>From owner-9fans Tue Oct 1 10:32:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA10347 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:32:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tigaon2.cps.cmich.edu (tigaon2.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10343 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by tigaon2.cps.cmich.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA25788 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:29:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <199610011429.KAA25788@tigaon2.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Plan9 ideas.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello Sorry for bugging you again! I have to put in a request for hardware upgrade/support for a small Plan9 network in the OS lab. At present Minix (in first course -- senior level) and Amoeba (second course -- Master's level) are used for instruction purposes. To this end, I have to put in a rational for justifying the cost. As I have not played with Plan9 enough, I am soliciting ideas (from the people in the know) towards -- possible issues/ideas/novel features of Plan9 that can be used for studying in an instructional environment. All suggestions will be greatly appreciated.. Ishwar Rattan >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 1 16:26:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15544 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:26:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15540 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12684>; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:24:26 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: ssh oops Message-Id: <96Oct1.162426edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:24:18 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It seems the ssh bundle I mentioned was missing one crucial file. A new one has been installed in its place. >From owner-9fans Sat Oct 5 23:31:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA05095 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 23:31:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05091 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 23:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610060331.XAA05091@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 23:28:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Installing & IP Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Assorted system trivia is: Pentium, 16M ram, IDE disks, 3c590 10/100 > ethernet interface (Plan 9 detects it as a 3c509), video works in > 1 bit vga mode. Even the most recent 4-floppy set will not work correctly with the 3C595 (which is what I think you have, the 3C590 is a 10Mbps card only and should work). Short of me back-porting the Brazil driver to Plan 9 and making a new set of floppies, you will need to get a supported card if you want to use the network. > And a third question in the line of trivia: The Plan 9 install > disks boot directly to the Plan 9 operating system, but once > it is installed, you have to have MS-DOS and use b.com to > load it. Why put DOS in the middle? You can always use a floppy to boot Plan 9 directly, we just never bothered doing all the IDE drive booting stuff (99.9% of the time we boot directly over the network and don't use the discs for anything other than holding b.com and plan9.ini). Jim McKie jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com >From owner-9fans Mon Oct 7 08:58:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA15085 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:58:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15081 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199610071258.IAA15081@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:52:26 GMT Subject: Re: Installing & IP Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Jim McKie says: > ... the 3C590 is a 10Mbps card only and should work I found problems with the 3C590: particularly under the IL protocol, transmission was very slow and often hung up completely. Some investigation showed that the TxAvailable interrupt (which signals that the adapter's transmit FIFO has space for the next packet) wasn't being received. (Presumably only the IL protocol is efficient enough to overrun the adapter's transmission speed and allow the FIFO to fill up ...) I believe the problem is that the TxAvailable threshold needs to be set in units of longwords rather than bytes (could someone with access to hardware documentation for the 3C590 please confirm this?). If this is right, in ether509.c the line COMMAND(port, SetTxAvailable, len); ought to be COMMAND(port, SetTxAvailable, len>>2); After this change on my system, TxAvailable interrupts occur as expected and IL transmission runs without a problem. -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Mon Oct 7 09:46:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15661 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15657 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610071345.JAA15657@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:30:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Installing & IP Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans You're right and I'd forgotten about that fix in the current driver we have, the 590 and 595 (and the eisa variants whose numbers I've forgotten) require the thresholds to be in longwords. You can decide whether the shift is necessary at the end of the reset routine by either just requiring it if a pci card is detected or by the following, courtesy of Tom Killian (tom@research.att.com) COMMAND(port, SetTxAvailable, 1800); COMMAND(port, SelectWindow, 5); i = ins(port+0x02); COMMAND(port, SelectWindow, 1); switch(i){ case 1800: ctlr->card.txashift = 0; break; case 7200: ctlr->card.txashift = 1; print("ether509: SetTxAvailable shifted\n"); break; default: panic("ether509: SetTxAvailable %d", i); break; } along with adding an element to the Card structure in ether.h uchar txashift; and using the variable when setting the threshold in the transmit routine if(ctlr->card.txashift) COMMAND(port, SetTxAvailable, len/4); else COMMAND(port, SetTxAvailable, len); ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Mon Oct 7 09:22:31 EDT 1996 Received: from cse.psu.edu by plan9; Mon Oct 7 09:22:31 EDT 1996 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15122; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:58:41 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA15085 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:58:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15081 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: hamnavoe.demon.co.uk!miller Message-Id: <199610071258.IAA15081@cse.psu.edu> To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:52:26 GMT Subject: Re: Installing & IP Sender: cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Reply-To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Precedence: bulk Jim McKie says: > ... the 3C590 is a 10Mbps card only and should work I found problems with the 3C590: particularly under the IL protocol, transmission was very slow and often hung up completely. Some investigation showed that the TxAvailable interrupt (which signals that the adapter's transmit FIFO has space for the next packet) wasn't being received. (Presumably only the IL protocol is efficient enough to overrun the adapter's transmission speed and allow the FIFO to fill up ...) I believe the problem is that the TxAvailable threshold needs to be set in units of longwords rather than bytes (could someone with access to hardware documentation for the 3C590 please confirm this?). If this is right, in ether509.c the line COMMAND(port, SetTxAvailable, len); ought to be COMMAND(port, SetTxAvailable, len>>2); After this change on my system, TxAvailable interrupts occur as expected and IL transmission runs without a problem. -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 9 12:41:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21391 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:41:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21387 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610091641.MAA21387@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:40:40 BST subject: fix to /sys/src/libc/port/dial.c Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans errstr changed between editions so that it now exchanges the contents of the two buffers. dial.c wasn't changed accordingly, but there is at least one path through dial where errstr can be called with an uninitialised byte array, which is copied into the process's error string. (specifically, if ndb/cs doesn't return anything.) ordinarily, that does no great harm, but if there is a % in the rubbish, it causes trouble: the string is fetched by a later errstr, then passed to werrstr as a format, in which % can cause various kinds of havoc. ndb/dns can blow up, for instance. the simple fix is to ensure that errstr's argument buffer is initialised, and use errstr not werrstr to set the string in some cases. i changed a few sprint to snprint while i was at it, just in case, and initialised a default error message in one case. a boddle file is in ftp://ftp.cs.york.ac.uk/plan9/bod/dial.bod. here are some diffs. term% diff /n/cd/libc/port/dial.c /sys/src/libc/port/dial.c 51a52 > err[0] = 0; 54c55 < werrstr(err); --- > errstr(err); 62a64 > alterr[0] = 0; 65c67 < werrstr(err); --- > errstr(err); 67c69 < werrstr(alterr); --- > errstr(alterr); 95c97 < sprint(buf, "%s!%s", ds->proto, ds->rem); --- > snprint(buf, sizeof(buf), "%s!%s", ds->proto, ds->rem); 105a108 > snprint(err, sizeof(err), "%s: can't translate address", buf); 117a121 > err[0] = 0; 125c129 < werrstr(besterr); --- > errstr(besterr); 127c131 < werrstr(err); --- > errstr(err); >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 9 12:53:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21612 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:53:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21604 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:52:56 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610091652.MAA21604@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:56:45 BST subject: fix to /sys/src/cmd/service/ftp.c Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans the argument to the announce call in pasv mode isn't quite right. term% diff /n/cd/sys/src/cmd/service/ftp.c /sys/src/cmd/service/ftp.c 673c673 < sprint(buf, "tcp!%d", port); --- > sprint(buf, "tcp!*!%d", port); >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 9 20:03:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA04392 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:03:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04387 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:03:38 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610100003.UAA04387@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:04:40 -0400 Subject: re: C-Kermit and Plan 9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Did I answer this? Just grab the floppies off the net and boot it. Comes with compiler and binaries. ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Mon Sep 23 17:21:15 EDT 1996 Received: from cse.psu.edu by plan9; Mon Sep 23 17:21:15 EDT 1996 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24902; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:54:25 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24842 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:54:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24833 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA07185; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 16:52:46 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: Plan 9 Fans Subject: C-Kermit and Plan 9 Message-ID: Sender: cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Reply-To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Precedence: bulk Hi Plan 9 people. I'm the Kermit guy. I'm working on a new release of C-Kermit (communications software, serial and TCP/IP; terminal connection, file transfer, character-set translation, scripting), which to date has been adapted to about 700 different platforms, but so far not yet to Plan 9. Since Plan 9 is supposed to include POSIX APIs and a sockets library, which C-Kermit already supports, I thought it would be worth trying to see if C-Kermit could be built there, or what it would take to make it build. Anybody want to take a shot at this? Or, alternatively, does anyone have a Plan 9 system that I could get telnet and ftp access to, and do it myself? Thanks! Frank da Cruz Manager Communications Software Development Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Email: fdc@columbia.edu >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 10 03:08:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07873 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:08:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from symbionics.co.uk (symbionics-gw.pipex.net [158.43.6.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA07869 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sympc267.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04745; Thu, 10 Oct 96 08:07:06 BST Message-Id: <9610100707.AA04745@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:06:28 +0100 Subject: re: C-Kermit and Plan 9 Reply-To: ngr@symbionics.co.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Did I answer this? Just grab the floppies off the net and boot it. Comes > with compiler and binaries. If only. I've got about 50% of the way in compiling it for Frank. Anyone in any doubt as to the validity of what Plan 9 left behind in Unix should try porting C-Kermit! Nigel Roles >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 10 13:51:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15685 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:51:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from colossus.mathcs.rhodes.edu (colossus.mathcs.rhodes.edu [198.78.24.11]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15668 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.mathcs.rhodes.edu (zen.mathcs.rhodes.edu [198.78.24.20]) by (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA15997 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:49:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by zen.mathcs.rhodes.edu (8.6.9) id MAA08389; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:45:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199610101745.MAA08389@zen.mathcs.rhodes.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Trouble setting up a network Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:45:33 -0500 From: "Brian L. Stuart" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have several questions about setting up a Plan 9 network: 1. Do I understand correctly that if I don't already have a network set up, that to install a file server on a PC, I really need 2 PCs, one with the CD drive and one where the FS will reside? Or is there a way to be running on a stand-alone PC and build the file server's file system from the CD on that machine. (Believe it or not, I actually have only one PC in the lab; it's mostly SPARCs and an Alpha.) 2. If I have a network running using a u9fs file server, can I use mkfs to install to a PC file server instead of using the floppy based install? 3. Now the biggie. I must really be missing something basic here. When I try to boot a SPARC terminal (or a CPU server), the code downloads (for the terminal the count runs to 7ea00), but that's all that happens. I've tried this on several machines. Some kick the cursor down to the next line and hang completely, others keep the cursor at the end of the number and do nothing except respond to ^t^tr. I've tried this on IPCs and SPARC 2s, and on the IPCs, I've tried it with bwtwo and cgthree video controllers. If I understand the documentation correctly, it should ask about where to find the root before it even tries to talk to a file server, and the u9fs server I have running doesn't seem to get any requests. Also from the code, it looks like screeninit() should be clearing the screen but it's not. It would appear that the kernel is not recognizing the machine or the video, but I can't figure out what I've screwed up. Thanks in advance, Brian L. Stuart Math/CS Dept, Rhodes College, Memphis, TN stuart@mathcs.rhodes.edu http://www.mathcs.rhodes.edu/~stuart >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 11 10:17:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA29007 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:17:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.4]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29003 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.35.49]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA7896 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:17:08 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:16:19 +0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Message-ID: <19961011141705.AAA7896@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans index end >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 11 11:54:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00866 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:54:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00859 for <9fans-digest@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.116.45.176]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA23813 for <9fans-digest@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:51:12 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:50:22 +0000 To: 9fans-digest@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Message-ID: <19961011155110.AAA23813@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans index end >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 11 11:55:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00928 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:55:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00924 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.36.247]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA25398 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:54:34 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:53:45 +0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Message-ID: <19961011155432.AAA25398@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans info end >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 11 11:56:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00962 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:56:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00955 for <9fans-digest@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.34.78]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA25832 for <9fans-digest@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:55:33 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:54:44 +0000 To: 9fans-digest@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Message-ID: <19961011155531.AAA25832@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans info index end >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 11 12:05:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01174 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:05:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from route1.france3.fr (route1.france3.fr [194.51.91.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01169 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id SAA14330; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:04:33 GMT Received: by PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28330; Fri, 11 Oct 96 18:05:07 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:00:39 +0200 To: Thomas West Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <19961011141705.AAA7896@LOCALNAME> Message-Id: <199610111800.15172.9.bagij@france3.fr> X-Utm: N 31 447109 5411310 La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: Thomas West index end this is a mailing list, not a listserver (or whatever you seem to think it is). posting control messages to humans doesn't make for interesting reading. thank you for using... 9fans. >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 11 12:27:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01631 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:27:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01622 for <9fans-digest@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.34.139]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA12283 for <9fans-digest@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:26:19 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:25:30 +0000 To: 9fans-digest@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Message-ID: <19961011162617.AAA12283@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans info index end >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 11 12:31:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01750 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:31:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01744 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.34.124]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA13904 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:30:15 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:29:26 +0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Message-ID: <19961011163012.AAA13904@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans index end >From owner-9fans Sat Oct 12 12:15:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA12092 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:15:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12088 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:15:48 -0400 (EDT) From: ngr@cotswold.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199610121615.MAA12088@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:46:35 BST Subject: NCR SCSI driver Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans There is greatly enhanced version of the NCR SCSI controller driver in ftp://ftp.cs.york.ac.uk/plan9/ngr/ncr/src/875.tar. This supports 1. a lot of different NCR/Symbios chips, up to the 875 2. synchronous, wide, and ultra negotiation 3. differential cards Nigel Roles ngr@symbionics.co.uk when I'm at work >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 15 00:03:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA09334 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:03:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (border.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09318 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by janus.border.com id <18437-2>; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:59:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:01:03 -0400 From: steve@border.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-Id: <96Oct14.235927edt.18437-2@janus.border.