>From owner-9fans Thu Jan 2 08:31:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA23846 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:31:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from arf.cisco.com ([206.214.167.249]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23838 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:31:16 -0500 (EST) From: tab@cisco.com Message-Id: <199701021331.IAA23838@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:58:19 EST Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Has anyone ported the C compiler to the PowerPC processor? Just thought I'd check before we ported it. Any information will be most helpful. thanks, Tom Bohannon Cisco Systems, Inc. tab@cisco.com >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 2 09:14:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA24266 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:14:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (borderware.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24262 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by janus.border.com id <30785-2>; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:12:43 -0500 Message-Id: <97Jan2.091243est.30785-2@janus.border.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:13:15 -0500 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Has anyone ported the C compiler to the PowerPC processor? yes. see the faq at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html >From owner-9fans Fri Jan 3 15:18:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA01347 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 15:18:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01343 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 15:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199701032018.PAA01343@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:26:20 GMT subject: power pc port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans i did a preliminary package of a powerpc implementation just before christmas; it will be available mid-january. >From owner-9fans Sun Jan 5 20:55:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA16594 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 20:55:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (groper.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.34]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA16590 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 20:55:21 -0500 (EST) From: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Message-Id: <199701060155.UAA16590@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 12:52:46 EST To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: /n/os? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Does /n/os has some special meaning in Inferno? Local os? I tried binding local plan9 devices (audio, MPEG) in /n/os/dev but it was eventually replaced by some network directories (cs,tcp,udp) after I ran lib/cs. Thanks >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 9 18:48:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06177 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:48:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06169 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:48:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701092348.SAA06169@cse.psu.edu> Received: from slocum.cs.bell-labs.com by dirty; Thu Jan 9 18:47:01 EST 1997 From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:46:51 +0500 Subject: ppp with chap available Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello. I have patched ppp to do chap authentication on the client side. You need {ftp,http}://plan9.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/rsc/ppp.rc, which assumes you are expanding from clean CD distribution source. In particular, it has been hand edited and assumes that the original md5sum.l is in ../md5sum.l from the ppp directory (usually /n/cd/sys/src/cmd/ppp). While it doesn't touch ../md5sum.l, it copies it to md5.l in the ppp directory and modifies it for use in the chap authentication. Note that ppp.rc contains forsyth's original changes to ppp, as well as the patches I posted last September and a one-line change to md5.l from /plan9/update/cmd/md5sum.rc. Note also that if you didn't do it before, you need to apply stip.rc to the 9/port directory. It changes the setip messages to allow a '-' to mean `` the default value.'' This is used by ppp to set the mtu. In a chap-authentication challenge, a domain is sent. For AT&T Worldnet, its something like: nycny25ev!nycny51rs06rd001@els-an.att.net. Other ppp servers might not use it. To discover the domain your server uses, just run pppclient and see what it prints out for a domain to standard error. Pppclient reads $home/lib/ppp-chap-secrets which takes the form: substring name secret substring name secret * dfl-name dfl-secret ... The file is read until one of the substrings is found in the sent domain. The special substring '*' matches anything and should be used at the end of the file, if at all. Unlike the last time I posted a ppp patch, the pppserver still compiles and works after this one. Comments appreciated. Russ >From owner-9fans Mon Jan 13 12:06:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA11747 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:06:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.ncube.com (cobra.ncube.com [134.242.5.188]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11743 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:05:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701131705.MAA11743@cse.psu.edu> From: beto@ncube.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 01:38:18 PST To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: IR description Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi, Could someone from the Inferno group describe which infrared remote control you are using: brand and model. I'd like to get one for my PC. Thanks a lot >From owner-9fans Mon Jan 13 13:12:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13282 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:12:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from algw1.lucent.com ([205.147.213.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13275 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dante.mh.lucent.com by alig1.