>From owner-9fans Mon Jun 2 09:15:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA29625 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:15:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ns.dbSystems.com (root@ns.dbSystems.com [204.178.76.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29621 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gdb@localhost) by ns.dbSystems.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA24611 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:05:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:05:09 -0500 From: "G. David Butler" Message-Id: <199706021305.IAA24611@ns.dbSystems.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Commercial Use of Plan 9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I wrote: >OK, so now you have "researched" Plan 9 from Bell Labs, er, Lucent >Technologies and have decided that it would make a reasonable platform >for some application. Now what? Well I have waited long enough to post the results of my query. These are the number of commitments: Appliances: 0 Clients: 4 Servers: 0 And the number of maybes: Appliances: 0 Clients: 7 Servers: 2 The message is, there is *no* opportuity for this business. I know there are companies that have licensed Plan 9. Are there any interested in selling commercial use licenses to holders of the source license? Thanks for the feedback. David Butler gdb@dbSystems.com >From owner-9fans Mon Jun 2 13:00:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA03585 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:00:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from jupiter.brighton.ac.uk (jupiter.bton.ac.uk [192.173.128.24]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03579 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha2.bton.ac.uk by jupiter with SMTP (MMTA); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:58:57 +0100 Received: from localhost by alpha2.bton.ac.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/28Jul95-0212PM) id AA09520; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:59:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:59:57 +0100 (BST) From: Gergely Fodemesi To: plan9 mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: 4disk set Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans probably most of you have already seen a couple of messages like this, here is yet another one: the latest 4 disk set won't install. (I am not good enough, again) pc: i386 i387, 43Mb ide disk, 8 mb ram, 3.5" floppy drive, vga monitor 84 key AT keyboard. (CHS 667/4/33, plan9 says I have a 61Mhz 386 cpu. wow) there is one 20.02 Mb primary partition, formatted to dos, the rest of the disk is not allocated. there are some bad blocks on the hard drive, but everything else seems to be ok. (could this be a problem, or can plan9 deal with bad sectors?) results: After booting plan9 from the floppy, the install program tries to access the hard drive (/dev/hd0), but it fails with read /dev/hd0disk: i/o error Tried to set up other IRQ/port numbers, but I don't know where to get the right ones. After setting up some random irq/port numbers, the install program complains, that there is already a plan9 system installed on \plan9. There is _NO_ \plan9 on my primary dos partition. Anyway I choose File system install. The install program then complains, that it can't find /n/c/plan9/plan9.ini Problem accesing file errstr: file not found or if I tried to remove the non-existing file system, before file system install, after that, it starts to install but when it tries to access /n/c/plan9/9dos then it fails, and for all the other files as well. just another curiosity: the cursor keys don't work under the install program. (they are ok under dos) thank you for _any_ help: Gergely Fodemesi >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 3 14:04:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA07407 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:04:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07403 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: bodiesrhot@hotmail.com Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (ip219.tucson.az.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.191.219]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA13549; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 01:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.bstgrlsss.com (alt1.bstgrlsss.com(289.3.33.75) by bodiesrhot@hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA04201 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 1997 01:44:31 -0600 (EST) To: bodiesrhot@hotmail.com Message-ID: <184558452539.CAA08557@bstgrlsss.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 01:44:31 EST Subject: Tiffany's Pictures on her web page Reply-To: bodiesrhot@hotmail.com X-UIDL: 15373155953585955312535201758432 Comments: Authenticated sender is Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans If you are not interested in adult pictures or are under the age of 18, I apologize, DO NOT REPLY and I will GUARANTEE you will be removed from my list or you may reply to removetif@answerme.com and you will receive confirmation that you were removed, either way, I apologize and you WILL be removed from my list. Hi my name is Tiffany. I am a college student that just learned how to make a web page, so I decided to put some naughty pictures of myself on my page for everyone to see. If you want to see it, write back to me at tif@answerme.com and type "over 18" in the subject box (you will have to change the current "to" box to tif@answerme.com) If you are offended by nudity, Do Not Reply and I will take you off my mailing list. -Tiffany -Tiffany >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 3 15:18:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA08642 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08638 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:17:54 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Using 9fans leads to junk email! From: David Hogan Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 05:10:56 +1000 Message-ID: <199706040510.2561.out.bajes@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans For a while I have been receiving junk email on an irregular basis, and I couldn't figure out why. I am aware that most such messages are sent to a distribution list harvested out of someone's Usenet spool; normally one gets most junk email soon after posting an article. Finally, it has clicked! I am not posting news articles, but the 9fans <-> comp.os.plan9 gateway is on my behalf! Is there any chance that we could fit automatic "spam-trapping" into the gateway? >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 3 18:08:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA11211 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:08:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from auto-relay2.cybermirror1.com (root@[207.124.161.77]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11197 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from --- CLOAKED --- Received: (from daemon@localhost) by answerme.cybermirror1.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) Received: from Cyber Promotions' autoresponder system. Details at... http://www.cyberpromo.com Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Web: Visit it now! http://www.cyberpromo.com Message-Id: <199706032208.SAA20065@199706032208.SAA20065> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: t148@msn.com (Mail AutoResponder) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: removed Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your name has been removed from Tiffany's list. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >From tifnude@msn.com Thu Feb 27 21:50:46 1997 Return-Path tiffany001@00.com Received: from Pictures (Pictures web [204.250.46.50]) by emin37.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA11087 ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:50:46 -0500 Received: fromPictures (sdn-ts-003azphoeP10.dialsprint.net [206.133.130.61]) by mail.sprintmail (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP sprintm Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:49:28 -0800 (PST) Comments: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:51:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Pictures Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >From tifnude@msn.com Thu Feb 27 21:50:46 1997 Return-Path tiffany001@00.com Received: from Pictures (Pictures web [204.250.46.50]) by emin37.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA11087 ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:50:46 -0500 Received: fromPictures (sdn-ts-003azphoeP10.dialsprint.net [206.133.130.61]) by mail.sprintmail (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP sprintm Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:49:28 -0800 (PST) Comments: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:51:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Pictures Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 3 18:08:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA11219 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from auto-relay2.cybermirror1.com (root@[207.124.161.77]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11199 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from --- CLOAKED --- Received: (from daemon@localhost) by answerme.cybermirror1.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) Received: from Cyber Promotions' autoresponder system. Details at... http://www.cyberpromo.com Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:08:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Web: Visit it now! http://www.cyberpromo.com Message-Id: <199706032208.SAA20082@199706032208.SAA20082> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: babesrus@juno.com (Mail AutoResponder) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Tiffany's Address Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Here is the address that you requested... http://www.tiffanyxxx.com See you there...Tiffany -Tiffany >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 3 18:42:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA11797 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:42:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from eiffel.cse.psu.edu (schwartz@eiffel.cse.psu.edu [130.203.10.16]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11790 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Schwartz Received: (from schwartz@localhost) by eiffel.cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA01499 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706032241.SAA01499@eiffel.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: spam Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've added some more regexp's to majordomo's list. That should help with today's barrage, but I suspect the only long term solution is to filter all messages gated to usenet to replace email addresses with nospam.arpa. (Well, one other idea that I've heard is to start up Usenet II, and not allow spammers to join.) >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 3 19:22:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id TAA12371 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:22:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12366 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:22:04 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: spam From: David Hogan Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:18:48 +1000 In-Reply-To: <199706032241.SAA01499@eiffel.cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <199706040918.3152.out.bajez@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > I've added some more regexp's to majordomo's list. That should help > with today's barrage, but I suspect the only long term solution is to > filter all messages gated to usenet to replace email addresses with > nospam.arpa. (Well, one other idea that I've heard is to start up > Usenet II, and not allow spammers to join.) And everyone should write to the following address, explaining why they don't like bulk email, and why sending bulk email to mailing lists is even more detestable: Cyber Promotions, Inc (CYBERPROMO-DOM) 8001 Castor Avenue Suite #127 Philadelphia, PA 19152 US >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 3 22:55:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA14192 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:55:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cc01du.unity.ncsu.edu (cc01du.unity.ncsu.edu [152.1.2.49]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA14184 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:55:31 -0400 (EDT) From: cddukes@unity.ncsu.edu Received: (from cddukes@localhost) by cc01du.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/UC02Jan97) id WAA06189; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706040255.WAA06189@cc01du.unity.ncsu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: spam Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 In-Reply-To: <199706040918.3152.out.bajez@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> References: <199706032241.SAA01499@eiffel.cse.psu.edu> Organization: North Carolina State University Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Because I would rather find a REAL address for spamford wallace and see what a tire iron will do to his knee caps. -- The following must be destroyed. Microsoft, Lyons Partnership, SoftCell. Balkanize USENET!! Vote from the rooftops!! Sending unsolicited commercial massmail to this account may result in a network outage for your site. Have a nice day. >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 4 03:06:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA16341 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:06:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk (pp@goggins.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA16337 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host mary.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:05:33 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Using 9fans leads to junk email! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Jun 1997 05:10:56 +1000." <199706040510.2561.out.bajes@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 08:05:29 +0100 From: Icarus Sparry Message-ID: <9706040805.aa10698@mary.bath.ac.uk> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >Finally, it has clicked! I am not posting news articles, >but the 9fans <-> comp.os.plan9 gateway is on my behalf! >Is there any chance that we could fit automatic "spam-trapping" >into the gateway? I am not sure what you are asking for here. Do you want the injection scripts to munge the 'From' address when they are posted to Usenet? If so I am not prepared to set up un-reply-able headers. I suppose I could set up a system like the typical anonymous forwarder service, and put in filters so that more obvious spam gets junked, but it seems like a lot of work to me for a small gain. Obviously every reply would also have to come through the machine on my desk. Icarus >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 4 03:29:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA16678 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:29:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk (ganymede.cegelecproj.co.uk [159.245.72.