>From owner-9fans Sun Aug 3 18:51:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) id SAA02220 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 18:51:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.research.att.com (H-135-207-26-187.research.att.com [135.207.26.187]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA02216 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 18:51:54 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@research.att.com Message-Id: <199708032251.SAA02216@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 18:47:23 -0400 Subject: [9fans] plug and play woes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've been reading the last month worth of 9fans after being away. Why not do most of the plug and play stuff in b.com to initialize IRQs, etc., and then load the kernel with appropriate plan9.ini lines generated for it? Thus, the code that has to worry about plug and play drops out of memory as soon as the OS starts, and the kernel doesn't have to be bothered. Note that I distinguish between plug and play (PnP, the much-hyped garbage that your BIOS does to you every time you boot) and cards that ``autoconfigure'' like 3Com cards and SoundBlasters. I'm not sure if this distinction is a valid one. Perhaps autoconfig stuff should be done in b.com as well... Just my 2¢. Russ >From owner-9fans Sun Aug 3 21:41:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) id VAA03073 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:41:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03069 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:41:09 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plug and play woes From: David Hogan Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:21:16 +1000 In-Reply-To: <199708032251.SAA02216@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <199708041121.153747.out.bakiv@plan9.cs.su.oz.au> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > I've been reading the last month worth of 9fans > after being away. Why not do most of the plug and > play stuff in b.com to initialize IRQs, etc., and > then load the kernel with appropriate plan9.ini lines > generated for it? Thus, the code that has to > worry about plug and play drops out of memory as soon > as the OS starts, and the kernel doesn't have to be > bothered. Note that I distinguish between plug and > play (PnP, the much-hyped garbage that your BIOS does > to you every time you boot) and cards that ``autoconfigure'' > like 3Com cards and SoundBlasters. I'm not sure if this > distinction is a valid one. Perhaps autoconfig stuff > should be done in b.com as well... Just my 2¢. It's a possibility which has occurred to me... At this stage, it's convenient to have all this stuff in the kernel for debugging -- when something goes wrong, you can keep around enough state to figure out what happened. But maybe this code should be moved to b.com later, along the lines that you suggest. b.com will have to do PnP anyway if we want to be able to boot from the network using PnP ethernet cards like my silly "ne2000 compatible". At some stage all this extra bloat will probably force b.com over the 64K limit for .com files (don't you just _lurve_ DOS?). I'm not sure what the answer to that one is; maybe we have to convert to "b.exe"? (Yucko). Anyway, there's plenty of time to think about that one, because the PnP code has a fair way to go before it can be considered robust... >From owner-9fans Sun Aug 3 23:38:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) id XAA03919 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:38:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03915 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:38:31 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199708040338.XAA03915@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:29:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [9fans] plug and play woes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans pnp is just a waste of time. if the bios allows, just turn it off. there is a .exe form of b.com although the current b still fits in the 64K limit. i don't see a problem with moving more of the grunge configuration work into the bootstrap on the pc. i laid the groundwork for this and actually started coding it when i added multiple processor support; since i had to shuffle the low memory placement anyway i left room for such stuff. another unfinished project, however. >From owner-9fans Mon Aug 4 14:37:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) id OAA11669 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:37:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com ([205.185.197.254] (may be forged)) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:37:39 -0400 (EDT) From: tab@cisco.com Message-Id: <199708041837.OAA11665@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:39:37 EDT Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I'm trying to build a new set of distribution flops from the update plan9 stuff. The script calls 'vdsqueeze' which I can't find anywhere. Any clues where I can find this animal? thanks, Tom Bohannon Cisco Systems, Inc. >From owner-9fans Mon Aug 4 14:57:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) id OAA12058 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:57:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12053 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jewel.ucsd.edu (jewel.ucsd.edu [132.239.121.100]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21010 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jewel.ucsd.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01526; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:54:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:54:01 -0700 From: eld@jewel.ucsd.edu (Eric Dorman) Message-Id: <199708041854.LAA01526@jewel.ucsd.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] vdexpand/vdsqueeze X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > I'm trying to build a new set of distribution flops > from the update plan9 stuff. The script calls > 'vdsqueeze' which I can't find anywhere. Any clues > where I can find this animal? I've never asked the group; guess I should have. I just used gzip in place of vdsqueeze and 'gzip -d' in place of vdexpand and rebuilt the installation stuff. The sources for gzip can be found on the ftp site at ftp://ftp.ecf.toronto.edu/pub/plan9/forsyth/pub/gzip.tar This has worked in installs on machines with as little as 5Mb of memory. > thanks, > Tom Bohannon > Cisco Systems, Inc. Regards, Eric Dorman edorman@ucsd.edu >From owner-9fans Mon Aug 4 21:43:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) id VAA17058 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:43:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (achille.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA17054 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:43:32 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <199708050143.VAA17054@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:42:32 -0400 Subject: re: [9fans] vdexpand/vdsqueeze Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I couldn't release the source for vdsqueeze because of patent applocations (now owned by AT&T). gzip is good enough. >From owner-9fans Wed Aug 6 10:12:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) id KAA27724 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from grande.dcc.unicamp.br (dcc.unicamp.br [143.106.1.11]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27720 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xingu.dcc.unicamp.br (xingu3 [143.106.7.7]) by grande.dcc.unicamp.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11349 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:08:05 -0300 (EST) Received: from iron (iron [143.106.16.150]) by xingu.dcc.unicamp.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12649 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:07:59 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970806140507.008c6bc8@dcc.unicamp.br> X-Sender: 973930@dcc.unicamp.br (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:05:07 -0300 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Franklin Robert Araujo =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7a?= <973930@dcc.unicamp.br> Subject: [9fans] About Plan 9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans My name is Franklin. 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Franklin. >From owner-9fans Thu Aug 7 18:57:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) id SAA02159 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:57:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from srv2.sj.ablecom.net (root@srv1.sj.ablecom.net [204.75.32.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02151 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:57:14 -0400 (EDT) From: 92916376@22490.com Received: from srv1.sj.ablecom.net (ip64.memphis2.tn.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.194.64]) by srv2.sj.ablecom.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10389; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kdcasdl.iioh7ujd.com (pool071-max6.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.4.221]) by kdcasdl.iioh7ujd.com from local host (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA05124 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 1997 15:52:13 -0600 (EST) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 15:52:13 EST To: thanks@reader.com Subject: [9fans] God Blessed Us and We're Sharing Now. Message-ID: <19970729224818.load197.in@kdcasdl.iioh7ujd.com> Reply-To: username@domain.com X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 X-UIDL: 2610431056a78aeb1b128fda426c9a5e Comments: Authenticated sender is Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans

 THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ! 
 DO YOU HAVE THE POWER OF ABUNDANCE?

Please accept my apology if this was sent to you in error!
Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, 
take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, IT WORKS!
This program is about financial freedom.
<>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>  <>

Dear Friend,

The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my
fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave
some thought and study to it.

After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT a chain letter 
and NOT a pyramid scam, I decided to do the program.

Initially I sent out 10,000 emails.