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id NAA06510; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:18:54 -0500 Received: by dante.mh.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA04258; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:09:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:09:32 -0500 From: ericvh@dante.mh.lucent.com (Eric Van Hensbergen) Message-Id: <199701131809.NAA04258@dante.mh.lucent.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: IR description Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 7LzbjV3UWpD2C+GHjTjoaw== Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Could someone from the Inferno group describe which > infrared remote control you are using: brand and model. > I'd like to get one for my PC. > > Thanks a lot > There is support in the Native kernel for the Mindpath IR device. However, the native kernel is not distributed on the web or in the CD distribution. -Eric >From owner-9fans Mon Jan 13 13:20:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13478 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:20:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.ncube.com (cobra.ncube.com [134.242.5.188]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13471 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:20:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701131820.NAA13471@cse.psu.edu> From: beto@ncube.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 02:56:28 PST To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: IR description Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In <199701131809.NAA04258@dante.mh.lucent.com> ericvh@dante.mh.lucent.com (Eric Van Hensbergen) wrote: > > > > Could someone from the Inferno group describe which > > infrared remote control you are using: brand and model. > > I'd like to get one for my PC. > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > There is support in the Native kernel for the Mindpath IR device. However, the > native kernel is not distributed on the web or in the CD distribution. > > -Eric > I looked at ir.b and it seems to me that we don't need native inferno for it. The infrared control connects to a serial port so we don't need a special driver for it. Is this correct? >From owner-9fans Mon Jan 13 13:32:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13680 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:32:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.ncube.com (cobra.ncube.com [134.242.5.188]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13672 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:32:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701131832.NAA13672@cse.psu.edu> From: beto@ncube.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 03:06:12 PST To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: IR description Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In <199701131820.NAA13471@cse.psu.edu> beto@ncube.com wrote: > There is support in the Native kernel for the Mindpath IR device. However, the > native kernel is not distributed on the web or in the CD distribution. I think I should explain that I'm using inferno under plan9 so accesing devices like audio and serial is just a matter of binding the plan9 devices on /usr/inferno/dev and then starting emu (almost true, it's a little more complicated) In this I should be able to run ir.b. shouldn't I? >From owner-9fans Mon Jan 13 13:34:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13773 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:34:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13766 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:34:33 -0500 (EST) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199701131834.NAA13766@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:30:27 -0500 Subject: re: IR description Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The remote we use is just a normal universal remote built by One For All. However the receiver is q board I built that converts received code into RS-232. Its just a PAL, decoder and amplifier. I would be happy to make the schematics available. phil >From owner-9fans Mon Jan 13 14:05:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14203 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:05:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.ncube.com (cobra.ncube.com [134.242.5.188]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14199 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:04:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701131904.OAA14199@cse.psu.edu> From: beto@ncube.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 03:40:04 PST To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: IR description Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In <199701131834.NAA13766@cse.psu.edu> philw@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > The remote we use is just a normal universal > remote built by One For All. However the > receiver is q board I built that converts > received code into RS-232. Its just a PAL, > decoder and amplifier. I would be happy > to make the schematics available. > :-(. I though the device would connect directly to the RS-232. >From owner-9fans Wed Jan 15 00:01:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05243 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:01:30 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (borderware.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05239 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by janus.border.com id <30789-1>; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:00:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:01:02 -0500 From: steve@border.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-Id: <97Jan15.000022est.30789-1@janus.border.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Content-Type: text Apparently-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html >From owner-9fans Wed Jan 15 10:16:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09810 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:16:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09805 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:16:27 -0500 (EST) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199701151516.KAA09805@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:14:39 -0500 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In case anyone doesn't know, the name plan9.att.com is now obsolete. plan9.bell-labs.com is the working name. >From owner-9fans Sat Jan 18 18:11:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27708 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:11:58 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.85]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27704 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jm@localhost) by tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21957 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:02:45 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:02:45 +0100 (MET) From: Jean Mehat Message-Id: <199701182302.AAA21957@tao.