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA16674 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18029; Wed, 4 Jun 97 08:28:15 BST Received: from phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA08695; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:27:41 +0100 Received: by phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA01000; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:27:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:27:40 +0100 From: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk Message-Id: <199706040727.IAA01000@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Planation: X-Faces images can be viewed with the XFaces program To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Using 9fans leads to junk email! X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I agree with Icarus: sending out purposefully broken headers seems extremely wrong, and just takes the load off the intended recipient's machine - some parts of the infrastructure still have to deal with the junk traffic. A possibile compromise (depending on gateway software) might be to have forward/don't forward headers in the mail messages. If you don't want to risk spam, don't have your messages forwarded to the newsgroup. not great, but possibily bearable. >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 4 04:20:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id EAA17085 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 04:20:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from joeroute1.france3.fr (root@joeroute1.france3.fr [194.51.91.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA17077 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 04:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shlakensaft.mdrf.france3.fr by joeroute1.france3.fr (8.8.5/SMI-4.1) id KAA15809; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:27:01 +0200 Received: from system.mdrf.france3.fr (system.mdrf.france3.fr [10.175.0.53]) by shlakensaft.mdrf.france3.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13603; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:24:53 +0200 From: Boyd Roberts Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:15:46 +0200 To: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Using 9fans leads to junk email! In-Reply-To: <199706040727.IAA01000@phantom.cegelecproj.co.uk> Message-ID: <199706041015.25609.9.banod@france3.fr> X-UTM: N 31 447109 5411310 La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk I agree with Icarus: sending out purposefully broken headers seems extremely wrong, and just takes the load off the intended recipient's machine - some parts of the infrastructure still have to deal with the junk traffic. i refuse to mangle my address just because of these idiots. that's an admission of defeat. i have seen one such extreme reaction which adds 6 X- headers to explain how the guy's new temporary address scheme works. given that goes out with everything he sends it must be up there with the spammers. >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 4 13:32:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA22845 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:32:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22841 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:32:35 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Using 9fans leads to junk email! From: David Hogan Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 03:27:39 +1000 In-Reply-To: <9706040805.aa10698@mary.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199706050327.4702.out.bajid@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > >Is there any chance that we could fit automatic "spam-trapping" > >into the gateway? > I am not sure what you are asking for here. Do you want the injection > scripts to munge the 'From' address when they are posted to Usenet? If so In a nutshell! > I am not prepared to set up un-reply-able headers. I suppose I could set up > a system like the typical anonymous forwarder service, and put in filters > so that more obvious spam gets junked, but it seems like a lot of work to > me for a small gain. Obviously every reply would also have to come through > the machine on my desk. How about setting the From header to "9fans-request", or perhaps a separate auto-reply daemon; if someone reading the newsgroup wants to reply personally to someone who mailed the list, then tough! >From owner-9fans Thu Jun 5 02:47:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id CAA01943 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 02:47:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailbox2.ucsd.edu (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA01939 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 02:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jewel.ucsd.edu (jewel.ucsd.edu [132.239.121.100]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA21990 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jewel.ucsd.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA02827; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:44:51 -0700 From: eld@jewel.ucsd.edu (Eric Dorman) Message-Id: <199706050644.XAA02827@jewel.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Commercial Use of Plan 9 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:44:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199706021305.IAA24611@ns.dbSystems.com> from "G. David Butler" at Jun 2, 97 08:05:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Well I have waited long enough to post the results of my query. These > are the number of commitments: * some sorry numbers * > The message is, there is *no* opportuity for this business. That's sad. It'd be annoying to have to reinvent alot of wheels in something undeveloped like VSTa just to get to where Plan9 already is, particularly when I'm more interested in SPARCitectures rather than PC junk. Pretty irrelevant anyway, since I won't be able to get a driver for my weird framebuffers w/o a corporate presence. Sigh. What's funny is that alot of this so-called 'thin-client' garbage pushed in the trade rags lately is not unlike the Plan9 terminal/server relationship. Another wheel reinvented, but this time the Micro$loth way. > David Butler > gdb@dbSystems.com Regards, Eric Dorman Department of Radiology, UCSD Medical School Thornton Hospital edorman@tanya.ucsd.edu eld@mpl.ucsd.edu >From owner-9fans Thu Jun 5 03:35:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA02308 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 03:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02304 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 03:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA26115 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:36:19 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706050736.JAA26115@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Commercial Use of Plan 9 In-reply-to: Message from eld@jewel.ucsd.edu (Eric Dorman) of "Wed, 04 Jun 1997 23:44:51 MST." <199706050644.XAA02827@jewel.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 09:36:18 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > What's funny is that alot of this so-called 'thin-client' garbage > pushed in the trade rags lately is not unlike the Plan9 terminal/server > relationship. Another wheel reinvented, but this time the Micro$loth > way. > I've been meaning to draw up a list of features in Plan 9 I particularly like, hoping to get a feel why I like Plan 9 so much while nobody outside of a small circle seems to pay much attention to it. I regret, with many others, that there seems to be no future in buying the Plan 9 source licence from Lucent and turning the product into a commercial success. On the other hand, Lucent may be coerced into realising, if the information is properly presented, that Plan 9 may become a significant player in the future market. My gut feel is that MS Windows in whatever disguise is bloating too fast for hardware to keep up with its resource consumption. Nobody else is addressing the server market, nor is anyone looking at making the so-called thin client "thin". There are aspects of the present offerings in GUIs that, no matter how inelegant, are more readily accepted by the public than 8.5 and such issues need to be considered in further developments in Plan 9. But, most significantly, the CPU-server, IL (to the extent that I have looked at it), SMP capabilities and a good few other features of Plan 9, with very special mention owed to cross-platform development in the box, ought to be well worth a small investment. Perhaps the route to follow is to retain the part of the Plan 9 licence where kittens born in the same room as a Plan 9 device belong to Rob Pike, while at the same time putting the source (for Brazil, perhaps?) in the public domain. Basically, have Lucent set up a team to ccordinate public domain development of Plan 9/Brazil - use the Internet resources to decrease market dependence on existing operating systems. The "supported" version of the end product would then belong to Lucent and could conceivably be sold at a profit. Or is this just a pipe dream? -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Thu Jun 5 14:21:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA04356 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:21:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04352 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:21:02 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: I have been found worthy by Adaptec! From: David Hogan Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:12:12 +1000 Message-ID: <199706060412.6402.out.bajip@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Yesterday a package arrived in the mail for me, containing two manuals on the Adaptec AIC-7880 chip. Guess what I'll be doing on the weekend? :-) Unfortunately the manuals don't tell you what the microcode format is (one of them includes a brief summary of the available operations but doesn't describe what they do or how they are coded). But I reckon I'll be able to get these details out of the FreeBSD driver, which has a separate microcode assembler that it uses (complete with yacc grammar). I read most of the good bits last night; now I need to go and brush up on SCSI bus phases and messages... >From owner-9fans Fri Jun 6 14:33:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA19393 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nordwest.pop.de (mail.nordwest.pop.de [193.100.96.7]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19389 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from artcom2 by nordwest.pop.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wa3pA-0000wHC; Fri, 6 Jun 97 20:33 MES Subject: How to change partition sizes? From: Henner Gratz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:56:18 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9706061256.aa25863@artcom2.artcom-gmbh.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi! After several months of waiting for the availability of two IBM Ultra-Wide SCSI drives, I'm now able to install a `full' Plan-9 system at home (1 terminal, 1 CPU- and 1 file-server). Everything looks fine up at the moment, but I want the CPU-server to swap to the local EIDE-hard disc and not to the file-server AND I want/need a big (256MB) swap partition. I think I know how to swap to the local disc (change the rc-file of the CPU-server), but how can I change the partition-table while the system is running? At the moment authentication isn't configured, so there should be a standard 3-disc-system partition table active. Any hints? BTW, at the moment my CPU-server has 32MB of RAM and my file-server has 16MB. Is that enough? I think about upgrading the CPU-server to 64MB to avoid the long compilation/link times already mentioned in the 9fans-list. I also plan to upgrade the file-server to 48MB, but before I can do that, I need a 32bit driver for my BusLogic KT-958,i because of the 16MB-limit of the 1542-driver. That's all for now. 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Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans (minster put up a bit of a fight but i believe i've dealt with the mhw mail now. i'll soon know.) 16 mbytes is fine for a file server for a home installation, especially if you're using very fast discs. more memory than that is `better' since even more data comes directly from the file server's memory, which will be faster, but 16 mbytes is fine even for a small workgroup. by the way, i've been very happy with an AMD K5 as a fast bu inexpensive processor in a file server. one thing, though. in /sys/src/fs/port/main.c i changed conf.nfile = 30000; to if(conf.mem < 32*1024*1024) conf.nfile = 15000; else conf.nfile = 30000; to increase the amount of memory available for i/o buffers. i can't remember whether or not the change is necessary to run with less than 32 mbytes. without it, it's possible the kernel allocates so much to file and related structures that it either runs out of memory during startup configuration, or leaves only a derisory number of i/o buffers! as you say, swapping to the local disc is just a matter of doing swap /dev/hd0swap or swap '#H/hd0swap' in /rc/bin/cpurc. before you do that, use disk/prep /dev/hd0 on the cpu server (console) to rearrange the partition table as you like. i think disk/prep should be obvious to use (if you've got as far as you've got!) but take your time. reboot to use it. oh. you might want to update disk/prep first from plan9.bell-labs.com's update area; i think there are some changes there that are best applied before using it. >From owner-9fans Sat Jun 7 09:11:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA29488 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 09:11:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from caldo.demon.co.uk (none@caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29484 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 09:11:28 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199706071311.JAA29484@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:24:41 BST Subject: Re: How to change partition sizes? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>oh. you might want to update disk/prep first from plan9.bell-labs.com's >>update area; i think there are some changes there that are best >>applied before using it. ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update/cmd/disk/prep.rc >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 12:25:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA08581 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08577 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA11681 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:26:27 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706081626.SAA11681@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Clarifications required. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 18:26:26 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I am baffled: I have successfully set up a 3-disk installation of Plan 9 which can access the ATAPI CD-ROM, even when I use BOOTP on a network Unix server to supply "pcdisk". However, if I use a sligthly modified distribution floppy to perform the identical booting operation, then "/dev/atapi1disk" does not appear. I have read the documentation as carefully as I could, I actually do not understand (a) where the kernel determines whether the CDROM drives does or does not exist and (b) what could conceivably be different between the floppy and the hard disk configuration. I have a fairly trivial PLAN9.INI file: ether0=type=WD8003 port=0x300 mem=0xd0000 irq=9 size=8192 mouseport=0 monitor=multisync65 vgasize=640x480x1 ata1=irq=15 cdrom0=type=atapi port=0x1f8 irq=15 slave bootfile=e!0 A few points to note: (1) if I leave the "bootfile" line in the PLAN9.INI file on the hard disk, B.COM reboots immediately after displaying the ETHER adaptor message, which looks fine. It boots automatically from the BOOTP server without the line. Using e!0 as a command line parameter has the identical effect. (2) The cdrom0 line is a dud. I presume it doesn't any harm, but it is almost certainly not correct. (3) I have noticed a peculiar habit in the past that may have some bearing here: I have two Ethernet adaptors I have used in this context: the one mentioned above which was originally used in the CPU/Auth server and a similar, if older, version I used on my workstation. In playing around I tended to use whichever was in the remaining machine (the 486 blew) at the time. The peculiar effect was that the BOOTP operation would complete successfully, including linking to the U9FS server using the adaptor mentioned in the PLAN9.INI file, but if I used the other one (and adjusted PLAN9.INI accordingly), the kernel would load, but the network settings would not be available. BOOT would prompt for them, but seemed to fail to set them, as connection to the file server would time out. The second adaptor had different settings, naturally: ether0=type=WD8003 port=0x280 mem=0xd0000 irq=5 size=8192 It gave me the impression that "9pcdisk" actually expected the default settings and did not obey the environment settings for "ether0", given that kernel loading had by then taken place correctly. I am no longer certain, but I believe that "9pc", which I used to load to the workstation with the second Ether adaptor, behaved perfectly well with it. (4) I think I understand why "9pcdisk" does not include "tcp" in its list of available sources for the root filesystem, but I would be pleased to hear whether in fact it is hard coded to do this. I'd look at the source if I didn't expect to have to look hard :-) --- 0 --- On a separate note: I also tried to configure a miserly 386DX/40 to operate as a file server, but it seems that either 8Meg of RAM is insufficient or lack of a math coprocessor is a problem. The system _did_ complain of a memory related failure. Is there a way around this problem? And a last issue: u9fs doesn't allow a second connection from the same client, presumably a TCP/IP problem with the same port number and machine address being used. Is it possible for u9fs to establish that the remote has in fact disconnected or has been rebooted? I know this is a TCP/IP question rather than a Plan 9 one, but I'd appreciate some guidelines on how to get rid of the situation where I have to kill off u9fs everytime I reboot a workstation. And, on a similar note: where does Bell-Labs's CPU server bootstrap from? I use the Unix BOOTP server to get things underway, but then I have to put it to sleep so that the CPU server gets a turn at playing (I guess if it was a faster computer, it would beat the Unix server and everything would be just fine). Also, I like having BOOTP information for all hosts on my network on the central server, which is where chaos ensues from, I presume. Unfortunately, both in terms of the licence and through lack of confidence, I am not comfortable using Plan 9 as the primary server. And one more point, from a rather ignorant point of view: using RAW socket calls for the IL implementation used in the Unix based authentication server has apparently a serious performance impact. My thoughts run along the lines of using BPFs for the same purpose; I wonder if anyone here can authoritatively tell me whether I'm being stupid or if in fact this is plausible. I'm tempted to add IL to my BSD kernel, but I'm extremely wary of mucking about with something I'm not really comfortable with; using BPF at user level would be at least a step in the right direction. I'm currently enjoying Plan 9 on a theoretical level, I've had the CDROM distribution for over a year, now, maybe considerably longer, but getting enough equipment together to make it tick nicely is quite a task. Which reminds me of the very last question, the FAQ is rather silent on this issue. DMA on the Adaptec 1542 becomes a problem above 16Meg of RAM because of the ISA bus width (24 bits of address only). I know that the architecture oriented OSs such as Linux and FreeBSD handle this through "bounce buffers" while NetBSD-current now (as of yesterday) has a machine independent, brand new implementation of DMA operations which, amongst other goals, takes care of this problem. What is the situation in Plan 9? I imagine two scenarios, but I don't kown how best to check: (a) the implementation of the driver for the Adaptec need not be architecture independent, hence "bounce buffers" are part of it (ugly, but reasonable) or (b) the kernel ensures that DMA transfers occur in the lower 16Meg of RAM by some clever ploy (which presumably is how NetBSD-current does it). Will somebody please let me know? Thank you all. -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 12:49:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA08818 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:49:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from caldo.demon.co.uk (none@caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08814 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199706081649.MAA08814@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:00:56 BST Subject: Re: Clarifications required. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>don't kown how best to check: (a) the implementation of the driver >>for the Adaptec need not be architecture independent, hence "bounce >>buffers" are part of it (ugly, but reasonable) or (b) the kernel >>ensures that DMA transfers occur in the lower 16Meg of RAM by some >>clever ploy (which presumably is how NetBSD-current does it). pc/scsi.c tries to get it to come out right (assuming you've applied the boddles from plan9.bell-labs.com). for non-bus-mastering devices, pc/dma.c sorts it out. it's still not completely right (since it relies on some details of the underlying implementation), but putting that crud in the port part isn't right either. the ugliness is definitely machine-dependent and should stay there. even within the PC architecture you find that different PCI bridge chips -- with the same basic part number -- might or might not provide extensions to the original DMA controller to allow 32-bit (or it might be 27-bit) addressing. they don't always provide the extensions the same way. they optionally provide 16-bit count-by-byte extensions that on closer inspection turn out to not to do what you might think. of course PCI and EISA have different solutions. it's a nightmare. what isn't machine-dependent is the need to allocate some memory from special regions, and that could usefully be supported by the machine-independent part, at which point providing correct PC-dependent code is easy. that seems to me to be the right distribution of effort. >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 12:50:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA08918 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:50:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from caldo.demon.co.uk (none@caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08912 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199706081650.MAA08912@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:02:08 BST Subject: Re: Clarifications required. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans squeezing the conf.nfile parameter in /sys/src/fs/port/main.c will be required to get an 8mbyte file server running. it will run out of memory immediately, otherwise. >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 13:32:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA09287 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09283 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA11787 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:33:25 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706081733.TAA11787@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Clarifications required. In-reply-to: Message from forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk of "Sun, 08 Jun 1997 17:00:56 -0000." <199706081649.MAA08814@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 19:33:25 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >From "forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk": > > pc/scsi.c tries to get it to come out right (assuming you've > applied the boddles from plan9.bell-labs.com). for non-bus-mastering > devices, pc/dma.c sorts it out. it's still not completely right > (since it relies on some details of the underlying implementation), > but putting that crud in the port part isn't right > either. the ugliness is definitely machine-dependent and should > stay there. I have to agree. I'm having CD-ROM disappearance problems, so I may have to mess around a lot before I can apply the boddles successfully. I'll have a look at how the NetBSD engineers tackled it as soon as I get a chance. I do know it is a total redesign of the DMA management. even within the PC architecture you find that > different PCI bridge chips -- with the same basic part number -- > might or might not provide extensions to the original DMA controller > to allow 32-bit (or it might be 27-bit) addressing. they don't always > provide the extensions the same way. they optionally provide 16-bit > count-by-byte extensions that on closer inspection turn out to > not to do what you might think. of course PCI and EISA have > different solutions. it's a nightmare. > I'm no fan of the PC architecture, either. > what isn't machine-dependent is the need to allocate some > memory from special regions, and that could usefully be supported > by the machine-independent part, at which point providing > correct PC-dependent code is easy. > that seems to me to be the right distribution of effort. Again, I think that's how NetBSD does it, and Jason Thorpe, who designed it and implemented was rightly proud of the final product. Plan 9 may be a bad place to adopt it into, but well worth knowing about. -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 13:33:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA09397 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09391 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA11806 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:34:57 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706081734.TAA11806@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Clarifications required. In-reply-to: Message from forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk of "Sun, 08 Jun 1997 17:02:08 -0000." <199706081650.MAA08912@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 19:34:57 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >From "forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk": > squeezing the conf.nfile parameter in /sys/src/fs/port/main.c > will be required to get an 8mbyte file server running. > it will run out of memory immediately, otherwise. Will try it. I was merely mucking about, and I don't recall these details from the FAQ or elsewhere. I'll try to contribute answers to these questions to the FAQ in the near future. -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 14:17:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA09786 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:17:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailsorter-2.alma.webtv.net (mailsorter-2.isp.alma.webtv.net [205.180.153.86]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09782 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.87]) by mailsorter-2.alma.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.13may97) with ESMTP id LAA20166; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24234; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706081816.LAA24234@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> From: dhog@webtv.net (David Hogan) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:16:57 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: ATAPI Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Another change I made was to make the driver send an "ATAPI Soft Reset" before checking for the signature. This is cmd 0x08. This probably needs to be followed by a delay (I have 20ms, not sure if it is correct). I also made some other changes to the stuff that looks at the status to see if there is an ordinary drive there; I'll send the patch tomorrow. David Hogan http://dhog.g7.org/dhog/ >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 14:52:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA10153 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10147 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA11920 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:53:23 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706081853.UAA11920@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: A pointer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 20:53:22 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It seems that B.COM is at least partly to blame for the disappearance of the ATAPI device from the kernel: I have tried a DOS floppy boot, followed by using the PCDIST boot floppy from which I merely executed B.COM and "/dev/atapi1disk" is now happily accessible. What could it be in "B.COM" that somehow conveys to the kernel an absence of ATAPI device? The entry was to be found in "/env/ata1". -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 14:57:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA10351 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10347 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA11938 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:58:47 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706081858.UAA11938@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Reply-to munging. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 20:58:47 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans There's a fair furore currently raging on the WU ftpd list, owing to a poster having accidentally sent a private message to the list :-) Whereas it seems that 9fans understand better than WU ftpd fans how to use their mailer, perhaps it would be better if this list went along with the norm, which is to leave the Reply-to header unchanged (for a while I thought "sender" would make an improved Reply-to header, and it would be in the absence of a user-specified Reply-to) for those, possibly rare instances where the writer actually wants the return address to be different. As I said, it seems no great bother, but the points made on WU ftpd and elsewhere (I have a pointer to a Web document that goes into some details) seem to me quite valid. -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 16:47:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA11128 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:47:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailsorter-1.alma.webtv.net (mailsorter-1.isp.alma.webtv.net [205.180.153.85]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11124 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.87]) by mailsorter-1.alma.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.13may97) with ESMTP id NAA15135; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23541; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706081803.LAA23541@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> From: dhog@webtv.net (David Hogan) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:03:01 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Clarifications required. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I had the same problem with ATAPI drives as you. I made a few quick hacks to devata.c to make it work; I have been planning to do a bit more research to determine if I'm doing the right thing... The main problem is that the "reset" option in plan9.ini is being parsed after it is actually needed; you'll have to rearrange the code which parses the options (carefully!). Then you must put something like ata0=type=foo reset=1 in plan9.ini (forget if that's the right syntax). This will reset your ATAPI drive, causing it to present a valid ATAPI signature -- I hope! There might be some other changes you need; I'll have a poke around and post some diffs from a real computer tomorrow... You might also want to try making the ATAPI drive the secondary master instead of the primary slave (aren't PCs kinky?). There's something in the code which handles that case differently; it may cause it to work... David Hogan http://dhog.g7.org/dhog/ >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 8 17:56:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA11571 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:56:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailsorter-1.alma.webtv.net (mailsorter-1.isp.alma.webtv.net [205.180.153.85]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11567 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.86]) by mailsorter-1.alma.