In less than one week, I was receiving orders for REPORT #1.
By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1.  When
you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU
MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO
WEEKS.  IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU
DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By
January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2.  You MUST
RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO
WEEKS.  IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.  ONCE
YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE
YOUR $50,000 GOAL.  "Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more
than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my emailing
of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in everyday.

I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car.
Please take time to read the attached program.

IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!
Remember, it wont work if you don't try it. This program does work, but
you must follow it EXACTLY!  Especially the rules of not trying to place
your name in a different place.  It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot
of money!  REPORT #2 explains this.  Always follow the guarantee,
15 to 20  orders  for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2
and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days.
I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS !!!

If you choose not to participate in this program, I'm sorry.  It really is a
great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate,
follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security.
                                        Sincerely,
                                        Christopher Erickson

PS.. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like 
piled up on a kitchen table?  IT'S AWESOME!

"I  had  received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered
if I shouldn't have given it a try.  Of course, I had no idea who to contact to
get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program.
Eleven months passed, then it came.  I DIDN'T throw this one away.  I made
$41,000 on the first try."
                                        Dawn W., Evansville, IN

Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind
to participate in this plan.  But conservative that I am I decided that the initial
investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough
orders to at least get my money back.  Boy I was surprised when I found my
medium-size post office box crammed with orders.  After that it got so over-loaded 
that I had to start picking up my mail at the window.  I'll make more money this
year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that
it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There simply isn't a better
investment with a faster return.
                                Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI

**A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM**

By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over the
enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a
program, and  one that is legal, could NOT have been created by an amateur.

You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the
rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can
make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined.

I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor anyone
else who has provided a testimonial for this program.  I have already made
over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS!  Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED.
Do not change it in any way.  It works exceedingly well as it is now.  Remember
to email a copy of this exciting program to everyone that you can think of.  One
of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on
every one of them!. Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential
customers you will reach.

So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and
opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!

THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not
require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all,
you never have to leave the house except to get the mail.  If you believe that
someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT!
Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true.  This multi-level
email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME.  Email is 
the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method
of advertising NOW!!  The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business
using email. 

GET YOUR PIECE OF THIS ACTION!!
MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability.  It is being
taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and The
Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and
services will be sold throughout Multi-level Methods by the mid to late 1990's.
This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the US,
 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover,
statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level
Marketing.

                          INSTRUCTIONS

This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity.
You do it privately in your own home, store or office.

This is the GREATEST Multi-level Mail Order Marketing anywhere:

Step (1 )Order all five 5 REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER.
        Do his by ordering the REPORT from each of the five 5 names 
        listed on the next page.  For each REPORT, send $5 CASH and 
        a SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED envelope(BUSINESS SIZE #10)
        to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT.  International orders
        should also include $1 extra for postage.It is essential that you
        specify the NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the
        person you are ordering from.  You will need ALL FIVE REPORTS
        because you will be REPRINTING and RESELLING them. DO NOT
        alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say.
        IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders.

Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours,   
        moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2.  Drop the name
        and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that
        was there to REPORT #4 and the one that was there to REPORT #5.
       The name and address that was under REPORT #5 is dropped from
        the list and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank.  When doing
        this, make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY!
        DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!!

Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a
        text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program
        you like.  Again, REPORT #3 & #5 will tell you the best methods of bulk 
        emailing and acquiring email lists.

Step (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is very important) to
        everyone whose address you can get your hands on.  Start with friends
        and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this
        fabulous money-making opportunity.  That's what I did.  And they love 
        me now, more than ever.  Then, email to anyone and everyone!  Use
        your imagination!  You can get email addresses from companies on the
        internet who specialize in email mailing lists. These are very cheap, 100,000
        addresses for around $35.00. IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response
        if you use an old list, so always request a FRESH, NEW list. You will find
        out where to purchase these lists when you order the five 5 REPORTS.

ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!!

REQUIRED REPORTS

***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME***

ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 CASH
FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER
___________________________________________________
REPORT #1
"HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES"

ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:

Dawn Scott
PO Box 462
Cordova, TN  38088-0462

____________________________________________________
REPORT #2
"MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES"

ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:

Jennifer Jaworski
122 Shore Rd. #2174
Port Washington, NY 11050

____________________________________________________
REPORT #3
"SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS"

ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:

Allen Sheridan
PO Box 765
Southaven, MS  38671

____________________________________________________
REPORT #4
"EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS"

ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:

Bret James
108 Windmill Cove
Georgetown, TX  78628

____________________________________________________
REPORT #5
"MASS EMAILING"

ORDER REPORT #5 FROM:

Mike Smith
230 Pine #93
Marion, AR  72364

___________________________________________________

CONCLUSION

I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program.
You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the
SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing.

To be financially independent is to be FREE.  Free to make 
financial decisions as never before.  Go into business, get into 
investments, retire or take a vacation.  No longer will a lack of 
money hold you back.

However, very few people reach financial independence, because
when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. Will YOU ignore
this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do
nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change.


PLEASE  Re-Read this material, this is a special opportunity.
If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender 
of this information.  You will get a prompt and informative reply.

My method is simple.  I sell thousands of people a product for $5 
that costs me pennies to produce and email.  I should also point out 
that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make 
money.  This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam.   At times you have 
probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith,
but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever!  Not only are
chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes
them quite unattractive.  You are offering a legitimate product to your
people.  After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more
and resell them.  It's simple free enterprise.  As you learned from the
enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of five 5 FINANCIAL AND
BUSINESS REPORTS.

You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will
be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program.  The concise
one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced
at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy.  Best wishes with
the program and Good Luck!

TIPS FOR SUCCESS

Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when 
the orders start coming in.  When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send
out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws.
Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT
OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED."

WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE:

1. Name your new company.  You can use your own name if you desire.

2. Get a post office box (preferred).

3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember,
    your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all
    move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list.

4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you
    receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3.

5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out.  The
    more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money
    you will make.

6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders.

7. Copy the five 5 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as
    soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE
    SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE!

8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible.

YOUR GUARANTEE

The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this:
You must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1.  This is a must!!!
If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do.
Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders
for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do.
Once you have received at least 100 or more orders for REPORT #2,
(take a deep breath) you can sit back and  relax.
Because  YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000 !!!
Mathematically it is a proven guarantee.  Of those who have participated
in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached
their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down
the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of
your program by knowing what people are ordering from you.
IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!!

REMEMBER:
"HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING."
"INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR
SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE."



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>From owner-9fans  Mon Aug 11 12:38:54 1997
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Subject: [9fans] CD-writer and Plan9
From: Henner Gratz 
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Hello everybody!

A while ago I dicovered the man-pages for pip, the CD-writer
workbench and I really like the idea to be able to make my
own CD-ROMs with Plan9. But as so often, it's not easy to
get the supported CD-writer anymore. So, is there anybody
who has a newer model in use? Please send my the CD-writer's
name and model-number?

BTW, how well does pip works? Is somebody working on a UDF
version of pip and - of course - on a UDF server?

Regards,

	Henner


>From owner-9fans  Mon Aug 11 12:39:03 1997
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Subject: [9fans] Problems with the authentication
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Hello again!

