>From owner-9fans Wed Mar 12 14:17:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA16474 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:17:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16470 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.116.45.84]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA1404 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:59:13 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:55:17 +0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Subject: need help on LISTEN Message-ID: <19970312185910.AAA1404@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have a plan9 system and a unix system connected by an ethernet. I can telnet from the p9 to the unix (IRIX), but I can' telnet from the unix to the p9., or from p9 to itself. In both cases that fail I get "Connection Refused". I suppose this means the hardware is functional but there is a permission of some kind missing in the p9 system. I have tried quite a few combinations of arguments with aux/listen; it returns "giving up on ..". Will some one please straighten me out? tnx >From owner-9fans Wed Mar 12 14:32:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA16909 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:32:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from postman.ncube.com (postman.ncube.com [134.242.8.47]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16898 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from garcon.ncube.com by postman.ncube.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA27334; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:33:05 -0800 Received: from pejs.ncube.com by garcon.ncube.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11073; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:32:55 -0800 Received: by pejs.ncube.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA28742; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:34:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:34:10 -0800 From: sch@ncube.com (Stephen Hemminger) Message-Id: <199703121934.LAA28742@pejs.ncube.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: need help on LISTEN Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans is your plan9 system a CPU server or just a terminal (four disk set)? CPU server's are single user and don't accept connections. >From owner-9fans Wed Mar 12 14:45:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA17153 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:45:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk (forsyth@p9auth.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.33.120]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17149 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:44:49 -0500 (EST) From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199703121944.OAA17149@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:47:46 GMT Subject: Re: need help on LISTEN Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>CPU server's are single user and don't accept connections. a typing mistake there: ``terminal'' was meant, not ``CPU server''. you can actually run aux/listen on a terminal, and even telnet in, but only as the terminal's owner (or possibly `none'). its use is rather specialised! >From owner-9fans Wed Mar 12 16:30:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA18832 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:30:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18813 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.36.131]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA23904 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:29:15 +0000 X-Sender: west9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:25:19 +0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Thomas West Subject: experiments w/ LISTEN Message-ID: <19970312212912.AAA23904@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans following rsc, I did this: aux/listen tcp il result: could login as none , but not as a usr. Prompt was cpu% above command was followed by: aux/listen -t /bin/service result: could login as none but not as a usr. Could read other usr files, but not write them. Prompt was cpu% thanks to messrs Cox, Forsyth, and Hemminger ps: my p9 is cd version on 386 >From owner-9fans Sat Mar 15 00:02:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id AAA12647 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:02:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from rnd.border.com (elgreco.border.com [199.71.190.101]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12636 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by elgreco.rnd.border.com id <11649>; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:01:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:01:01 -0500 From: steve@border.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-Id: <97Mar15.000158est.11649@elgreco.rnd.border.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Content-Type: text Apparently-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html >From owner-9fans Sat Mar 15 14:46:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA17272 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:46:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.att.com (H-135-205-33-215.research.att.com [135.205.33.215]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17268 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:46:45 -0500 (EST) From: rsc@research.att.com Message-Id: <199703151946.OAA17268@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:45:34 -0500 Subject: multiple ethernet? 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Sender: cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Reply-To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Precedence: bulk has anyone bothered fleshing out the plan 9 devether.c into a multiple ethernet card driver? >From owner-9fans Thu Mar 20 17:35:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA05001 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:35:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA05933 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:34:17 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with SMTP id IAA23920 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:34:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id WAA02751 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:36:42 GMT Message-Id: <199703202236.WAA02751@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0beta 12/23/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Plan9 mentioned by id (again) X-Face: 3}heU+2?b->-GSF-G4T4>jEB9~FR(V9lo&o>kAy=Pj&;oVOc<|pr%I/VSG"ZD32J>5gGC0N 7gj]^GI@M:LlqNd]|(2OxOxy@$6@/!,";-!OlucF^=jq8s57$%qXd/ieC8DhWmIy@J1AcnvSGV\|*! >Bvu7+0h4zCY^]{AxXKsDTlgA2m]fX$W@'8ev-Qi+-;%L'CcZ'NBL!@n?