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.13may97) with ESMTP id OAA01007; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19531; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706082156.OAA19531@mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net> From: dhog@webtv.net (David Hogan) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:56:04 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Reply-to munging. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I agree that the mailing list software should not change the Reply-To line. I've raised this in the past, but I wasn't able to convince anybody. David Hogan http://dhog.g7.org/dhog/ >From owner-9fans Mon Jun 9 01:07:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA14396 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:07:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14392 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706090507.BAA14392@cse.psu.edu> From: jmk@achille.cs.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:51:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Clarifications required. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>don't kown how best to check: (a) the implementation of the driver >>for the Adaptec need not be architecture independent, hence "bounce >>buffers" are part of it (ugly, but reasonable) or (b) the kernel >>ensures that DMA transfers occur in the lower 16Meg of RAM by some >>clever ploy (which presumably is how NetBSD-current does it). pc/scsi.c tries to get it to come out right (assuming you've applied the boddles from plan9.bell-labs.com). for non-bus-mastering devices, pc/dma.c sorts it out. it's still not completely right (since it relies on some details of the underlying implementation), but putting that crud in the port part isn't right either. the ugliness is definitely machine-dependent and should stay there. even within the PC architecture you find that different PCI bridge chips -- with the same basic part number -- might or might not provide extensions to the original DMA controller to allow 32-bit (or it might be 27-bit) addressing. they don't always provide the extensions the same way. they optionally provide 16-bit count-by-byte extensions that on closer inspection turn out to not to do what you might think. of course PCI and EISA have different solutions. it's a nightmare. what isn't machine-dependent is the need to allocate some memory from special regions, and that could usefully be supported by the machine-independent part, at which point providing correct PC-dependent code is easy. that seems to me to be the right distribution of effort. Brazil has routines to allocate/free memory from special regions, currently used to allocate unbacked physical memory for things like framebuffers and to allocate unused space <16MB for PCMCIA or PCI devices. The only architecture we have which has any need for these is the PC. >From owner-9fans Mon Jun 9 14:11:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA21504 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:11:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21496 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:11:00 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: A pointer... From: David Hogan Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:51:00 +1000 In-Reply-To: <199706081853.UAA11920@foible.proxima.alt.za> Message-ID: <199706100351.13550.out.bajiy@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > From: Lucio de Re > It seems that B.COM is at least partly to blame for the disappearance of > the ATAPI device from the kernel: I have tried a DOS floppy boot, > followed by using the PCDIST boot floppy from which I merely executed > B.COM and "/dev/atapi1disk" is now happily accessible. This probably means that b.com is putting the drive into a state where it no longer presents an ATAPI signature. You need to make devata.c do an ATAPI Soft Reset so that it can recognize it. Try this: 15c15 < #define DPRINT if(0)print --- > #define DPRINT if(1)kprint 159d158 < uchar resetok; 357c356 < atactlrprobe(int ctlrno, int irq) --- > atactlrprobe(int ctlrno, int irq, int resetok) 400c399 < if(ctlr->resetok){ --- > if(resetok){ 407a407 > return -1; 464c464,465 < if(status && (status & (Sbusy|Serr)) == 0 && (error & ~0x80) == 0x01) --- > /* I've fooled around with the next line, not sure what should be there */ > if((status&~0x50) && (status & (Sbusy|Serr)) == 0 && (error & ~0x80) == 0x01) 466a468,469 > outb(port+Pcmd, 0x08); /* ATAPI soft reset */ > delay(20); /* is this right? check the spec... */ 470c473 < inb(port+Pcylmsb), inb(port+Pcyllsb)); --- > msb, lsb); 500c503 < int ctlrno, driveno, i, slave, spindown; --- > int ctlrno, driveno, i, slave, spindown, resetok; 513c516,523 < if(atactlrprobe(ctlrno, Int0vec+isa.irq)) --- > resetok = 0; > for(i = 0; i < isa.nopt; i++){ > DPRINT("ata%d: opt %s\n", ctlrno, isa.opt[i]); > if(strcmp(isa.opt[i], "reset") == 0) > resetok = 1; > } > > if(atactlrprobe(ctlrno, Int0vec+isa.irq, resetok)) 517d526 < DPRINT("ata%d: opt %s\n", ctlrno, isa.opt[i]); 539,540d547 < else if(strcmp(isa.opt[i], "reset") == 0) < atactlr[ctlrno]->resetok = 1; 643a651,652 > if(dp == 0) > return; 1854,1855c1863,1864 < print("cmd=%2.2uX, lastcmd=%2.2uX ", cp->cmd, cp->lastcmd); < print("cdsize count %d, status 0x%2.2uX, error 0x%2.2uX\n", --- > DPRINT("cmd=%2.2uX, lastcmd=%2.2uX ", cp->cmd, cp->lastcmd); > DPRINT("cdsize count %d, status 0x%2.2uX, error 0x%2.2uX\n", 1857d1865 < error(Eio); >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 02:13:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id CAA29572 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA29568 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA00898 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:14:21 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706100614.IAA00898@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: A pointer... In-reply-to: Message from David Hogan of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:51:00 +1000." <199706100351.13550.out.bajiy@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:14:20 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > This probably means that b.com is putting the drive into a state > where it no longer presents an ATAPI signature. You need to make > devata.c do an ATAPI Soft Reset so that it can recognize it. > I hadn't thought of that, although a previous suggestion from you certainly now rings a bell. I'm leaving Plan 9 dangling until the weekend, but I'll do as you ask as soon as possible. Two questions, in the meantime: 1. Would I be extremely foolish or brilliantly adventurous to set up most of my file services on a PCFS? I'm tired of distributing my data on a number of servers and I think I can justify a separate PC for my file server, if its reliability is at the right level. Not trying to cast aspersions on Plan 9, quite the contrary, but the hardware requirements make me a touch sensitive :-) 2. I have this 1Gig drive that begs to be Plan 9 bootable. It was originally constructed as the slave to a puny 40Meg, but now I'd like to have a self-contained workstation. How difficult would it be to upgrade the boot code and b.com to bootstrap Plan 9 from a dedicated Plan 9 IDE drive? Three questions, actually: 3. Presumably the kind folk at Bell Labs have rejected the possibility of using the PC BIOS for NVRAM. I just want an indication as to whether some other EEROM or similar would be usable instead of a floppy or disk partition for the purpose (I seem to recall we're dealing with a 512 byte entry for a CPU server, I'm not sure what a PCFS requirements are). In fact, I'm tempted to use a BIOS EPROM, is this entirely specious? Thanks, everybody. -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 12:31:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA05150 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:31:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailbox2.ucsd.edu (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05146 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jewel.ucsd.edu (jewel.ucsd.edu [132.239.121.100]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jewel.ucsd.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12204; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:29:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:29:13 -0700 From: eld@jewel.ucsd.edu (Eric Dorman) Message-Id: <199706101629.JAA12204@jewel.ucsd.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: A pointer... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > 1. Would I be extremely foolish or brilliantly adventurous to set > up most of my file services on a PCFS? I'm tired of distributing > my data on a number of servers and I think I can justify a separate > PC for my file server, if its reliability is at the right level. > > Not trying to cast aspersions on Plan 9, quite the contrary, but > the hardware requirements make me a touch sensitive :-) Hardware requirements? I've run a fileserver on a P133+32Mb with a BTC956 scsi and 2G of disk; aside from the disk (which one would have to buy anyway) that's not much of a computer these days :) It served a P200 cpuserver, a few pc terminals and a few SLCs just fine. The real limitation was that w/o support for multiple networks the cpu<>fs link was not nearly fast enough, sharing bandwidth with the terminals. I think I'm not sure exactly what sort of problem you want to solve, though.. > 3. Presumably the kind folk at Bell Labs have rejected the possibility > of using the PC BIOS for NVRAM. I just want an indication as to whether > some other EEROM or similar would be usable instead of a floppy or > disk partition for the purpose (I seem to recall we're dealing with a > 512 byte entry for a CPU server, I'm not sure what a PCFS requirements > are). In fact, I'm tempted to use a BIOS EPROM, is this entirely > specious? Wouldn't that be nonportable? I guess most 'modern' motherboards support reprogramming of their EPROMs in-place, but I be somewhat surprised if mfgrs used the same protocol to do it. Note I haven't actually *looked* hard at it... Seems to me however (i haven't actually used this though; I never used auth) that writing the key on a floppy allows you to easily replace a cpu in the event of hardware failure; just move the floppy to another machine, touch up ndb, boot from the network, and viola, new cpuserver. Just messydos and b.com and the signature on the floppy... > Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) > Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. Eric Dorman edorman@tanya.ucsd.edu >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 12:53:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA05549 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:53:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nordwest.pop.de (mail.nordwest.pop.de [193.100.96.7]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05543 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from artcom2 by nordwest.pop.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wbUAO-0001jBC; Tue, 10 Jun 97 18:53 MES Subject: Re^2: How to change partition sizes? From: Henner Gratz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:37:53 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In-Reply-To: <199706071309.JAA29353@cse.psu.edu> from "forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk" at Jun 7, 97 01:22:26 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9706101737.aa15966@artcom2.artcom-gmbh.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hi! First I have to thank for the replies to my question. I think I will try to make the next steps towards a full system on saturday. I hope there won't be too much problems... f > 16 mbytes is fine for a file server for a home installation, f > especially if you're using very fast discs. I've chosen 16MB because of the 24bit limit of the Adaptec emulation. f > one thing, though. in /sys/src/fs/port/main.c i changed f > conf.nfile = 30000; f > f > to f > f > if(conf.mem < 32*1024*1024) f > conf.nfile = 15000; f > else f > conf.nfile = 30000; f > f > to increase the amount of memory available for i/o buffers. f > i can't remember whether or not the change is necessary to run f > with less than 32 mbytes. without it, it's possible the kernel allocates f > so much to file and related structures that it either runs out of memory f > during startup configuration, or leaves only a derisory number of i/o buffers! It would be very bad, if the file-server won't run with 16MB. If not, I have to install the CD-ROM on the CPU-server first, have to apply the patches and finally have to make new kernels. At the moment my Plan-9 system programming skills aren't very high. I would prefer to have a full system running before starting to modify anything. f > ...How to change the swap-file... f > I think disk/prep should be obvious to use (if you've got f > as far as you've got!) but take your time. reboot to use it. f > oh. you might want to update disk/prep first from plan9.bell-labs.com's f > update area; i think there are some changes there that are best f > applied before using it. Can I change the partition table while the CPU-server's root-file-system is the one on the local IDE-disc? Or has it to come from a file-server? Is there a way to install the 4 diskette-system using the new partition-table, or will the table be replaced by the default table? Again, thank you very much for your help! Regards, Henner >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 12:53:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA05574 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:53:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nordwest.pop.de (mail.nordwest.pop.de [193.100.96.7]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05548 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from artcom2 by nordwest.pop.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wbUAR-0001soC; Tue, 10 Jun 97 18:53 MES Subject: Re^2: Clarifications required. From: Henner Gratz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:41:33 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In-Reply-To: <199706081803.LAA23541@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> from "David Hogan" at Jun 8, 97 11:03:01 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9706101741.aa16039@artcom2.artcom-gmbh.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans dh> You might also want to try making dh> the ATAPI drive the secondary dh> master instead of the primary dh> slave (aren't PCs kinky?). There's dh> something in the code which handles dh> that case differently; it may cause it dh> to work... It has worked for me. I installed a 4 diskette-system on my PC and after that it was no problem to access the CD-ROM via the /dev/atapi2... device. ---Henner >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 12:53:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA05584 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:53:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nordwest.pop.de (mail.nordwest.pop.de [193.100.96.7]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05565 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from artcom2 by nordwest.pop.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wbUAT-0001M2C; Tue, 10 Jun 97 18:53 MES Subject: VGA hell again From: Henner Gratz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9706101759.aa16164@artcom2.artcom-gmbh.