>From owner-9fans Sun Dec 1 09:30:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13997 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 09:30:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.85]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13993 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 09:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:22:21 +0100 (MET) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA11560 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:24:53 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:24:53 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612011424.PAA11560@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans What do you, plan9 experts, think of running a large Web site on a plan9 network of machines ? The site is www.mygale.org, it contains approximately 2000 accounts. Currently, it runs on a Sparc with NetBsd. How much work do you think is it to make things run smoothly? What impact on performances? How enforce the 5Mbytes per user quota? What about the plan9 mail delivery system? >From owner-9fans Sun Dec 1 11:24:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14541 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 11:24:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14537 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 11:24:22 -0500 (EST) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199612011624.LAA14537@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 11:09:09 -0500 To: jm@ai.univ-paris8.fr cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans We're running our web sites (plan9.bell-labs.com and inferno.lucent.com) on Brazil, the internal version of Plan 9. Sean Dorward wrote the code here. We haven't done anything that shouldn't run on the released version. We should be able to give you the current versions of the http daemon, dns, and mailer if you have a plan 9 license. We don't have disk quota's, ken just yells at anyone that hogs the jukebox. You'll have to change the file system to support them. Alternately, you could have a daemon that sweeps the system enforcing after the fact or hire ken. Both of our servers are PC's. The more active is a 60 MHZ pentium. It averages about 10000 hits a day without a noticable load. I have no idea what it takes to support 2000 users. What would you need for mail? We don't support POP3 though it'ld be trivial to give the mailer a POP3 interface, i.e., it's not that different than the interactive one. ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Sun Dec 1 09:51:32 EST 1996 Received: from cse.psu.edu by plan9; Sun Dec 1 09:51:32 EST 1996 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14030; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 09:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 1 Dec 1996 09:30:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13997 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 09:30:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.85]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13993 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 09:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:22:21 +0100 (MET) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA11560 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:24:53 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:24:53 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612011424.PAA11560@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Sender: cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Reply-To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Precedence: bulk What do you, plan9 experts, think of running a large Web site on a plan9 network of machines ? The site is www.mygale.org, it contains approximately 2000 accounts. Currently, it runs on a Sparc with NetBsd. How much work do you think is it to make things run smoothly? What impact on performances? How enforce the 5Mbytes per user quota? What about the plan9 mail delivery system? >From owner-9fans Sun Dec 1 11:59:19 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14812 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 11:59:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14808 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 11:59:13 -0500 (EST) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199612011659.LAA14808@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 17:04:21 GMT Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans i've got a pop3 implementation i can (will) give him. it's smaller than the bsd one, but still too much for such a simple protocol. >From owner-9fans Sun Dec 1 15:57:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16111 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mako.northsea.com (qmailr@mako.northsea.com [206.65.69.92]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16107 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20187 invoked by uid 100); 1 Dec 1996 20:56:20 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: none References: <199612011659.LAA14808@cse.psu.edu> Organization: North Sea, Ltd. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5B 75 89 9C 86 E9 99 4F AB 26 91 F8 55 C9 F7 1E Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v4.01 From: Stan Norton Date: 01 Dec 1996 15:56:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk's message of Sun, 1 Dec 1996 17:04:21 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk writes: > > i've got a pop3 implementation i can (will) give him. > it's smaller than the bsd one, but still too much for such > a simple protocol. has imap been implemented? >From owner-9fans Sun Dec 1 21:31:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18840 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 21:31:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA18836 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 21:31:40 -0500 (EST) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199612020231.VAA18836@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:36:12 GMT Subject: Re: none Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans i'm afraid i'd prefer to die first, so i'm unlikely to implement it. pop3 is `yet another protocol that would not be needed if people used a (any) reasonable file service protocol', but at least it's small. imap is ludicrous. #C/cmd points to a simpler yet more general approach. imap is a good example of `every protocol its own, disjoint operating system'. ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Sun Dec 1 21:19:28 GMT 1996 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16129; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:57:58 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16111 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mako.northsea.com (qmailr@mako.northsea.com [206.65.69.92]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16107 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20187 invoked by uid 100); 1 Dec 1996 20:56:20 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: none References: <199612011659.LAA14808@cse.psu.edu> Organization: North Sea, Ltd. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5B 75 89 9C 86 E9 99 4F AB 26 91 F8 55 C9 F7 1E Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v4.01 From: Stan Norton Date: 01 Dec 1996 15:56:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk's message of Sun, 1 Dec 1996 17:04:21 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk writes: > > i've got a pop3 implementation i can (will) give him. > it's smaller than the bsd one, but still too much for such > a simple protocol. has imap been implemented? >From owner-9fans Sun Dec 1 22:28:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA19360 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:28:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA19356 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12684>; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:25:59 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: none In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Dec 1996 21:36:12 EST." <199612020231.VAA18836@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:25:48 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Dec1.222559est.12684@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk writes: | i'm afraid i'd prefer to die first, so i'm unlikely to implement it. | pop3 is `yet another protocol that would not be needed if people used a (any) | reasonable file service protocol', but at least it's small. There remains the matter of a recovery protocol. Plan 9 handles a server crash by requiring the client to reboot [:-(]. Brazil is said to have a recovery protocol. What does Inferno do? (My copy of the documentation is hundreds of miles away at the moment.) >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 2 05:33:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA22629 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 05:33:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22625 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 05:33:09 -0500 (EST) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199612021033.FAA22625@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 14:09:21 GMT Subject: re: 3-button mice and clearing dtr Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans If your mouse is like mine, and reverts to 2-button behaviour if dtr is reasserted, you'll find that the suggestion from forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk: > change aux/mouse.c > > add a timedwrite(ctl, "d0", 2) doesn't do the trick. aux/mouse finishes by writing a "serial ..." command to /dev/mousectl, which causes the kernel to raise dtr and then lock the serial port so it can't be changed again. A sensible solution would probably require adding a new parameter to aux/mouse, and to routines serialmouse() and uartspecial() in the kernel. Or buying a proper three-button mouse. A quicker and dirtier way is: 1. Insert at the end of uartspecial() in /sys/src/9/pc/devuart.c: { char *p; if (iq == &mouseq && (p = getconf("mousedtr"))) uartdtr(up, strtoul(p, 0, 0)); } and rebuild the kernel. 2. Insert into the plan9.ini configuration file the line mousedtr=0 3. In the /bin/termrc shell script, replace the line aux/mouse $mouseport with echo serial$mouseport >'#b/mousectl' This works for me. -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 2 08:02:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA23394 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:02:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23390 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:02:28 -0500 (EST) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199612021302.IAA23390@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:03:57 GMT Subject: Re: none Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>There remains the matter of a recovery protocol. Plan 9 handles a >>server crash by requiring the client to reboot [:-(]. Brazil is said to pop3 and similar internet protocols, such as smtp, nntp, http, etc, already fail (disconnect) when the server or network fails, so using a file service protocol with similar properties makes no difference. just out of interest, why is your server crashing so often? >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 2 10:19:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24845 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:19:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (borderware.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24841 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by janus.border.com id <30787-1>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:17:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:17:35 -0500 From: steve@border.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-Id: <96Dec2.101717est.30787-1@janus.border.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: X11 for Plan 9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The Druid wrote: > While reading the man pages for the POSIX c compiler provided with Plan 9 > I came across a reference that said Bell labs had ported X11 to Plan 9. > Does anyone know where I can download this port as they didn't release it > with the main distribution ? It is not available. >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 2 10:46:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25229 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:46:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from symbionics.co.uk (symbionics-gw.pipex.net [158.43.6.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25225 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sympc267.symbionics.co.uk ([194.32.100.12]) by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15443; Mon, 2 Dec 96 15:44:14 GMT Message-Id: <9612021544.AA15443@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:41:20 +0100 Subject: ISDN Reply-To: ngr@symbionics.co.