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Stupid question about the plan9 kernel Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In the schedinit() and sched() functions, there is a test : if (u){ ... } What does it means when u is 0? Where is (are?) the kernel stack(s?) stored? >From owner-9fans Sat Jan 18 18:50:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27937 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:50:51 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27933 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199701182350.SAA27933@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:48:45 -0500 Subject: re: Stupid question about the plan9 kernel Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >What does it means when u is 0? Where is (are?) the kernel stack(s?) stored? When CPU's boot u == nil so if you are a new cpu coming online you need to call schedinit to install the labels, then sched to bring a process up onto the cpu. these are initial conditions. phil >From owner-9fans Sat Jan 18 19:16:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA28201 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:16:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28195 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:16:03 -0500 (EST) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199701190016.TAA28195@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:13:52 -0500 Subject: re: Stupid question about the plan9 kernel Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I realized I did not answer the stack question. The answer is the kernel stack is wherever the boot loader put it. After the first sched the processor will have made the transition to a mapped stack with valid u-area. phil >From owner-9fans Sat Jan 18 19:52:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA28405 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:52:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28401 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199701190052.TAA28401@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:49:38 -0500 Subject: re: Stupid question about the plan9 kernel Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ok, so now rob corrected me. Where ever the boot loader left it is wrong. _start in l.s moves the kernel stack into the MACH area before calling C. So all the init code gets run out of a stack in MACH. That is used as a transition stack. phil >From owner-9fans Sun Jan 19 22:29:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA11975 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:29:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from angora.cse.psu.edu (angora.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.155]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA11971 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:29:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701200329.WAA11971@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:03:59 EST From: schwartz@cse.psu.edu (Scott Schwartz) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I noticed today that latex gets an fp exception on the following input (derived from a much more interesting document, of course): \documentstyle{article} \begin{document} Troff! \filbreak \eject \end{document} On an x86, the fault says: 14097: math coprocessor vlistout+0x49f MOVBZX 0x5(AX),AX which acid reports as: At pc:0x0001a9e6:vlistout+0x49f /sys/src/cmd/tex/web2c/tex/tex4.c:937 On a sparc the fault is reported as happening in the preceeding call to [z]round(). So, before I plunge into debugging this, has anyone already fixed it? >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 23 09:13:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09217 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:13:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from arf.cisco.com ([206.214.167.243]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09213 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:13:08 -0500 (EST) From: tab@cisco.com Message-Id: <199701231413.JAA09213@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:14:13 EST Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm looking for a POP server for plan9. Any clues? Tom Bohannon Cisco Systems tab@cisco.com >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 23 23:15:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA23764 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:15:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA23760 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12704>; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:14:22 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: crashme 2.4 vs Plan 9 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:14:21 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <97Jan23.231422est.12704@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans On a whim I decided to try George Carrette's old "crashme" program, available from http://people.delphi.com/gjc/crashme.html. Compiled under ape, and run with the parameters from the example in the manpage my pentium lasted about thirty seconds, alas. Fixed in Brazil? :-) >From owner-9fans Fri Jan 24 02:41:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA25657 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:41:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.toronto.istar.net (Mail.Toronto.iSTAR.net [204.191.136.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA25653 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from istar.ca (iSTAR.ca [204.191.136.4]) by mail.toronto.istar.