Since three week-ends I try to make an authentication server
from my vanilla-3 disc system Plan9 PC, but without success.

I've set-up my file-server, copied the CD-ROM contents to it
and did everything as described in the installation instructions.
The trouble began when I selected
	4. Make this PC a CPU or Authentication Server

I'm able to install the 9pccpu-kernel and to set the authID's
password. Even the re-boot of the CPU-server works fine, but
after I was asked for the authentication server's IP-address
the kernel panics and writes

	boot: #c/hostowner: bad arg in system call
        panic: boot process died: unknown

on the screen.

I know, that other Plan9-users have had the same problem, but
unfortunately I wasn't able to find a hint in my 9fans-archive
that solves the problem. The only thing I haven't done so far
is to apply the patches. Will this solve my problem, or
did I something wrong during the installation?

Please help me!

Thank you very much in advance.

Bye,

	Henner


>From owner-9fans  Thu Aug 14 14:05:24 1997
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Hi, 

I got a question about /srv/foo access permision. 

When you create a file onto /srv to post a fd, the modes 
you specify during the create are not relate to the modes
that are checked during open.
During the open the modes that are check are the modes
on the referenced channel, and it check only for OREAD/OWRITE.

This makes some sense for 9P connection to servers that
provides authentication but it's a problem if you want to
do something else. 

For example, it would be nice if I could post a fd for processes
running under the same uid to share. For example I could 
create the file with 600, so only processes with my
uid can read/write to it.

Will it brake something if I changed devsrv.c to check first for
permission on the file and then permission on the channel?

Most fd are posted 666 (/srv/nfsserver.chat uses 600) so
they shouldn't be affected????

Any comment would be appreciated?





>From owner-9fans  Thu Aug 14 21:38:13 1997
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It's clear that someone else had a similar idea.  Here's the
code for srvopen/create in our current plan9 (and brazil) sources:

Chan*
srvopen(Chan *c, int omode)
{
	int mode;
	Srv *sp;

	if(c->qid.path == CHDIR){
		if(omode != OREAD)
			error(Eisdir);
		c->mode = omode;
		c->flag |= COPEN;
		c->offset = 0;
		return c;
	}
	qlock(&srvlk);
	if(waserror()){
		qunlock(&srvlk);
		nexterror();
	}

	for(sp = srv; sp; sp = sp->link)
		if(sp->path == c->qid.path)
			break;

	if(sp == 0 || sp->chan == 0)
		error(Eshutdown);

	if(omode&OTRUNC)
		error(Eperm);
	if(omode!=sp->chan->mode && sp->chan->mode!=ORDWR)
		error(Eperm);

	if(strcmp(u->p->user, sp->owner) == 0)	/* User */
		mode = sp->perm;
	else if(strcmp(u->p->user, eve) == 0)	/* eve is group */
		mode = sp->perm<<3;
	else
		mode = sp->perm<<6;		/* Other */
	if((mode & 0600) != 0600)
		error(Eperm);

	close(c);
	incref(sp->chan);
	qunlock(&srvlk);
	poperror();
	return sp->chan;
}

void
srvcreate(Chan *c, char *name, int omode, ulong perm)
{
	Srv *sp;

	if(omode != OWRITE)
		error(Eperm);

	sp = malloc(sizeof(Srv));
	if(sp == 0)
		error(Enomem);

	qlock(&srvlk);
	if(waserror()){
		qunlock(&srvlk);
		nexterror();
	}
	sp->path = path++;
	sp->link = srv;
	c->qid.path = sp->path;
	srv = sp;
	qunlock(&srvlk);
	poperror();

	strncpy(sp->name, name, NAMELEN);
	strncpy(sp->owner, u->p->user, NAMELEN);
	sp->perm = perm&0777;

	c->flag |= COPEN;
	c->mode = OWRITE;
}

It saves and checks the create permissions though it does require
ORDWR on the channel and the open.

------ forwarded message follows ------

>From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Thu Aug 14 14:16:51 EDT 1997
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Hi, 

I got a question about /srv/foo access permision. 

When you create a file onto /srv to post a fd, the modes 
you specify during the create are not relate to the modes
that are checked during open.
During the open the modes that are check are the modes
on the referenced channel, and it check only for OREAD/OWRITE.

This makes some sense for 9P connection to servers that
provides authentication but it's a problem if you want to
do something else. 

For example, it would be nice if I could post a fd for processes
running under the same uid to share. For example I could 
create the file with 600, so only processes with my
uid can read/write to it.

Will it brake something if I changed devsrv.c to check first for
permission on the file and then permission on the channel?

Most fd are posted 666 (/srv/nfsserver.chat uses 600) so
they shouldn't be affected????

Any comment would be appreciated?





>From owner-9fans  Fri Aug 15 00:02:25 1997
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The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month.
It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq

The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url
http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html


>From owner-9fans  Fri Aug 15 13:43:55 1997
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The synchronous copy everything model in plan9 might be extended for
performance reasons to include such primitives as asynchronous i/o and
pre-formatted vector read/write operations.  Has any thought been given
in the plan9 community as to a generic interface for asynchronous i/o?
Although it is trivial to implement efficient asynchronous i/o in a particular
driver perhaps it would be best to have a generic interface for all i/o,
including communications and scsi subsystems.  Some measurements indicate
that utilizing light weight processes for achieving asynchronous behavior
may not have the desired performance characteristics.

Has Brazil (or any future development) at Lucent given any thought to this
matter?  Your insights and suggestions are most welcome.
danc
Dan L. Clark       dlc@ncube.com    503/531-6432
nCUBE, 1825 NW 167th Place, Beaverton, OR  97006


>From owner-9fans  Fri Aug 15 13:58:00 1997
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I have an Adaptec 1542CP controller that doesn't work with
the fileserver (9pcfs).  It seems to work OK with the
cpu server.  I see that their are some modifications to the
driver for the cpu server that haven't been made to 9pcfs.

Has anyone already fixed this problem?
(I thought I'd asked before I dive in)

Thanks,
Tom Bohannon
Cisco Systems, Inc.

>From owner-9fans  Fri Aug 15 14:27:54 1997
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>>Has Brazil (or any future development) at Lucent given any thought to this
>>matter?  Your insights and suggestions are most welcome.

BSD style readv/writev are arguably just optimisations (although they
usually boil down to a copy inside the kernel), and thus cause no
serious reasoning problems.  asynchronous i/o, like signals/notes and
those unbelievable `call back' functions, reintroduce the Interrupt,
which is bad for reasoning and certainly for the morale of subsequent
maintainers of an application.  i'd put my effort into improving the
efficiency of what is there, rather than going back to un-reasonable hacks.

it might be of interest that in Limbo/Inferno one can do something like:

input(c: chan of array of byte)
{
	for(;;){
		a := array [N] of byte;
		n := sys->read(fd, a, len a);
		if(n <= 0){
			c <-= nil;
			break;
		}
		c <-= a[0:n];	# slice to n bytes
	}
}

and some other process can do

	c := chan of array of byte;
	spawn input(c);
	while((a := <-c) != nil)
		dosomethingwith(a);

or pass a along another channel to another process, and so on,
the point being that transmission is by reference (you can get
your garbage collector to help you with this one).