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I had assumed that the biggest battle in installing ISDN in the UK was going to be persuading BT to do it, and writing the cheque afterwards. Not so. Selecting a decent PC card and getting the technical details for it seems to be the problem at the moment. Anyone out there got any experience/suggestions to pass on? There's a Plan 9 driver in it. I'm looking for 1. A PC card, preferably PCI but ISA will do. 2. From a manufacturer who will give/sell me a technical manual 3. With a EuroISDN stack and optionally 4. An on-board V34 modem. The only card which fits this so far is a thing called an Elsa PCF/Pro, but I have great doubts that I could get a manual. Nigel Roles >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 2 12:55:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27349 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:55:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27345 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199612021755.MAA27345@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:41:56 -0500 subject: better dns Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Our current dns is now in {ftp|http}://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update/ndb. The file ndb.tar.xor is a tar of the directory /sys/src/cmd/ndb xor'd with the file /68020/9gnot from the sold CD. The files v.xor 8.xor k.xor 2.xor are programs that will xor 2 files. To recover the original tar file on a 386: 8.xor ndb.tar.xor /68020/9gnot Its hokey but it should work as long as none of the people that bought the CD don't post the /68020/9gnot file. This dns makes a much better server than the old one did. It caches all the local info in the program's address space when running as a server. Oodles of bugs are gone. The dnstcp program answers zone transfer requests. This program is currently what is serving the bell-las.com domain. Included is also a dnsdebug program that helps debug dns problems. The interface is the same as dnsquery except that lines starting with @ redirect the query to that server, e.g. @achille.cs.bell-labs.com boofhead.com mx will ask achille.cs.bell-labs.com for an mx record for boofhead.com. Complaints to me. >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 2 13:10:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27594 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:10:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from postman.osf.org (postman.osf.org [130.105.1.152]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27588 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from sulphur.osf.org (sulphur.osf.org [130.105.1.123]) by postman.osf.org (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:08:01 -0500 (EST) From: Rich Salz Received: by sulphur.osf.org (1.38.193.4/4.7) id AA01682; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:06:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:06:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9612021806.AA01682@sulphur.osf.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: better dns Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > 8.xor ndb.tar.xor /68020/9gnot hahahah >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 2 15:10:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29760 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:10:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nol.net (photon@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29753 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (photon@localhost) by nol.net (8.8.3/NOL - 8.*) with SMTP id OAA28789; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:08:46 -0600 (CST) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:08:46 -0600 (CST) From: Brandon Black To: ngr@symbionics.co.uk, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: ISDN In-Reply-To: <9612021544.AA15443@symbionics.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I would recommend getting an ISDN<->Ethernet Router, since plan 9 supports ethernet already. In the US, an Ascend Pipline 25/50/75 would do the trick, although I'm not aware of their status on EuroISDN... I would assume they make a EuroISDN product tho... ................................. .............. : Brandon Lee Black : [Office] :.............: [Personal] :.... :....................: brandon.black@wcom.com : photon@nol.net :....... : "Sanity is the : +1.281.362.6466 .......: photon@gnu.ai.mit.edu : : trademark of a :.................:..../\: vis_blb@unx1.shsu.edu : : weak mind. . ." : LDDS WorldCom, Inc. :\/: +1.281.397.3490 ......: :....................:.....................:..:.................: On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Nigel Roles wrote: > I had assumed that the biggest battle in installing ISDN in the UK > was going to be persuading BT to do it, and writing the cheque > afterwards. > > Not so. Selecting a decent PC card and getting the technical details > for it seems to be the problem at the moment. > > Anyone out there got any experience/suggestions to pass on? There's a > Plan 9 driver in it. > > I'm looking for > > 1. A PC card, preferably PCI but ISA will do. > 2. From a manufacturer who will give/sell me a technical manual > 3. With a EuroISDN stack > > and optionally > > 4. An on-board V34 modem. > > The only card which fits this so far is a thing called an Elsa > PCF/Pro, but I have great doubts that I could get a manual. > > > Nigel Roles > >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 2 16:21:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01212 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:21:42 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es (sol.