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Content-Type: text Apparently-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 15 07:37:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11421 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:37:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11414 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:36:44 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610151136.HAA11414@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:13:34 BST subject: ML Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans is there a port of SML for Plan 9? >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 15 07:37:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11451 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:37:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (root@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.4]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11446 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19722 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610151136.HAA19722@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 15 10:27:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14122 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:27:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14113 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT) From: howard@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610151427.KAA14113@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:18:24 -0400 Subject: Re: ML Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Yes (version 108.4 of Standard ML of New Jersey). I'll make a tar of the tree and put it in the place where patches go. >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 15 16:14:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19802 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:14:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from renoir.op.net (root@renoir.op.net [206.84.208.4]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19792 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 206.84.209.108 (d8-0c.ppp.op.net [206.84.209.108]) by renoir.op.net (8.7.1/8.7.1/$Revision: 1.10 $) with SMTP id QAA23049; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <326402D3.2AC2@openeye.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:32:22 -0500 From: nathan solomon Organization: open eye syndicate X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01b1 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: inferno References: <96Oct14.235927edt.18437-2@janus.border.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm looking for a discussion of utilizations of inferno. -We're just beginning to get involved with it. There don't seem to be any newsgroups or mailing lists set up. Is anyone here involved with Inferno; any good/bad results? Thanks, Nathan -- Nathan Solomon Creative Director -open eye syndicate- http://www.openeye.com >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 15 16:33:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20059 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:22:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20051 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12686>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:21:32 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:32:22 EDT." <326402D3.2AC2@openeye.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:21:19 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Oct15.162132edt.12686@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Inferno discussion is welcome here. There's also an inferno mailing list at interstice.com. (As usual, subscription requests to inferno-request@interstice.com) >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 15 17:21:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA00561 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:21:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from trantor.cse.psu.edu (root@trantor.cse.psu.edu [130.203.3.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00523 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:20:17 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by trantor.cse.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22493 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610152113.RAA22493@trantor.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:11:16 -0400 Subject: re: inferno Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans There is a mailing list. You can subscribe by mailing the line subscribe inferno to majordomo@interstice.com >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 15 17:37:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA00902 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:37:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00896 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12686>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:37:34 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: forwarded message re: inferno Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:37:21 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Oct15.173734edt.12686@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Phil sent the following, but majordomo noticed that it included a listserv command and intercepted it. 9fans beware. :-) >From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com >To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:11:16 -0400 >Subject: re: inferno > >There is a mailing list. You can subscribe >by mailing the line > >subscribe inferno > >to majordomo@interstice.com >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 15 19:22:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA03233 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:22:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ncube.att.com (cobra.ncube.com [134.242.5.188]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03225 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610152321.TAA03225@cse.psu.edu> From: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Date: Sun, 15 Oct 28 16:02:29 PDT To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: encrypt/decrypt not thread safe Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Tracing a kernel bug we found that encrypt/decrypt are not multi-thread safe. They save some values in global memory. This is ok for user programs but can cause authentication errors inside the kernel. Those are the static variables used in des_encrypt: /* * The current block, divided into 2 halves. */ static char L[64], *R = L+32; static char tempL[32]; static char f[32]; /* * The combination of the key and the input, before selection. */ static char preS[48]; Could I move those variables inside des_encrypt??? I compiles but I'm not sure the code would be correct, some reference could be set to L, temp, or f? 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Click on: http://dhea.natureplus.com >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 01:57:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA06886 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 01:57:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA06882 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 01:57:49 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610160557.BAA06882@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:07:46 BST Subject: re: encrypt/decrypt not thread safe Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans you've supplied your own crypt routine because the real one isn't included in the distribution for the usual silly reason (it's illegal in the US to export dangerous cryptographic routines that anyone in the world can type in from a book they can buy freely). the version of the routine you've picked (looks like the old unix one, also non-exportable, but people slip up) isn't safe. i'm fairly sure the binary version shipped as crypt.*.save is fine. boyd might be able to offer a safe replacement that's not subject to pointless controls. >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 02:03:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA06956 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:03:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA06937 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:00:19 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610160600.CAA06937@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:09:48 BST Subject: re: encrypt/decrypt not thread safe Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>i'm fairly sure the binary version shipped as crypt.*.save is fine. indeed, i'm certain. >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 02:11:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA07048 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:11:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gateway.minimal.com (rmuha.shore.net [198.115.180.60]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA07044 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.243.174.18] (flatline.minimal.com [206.243.174.18]) by gateway.minimal.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA04272 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:11:31 -0400 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199610160135.BAA01693@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:11:29 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Original name of sam, alef, acid, acme etc? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Although it may sound silly, I would like to know what are the origin of >names such as sam, alef, acid, acme, mothra etc... I know 81/2 is from >a title of movie. ^_^ acme is the name of the company that Wily Coyote (the Roadrunner's nemesis) buys his equipment from... mothra: you're japanese and you've never heard of Mothra? shame on you! :) next thing, you'll be telling us you've never heard of Godzilla or Rodan either! r >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 03:03:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07466 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:03:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (octarine-253.cc.adfa.oz.au [131.236.253.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA07458 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cjsv@localhost) by octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA03218; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:03:25 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199610160703.RAA03218@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: encrypt/decrypt not thread safe In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:07:46 -0000. <199610160557.BAA06882@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Computer Science, University College, University of New South Wales, Canberra X-URI: http://www.cs.adfa.oz.au/people/cjsv.html Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:03:24 +1000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk wrote: | the version of the routine you've picked (looks like the old unix one, | also non-exportable, but people slip up) isn't safe. i'm fairly sure | the binary version shipped as crypt.*.save is fine. | boyd might be able to offer a safe replacement that's not subject to pointless controls. The previous CD-ROM did include source and I'm sure Beto can get hold of it. Is the source on that CD-ROM identical to the currently invisible source? -- Christopher >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 03:40:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07669 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:40:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA07665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:40:09 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610160740.DAA07665@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:49:16 BST Subject: Re: encrypt/decrypt not thread safe Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Is the source on that CD-ROM identical to the currently invisible source? it compiled to the same binary last time i tried. i used it for a port >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 04:24:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA07878 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:24:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.53]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA07872 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with ESMTP id IAA02233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:24:28 GMT Message-Id: <199610160824.IAA02233@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/8/95 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Original name of sam, alef, acid, acme etc? In-reply-to: rmuha's message of Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:11:29 -0400. X-Face: c&p4R0TJjYFjk=@bKczo{C sKKOf\&6Uit'm^\>/U$hw>Q$ME8|YGbcfnd`z Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:24:27 +0900 From: Kenji Okamoto Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > mothra: you're japanese and you've never heard of Mothra? shame on you! :) > next thing, you'll be telling us you've never heard of Godzilla > or Rodan either! Actually, I was very doubt of it. However, I couldn't imagine it's really true. :-) Kenji >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 11:58:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA12782 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:58:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ten.pixar.com (ten.pixar.com [138.72.27.54]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12777 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ten.pixar.