Sys->file2chan is even cooler: it eliminates copying between the system
and the file server, though not between system and file client, because
that isn't safe.

>From owner-9fans  Fri Aug 15 15:23:20 1997
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Hi,

I'd like to move exportfs into the kernel, similar
to what inferno is doing with sys->export(fd,flags). 

Did exportfs migrate into the kernel in Brazil ( or current Plan9)?

Is there any code I could use as a starting point for this work.

Thanks

>From owner-9fans  Fri Aug 15 16:20:09 1997
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Can I use Plan9 with a two-button mouse?

Can I increasing the video resolution?

Can I use Plan9 with a NE2000 at PCI bus?

There exists a File Server running at a standard PC with IDE?

Can a CPU Server exports files to a Terminal, that is, a CPU Server playing
the role a File Server?

Thanks.

Franklin.


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>>including communications and scsi subsystems.  Some measurements indicate

i made a few changes quite some time ago to encourage more concurrency of i/o
inside the scsi interface in the cpu/terminal kernel.  those changes help, but no doubt
much more could be done.  my scsi tape began to stream well and that was all i needed!

>From owner-9fans  Sat Aug 16 04:13:16 1997
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> I have an Adaptec 1542CP controller that doesn't work with
> the fileserver (9pcfs).  It seems to work OK with the
> cpu server.  I see that their are some modifications to the
> driver for the cpu server that haven't been made to 9pcfs.
> 
> Has anyone already fixed this problem?
> (I thought I'd asked before I dive in)
> 
Yep, I had a hard time of figuring it out.  The "mailbox" needs
unlocking and the code for it seems not to have made it to the
PCFS kernel.

Easiest might be to give you a copy of my kernel, which is presently
working, alternatively, you can browse my correspondence with 9fans
to pick up how to fix it.

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Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.alt.za)
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>From owner-9fans  Sat Aug 16 04:20:05 1997
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> Yep, I had a hard time of figuring it out.  The "mailbox" needs
> unlocking and the code for it seems not to have made it to the
> PCFS kernel.
> 
Oops, caught by the "Reply-to:" feature of the 9fans mailing list :-(
I do wish it were turned off.
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>From owner-9fans  Mon Aug 18 21:05:21 1997
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I just got a 1600x1200x8 monitor and my
video card (mach64) and aux/vga do not
get together well :-(.

Which video card has been proved with 1600x1200x8 
monitors?

Thanks


>From owner-9fans  Mon Aug 18 23:35:15 1997
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	Which video card has been proved with 1600x1200x8 
	monitors?

The following PCI cards should be in the aux/vga you have, they all use the
IBM RGB524 RAMDAC
	STB Velocity 64 Video
	#9FX Motion 771
	Stealth 64 Video 3000
as is the VLB card
	#9GXE Level-16
Unfortunately, it's not likely any of these are made any more.

I recently did support for cards with the S3 ViRGE series chips. Anything with
a ViRGE/VX will do 1600x1200x8, such as the
	Diamond Stealth 3D 3000
	STB Velocity 3D
I have a Viewsonic P815 monitor which will do 1800x1440x8 and these cards should be
able to do that too, but there's some wraparound problem if you take them over 1600x1200
which I don't understand (unless the chips just don't allow it).

I suppose I could do a boddle for the current aux/vga, but I've no way to test
operation on Plan9 or many of the older cards at all.

>From owner-9fans  Tue Aug 19 00:20:54 1997
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i've put up a boddle on the web site. no guarantees.
remember to change the error file name in mkfile.
the latest item to do with the cirrus chips is unfinished.

>From owner-9fans  Tue Aug 19 22:55:02 1997
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I bet you can still find the 9FX Motion 771.  I just bought mine around
March or so at CompUSA or some other generic place like that.  They're
really nice cards all in all...

Brandon

On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:

> 	Which video card has been proved with 1600x1200x8 
> 	monitors?
> 
> The following PCI cards should be in the aux/vga you have, they all use the
> IBM RGB524 RAMDAC
> 	STB Velocity 64 Video
> 	#9FX Motion 771
> 	Stealth 64 Video 3000
> as is the VLB card
> 	#9GXE Level-16
> Unfortunately, it's not likely any of these are made any more.
> 
> I recently did support for cards with the S3 ViRGE series chips. Anything with
> a ViRGE/VX will do 1600x1200x8, such as the
> 	Diamond Stealth 3D 3000
> 	STB Velocity 3D
> I have a Viewsonic P815 monitor which will do 1800x1440x8 and these cards should be
> able to do that too, but there's some wraparound problem if you take them over 1600x1200
> which I don't understand (unless the chips just don't allow it).
> 
> I suppose I could do a boddle for the current aux/vga, but I've no way to test
> operation on Plan9 or many of the older cards at all.
> 


>From owner-9fans  Sun Aug 24 13:37:54 1997
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>From owner-9fans  Mon Aug 25 17:47:28 1997
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Michel Oosterhof wrote:
> cwr@cts.COM (Will Rose) writes:
> >Michel Oosterhof (kirth@cal044204.student.utwente.NL) wrote:
> >: Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9?
> >: Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
> >: plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?

I run Plan 9 at home.  The company I work for uses Plan 9.  `'
I think we're the only one ;-)

> >Me.  And I don't think I've seen a post in this group for the last
> >3-4 months - I assumed the distribution was screwed.

Well, it used to be bidirectionally gatewayed with the 9fans list;
I don't think this is happening any more.  I'm cc-ing this to 9fans
for comment/elucidation.

> 9wm is a clone of 8 1/2, and runs on linux too, I'm using it at the
> moment. (1.2pre version).

I guess I should do another release of 9wm one of these days.  It's
been ``1.2pre'' for over a year now ;-)  I guess I should just say,
well, that _was_ 1.2, and here's 1.3.  Though, there aren't that
many changes that I've made -- a few bug fixes.  Might be time for
a ``maintenance release''.  I'm such a procrastinator...

>From owner-9fans  Mon Aug 25 17:56:40 1997
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David Hogan  writes:
| Well, it used to be bidirectionally gatewayed with the 9fans list;
| I don't think this is happening any more.  I'm cc-ing this to 9fans
| for comment/elucidation.

It's still gatewayed; Icarus is moderating it very strictly.  Given
that usenet has turned into a breeding ground for spam, I like that.
I'm much happier with the idea of just using the mailing list, in
fact.


>From owner-9fans  Mon Aug 25 18:43:48 1997
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> | Well, it used to be bidirectionally gatewayed with the 9fans list;
> | I don't think this is happening any more.  I'm cc-ing this to 9fans
> | for comment/elucidation.

> It's still gatewayed; Icarus is moderating it very strictly.  Given
> that usenet has turned into a breeding ground for spam, I like that.
> I'm much happier with the idea of just using the mailing list, in
> fact.

Ok.  It's just that I haven't seen very much 9fans mail in the newsgroup
(possibly a problem with the server I read news from).  I thought that
we might have switched to unidirectional gatewaying...