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.42]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01204 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sirius.we.lc.ehu.es by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12886; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:31:03 +0100 From: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es (Borja Marcos) Message-Id: <9612021131.AA12886@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: 3-button mice and clearing dtr To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:38:18 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199612021033.FAA22625@cse.psu.edu> from "miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk" at Dec 1, 96 02:09:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > If your mouse is like mine, and reverts to 2-button behaviour > if dtr is reasserted, you'll find that the suggestion from > forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk: > > > change aux/mouse.c > > > > add a timedwrite(ctl, "d0", 2) > > doesn't do the trick. aux/mouse finishes by writing a "serial ..." > command to /dev/mousectl, which causes the kernel to raise dtr > and then lock the serial port so it can't be changed again. > > A sensible solution would probably require adding a new parameter > to aux/mouse, and to routines serialmouse() and uartspecial() in the > kernel. Or buying a proper three-button mouse. You an also adopt the bloody, hardware-based solution :-) Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjam@well.com 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * CompuServe: 100015,3502 SPAIN * *********************************************************************** (c)1995 by the author. This message cannot be transferred to the Microsoft(tm) Network. >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 2 19:51:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04141 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:51:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA04133 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12685>; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:49:12 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: none In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Dec 1996 08:03:57 EST." <199612021302.IAA23390@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:49:05 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <96Dec2.194912est.12685@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk writes: | just out of interest, why is your server crashing so often? i didn't say "often". but it does happen once in a while. >From owner-9fans Tue Dec 3 05:17:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA10647 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 05:17:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from symbionics.co.uk (symbionics-gw.pipex.net [158.43.6.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10643 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 05:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from sympc150.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20066; Tue, 3 Dec 96 10:14:28 GMT Message-Id: <9612031014.AA20066@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Johnston" Organization: Symbionics Ltd. To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:08:54 +0000 Subject: Re: 3-button mice and clearing dtr Reply-To: dj@symbionics.co.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Stuff about dtr controlled mouses... > ... > > > > A sensible solution would probably require adding a new parameter > > to aux/mouse, and to routines serialmouse() and uartspecial() in the > > kernel. Or buying a proper three-button mouse. > > You an also adopt the bloody, hardware-based solution :-) > > Borja. > Been there, done that. I added uartdtrmouse() in place of uartspecial(), added a message to tell aux/mouse it's a dtr mouse and ripped the guts out of aux/mouse so it doesn't faf around trying to work out what sort of mouse it's got. If anyone's interested, I can wrap it up and send it as a Christmas pressie to 9fans. DJ >From owner-9fans Tue Dec 3 05:19:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA10676 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 05:19:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from symsun1.symbionics.co.uk (symsun1.symbionics.co.uk [194.32.100.57]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10666 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 05:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sympc150.symbionics.co.uk by symsun1.symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29546; Tue, 3 Dec 96 10:15:49 GMT Message-Id: <9612031015.AA29546@symsun1.symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Johnston" Organization: Symbionics Ltd. To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:10:18 +0000 Subject: Re: 3-button mice and clearing dtr Reply-To: dj@symbionics.co.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Stuff about dtr controlled mouses... > ... > > > > A sensible solution would probably require adding a new parameter > > to aux/mouse, and to routines serialmouse() and uartspecial() in the > > kernel. Or buying a proper three-button mouse. > > You an also adopt the bloody, hardware-based solution :-) > > Borja. > Been there, done that. I added uartdtrmouse() in place of uartspecial(), added a message to tell aux/mouse it's a dtr mouse and ripped the guts out of aux/mouse so it doesn't faf around trying to work out what sort of mouse it's got. If anyone's interested, I can wrap it up and send it as a Christmas pressie to 9fans. DJ >From owner-9fans Tue Dec 3 07:44:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11333 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 07:44:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11329 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 07:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199612031244.HAA11329@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:32:41 GMT Subject: Re: 3-button mice and clearing dtr Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans An even simpler way to initialise a dtr-switchable mouse is to replace the aux/mouse command in /bin/termrc with { echo serial$mouseport >'#b/mousectl'; echo d0 } >/dev/eia$mouseport^ctl The bad news is that this causes the kernel to panic. (Don't try this at home.) The good news is that the panic can be averted by a one-line change to uartspecial() in /sys/src/9/pc/devuart.c: 602c602 < up->oq = oq; --- > if (oq) up->oq = oq; -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Tue Dec 3 13:02:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16426 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:02:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk (ganymede.cegelecproj.co.uk [159.245.72.