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello again! When I installed my CPU-server last week, I have had problems with my Hercules Stingray 64/Video VGA card. As expected, the card was recognized when Plan-9 booted (I've used the current 4 diskette set), but it seems, that it wasn't initialized correctly. At least I didn't get something readable on my screen (using 640x480x1 on a standard - no multi-scan - VGA monitore). I have had similiar problems with a Hercules Dynamite card on my terminal-PC. That time the cause was a re-design of the card; Hercules simply used other IC's. Perhaps it's the same with the Stingray. So is there anybody out there using a Stingray 64/Video VGA card like my one? My one only has two big ASICs on it - the first is labeled ARK2000MT 96111120 - the second is labeled ICS GENDAC ICS5342-3 9548/510393 How has a correct entry in vgadb for this cards to look like? BTW, I think it's not a good idea to let Plan-9 initialize the VGA card when a new installed system is booted for the first time. If something fails - as in my case - you have to edit vgadb to remove a possibly wrong entry, but that's not easy without a (more or less) readable screen-output. The system should use the CGA mode until it is told to use a special driver. Another question I have is: For what is the diskette image disk1.nvd in the pcdist-directory of plan9.bell-labs.com good? It seems to be identical with the disk1-image? Tschuess, Henner >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 13:01:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA06059 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06046 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA02716 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:03:08 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706101703.TAA02716@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: A pointer... In-reply-to: Message from eld@jewel.ucsd.edu (Eric Dorman) of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:29:13 MST." <199706101629.JAA12204@jewel.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:03:07 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I wrote: > > Not trying to cast aspersions on Plan 9, quite the contrary, but > > the hardware requirements make me a touch sensitive :-) I was thinking in term of the quality of hardware. Here in South Africa we often have little choice on the barrel scrapings that become available (one can be fussy, but the exchange rate soon straightens that out :-( > > Hardware requirements? I've run a fileserver on a P133+32Mb > with a BTC956 scsi and 2G of disk; aside from the disk (which one > would have to buy anyway) that's not much of a computer these days :) > It served a P200 cpuserver, a few pc terminals and a few SLCs > just fine. The real limitation was that w/o support for multiple > networks the cpu<>fs link was not nearly fast enough, sharing bandwidth > with the terminals. > I did consider that, which in any event is not a problem: there would be fewer than ten computers, all included. And I'm not convinced that a kernel capable of handling multiprocessors can't be tweaked to manage a 100BaseT card on one side and 10Base2 on another :-) Of course, I'll listen to words of wisdom on this score. I do like the thought of using 100BaseT where Bell Labs use a Cyclone connection :-) > I think I'm not sure exactly what sort of problem you want to solve, > though.. > My affection for Plan 9 says I should minimise the impact DOS, Novell, NT and even FreeBSD make on my system (all of these have a place in my somewhat cramped office). I actually have a mild hassle in my hands, sharing the "HOME" filesystem amongst all these is non-trivial. > Wouldn't that be nonportable? I guess most 'modern' motherboards > support reprogramming of their EPROMs in-place, but I be somewhat > surprised if mfgrs used the same protocol to do it. Note I haven't > actually *looked* hard at it... > Portability wouldn't be much of an issue, and I hadn't thought of sneaking it into the actual BIOS chip, I was thinking of the CMOS ROM - I like that thought :-) Not that I don't appreciate portability, it's just that this reduces failure points (you'll be amazed how many 3.5" floppies - we call them stiffies here, which seems to confuse americans - I have discarded in the past few days. I no longer know which floppy drive I can trust. > Seems to me however (i haven't actually used this though; I never used auth) > that writing the key on a floppy allows you to easily replace a cpu in the event > of hardware failure; just move the floppy to another machine, touch > up ndb, boot from the network, and viola, new cpuserver. Just messydos > and b.com and the signature on the floppy... > I was only thinking of a point of failure situation. But of course the Fileserver needs to boot off floppy (not if I can help it, but I suspect I'm going to lose on this one :-) I also don't think the CPU server can keep the key on floppy, it seems hellbent on using the hard drive. Also not a train smash, just me speculating how much one can tighten up Plan 9. (I'll trade the freedom to do things excitingly, as Plan 9 seems to have benefitted from for the financial rewards of doing things for marketing, as Microsoft chose to do, any day. Call me a romantic, I like Plan 9.) -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 13:11:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA06296 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:11:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06292 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706101711.NAA06292@cse.psu.edu> From: jmk@achille.cs.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:08:29 -0400 Subject: re: VGA hell again Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans - the first is labeled ARK2000MT 96111120 - the second is labeled ICS GENDAC ICS5342-3 9548/510393 How has a correct entry in vgadb for this cards to look like? That's the same combination used on the Diamond Stealth64 Graphics 2001 ctlr 0xC0083="Stealth64 Graphics 2001" # Diamond Stealth64 Graphics 2001 link=vga ramdac=ics534x-135 ctlr=ark2000pv linear=1 hwgc=ark2000pvhwgc You could try that (no guarantees). You will probably have to make sure you have all the patches for aux/vga installed. >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 13:25:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA06618 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:25:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailbox2.ucsd.edu (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06610 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jewel.ucsd.edu (jewel.ucsd.edu [132.239.121.100]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05879 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jewel.ucsd.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA12346; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:22:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:22:25 -0700 From: eld@jewel.ucsd.edu (Eric Dorman) Message-Id: <199706101722.KAA12346@jewel.ucsd.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: A pointer... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Portability wouldn't be much of an issue, and I hadn't thought of > sneaking it into the actual BIOS chip, I was thinking of the > CMOS ROM - I like that thought :-) Not that I don't appreciate > portability, it's just that this reduces failure points (you'll > be amazed how many 3.5" floppies - we call them stiffies here, > which seems to confuse americans - I have discarded in the past > few days. I no longer know which floppy drive I can trust. Yeah; I've had the best luck with Sonys, but that's only a few slices above the rest. I still have to throw away quite a few of them. I can't say I now if there is much space in the cmos.. I guess if the signature was short enough one could squeeze it in there somehow. > > Seems to me however (i haven't actually used this though; I never used auth) > > that writing the key on a floppy allows you to easily replace a cpu in the event > > of hardware failure; just move the floppy to another machine, touch > > up ndb, boot from the network, and viola, new cpuserver. Just messydos > > and b.com and the signature on the floppy... > > > I was only thinking of a point of failure situation. But of course the > Fileserver needs to boot off floppy (not if I can help it, but I > suspect I'm going to lose on this one :-) Heh; In our lab I had one pc that had the latest working copies of the kernel binaries. That machine booted Plan9 from it's own IDE, and then could serve bootp to the rest of the universe. It was kind-of a pain updating kernels though; more an accident of history than planned that way =:) > I also don't think the CPU server can keep the key on floppy, it seems > hellbent on using the hard drive. Also not a train smash, just me > speculating how much one can tighten up Plan 9. No doubt there's some way to change that; however if one can glean the key from CMOS, then that's better. I think the only real problem then is getting the CMOS programmed w/o getting the BIOS annoyed. > (I'll trade the freedom to do things excitingly, as Plan 9 seems to have > benefitted from for the financial rewards of doing things for marketing, > as Microsoft chose to do, any day. Call me a romantic, I like Plan 9.) > Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Indeed; The slick architecture and intelligent sharing of resources is quite appealing, as well. It's a pity Lucent took the high road with respect to the commercial binary redistribution policy (shutting out small operators) but it's not surprising; they expect some return for the investment. Regards, Eric Dorman edorman@tanya.ucsd.edu >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 14:00:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA07234 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:00:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07229 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:00:15 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: A pointer... From: David Hogan Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:29:57 +1000 In-Reply-To: <199706100614.IAA00898@foible.proxima.alt.za> Message-ID: <199706110329.15496.out.bajod@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > From: Lucio de Re > 2. I have this 1Gig drive that begs to be Plan 9 bootable. It was > originally constructed as the slave to a puny 40Meg, but now I'd > like to have a self-contained workstation. How difficult would it > be to upgrade the boot code and b.com to bootstrap Plan 9 from a > dedicated Plan 9 IDE drive? It does this already :-) Just use disk/format -b and create a DOS partition just big enough to hold b.com... I haven't tried this, but I can't see any reason why it shouldn't work. An advantage of this method is that you will no longer see that annoying "Starting MS-DOS" message when you boot your workstation... If you want your disk to be completely DOS-less, well, I dunno. It should be possible to write an alternative boot block which reads b.com from a known range of sectors, but why go to all that trouble when the existing method works? > Three questions, actually: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. > 3. Presumably the kind folk at Bell Labs have rejected the possibility > of using the PC BIOS for NVRAM. I just want an indication as to whether > some other EEROM or similar would be usable instead of a floppy or > disk partition for the purpose (I seem to recall we're dealing with a > 512 byte entry for a CPU server, I'm not sure what a PCFS requirements > are). In fact, I'm tempted to use a BIOS EPROM, is this entirely > specious? The nvram uses less than 512 bytes; you are just seeing a 512 byte partition because that's the block size, and therefore the minimum (non-trivial) partition size. OTOH, Plan 9 uses more nvram than is available in the RTC nvram, which is all you've got on an old PC. Many recent PCs have flash roms. There's the system bios, which I don't know much about; I think the format is proprietary. My motherboard's bios has some space reserved for a "user logo"; no idea if this is a "standard" feature. There's also an area for storing the "ESCD" database (a Plug & Play thing for handling legacy devices). It might be possible to encapsulate the auth data inside that, but again, I don't know if the location or the format are standard (haven't read those docs yet). On the PCI front, things are much brighter. PCI defines a way of locating (and relocating) the bios roms on PCI cards. It also defines the format of the data, and permits multiple "code images" to be stored in a single PCI rom. It would be almost trivial to encapsulate the auth data inside one of these (code type 0x39 should still be unassigned :-) I don't know about the roms on PnP cards; I think PnP defines the format, but I haven't read that part yet. Any _real_ PC for running Plan 9 on has at least one PCI card anyway :-) I've been toying with the idea of replacing one of my bios images with a hacked version of b.com. Booting isn't fast enough... Don't try this at home, kids! >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 14:36:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA07948 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07940 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA02970 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:38:11 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706101838.UAA02970@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: A pointer... In-reply-to: Message from David Hogan of "Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:29:57 +1000." <199706110329.15496.out.bajod@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:38:10 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > From: Lucio de Re > > How difficult would it > > be to upgrade the boot code and b.com to bootstrap Plan 9 from a > > dedicated Plan 9 IDE drive? David Hogan replied: > It does this already :-) Just use disk/format -b and create a DOS > partition just big enough to hold b.com... I haven't tried this, > but I can't see any reason why it shouldn't work. > I'll have to rebuild the disk, but I had it coming to me :-) Too much mucking about. Nice suggestion... > An advantage of this method is that you will no longer see > that annoying "Starting MS-DOS" message when you boot your > workstation... > I love it! Whose idea was the (bill,trog) uid, gid mapping of DOS FS images? I'm sure there's a lawsuit lurking in there, let me enjoy it while it lasts, may it be as long as the CDROM survives :-) > If you want your disk to be completely DOS-less, well, I dunno. > It should be possible to write an alternative boot block which > reads b.com from a known range of sectors, but why go to all that > trouble when the existing method works? > That's DOSless enough for me. B.COM will be executed by the bootstrap loader. The DOS partition is just FAT format; why, I may use the ten-bit version that is probably no longer supported by MSDOS :-) > > Three questions, actually: > > Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. > True. At least, not anymore... > > 3. Presumably the kind folk at Bell Labs have rejected the possibility > > of using the PC BIOS for NVRAM. [ ... ] > > [ ... ] In fact, I'm tempted to use a BIOS EPROM, is this entirely > > specious? > > The nvram uses less than 512 bytes; you are just seeing a 512 byte > partition because that's the block size, and therefore the minimum > (non-trivial) partition size. > I gathered as much. I think I knew how big it was, once, a long time ago... > OTOH, Plan 9 uses more nvram than is available in the RTC nvram, which > is all you've got on an old PC. > Also true, but no longer really relevant. I've seen my first mainboard failure, and I can't actually replace it, 486 mainboards are no longer stocked - nor are CPUs. > Many recent PCs have flash roms. There's the system bios, which > I don't know much about; I think the format is proprietary. My > motherboard's bios has some space reserved for a "user logo"; no > idea if this is a "standard" feature. There's also an area for > storing the "ESCD" database (a Plug & Play thing for handling > legacy devices). It might be possible to encapsulate the auth > data inside that, but again, I don't know if the location or the > format are standard (haven't read those docs yet). > Excellent places, all of them. Portability goes out the window, but I think that's forgivable. A small utility to poke the right bits in the right place often comes with the mainboard utilities. Matching it in the bootstrap loader would be a minor pain. > On the PCI front, things are much brighter. PCI defines a way > of locating (and relocating) the bios roms on PCI cards. It also > defines the format of the data, and permits multiple "code images" > to be stored in a single PCI rom. It would be almost trivial to > encapsulate the auth data inside one of these (code type 0x39 should > still be unassigned :-) > Also an interesting avenue to explore. I know nothing about PCI and I'm wary of a loose standard as it seems to be. Perhaps further down the line (to think that I designed and built 8-bit PC adapters a few years ago). > I don't know about the roms on PnP cards; I think PnP defines > the format, but I haven't read that part yet. Any _real_ PC > for running Plan 9 on has at least one PCI card anyway :-) > I'll think about this, PCI is a new thing in this office, I was greatly disappointed when my 486 ASUS PCI motherboard was found not to cope at all with the AHC2942 (or whatever). No help from the supplier, either :-( > I've been toying with the idea of replacing one of my > bios images with a hacked version of b.com. Booting isn't > fast enough... > > Don't try this at home, kids! I did, a few years ago, for simpler functionality, I think I could pull it off. And I agree with you on the booting bit. I also think that a stand-by mode, like on notebooks, would be even nicer. All that makes me forget that right now I'm sharing hardware between the CPU server and the workstation and I'm using NetBSD as the file server (sometimes :-). But it beats putting NT on a shelf to run Lotus Notes and having to plug a screen and keyboard into it to start up Notes every time I need to reboot it (and NT 3.51 will stop working all of its lonesome, even after long periods of nothing to do - could it be getting bored?). -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Tue Jun 10 22:24:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA12827 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:24:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (root@galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA12818 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roke.