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vDYLa-00HkM5C; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:57 PDT From: "Tom Duff" Message-Id: <9610160857.ZM21211@ten> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:57:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: Kenji Okamoto "Original name of sam, alef, acid, acme etc?" (Oct 16, 10:35am) References: <199610160135.BAA01693@earth.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Reply-To: td@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Original name of sam, alef, acid, acme etc? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Although it may sound silly, I would like to know what are the origin of > names such as sam, alef, acid, acme, mothra The original Unix editor was called ed, so Rob called his first screen editor jim, and the next one sam. I don't think there's any more to it than that -- you certainly won't get a straight answer from him. Alef is named analagously to B and C, just choosing from a new alphabet. Ask philw about acid. Acme is probably named after Wile E. Coyote's equipment supplier, by the time it appeared I'd given up on asking Rob about names of programs. Mothra is named after the Japanese horror-movie monster. See the `100% mothra-compatible' logo on for a picture. I picked the name because Netscape's browser is called Mozilla (a portmanteau of Mosaic (its progenitor) and Godzilla) and mothra is its Plan 9 `competition.' Speaking of mothra, I used to be embarassed and annoyed that I couldn't make a product as comprehensive & featuriferous as Netscape's. Having been stuck using Mozilla for a couple of months (I don't have a Plan 9 machine at Pixar), I'm astounded at how poorly it performs. The only things it beats mothra on are features that I never got to, mainly tables, hard-copy output & netnews. Its page formatting sucks dry air, its navigation buttons never do what you want, it makes it as difficult as possible to type urls, its menu layout is, at best, bizarre. I look forward to not having to use it any more. -- Tom Duff >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 12:43:05 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA13547 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:43:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13540 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:42:59 -0400 (EDT) From: rob@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610161642.MAA13540@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:42:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Original name of sam, alef, acid, acme etc? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The hermeneutics of naming yields few insights. Things are named usually because the name is nice (sam), or there is some private reference hard to decode (8½), or in honour (perhaps backhanded) of another system (mothra), or an indication of expectation (Plan 9, Acme), or just because (acid). None of the names tell you anything helpful. Despite the lack of information, those who guess at reasons for naming generate volumes of apocrypha. The real reason is usually, "because". When I gave regular talks about Plan 9 from Bell Labs, most times someone would ask if the name was in reference to the movie. Remarkably often, the question would be phrased, "Do you know there's a movie called `Plan 9 from Outer Space'?" When I would answer in the affirmative, the questioner would shake his head and say, "What a coincidence." -rob >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 13:07:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13899 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:07:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from broadway.zetnet.co.uk (root@man-073.zetnet.co.uk [194.73.161.37]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13895 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:07:28 -0400 (EDT) From: pete.fenelon@zetnet.co.uk Message-Id: <199610161128.MAA00243@broadway.zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Original name of sam, alef, acid, acme etc? To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:28:09 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "ralph muha" at Oct 16, 96 02:11:29 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > mothra: you're japanese and you've never heard of Mothra? shame on you! :) > next thing, you'll be telling us you've never heard of Godzilla > or Rodan either! 'Cos they're Mosura and Gojira in Japanese :) 8-1/2 is called that as it was Pike's 8 and a halfth windowing system -- it also happens to be a film by Fellini. pete -- Pete Fenelon, 39 Broadway, Fulford, York, YO1 4JP, UK Tel: +44 1904 670334 pete.fenelon@zetnet.co.uk "There's no room for enigmas in built-up areas." >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 13:09:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13964 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:09:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13960 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610161709.NAA13960@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:16:59 BST Subject: Re: mothra Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >> performs. The only things it beats mothra on are >> features that I never got to, mainly tables, hard-copy >> output & netnews. Its page formatting sucks dry air, >> its navigation buttons never do what you want, it >> makes it as difficult as possible to type urls, its >> menu layout is, at best, bizarre. I look forward to >> not having to use it any more. i can't stand netscape myself; i use it only when some site officiously throws me into a distinct `download Explorer' or `download Netscape' page for every page i select. (they nearly always want to make their pages ugly and confusing by using `frames'.) it's interesting that in recent releases of Netscape, asking for netnews puts you in what is almost a completely different program, with a substantially different interface. being Netscape, that different program is buried inside the web browser (along with a Java interpreter, and the rest of an amazingly ugly CGI operating system, following in the tradition of Emacs and Perl). td was right not to implement tables months ago; the specification has changed significantly (it's now more straightforward). similarly for all the other crud that died with HTML+ and HTML3.0. i'm considering implementing tables in mothra now, since someone here complained about it. i've got a separate netnews program called `rin' built using the panel library. the name is full of significance for me. since netnews is mainly text, however (or rather, something that passes for text, if not for thought), the approach followed by beto and others of making the news reader a client of acme (cf. Mail) is better in many ways. then again, cat >/dev/null is often just as good a news reader as any. >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 13:26:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14212 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14208 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from reynaldo.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.96]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14834(4)>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:19:50 PDT Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by reynaldo.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <304513>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:19:01 PDT X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu cc: kerch@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: mothra In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:16:59 PDT." <199610161709.NAA13960@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:19:00 PDT From: Berry Kercheval Message-Id: <96Oct16.101901pdt."304513"@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>>forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk said: > i've got a separate netnews program called `rin' built using the panel library. > the name is full of significance for me. Does "Rin-Tin-Tin" enter into it? If I implement a newsreader, I want to call it "Milou". --berry Berry Kercheval :: kerch@parc.xerox.com :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 13:44:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14471 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:44:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14466 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610161744.NAA14466@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:52:59 BST Subject: Re: mothra Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Does "Rin-Tin-Tin" enter into it? ha. got you. >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 14:15:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14989 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14985 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:15:29 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199610161815.OAA14985@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:05:31 GMT Subject: Re: ML Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Caml Light (version 0.71) also works -- I can provide boddles if anyone is interested. -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 14:38:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15489 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:38:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15469 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:38:39 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610161838.OAA15469@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:49:01 BST Subject: Re: ML Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans drat. we've both done that one. that's why i've now taken to asking the list, first! ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 19:30:44 BST 1996 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15008; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:15:43 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14989 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14985 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:15:29 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199610161815.OAA14985@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:05:31 GMT Subject: Re: ML Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Caml Light (version 0.71) also works -- I can provide boddles if anyone is interested. -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 16:56:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18664 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:56:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from utstat.toronto.edu (utstat.toronto.edu [128.100.73.