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA00924 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ts9-01.ott.iSTAR.ca [204.191.144.181]) by istar.ca (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA04462 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:40:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701240740.CAA04462@istar.ca> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Mike Roth" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:41:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Hardware In-reply-to: <199701231413.JAA09213@cse.psu.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm trying to get a Plan 9 network running at school, however, it's been a while and I don't know if it will run on the hardware I have available. Currently I have a couple of Sun 4's and some Sun 350s. As well I have a bunch of disckless machines which I would like to use a dumb terminals, however I am unsure as to how I can boot them with a boot disk. Any help would be appreciated. >From owner-9fans Fri Jan 24 11:31:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00161 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:31:42 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ten.pixar.com (ten.pixar.com [138.72.27.54]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00156 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by ten.pixar.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vnoWL-00IyNEC; Fri, 24 Jan 97 08:30 PST From: "Tom Duff" Message-Id: <9701240830.ZM26425@ten> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:30:29 -0800 In-Reply-To: Scott Schwartz "crashme 2.4 vs Plan 9" (Jan 23, 11:14pm) References: <97Jan23.231422est.12704@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: td@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: crashme 2.4 vs Plan 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans This is well-known. I ran this test about 5 years ago with roughly the same results. More interesting than running random binaries is sending random arguments to system calls or firing random bytes through various protocols. -- Tom Duff >From owner-9fans Sat Jan 25 20:56:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA17573 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 20:56:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (ns.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17565 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 20:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.34.135]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA10104 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:54:36 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:51:58 +0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Subject: even primes Message-ID: <19970126015434.AAA10104@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The cmd primes on my 386 gives even numbers for the result: eg primes 55 456 567 778 889 557 55 456 567 778 889 657 (spaces for readability) returns about 6 even numbers. Will someone kindly try this on a 386 and report? TNX TW >From owner-9fans Sun Jan 26 00:39:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA19018 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:39:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nol.net (photon@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19014 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (photon@localhost) by nol.net (8.8.5/NOL - 8.*) with SMTP id XAA06209 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:38:43 -0600 (CST) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:38:43 -0600 (CST) From: Brandon Black To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Destroyed nvram on pc plan9 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ok, I've run into a small problem here, and before I go hacking around too far, I wanted to see if anyone else has done this before and has a good solution. I have a typical 3 PC Plan 9 setup, 1 fs, 1 cpu server, 1 terminal.. and everything is configured ok and working fine. The cpu server has a 125Mb IDE hard drive in it. This holds nothing but a 20Mb DOS partition, my plan 9 parition table and nvram, and the rest was divided between #H/hd0fs and #H/hd0swap. Seeing as I don't actually use hd0fs, I was going to repartition the drive with disk/prep and make one big hd0swap out of what used to be hd0swap and hd0fs. However, hd0nvram, which holds the authid's key, was sitting right inbetween the hd0fs and hd0swap partitions. My plan, which I'm 99.9% sure would have worked, was to copy /dev/hd0nvram to a disk file called "nvtmp", repartition, and make a new nvram partition in a logical place, and then copy "nvtmp" back over the new nvram partition. However.... (again), I was distracted from working on this halfway through it, and when I got back, I finished up with the partition table and rebooted the machine, forgetting to copy "nvtmp" over the new nvram partition. So now of course, when I try to boot my cpu server, it reads some random data from the new nvram partition (just whatever was on that sector at some earlier time), and tries to use that as a key, which results in the fileserver refusing the attach with a "SUCK EGGS" diagnostic message. How am I to get my nvram back in shape now? "Plan A" is I'm going to try and attach to the fileserver from the terminal as "none" with the server in allow mode and copy the "nvtmp" onto the terminal's dos partition. Then I can put the "nvtmp" file on a floppy, bot to DOS on the cpu server machine, and attempt to somehow manually write the data to the nvram sector. (debug maybe? echhh...) I know the nvram sector's location... the last sector of the drive is the partition table, and the sector just before it is my nvram. "Plan B" will be to just write a bunch of 0's over that same sector, and hope that when I boot the cpu server it prompts me for the password to save in nvram, like it did when I installed it.... Either way, I have to find a method for accurately modifying a sector of my hard drive from DOS.... Anyone have any clues or suggestions? Brandon >From owner-9fans Sun Jan 26 01:54:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA19501 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:54:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA19495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:54:32 -0500 (EST) From: rob@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199701260654.BAA19495@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:53:28 -0500 Subject: Re: even primes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans For what it's worth, the primes program is an old V7 warhorse that hasn't been touched in years (since 1983 at least). It gives the same even numbers on our Unix machines around here as it does on our Plan 9 systems. Since the program is old and venerable, like its author, and since the primes you're asking for are close to the documented limit of its capabilities, I have only one suggest: look for smaller primes. -rob >From owner-9fans Mon Jan 27 05:40:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA00816 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 05:40:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (glacier-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.38]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA00810 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 05:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from eua.eua.ericsson.se (eua.eua.ericsson.se [134.138.132.16]) by glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-0.9) with SMTP id LAA14549 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:39:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from ms.uab.ericsson.se by eua.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA04262; Mon, 27 Jan 97 11:39:05 +0100 Received: from uabx01c184.uab.ericsson.se by ms.uab.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA12307; Mon, 27 Jan 97 11:39:04 +0100 From: Bengt.Kleberg@uab.ericsson.se (Bengt Kleberg) Received: by uabx01c184.uab.ericsson.se (SMI-8.6/client-1.3) id LAA12829; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:39:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:39:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199701271039.LAA12829@uabx01c184.uab.ericsson.se> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Hardware Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <199701240740.CAA04462@istar.ca>, delerium@istar.CA (Mike Roth) writes: > I'm trying to get a Plan 9 network running at school, however, it's > been a while and I don't know if it will run on the hardware I have > available. Currently I have a couple of Sun 4's and some Sun 350s. > Sun4's run out-of-the-box. The FAQ will direct you to two sources of modifications to the 68020 port that will run on Sun3-50. > As well I have a bunch of disckless machines which I would like to > use a dumb terminals, however I am unsure as to how I can boot them > with a boot disk. Any help would be appreciated. To run diskless machines you can boot over the network. Either use the standard Sun netboot system (see the FAQ for the specifiq names that must be used) or you can compile the generic Unix bootp that is included on the CD-ROM (and use any names you want). -- Best Wishes, Bengt -------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: Bengt.Kleberg@enea.se (Enea Data AB, Sweden) Disclaimer: Nothing abovementioned has any connection to Enea Data AB ``At the moment money does indeed make the world go round but unfortunately the direction of that applied rotation is all downhill.'' fleecy@netreach.net >From owner-9fans Mon Jan 27 06:35:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA01049 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 06:35:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA01045 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 06:35:25 -0500 (EST) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199701271135.GAA01045@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:33:58 GMT Subject: Re: Hardware Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Sun4's run out-of-the-box. The FAQ will direct you to two sources of careful: only certain sparc models are supported, and the list doesn't include the VME-based Sun4 servers. i've successfully used SLC, ELC and SS1 out-of-the-box. others are listed, too (SS2, SS1+, IPC, uniprocessor SS10), but i haven't tried them. the LX/Classic ones aren't supported, because they are different again, but if you've got an LX or Classic, and the source, i can give you my changes to get our LX/Classic models going on the old academic release. i didn't update the changes for the current (book+cd) release. >From owner-9fans Mon Jan 27 15:03:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09348 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:03:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk (hamnavoe.demon.co.uk [158.152.225.204]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09344 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:03:18 -0500 (EST) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199701272003.PAA09344@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:56:58 GMT Subject: Re: Hardware Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk says: > i've successfully used SLC, ELC and SS1 out-of-the-box. The IPX also works as terminal or cpu server, but not as a file server (at least mine wouldn't) without making a one-line change to the serial port driver [copied from the equivalent place in /sys/src/9/port/devscc.c]: diff /n/cdrom/sys/src/fs/ss/scc.c scc.c 164c164 < sp->sticky[11] = TxClockBR | RxClockBR | TRxCOutBR | TRxCOI; --- > sp->sticky[11] = TxClockBR | RxClockBR | TRxCOutBR /*| TRxCOI*/; -- Richard Miller >From owner-9fans Wed Jan 29 14:57:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15938 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:57:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hyperion.dynanet.com (root@hyperion.dynanet.com [206.84.40.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15932 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp113.dynanet.com [206.84.40.143]) by hyperion.dynanet.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA01293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:56:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701291956.OAA01293@hyperion.dynanet.com> From: "Kai Radicke" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: (none) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:51:13 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Tom if you ever find one (a POP server) can you please notify me? Thanks, Kai M. Radicke -- mowogmg@dynanet.com http://www.dynanet.com/~mowogmg Webmaster -- webking@bigfoot.com Phat Enterprises -- http://www.dynanet.com/~mowogmg/phat/default.htm ---------- > From: tab@cisco.COM > Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 > Subject: (none) > Date: Thursday, January 23, 1997 9:16 AM > > I'm looking for a POP server for plan9. Any clues? > > Tom Bohannon > Cisco Systems > tab@cisco.com > >From owner-9fans Wed Jan 29 15:10:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15938 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:57:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hyperion.dynanet.com (root@hyperion.dynanet.com [206.84.40.