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16418 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24830; Tue, 3 Dec 96 18:00:00 GMT Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA15683; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:59:48 GMT Received: by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA07070; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:59:47 GMT Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:59:47 GMT From: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk Message-Id: <199612031759.RAA07070@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Planation: X-Faces images can be viewed with the XFaces program To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: 3-button mice and clearing dtr X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans On the subject of mice in general, does anyone make an optical mouse for PCs? Being used to a Sun at work means that whenever I'm trying to B2-click on a command (in Wily, as it happens), the button-press moves my home mouse slightly, resulting in a non-null selection. >From owner-9fans Wed Dec 4 11:37:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03565 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:37:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.4]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03557 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.34.63]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA19280 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:34:36 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 12:33:04 +0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Subject: plan9 on Indy 4400?? Message-ID: <19961204163433.AAA19280@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Any opinions/experience/plans on porting P9 to an Silicon Graphics R4400? Tom West >From owner-9fans Thu Dec 5 02:40:16 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA16997 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:40:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dirty.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16993 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:40:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199612050740.CAA16993@cse.psu.edu> Received: from research.bell-labs.com by dirty; Thu Dec 5 02:38:36 EST 1996 Received: from rice by research; Thu Dec 5 02:38:04 EST 1996 Received: by rice; Thu Dec 5 02:37 EST 1996 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu cc: ngr@symbionics.co.uk Subject: Re: ISDN In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 02 Dec 1996 14:08:46 -0600. Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 02:37:41 -0500 From: Geoff Collyer Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Two cautions: when I last tried it, about a year ago, an Ascend Pipeline 50 talking to a Combinet CB-900 PRI interface got IL checksum errors that do not appear when both ends are Combinet boxes. I think it's a bug in Van-Jacobson header compression. Also, a Pipeline 50 talking to a CB-900 reproducibly but gradually corrupted and crashed the CB-900. Both of these bugs could be fixed by now; the local ISDN support folks haven't encouraged me to find out. :-) >From owner-9fans Thu Dec 5 09:52:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA19957 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:52:51 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from utstat.toronto.edu (utstat.toronto.edu [128.100.73.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19953 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:52:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199612051452.JAA19953@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: ISDN To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:50:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Tom Glinos, x4302" In-Reply-To: <199612050740.CAA16993@cse.psu.edu> from "Geoff Collyer" at Dec 5, 96 02:37:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Two cautions: when I last tried it, about a year ago, an Ascend >Pipeline 50 talking to a Combinet CB-900 PRI interface got >IL checksum errors that do not appear when both ends are Combinet >boxes. I think it's a bug in Van-Jacobson header compression. >Also, a Pipeline 50 talking to a CB-900 reproducibly but gradually >corrupted and crashed the CB-900. Both of these bugs could be >fixed by now; the local ISDN support folks haven't encouraged me >to find out. :-) Might want to grab the latest P50 binaries from Ascend. I'll probably do same during Christmas. -- ================= The hardest thing to see | Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics is the way things REALLY are. | tg@utstat.toronto.edu >From owner-9fans Thu Dec 5 10:22:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA20483 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:22:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from symbionics.co.uk (symbionics-gw.pipex.net [158.43.6.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20476 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sympc267.symbionics.co.uk ([194.32.100.12]) by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02921; Thu, 5 Dec 96 15:19:49 GMT Message-Id: <9612051519.AA02921@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:16:47 +0100 Subject: Re: ISDN Reply-To: ngr@symbionics.co.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Nice though they are, a Pipeline 50 is a bit too expensive for my home network. In fact the Pipeline 25-Px is too pricey, but a really neat product. > >Two cautions: when I last tried it, about a year ago, an Ascend > >Pipeline 50 talking to a Combinet CB-900 PRI interface got > >IL checksum errors that do not appear when both ends are Combinet > >boxes. I think it's a bug in Van-Jacobson header compression. > >Also, a Pipeline 50 talking to a CB-900 reproducibly but gradually > >corrupted and crashed the CB-900. Both of these bugs could be > >fixed by now; the local ISDN support folks haven't encouraged me > >to find out. :-) > > Might want to grab the latest P50 binaries from Ascend. > I'll probably do same during Christmas. > Nigel Roles >From owner-9fans Thu Dec 5 15:16:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA26496 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:16:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (borderware.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26475 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by janus.border.com id <30906-1>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:10:40 -0500 Message-Id: <96Dec5.151040est.30906-1@janus.border.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu cc: steve@border.com Subject: Re: plan9 on Indy 4400?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Dec 1996 07:33:04 EST." <19961204163433.AAA19280@LOCALNAME> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:10:40 -0500 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Any opinions/experience/plans on porting P9 to an Silicon Graphics R4400? I'm not sure Steve Kotsopoulos has a preliminary SGI Indy R4000 port, available from ftp://ftp.ecf.toronto.edu/pub/plan9/steve/indy.bod Bug reports welcome at steve@ecf.toronto.edu Charles Forsyth has found that the Indy R4600 will require more extensive changes. >From owner-9fans Thu Dec 5 15:22:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA26698 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:22:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (borderware.