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18657 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610162056.QAA18657@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Looks like those boys have a copy of the OED arround To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Glinos, x4302" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans portmanteau? hermeneutics? Hmmm. It seems that Plan 9 and its ilk may be generating a renaissance of the English language as well as computing. >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 17:40:56 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19284 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:40:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19279 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12686>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:40:35 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Looks like those boys have a copy of the OED arround In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:55:55 EDT." <199610162056.QAA18657@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:40:08 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Oct16.174035edt.12686@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans "Tom Glinos, x4302" writes: | portmanteau? | hermeneutics? | | Hmmm. It seems that Plan 9 and its ilk may be generating a renaissance | of the English language as well as computing. Don't get Rob started on "prepend" again. By the way, if the mnt driver starts complaining about replies not matching requests is that indicative of a bug? I started getting those messages in response to attempted network connections when our telecom people decided to randomize the routing tables for the night. >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 17:45:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19371 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:45:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ns.att.com (ns.research.att.com [192.20.225.4]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19362 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com by ns; Wed Oct 16 17:44:06 EDT 1996 Received: from corona.research.att.com by research; Wed Oct 16 17:42:40 EDT 1996 Received: (from rsc@localhost) by corona.research.att.com (8.7.5/8.7) id RAA21532 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610162143.RAA21532@corona.research.att.com> From: Russ Cox To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: faking a plan9 network Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I understand this is a non-standard setup. Please bear with me. I have a standalone Pentium Plan 9 terminal. It runs kfs for a file system; everything is great. I want to make an old 386 another Plan 9 terminal. Its connected via an Ethernet and I can boot off disk1 from the ftp site. I can also get it to boot (using disk1) a kernel from the Pentium, that is, from e!0. The problem is that I want to have the root file system be from the Pentium as well. I tried giving it il!192.168.96.11!17008 as where root is from, and it worked to the degree that /bin/service/il17008 gets called on the Pentium. I copied the il17007 file and made it il17008. Even if I take the -a out of the exportfs command line, I get authentication errors from the 386 trying to boot, and it just prints out the standard hex dump and hangs. This is probably because I don't have an auth server. I suppose that I need to fake an auth server in addition to faking a file server, but I don't want to dedicate a computer to being a cpu server (to run auth stuff on) because all I've got are the two terminals that both need to be able to be used as terminals. So does anyone have any good way to fake an auth server on a terminal? Thanks. Russ >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 17:48:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19426 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:48:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ns.att.com (ns.research.att.com [192.20.225.4]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19422 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com by ns; Wed Oct 16 17:47:08 EDT 1996 Received: from corona.research.att.com by research; Wed Oct 16 17:46:25 EDT 1996 Received: (from rsc@localhost) by corona.research.att.com (8.7.5/8.7) id RAA21852; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610162147.RAA21852@corona.research.att.com> From: Russ Cox To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: tg@utstat.toronto.edu Subject: Re: Looks like those boys have a copy of the OED arround Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Subject: Looks like those boys have a copy of the OED arround % man 7 dict >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 19:22:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20779 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:22:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20773 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610162322.TAA20773@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:22:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Looks like those boys have a copy of the OED arround Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >By the way, if the mnt driver starts complaining about replies not >matching requests is that indicative of a bug? I started getting those >messages in response to attempted network connections when our telecom >people decided to randomize the routing tables for the night. Yes. It means that tags for incoming responses dont match the reply type expected. We usually only see it when file servers are incorrectly implemented. phil >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 19:39:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA21197 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:39:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21193 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:39:14 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610162339.TAA21193@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:49:59 BST subject: unmatched replies Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans the `unmatched reply' diagnostic is easy to generate by interrupting a (user level) file server that queues requests and replies to them out of issuing order but doesn't (quite) cope with Tflush/Rflush. p9auth% mail 9fans subject: unmatched replies the `unmatched reply' diagnostic is easy to generate by interrupting a (user level) file server that queues requests and replies to them out of issuing order but doesn't (quite) cope with Tflush/Rflush. rflush(void) /* synchronous so easy */ is sometimes a clue. dnsiplookup in ndb/cs might be a good place to start looking in your case, but i'm just guessing. it depends what you were trying to do when you noticed that the routing tables had changed ... >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 16 22:48:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA22802 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:48:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA22798 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12686>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:47:53 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: unmatched replies In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:49:59 EDT." <199610162339.TAA21193@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:47:44 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Oct16.224753edt.12686@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk writes: | the `unmatched reply' diagnostic is easy to generate by | interrupting a (user level) file server that queues requests and replies | to them out of issuing order but doesn't (quite) cope with Tflush/Rflush. That sounds familiar: I was interrupting things, like new instances of telnet which had hung waiting for packets to come back. (This is over ppp, so I could see from the LEDs that there weren't any.) | dnsiplookup in ndb/cs might be a good place to start looking in your case, | but i'm just guessing. That's plausible, I agree. Once things got confused, starting a new telnet would induce the error message, and a name lookup is pretty much the first thing it does. | it depends what you were trying to do when you noticed that the routing | tables had changed ... Pretty much just trying to log in again. >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 05:24:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA25453 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 05:24:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from route1.france3.fr (route1.france3.fr [194.51.91.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA25446 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 05:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id LAA27276; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:23:16 GMT Received: by PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19223; Thu, 17 Oct 96 11:23:50 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:07:17 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: re: encrypt/decrypt not thread safe In-Reply-To: <199610160557.BAA06882@cse.psu.edu> Message-Id: <199610171107.8575.9.bagok@france3.fr> X-Utm: N 31 447109 5411310 La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk boyd might be able to offer a safe replacement that's not subject to pointless controls. you can certainly take my des from ftp://www.plan9.cs.su.oz.au/~boyd/des.msg but it's not thread safe. it assumes it's being called by a single threaded program. to fix it you need to have a per thread expanded key. all you need to do is to change deskey() to accept a parameter for where to store the expanded key , rather than storing it in a global static. not real hard. >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 05:27:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA25522 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 05:27:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from symbionics.co.uk (symbionics-gw.pipex.net [158.43.6.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA25518 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 05:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sympc267.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27908; Thu, 17 Oct 96 10:19:43 BST Message-Id: <9610170919.AA27908@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:18:43 +0100 Subject: Keeping the fileserver's clock straight Reply-To: ngr@symbionics.co.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans My fileserver's clock gained about 30 minutes this summer. Wandering around the attic (see http://www.cotswold.demon.co.uk/netpic.htm) to set the clock is a bit unpleasant. Any suggestions on how I keep it locked? I thought I saw a reference to bootes being set by NTP but now can't find it. In any case, my fileserver is not really connecvted to the net, so I'm thinking in terms of a Rubgy clock receiver. Given the recent multiple portings of Caml Light I thought I'd ask here first before attacking 9fs. Nigel Roles >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 07:15:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA25930 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:15:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25921 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:15:25 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:06:31 +0100 Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA18039 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:04:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610171104.MAA18039@sable.ox.ac.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:10:50 GMT Subject: Re: faking a plan9 network Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Russ Cox said: > I copied the il17007 > file and made it il17008. Even if I take the -a > out of the exportfs command line, I get authentication > errors from the 386 trying to boot, and it just > prints out the standard hex dump and hangs. The protocol for connecting to an exportfs (il17007) service is slightly different from the protocol for connecting to 9fs (il17008). It is possible for a Plan 9 terminal to use the kfs from another terminal (via exportfs) as its root, but a few changes are needed in /sys/src/9/boot to make the initial connection. I found that approach unsatisfactory, though: the client doesn't get proper authentication on its root (permissions are always wrt the userid it booted with), performance is not great because of the extra level of indirection, and the exportfs server tends to run out of resources. What I ended up doing was modifying kfs so that it listens on il17008 and serves (authenticated) 9fs remotely as well as serving the local root. With either approach, you still need an auth server (listening on il566) and a keyfs server (started at boot time). Both can run on a terminal with a local kfs (with judicious use of 'disk/kfscmd allow' while setting things up). -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 07:15:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA25929 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:15:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25924 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:15:27 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:07:26 +0100 Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA15530 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:06:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610171106.MAA15530@sable.ox.ac.