I think I prefer the list too.  I only check the newsgroup every now and
then, to see if there's anything there...

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> I'm much happier with the idea of just using the mailing list, in
> fact.

Right said -- me too!

>From owner-9fans  Tue Aug 26 14:42:30 1997
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On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, David Hogan wrote:

> Michel Oosterhof wrote:
> > cwr@cts.COM (Will Rose) writes:
> > >Michel Oosterhof (kirth@cal044204.student.utwente.NL) wrote:
> > >: Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9?
> > >: Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
> > >: plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?
> 
> I run Plan 9 at home.  The company I work for uses Plan 9.  `'
> I think we're the only one ;-)
> 
> > >Me.  And I don't think I've seen a post in this group for the last
> > >3-4 months - I assumed the distribution was screwed.
> 
> Well, it used to be bidirectionally gatewayed with the 9fans list;
> I don't think this is happening any more.  I'm cc-ing this to 9fans
> for comment/elucidation.
> 
> > 9wm is a clone of 8 1/2, and runs on linux too, I'm using it at the
> > moment. (1.2pre version).
> 
> I guess I should do another release of 9wm one of these days.  It's
> been ``1.2pre'' for over a year now ;-)  I guess I should just say,
> well, that _was_ 1.2, and here's 1.3.  Though, there aren't that
> many changes that I've made -- a few bug fixes.  Might be time for
> a ``maintenance release''.  I'm such a procrastinator...
> 

It really irks me a little that so many people want *nix ports of Plan 9's
window manager, or editor, etc... but nobody wants to take the really
great ideas.  WHy won't somebody take things like the namespacing stuff,
the 9P and IL protocols, the fileserver/cpuserver/terminal concepts... all
the good "internals" of Plan 9 and make an effort to bring those ideas
into modern freeware *nix clones.  Merge it into Linux, or NetBSD, or
HURD....   That would be a much more worthwhile effort.

Brandon


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At 01:41 PM 8/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, David Hogan wrote:
>
>> Michel Oosterhof wrote:
>> > cwr@cts.COM (Will Rose) writes:
>> > >Michel Oosterhof (kirth@cal044204.student.utwente.NL) wrote:
>> > >: Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9?
>> > >: Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
>> > >: plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?
>> 
>> I run Plan 9 at home.  The company I work for uses Plan 9.  `'
>> I think we're the only one ;-)
>> 
>> > >Me.  And I don't think I've seen a post in this group for the last
>> > >3-4 months - I assumed the distribution was screwed.
>> 
>> Well, it used to be bidirectionally gatewayed with the 9fans list;
>> I don't think this is happening any more.  I'm cc-ing this to 9fans
>> for comment/elucidation.
>> 
>> > 9wm is a clone of 8 1/2, and runs on linux too, I'm using it at the
>> > moment. (1.2pre version).
>> 
>> I guess I should do another release of 9wm one of these days.  It's
>> been ``1.2pre'' for over a year now ;-)  I guess I should just say,
>> well, that _was_ 1.2, and here's 1.3.  Though, there aren't that
>> many changes that I've made -- a few bug fixes.  Might be time for
>> a ``maintenance release''.  I'm such a procrastinator...
>> 
>
>It really irks me a little that so many people want *nix ports of Plan 9's
>window manager, or editor, etc... but nobody wants to take the really
>great ideas.  WHy won't somebody take things like the namespacing stuff,
>the 9P and IL protocols, the fileserver/cpuserver/terminal concepts... all
>the good "internals" of Plan 9 and make an effort to bring those ideas
>into modern freeware *nix clones.  Merge it into Linux, or NetBSD, or
>HURD....   That would be a much more worthwhile effort.
>

No one does it, perhaps for the same reasons that compelled the Labs folk to
start with a clean slate.

>Brandon
>
>


>From owner-9fans  Wed Aug 27 00:17:36 1997
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    It really irks me a little that so many people want *nix ports of Plan 9's
    window manager, or editor, etc... but nobody wants to take the really
    great ideas.  WHy won't somebody take things like the namespacing stuff,
    the 9P and IL protocols, the fileserver/cpuserver/terminal concepts... all
    the good "internals" of Plan 9 and make an effort to bring those ideas
    into modern freeware *nix clones.  Merge it into Linux, or NetBSD, or
    HURD....   That would be a much more worthwhile effort.

I'm guessing its a "bang for the buck" thing.  The effort/return
ratio seems much higher for grabbing (for example) the per-process
namespace.  Especially when there's a good chance that your submitted
changes would be rejected.

I can limp along without the internals, but life's too unpleasant
without something like acme.



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> WHy won't somebody take things like the namespacing stuff,
> the 9P and IL protocols, the fileserver/cpuserver/terminal concepts... all
> the good "internals" of Plan 9 and make an effort to bring those ideas
> into modern freeware *nix clones.

Lots of reasons come to mind...

It's harder. Writing system-level code is almost always harder than
writing an application in the warm, fuzzy environment that the OS
provides. Especially if you've got to make a radical change to the
nature of a core system service, such as the namespace.

It's not just a question of adding a "thing" in isolation. How useful
would per-process namespaces be in Plan 9, if every single application
assumed the namespace was global? Some use, sure, but not nearly as
much.

9P and IL are ok, providing there're other machines to talk them
to, and IL in itself doesn't add any value at all apart from performance.
TCP *could* have been used, with modifications to the handlers, but IL
does the job better. Few sites would be willing to put their main filestores
onto machines with a hacked-up kernel, so that they can talk 9P when
NFS is doing the job for them.

Most compelling: someone's already done the job. There's a lot of effort
involved in shoe-horning this lot into *nix. Given the cost of the real
thing, it makes far more sense to just go out and buy it.

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    From: Brandon Black 

    It really irks me a little that so many people want *nix ports of Plan 9's
    window manager, or editor, etc... but nobody wants to take the really
    great ideas.  WHy won't somebody take things like the namespacing stuff,
    the 9P and IL protocols, the fileserver/cpuserver/terminal concepts...

i would have loved to have put 9p into ultrix several years ago, but
decided that it was just not worth the pain.  anyone who's keen on
retrofitting cool stuff into modern unix kernels either a) hasn't seen
one, b) doesn't understand the problem, or c) has too much time on
their hands (cue denis leary).  maybe all three.

btw:  i class that ghastly mess, known as linux, as a 'modern unix kernel'.
      you may have the code to it, but have you actually read it?

bbtw: ultrix supported nfs mounts by mortals, so i decided to implement
      ftpfs with nfs.  it just wasn't worth the effort.  i wound up with
      a sort of neat toy, but useless.  i spent several weeks on it, much
      of it wasted trying to understand why nfs did what it did, trying
      to turn it into some sort of reliable tool.  i was no stranger to
      nfs, having ported it back in '86.  but how it actually behaved
      was pretty sad.

>From owner-9fans  Wed Aug 27 10:24:37 1997
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i've added the following to CHANGES.txt on the web site:

	23-Aug-97 9/contrib/dpt
	=======================
	This is a pci only driver for the DPT PM3334UW SmartRAID IV Ultra adapter.
	It is a basic driver and does not use any of the advance features of the card.