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.12.3]) by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12764>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:23:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 8500 invoked by uid 991); 11 Jun 1997 02:09:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:09:10 -0400 Message-ID: <19970611020910.8499.qmail@roke.cse.psu.edu> From: schwartz@galapagos.cse.psu.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: qnx 1.44m challenge Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans For those who haven't already seen it, Dan Hildebrand has stirred up comp.os.linux.development.system by challenging linux to fit a comparable demo onto a single floppy. It's not much of a challenge for Plan 9, but it strikes me that a similar demo disk would be a nice way to advertise Inferno. >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 11 04:44:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id EAA15214 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:44:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from joeroute1.france3.fr (root@joeroute1.france3.fr [194.51.91.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA15209 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shlakensaft.mdrf.france3.fr by joeroute1.france3.fr (8.8.5/SMI-4.1) id KAA17089; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:49:26 +0200 Received: from system.mdrf.france3.fr (system.mdrf.france3.fr [10.175.0.53]) by shlakensaft.mdrf.france3.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15720; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:47:57 +0200 From: Boyd Roberts Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:22:56 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: qnx 1.44m challenge In-Reply-To: <19970611020910.8499.qmail@roke.cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <199706111022.21664.9.bapef@france3.fr> X-UTM: N 31 447109 5411310 La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: schwartz@galapagos.cse.psu.edu For those who haven't already seen it, Dan Hildebrand has stirred up comp.os.linux.development.system by challenging linux to fit a comparable demo onto a single floppy. and what's the bet they'll do it with their ridiculous compression? >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 11 05:28:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id FAA15513 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:28:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (staff.cs.su.OZ.AU [129.78.8.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15507 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with ESMTP id JAA16408; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:28:01 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id JAA06346; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:27:57 GMT (SMI-8.6/1.34) (from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" Message-Id: <9706111927.ZM6344@suede.sw.oz.au> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:27:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: Boyd Roberts "Re: qnx 1.44m challenge" (Jun 11, 10:22am) References: <199706111022.21664.9.bapef@france3.fr> X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE and what's the bet they'll do it with their ridiculous compression? suede:pts/28; gzip -9v qnxdemo.tar qnxdemo.tar: 1.3% -- replaced with qnxdemo.tar.gz As do QNX. J >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 11 06:13:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id GAA15857 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:13:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15849 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:13:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Parsek@concentric.net Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager [206.173.119.82]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.5/(97/05/21 3.30)) id GAA14709; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:13:47 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id GAA20141; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706111013.GAA20141@voyager.cris.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: I have been found worthy by Adaptec! Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 In-Reply-To: <199706060412.6402.out.bajip@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Organization: Concentric Internet Services Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <199706060412.6402.out.bajip@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> you write: >Yesterday a package arrived in the mail for me, containing >two manuals on the Adaptec AIC-7880 chip. Guess what I'll >be doing on the weekend? :-) Congratulations! Does this mean the Dec Alpha port will become available before the next official release? >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 11 09:06:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA17233 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tor.securecomputing.com (janus.border.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17229 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by janus.tor.securecomputing.com id <11650>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:00:44 -0400 Message-Id: <97Jun11.090044edt.11650@janus.tor.securecomputing.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu cc: oz@tor.securecomputing.com Subject: Re: qnx 1.44m challenge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:06:00 -0400 From: "ozan s. yigit" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > and what's the bet they'll do it with their ridiculous compression? i do not linux, so i am curious what is ridiculous about it. it it no good? >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 11 09:25:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA17636 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:25:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (staff.cs.su.OZ.AU [129.78.8.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17632 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with ESMTP id NAA21019; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:24:46 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from jeremy@suede.sw.oz.au for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id NAA10165; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:24:45 GMT (SMI-8.6/1.34) (from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" Message-Id: <9706112324.ZM10163@suede.sw.oz.au> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:24:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: "ozan s. yigit" "Re: qnx 1.44m challenge" (Jun 11, 9:06am) References: <97Jun11.090044edt.11650@janus.tor.securecomputing.com> X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE > and what's the bet they'll do it with their ridiculous compression? > > i do not linux, so i am curious what is ridiculous about it. it it > no good? Linux uses compression at boot time for two things: the kernel and the root filesystem. The kernel image is compressed on Intel systems because it must fit into the lower 640k, as the bootstrap loader uses BIOS in "real" mode; once loaded it switches to protected mode, decompresses the kernel image and starts the boot proper. It doesn't do this on more reasonable systems. Of course, one could reasonably wonder why the kernel needs to be compressed in order to be less than 640k. Linux will also load a compressed root filesystem image off the boot device. This allows you to pack a kernel and a reasonable recovery or install system onto a single floppy; it's pretty much unused otherwise. >From the look of it, the QNX demo disk is doing something similar: when you boot it it reads the entire floppy contents into memory, pauses, then goes on to boot the demo system without any further need for the floppy. Quite impressive demo too. J >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 11 11:28:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA20591 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:28:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from krystal.com (krystal.com [205.230.227.129]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20587 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from prb@localhost) by krystal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17597; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:28:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:28:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706111528.KAA17597@krystal.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Paul Borman Subject: Re: qnx 1.44m challenge Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > From: "Jeremy Fitzhardinge" > On Jun 11, 10:22am, Boyd Roberts wrote: > > and what's the bet they'll do it with their ridiculous compression? > > suede:pts/28; gzip -9v qnxdemo.tar > qnxdemo.tar: 1.3% -- replaced with qnxdemo.tar.gz > > As do QNX. Hmm, BSD/OS has been shipping for a couple years with the installation boot floppy being a single disk. Contains a full blown kernel and a couple megabytes of commands/shared libraries, though our boot loader decompresses the kernel as it reads it from the floppy, as well as the file system image that gets placed into memory. If it were not for those 15 or so ethernet drivers and half a dozen or more scsi controller drivers I bet a lot more fun stuff could go on the floppy (losing NFS would be a big win too). -Paul Borman PS: Sorry about the From: line, I am tired of the spam that follows any sort of post. I am going to count (and toss) what goes to the above address... >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 11 11:51:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA21127 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:51:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from joeroute1.france3.fr (root@joeroute1.france3.fr [194.51.91.3]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21121 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shlakensaft.mdrf.france3.fr by joeroute1.france3.fr (8.8.5/SMI-4.1) id RAA19669; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:55:04 +0200 Received: from system.mdrf.france3.fr (system.mdrf.france3.fr [10.175.0.53]) by shlakensaft.mdrf.france3.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18160; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:53:41 +0200 From: Boyd Roberts Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:48:45 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: oz@tor.securecomputing.com Subject: Re: qnx 1.44m challenge In-Reply-To: <97Jun11.090044edt.11650@janus.tor.securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <199706111748.24248.9.bapep@france3.fr> X-UTM: N 31 447109 5411310 La Maison de Radio France, France 3, Direction Informatique, Systemes & Reseaux X-Face: #"03$i1:"_[Hbg~GCPw}`+d4_R`}RaDfYixB`n-mCB0E8m#tNd>uyd[d)`nEix7Bys(:o#o2y7$(=,&BTXdH7)Hm5jP}H5:y]}0GT4?uTT(Y0(Cu7tWBXj\|q\@jZ8 Y_qn8)NV0*$uO][i7p"K2>Kg( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans From: "ozan s. yigit" i do not linux, so i am curious what is ridiculous about it. it it no good? if you have to compress your kernel it's obviously too big. >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 11 14:29:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA23286 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:29:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23282 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:29:37 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: I have been found worthy by Adaptec! From: David Hogan Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:55:10 +1000 In-Reply-To: <199706111013.GAA20141@voyager.cris.com> Message-ID: <199706120355.17478.out.bajoj@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > >Yesterday a package arrived in the mail for me, containing > >two manuals on the Adaptec AIC-7880 chip. Guess what I'll > >be doing on the weekend? :-) > Congratulations! > Does this mean the Dec Alpha port will become available before the next > official release? No, but it might be indicative of a decrease in the cost of purchasing certain comestibles in a particular asian country. The adaptec chip mentioned above is the one used by the 2940U scsi card in my PC at home. I want to write a driver for it (if Nigel Roles doesn't beat me to the task!). As for the Alpha port, this has been on hold for the last k years, due to a lack of spare time (I had this PhD thingy to finish). Now I have the spare time, but I am spending much of it on improving support for various features of my PC at home. I would be interested in getting a rough idea of how many people would be likely to benefit if I finished off the Alpha port. If you are interested in using my code, please send a piece of mailto:dhog@dhog.g7.org with answers to the following questions: 1. How many Alphas do you want to run Plan 9 on? 2. How many of these are PCI based? 3. How many of these are turbo-channel based? 4. If you don't mind, list the actual types of turbo-channel machines (eg: AXP 3000/500S ("Flamingo")) 5. How many of the Alphas would be terminals, CPU servers, file servers? 6. Would you be likely to make changes to the kernel, if neccessary, to fix bugs and/or enable support for your particular machine? Do you have any Plan 9 kernel experience? 7. Would you be likely to make changes to the compiler, to fix bugs and/or improve the code generation? Do you have any experience with the internals of the Plan 9 C compiler? 8. Do you have any interest in using the Alpha port of Plan 9 commercially? (note that this requires purchasing a commercial license for Plan 9 from Lucent). Thanks in advance for sating my curiosity; I'll send a summary of all answers received to the list. >From owner-9fans Wed Jun 11 17:16:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA25851 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:16:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from trantor.cse.psu.edu (root@trantor.cse.psu.edu [130.203.3.