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:56:07 GMT Subject: Re: ML Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk writes: > drat. we've both done that one. > that's why i've now taken to asking the list, first! OK, I take the hint. Have you also adapted camltk to use libpanel? Or (ahem) ported Tcl/Tk itself? -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 07:18:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA26030 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:18:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from trantor.cse.psu.edu (root@trantor.cse.psu.edu [130.203.3.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26026 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:18:32 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by trantor.cse.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05983 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610171118.HAA05983@trantor.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:03:22 GMT Subject: Re: mothra Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans plan9.cs.york.ac.uk!forsyth writes: > the approach followed by beto and others > of making the news reader a client of acme (cf. Mail) is better in many > ways. I find that con -l -r -C net!$newshost!nntp has a certain minimalist attraction, but an acme newsreader would be more convenient ... is there one available somewhere? -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 10:05:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28121 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:05:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28117 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:05:46 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610171405.KAA28117@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:49:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, ngr@symbionics.co.uk Subject: re: Keeping the fileserver's clock straight Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans fs used to call a clock server via datakit once every few (I think 3) hours. Datakit isn't exactly the most ubiquitous network though. What I've done lately with ours is to just have it check the time of day clock. Works well on our current boxes since the tod clocks don't seem to drift much. Here's the changes, such as they are. I'm not doing a boddle since there are some other changes in there that I don't know the origin of: in wormcopy() of main.c % diff main.c /n/juke/plan_9/sys/src/fs/port 305c305 < long nddate, ntoytime, t, dt; --- > long nddate, t, dt; 316,317d315 < ntoytime = time() + HOUR(1); < 330,342d327 < < if(t > ntoytime) { < dt = time() - rtctime(); < if(dt < 0) < dt = -dt; < if(dt > 10) < print("rtc time more than 10 secounds out\n"); < else < if(dt > 1) < settime(rtctime()); < ntoytime = time() + HOUR(1); < goto loop; < } in cmd_date() of con.c, set rtc in addition to normal time. % diff con.c /n/juke/plan_9/sys/src/fs/port 416,417d415 < setrtc(ct); < >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 10:52:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28696 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from route1.france3.fr (route1.france3.fr [194.51.91.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28687 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id QAA06282; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:51:54 GMT Received: by PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03921; Thu, 17 Oct 96 16:52:25 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:49:09 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, ngr@symbionics.co.uk Subject: re: Keeping the fileserver's clock straight In-Reply-To: <199610171405.KAA28117@cse.psu.edu> Message-Id: <199610171649.14933.9.baguv@france3.fr> X-Utm: N 31 447109 5411310 La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans bit of a typo in the spelling of seconds: < print("rtc time more than 10 secounds out\n"); >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 11:01:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28928 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:01:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from symbionics.co.uk (symbionics-gw.pipex.net [158.43.6.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28916 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sympc267.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29566; Thu, 17 Oct 96 15:57:06 BST Message-Id: <9610171457.AA29566@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" To: Boyd Roberts , 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:55:55 +0100 Subject: re: Keeping the fileserver's clock straight Reply-To: ngr@symbionics.co.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > bit of a typo in the spelling of seconds: > > print("rtc time more than 10 secounds out\n"); I like the one in the ftp server: 331 encrpyt challenge, 97124, as a password Nigel Roles >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 11:02:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28935 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:02:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28923 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:01:50 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610171501.LAA28923@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:56:13 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ncube has had problems with the fact that proc.c requires all Rendez structures to not be reallocatable, i.e., they can't exist on stacks or in objects that are freed. If anyone cares, I have a rewrite of sleep/wakeup that gets around that. The shipped kernel should be clean this way so that it shouldn't be a problem to anyone that hasn't been hacking hard. They also found a neat bug in pexit(). Move the unlock on line 691 to after the wakeup. Otherwise you can blow up indirecting through a null reference. p->nwait++; unlock(&p->exl); wakeup(&p->waitr); goes to p->nwait++; wakeup(&p->waitr); unlock(&p->exl); >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 11:08:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29105 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:08:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from route1.france3.fr (route1.france3.fr [194.51.91.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29101 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. by route1.france3.fr (8.7.1/SMI-4.1) id RAA06793; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:07:32 GMT Received: by PACIFIC.mdrf.france3.fr. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11752; Thu, 17 Oct 96 17:08:02 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:05:44 +0200 To: ngr@symbionics.co.uk, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: re: Keeping the fileserver's clock straight In-Reply-To: <9610171457.AA29566@symbionics.co.uk> Message-Id: <199610171705.15556.9.baguz@france3.fr> X-Utm: N 31 447109 5411310 La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans i like the code in the fs that says: 0x70, [I think] /* rob made me do it */ >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 17 17:09:02 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06348 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:09:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06344 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610172108.RAA06344@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:08:32 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I put the sleep/wakeup changed and the pexit fix from ncube in http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update/9/port/845586056.rc and http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update/9/port/845586092.rc these changes to pertain to everyone. >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 18 00:04:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10249 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:04:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.85]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10239 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jm@localhost) by tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA05673 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 04:58:12 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 04:58:12 +0100 (MET) From: Jean Mehat Message-Id: <199610180358.EAA05673@tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: unixsrc/bootp Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The bootp found in unixsrc dumps its core when debugging is enabled (on SunOs at least). More important, it cannot handle a vendor string long enough to contain my ip addresses. A quick patch follows. It might be useful to add a comment in bootptab specifying that the addresses in the vendor string are "netmask, file server, authentification server, router" in this order. The IP number that appear in the example bootptab are not very explanatory. diff bootp.bug/bootpd.h bootp.fix/bootpd.h 180c180 < byte vm_cookie[64], --- > byte vm_cookie[128], diff bootp.bug/bootp.h bootp.fix/bootp.h 42c42 < unsigned char bp_vend[64]; /* vendor-specific area */ --- > unsigned char bp_vend[128]; /* vendor-specific area */ diff bootp.bug/bootpd.c bootp.fix/bootpd.c 380c380 < report(LOG_ERR, "bind: %s\n", get_network_errmsg); --- > report(LOG_ERR, "bind: %s\n", get_network_errmsg()); 391c391 < report(LOG_ERR, "getsockname: %s\n", get_network_errmsg); --- > report(LOG_ERR, "getsockname: %s\n", get_network_errmsg()); 569c569 < report(LOG_INFO, "found %s %s\n", inet_ntoa(hp->iaddr.s_addr), --- > report(LOG_INFO, "found %s %s\n", "w.x.y.z" /* inet_ntoa(hp->iaddr.s_addr) */, 969c969 < fprintf(fp, "ip=%s:", inet_ntoa(hp->iaddr.s_addr)); --- > fprintf(fp, "ip=%s:", "w.x.y.z"/* inet_ntoa(hp->iaddr.s_addr)*/); 978c978 < fprintf(fp, "sm=%s:", inet_ntoa(hp->subnet_mask.s_addr)); --- > fprintf(fp, "sm=%s:", "w.x.y.z"/* inet_ntoa(hp->subnet_mask.s_addr)*/); -- >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 18 10:36:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15241 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:36:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15231 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:36:20 -0400 (EDT) From: rob@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610181436.KAA15231@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:36:55 -0400 Subject: /n/bootes/sys/src/cmd/cal.c:/feburary Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Russ Cox observes the embarrassment in the Subject line. The fix is obvious: s/feburary/february cpu% cal february cal: bad argument cpu% cal feburary February 1996 S M Tu W Th F S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 cpu% >From owner-9fans Sat Oct 19 07:41:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA25631 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 07:41:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25627 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 07:41:36 -0400 (EDT) From: ngr@cotswold.