36 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78610>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:10:30 -0400 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([204.178.16.2]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78621>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:50:38 -0400 From: "jim mckie" Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:37:11 -0400 To: 9fans, airwick@csh.rit.EDU Subject: Re: Plan9 on Stealth 64 Video VRAM cards Message-Id: <96Jul1.085038edt.78621@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans There's a new boddle on plan9.bell-labs.com which should address this. >From CHANGES.txt 30-Jun-96 cmd/aux/vga/836191810.rc ================================== All previous changes in cmd/aux/vga plus: from 05-April-96: 1) vga.h data.c mach64ct.c (new) Basic support for MACH64CT chip found on the ATI Graphics Xpression. Requires linear mode and only 640x480x1 and 8-bit colour modes are supported. 2) s3generic.c Change the conditions for enhanced mode, should be any 8-bit mode. from 27-Mar-96 1) mach64.c Typo in call to alloc; type of ati18818 should be static. 2) vision964.c Support Diamond Stealth64 VRAM. From ngr@symbionics.co.uk. from 27-Feb-96 1) s3clock.c Load the ICD2061A to make sure it's done. 2) vision864.c Initialise some more Vision864-specific registers. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 1 15:14:03 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78616>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:05:40 -0400 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78617>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:05:18 -0400 Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.4) with ESMTP id PAA20350 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:03:45 -0400 Received: from lyngvi.cs.cornell.edu (LYNGVI.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.211.2]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.8) with ESMTP id PAA17834 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:03:42 -0400 From: Min Huang Received: (mhuang@localhost) by lyngvi.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id PAA27608 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:03:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:03:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199607011903.PAA27608@lyngvi.cs.cornell.edu> To: 9fans Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans unsubscribe >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 1 16:46:11 1996 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <78629>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:32:36 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <78627>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:32:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12689>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:32:02 -0400 To: 9fans In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 01 Jul 1996 15:03:35 EDT." <199607011903.PAA27608@lyngvi.cs.cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:31:38 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul1.163202edt.12689@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans 10 print "9fans-request@cse.psu.edu" 20 goto 10 >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 4 01:45:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA17648 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:42:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17640 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12690>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:41:23 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: list problems Message-Id: <96Jul4.014123edt.12690@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:41:14 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Due to an upgrade (sic) to solaris we've been having problems with 9fans and other lists. My postmaster says it should be fixed now, and to please resend any messages sent since Monday, since they've probably been lost in the shuffle. Sorry for the inconvenience! -- Scott >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 4 08:19:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA19012 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:17:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19008 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:16:57 -0400 (EDT) From: td@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607041216.IAA19008@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:16:29 -0400 Subject: mothra boddles on plan9.bell-labs.com Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've left a bunch of boddles (and a couple of tar files, since Binaries Break Boddles) at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update Together, these changes build a new release of mothra. If you found it unusable before, install these and give it another try. Possibly you don't need fb/jpg2pic/836404914.rc, which is gigantic. Don't get it unless you have trouble displaying jpg pictures. (Sometime I grabbed a new release of this public-domain program, and every line appears to have changed.) I haven't actually tried to build mothra from an updated distribution, so possibly I have left something out. For example, the argument list of dial(.,.,.,.) has changed since the distribution, but I don't know if an update has been sent out. If not, remove the last argument. Here's the file names, relative to ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update libpanel/836403535.rc libpanel/836403004.rc libfb/836402968.rc libfb/836403518.rc libfb/cmap.tar fb/836422821.rc fb/jpg2pic/836404914.rc cmd/mothra/libmothra.tar cmd/mothra/836403055.rc >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 4 08:20:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA19055 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:19:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19051 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: td@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607041219.IAA19051@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:18:46 -0400 Subject: mothra boddles on plan9.bell-labs.com Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've left a bunch of boddles (and a couple of tar files, since Binaries Break Boddles) at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update Together, these changes build a new release of mothra. If you found it unusable before, install these and give it another try. Possibly you don't need fb/jpg2pic/836404914.rc, which is gigantic. Don't get it unless you have trouble displaying jpg pictures. (Sometime I grabbed a new release of this public-domain program, and every line appears to have changed.) I haven't actually tried to build mothra from an updated distribution, so possibly I have left something out. For example, the argument list of dial(.,.,.,.) has changed since the distribution, but I don't know if an update has been sent out. If not, remove the last argument. Here's the file names, relative to ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update libpanel/836403535.rc libpanel/836403004.rc libfb/836402968.rc libfb/836403518.rc libfb/cmap.tar fb/836422821.rc fb/jpg2pic/836404914.rc cmd/mothra/libmothra.tar cmd/mothra/836403055.rc >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 4 16:01:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21774 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:00:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21769 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12690>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:59:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: mothra boddles on plan9.bell-labs.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Jul 1996 08:16:29 EDT." <199607041216.IAA19008@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:59:42 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul4.155945edt.12690@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans td@plan9.bell-labs.com writes: | I haven't actually tried to build mothra from an updated distribution, | so possibly I have left something out. I just tried. Two things are misssing. First, the mkfile in /sys/src/fb wants a subdirectory dpic. Without that, the mk fails, even with the -k flag. Second, a number of things use the stdargs interface, which the second edition doesn't support. That said, after hacking around those two things, the new mothra looks pretty good. | For example, the argument list of dial(.,.,.,.) has changed | since the distribution, but I don't know if an update has been | sent out. If not, remove the last argument. That was fixed in a previous update. >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 4 17:02:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22278 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:02:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from colossus.cse.psu.edu (root@colossus.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22274 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (cps201.cps.cmich.edu.20.209.141.in-addr.arpa [141.209.20.201]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA14062 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cps203.cps.cmich.edu by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA18827; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:54:59 -0400 From: rattan@cps201.cps.cmich.edu (Ishwar Rattan) Received: (rattan@localhost) by cps203.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01698 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:54:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:54:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199607031454.KAA01698@cps203.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: man and printing files.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello I have a standalone PC/AT (8Mb RAM, 640x480x1 vga) running Plan9. I can't make `man' command work properly (the result is shown below). term% man 8c troff: cannot do .ev 49; line 5, file stdin stack: }F }E TH stdin 1 0 I tried to use the printer (postscript Apple LaserWriter 360) connected to the parallel port (0x378). term% bind -a '#L2' /dev term% cat one.c > /dev/lpt2data term% sends the file to printer but there is a problem with correct translation of CRLFs. I can't find a command like `lp' to send files to this printer. Also is there a way to set up the printer daemon on a stand alone so that files can be printed using `lp' command. term% lp -d'?' srv: dial net!bootes!9fs: net!bootes!9fs: cs: can't translate address mount: can't open /srv/bootes: file doesn't exist could not set properly setup LSPOOL I checked /srv/bootes does not exist. Can somebody shed light on these things? Thanks. Ishwar Rattan >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 4 17:26:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22667 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:26:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22663 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darc (day-p018.infinet.com [206.103.243.18]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12794 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960704202421.00697d84@infinet.com> X-Sender: lutherh@infinet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 21:24:21 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Luther Huffman Subject: Re: mothra boddles on plan9.bell-labs.com Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans At 03:59 PM 7/4/96 -0400, you wrote: >I just tried. Two things are misssing. First, the mkfile in >/sys/src/fb wants a subdirectory dpic. Without that, the mk fails, >even with the -k flag. Second, a number of things use the stdargs >interface, which the second edition doesn't support. Actually, it does support stdarg; it's hidden in /$objtype/include. I'm always forgetting to look for things there myself. I think the problem is isn't included in mothra.h (assuming that's where Tom wants it.) > >That said, after hacking around those two things, the new mothra looks >pretty good. Sure does. It apparently will finally give us ftp:// support. Just in time, because I'm writing the Plan 9 Perl web page even as I'm typing this. I've emailed Tom asking him to come up with a "Mothra Enhanced" logo so my page would be the first one to bear it. :-) > >| For example, the argument list of dial(.,.,.,.) has changed >| since the distribution, but I don't know if an update has been >| sent out. If not, remove the last argument. > >That was fixed in a previous update. Oops, I missed that. And after I finished trimming args off csgetval(). Oh, well. Such is life. --- Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com