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25840 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.cts.com (mailhub.cts.com [204.216.216.130]) by trantor.cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12354 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crash.cts.com(really [192.188.72.17]) by mailhub.cts.com via smail with smtp id for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Jun 97 14:05:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.1.92 1996-Mar-19 #3 built 1996-Apr-21) Received: by crash.cts.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0wbuZx-0000BuC; Wed, 11 Jun 97 14:05 PDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 14:05 PDT From: cwr@cts.com (Will Rose) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: I have been found worthy by Adaptec! Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <199706120355.17478.out.bajoj@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> you wrote: : > >Yesterday a package arrived in the mail for me, containing : > >two manuals on the Adaptec AIC-7880 chip. Guess what I'll : > >be doing on the weekend? :-) : > Congratulations! : > Does this mean the Dec Alpha port will become available before the next : > official release? : No, but it might be indicative of a decrease in the cost of purchasing : certain comestibles in a particular asian country. : The adaptec chip mentioned above is the one used by the 2940U scsi : card in my PC at home. I want to write a driver for it (if Nigel : Roles doesn't beat me to the task!). Well, I don't know about Alphas, but in a while (when I have some more money) I'm really going to need an Adaptec 2940 driver. I'm using 486s with Buslogic VLB controllers at the moment, and moving to a Pentium with PCI is going to drop me in a deep hole as far as I can tell. I got the AIC 7770 stuff out of Adaptec a while back, but their VLB card wouldn't run on my system, and I was way over my head with the 7880 anyway. So if you're building such a driver, you have my very best wishes for success! Will cwr@crash.cts.com >From owner-9fans Thu Jun 12 03:50:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA01065 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:50:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk (pp@goggins.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA01057 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host stealth.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:49:53 +0100 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa00184; 11 Jun 97 19:55 BST Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id ab00170; 11 Jun 97 19:55 BST Received: from relay6.UU.NET by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:55:00 +0100 Received: from qnx.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: qnx.com [198.53.31.1]) id QQctmx01961; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from danh@localhost) by qnx.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA11164; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:52:47 -0400 To: comp-os-plan9@uunet.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: Dan Hildebrand Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 Subject: Re: qnx 1.44m challenge Date: 11 Jun 1997 14:52:45 -0400 Organization: QNX Software Systems Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5nms5t$as4@qnx.com> References: <97Jun11.090044edt.11650@janus.tor.securecomputing.com> <199706111748.24248.9.bapep@france3.fr> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <199706111748.24248.9.bapep@france3.fr>, Boyd Roberts <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote: > From: "ozan s. yigit" > > i do not linux, so i am curious what is ridiculous about it. it it > no good? > >if you have to compress your kernel it's obviously too big. For a network or disk boot, if you can decompress in memory faster than you can load data from the boot source, it also can provide a faster way to boot. -- Dan Hildebrand (danh@qnx.com) QNX Software Systems, Ltd. http://www.qnx.com/~danh 175 Terence Matthews phone: +1 (613) 591-0931 Kanata, Ontario, Canada fax: +1 (613) 591-3579 K2M 1W8 >From owner-9fans Thu Jun 12 03:50:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA01078 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:50:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk (pp@goggins.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA01059 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host stealth.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:49:53 +0100 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa00214; 11 Jun 97 19:55 BST Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id ab00205; 11 Jun 97 19:55 BST Received: from relay6.UU.NET by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:55:41 +0100 Received: from qnx.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: qnx.com [198.53.31.1]) id QQctmx02003; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from danh@localhost) by qnx.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA10429; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:50:23 -0400 To: comp-os-plan9@uunet.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: Dan Hildebrand Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 Subject: Re: qnx 1.44m challenge Date: 11 Jun 1997 14:50:21 -0400 Organization: QNX Software Systems Lines: 34 Message-ID: <5nms1d$a4u@qnx.com> References: <19970611020910.8499.qmail@roke.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <19970611020910.8499.qmail@roke.cse.psu.edu>, <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote: >For those who haven't already seen it, Dan Hildebrand has stirred up >comp.os.linux.development.system by challenging linux to fit a >comparable demo onto a single floppy. A friendly challenge! You want to be careful when you wave a red flag in front of the Linux group. :-) >It's not much of a challenge for Plan 9, If I recall the first demodisk for Plan9, a surprising amount of functionality was put onto that single floppy disk as well. We've been helping so many customers build set top boxes with our GUI and Spyglass-derived browser, that we thought a floppy disk might make a similar sort of "resource constrained" environment from which to demo the technology. The advantage being that you didn't need to first buy some embedded hardware on which to run the demo. >but it strikes me that a similar demo disk would be a >nice way to advertise Inferno. I have to admit that it's proving to be a very effective vehicle for getting QNX in front of a lot of people without much effort. We've seen literally thousands of copies of the demodisk downloaded already, and simply by booting the disk, people are able to experience the environment first hand and surf the web with it (http://www.qnx.com/iat). It would certainly be a worthwhile way for Inferno to get out in front of a wider audience. -- Dan Hildebrand (danh@qnx.com) QNX Software Systems, Ltd. http://www.qnx.com/~danh 175 Terence Matthews phone: +1 (613) 591-0931 Kanata, Ontario, Canada fax: +1 (613) 591-3579 K2M 1W8 >From owner-9fans Thu Jun 12 11:37:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA05328 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:37:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk (goggins.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05324 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host stealth.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:34:17 +0100 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa04144; 12 Jun 97 14:47 BST Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id ac04132; 12 Jun 97 14:47 BST Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:47:22 +0100 Received: from relay6.UU.NET by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with Internet SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:47:14 +0100 Received: from qnx.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: qnx.com [198.53.31.1]) id QQctpu23272; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from danh@localhost) by qnx.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA18088; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:27:59 -0400 To: comp-os-plan9@uunet.uu.net Path: not-for-mail From: Dan Hildebrand Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 Subject: Re: qnx 1.44m challenge Date: 12 Jun 1997 09:27:56 -0400 Organization: QNX Software Systems Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5notgs$hif@qnx.com> References: <9706112324.ZM10163@suede.sw.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans In article <9706112324.ZM10163@suede.sw.oz.au>, Jeremy Fitzhardinge <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote: > >From the look of it, the QNX demo disk is doing something similar: >when you boot it it reads the entire floppy contents into memory, >pauses, then goes on to boot the demo system without any further need >for the floppy. Quite impressive demo too. Correct - the disk image is loaded into the 1.0 to 2.44 Mbyte memory range, and the OS within than image decompressed down into the lower 640K memory area. This OS image is about 160 Kbytes. That OS image then launches various processes from the floppy image in memory, and then decompresses the remainder of that 1.44 M of floppy data into what will become the runtime ramdisk filesystem the demo pulls files from. Once this ramdisk is setup, the 1.44M that contained the floppy boot image is released and available as general purpose memory for the OS to use however it wants for the executing programs. -- Dan Hildebrand (danh@qnx.com) QNX Software Systems, Ltd. http://www.qnx.com/~danh 175 Terence Matthews phone: +1 (613) 591-0931 Kanata, Ontario, Canada fax: +1 (613) 591-3579 K2M 1W8 >From owner-9fans Thu Jun 12 13:42:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA07327 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:42:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07323 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:42:32 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: qnx 1.44m challenge From: David Hogan Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:36:11 +1000 In-Reply-To: <5notgs$hif@qnx.com> Message-ID: <199706130336.19498.out.bajot@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Speaking of compression, the Adaptec BIOS uses compression to fit it into 32K. "strings /dev/cards/pci0.19.0/rom0" wasn't very interesting... >From owner-9fans Fri Jun 13 11:03:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA18145 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:03:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ns1.dpt.com (ns1.dpt.com [206.138.241.7]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18140 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bohica.dpt.com (bohica.dpt.com [198.242.63.84]) by ns1.dpt.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11747 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:03:20 -0400 Received: by bohica.dpt.com [198.242.63.84] (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA24977; Fri, 13 Jun 97 11:03:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9706131503.AA24977@bohica.dpt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Mark Salyzyn Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 11:03:22 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: I have been found worthy by Adaptec! Reply-To: salyzyn@dpt.com Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Contact jlc@attmail.com, he has a DPT PCI driver ... Sincerely -- Mark Salyzyn In article , you wrote: >In article <199706120355.17478.out.bajoj@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> you wrote: >: > >Yesterday a package arrived in the mail for me, containing >: > >two manuals on the Adaptec AIC-7880 chip. Guess what I'll >: > >be doing on the weekend? :-) > >: > Congratulations! > >: > Does this mean the Dec Alpha port will become available before the next >: > official release? > >: No, but it might be indicative of a decrease in the cost of purchasing >: certain comestibles in a particular asian country. > >: The adaptec chip mentioned above is the one used by the 2940U scsi >: card in my PC at home. I want to write a driver for it (if Nigel >: Roles doesn't beat me to the task!). > >Well, I don't know about Alphas, but in a while (when I have some >more money) I'm really going to need an Adaptec 2940 driver. I'm >using 486s with Buslogic VLB controllers at the moment, and moving >to a Pentium with PCI is going to drop me in a deep hole as far as >I can tell. I got the AIC 7770 stuff out of Adaptec a while back, >but their VLB card wouldn't run on my system, and I was way over my >head with the 7880 anyway. So if you're building such a driver, >you have my very best wishes for success! > >Will >cwr@crash.cts.com > >From owner-9fans Sat Jun 14 22:07:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA04177 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:07:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from angora.cse.psu.edu (angora.cse.psu.edu [130.203.2.155]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA04173 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706150207.WAA04173@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:06:23 EDT To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: schwartz@cse.psu.edu Subject: 8c bug; unsigned long long Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans As distributed, 8c fails to compile the enclosed program. Inspection of /sys/src/cmd/cc/dcl.c:/init1 suggests that line 315 should include a case for TUVLONG. With that change, the program compiles and seems to work. #include #include typedef unsigned long long ull; ull foo(void) { return (1UL<<30UL); } void main() { ull a = foo(); print("%llux\n", a); a <<= 5; print("%llux\n", a); exits(0); } >From owner-9fans Sun Jun 15 00:01:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id AAA05096 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:01:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tor.securecomputing.com (janus.border.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05091 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by janus.tor.securecomputing.com id <11651>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:55:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:01:01 -0400 From: steve@tor.securecomputing.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-Id: <97Jun14.235536edt.11651@janus.tor.securecomputing.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Content-Type: text Apparently-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html >From owner-9fans Mon Jun 16 03:21:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA13794 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 03:21:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from symbionics.co.uk (symsun3.symbionics.co.uk [194.32.100.60]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA13790 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 03:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from by symbionics.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB12686; Mon, 16 Jun 97 08:21:42 BST Received: by symnt3.symbionics.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC7A2E.49F3F3E0@symnt3.symbionics.co.uk>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:21:28 +0100 Message-Id: From: Nigel Roles To: "'df@eyrie.demon.co.uk'" Cc: "'9fans@cse.psu.edu'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: Adaptec 2940 (buy NCR/Symbios) [long] Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:21:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Could you name the supplier you've found for the Symbios Card's (and >possibly a 'phone no.), as I've found that they tend to be quite scarce. > >Thanks, > >DF > Manhattan Skyline are the official distributors for Symbios in the UK. They will do single orders by credit card no problem. > >From owner-9fans Mon Jun 23 21:50:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id VAA06139 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:50:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nordwest.pop.de (mail.nordwest.pop.de [193.100.96.7]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06135 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from artcom2 by nordwest.pop.