	The 9/pc & boot/pc drivers have been tested, but the fs/pc driver has not.

	Thanks to
		John L. Chmielewski, jlc@att.com

i don't have any of these but would be interested i hearing how it works out.

after the last cycle of "why isn't there an adaptec driver?" a couple of months ago
has anyone made any progress?

--jim

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Yes. I have got as far as configuring the card and loading the
microcode. This is not as simple as it sounds. The chip is such an ugly
device compared to the NCR it's going to take time. At least the FreeBSD
guys are very helpful.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com [SMTP:jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com]
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>
>i've added the following to CHANGES.txt on the web site:
>
>	23-Aug-97 9/contrib/dpt
>	=======================
>	This is a pci only driver for the DPT PM3334UW SmartRAID IV Ultra adapter.
>	It is a basic driver and does not use any of the advance features of the
>card.
>
>	The 9/pc & boot/pc drivers have been tested, but the fs/pc driver has not.
>
>	Thanks to
>		John L. Chmielewski, jlc@att.com
>
>i don't have any of these but would be interested i hearing how it works out.
>
>after the last cycle of "why isn't there an adaptec driver?" a couple of
>months ago
>has anyone made any progress?
>
>--jim

>From owner-9fans  Wed Aug 27 15:06:24 1997
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Nigel Roles (in response to jmk's question about the adaptec driver):
> Yes. I have got as far as configuring the card and loading the
> microcode. This is not as simple as it sounds. The chip is such an ugly
> device compared to the NCR it's going to take time. At least the FreeBSD
> guys are very helpful.

Well, that's more than I've done :-)  I was planning on making a start on
it soon (not realizing that Nigel had done so much), but I keep getting
sidetracked by other things.  At the moment I'm playing with a Miro PC TV
tuner/capture card (Bt848-based).  I've got this thing DMA-ing images
straight into my frame buffer :-)

Well, I'm available for beta testing, debugging and code review :-)

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>Brandon Black  wrote:
>It really irks me a little that so many people want *nix ports of Plan 9's
>window manager, or editor, etc... but nobody wants to take the really
>great ideas.  WHy won't somebody take things like the namespacing stuff,
>the 9P and IL protocols, the fileserver/cpuserver/terminal concepts... all
>the good "internals" of Plan 9 and make an effort to bring those ideas
>into modern freeware *nix clones.  Merge it into Linux, or NetBSD, or
>HURD....   That would be a much more worthwhile effort.

Per-process name spaces and setuid root programs see like a
ripe place for problems.  Seems like you would need to fall back to a
default system namespace for these programs, and that would probably
be irksome.  I think there would be sufficient cases where the global
namespace assumption would cause problems grafting in a per-process
name space.

Then there are things like sharable environment variables.

Sm
underlying

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Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9? 
Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?

michel
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Michel Oosterhof (kirth@cal044204.student.utwente.NL) wrote:
: Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9? 
: Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
: plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?

Me.  And I don't think I've seen a post in this group for the last
3-4 months - I assumed the distribution was screwed.

I think there's an rc port in the Linux distribution, but I don't
know about the other stuff.


Will
cwr@crash.cts.com

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> Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9? 
> Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
> plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?

The Unix version of rc is a reimplementation, by Byron Rakzitis, not a
port of the Plan 9 code.  (Unlike sam, for example.)

I'm maintaining rc now.  The latest beta is available from the rc FTP
archive, and also from here.

    ftp://ftp.pipex.net/people/tim/rc-1.5b2.tar.gz

The rc mailing list is .

Tim.

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Scott Schwartz (schwartz@finch.CSe.psu.EDU) wrote:
: David Hogan  writes:
: | Well, it used to be bidirectionally gatewayed with the 9fans list;
: | I don't think this is happening any more.  I'm cc-ing this to 9fans
: | for comment/elucidation.

: It's still gatewayed; Icarus is moderating it very strictly.  Given
: that usenet has turned into a breeding ground for spam, I like that.
: I'm much happier with the idea of just using the mailing list, in
: fact.


My local ISP clears spam out pretty thoroughly, so I rarely see
it any more in the comp.* groups.  UCE, tho', is still widespread...
so I prefer not to use mailing lists.

Will
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photon@nol.NET (Brandon Black) writes:

[snip]

>It really irks me a little that so many people want *nix ports of Plan 9's
>window manager, or editor, etc... but nobody wants to take the really
>great ideas.  WHy won't somebody take things like the namespacing stuff,
>the 9P and IL protocols, the fileserver/cpuserver/terminal concepts... all
>the good "internals" of Plan 9 and make an effort to bring those ideas
>into modern freeware *nix clones.  Merge it into Linux, or NetBSD, or
>HURD....   That would be a much more worthwhile effort.

Of course that would be much better then just porting the interface. Only
is it possible? Bell Labs started with a new OS, they didn't just adapt
UNIX to use these new paradigms. From what I've read about Plan9, it'd not
be easy to add these things to unix, as fundamental changes have to be
made.

michel
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In article <5tkamp$5aa@dinkel.civ.utwente.nl>,
kirth@cal044204.student.utwente.NL (Michel Oosterhof) wrote:

...deleted
 
> 9wm is a clone of 8 1/2, and runs on linux too, I'm using it at the
> moment. (1.2pre version). There's also 9term, an `xterm' window that

This is only partly true (AFAIK). 9wm is an X-Windows window manager that
looks/behaves like the (builtin) window manager in 8 1/2. There has been
mentionings of actually replacing all of X, but I have not heard about any
success yet.

Finally, do not forget 9menu. Not from Plan9, but a nice helper for 9wm.

-- 
Best Wishes, Bengt

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cwr@cts.COM (Will Rose) writes:

>Michel Oosterhof (kirth@cal044204.student.utwente.NL) wrote:
>: Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9? 
>: Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
>: plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?

>Me.  And I don't think I've seen a post in this group for the last
>3-4 months - I assumed the distribution was screwed.

>I think there's an rc port in the Linux distribution, but I don't
>know about the other stuff.

There's an rc port for linux yes. Well, it just run on linux. didn't
need a port. I'm currently using it as a shell, but there are still
a few bugs. pressing ctrl-c twice while compiling something with gcc
logs me out. The 'w' or 'who' command only shows '-rc' and not the
current program you're running, etc. But rc still is a very useful \
shell, it's small, and runs extremely fast.

9wm is a clone of 8 1/2, and runs on linux too, I'm using it at the
moment. (1.2pre version). There's also 9term, an `xterm' window that
resembles the plan9 windows. Further more, 'sam' exists for unix, and
wily, a copy of acme.

michel
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Michel Oosterhof (kirth@cal044204.student.utwente.NL) wrote:
: Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9? 
: Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
: plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?

Yes. Me.

-- 
	David Pick

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cwr@cts.COM (Will Rose) writes:

>Michel Oosterhof (kirth@cal044204.student.utwente.NL) wrote:
>: Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9? 

Yes, but not as my main system.

>: Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
>: plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?