Strategic Computer Solutions, Inc. http://www.stratcom.com/ >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 4 23:45:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24320 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:45:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA24316 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: td@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607050345.XAA24316@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:37:57 -0400 Subject: Re: mothra boddles on plan9.bell-labs.com Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >I just tried. Two things are misssing. First, the mkfile in >/sys/src/fb wants a subdirectory dpic. Without that, the mk fails, >even with the -k flag. Second, a number of things use the stdargs >interface, which the second edition doesn't support. Sorry about dpic, that's a troff postprocessor that generates anti-aliased images that, unfortunately, was never cleaned up for distribution (it used proprietary fonts, and it failed to track the change from ascii to unicode.) Was there never an update sent out to deal with stdarg? We copied the various /$objtype/include/stdarg.h files into /$objtype/include/u.h earlier this year when the interface to print et al was fixed to use stdarg rather than ad-hoccing its way through the argument list. Obviously, just adding #include in the appropriate files will fix this if you don't want to mangle /$objtype/include/u.h Thanks for trying the distr. out! >I've >emailed Tom asking him to come up with a "Mothra Enhanced" logo so my page >would be the first one to bear it. :-) I'm leaving Bell Labs next Friday (July 12) to move to California (working for Pixar), so my time is a little tight this week, but if I find a couple of hours and an appropriate monster-movie image to appropriate I'll see what I can do. >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 5 00:42:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24677 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:42:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24673 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:42:36 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607050442.AAA24673@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:41:12 -0400 Subject: Re: summer movies Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Tom Cruise uses Mac's in mission impossible - seems to work out ok. Aliens in ID4 use tcp/ip & Java ... >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 5 09:48:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27189 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:48:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borg.mindspring.com (borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27185 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infographix.com (mail.infographix.com [205.245.85.25]) by borg.mindspring.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA29427 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:48:02 -0400 Received: by infographix.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17756; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:45:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:45:10 -0400 From: arnold@infographix.com (Arnold D. Robbins) Message-Id: <9607051345.AA17756@infographix.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: list problems In-Reply-To: <96Jul4.014123edt.12690@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Due to an upgrade (sic) to solaris ... There's always NetBSD/OpenBSD, or Linux/Sparc... :-) Arnold >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 5 13:27:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA29134 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:27:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29128 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:26:56 -0400 (EDT) From: td@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607051726.NAA29128@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:17:15 -0400 Subject: mothra compatible Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I made a pair of gifs advertising `Enhanced for mothra' and `100% mothra-compatible'. I left them in ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/mothraenhanced.gif and ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/mothracompat.gif If you stick them in an html page, it's probably appropriate to make a link through to the plan 9 home page: >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 5 14:24:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29771 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:24:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29767 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12693>; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:23:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: mothra boddles on plan9.bell-labs.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Jul 1996 15:59:42 EDT." <96Jul4.155945edt.12690@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:23:40 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul5.142345edt.12693@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I wrote: | | For example, the argument list of dial(.,.,.,.) has changed | | since the distribution, but I don't know if an update has been | | sent out. If not, remove the last argument. | | That was fixed in a previous update. It looks like I was wrong about that. I was thinking of csgetval. >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 5 16:25:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00863 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:25:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: (from ehrlich@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00860; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:25:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel R Ehrlich Message-Id: <199607052025.QAA00860@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans Cc: ehrlich, schwartz Subject: Mailing list gyrations Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans As postmaster here at cse.psu.edu I would like to apologize to the subscribers of 9fans for the problems over the last few days with the mailing list. The departmental mail server was moved to a machine running Solaris 2.5 and a new version of majordomo at the same time. Hopefully things have stabilized and the problems of the last few days have been resolved. -- Dan Ehrlich >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 5 23:41:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA03088 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:41:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03084 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12693>; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:40:51 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: mothra boddles on plan9.bell-labs.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Jul 1996 15:59:42 EDT." <96Jul4.155945edt.12690@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:40:39 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul5.234051edt.12693@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I wrote: | | For example, the argument list of dial(.,.,.,.) has changed | | since the distribution, but I don't know if an update has been | | sent out. If not, remove the last argument. | | That was fixed in a previous update. Oops. I think I was thinking of csgetval there. Dial is unchanged in the updates. >From owner-9fans Sat Jul 6 20:18:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA07088 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:18:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gco.apana.org.au (root@gco.apana.org.au [202.12.88.138]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07084 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atropos (dialup-4.gco.apana.org.au [202.12.88.148]) by gco.apana.org.au (8.7.3/8.6.9(gco)) with SMTP id KAA25520 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:19:33 +1000 From: rajt@gco.apana.org.au (Raj Thomas) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 23:23:04 GMT Message-Id: <31def548.2082457@gco.apana.org.au> References: <199607052025.QAA00860@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <199607052025.QAA00860@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------- Octopus traps summer's moonspun dreams soon fade away. Basho 1644 >From owner-9fans Sun Jul 7 10:21:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09851 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:21:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from chelm.cs.nmt.edu (chelm.cs.nmt.edu [129.138.6.50]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09847 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from yodaiken@localhost) by chelm.cs.nmt.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id IAA03137 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 08:19:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199607071419.IAA03137@chelm.cs.nmt.edu> From: yodaiken@sphinx.cs.nmt.edu (Victor Yodaiken) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 08:19:33 -0600 In-Reply-To: Daniel R Ehrlich "Mailing list gyrations" (Jul 5, 4:25pm) reply_to: yodaiken@chelm.nmt.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Mailing list gyrations Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Can you pleae cancel my subscription to this list. I've been persistently resubscribed for some reason. >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 11 15:36:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA22687 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:36:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ns.NL.net (ns.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22683 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from westhawk by ns.NL.net via EUnet id AA16643 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:31:28 +0200 Received: from newhawk ([192.67.4.2]) by westhawk.uucp (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00866; Thu, 11 Jul 96 21:26:05 +0200 Message-Id: <31E5452E.5C4B@sun4nl.nl.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:17:19 +0200 From: Tim Panton Organization: Westhawk Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: tim@west.nl Subject: 9P as a network filesystem protocol References: <199607071419.IAA03137@chelm.cs.nmt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I was wondering about using 9P as a protocol for a project that is un-related to Plan9 itself. It just seems sensible to use an existing network filesystem protocol rather than trying to make a new one. I want to export Mailboxes (and other things) to remote Java applets. Would anyone care to express an opinion on the status of the 9P protocol - is it copyright for example ? Would I have a problem if I: 1) implemented a 9P client in (say) Java, based on the public documenation in the book and on the 9P manual page. 2) used u9fs to test it. 3) implemented a simple 9P server in Java 4) Used 1) and 3) in a commercial project. I guess what I'm asking is: is 9P an 'open' specification ? Thanks for your attention. - By the way, if anyone has any hints about what to avoid when implementing 9P I'd love to hear them. Thanks. Tim. >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 11 18:26:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24554 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from muddcs.cs.hmc.edu (muddcs.cs.hmc.edu [134.173.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24550 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jack@localhost) by muddcs.cs.hmc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.10) id PAA05468 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:25:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Culpepper Message-Id: <199607112225.PAA05468@muddcs.cs.hmc.edu> Subject: Installation problems... To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:25:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Anybody out there? Well, it looks as though this list is dead, but I guess I might as well try anyway. Using a SparcStation IPC as my fileserver (the PC file server would not boot no matter what config I used), and a SparcStation 1 as my authentication server (neither would the PC auth server, but I think it was because I used a different authid the first time around, and the old one is written on the PC's auth partition), I get to the point at which the installation "guide" tells me to do a auth/changeuser [authid] on the authentication server. Fine. I do it. This is what happens: % auth/changeuser oslab Password: Confirm password: Expiration date (YYYYMMDD or never) [return = never]: never changeuser: can't set key: file does not exist How do I fix this? Is Bell Labs still supporting this OS? To say the least, it's mighty frustrating to not even be able to get a semi-working system up. Jack >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 11 18:43:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24703 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:43:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (server-f.iadfw.net [206.66.12.