}q!M&Em3*eW7,093nOeV8 M)(u+6D;%B7j\XA/9j4!Gj~&jYzflG[#)E9sI&Xe9~y~Gn%fA7>F:YKr"Wx4cZU*6{^2ocZ!YyR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:36:41 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In John Carmack's .plan (for March 18), the following snippet can be found. Plan9 I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. I had an older version of quake dedicated server running on it (don't ask me for it -- I lost it somewhere) and I was writing a civilized window manager for it in my spare time, but my spare time turned out to be only a couple hours a month, and it just got prioritized out of existance. -- The views expressed above are not those of WorkCover Queensland, Australia. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California >From owner-9fans Fri Mar 21 12:56:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA18813 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:56:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18808 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:56:21 -0500 (EST) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199703211756.MAA18808@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:39:57 -0500 ftp: //plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/cmd/ip/858963972.rc Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans contains a fix to arpd.c. We had a stupid mistake that kept the resent packets from getting out of the machine after the arp was received. >From owner-9fans Fri Mar 21 13:30:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA19928 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:30:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.16.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA19924 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:30:51 -0500 (EST) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199703211830.NAA19924@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:28:40 -0500 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Russ Cox made it easier to add new keyboard sequences to plan 9. The pertinent files are: ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update/cmd/aux/mklatinkbd.c frp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update/9/port/858968110.rc Here's his mail explaining it: Subject: /lib/keyboard and latin1.c A while ago, Rob and I exchanged the attached email. It's a shame that editing /lib/keyboard doesn't work, so I fixed that. Take a look at ls /usr/rsc/kbd/mklatinkbd.c. The way I've installed it at home is to change latin1.c to read struct cvlist { char *ld; /* must be seen before using this conversion */ char *si; /* options for last input characters */ Rune *so; /* the corresponding Rune for each si entry */ } latintab[] = { #include "latin1.h" 0, 0, 0 }; and then have mkfile generate latin1.h with aux/mklatinkbd /lib/keyboard >latin1.h As an aside, I found two ``bugs'' in the keyboard file as shipped on the CD. The sequences <= and => are used for both Ⲧ, €鎥 and €€€,€€€, according to /lib/keyboard. It looks like they've been fixed, at least on emelie (haven't checked elsewhere). The program will catch duplicate sequences. From rsc Fri Oct 25 08:36:01 1996 Subject: re: /lib/keyboard how does one add more compose sequences in plan 9? i tried editing /lib/keyboard and rebooting, but that did not work. From rob Fri Oct 25 09:02:01 1996 Subject: re: /lib/keyboard unfortunately, it's not nearly that easy. you need to edit /n/bootes/sys/src/9/port/latin1.c. you just edited the documentation, a rarely successful method of change. >From owner-9fans Fri Mar 21 13:48:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA20341 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:48:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from p9att.att.com (H-135-205-33-187.research.att.com [135.205.33.187]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20335 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:47:54 -0500 (EST) From: rsc@research.att.com Message-Id: <199703211847.NAA20335@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:44:00 -0500 Subject: mklatinkbd Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans this doesn't appear to be in the boddle, and it's not 100% right in my message that presotto attached either. the changes to 9/port/portmkfile are to add the following lines: latin1.$O: ../port/latin1.h ../port/latin1.h: /lib/keyboard aux/mklatinkbd $prereq >$target russ >From owner-9fans Sat Mar 22 05:24:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id FAA29574 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 05:24:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (pestilence.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.36]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA29569 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 05:24:39 -0500 (EST) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Plan9 mentioned by id (again) From: David Hogan Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:07:21 +1000 In-Reply-To: <199703202236.WAA02751@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <199703222007.1452.out.bagif@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Plan9 > I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal > structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. I > had an older version of quake dedicated server running on it (don't ask me > for it -- I lost it somewhere) and I was writing a civilized window manager > for it in my spare time, but my spare time turned out to be only a couple > hours a month, and it just got prioritized out of existance. `Old Fashioned' Window Manager - small executable - synchronous, predictable behaviour - user interface based on simple, consistent design rules - responsive to user - works `out of the box' `Modern' Window Manager - huge executable - asynchronous, unpredictable behaviour - user interface based on whims of marketing division - machine thrashes every time user moves mouse - billions of configuration options that need to be set before it is even remotely usable There's no accounting for taste ;-) P.S. Curiously, this is just as true if we replace `Window Manager' with `Web Browser'... >From owner-9fans Wed Mar 26 14:02:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA08260 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:02:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08250 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12704>; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:01:22 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: fwd Message-Id: <97Mar26.140122est.12704@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:01:12 -0500 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans (This appeared on the newsgroup, but didn't make it to the mailing list.) From: jm@pasteur.FR (Jean Mehat) Subject: (bad) surprise with the C compiler Summary: non-atomic operation on structures Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:29:48 GMT Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris I was somewhat surprised when I realised that delta = Pt(-delta.y, delta.x) expanded as delta = (Point){-delta.y, delta.x} was actually equivalent to delta.x = -delta.y, delta.y = delta.x As you can suppose, it doesn't work as intended. -- Jean Mehat, universite de Paris 8 Vincennes a Saint Denis, jm@univ-paris8.fr, (33) 01 49 40 64 03, (33) 01 49 40 67 83 (fax)