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15932 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp113.dynanet.com [206.84.40.143]) by hyperion.dynanet.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA01293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:56:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701291956.OAA01293@hyperion.dynanet.com> From: "Kai Radicke" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: (none) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:51:13 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Tom if you ever find one (a POP server) can you please notify me? Thanks, Kai M. Radicke -- mowogmg@dynanet.com http://www.dynanet.com/~mowogmg Webmaster -- webking@bigfoot.com Phat Enterprises -- http://www.dynanet.com/~mowogmg/phat/default.htm ---------- > From: tab@cisco.COM > Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 > Subject: (none) > Date: Thursday, January 23, 1997 9:16 AM > > I'm looking for a POP server for plan9. Any clues? > > Tom Bohannon > Cisco Systems > tab@cisco.com > >From owner-9fans Wed Jan 29 19:25:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA21267 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:25:28 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nol.net (photon@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21263 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (photon@localhost) by nol.net (8.8.5/NOL - 8.*) with SMTP id SAA28381 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:24:19 -0600 (CST) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:24:19 -0600 (CST) From: Brandon Black To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: (none) In-Reply-To: <199701291956.OAA01293@hyperion.dynanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans A pop3 mail server should be trivial to implement in C on plan 9, with the exception of one point: Authentication. Most pop3 implementations use "USER" and "PASS" to authenticate themselves by transmitting cleartext passwords across the network. Obviously, cleartext passwords will not do for plan 9 (well, you could do it, buy why???). According to RFC's 1734 and 1731 (POP AUTHentication command and IMAP Authentication methods, respectively), there is an "AUTH" command in POP3 which can be used to implement more secure authentication methods. The methods listed in 1731 include kerberos, GSSAPI, and S/Key. It would be possible to make an "AUTH SecureNet" POP3 AUTH method, but the clients would have to be modified to know to send this authentication type... Also, I'm not sure if any widely used pop clients implement the AUTH SKEY protocol, but if they do, you could use that... simply have the plan 9 pop3 server transmit the SecureNet challenge in place of the SKey sequence number, and the user reponds with his securenet answer instead of the skey answer. If there was a client out there that support skey authentication, and prompted the user with the sequence number... that could conceivably work..... brandon On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Kai Radicke wrote: > Tom if you ever find one (a POP server) can you please notify me? > > Thanks, > > Kai M. Radicke -- mowogmg@dynanet.com > http://www.dynanet.com/~mowogmg > > Webmaster -- webking@bigfoot.com > Phat Enterprises -- http://www.dynanet.com/~mowogmg/phat/default.htm > > > > ---------- > > From: tab@cisco.COM > > Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 > > Subject: (none) > > Date: Thursday, January 23, 1997 9:16 AM > > > > I'm looking for a POP server for plan9. Any clues? > > > > Tom Bohannon > > Cisco Systems > > tab@cisco.com > > > ................................. .............. : Brandon Lee Black : [Office] :.............: [Personal] :.... :....................: brandon.black@wcom.com : photon@nol.net :....... : "Sanity is the : +1.281.362.6466 .......: photon@gnu.ai.mit.edu : : trademark of a :.................:..../\: vis_blb@unx1.shsu.edu : : weak mind. . ." : LDDS WorldCom, Inc. :\/: +1.281.397.3490 ......: :....................:.....................:..:.................: >From owner-9fans Wed Jan 29 20:20:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA22245 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:20:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA22241 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:19:57 -0500 (EST) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199701300119.UAA22241@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:15:59 GMT subject: pop3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans as far as we can tell, none of the pop3 clients that people actually use here, including most of the famous ones, support any useful form of secure authentication. if the client side had a useful operating system, you might interpose a `secure' connection between client and server, to prevent the password being seen. >From owner-9fans Wed Jan 29 21:13:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23410 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:13:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from delbarton.org (www.delbarton.org [206.67.182.18]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23406 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rsc@localhost) by delbarton.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA28204 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:15:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:15:10 -0500 From: Russ Cox Message-Id: <199701300215.VAA28204@delbarton.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: pop3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >of secure authentication. if the client side had a useful operating >system, you might interpose a `secure' connection between client and >server, to prevent the password being seen. for that matter, if the client side had a useful operating system, you could interpose a secure, authenticated connection and not require a password. p.s. is apop somehow encrypted or disguised? i've only seen it as an option in eudora. >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 30 01:15:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA26068 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:15:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nol.net (photon@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA26064 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (photon@localhost) by nol.net (8.8.5/NOL - 8.