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24699 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.73) id ; Thu, 11 Jul 96 17:42:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 17:42:24 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rcade@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Rogers Cadenhead Subject: Re: Installation problems... Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >How do I fix this? Is Bell Labs still supporting this OS? To say the least, >it's mighty frustrating to not even be able to get a semi-working system up. Can't help you there, but it brings up a question I wanted to ask ... I tried to find a beta release of Plan9 to try this weekend, and found only copies that had to be purchased for $350 or thereabouts. I had read that the OS was still available to try out -- has this changed recently? Rogers Cadenhead >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 11 19:21:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25048 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from muddcs.cs.hmc.edu (muddcs.cs.hmc.edu [134.173.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25044 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jack@localhost) by muddcs.cs.hmc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.10) id QAA24347; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Culpepper Message-Id: <199607112320.QAA24347@muddcs.cs.hmc.edu> Subject: Re: Installation problems... To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: from "Rogers Cadenhead" at Jul 11, 96 05:42:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > >How do I fix this? Is Bell Labs still supporting this OS? To say the least, > >it's mighty frustrating to not even be able to get a semi-working system up. > > Can't help you there, but it brings up a question I wanted to ask ... > > I tried to find a beta release of Plan9 to try this weekend, and found only > copies that had to be purchased for $350 or thereabouts. I had read that the > OS was still available to try out -- has this changed recently? > > Rogers Cadenhead > The OS is available to try out -- sort of. The "try out" version is a stand- alone PC kernel and minimal system that is available via http://plan9.att.com/plan9 It comes on four floppies that you can download, but if you want a networked system, you have to buy the books and CDROM. Jack BTW, do you (or anyone else listening) have any pointers to other info on the web (besides the links on the att server)? >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 00:08:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26836 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:08:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu (root@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu [128.100.8.5]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26832 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <352>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:07:37 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Installation problems... Message-Id: <96Jul12.000737edt.352@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:07:31 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Jack Culpepper wrote: > Well, it looks as though this list is dead, not at all > I get to the point at which the installation "guide" tells me to do a > > auth/changeuser [authid] > > on the authentication server. Fine. I do it. This is what happens: Note that there were some corrections to the install document made after the books were published. Make sure you are reading the up-to-date version at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/install.html > % auth/changeuser oslab > Password: > Confirm password: > Expiration date (YYYYMMDD or never) [return = never]: never > changeuser: can't set key: file does not exist I'd guess that your probably aren't running keyfs, or you didn't run wrkey. My installation notes are at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/info/steve/plan9.install-guide Here's the section on setting up authentication: Boot your cpu server, then (on its console): % auth/wrkey to set passwd, authid, authdom % auth/keyfs serves /mnt/keys, from /adm/keys & #r/nvram % auth/changeuser bootes to add bootes (authid) % auth/changeuser upas so that upas' crontab will work % auth/changeuser steve set passwd for steve, then do the same thing for every other user you added to /adm/users I've never tried using anything except 'bootes' as my authid. > How do I fix this? Read the manuals, web pages and source code to try to figure it out, and post here if you are stumped. > Is Bell Labs still supporting this OS? >From the preface to volume 1 of the Plan 9 manuals: "Plan 9 is made available as is, without formal support" >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 00:16:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26944 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:16:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu (root@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu [128.100.8.5]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26939 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <2345>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:15:14 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Installation problems... Message-Id: <96Jul12.001514edt.2345@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:15:12 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Jack Culpepper wrote: > BTW, do you (or anyone else listening) have any pointers to other info on the > web (besides the links on the att server)? I've been maintaining a plan9 website for 2 years now, at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/ There are other websites (York, Basser, & Micro's) you can get to from there. You may find others via Yahoo or AltaVista. The hypertext faq is at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html A plaintext version is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 00:45:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA27142 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:45:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27138 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:44:30 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Installation problems... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:25:59 EDT." <199607112225.PAA05468@muddcs.cs.hmc.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:44:15 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul12.004430edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Jack Culpepper writes: | Well, it looks as though this list is dead, but I guess I might as well try | anyway. Not dead, just resting. | % auth/changeuser oslab | Password: | Confirm password: | Expiration date (YYYYMMDD or never) [return = never]: never | changeuser: can't set key: file does not exist I wish the %r flag was put to better use, by telling you which file it is that doesn't exist. Anyway, just at a guess, keyfs may not be running. That can happen if you don't use the name p9auth for the auth server and don't edit /bin/cpurc to match. >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 00:53:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA27217 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:53:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27213 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:52:01 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Installation problems... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:07:31 EDT." <96Jul12.000737edt.352@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:51:47 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul12.005201edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Steve Kotsopoulos writes: | I've never tried using anything except 'bootes' as my authid. I did. It works. >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 01:34:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA27523 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:34:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27519 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darc (day-p027.infinet.com [206.103.243.27]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA04837 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960712043207.006a8fa8@infinet.com> X-Sender: lutherh@infinet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 05:32:07 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Luther Huffman Subject: Slave buffer problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello, all. I'm running Plan 9 as term on a Pentium machine. A few days ago, I began to have some of my applications crash mysteriously, freezing the windows on the system. A message is displayed: "8 1/2: slave buffer: no free mount rpc buffer". I've also begun to notice that upon rebooting after a crash, during the system's automatic post-crash disk/kfscmd check, many files (mostly in /sys/lib) are listed as having "bad qid"s. Without exception, these are all files and directories I've added or patched in the past few months. I suspect these two problems are related, as it appears to me that all of the programs which crash are doing file and directory stats on these suspect files. I've tried, to no avail, running the bad block repair options to disk/kfscmd check. That doesn't appear to fix the problem Can someone out there read the entrails of my system and tell me what's wrong, how to fix it, and how to keep it from happening again? --- Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com Strategic Computer Solutions, Inc. http://www.stratcom.com/ >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 04:18:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA28295 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 04:18:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from route1.france3.fr (route1.france3.fr [194.51.91.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA28291 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 04:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id KAA29379; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:17:32 GMT Received: by PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28387; Fri, 12 Jul 96 10:17:59 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:09:32 GMT To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Installation problems... In-Reply-To: <96Jul12.004430edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Message-Id: <199607121009.25689.9.badiz@france3.fr> X-Lat/Lon: 48 51 07 N 2 16 23 E La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: Scott Schwartz Not dead, just resting. not dead! if you hadn't nailed it to /mail/lib/rewrite it'd be replying 'unknown user' by now. >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 12:34:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02370 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:34:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02366 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:33:44 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Slave buffer problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:32:07 EDT." <2.2.32.19960712043207.006a8fa8@infinet.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:33:31 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul12.123344edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Luther Huffman writes: | I'm running Plan 9 as term on a Pentium machine. A few days ago, I | began to have some of my applications crash mysteriously, freezing the | windows on the system. A message is displayed: "8 1/2: slave buffer: no free | mount rpc buffer". I've started seeing that too, after applying the latest boddle plus the devvga.c:/gscreen.ldepth patch that someone posted to the list (Is it a correct fix?). ^t^tx reports that there are very few bytes free, like 22K (16M machine with kernerlpercent=40, vgasize=1280x1024x8). If it gets really low, things start to hang, with processes Queueing or Scheding in Malloc or New. >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 12:38:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02475 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:38:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02468 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:37:54 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: libfb changes Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:37:45 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul12.123754edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Speaking of the latest update, I noticed that if I do fb/9v /lib/image/mandrill.3c the colors come up wrong. Then, fb/getmap 9 in another window snaps them back into place. Anyone else seen anything like this? >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 12:43:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02653 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:43:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02638 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from reynaldo.