I still work on Wily, the Acme ((mostly) work-alike)).
--
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> Hello, to whoever might read this.  Is anyone still running plan9? 
> Further more, is someone still working on the UNIX ports of several
> plan9 utilities? (the rc shell, the 9wm (8 1/2) window manager, etc?

Well, I finally finished my Ph.D. and have dug out the 9term sources
again.  Mind you, I have a TODO list a mile long from the backlog
while it was on the shelf.  I hope to get into it again but it will
take a bit to get organised.

					Matty.

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    From: Tim Goodwin 

    The Unix version of rc is a reimplementation, by Byron Rakzitis, not a
    port of the Plan 9 code.  (Unlike sam, for example.)

fine piece of work too.

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> There's an rc port for linux yes. Well, it just run on linux. didn't
> need a port.

Actually, it's a reimplementation, not a port, and the same one
runs on various Unixes, not just Linux.

> 9wm is a clone of 8 1/2,

More correctly, it's an X window manager that presents a similar
look'n'feel to 8½'s GUI, which is only half the story of 8½ (if
that much). It doesn't provide the wondrous filesystem-based
interface that makes 8½ so cool, and it doesn't provide the window
system as a whole, which X does.

I wondered at one point what it would be like to try to kludge a
fifo-based window system onto UNIX, so that there was a process
that scribbled on the screen, serving a pipe to the window system,
which served pipes to its clients...never bothered with it, though.
Too many applications to write, and I couldn't find any believable
docs on how to use Sun's framebuffers. Didn't look that hard, mind.

I *did* bodge a pipe into 9wm (and 9term), though. You could
hide/open/resize/move windows using shell commands, and I got a fair
way along writing a virtual window manager in the es shell. Pretty
bizarre, and testing it convinced me that I didn't actually want
to use it in real life...

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jmk's aux/vga changes worked fine on Plan 9 with my new
Diamond Stealth 3D 3400.

>From owner-9fans  Thu Aug 28 15:40:29 1997
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In <199708281927.PAA19373@cse.psu.edu>
 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk wrote:

> jmk's aux/vga changes worked fine on Plan 9 with my new
> Diamond Stealth 3D 3400.
> 

At which resolution did you test it?

>From owner-9fans  Thu Aug 28 16:25:59 1997
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From: David Hogan 
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 06:16:48 +1000
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Any possibility of making the 9fans archives after 1994 available
for anonymous ftp?  Accessing all them files by mailing requests
is really ugly.

There used to be a WWW/hypermail(?) interface to (a subset of) the
archives... what happened to this?

Finally, if anyone has a copy of Rob's editor joke (which I believe
was posted to the list some time ago) I would appreciate a copy.

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>>> Diamond Stealth 3D 3400.
>>At which resolution did you test it?

640x480x1
1024x768x8
1152x900x8 (the one i'm using now)
1280x1024x8

one of the 640x480 modes did give odd results, come
to think of it; i think it was 640x480x8.  i don't know that i've
got the vgadb entries for much more than 1280x1024,
and that's compact enough on a 17" monitor.
i might try 1600x1400x8 tomorrow.

i use this vgadb entry with monitor=multisync135 (it's a Viewsonic PT775, and
quite nice too).

ctlr
	0xC0043="Stealth 3D 3000"		# Diamond Stealth 3D 3000/3400
	link=vga
	hwgc=s3hwgc
	ctlr=virge link=ibm8514 linear=1

you must have a version of /sys/src/9/pc/vgas3.c that does
the right thing to find the hardware cursor storage in linear mode but
i think that's part of another boddle.  if you haven't got that (yet),
remove linear=1.

other lines that are used for 1152x900x8 are

include = 1152x900@70Hz						# 72Hz, 67.9KHz
	clock=100
	shb=1184 ehb=1376 ht=1472
	vrs=900 vre=902 vt=940
	#hsync=- vsync=-

	...

multisync135 = 1152x900x8
	include=1152x900@70Hz
multisync135
	alias=multisync75


>From owner-9fans  Thu Aug 28 17:01:05 1997
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David Hogan  writes:
| Any possibility of making the 9fans archives after 1994 available
| for anonymous ftp?  Accessing all them files by mailing requests
| is really ugly.

The problem is that majordomo dumps the archives in some secret place
known only to itself.  Straightening that out requires negotiating with
the local sysadmins.  I'll talk to them about it and report back.


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since if forgot to include it with the aux/vga changes, here's
the entry for the virge cards i've seen

ctlr
	0xC0043="Stealth 3D 2000 Vers. 1.04"		# Diamond Stealth 3D 2000
	0xC0048="Stealth 3D 2000 Vers. 2.03"
	0xC0043="Stealth 3D 3000 Vers. 1.01"		# Diamond Stealth 3D 3000
	0xC0043="Stealth 3D 3000 Vers. 2.02"		# Diamond Stealth 3D 3000
	0xC0044="STB Velocity 3D BIOS. Version 1.10"	# STB Velocity 3D
	link=vga
	hwgc=s3hwgc
	ctlr=virge linear=1

>From owner-9fans  Thu Aug 28 17:18:47 1997
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> There used to be a WWW/hypermail(?) interface to (a subset of) the
> archives... what happened to this?
It used to be at http://plan9.wtf.nyc.ny.us/ but the plan9
pages are gone.

> Finally, if anyone has a copy of Rob's editor joke (which I believe
> was posted to the list some time ago) I would appreciate a copy.

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here's my opening joke from the editor panel, which i made up in real time
as i approached the podium, upon realizing i didn't have an opening joke.

three programmers go into a bar.

the sam user is there because he's finished the day's work and wants to relax.
the vi user is there because he's going to be working all night and needs a break.
the emacs user is there because there's nothing else he can do: both his hands
are in splints because of carpal tunnel syndrome.


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>>the emacs user is there because there's nothing else he can do: both his hands
>>are in splints because of carpal tunnel syndrome.

some of us in York call the emacs user interface the `Richard the Third interface'
for just the same reason, and because it accurately reflects
the posture required whilst using it.

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>the emacs user is there because there's nothing else he can do: both his hands
>are in splints because of carpal tunnel syndrome.

hey! not funny. once upon a time, in my infinite stupidity, or
maybe to prove that i was just as masochistic as the rest of them,
i used emacs --- until god punished me with "emacs pinkies" 
(tendonitis to all you tennis players) for my sins. this was long
before sam, and lacking better options (i think that pi was the
only other contender), i switched to vi. that is, i traded sore
wrists for lots of extranious "i"s floating about my text.

erik

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# jch@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick) writes:
# >
# >Emacs is the solution to every problem....
# 
# Such as the perennial "I can use my hands, is there any way for
# me to cripple myself so badly that someone else has to feed me?"

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From: Brandon Black 
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In response yo this all the other responses that went like "Much too
difficult, you must not have looked at this before", I have looked.  It
would be very painful.  Implementing per-process namespace would only be a
third of the work, compared to hacking the rest of the system to make it
continue to work (like the security example).  You'd have to change the
whole security paradigm.