*) with SMTP id AAA11017 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:14:23 -0600 (CST) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:14:23 -0600 (CST) From: Brandon Black To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: pop3 In-Reply-To: <199701300215.VAA28204@delbarton.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Russ Cox wrote: > >of secure authentication. if the client side had a useful operating > >system, you might interpose a `secure' connection between client and > >server, to prevent the password being seen. > > for that matter, if the client side had a useful operating > system, you could interpose a secure, authenticated connection > and not require a password. > > p.s. is apop somehow encrypted or disguised? i've only seen it > as an option in eudora. > Check out the rfc's I referred to (1731 and 1734 I _think_...)... They said something about "apop"... it had something to do with the server initially giving an identification message like: +OK Pop3 Server ready <123.45678@xxx.com> where xxx.com was the host, and 123 and 45678 were the pid of the server and some other number.. Then the user did a (md4 maybe?) hash of a string consisting of that server id string plus his/her password, and returned the hash to the server to authenticate... Or something like that... brandon ................................. .............. : Brandon Lee Black : [Office] :.............: [Personal] :.... :....................: brandon.black@wcom.com : photon@nol.net :....... : "Sanity is the : +1.281.362.6466 .......: photon@gnu.ai.mit.edu : : trademark of a :.................:..../\: vis_blb@unx1.shsu.edu : : weak mind. . ." : LDDS WorldCom, Inc. :\/: +1.281.397.3490 ......: :....................:.....................:..:.................: >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 30 01:27:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA26326 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA26322 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA11739; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:28:36 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199701300628.IAA11739@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu cc: lucio@foible.proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: pop3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:14:23 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:28:35 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > +OK Pop3 Server ready <123.45678@xxx.com> > MH has a worthy POP server (and client) in its very confounded and confounding implementation. Perhaps not for the faint hearted, but certainly worth a look. It does provide APOP as well as some even cleverer extensions. -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 30 04:21:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA27180 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:21:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from route1.france3.fr (route1.france3.fr [194.51.91.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA27175 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by route1.france3.fr (8.8.4/SMI-4.1) id JAA04028; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:19:21 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:13:59 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: pop3 In-Reply-To: <199701300628.IAA11739@foible.proxima.alt.za> Message-ID: <199701301013.17110.9.bakud@france3.fr> X-UTM: N 31 447109 5411310 La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans the client should be a popfs. the server could reply like ftp with: USER boyd +OK Encrypt challenge 123 for boyd. >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 30 04:57:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA27430 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:57:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA27426 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:56:56 -0500 (EST) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199701300956.EAA27426@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:55:20 GMT Subject: Re: pop3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans APOP uses MD5 encryption. the RFCs do indeed define a small selection of moderately secure authentication methods. the catch is that almost no existing client -- the ones our users actually want to use from PCs -- implements those methods. there was code to support APOP in the free implementation of Eudora, but when we asked the author about it (eg, how do we switch this on?), he said it wasn't really supported. microsoft exchange does not support it. netscape didn't support it (on PCs) the last time we checked. pegasus mail did not support it. and so on. a plan 9 client talking to a pop3 server might well implement a popfs as boyd suggests. (similarly for nntp, emphasising yet again how many of these wretched underpowered protocols go away given a general file service protocol, with authentication factored out at a higher level.) >>It does provide APOP as well as some even cleverer extensions. the Internet protocol extension racket is a complete pain: you often find that many things simply haven't written down by the vendor in (say) an auxiliary RFC. it's even more irritating when they've spent so much time implementing extensions they haven't bothered to implement correctly the part of the protocol that's actually written down in an RFC. >>for that matter, if the client side had a useful operating >>system, you could interpose a secure, authenticated connection >>and not require a password. sorry, i wasn't clear. what i was suggesting really only applied to existing clients on non-Plan9 systems that cannot easily be taught to use different techniques. if you can authenticate a connection, then get the pop3 client to use it, that's ideal (you still need a dummy user/password because the protocol requires it, but that's easy). >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 30 07:11:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA27984 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 07:11:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vallona.csccs.com.au (vallona.csccs.com.au [192.94.244.