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.96]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15005(1)>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:41:38 PDT Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by reynaldo.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <34952>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:41:20 PDT X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu cc: kerch@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: Installation problems... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:44:15 PDT." <96Jul12.004430edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:41:19 PDT From: Berry Kercheval Message-Id: <96Jul12.094120pdt."34952"@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>>Scott Schwartz said: > Jack Culpepper writes: > | Well, it looks as though this list is dead, > Not dead, just resting. Pining for the fnords... --berry Berry Kercheval :: kerch@parc.xerox.com :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 14:10:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04001 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:10:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03997 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darc (day-p037.infinet.com [206.103.243.39]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23936 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960712170818.006a32a8@infinet.com> X-Sender: lutherh@infinet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:08:18 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Luther Huffman Subject: Re: Slave buffer problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I don't believe I used the gscreen patch. It could, however, be one of the other boddles. For the record, your system is nearly identical to mine -- 16M, vgasize 1280x1024x8. At 12:33 PM 7/12/96 -0400, our favorite Scott wrote: >Luther Huffman writes: >| I'm running Plan 9 as term on a Pentium machine. A few days ago, I >| began to have some of my applications crash mysteriously, freezing the >| windows on the system. A message is displayed: "8 1/2: slave buffer: no free >| mount rpc buffer". > >I've started seeing that too, after applying the latest boddle plus the >devvga.c:/gscreen.ldepth patch that someone posted to the list (Is it a >correct fix?). ^t^tx reports that there are very few bytes free, like >22K (16M machine with kernerlpercent=40, vgasize=1280x1024x8). If it >gets really low, things start to hang, with processes Queueing or >Scheding in Malloc or New. > > --- Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com Strategic Computer Solutions, Inc. http://www.stratcom.com/ >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 12 20:02:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA07510 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:02:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from muddcs.cs.hmc.edu (muddcs.cs.hmc.edu [134.173.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07506 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jack@localhost) by muddcs.cs.hmc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.10) id RAA24741 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Culpepper Message-Id: <199607130001.RAA24741@muddcs.cs.hmc.edu> Subject: Re: Installation problems... To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:01:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96Jul12.000737edt.352@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> from "Steve Kotsopoulos" at Jul 12, 96 00:07:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Jack Culpepper wrote: > > Well, it looks as though this list is dead, > > not at all > Fabulous. > > Is Bell Labs still supporting this OS? > > >From the preface to volume 1 of the Plan 9 manuals: > > "Plan 9 is made available as is, without formal support" > I have read both books. I guess I was more interested in knowing if anyone at Bell Labs was still running it, and if people like you guys were around to trade gripes with. You are; that's great. Thanks. Jack >From owner-9fans Sat Jul 13 00:12:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08777 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:12:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08773 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:11:58 -0400 (EDT) From: dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607130411.AAA08773@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:59:33 -0400 Subject: re: 9P as a network filesystem protocol Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ... I guess what I'm asking is: is 9P an 'open' specification ? Yes, it is. You're quite free to reimplement and use the protocol in any setting. Dennis Ritchie >From owner-9fans Sat Jul 13 00:37:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08934 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:37:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08930 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:37:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607130437.AAA08930@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:11:33 -0400 Subject: re: 9P as a network filesystem protocol Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It's worth retrieving the Postscript version if you're interested, since some of the formatting gets lost in the HTML rendition. To use FTP, connect to inferno.bell-labs.com; inferno/limbo.ps is the manual. Dennis >From owner-9fans Sat Jul 13 03:41:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA09872 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:41:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA09868 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:40:56 -0400 (EDT) From: dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607130740.DAA09868@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:41:03 -0400 Subject: Limbo manual available Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Previous msg was evidently chopped twixt here and there, most likely here; sorry] For language comparison fans, the reference manual for the Limbo programming language, and a tutorial that shows off various facilities of the Inferno operating system, are available underneath http://inferno.bell-labs.com/inferno/index.html It's worth retrieving the Postscript version if you're interested, since some of the formatting gets lost in the HTML rendition. To use FTP, connect to inferno.bell-labs.com; inferno/limbo.ps is the manual. Dennis Ritchie ---- ... So my master said, "Do you, O Malacoda, think I could get Through all your defenses safely as this Except by Heaven's will and happy fate? Now let us pass--for Heaven also decrees That I should show another this savage road." The demon's pride fell so much he let loose His hook.... Inferno of Dante, Canto XXI >From owner-9fans Sun Jul 14 20:11:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA19245 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:11:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19241 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darc (day-p003.infinet.com [206.103.243.3]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA09304 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960714230919.0069afd8@infinet.com> X-Sender: lutherh@infinet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:09:19 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Luther Huffman Subject: Re: Slave buffer problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have a little information on the problems I've been having of applications mysteriously freezing up my system console and displaying the message "8 1/2: slave buffer: no free mount rpc buffer". There really does appear to be a link between this problem and the error messages which a file system check produces. Here's sample output from disk/kfs: term% disk/kfs -f /dev/hd1fs check: "/386/bin/aux/mapd": qid out of range 113bb check: "/386/bin/fb/twb": qid out of range 115b8 check: "/386/bin/fb/bit2enc": qid out of range 115c7 check: "/386/bin/fb/enc2bit": qid out of range 115e4 check: "/386/bin/fb/ikon": qid out of range 115fb check: "/386/bin/fb/mugs": qid out of range 11614 check: "/386/bin/fb/paint": qid out of range 1161b check: "/386/bin/fb/scale": qid out of range 1163a check: "/386/lib/perl/": qid out of range 12f8e check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/": qid out of range 12f8f check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/": qid out of range 12f91 check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/arpa/": qid out of range 12f92 check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/arpa/inet.h": qid out of range 12fae check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/EXTERN.h": qid out of range 12f93 check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/INTERN.h": qid out of range 12f94 check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/XSUB.h": qid out of range 12f95 check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/av.h": qid out of range 12f96 check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/cop.h": qid out of range 12f97 check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/cv.h": qid out of range 12f98 6051 bad qids term% I've noticed, as an example, if a perl script of mine loads a module from /386/lib/perl I get the failure. If the perl script loads a module from /sys/lib/perl everything proceeds normally. Similar things appear to occur for other programs doing some kind of access in these directories as well. The normal file and directory commands (ls, cat, etc.) seem to work just fine with these directories. Does this give rise to any new ideas, anyone? --- Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com Strategic Computer Solutions, Inc. http://www.stratcom.com/ >From owner-9fans Sun Jul 14 20:40:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA19396 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:40:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19392 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:40:14 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607150040.UAA19392@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:37:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Slave buffer problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans qid out of range seems to happen because an array (qbits in disk/kfs/chk.c) is too small - it does not necessarily mean the file system is bad. Try changing line 91 of chk.c to sizqbits = ((1<<18) + 7) / 8; /* botch */ phil. >From owner-9fans Sun Jul 14 20:45:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA19479 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:45:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19474 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Slave buffer problem From: David Hogan Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:04:19 +1000 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960714230919.0069afd8@infinet.com> Message-ID: <199607151004.241991.out.babit@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Luther Huffman writes: > [...] > check: "/386/lib/perl/5.00301/CORE/": qid out of range 12f91 > [...] > I've noticed, as an example, if a perl script of mine loads a module from > /386/lib/perl I get the failure. If the perl script loads a module from > /sys/lib/perl everything proceeds normally. Similar things appear to occur > for other programs doing some kind of access in these directories as well. > The normal file and directory commands (ls, cat, etc.) seem to work just > fine with these directories. > Does this give rise to any new ideas, anyone? Sounds to me like you're dealing with some sort of fundamental incompatibility/exclusion principle ;-) Reminds me a lot of the