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wgKjq-0001JxC; Tue, 24 Jun 97 03:49 MES Subject: Seeking for patched kernels From: Henner Gratz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:12:40 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9706231712.aa28933@artcom2.artcom-gmbh.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello! Last weekend I was successful in installing my file-server and in copying the contents of the CD-ROM to it. Nearly everything went fine there was/is only one problem: The file-server's kernel doesn't always recognize the 3Com EtherLink III TPC network-card. I hope it's only because the kernel is the one from the CD-ROM and so doesn't has any patches included. I'm no a little afraid, that after enabling authentication and loading the CPU-server-kernel from the file-server, the CPU-server will also get problems. That's the cause for my question: Is there some kind soul out there, from whom I can get updated file-server- and CPU-server-kernels? Of course, I could copy the CD-ROM contents to the local disc of the CPU-server and create the kernels there, but I prefer to have a complete system before I start to patch anything. BTW, is it possible to update the binaries copied from the CD (to the file-server) from a 4-diskette-system using mkfs? Thank you very much for an(y) hints! Tschuess, Henner >From owner-9fans Fri Jun 27 11:16:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA27451 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:16:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nol.net (uucp@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27447 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nol.net (8.8.5/NOL - 8.*) id KAA27470 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:16:29 -0500 (CDT) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Received: from UNKNOWN(206.126.32.110), claiming to be "grassy.nol.net" via SMTP by dazed, id smtpdAAAa006h1; Fri Jun 27 10:16:23 1997 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:16:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Brandon Black To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Patched up Plan 9 CD? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I think it would be appreciated by the Plan 9 community, and I think new users would find everything easier, if there was a new Plan 9 CD with all of the current patches and modifications (plus maybe even some code from projects users have written), all re-compiled for all platforms. There could even be a sheet of paper in the CD case contained corrected PC installation instructions to cut down on the number of confused PC users. I realize Lucent probably isn't really into this idea, since they haven't done it yet, but what if outsiders produced it? Like if I (or someone else with a CD burner) made a duplicate of the orignal CD (but all patched up)? There are two possible ways that may or may not be legal or Lucent-approved to get this out if we could do it: 1. We could offer the CD for basically the costs of making it to anyone who is already a registered Plan 9 licensee (but how would we verify this?) 2. We could give the CD to Lucent when its done and let them do the same thing (would they do it?) Any thoughts/comments/suggestions/legal banter? Brandon >From owner-9fans Fri Jun 27 11:25:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA27691 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:25:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ha1.rdc1.occa.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.occa.home.com [24.1.128.66]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27687 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fx.rdt.org ([24.1.135.248]) by ha1.rdc1.occa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA16887 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:25:26 -0700 Message-ID: <33B3DB63.5AC03CEE@home.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:25:23 -0700 From: "R. D. Thomas" Organization: Only Rarely X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Patched up Plan 9 CD? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Sounds good to me. I like the idea. -- ======================================================================= | mailto:rdt1@home.com | ======================================================================= >From owner-9fans Fri Jun 27 14:34:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA00739 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:34:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from isa.dknet.dk (root@isa.dknet.dk [193.88.44.48]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00735 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adjlv (cph10.pip.dknet.dk [194.192.0.42]) by isa.dknet.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA10773 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:34:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <33B404ED.7790@login.dknet.dk> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:22:37 +0200 From: Joe H-Grosse Organization: Oracle (Associate) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Patched up Plan 9 CD? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans A Product Registration Card was amoungst the bumpf I received from Harcourt & Brace - it has a serial number against it ..and space on the registration for an Email Address. I guess most people who are interested in Plan9 are on this list - hope that helps. Joe Brandon Black wrote: ............. > who is already a registered Plan 9 licensee (but how would we verify > this?) > ........... > Any thoughts/comments/suggestions/legal banter? > > Brandon >From owner-9fans Fri Jun 27 23:43:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA05857 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:43:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailsorter-1.alma.webtv.net (mailsorter-1.isp.alma.webtv.net [205.180.153.85]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05853 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.88]) by mailsorter-1.alma.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.13may97) with ESMTP id UAA07873; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA27934; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706280343.UAA27934@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> From: dhog@webtv.net (David Hogan) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:43:26 -0700 To: infernosupport@lucent.com Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Inferno CD Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans My Inferno 1.1 CD-ROM arrived in the mail today. Unfortunately there is no Plan 9 support on the CD! Alas, I don't run anything else at home, so I am a bit dissappointed; I thought I was going to be able to play with it over the weekend! Is Plan 9 no longer suppoted by Inferno? Or do I just have to wait for the download to appear? I know that Plan 9 is a legacy system which noone else runs any more, but surely there's still room on the CD for a couple more binaries? David Hogan http://dhog.g7.org/dhog/ >From owner-9fans Sat Jun 28 14:12:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA09458 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:12:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from caldo.demon.co.uk (none@caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09454 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:12:23 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199706281812.OAA09454@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:09:04 BST Subject: Re: Inferno CD Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Is Plan 9 no longer suppoted by Inferno? >>Or do I just have to wait for the download >>to appear? I know that Plan 9 is a >>legacy system which noone else runs >>any more, but surely there's still room >>on the CD for a couple more binaries? given that Plan 9 users are easily the most probable to appreciate and even understand Inferno, not supporting it would seem a little short sighted. it's easily corrected, too. >From owner-9fans Sat Jun 28 16:29:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA10212 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:29:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tor.securecomputing.com (tor.securecomputing.com [199.71.190.98]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10208 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by janus.tor.securecomputing.com id <11651>; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:24:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:28:47 -0400 From: oz@tor.securecomputing.com (ozan s. yigit) Message-Id: <97Jun28.162402edt.11651@janus.tor.securecomputing.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno CD Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > given that Plan 9 users are easily the most probable to > appreciate and even understand Inferno, not supporting it would > seem a little short sighted. maybe lucent has a higher opinion of users outside plan9, strange as this must seem: inferno can be understood and appreciated on its own. oz >From owner-9fans Sat Jun 28 17:49:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA10706 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 17:49:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from caldo.demon.co.uk (none@caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10702 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 17:49:10 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <199706282149.RAA10702@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:44:00 BST Subject: Re: Inferno CD Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>maybe lucent has a higher opinion of users outside plan9, strange as this >>must seem: inferno can be understood and appreciated on its own. i very carefully did not say that users outside plan 9 cannot understand or appreciate it, rather that plan 9 users are more likely to do so; given that Inferno is an extension of something they know, that still seems to me to be likely. since it requires non-trivial effort to install and maintain plan 9 as an individual, or for a group, they are also quite likely to be highly motivated towards experimenting with something new. >From owner-9fans Mon Jun 30 05:34:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id FAA21225 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 05:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foible.proxima.alt.za (foible.proxima.alt.za [192.96.32.132]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21221 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 05:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.proxima.alt.za (localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1]) by foible.proxima.alt.za (8.8.6/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA04917 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:36:29 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199706300936.LAA04917@foible.proxima.alt.za> X-Authentication-Warning: foible.proxima.alt.za: localhost.proxima.alt.za [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: VGA - Hell or Inferno? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:36:28 +0200 From: Lucio de Re Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I am currently running my favourite workstation in 640x480x1 mode. I had once a VESA CLGD5426 card, but the VESA motherboard I had seems to have lost one of its power regulators :-( The CLGD5426 worked adequately for a while, although I'm not sure it was astoundingly good. I am left with an ET4000-W32 (note absence of suffix) card with an ICS-5301 chip as the only other non-glue looking chip. The BIOS, if memory serves - kinda difficult to read when the board isn't plugged in :-) - is the usual Tseng, but with a "10/14/93 V8.00N" (from memory) signature. I am presently using a vanilla ET4000 card with signature "09/30/93 V8.02X" but this also has a single auxiliary chip whose name does not appear in "vgadb": a MUSIC MU9C9760V-80DC. Somehow, my last resort, a card with just a CLGD5420 seems not to behave like any other CLGD542x :-( I have now found a LEGEND, PCI-based VGA controller, ark2000 and ics5342, which does work, as far as 800x600x8 goes, I fear multisync65 may be an inadequate description for monitors capable of 1024x768x8 (at least those in my office). I still would appreciate pointers to the ICS and MUSIC documentation (I have no intention of learning anything about video chips other than the ET4000, for which I at least have full documentation), so that I can attempt to discover whether the VGA cards I have will in fact operate adequately. Thx, all. -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za) Disclaimer: I'm working at getting my opinions to agree with me. >From owner-9fans Mon Jun 30 09:57:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA23467 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:57:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from syn180.enersis.cl ([200.10.242.66]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23462 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syn105.synapsis.enersis.cl by syn180.enersis.cl with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA01487; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:02:25 -0400 Received: from [192.9.209.102] by syn105 with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA15201; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:02:26 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970630100322.0091d510@syn105> X-Sender: grr@syn105 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:03:22 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Gerardo Riquelme Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans subscribe 9fans end ================================================================ | Gerardo Riquelme R. | Gerardo.Riquelme@synapsis.enersis.cl | |--------------------------------------------------------------| | Jefe Area Desarrollo Tecnologico | Synapsis S.A. | |--------------------------------------------------------------| | No. | | -- Shakespeare, King Lear, Act 4, scene 1. | ================================================================ >From owner-9fans Mon Jun 30 16:28:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA29750 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:28:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ihgw2.lucent.com (ihgw2.lucent.com [207.19.48.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29739 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dante.mh.lucent.com by ihig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id PAA19429; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:20:57 -0500 Received: from ultra2 by dante.mh.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA17941; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:25:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199706302025.QAA17941@dante.mh.lucent.com> Reply-To: Tad Hunt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Job Offer: Kernel Developers and System Engineers needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:25:54 -0400 From: Tad Hunt Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans So, you've been hacking on Plan9 for a while. You've done some device drivers, or kernel-bugfixes. You love to play in the kernel. You're in love with the way everything just fits together so cleanly. You've heard of this "Inferno" thing. (And likely already downloaded it and tried it out on your Plan9 box) You think Inferno is a cool new Innovation from Lucent Bell Labs. You'd like to take a look at Inferno's internals -- and contribute to it even. You'd like to get paid to work on Inferno. You've always wanted to work at Bell Labs. Does Lucent have the deal for you. We're looking for Kernel Developers and System Engineers. If you're interested and have experience in kernel hacking (Plan9 being a plus), email me your resume and I'll forward it to the appropriate people (Systems Engineering or Kernel Development). If you want more information about either of the positions, let me know.