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199610191141.HAA25627@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:40:42 BST Subject: C-Kermit 6.0 for Plan 9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Yes, anything is possible. The forthcoming release includes a Plan 9 port. The executable (intel only at the mo) is currently to be found as ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/ckpker.plan9_i386 Comments, bug reports etc.. to me. Nigel Roles >From owner-9fans Sat Oct 19 07:56:38 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA25687 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 07:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (octarine-253.cc.adfa.oz.au [131.236.253.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25683 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 07:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02128 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 21:56:10 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199610191156.VAA02128@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au> X-Authentication-Warning: octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au Subject: PGP for Plan 9 Organization: Computer Science, University College, University of New South Wales, Canberra Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 21:56:10 +1000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've done a simple port of PGP 2.6.3ia to Plan 9. Is anyone interested? Or does someone have something more complete? -- Christopher >From owner-9fans Sat Oct 19 10:30:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26077 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:30:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26073 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:29:47 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: PGP for Plan 9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 19 Oct 1996 07:56:10 EDT." <199610191156.VAA02128@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:29:36 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Oct19.102947edt.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au writes: | I've done a simple port of PGP 2.6.3ia to Plan 9. Is anyone interested? | Or does someone have something more complete? I posted diffs for pgp last March, and also sent them to the gpg developers. >From owner-9fans Sat Oct 19 18:20:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27938 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 18:20:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27934 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 18:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610192220.SAA27934@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 23:31:53 BST Subject: Re: PGP for Plan 9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>I posted diffs for pgp last March, and also sent them to the gpg >>developers. christopher can make the whole distribution available, though, to people outside North America. >From owner-9fans Mon Oct 21 10:27:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA10988 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:27:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dirty.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10984 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.bell-labs.com by dirty; Mon Oct 21 10:26:40 EDT 1996 Received: from allegra.tempo.bell-labs.com by research; Mon Oct 21 10:25:16 EDT 1996 Received: from ode (ode.tempo.bell-labs.com) by allegra.tempo.bell-labs.com; id AA00651; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:25:16 EDT Received: by ode; id AA22091; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:25:15 EDT From: yoder@research.bell-labs.com (Richard Yoder) Message-Id: <9610211425.AA22091@ode> Subject: Multiple ethernet cards To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:25:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Can a Plan 9 PC being used as terminal or cpu server use 2 ethernet cards at the same time? Preferrably the cards would be the same type. I have a Plan9 PC that I've installed two 3Com cards in. The 3c509 driver sees both cards because I get a message for each card during boot giving the IRQs and ethernet addesses. However, I only have acces to one of the cards through /net/ether. After looking at the code, it appears that devether.c, the top level ethernet driver that serves /net/ether, is only designed to support one card. Has anyone updated the driver to support multiple cards, or is there some other way to access the second card? Thanks, Rick Yoder >From owner-9fans Mon Oct 21 11:46:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA12393 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:46:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from trantor.cse.psu.edu (root@trantor.cse.psu.edu [130.203.3.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12389 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postman.ncube.com (postman.ncube.com [134.242.8.47]) by trantor.cse.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09903 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garcon.ncube.com by postman.ncube.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA04071; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:40:17 -0700 Received: from pejs by garcon.ncube.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05089; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:35:16 -0700 Message-Id: <326B9907.41C67EA6@ncube.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:38:47 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger Organization: nCUBE X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4c) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Multiple ethernet cards References: <9610211425.AA22091@ode> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The support for multiple ether cards is not complete in the stock plan9 system. ip/ipconfig, devether and stip need some work. >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 22 21:36:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA07860 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:36:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mime.univ-paris8.fr (tmp.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.100]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07856 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:35:59 -0400 (EDT) From: jm@mime.univ-paris8.fr Message-Id: <199610230135.VAA07856@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 02:17:58 +0000 Subject: problem with compose key on sun keyboard (+ fix) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans There is a bug in /sys/src/9/ss/screen.c : the compose key acts like a repeat key ; it is a problem for me, when I am trying to find the accent on my keyboard: the previous key is repeated. A simple fix is to move the kbdrepeat(1) in the kbdstate function in /sys/src/9/ss/screen.c, for example to : if(ch == 0xB6){ /* Compose */ kbdrepeat(0); collecting = 1; nk = 0; }else{ repeatc = ch; kbdrepeat(1); Or was it a feature? >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 23 09:11:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA11919 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:11:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (mail.border.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11915 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by janus.border.com id <18436-1>; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:09:24 -0400 Message-Id: <96Oct23.090924edt.18436-1@janus.border.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: patents? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:10:59 -0400 From: "ozan s. yigit" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans from inferno paperwork: > LUCENT hereby grants to you an immunity from suit under LUCENT's present > patents ... can someone summarize lucent's existing patents that cover parts of plan9 and/or inferno? thanks. oz --- humpty-dumpty was pushed. | electric: oz@border.com - anonymous | or [416] 368 0074 x 294 >From owner-9fans Wed Oct 23 10:42:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13178 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:42:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13173 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: rob@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610231442.KAA13173@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:43:04 -0400 Subject: Re: problem with compose key on sun keyboard (+ fix) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The compose key certainly works on some versions of Sparcstations. In my experience, though, the keyboards are not all the same. I'd like some more information or at least corroboration before recommending this change wholesale. -rob >From owner-9fans Thu Oct 24 04:37:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA26986 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:37:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mime.univ-paris8.fr (tmp.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.100]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA26982 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: jm@mime.univ-paris8.fr Message-Id: <199610240837.EAA26982@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:48:25 +0000 Subject: Re: problem with compose key on sun keyboard (+ fix) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Rob Pike can be suspicious, it's my use of the keyboard that was bugged. Until today, I used the Compose (on sun) or Alt (on pc) like a Control or Shift key, keeping it pressed while typing 1 and 2 to get ½, for example. Nevertheless, if one keeps Compose pressed (on a SLC at least), it repeats the last typed character. >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 25 02:04:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA12928 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 02:04:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nol.net (photon@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA12924 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 02:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (photon@localhost) by nol.net (8.8.2/NOL - 8.*) with SMTP id BAA16379 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 01:03:23 -0500 (CDT) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 01:03:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Brandon Black To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Installing a Plan 9 PC network... some probs... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Well.... I have beat my head against the wall long enough (several hours) trying to get plan 9 going on my own.. but I think I'm gonna need a little help before I get it right... I pretty much installed per the instructions for Installing Plan 9 from the Documents book... quick synopsis: Made fileserver boot disk, slammed cdrom stuff into fileserver's scsi disk. "Made this PC an authentication server" and did the little dance (exactly per the book, except for userid's + passwords) for setting up the authid, etc... on the fileserver and the authserver. Then I also added a normal user on the file and auth servers, and added a terminal entry to /lib/ndb/local. I was able to log into my terminal as my normal username just fine, and everything on all three machines was going pretty ok. At this point I can reboot the cpu/auth server and the terminal with no problems or errors, but a question arises regarding the cpu server's booting up: <1> The book says "Later convert the cpu server to boot from a local disk" Someone please explain the concept and/or process involved here, which I assume leads to _not_ having to boot DOS to load the cpu kernel, and/or provides some convenient way to store the IP addresses so that booting can be a little more automatic..... Other than the inconvenience of the cpu server bootup process, I was going fine.. so I tried rebooting the file server (and everything else)... the file server came up fine, but the cpu server complained something close to: Can't connect to auth server: no method for accessing file. I was still typing in the IP info on the cpu server's bootup as before, including setting the auth server to 0.0.0.0. After redoing this process a few times, I narrowed down the cause: Everything works fine if I put the fileserverin "allow" mode, but If I boot the file server normally ("secure mode"?) thats when the cpu server panics on bootup with the message above. Any answers, pointers, clues, trails, or large moentary donations would be appreciated. Brandon .............................................. : Brandon Lee Black : photon@gnu.ai.mit.edu : :....................: photon@nol.net : : "Sanity is the : photon@vanity.ops.org : : trademark of a : vis_blb@unx1.shsu.edu : : weak mind. . ." : +1 713 397 3490 : :....................:.......................: >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 25 07:22:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA14330 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:22:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from postman.osf.org (postman.osf.org [130.105.1.152]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14326 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sulphur.osf.org (sulphur.osf.org [130.105.1.123]) by postman.osf.org (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09250 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Salz Received: by sulphur.osf.org (1.38.193.4/4.7) id AA03523; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:20:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:20:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9610251120.AA03523@sulphur.osf.