phenomenon of organ rejection. Perhaps a marriage guidance counsellor would be able to help... (oops, wrong thread!) >From owner-9fans Sun Jul 14 22:43:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA20120 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:43:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20116 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darc (day-p053.infinet.com [206.103.243.55]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA18872 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960715014101.006aa508@infinet.com> X-Sender: lutherh@infinet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 02:41:01 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Luther Huffman Subject: Re: Slave buffer problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans At 08:37 PM 7/14/96 -0400, you wrote: >is bad. Try changing line 91 of chk.c to > > sizqbits = ((1<<18) + 7) / 8; /* botch */ > Thanks, Phil! That does indeed stop disk/kfs from reporting bad qids. I still get the messages during system startup after an OS failure, but I believe that's caused by the fact fs check is called at that point. I imagine there is a magic variable similar to sizqbits in fs. The whole thing does make me believe that any link between the bad qid message and the slave buffer failure is at best indirect. There may, however, be another system constant that I exceeded the same time as the qid variable. Does anyone know from where the "8 1/2: slave buffer: no free mount rpc buffer" message originates? I've grepped up the usual suspects, but haven't found the message's source yet. And I don't have enough system resources to do a global grep/awk. --- Luther Huffman lutherh@stratcom.com Strategic Computer Solutions, Inc. http://www.stratcom.com/ >From owner-9fans Mon Jul 15 00:12:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA20659 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:12:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.ecf.toronto.edu (steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu [128.100.8.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20655 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:11:59 -0400 (EDT) From: steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu Message-Id: <199607150411.AAA20655@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:10:56 EDT Subject: [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html >From owner-9fans Mon Jul 15 03:21:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA21575 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 03:21:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from route1.france3.fr (route1.france3.fr [194.51.91.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA21567 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 03:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id JAA05869; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:20:11 GMT Received: by PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00732; Mon, 15 Jul 96 09:20:27 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:18:36 GMT To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Slave buffer problem In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960714230919.0069afd8@infinet.com> Message-Id: <199607150918.425.9.badot@france3.fr> X-Lat/Lon: 48 51 07 N 2 16 23 E La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: Luther Huffman I have a little information on the problems I've been having of applications mysteriously freezing up my system console and displaying the message "8 1/2: slave buffer: no free mount rpc buffer". check: "/386/lib/perl/": qid out of range 12f8e there's your problem. kfs has barfed on perl. >From owner-9fans Mon Jul 15 06:53:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA22155 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 06:53:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es (sol.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.42]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA22151 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 06:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27124; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:51:09 +0200 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9607151051.AA27124@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Inferno To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:01:26 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello, I have seen at the Lucent WWW pages that Inferno will be available for download for evaluation purposes. I have seen that there will be a versions for Unix (which?) Solaris, NT, Win95... are you planning to put a Plan 9 version also? Borja Marcos. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjam@well.com 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * CompuServe: 100015,3502 SPAIN * *********************************************************************** (c)1995 by the author. This message cannot be transferred to the Microsoft(tm) Network. >From owner-9fans Mon Jul 15 10:29:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24291 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:29:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24287 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:29:11 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607151429.KAA24287@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:27:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Slave buffer problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans "8 1/2: slave buffer: no free mount rpc buffer" is generated by the mount driver when trying to malloc a new RPC buffer. I suspect you are running out of kernel memory at a bad time. try increasing kernelpercent. phil. >From owner-9fans Mon Jul 15 22:00:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02477 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 22:00:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from security.mysolution.com (ns.mysolution.com [205.216.9.100]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02472 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 22:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (uucp@localhost) by security.mysolution.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA00805 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:05:16 -0400 Received: from solaris1.mysolution.com(205.216.9.114) by security.mysolution.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000803; Mon Jul 15 17:04:59 1996 Received: from solaris1 by solaris1.mysolution.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA03570; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:06:26 -0500 Message-ID: <31EAF922.9C9@solaris1.mysolution.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:06:26 -0500 From: "Tommy K. Hwang" Organization: me@solaris1.mysolution.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 i86pc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno References: <9607151051.AA27124@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Borja Marcos wrote: > > Hello, > > I have seen at the Lucent WWW pages that Inferno will be > available for download for evaluation purposes. I have seen that > there will be a versions for Unix (which?) Solaris, NT, Win95... > are you planning to put a Plan 9 version also? Sorry to be dumb... but what is inferno? I guess I have to fing Lucent Tech. home page... >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 16 02:39:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA04266 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:39:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from carina.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (carina.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.128.25]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA04262 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.161.1]) by carina.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27154 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 08:37:54 +0200 Received: from styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.161.22]) by thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA12546 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 08:37:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bischof@localhost) by styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA04216 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 08:37:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199607160637.IAA04216@styx.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Hans-Peter Bischof Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 08:37:42 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno Reply-To: bischof@informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE References: <9607151051.AA27124@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> <31EAF922.9C9@solaris1.mysolution.com> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Sorry to be dumb... but what is inferno? I guess I have > to fing Lucent Tech. home page... http://inferno.bell-labs.com/inferno/ -hp >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 16 07:50:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA05540 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:50:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from caviar.clam.com (caviar-inet.clam.com [192.124.136.70]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05536 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by caviar.clam.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA113521; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:49:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9607161149.AA113521@caviar.clam.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:49:28 -0400 From: Alex Carr Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > What is Inferno? Vaporware! >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 16 08:53:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06089 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 08:53:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06085 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 08:53:15 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199607161253.IAA06085@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:58:25 BST Subject: Re: Slave buffer problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>I've started seeing that too, after applying the latest boddle plus the >>devvga.c:/gscreen.ldepth patch that someone posted to the list (Is it a >>correct fix?). ^t^tx reports that there are very few bytes free, like >>22K (16M machine with kernerlpercent=40, vgasize=1280x1024x8). If it the gscreen.ldepth change causes the pc implementation to behave more like the other terminals, preallocating 3 $vgasize sized screens worth of bitmap space (if possible) in devbit.c. this reduces the chances of being unable to create a window (or move/reshape/hide an existing one) owing to fragmentation of the kernel heap. kernelpercent might well need to be increased to compensate, esp. with a screen size of 1280x1024. at home, i use kernelpercent=40 with a screen size of 1152x900x8 without much trouble. >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 16 11:47:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09573 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:47:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09567 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:47:30 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607161547.LAA09567@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:46:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Inferno Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >> What is Inferno? > >Vaporware! shipping to corporate customers. >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 16 17:27:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA13378 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:27:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from up8.univ-paris8.fr (up8.univ-paris8.fr [193.54.155.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13374 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.85]) by up8.univ-paris8.fr (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA12627 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:20:52 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:20:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from elk.ai.univ-paris8.fr by tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01574; Tue, 16 Jul 96 23:23:24 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 23:23:24 +0200 Message-Id: <9607162123.AA01574@tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr> Received: by elk.ai.univ-paris8.