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26676 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by janus.border.com id <30906-2>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:17:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:18:04 -0500 From: steve@border.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-Id: <96Dec5.151736est.30906-2@janus.border.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: plan9 on Indy 4400?? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Sorry, my previous reply got out before I was finished editing it. Thomas West wrote: > Any opinions/experience/plans on porting P9 to an Silicon Graphics R4400? A preliminary Indy R4000 port is available from ftp://ftp.ecf.toronto.edu/pub/plan9/steve/indy.bod I no longer have access to the hardware so I can't work on it any more but people are using it. I may be able to help you debug problems. Charles Forsyth has found that the Indy R4600 will require more extensive changes. I'm not sure if an R4400 more closely resembles an R4000 or an R4600. Give it a try and let us know what happens. >From owner-9fans Fri Dec 6 04:05:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA05021 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 04:05:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from davids.psyberlink.net (davids.psyberlink.net [205.241.30.251]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA05007 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 04:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by davids.psyberlink.net (8.7/8.6.9) id DAA27519; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 03:11:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 03:11:57 -0600 From: David Semon Message-Id: <199612060911.DAA27519@davids.psyberlink.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: 3-button mice and clearing dtr In-Reply-To: <199612031759.RAA07070@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> Reply-To: semon@comp.tamu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <199612031759.RAA07070@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk>, you wrote: >On the subject of mice in general, does anyone make an >optical mouse for PCs? Being used to a Sun at work means >that whenever I'm trying to B2-click on a command (in >Wily, as it happens), the button-press moves my home mouse >slightly, resulting in a non-null selection. I don't know about current models, but I've gone out and hunted down some old mouse systems optical mice. The ones I've found have all been of the 3 button variety and some places will practically give them to you if you can find them. -- davids@davids.psyberlink.net Steinberger: State of the Instrument >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 9 12:29:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14927 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:29:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14920 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:29:49 -0500 (EST) From: rob@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199612091729.MAA14920@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:25:38 -0500 Subject: Re: 3-button mice and clearing dtr Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The best way to adjust if your mouse at work is a Sun optical mouse is to replace the mouse at work. Logitech, and I'm sure others, make Sun-compatible mice that don't hurt your hand. -rob >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 9 19:03:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA21987 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:03:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from murrow.prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21977 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from skipt.prognet.com (one119.prognet.com) by murrow.prognet.com with SMTP id AA23376 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:01:05 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961210000118.0072f1e4@mail.prognet.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.prognet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 16:01:18 -0800 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Fariborz \"Skip\" Tavakkolian" Subject: Inferno, Limbo run-time Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans How much information does Limbo keep about ADTs? It there enough to allow an instance of an ATD to migrate (from one Dis to another)? >From owner-9fans Sun Dec 15 00:02:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA17458 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 15 Dec 1996 00:02:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (borderware.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17452 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Dec 1996 00:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by janus.border.com id <30790-2>; Sun, 15 Dec 1996 00:00:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 00:01:00 -0500 From: steve@border.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-Id: <96Dec15.000047est.30790-2@janus.border.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Content-Type: text Apparently-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html >From owner-9fans Wed Dec 18 14:08:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19967 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:08:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from arf.cisco.com ([206.214.167.251]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19954 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:08:32 -0500 (EST) From: tab@cisco.com Message-Id: <199612181908.OAA19954@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:32:32 EST Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm trying to hang a HP LaserJet 4 printer off the LPT1 port of my CPU/Authentication server (133MHz Pentium) but can't seem to make it work. When trying to 'lp' from a terminal, I get a timeout. I found the following comments in /sys/lib/lp/bin/lpsend.rc to be disturbing... ># tcp file transfer is broken on plan 9. philw thinks its a flow control problem ># try not to use tcpgate for a while. 