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 07:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from robroy (robroy.csccs.com.au [192.94.244.4]) by vallona.csccs.com.au (8.7.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA06929 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 23:10:07 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970130230220.00949e30@vallona.csccs.com.au> X-Sender: chas@vallona.csccs.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 23:02:24 +1100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Charles Smith Subject: PGP on plan9 yet ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Has anyone done a port of PGP to plan9 yet? If not then I'm willing. If its already ported then where can I find the international version ? Anyone else interested in the outcome ? If it aint been done yet I will be using the international version of the code NOT using the RSAREF lib, sorry you American Types but one can't play with explosives, one might get ones fingers burned or worse still ones arse sued off!! Regards Charles Smith. PS Just finished building my Plan9 network with 2 Sparc SLC's and one 133MHz 486 file server. About time I tried to contribute something back (thanks for the effort for a great OS from you all at bell and other places) Its soooo good to have a breath of fresh air in the OS world. BTW has anyone talked to Storage Tek about doing a 9fs file server interface/driver to their silo's, it would make a GREAT interface to one of those beasts and the flexibility it would offer to access similar to your WORM drive systems backup strategy would be pretty cool. Regards Charles Smith >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 30 08:09:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA28406 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:09:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from border.com (borderware.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28402 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by janus.border.com id <30804-1>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:05:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:08:09 -0500 From: steve@border.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-Id: <97Jan30.080550est.30804-1@janus.border.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: PGP on plan9 yet ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Scott Schwartz posted a bod for it, but his work was based on pgp262 (US/Can). >From owner-9fans Thu Jan 30 14:42:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA05342 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:42:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from basic.cse.psu.edu (schwartz@basic.cse.psu.edu [130.203.10.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05336 for <9fans@basic.cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:42:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701301942.OAA05336@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: PGP on plan9 yet ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:08:09 EST." <97Jan30.080550est.30804-1@janus.border.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:41:28 EST From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Scott Schwartz posted a bod for it, but his work was based on pgp262 (US/Can). Also available as: ftp://globin.cse.psu.edu/pub/scott/pgp.shar.gz Patching the international version of pgp shouldn't be a problem; the changes were minor. >From owner-9fans Fri Jan 31 04:25:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA17661 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 04:25:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vallona.csccs.com.au (vallona.csccs.com.au [192.94.244.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA17657 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 04:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from robroy (robroy.csccs.com.au [192.94.244.4]) by vallona.csccs.com.au (8.7.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA19352 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 20:23:47 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970131201605.0091a100@vallona.csccs.com.au> X-Sender: chas@vallona.csccs.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 20:16:08 +1100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Charles Smith Subject: Re: PGP on plan9 yet ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans OK. I will handle the "international version if you like". Will post it when done. Regards Charles At 08:08 30/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >Scott Schwartz posted a bod for it, but his work was based on pgp262 (US/Can). > > >From owner-9fans Fri Jan 31 12:42:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23295 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 12:42:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23291 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 12:42:34 -0500 (EST) From: rob@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199701311742.MAA23291@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:20:24 -0500 Subject: Primes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The primes mystery was solved, by another venerable person, without looking at the source. The primes program uses floating point and its upper limit is set by the number of bits in the mantissa. When moved from PDP-11 floating point to IEEE, two bits of mantissa were lost but the source wasn't fixed to represent the loss. To repair the program, change the variable 'big' from 2^(64-8) to 2^(64-10), if I remember the format of IEEE numbers correctly. -rob >From owner-9fans Fri Jan 31 16:30:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA28081 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:30:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28077 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) From: rob@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199701312129.QAA28077@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:28:32 -0500 Subject: Primes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans A local floating point expert has spoken up. The correct value of big is: double big = 9.007199254740992e15;