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00466; Tue, 16 Jul 96 23:19:45 +0200 From: Jean Mehat To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: inferno grammar Reply-To: jm@univ-paris8.fr Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In the inferno grammar as found on ftp://x.y.z/inferno/limbo.ps, - page 49: formal-arg should not be "nil-or-D : self identifier" as the ref on the preceding line is already optional. - page 51: lvalue-expression-list should be a list of lvalue-expression, not of lvalue; (incorrect also on page 24). - also on page 51, what is defined as an expression is actually a monadic-expression (correct on p. 19). Do the && and || operators really have different precedences? jm >From owner-9fans Wed Jul 17 11:40:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20520 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 11:40:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk (root@glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk [144.32.136.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20516 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 11:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from talisker.ohm.york.ac.uk ([144.32.136.89]) by glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk with smtp id m0ugYhN-0004gsC (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.10 #30.21); Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:39:37 +0100 (MET DST) Message-Id: Received: by talisker.ohm.york.ac.uk (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA02171; Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:39:37 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Roger Peppe Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:39:35 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: limbo Reply-To: rog@ohm.york.ac.uk References: <199607161547.LAA09567@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans after browsing the limbo documents, i've got a few questions. i hope nobody objects to these being raised on the 9fans list. is there a security reason why limbo doesn't support any sort of polymorphism at all, even unions ? it seems slightly surprising, as Alef seemed to provide quite a nice form of polymorphism which looked as if it might adapt quite well to a language such as limbo; it could also provide a nice mechanism for dealing with variable argument lists. also, what's the reason for '.' binding tighter than '->' ? m->(Module->Type).function() seems rather contrived; the second reference to the Module type is surely unnecessary because Type has always got to be declared at the top level within m, so m->Type.function() is unambiguous (and seems more intuitive, to me at least) flames to me only, not to the list, please. cheers, rog. >From owner-9fans Wed Jul 17 19:24:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26647 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:24:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from answerman.mindspring.com (answerman.mindspring.com [204.180.128.8]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26643 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vtipres.mindspring.com (user-168-121-120-68.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.120.68]) by answerman.mindspring.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA10371 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:23:33 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960717232900.0068f8f0@pop.atl.mindspring.com> X-Sender: vtipres@pop.atl.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:29:00 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Shon Frazier Subject: Re: limbo Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Roger Peppe wrote: >after browsing the limbo documents, i've got a few questions. >i hope nobody objects to these being raised on the 9fans list. Good question. *Should* Limbo questions be posted here? Shon Frazier >From owner-9fans Wed Jul 17 19:57:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26893 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:57:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26889 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:57:09 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607172357.TAA26889@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:56:22 -0400 Subject: Re: limbo Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I think the volume in the list is small enough that people would prefer to look in one place for related information - ask away. >From owner-9fans Wed Jul 17 23:29:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA28402 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:29:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (server-f.iadfw.net [206.66.12.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA28398 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.73) id ; Wed, 17 Jul 96 22:28:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 22:28:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rcade@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Rogers Cadenhead Subject: Re: limbo Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>after browsing the limbo documents, i've got a few questions. >>i hope nobody objects to these being raised on the 9fans list. >Good question. *Should* Limbo questions be posted here? If I could take a moment to be self-promotional here, there is an Inferno mailing list at majordomo@interstice.com. The full details are at http://cruel.com/vanni. That might be a better place for it. Rogers Cadenhead >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 18 06:39:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA00307 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:39:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk (root@glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk [144.32.136.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00303 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from talisker.ohm.york.ac.uk ([144.32.136.89]) by glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk with smtp id m0ugqTk-0004gKC (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.10 #30.21); Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:38:44 +0100 (MET DST) Message-Id: Received: by talisker.ohm.york.ac.uk (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA00506; Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:38:43 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Roger Peppe Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:38:42 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: limbo Reply-To: rog@ohm.york.ac.uk References: <199607172357.TAA26889@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > I think the volume in the list is small enough > that people would prefer to look in one place > for related information - ask away. i did... would it be possible to implement a qsort replacement in limbo ? >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 18 08:09:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00723 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:09:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA00719 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607181209.IAA00719@cse.psu.edu> From: "Howard Trickey" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:09:39 -0400 Subject: Re: limbo Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > would it be possible to implement a qsort replacement in limbo ? It is possible, but the answer is so ugly that the real answer is "no". (The caller could pass in a channel, and then be willing to answer questions like "is element 5 greater than element 3" over the channel; the answer could be an array of element indices in their sort order. Channels of ascii can be a universal way around type checking.) So, for instance, there is a module for sorting directory entries (in various ways), but no general purpose sorting module. Actually, the thing that bugs me more is the need to write what should be generic list functions (e.g., rev, nth) for each element type. Limbo currently doesn't have polymorphism or (discriminated) union types because of the tradeoff decision about usefulness vs implementation cost (the garbage collector would need more in the presence of the above). But the language isn't embalmed by a standards committee yet... Howard Trickey (Limbo programmer and language design kibitzer) >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 19 16:13:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21211 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:13:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from platinum.com (gateway.platinum.com [206.214.170.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21207 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.platinum.com ([172.17.26.25]) by gateway.platinum.com with ESMTP id <18731-1>; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:11:26 -0500 Received: from absun06.ab.platinum.com by mailhub.platinum.com (8.7.4/) id PAA09588; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:11:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dolphin (dolphin.ab.platinum.com) by absun06.ab.platinum.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA26382; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:12:10 -0400 Message-Id: <31EFEBF9.520B@platinum.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:11:37 -0500 From: Balaji Srinivasa X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4c) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: limbo References: <199607172357.TAA26889@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans philw@plan9.BEll-labs.COM wrote: > > I think the volume in the list is small enough > that people would prefer to look in one place > for related information - ask away. when will we have the Limbo compiler and the inferno envir. for x86 and solaris available (for eval)? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ ;-Balaji Srinivasa - Platinum Technology/Aston-Brooke Lab - balaji@platinum.com >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 19 16:44:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21639 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:44:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21635 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:44:30 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199607192044.QAA21635@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:43:22 -0400 Subject: Re: limbo Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >when will we have the Limbo compiler and the inferno envir. for x86 and >solaris available (for eval)? 8/1 >From owner-9fans Fri Jul 19 22:40:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA23704 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 22:40:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from answerman.mindspring.com (answerman.mindspring.com [204.180.128.8]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23700 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 22:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vtipres.mindspring.com (user-168-121-120-68.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.120.68]) by answerman.mindspring.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA20762 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 22:39:07 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960720024432.0068f86c@pop.atl.mindspring.com> X-Sender: vtipres@pop.atl.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 22:44:32 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Shon Frazier Subject: Inferno/Limbo Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've been to the Inferno homepage. I've read lots of wonderful things about Inferno & Limbo. Sounds great. I currently use Windows 95 for everything, and I understan I can use Inferno as a user app under Win95 to run Limbo stuff. But will the Inferno/Limbo combination be able to use Windows technologies such as OLE? Or will this type of cross-application data sharing be limited to Web-like technologies (similar to Microsoft ActiveX)? I think I'm beginning to see a few signs of some kind of "universal compatibility" here, but I don't have enough information on this operating system and programming language. Anyone with an answer... ---------------------- S Frazier President VTI Covington, GA vtipres@mindspring.com >From owner-9fans Sat Jul 20 02:50:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA25194 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 02:50:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from r2d2.fdn.org (r2d2.fdn.org [193.55.4.56]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA25190 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 02:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caladan.fdn.fr (uucp@localhost) by r2d2.fdn.