However, I disagree about the effort/benefit ratio.  I see every day in
our Unix development environment where I work how much benefit we would
gain if our commercial unices had per-process inherited namespaces.  If
you develop C/C++ in a multi-platform unix environment.. and use all of
the GNu tools, and DejaGNu testing suite, and database clients, and
syb/ora-tcl, and perl, and RogueWave, and the list goes one..... And
different projects (sharing generic development boxes) want to use
different versions of all these tools, and might be compiling to different
targets.... And throw in the use of IRMS as an intelligent source code
repository that knows about your tools and generates your makefiles, and
runs your nightly builds and tests....

In this situation.. everything we do is a major hack, and it would all be
clean and perfect if we had Plan9's namespacing to work with.

Brandon

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Boyd Roberts wrote:

>     From: Brandon Black 
> 
>     It really irks me a little that so many people want *nix ports of Plan 9's
>     window manager, or editor, etc... but nobody wants to take the really
>     great ideas.  WHy won't somebody take things like the namespacing stuff,
>     the 9P and IL protocols, the fileserver/cpuserver/terminal concepts...
> 
> i would have loved to have put 9p into ultrix several years ago, but
> decided that it was just not worth the pain.  anyone who's keen on
> retrofitting cool stuff into modern unix kernels either a) hasn't seen
> one, b) doesn't understand the problem, or c) has too much time on
> their hands (cue denis leary).  maybe all three.
> 
> btw:  i class that ghastly mess, known as linux, as a 'modern unix kernel'.
>       you may have the code to it, but have you actually read it?
> 
> bbtw: ultrix supported nfs mounts by mortals, so i decided to implement
>       ftpfs with nfs.  it just wasn't worth the effort.  i wound up with
>       a sort of neat toy, but useless.  i spent several weeks on it, much
>       of it wasted trying to understand why nfs did what it did, trying
>       to turn it into some sort of reliable tool.  i was no stranger to
>       nfs, having ported it back in '86.  but how it actually behaved
>       was pretty sad.
> 


>From owner-9fans  Fri Aug 29 11:50:32 1997
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Brandon Black  writes:
| In response yo this all the other responses that went like "Much too
| difficult, you must not have looked at this before", I have looked.  It
| would be very painful.  Implementing per-process namespace would only be a
| third of the work, compared to hacking the rest of the system to make it
| continue to work (like the security example).  You'd have to change the
| whole security paradigm.

Doesn't QNX have a lot of the functionality of Plan 9?  [Unlike some
people, they don't have manpages on the web so I can't check. :)] I
guess it really helps if posix is an optional subsystem.


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i think good ideas have some inertia, but not always enough; [this is a sore
point with mac people :] a few talks here and there and an article or two is
not enough to inject plan9 ideas into the mainstream. moreover, linux people
are content with their sand box [david tilbrook calls this "the tyranny of
adequacy"], and hurd has yet to work through the features of the
incompatible time sharing system, never mind p9. [heh heh]




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[This message has also been posted.]
On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:22:33 GMT, quanstro@infomkt.ibm.COM
 wrote:
>>the emacs user is there because there's nothing else he can do: both his
>>hands are in splints because of carpal tunnel syndrome.
>
>hey! not funny. once upon a time, in my infinite stupidity, or maybe to
>prove that i was just as masochistic as the rest of them, i used emacs ---
>until god punished me with "emacs pinkies" (tendonitis to all you tennis
>players) for my sins. this was long before sam, and lacking better options
>(i think that pi was the only other contender), i switched to vi. that is,
>i traded sore wrists for lots of extranious "i"s floating about my text.

Perhaps if emacs had foot pedals it wouldn't be so painful to use.

-Clint

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:23:25 -0700
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From: "Fariborz \"Skip\" Tavakkolian" 
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Are you thinking foot pedal or movable foot-attachment-thingy? What would
you call it?  The POSSUM? Hum... Microsoft possum... Logitech possum...

A Possum protocol!?

At 01:58 PM 8/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
>[This message has also been posted.]
>On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:22:33 GMT, quanstro@infomkt.ibm.COM
> wrote:
>>>the emacs user is there because there's nothing else he can do: both his
>>>hands are in splints because of carpal tunnel syndrome.
>>
>>hey! not funny. once upon a time, in my infinite stupidity, or maybe to
>>prove that i was just as masochistic as the rest of them, i used emacs ---
>>until god punished me with "emacs pinkies" (tendonitis to all you tennis
>>players) for my sins. this was long before sam, and lacking better options
>>(i think that pi was the only other contender), i switched to vi. that is,
>>i traded sore wrists for lots of extranious "i"s floating about my text.
>
>Perhaps if emacs had foot pedals it wouldn't be so painful to use.
>
>-Clint
>
>


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Have you ever noticed that when you are bigger than usual, people look at you when you eat?  It seems that what they want to tell you is "You wouldn't be this big if you didn't eat all this stuff!"

Hi, my name is Ed.  I am a real person who lives in Palm Springs, CA.  And until a year ago I was the fat guy that everybody was looking at. Believe me, I had no life!  I didn't go out, I couldn't shop at regular stores (well, for shoes may be), I was too embarassed to go to the pool when there were people around.  Hey, if you are one of the 80% percent of Americans who are overweight, you know how I felt!  But I wasn't simply overweight, I was fat!  My height is 5'9" and I weighed 290 lbs! 

Over 2-3 years I tried miriads of different diets.  Guess what, they did not work!  I would even try to starve myself, but I just didn't have the guts to do it for more than one day.

Then I turned for help to the doctor, this was the last resort!  To myself I was thinking "If the doctor doesn't help, nobody will.  I'll just eat till my heart stops!"  Well, guess what he did?  He prescribed Phen-Fen!  Have you listened to the news lately?!  Need I say more?

And then a miracle happened!  My uncle (who is a businessman and travels a lot) said he had one thing that could save my life.  Believe me, I wasn't very optimistic.  But when I looked through it I said to myself "Hey, I can do this and what do I have to lose except for a 100 lbs"  That was the only thing that did not require strenuous physical activities, chemicals or herbs, or any exotic food supplements - I could get anything I needed from the store!  Sounds too good to be true?  It did to me!

To make the story short, I lost 8 lbs in my first week, and have been loosing weight ever since!  Later I found out, that this program (not a diet!) is used by hospitals worldwide for patients with heart condition.  Those folks can not wait for a year to lose 10 lbs, they need to be in the operation room as soon as possible, 20-30 lbs thinner.

Today I decided to bring you this extraordinary opportunity.  With minimal effort and minimal investment you can change your life forever! Ask yourself one question, "Am I worth it?", and if the answer is "yes", take the action.  Do it for yourselves and your loved ones!  I'm sure glad I did!

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VIK Enterprises, Dept 101
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> 
> Are you thinking foot pedal or movable foot-attachment-thingy? What would
> you call it?  The POSSUM? Hum... Microsoft possum... Logitech possum...
> 
> A Possum protocol!?

:-) :-)

I hope some day there will be reliable EMT-devices, i.e.
"Eye Movement Trackers".  Why use my hands -- or feet --
to move a "pointer" over something I'm already looking at?
(Of course, such a EMT-device had to work from remote, I
don't want to wear special hardware on my head.)  Then
throw in speech recognition and we would have really new,
cool ways to interact with a computer ...