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Mothra screendumps? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Can anyone make a few screendumps so we can see what mothra looks like? tnx. >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 25 10:06:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15929 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:06:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gw1.cat.com (gw1.cat.com [198.88.56.100]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15905 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gw1.cat.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA015042310; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:05:10 -0500 Received: from radar.corp.cat.com(137.230.143.100) by gw1.cat.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001452; Fri Oct 25 09:04:05 1996 Received: by radar.corp.cat.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA050612243; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:04:03 -0500 To: comp-os-plan9@moderators.uu.net Path: usenet From: "David A. Paul" Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 Subject: Re: Installing a Plan 9 PC network... some probs... Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:04:09 -0500 Organization: CATERPILLAR INC. Lines: 50 Message-Id: <3270C8D9.862@cat.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: harpo.tc.cat.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; U; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/715) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Sounds like you have many problems like I had. > > I pretty much installed per the instructions for Installing Plan 9 from > the Documents book... quick synopsis: Make sure to follow the web site instructions, not the book. Especially don't follow both; intermixing instructions will result in chaos. > > At this point I can reboot the cpu/auth server and the terminal with > no problems or errors, but a question arises regarding the cpu server's > booting up: > > <1> The book says "Later convert the cpu server to boot from a local disk" > Someone please explain the concept and/or process involved here, which > I assume leads to _not_ having to boot DOS to load the cpu kernel, and/or > provides some convenient way to store the IP addresses so that booting > can be a little more automatic..... I wanted to boot from a floppy and have the cpu server be diskless. However, I an extra IDE disk to install the cpu kernel. I hardly ever shut this server down. > > Other than the inconvenience of the cpu server bootup process, I was going > fine.. so I tried rebooting the file server (and everything else)... > the file server came up fine, but the cpu server complained something > close to: > Can't connect to auth server: no method for accessing file. > > I was still typing in the IP info on the cpu server's bootup as before, > including setting the auth server to 0.0.0.0. If you notice on the web site instructions: "You are now faced with a chicken an eggproblem. When you are asked for the IP address of the authentication server, type this system's IP address. Since it won't be able to connect to itself, it will eventually give up and assume that its authid/key pair is the same as the file server's when authenticating with the file server." Not 0.0.0.0 Good luck. :-) >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 25 10:06:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15927 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:06:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gw1.cat.com (gw1.cat.com [198.88.56.100]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15907 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gw1.cat.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA015062310; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:05:10 -0500 Received: from harpo.tc.cat.com(137.230.32.37) by gw1.cat.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001453; Fri Oct 25 09:04:06 1996 Received: from localhost by harpo with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA244392254; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:04:14 -0500 Message-Id: <3270C8D9.862@cat.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:04:09 -0500 From: "David A. Paul" Organization: CATERPILLAR INC. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; U; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Installing a Plan 9 PC network... some probs... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Sounds like you have many problems like I had. > > I pretty much installed per the instructions for Installing Plan 9 from > the Documents book... quick synopsis: Make sure to follow the web site instructions, not the book. Especially don't follow both; intermixing instructions will result in chaos. > > At this point I can reboot the cpu/auth server and the terminal with > no problems or errors, but a question arises regarding the cpu server's > booting up: > > <1> The book says "Later convert the cpu server to boot from a local disk" > Someone please explain the concept and/or process involved here, which > I assume leads to _not_ having to boot DOS to load the cpu kernel, and/or > provides some convenient way to store the IP addresses so that booting > can be a little more automatic..... I wanted to boot from a floppy and have the cpu server be diskless. However, I an extra IDE disk to install the cpu kernel. I hardly ever shut this server down. > > Other than the inconvenience of the cpu server bootup process, I was going > fine.. so I tried rebooting the file server (and everything else)... > the file server came up fine, but the cpu server complained something > close to: > Can't connect to auth server: no method for accessing file. > > I was still typing in the IP info on the cpu server's bootup as before, > including setting the auth server to 0.0.0.0. If you notice on the web site instructions: "You are now faced with a chicken an eggproblem. When you are asked for the IP address of the authentication server, type this system's IP address. Since it won't be able to connect to itself, it will eventually give up and assume that its authid/key pair is the same as the file server's when authenticating with the file server." Not 0.0.0.0 Good luck. :-) >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 25 10:32:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16478 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:32:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16474 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:31:57 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199610251431.KAA16474@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:38:35 BST Subject: Re: Installing a Plan 9 PC network... some probs... Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans today's topical tip from: try 0.1.0.0 instead of 0.0.0.0 (which won't work) or the cpu/auth server's own address (which will work, but takes a little while to time out). 0.1.0.0 does what 0.0.0.0 would do if it worked (which it doesn't) >From owner-9fans Fri Oct 25 23:42:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25839 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:42:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA25835 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199610260342.XAA25835@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:42:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Licensing plan9 on MP machines Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I am looking into the possibility of porting plan9 to an MP machine and am wondering what the licensing issues are for parallel machines. Do they count as a single machine or does each CPU require a license? It counts as a single machine. According to the FAQ, Brazil supports dual-processor Pentiums where does Pentium Pro (P6) support stand? The machine in question is a hybrid SMP-MP design -- each node is a two-way P6 with shared memory, but the nodes are connected via a message passing mesh. The x86 multiprocessor code runs on Pentium or Pentium Pro systems which conform to the Intel Multiprocessor Specification, there were no changes required for the Pentium Pro. There's about 1000 lines of code, most of it is concerned with parsing the configuration table created by the BIOS. A small number of changes were made to the base x86 code - some mmu data structures were made per-processor and some locks were added to some device drivers where uniprocessor operation had been assumed. The only change in the port code was changing 6 references of 'm->' to 'MACHP(m->machno)->' in proc.c as the nature of the x86 mmu required 'm' to be a fixed virtual address. >From owner-9fans Tue Oct 29 17:25:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA05316 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:25:21 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from or.mime.univ-paris8.fr (or.mime.univ-paris8.fr [193.54.153.27]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05312 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bl@localhost) by or.mime.univ-paris8.fr (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA28015; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:24:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:24:42 +0100 (MET) From: Bodet Laurent To: plan9 mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: bug in dossrv need help... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, There is a problem with the the field vers of the Qid struct. The server never touch this field... This cause a bug when you try to excute a binary that you had already executed and modified. I think it's because the kernel caches text segments (function attachimage() in segment.c call from sysexec()). It compares the qid struct of existing images and the qid of new binary. So, if the vers field didn't change after a modification the old image is used and in many case crash the execution. I have no good ideas to fix this problem : 1) Create a Qid table in wich we increment the field versions of the modified file... and what happen when the table is full ??? 2) Do something like : static long version; . . . void rwalk(){ ... f->qid.vers = ++version; ... } This disable the kernel cache !!!! 3) Use the modification time of the file for qid.vers. But what happen if the modification is done in less than 1 second ? Any better ideas are welcome ... Thanks Bodet Laurent. E-Mail: bl@mime.univ-paris8.fr