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) with UUCP id IAA05487 for cse.psu.edu!9fans; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 08:49:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by caladan.fdn.fr (NX5.67e/NX3.0M-caladan-95Oct10.1) id AA00284; Sat, 20 Jul 96 08:44:38 +0100 Message-Id: <9607200744.AA00284@caladan.fdn.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Face: ;E6B(Fe=GGWjK{zx]Yp3R~ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 96 08:44:37 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: laurent@caladan.fdn.fr Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans auth 4ccee312 subscribe 9fans laurent@caladan.fdn.fr >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 23 08:25:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA08022 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:25:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (upas@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08018 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:25:31 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199607231225.IAA08018@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:29:40 BST subject: mend buglet in du Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans bump% diff /n/cd/sys/src/cmd/du.c du.c 24a25,26 > if(s == 0) > s = "1k"; (talk du -b out of suicide) >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 23 11:41:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA11794 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:41:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gw.pu.ru (gw.pu.ru [193.124.85.219]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11788 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vib.UUCP (root@localhost) by gw.pu.ru (8.6.10/8.6.6) with UUCP id SAA01612 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:39:27 +0400 Received: by vib.usr.pu.ru (UUPC/@ v6.13beta, 12Nov94); id AA25313 Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:34:28 +0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Organization: h w c employees, b f From: "Alexandre E. Kopilovitch" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 18:34:28 +0400 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: Re: limbo Lines: 47 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans howard@plan9.BEll-labs.COM (Howard Trickey) writes: >> would it be possible to implement a qsort replacement in limbo ? > >It is possible, but the answer is so ugly that the real answer is "no". > >(The caller could pass in a channel, and then be willing to answer >questions like "is element 5 greater than element 3" over the channel; >the answer could be an array of element indices in their sort order. Channels >of ascii can be a universal way around type checking.) > >So, for instance, there is a module for sorting directory entries (in various >ways), but no general purpose sorting module. This answer seems rather strange to me, I think that Limbo already has sufficient features for implementing general sorting module. General sorting module (let's call it Sort) needs two external functions: one to compare elements of array (taking two integer indices and producing integer -1/0/+1 result) and another - to exchange them (again, taking their integer indices). Indeed, the question is how to give Sort access to user-supplied Compare and Exchange functions. It can be done as follows: the user must supply *implementation* of module which has a fixed name, say, Sort_User and the fixed declaration: Sort_User module { Sort_Compare: fn (first_index: int, second_index: int) : int; Sort_Exchange: fn (first_index: int, second_index: int); }; I see no obstacles for user-supplied implementation of Sort_User module to access an array to be sorted. Then, one of the arguments for the actual sorting functions of the Sort module must be *path* from which these functions should *load* proper Sort_User implementation. So, Sort module can call user-supplied Sort_Compare and Sort_Exchange functions because: 1) the name of Sort_User module is fixed 2) the path to Sort_User module is known to the Sort when it is called 3) the declaration of Sort_User module is fixed and contains declarations of functions Sort_Compare and Sort_Exchange. Alexander Kopilovitch aek@vib.usr.pu.ru Saint-Petersburg Russia >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 23 12:21:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA12584 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:21:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from didier.ee.gatech.edu (didier.ee.gatech.edu [130.207.230.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12580 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from duchess.ee.gatech.edu (duchess.ee.gatech.edu [130.207.230.13]) by didier.ee.gatech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA22092 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Ammond Received: (ammond@localhost) by duchess.ee.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA26783 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:20:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:20:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9607231220.ZM26781@duchess.ee.gatech.edu> In-Reply-To: Lisa Cocking "Help me up off the floor!" (Jul 23, 11:21am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Help me up off the floor! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans On Jul 23, 11:21am, Lisa Cocking spake thusly: :Well, I didn't hurt myself too badly there, but I was pretty surprised to :get your message. :) Let's see if I can floor you again, and get a reply to you before you disconnect for the day. :We've been thinking about you both a lot this week, with the Olympics. Have :things been as awful as the media have been making them sound? Such as :transportation problems, streets being closed, etc. It sounded like the :athletes actually had it the worst (drivers taking them to the wrong venue, :falling asleep at the wheel, etc.), but it can't be too great for Atlantans :just trying to get around, either. I hope you've been able to do some work :from home, at least, to avoid having to go in. Yeah, I've been working from home a couple of times so far. I'll be home Wednesday and Friday. The driving traffic has been some of the best ever, from what I've heard from people who are driving into campus. I try and leave home by 5:15am at the latest. I usually get to the train station by 5:45 or so, and I'm at my desk by 6:30. Not bad, about a half an hour longer than usual. However, it is definately more crowded when I leave, usually around 2:15, 2:30, since the spectators are moving around then. The train is kind of crowded, but it gets better as we approach where I get on, which is the end of the line (northbound). Southbound train traffic is *packed*, which is why I'm glad I don't go that way. :) :I'd love to see some pics of 'Chele's new plantings. I haven't been doing :much in my garden this year, although some of the things I put in last year :are doing okay. Others, however, are not. My hollyhocks are gorgeous, if :nothing else. The biggest one is about 6 1/2 feet tall now, with lots of :flowers. The daisies and pink coreopsis are doing nicely, too. I just :haven't had the motivation to work in the yard - I'm not sure why. I guess :I'd rather go riding, or something! Wow, that's huge! We haven't done anything that large, just some small flowering growncover around the mailbox post, and a, um.. Daila? whatever near the corner of the garage. Oh, and a couple of forsythia (sp?) here and there. We're mostly working on getting the front yard into shape, which is taking work, but coming along well, as long as I keep up with mowing it. The back is brown, which is usual for the summer. We've got a cool season grass back there (fescue), so it's green in the fall and spring, and goes dormant in the heat. We'll probably try and get some of the bermuda from the front to take back there, since it's so much nicer to walk on, and we don't really care that it turns brown in the winter. I mean, grass is supposed to turn brown in the cold, right? :(turning green with envy...) Well, I don't *personally* know anyone :competing. ;) But, I know some of the big names, which I'm sure you'll :here from everyone else as well. Tinker Juarez on the men's team (look for :the guy with the major dreadlocks), and Juli Furtado on the women's team are :expected to do very well. Alison Sydor (on the Canadian team) is also :pretty well respected. She's a former top-level skier who switched to :mountain biking after having five knee surgeries in five years. Take lots :of pictures so we can try to share the experience vicariously at a later :date (when you show them to us). I didn't think you personally knew anyone, otherwise you might be down here watching them.. :) I pulled up the games web site, and they have a list of the athletes in the events. I'll watch for the dreadlock dude. And I remember hearing about Alison on some news program. And there will be lots of pictures. I'm going to see about the digital camera this afternoon, and Milo (who I'm going with) is an avid photo bug. I might try and take 'cheles camera too, but I'm not sure on that yet. I don't want to ruin it. :I wish I could see that! Mom mentioned to me that Michele is helping with :the crafts. I remember well the time she did that up here - what an :experience! I thought she had taken an oath never to do it again. Glad to :see she's changed her mind. I'm sure you're both doing a great job. Heh. Last week I was the only one who knew their lines (and one of the other people was a UofM drama major :), so we'll see how it goes this week. I need to speak up when I'm on "stage", which is usual for me. I thought 'chele was totally giving up on VBS too, but something changed her mind. She's having to do pretty much all of the prep work for the crafts, because the other woman who offered to help is more than a little scatterbrained. I'll bet that she'll take another oath at the end of this one too.. :) Or maybe not, it hasn't been that bad. Having it spread out over 5 weeks makes it a lot easier to deal with. :Mom told me that she and Dad are planning to go down to see you over the :Labor Day holiday. Wish we could, too (although it does make things a :little crowded). True. It wasn't too bad at Christmas, but I imagine having more beds here would have been better. Maybe you'll be able to come down later on in the year, or next. :It looks like we may be able to get away for nearly a week :in late August, at least. We'll just go back up to Cheboygan. Did you know :we got a new tent? It's really nice, 10x15, two rooms, the whole shebang. :We got it just before the 4th of July holiday and took it up north with us :then. Mom and Dad actually bought it for us. They've been telling us since :we bought the house that they wanted to get us a nice "housewarming" type :gift, but we could never decide what we wanted. Then, about a week before :the holiday, I was lamenting to Mom that while we had planned to buy a new :tent this year, we had decided not to because (a) we weren't going to be :able to take the trip to Vermont as we planned and (b) we're broke. Mom :suggested using the housewarming money to get the tent we wanted, and we :agreed that it would be a good idea. We're really happy with it. I may try :to twist Tim's arm into going up for a 3-day weekend or something within the :next week or two. It's such a nice, cheap getaway. And, lots of good riding! Good deal on the tent. We need to get a tent, since Mom & Dad gave us money last Christmas to buy one. Oops. We looked around at them, but never went and got one. What you got is about what we're looking for. Does it have an awning on it? 