9201021250 ># tcp file transfer still broken. 9201171404 I've grepped the CHANGES.TXT file on plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update and don't see any obvious fixes to this problem. Has the problem been fixed by anyone? Thanks, Tom Bohannon Cisco Systems, Inc. tab@cisco.com >From owner-9fans Thu Dec 19 00:26:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA25707 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:26:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (borderware.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25703 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by janus.border.com id <30786-1>; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:24:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:24:30 -0500 From: steve@border.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-Id: <96Dec19.002412est.30786-1@janus.border.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: l3q90@jupiter.SUn.CSd.unb.CA Subject: Re: More cpuservers then terminals? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In comp.os.plan9, l3q90@jupiter.SUn.CSd.unb.CA (Warnica) wrote: > I have been unsucussful in rawriteing the images to the disk.. The > included writer complains that disks 2and up arn't the right size, and > using both dd on a linux machine and RAWRITE.EXE on two seperate > (dos/win95) machines proved unsucussful. You only use rawrite with the first file, disk1. For files disk[234].vd, you just copy the files onto diskettes that have already been dos formatted. >From owner-9fans Fri Dec 20 09:41:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA08721 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:41:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from arf.cisco.com ([206.214.167.246]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08717 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:40:55 -0500 (EST) From: tab@cisco.com Message-Id: <199612201440.JAA08717@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:09:04 EST Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I found a bug in lpdaemon.c ... When if-defed for Plan9, the TMPDIR is defined as follows: #define TMPDIR "/sys/lib/lp/tmp" In the function 'tempfile()' an array is defined as: char tmpf[20]; and later used in: sprintf(tmpf, "%s/lp%d.%d", TMPDIR, getpid(), tindx++); The resulting string overruns the 'tmpf' buffer - it really needs to be at least 32 bytes. later, Tom Bohannon Cisco Systems, Inc. >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 23 22:46:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02211 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:46:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (groper.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.34]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02206 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:46:18 -0500 (EST) From: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Message-Id: <199612240346.WAA02206@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 96 14:43:17 EST To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Inferno colors & plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, Anyone knows how to fix inferno colors map under plan9? Colours looks greenish. Thanks >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 23 23:38:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02628 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:38:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02624 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: rob@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199612240438.XAA02624@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:37:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Inferno colors & plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Anyone knows how to fix inferno colors map under plan9? fb/getmap /usr/inferno/lib/cmap/rgbv >From owner-9fans Tue Dec 24 11:54:17 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05202 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:54:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ten.pixar.com (ten.pixar.com [138.72.27.54]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05198 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by ten.pixar.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vca6F-00JBSOC; Tue, 24 Dec 96 08:53 PST From: "Tom Duff" Message-Id: <9612240853.ZM21339@ten> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 08:53:07 -0800 In-Reply-To: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au "Inferno colors & plan9" (Dec 24, 2:43pm) References: <199612240346.WAA02206@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: td@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno colors & plan9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans On Dec 24, 2:43pm, beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au wrote: > Anyone knows how to fix inferno colors map under plan9? > Colours looks greenish. What hardware? What images? Since Inferno development mostly happens on plan 9 (uhh, Brazil, but who's counting?), if this were a universal problem somebody would have noticed by now. -- Tom Duff >From owner-9fans Mon Dec 30 03:27:27 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA02994 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:27:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from symbionics.co.uk (symbionics-gw.pipex.net [158.43.6.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02990 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sympc267.symbionics.co.uk by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15325; Mon, 30 Dec 96 08:25:44 GMT Message-Id: <9612300825.AA15325@symbionics.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nigel Roles" Organization: Symbionics Ltd. To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 08:21:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Zip drive Reply-To: ngr@symbionics.co.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Before anyone else says "is this one on the wish list?", I have done a Zip parallel port driver. It's essentially cribbed from Linux. It does nibble mode only so works with anything, just not quickly (reads are about 5mb a minute, writes double that). Anyone interested in testing it, let me know. It looks like a SCSI driver, so as soon as it's installed you can use scuzz, dossrv, etc.. It should even co- exist with a printer on the same port, but I haven't tried that. Happy Christmas, and a Microsoft free New Year, Nigel Roles