'chele wants one on the one we eventually get. Too bad about the Vermont trip, I know you had been looking forward to it. I've been getting into a couple of new outdoor sports, one new and one that I've wanted to start for a long time. Disc golf (new for me), and stunt kiting. A friend from church got me hooked on disc golf (Frisbee golf), and it's a *blast*! It's slow to medium paced, and much cheaper to get started in than regular golf, and there are a couple of courses right around our house. It takes about an hour and a half to play 18 "holes", and it's a lot of walking, which is helpful since I need the exercise anyway. Flying kites is something I've loved to do, ever since I've been a little kid. I think for my birthday I'm going to finally get a dual-line kite and see how many times I can crash it to the ground.. :) Seriously, if you've ever seen master kiters, it is so relaxing to watch. Something about a kite calmly flying over the ground is just fun. :Hey, your birthday is coming up soon. I'm afraid that you (and 'Chele) may :have to wait a few weeks before we send you your gifts. Things are a bit :tight right now. Aw, who am I kidding, we're flat broke. Tim hasn't been :working regularly (just a couple of Sunday piano gigs) since early June. :Beginning next week, though, he should be able to do some temping, as the :class that's been taking all his time finishes on Thursday. Hallelujah! We :still don't know what he will do for money this fall, though. His student :teaching is all arranged, at least (at Berkley). But at any rate, things :should be a little less tight in a couple of weeks. We'll be eating again :any time now! No problem about the gifts, we fully understand about things being tight (remember, we were broke for a year in Hoton). Don't make them a big priority, I mean, spend money on food first.. :) Seriously, don't worry about it. Mac&cheese is your friend. That and tuna, the other cheap food. And Ramen noodles, which are bland but filling. 'chele won't touch 'em, tho. :Well, this is getting really long, and I'm afraid you're going to get bored :and stop reading soon. Take care, and say hi to 'Chele. Oh--did you get :the recipe I sent you? Let me know if you didn't. Yeah, got it. Haven't replied to it yet. Don't know if I need to or not, other than when we make it. :Love, :Weezer :All is strange and vague. Are we dead? Or is this Ohio? Yakko and Dot Warner Love the quote! :) Love, ja. -- Joe Ammond ammond@ee.gatech.edu I used to drive a Heisenberg, but every time I glanced at the spedometer I got lost. >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 23 12:29:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA12747 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:29:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12742 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199607231629.MAA12742@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:35:10 BST Subject: Re: Help me up off the floor! Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>:we bought the house that they wanted to get us a nice "housewarming" type >>:gift, but we could never decide what we wanted. ... go for it: the full Plan 9 kit with CDROM. >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 23 12:31:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA12813 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:31:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from didier.ee.gatech.edu (didier.ee.gatech.edu [130.207.230.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12809 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from duchess.ee.gatech.edu (duchess.ee.gatech.edu [130.207.230.13]) by didier.ee.gatech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA22779 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:30:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Ammond Received: (ammond@localhost) by duchess.ee.gatech.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA26813 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:30:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:30:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9607231230.ZM26811@duchess.ee.gatech.edu> In-Reply-To: Joe Ammond "Re: Help me up off the floor!" (Jul 23, 12:20pm) References: <9607231220.ZM26781@duchess.ee.gatech.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Help me up off the floor! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans On Jul 23, 12:20pm, Joe Ammond spake thusly: [ mindless personal drivel deleted ] Shoot me now, please. I am extremely sorry, and I imagine my inbox is going to be also. I'm off to go RTFM on my MUA, and get some new fingers. ja. -- Joe Ammond ammond@ee.gatech.edu I used to drive a Heisenberg, but every time I glanced at the spedometer I got lost. >From owner-9fans Thu Jul 25 10:29:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15389 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:29:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ns.dbSystems.com (ns.dbSystems.com [204.178.76.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15385 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gdb@localhost) by ns.dbSystems.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA28729 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:54:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:54:29 -0500 From: "G. David Butler" Message-Id: <199607251354.IAA28729@ns.dbSystems.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: rlogin and Plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I don't know if this has been covered anywhere, but if you don't like "none" to get access to your system via telnet or rlogin you have to put the -N option on the telnetd command in /bin/service/tcp23 and modify /sys/src/cmd/service/rlogin.c to pass the -N to telnetd or modify it to accept a -N flag and add the -N option on the rlogin command in /bin/service/tcp513 David Butler gdb@dbSystems.com >From owner-9fans Sun Jul 28 21:50:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA01728 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:50:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pyramid.cs.unr.edu (pyramid.cs.unr.edu [134.197.40.253]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01721 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ed@localhost) by pyramid.cs.unr.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA12785 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 18:48:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 18:48:59 -0700 From: Ed Wishart Message-Id: <199607290148.SAA12785@pyramid.cs.unr.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: problems receiving mail Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I can send mail from my plan9 system but cannot receive mail from remote sites. I am running the kernel from the book/cdrom distribution 0f 1995. Remote mail from my plan9 system gets delivered okay. Local mail is fine. I can telnet to the plan9 system on port 25 and hand deliver a mail message and it get put in my plan9 mailbox. However, when sendmail tries to talk to my plan9 system, the screen fills up with: washoe jul 28 18:26 tcp call for tcp25 on chan /net/tcp/16 18 20 22 23 25 16 and this goes on until the system crashes. washoe is the domain name of the plan9 system. Can someone point me in the diredction of where I have a configuration error? I used to get mail on my old (pre publication release) of plan9, but have not been able to get the new release to receive remote mail. This message of being sent from unix so replies will be received. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ed Wishart The only constant in life is change. Computer Science Department/171 University of Nevada Reno, NV 89557 USA Internet: ed@cs.unr.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From owner-9fans Mon Jul 29 12:29:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07080 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:29:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07076 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607291629.MAA07076@cse.psu.edu> From: "Rob Pike" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:29:06 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans A simple bug in chan.c: in the Acreate case of namec(), OCEXEC is checked but not ORCLOSE; add if(omode & ORCLOSE) c->flag |= CRCLOSE; >From owner-9fans Mon Jul 29 18:16:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA11050 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:16:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from baygate.bayarea.net (baygate.bayarea.net [204.71.212.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA11043 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mcnab@localhost) by baygate.bayarea.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA13210; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:08:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:08:37 -0700 From: David McNab Message-Id: <199607292208.PAA13210@baygate.bayarea.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Control over Installation Partition? Reply-to: David McNab Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm sorry if this is a tiresome question. I looked through the archives and FAQ's and saw some similiar inquiries, but no definitive answer. Is there a way to install to a specific disk "partition" (as in fdisk partition), or do am I forced to trust the installation program to Do The Right Thing? I want to install to the end of the second of my two SCSI disks (I have no IDE disks). The disk in question currently has three "fdisk partitions". The first two are occupied with MSDOS and FreeBSD, but the third comprises the unused remainder of the disk. I would like to install to the third partition. Is there a way to do this explicitly? Or do I delete the empty third partition and then trust the installation to end up in the right place, after the two occupied partitions? -- Dave McNab >From owner-9fans Mon Jul 29 21:31:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA12543 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:31:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA12539 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12685>; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:30:33 -0400 To: David McNab , 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Control over Installation Partition? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:08:37 EDT." <199607292208.PAA13210@baygate.bayarea.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:30:20 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul29.213033edt.12685@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans David McNab writes: | Is there a way to install to a specific disk "partition" | (as in fdisk partition), No. | or do am I forced to trust the installation program to Do The Right Thing? Yes. >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 30 00:57:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA13710 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:57:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from baygate.bayarea.net (baygate.bayarea.net [204.71.212.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13706 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mcnab@localhost) by baygate.bayarea.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA29862; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:49:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:49:05 -0700 From: David McNab Message-Id: <199607300449.VAA29862@baygate.bayarea.net> To: schwartz@galapagos.cse.psu.edu CC: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-reply-to: <96Jul29.213033edt.12685@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> (message from Scott Schwartz on Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:30:20 -0400) Subject: Re: Control over Installation Partition? Reply-to: David McNab Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Scott Schwartz wrote: |David McNab writes: || Is there a way to install to a specific disk "partition" || (as in fdisk partition), | |No. | || or do am I forced to trust the installation program to Do The Right Thing? | |Yes. Well then: will it? -- Dave >From owner-9fans Tue Jul 30 01:20:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA13912 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA13908 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12685>; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:18:52 -0400 To: David McNab cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Control over Installation Partition? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:49:05 EDT." <199607300449.VAA29862@baygate.bayarea.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:18:37 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Jul30.011852edt.12685@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans David McNab writes: | Scott Schwartz wrote: | |David McNab writes: | || Is there a way to install to a specific disk "partition" | || (as in fdisk partition), | | | |No. | | | || or do am I forced to trust the installation program to Do The Right Thing? | | | |Yes. | | Well then: will it? -- Dave Yes, if you follow the instructions. Leave unassigned space after the last partition, and Plan 9 will go there. There was apparently a bug with an early version of the install program, but the current floppy images should be good. 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